Aye, and they may be romantically interested, right up till I tell them I can't have sex, then they vanish.

It's like you guys... You go on a dating site, find a nice lassie, chat to them for a bit, everything goes well till you show them a pic and they vanish.

Same problem, different angle.

You can't have sex?

Nope.

Will you be my girlfriend?

First of all, I'm in the UK. Secondly I'm 45. Thirdly, I'm fat. Finally, I have a terminal illness that could take years, but definitely causes issues at the moment.

I say these things not as a refusal, but as a heads-up of what to expect. You are still able to withdraw your offer with no loss of face or any insult taken by me.

I think I have to withdraw cause you have bad personality

What makes you say I have a bad personality?

I'm assuming he's meme-ing

So he wasn't actually asking me to be his girlfriend? Ah well. Another one to add to all the rest of the guys who don't want me.

That part I don't know. I meant about the personality part.

I'm presuming he's using it as a get-out since I've not heard from him since.

Ouch. Ghosted by an Incel.

Meh. No biggie.

Fat 45 year old British munter

How fat are we talking? Whereabouts in the UK?

At the moment, midlands. In a couple of months, West of Scotland. Once we move, I should be able to do more about losing weight (I hope), but at the moment I'm about a UK 18/20 size clothes.

Where are you?

Nottingham

Not a million miles away! You could have come to meet me at Newark at the early May bank holiday for a chat.

Why would a woman want to meet me? Hmmmmmm.

Because I'm that sort of person.

Hmmm suspicious. Undercover normie who wants to ridicule me on YouTube or something

Why would I want to do that? I've never posted anything on youtube anyway.

You're far too suspicious. There is no nefarious reason.

I'm suspicious of all femoids, especially online ones. Don't take it too personally.

I won't. I already have loads of friends anyway, but the offer is always there

If you had friends then you wouldn't be here

I do have friends. They just don't live near. They're spread all over the country. I'll be living nearer some when we move to Scotland though, so that'll be cool

Because you’re brimming with confidence.

you have a terminal illness and you waste all your free time arguing with virgins on reddit?

Oh, let me see. What else could I be doing?

Watching TV, reading a book, cuddling the dog, annoying my brother... Instead I come here and talk to people, maybe help some, maybe argue against some of the incorrect stuff, and so on. It keeps my mind occupied.

What are you currently reading?

I'm currently reading a crime/detective thriller, but I can't remember the title because it's part of an anthology. I generally only read it when I go to my bed though

I love reading though. I always have.

I don't have the time to read anything fictional these days. Everything is practical. Can't really relax until I get this money situation figured out.

I love reading too. I love applying what I read and giving the memory a nice workout. Even if it's a work of fiction I find ways to do something with the information (making art is usually the choice). Gives the memory a nice workout and helps me retain a great deal more of the story. The more I play with the information, the better.

If I could, I'd read a sci/fi novel.

I have about 4 novels to write. I really ought to try and do them at some point.

I do read a lot of factual stuff, but I have memory problems. I do seem to retain a lot of useless crap mind you... heh

Haha, I have to study math, but I keep playing video games to help calm the anxiety.

Sounds like maybe you're only holding onto the stuff that interests you more?

Or useless facts...

Stuff that really interests me I tend to retain more of, but the good thing is that I can rewatch movies and re-read books, because I forgot what happened... lol

Memory really is like a muscle. I forget things too, but in general I keep doing small things to improve it. Perhaps you can keep giving it a workout? Make the ties to certain info stronger?

The problem is down to pain meds unfortunately... heh... Between those and insomnia, I have problems

Is your medicine really hindering your cognitive skills that much? The insomnia is an easy fix, try some weed. :P

I'm on really strong painkillers, so I can end up zoning out when things are really bad.

The insomnia is usually caused by pain cutting into my sleep cycle, or one of my pain meds which has insomnia as a side effect, but it's one of the strong painkillers. So pain or painkillers. One is going to keep me awake... heh

So I was right about Canasta. At least you say it out loud.

I think I've only ever played that once when I was about 15.

I want to get on with some sewing, but the lodgers are being obnoxious so I can't

I was joking, relax. ;)

Come on over. You can teach me to play.

