You actually think we all started out mean? That’s not how bitterness works. Incels became mean because they couldn’t get gfs, not the other way around. I was the nicest guy in the world my whole life and it didn’t get me anywhere. Now I’m a bitter asshole because that’s all that is left to be. Die.
You only think you were nice. Your obvious sense of entitlement proves otherwise. Observe how you perceive others and you may find that you’re the one who has caused your relationship failures.
You’re both self righteous dicks and I think you’re bitter because you need something you don’t have.
The only difference between you too is that the other guy is more honest/genuine and you probably aren’t a virgin. He has a good reason to be a dickhead, even if his coping mechanisms are rapey, sexist, and self-entitled. Look at how people shit on incels all the time and expect them to just “wake up” to the fact that they are dick sucking neckbeards. I bet you’d be an arsehole too if the shoe were on the other foot.
You do realize that calling these people selfish morons is the reason they exist, correct? They are a product of liberal condescension. I’m a far left democrat and I accept my share of this blame.
You and I created these people. I know they’re offensive, and I’m not too fond of them myself to be honest, more like extremely fascinated with their bizarre psychological problems. But what you’re doing is stoking a flame that is begging to be stoked. You are straight up knocking the chip off the shoulder. I wish every progressive would stop insulting these people. They won’t go away until you do. You don’t have to fuck them. Just ignore them.
Your statements, and all statements like them, are the reason we have a stupid buffoon bozo the fucking clown for president. Like I said, I understand why your knee jerk reaction is anger and shaming, what these people think about women is genuinely disgusting and I’m not arguing that.
What I am arguing is the fact you’re only compounding the problem with that attitude. It’s the reason the dems lost in ‘16 and it won’t get better until we all drop our pointy sticks and talk things out like adults. It’s getting like Lord of the Flies in this bitch. Pick a tribe.
Slavery is the best card, can always hold that over white women. Shit like the murder of Emmett Till means white women can never fucking spout shit with regards to muh oppression when a black man speaks.
BUT they can identify based upon their mutual enslavement by white men during plantation times. White women were not that much better off than slaves those days. They were better off, but not by a huge amount.
They still couldn’t vote, own land, or basically even exist without a husband except in unusual circumstances. If you think about it from a social justice perspective, they peas in a pod ya gots to admit.
White women were not that much better off than slaves those days. They were better off, but not by a huge amount.
Holy fucking shit, it really has come to the point where being treated like a fucking beast of burdern, seen as truly subhuman, shipped over from your home country on a death ride, and an overarching air of contempt against you that lasts until the modern day is put on a par with white women's troubles.
The same women who would say "that filthy nigger whstled at me" and got them killed.
I aint even saying women had a good time of it in those days but fuuuuck.
Well, if she’s a woman, she’d be considered in the “all” group. If one female proves you wrong, you need to go back to the drawing board because obviously some women are attracted to different types of guys.
Yeah you really proved that you don't only (lmao) like Chads! Plenty of evidence presented! Oh and one exception is totally relevant and is somehow meant to change my mind, how great!
You are very stupid and of course I'd tell you to eat shit when you tell me to get back to my "pity party" because I didn't immediately praise you for offering your worthless perspective on my post. The fucking arrogance on you, you used up cunt.
Yeah you really proved that you don't only (lmao) like Chads!
My bf is what most people would call a 4/10 possibly could be a 5 one day.
one exception is totally relevant and is meant to change my mind for some reason, how great!
Yall always use one off examples for women being man hating whores. Sure theres a lot of them, but there's a lot of women like me too.
eat shit when you tell me to get back to my "pity party" because I didn't immediately praise you for offering your worthless perspective on my post
No, i was simply saying that it is a pity party, this sub makes me really sad about life, cause y'all seem to think that its shit just cause you ain't got a gf? You arnt defined by how many girls you have, youre the ones defining people like that...
Aight chill out, i just wish i could help you all but most of you just cause your own misery, ive done it to myself in other circumstances and its upsetting. I won't be condescending and say i wanna hug you and say youre loved but you guys could ignore inceltears and braincels and be happier about it all...
Yeah you'd be so creeped out if he said hi to you. And there's nothing wrong with his eyes, I think your perception of the image may have momentarily slightly warped, possibly due to dilating pupils and diverted blood flow.
Id walk away silently but i have mild social anxiety so....?
You mean Chad induced shyness?
Uhm nope that happens when you get emotionally attached to someone plz get your facts straight :)
That's what happens when you experience arousal.
Honestly, yes. Id much rather be friends with / date / fuck / etc him than Mr CarbonCopy
TBH sounds like you're just one of those insecure girls who're afraid Chad would cheat on them. It doesn't mean you're viscerally more attracted to ugly dudes than Chad, it just means you think they're safer relationships, because you don't feel you're good enough for Chad.