Nah, poker's more up my alley, thanks for the offer.

Hey! No poking me! lolol

Aren't you zesty? Im more of a slow approach guy but thanks for the suggestion. ;)

Welcome

Having a brother isn't a hobby, touching a dog isn't a hobby. TV isn't a hobby.

God you roasties are so boring, you never do anything except seek attention. If you were men everyone would laugh at you.

Annoying my brother is a great pastime, although he still threatens to tell mum.

Sometimes TV is pretty much all I can do other than be on the net.

I have a load of sewing to do when the lodgers calm down enough to let me, plus we have another reenactment event next month.

I feel bad for your current situation but I do want people to take note here. This is what it takes for a woman to be Incel. All these issues. Meanwhile normal guys that don't meet up to standards struggle immensely.

You had one product feature and you still malfunctioned

Lots of people malfunction. Go bother the guys with ED or something.

Lol what is the value of a woman if not for sex purposes? She lost the only thing that makes a woman valuable, she is the living proof of the pussy privilege, when your cunt stop working the world stop bending to your feet.

And yet I still have a social circle, and am appreciated as a person. Go figure.

I can't think why.

Because I have hobbies and interests.

Why can’t you have sex?

Ill health. Pain.

Just suck some dick then

We've had this discussion before, you and I.

she chooses not to. volcel

You can give a handie or a blowie though lol

Wrong again.

Foot job? You gotta do something lol. How do your issues affect your hand or your mouth lol?

Repetitive movement transferring into my abdomen and causing pain.

Yeah then it's gonna be rough for you. Do you miss it? Is it fucking you up or are you a good coper?

Sometimes I miss it, but most of the time it's not a big deal. I'm more bothered by not being able to do as much as I used to, like getting out with the dog to the park for an hour, or doing a lot of cooking and stuff. I can still sit and sew though, which is something I enjoy.

yes u can. u can at least give a blowjob u fucking prude.

Put on a t-shit. Wrap your torso tightly from ribcage to pelvis in several layers of barbed wire. Now do the movements of a blow job. Every time you feel the barbed wire stab you, that's when I get pain.

Now do you understand?

just suck his dick. use ur tongue.

If you think that's all it takes, you're sadly uneducated.

I don't understand why the cucked-ass mods haven't banned the fuck out of this LARPer, but I'll indulge you just this one time.

The idea here with this entire "MagratM" account is a false equivalency between an old spinster and the average incel. Just because both are generally sexually unsuccessful at one time does not render them identical, much in the same way that a soccer player and a pianist may both at the same time have injured fingers, but this injury has vastly differing implications for each person based on their individual life history. You're a woman. You aren't a virgin now. You have never been an adult virgin.

This reminds me of when a certain YouTube political commentator (of whom I am an enthusiastic fan) really wanted to reinforce the perception that he wasn't approaching class and race issues from the typical privileged white boy perspective. To accomplish this, he recalled his college days at a top tier university. He, coming from an upper middle class family instead of the oligarch class, felt alienated and minimized among his classmates. Just shut the fuck up, Michael.

The difference between you and him is that you ultimately take the neoliberal approach instead of the critical one. I'm pretty sure you're actually just a clueless neolib in your actual politics too since you literally told some other guy "just get a new job bro if you don't like your current one" - how out of touch can you possibly be? You do know that your oblivious pseudo-"advice" can be just as harmful to people as full-blown blackpill fatalism, right? Dismissing context, approaching things from an ahistorical perspective, shelling out tired and half-hearted platitudes instead of actual engagement or empathy (let alone activism, my god). "I know you're struggling with autism, but look at Temple Grandin! She's successful and relatively happy despite it all." That's your tier of ignorant-ass commentary throughout your entire post history. The only picture of the world you know how to conceptualize is if you try your best, you cannot fail. A narrative instrumentalized by a neoliberal ideology to suppress everything from structural problems to cultural stigmas and outright oppression. When you tell an actual person something like that, you often end up 1) not telling them ANYTHING they didn't already know -as it is the dominant framework- & 2) hurting them psychologically/socially by reinforcing the mainstream view in spite of their own agency and motivations and circumstances. Failure is already humiliating enough. Poverty is already humiliating enough. Being socially outcast is already humiliating enough. Your moralizing voice associating it all with laziness and inadequacy adds nothing constructive. For people like you, it's always the damned poor and never the damned society that entraps them. Always the damned loser virgin incels and never the conditions alienating them. It's the height of delusional narcissism to pretend that you're a force for good here with ANY mere commentary, but certainly not with the cheap stuff you're selling.