That's fucked up, and that kind of mentality leads to infidelity down the line.
And Jordan Barrett (here's 20 bucks that says you go google that name) is anything but a carbon copy. He stands out, that's why he's a model.
I mean i cant speak in front of more than 4 of my friends at once because i get so anxious.
That's what happens when you experience arousal.
Ive never been aroused just looking at someones face... Ill have to take your word for it.
TBH sounds like you're just one of those insecure girls who're afraid Chad would cheat on them.
I would be afraid of anyone cheating on me because i have a very very low self esteem.
doesn't mean you're viscerally more attracted to ugly dudes than Chad, it just means you think they're safer relationships, because you don't feel you're good enough for Chad.
I dont particularly like relationships anyway. All i want is a close friend who i can trust to watch my back and cuddle while i eat pizza and watch netflix.
I would still shag the second guy over the chad i think the chad is ugly and id only shag him if he gave me £200 for it cuz then at least im getting something.
Thanks for confirming it for me, fam. Woman naturally perceive Chad as a more dangerous long term partner, but attractive woman are more likely to report preference for Chad and women are more likely to report preference for Chad if they are assured he will be faithful.
The issue for fidelity comes into play when you're in a relationship with a man you like because he's safe and non-Chad, but that time of the month rolls around (I'm referring to ovulation, not menstruation) and your preference for Chad is heightened (also a well documented fact), and you realize Chad doesn't need to commit if you just fuck him and have your nice Beta at home to take care of you.
And of course you've never just gotten aroused at a guy's face before, you're boyfriend is 4/10 by your own admission.
If you get to the end of your life without cheating on your boyfriend/husband, I will contribute heavily to your inheritance to your descendants.
naturally perceive Chad as a more dangerous long term partner,
Dangerous to my will to live
Chad isn't creepy or soulless, his attractiveness just intimidates you.
Hes ugly. Face facts not all girls are evil.
you're in a relationship with a man you like because he's safe and non-Chad,
Im in a relationship because he (my bf) is a nice person who loves me, not cause of his looks.
I'm referring to ovulation, not menstruation) and your preference for Chad is heightened
Nope
(also a well documented fact)
Proof?
Chad doesn't need to commit if you just fuck him and have your nice Beta at home to take care of you.
That's cheating ew no
And of course you've never just gotten aroused at a guy's face before, your boyfriend is 4/10 by your own admission.
Any guy not my bf, no chad has ever made me horny. It sounds awful and cringey but my biggest turn on is a guy who finds me attractive for me, not because he can insult me then dump me
If you get to the end of your life without cheating on your boyfriend/husband, I will contribute heavily to your inheritance to your descendants.
if you get a wife or girlfriend whos had sex before and dont once call her a roastie ill literally be your willing slave
But you recognize the way in which they are dangerous to you here:
not because he can insult me then dump me
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Hes ugly. Face facts not all girls are evil.
Unfortunately the evidence I've read makes it seem like you're part of the women in the studies with the bad self esteem, which leads them to measure themselves as not able to keep a Chad loyal to them. You've already admitted straight up to having bad self esteem, so I don't see why you can't at least consider this point.
And I don't mind that you have this preference, I don't call you evil for it. I'd call you evil for your inevitable infidelity, though.
Proof?
It's well documented that women's preference for facial masculinity increases when they ovulate. This leads people to conclude that this is part of women's dual mating strategy, in which they may have a safe less masculine partner to take care of them, and a very masculine partner to impregnate them.
It sounds awful and cringey but my biggest turn on is a guy who finds me attractive for me
Again you're just feeding into my point. What you look for in a man is subservience (and view a man with a high sexual market value as not subserviant) but this is the kind of relationship dynamic that creates dead bedrooms and infidelity.
if you get a wife or girlfriend whos had sex before
I don't seriously date women that aren't virgins, so I would never have a wife or girlfriend that's had sex before.
But you recognize the way in which they are dangerous to you here:
Dangerous as in i would rather hang myself than date a chad
Unfortunately the evidence I've read makes it seem like you're part of the women in the studies with the bad self esteem, which leads them to measure themselves as not able to keep a Chad loyal to them. You've already admitted straight up to having bad self esteem, so I don't see why you can't at least consider this point.
Ok, let me try again.
I DO NOT FIND CHADS ANY. MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN ANYONE ELSE AND IF ANYTHING I WOULD AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS.
NOT BECAUSE OF MY SELF ESTEEM.
BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT LOOKS I WANT SOMEONE WHO TREATS ME LIKE AN EQUAL.