u/MozzerDozzer painted for you an extremely clear picture of a real person with one of the best posts I've ever seen on this subreddit. You shouldn't have to be that close to the brutality of life to surrender your condescension. (Again, neoliberal bias - much like the "white moderates" mentioned by MLK and Malcolm X alike: "I didn't know it was like this!" It's in plain sight. It shouldn't take a television set screening beatings on the other side of the U.S. to see the injustice in your own neighborhood. You just didn't notice it was a problem until it was inches from your face because of your callous preference for the status quo.) Likewise, every single incel you belittle shouldn't have to personally present you with a life story to arouse humility and empathy in you.

Issues that send people to therapists are very rarely completely untreatable.

I mean this is just hilarious. What do you say to the example of someone with BPD - a disorder stigmatized even by mental health professionals as nigh untreatable? Obviously nothing, since you were talking out of your fucking Saddam instead of from a viewpoint with depth.

I have tried. I have tried all my life. I still blame nobody else but myself. I am the failure; I am the defective one; I am fully deserving of scorn and abandonment and hatred. I'm ugly, stupid, and short. These views were developed long before I came here and they would persist without this place - this place which has so often improved my mood, so often given me some solace that I am not the only one crushed by it all. I come here to see how others in my position in life are doing, how they cope, how they see the world, how they see that they have come to be, how I can offer compassion to them. I am an ardent leftist and an ethnic minority. I detest violence in all its forms. I just want to be left alone. And yet I am still maligned and hated. Not for being an "incel", but for being a lifelong loser and virgin. It'll never change.

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I don't understand why the cucked-ass mods haven't banned the fuck out of this LARPer,

Because I haven’t contravened any rules in order to warrant a ban.

but I'll indulge you just this one time.

Well gawsh, darnit, aren’t you just peachey?

The idea here with this entire "MagratM" account is a false equivalency between an old spinster and the average incel. Just because both are generally sexually unsuccessful at one time does not render them identical, much in the same way that a soccer player and a pianist may both at the same time have injured fingers, but this injury has vastly differing implications for each person based on their individual life history.

Let me see: I made one equivalency about people being romantically interested in me up till they find out about the lack of sex and then ghosting, and compared that to an incel getting ghosted for showing his pic. I said it was the same outcome coming from different angles. I didn’t say it was equal, or the same situation. I said it was the same outcome- being ghosted for things out of our control.

You're a woman. You aren't a virgin now. You have never been an adult virgin.

I didn’t lose my virginity as soon as the age of consent rolled around, or even before that. I also couldn’t find a boyfriend of my own age, because I was bullied, name-called, laughed at, and rejected, so I know how that feels. I ended up losing my virginity to a guy twice my age and who wasn’t a local when I was nearly 18, because he at least wanted to date me.

This reminds me of when a certain YouTube political commentator ... wanted to reinforce the perception that he wasn't approaching class and race issues from the typical privileged white boy perspective. To accomplish this, he recalled his college days at a top tier university. He, coming from an upper middle class family instead of the oligarch class, felt alienated and minimized among his classmates. Just shut the fuck up, Michael.

So are you saying no one’s personal past experiences have any relevance to being able to understand the same issues being faced by others?

The difference between you and him is that you ultimately take the neoliberal approach instead of the critical one.

I have absolutely no idea what that means. I tried looking it up, and all I got was stuff about free markets and privatisation.

I'm pretty sure you're actually just a clueless neolib in your actual politics too since you literally told some other guy "just get a new job bro if you don't like your current one" - how out of touch can you possibly be?

If someone has a job that is making them ill, then it’s not healthy for them to stay in it. If there are opportunities to change employment, they should be taken. I suggested a change of job or training to change jobs if he could, but he explained his situation, and it wasn’t a possible, so that was the end of it.

You do know that your oblivious pseudo-"advice" can be just as harmful to people as full-blown blackpill fatalism, right? Dismissing context, approaching things from an ahistorical perspective, shelling out tired and half-hearted platitudes instead of actual engagement or empathy (let alone activism, my god).

If you mean me looking at things from the old school perspective of people getting out and meeting people, getting hobbies that are based on interests that mean they have a social circle that they meet in person, then yes, you’re right. I do advocate for that. I do it because people spend far too much time isolated, either in their own homes, or even when out, because they are mesmerized by an electronic gadget in the palm of their hand. Humans are naturally social animals, and this modern trend of isolation is stifling a lot of contact that could be made.

"I know you're struggling with autism, but look at Temple Grandin! She's successful and relatively happy despite it all." That's your tier of ignorant-ass commentary throughout your entire post history.

I have never used that except in cases where autism or whatever is being used as an excuse to do nothing. “I have autism. I can’t do anything”. Yes, you can. You have to work on it. You have to make the effort. You can overcome the hurdles, or at least a fair few of them, and learn behaviours that help you in society. If you’re going to do nothing about it, I won’t accept it as an excuse.

The only picture of the world you know how to conceptualize is if you try your best, you cannot fail. A narrative instrumentalized by a neoliberal ideology to suppress everything from structural problems to cultural stigmas and outright oppression. When you tell an actual person something like that, you often end up 1) not telling them ANYTHING they didn't already know -as it is the dominant framework- & 2) hurting them psychologically/socially by reinforcing the mainstream view in spite of their own agency and motivations and circumstances.

I have never said anything is foolproof. I have said that people could have more opportunities. I’ve said that it could help if people try. I’ve said if people don’t try, then while they can never fail, they can never succeed either. Life is not going to be delivered on a silver plate just because someone has a few problems and it doesn’t mean they should just give up. Take a look at the light bulb and how many attempts it took to get one of those to work.

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Failure is already humiliating enough. Poverty is already humiliating enough. Being socially outcast is already humiliating enough. Your moralizing voice associating it all with laziness and inadequacy adds nothing constructive. For people like you, it's always the damned poor and never the damned society that entraps them. Always the damned loser virgin incels and never the conditions alienating them. It's the height of delusional narcissism to pretend that you're a force for good here with ANY mere commentary, but certainly not with the cheap stuff you're selling.

You don’t think I know about poverty, failure and social ostracism? You think I’m sitting on some lofty perch talking about things I have no knowledge of? I talk from a lifetime of experience of that, of having to make sacrifices because of a lack of funds, of failing at things, of being on the edge of social circles and not fitting in in certain places and situations. I’m not just blowing hot air.

u/MozzerDozzer painted for you an extremely clear picture of a real person with one of the best posts I've ever seen on this subreddit. You shouldn't have to be that close to the brutality of life to surrender your condescension. (Again, neoliberal bias - much like the "white moderates" mentioned by MLK and Malcolm X alike: "I didn't know it was like this!" It's in plain sight. It shouldn't take a television set screening beatings on the other side of the U.S. to see the injustice in your own neighborhood. You just didn't notice it was a problem until it was inches from your face because of your callous preference for the status quo.)

When I was told the whole story, then I could understand the situation. It’s very difficult to understand things if you’re only given snippets of information. Blind scientists and an elephant spring to mind.

Likewise, every single incel you belittle shouldn't have to personally present you with a life story to arouse humility and empathy in you.

And yet I have to give my life story every time anyone decides they have to know it, because they cannot accept my word for something. I also don’t belittle incels straight off. I tend to offer an opinion, then get slated for it, called names and so on. I’m not a doormat. I will bite back. Or am I supposed to be a good little meek roastie and roll over and play dead for the male overlords?

Issues that send people to therapists are very rarely completely untreatable. I mean this is just hilarious. What do you say to the example of someone with BPD - a disorder stigmatized even by mental health professionals as nigh untreatable? Obviously nothing, since you were talking out of your fucking Saddam instead of from a viewpoint with depth.

Bipolar disorder, while incurable, can be treated with carefully controlled doses of lithium along with other medications including anti-seizure meds and antidepressants, plus therapies with psychiatrists and so on. Because of the differing symptoms between patients, it can be difficult to find the right balance to start, but more and more are becoming functional members of society because of tailored treatments.

I have tried. I have tried all my life. I still blame nobody else but myself. I am the failure; I am the defective one; I am fully deserving of scorn and abandonment and hatred. I'm ugly, stupid, and short. These views were developed long before I came here and they would persist without this place - this place which has so often improved my mood, so often given me some solace that I am not the only one crushed by it all. I come here to see how others in my position in life are doing, how they cope, how they see the world, how they see that they have come to be, how I can offer compassion to them. I am an ardent leftist and an ethnic minority. I detest violence in all its forms. I just want to be left alone. And yet I am still maligned and hated. Not for being an "incel", but for being a lifelong loser and virgin. It'll never change.

Your persistence in believing yourself a failure, your constant putting yourself down, your defeatist attitude and all the rest of it in this particular paragraph shows that you are still happy to beat yourself up about things that are not your fault. You call yourself ugly, but what are you using as a point of comparison? You call yourself stupid, yet this would indicate otherwise. You let everything crush you instead of fighting back against it.

How these guys see the world is as a bleak place. They are fed toxic pills that tell them they are worthless, that they are unwanted, that no one could ever love them, that they will only get a woman because she is filling a gap while waiting for Chad, but she’s just using them for money, or security, or sex, or whatever. They are told not to try, because they will fail. They are told never to try and become anything but a downtrodden, beaten, bullied, social misfit. They are told “it’s over”, to “lie down and rot” and get told to “rope”, and while these may be in jest, to someone who is at the bottom of the barrel, they may look like good ideas.

The logic here is “don’t try”. The logic here is “don’t make effort”. The logic here is “if it’s going to happen, it will come to you”. None of that is true. Everyone has to work, everyone has to try, everyone has to make an effort, and everyone has to get off their arse and go out and make their own things happen, because in today’s selfish society, no one is ever going to do it all for you.

I tried empathy. I was told “you don’t know how we feel”. I tried sympathy. I was told to fuck off with my platitudes. I tried being nice. I got called a “fat old ginger whore roastie”. I tried being firm but fair. I got told I was bullying people. When I first arrived, guys were all interested, until they found I couldn’t have sex, and then I was useless to them.

Now? I don’t care. I speak as I find. I never lie though, and I will retaliate if people insult me, and I will find it amusing to do so.

When I first arrived, guys were all interested, until they found I couldn’t have sex, and then I was useless to them.

They were interested because someone appeared geniuine in defending them. Many of them, despite considering themselves nihilists, still just desperately pine for female approval. Barely any people considered you as a prospect for sex though. Those who did (unfortunately, they there were some) I consider morons.

Mind you, nobody asked you to be nice, nobody asked you to defend us, you tried to win our favor, not the other way around. If you expected some kind of positive outcome from a forum of frustrated people, then you're not as smart as I thought you are.

Now? I don’t care. I speak as I find. I never lie though, and I will retaliate if people insult me, and I will find it amusing to do so.

Yeah, you're "just bored". Yet, you care enough to respond. Don't kid us but most importantly, don't kid yourself.

All the best.

I didn't say I was bored. I said I spoke as I found, and insults amuse me rather than hurt.

I'll quite happily defend these guys against people coming here to bully them, because those people just come to do harm. Maybe no one did ask, but no one should have to be bullied for something out of their control. More people would probably stand up for them if they weren't so abrasive to non incels, but that's neither here nor there at this point.

I may kick their arses, but I do it with the best of intentions, and not because it would benefit me, because it doesn't. I do it because it might benefit them.

I had to cut my reply into three parts. Please read all of them before responding it you choose to.

right up till I tell them I can't have sex, then they vanish.

A relationship without sex is just a friendship, so if that's not what they were looking for, of course that will be their reaction.

It's possible to have a relationship without sex. There's plenty of things you can do other than sex that you wouldn't do with someone who is just a friend.

women have choices, men have chances

Curt, astute, high IQ

never claimed to be any of those things

Too late, Mr Concise, Astute, High IQ.

*miss

Go back to where you came from.

which is?

Dont know dont care.

and you wonder why women don't like you 😂😂

Having fun and getting laid all the time apparently.

im literally echoing what you're saying 😂

Cmon, credit is due where credit is due.

Be my gf plz

after you were so so so kind to me

Be my sex slave plz

When?

calling me such lovely things, you know how a lady loves that

Oh yeah I called you Mr

Please be my gf

REEEEEEEEE

why art thou preaching thy blackpill if thou art a roastie?

can u be my gf

Comment of the year hot damn

thank you!

High IQ

r/iamverysmart

High IQ status revoked. Sorry.

the point, i don't care about my IQ 🤷

nobody does, except racists it seems.

/r/YOUareverysmart

I did???

Sources?

Make a Tinder and watch the matches fly in.

I don't know about absolutely zero, but yeah, the odds are pretty damn low if you're an ugly dude. Lower still if you're thirsty for sex and lack confidence on top of that.

I think girls just show it differently. The way they smile at you etc. They're not necessarily into me but if I asked them out some of them would say yes.

Girls don't chase, but at any time there may be a couple girls willing to let you chase them. The honest truth is 99.9% of men do not talk to women on a regular basis.

99.9% of men do not talk to women on a regular basis.

I think it depends on location. In HS and college, my classmates were the boldest motherfuckers

You can think that all you want it doesnt mean it's true I'm afraid.

Sobering blackpill

/u/pinkgoldrose

Ignore that troll. It thrives of any attention it gets.

idk ive worked the same job in a pretty big place for 4 years and i am interested in several males around here and no matter how much i talk to them, they've never asked for my number.

It might be because you refer to men as males

lol i didnt realize i typed males haha

That's just your inherent misandry manifesting itself. Men can sense/pick up on this and that's probably why they haven't asked you out, despite your possibly creepy and incessant advances

Thankfully, you can change this, by getting a brand new shiny personality. Taking showers help. Watching movies with leading male protagonists will definitely help.

Stop posting on here and wallowing in your self pity and go improve

Btw its not because you're ugly and you're going for chads. That simply isn't the case.

BTFO

Aw she didn't have to go and delete it. I was just messin about

Roasties aren't used to having their viewpoints challenged. It can be traumatizing.

1. i am not creepy. i am an adult with a job and although i have a crush on a few guys around here, if the crush is not mutual then that would lead to awkward work place.
2. incessant advances - certainly not incessant advances. i am attractive, professional, and shy. friendly conversation and a smile is not incessant advances. i just happen to have a crush.
3. i shower daily LOL
4. i dont really watch movies. i like to read. i always fall asleep when i watch tv.
5. i am not wallowing in self pity LOL i am bored at work and browsing on reddit arguing w/ dorks.
6. full time job, homeowner, physically fit 110lbs and 5 feet tall. i could go to the gym more but i jog everyday.
7. i deleted my comment bc i dont know all your slang terms and i dont want to look up these words that mean nothing to me.

Basically what i gave you was a satirical list of advice that we get on a daily basis. Even though, just like I did with you, normies don't know anything about us, and don't try to get to know us, but still spew the same bs

Now, we almost always reply just like you do when we get said "advice." But since we're incels, we can never be right about things

Lol normies incel blah blah I'm a big girl w big girl job this shit is weird

Lol okay there

The ones you are interested in might not be interested in you however I can almost guarantee there are guys out there who would be interested in you.

one of these days i will get the gumption to ask for their phone number myself

Lol 60 comments and i see like 8.. How many roasties got toasted here?

Perfectly said.

Guys trying to screw us is not romantic interest, mate.

I'm currently reading a crime/detective thriller, but I can't remember the title because it's part of an anthology. I generally only read it when I go to my bed though

I love reading though. I always have.

I won't. I already have loads of friends anyway, but the offer is always there

and you wonder why women don't like you 😂😂

after you were so so so kind to me

Be my sex slave plz

When?