And I don't mind that you have this preference, I don't call you evil for it.
Whoodeedo an incel with at least part of a brain.
It's well documented that women's preference for facial masculinity increases when they ovulate. This leads people to conclude that this is part of women's dual mating strategy, in which they may have a safe less masculine partner to take care of them, and a very masculine partner to impregnate them.
Fair enough, but personally ive never experienced this when im ovulating i get overrun with hormones eat ice cream cry because i get more spots and watch netflix alone. When im on my period i get aggressively horny and i am all over mg boyfriend as soon as i see him, not all over chads.
Again you're just feeding into my point. What you look for in a man is subservience (and view a man with a high sexual market value as not liable to be subservient) but this is the kind of relationship dynamic that creates dead bedrooms and infidelity.
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about you totally lost me, but ill have a go anyway.
you look for in a man is subservience (and view a man with a high sexual market value as not liable to be subservient)
I dont want a guy just because hes available or a 'save' choice.
but this is the kind of relationship dynamic that creates dead bedrooms
There will never be a dead bedroom with me because i have highly repressed sexual desires and massive 'problems' around sex in general. (Wont be specific cuz of my own privacy)
infidelity
Should probably google this cuz u keep using it but i aint gonna cuz im lazy
I would never have a wife or girlfriend that's had sex before.
Dangerous as in i would rather hang myself than date a chad
Ok, let me try again. I DO NOT FIND CHADS ANY. MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN ANYONE ELSE AND IF ANYTHING I WOULD AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS. NOT BECAUSE OF MY SELF ESTEEM. BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT LOOKS I WANT SOMEONE WHO TREATS ME LIKE AN EQUAL.
And again, I just don't have any reason to believe you when the evidence contradicts you.
Whoodeedo an incel with at least part of a brain.
Apparently having a "part of a brain" means not being mean to you.
but personally ive never experienced this when im ovulating
Do you not take birth control?
I dont want a guy just because hes available or a 'save' choice.
See my first statement, with consideration for the wealth of evidence I've seen, I just don't believe you. This dynamic is incredibly well documented.
There will never be a dead bedroom with me because i have highly repressed sexual desires and massive 'problems' around sex in general. (Wont be specific cuz of my own privacy)
Uh, doesn't that guarantee a dead bedroom? Dead bedroom = no sex happening.
Why?
Another very well documented fact is that marriages in which the wife only ever had sex with her husband are the most likely to succeed.
And again, I just don't have any reason to believe you when the evidence contradicts you.
Dangerous as in i would rather hang myself than date a chad
^ is a hyperbole so....
Apparently having a "part of a brain" means not being mean to you.
Savaaaaage boiiiiii gj i walked into that
Do you not take birth control?
No im waiting till im 20 because i want my hormomes to sort their shit out before i fuck with them more
See my first statement, with consideration for the wealth of evidence I've seen, I just don't believe you. This dynamic is incredibly well documented.
Well idk what to say believe me or dont changes nothing for me.
Uh, doesn't that guarantee a dead bedroom? Dead bedroom = no sex happening.
No, i repressed being sexual for so long it kinda comes out massively now, and my 'problems' cause many weird kinks so my boyfriend fuckin loves it haha
Another very well documented fact is that marriages in which the wife only ever had sex with her husband are the most likely to succeed.
I believe marriage should be rejected, both from personal experience with family members and their marriages and from a philosophy students POV because of its connotations with the church and controlling people. But you do you good luck to you fam
I believe marriage should be rejected, both from personal experience with family members and their marriages and from a philosophy students POV because of its connotations with the church and controlling people. But you do you good luck to you fam
Thanks for sharing your personal thoughts, but they're not relevant.
Success of marriage vs promiscuity just shows you that the more you fuck, the worse your chances of being able to stay in a long term relationship are.
Wow calm down mate.
Marriage works for people who believe in being with one person forever or going to hell.
Ya know?
The people who get into a contract with their partner and God?
So.
People who dont get married.
Don't have those opinions.
So its not actually marriage.
Its the opinion of being with one person.
Also half of all marriages end in divorce.
But does that take into account the vast amount of girls who get pulled into a relationship and marriage at a young age and have no idea how to leave their partner?
Statistics cant always be trusted im just saying even if you marry a virgin it wont necessarily be perfect. What happens if you find a girl whos a 7, loves you for personality and looks, has the same interests, seems perfect, but shes fucked 5 guys? (Not hating just curious)
And no i wouldn't find it desirable but i have problems with being in relatonships because as soon as i get into one i try leave because i hate feeling trapped with someone so :/ thats just me though i do understand most people want someone to be with forever (however as you pointed out before (might have been you lost track of people and threads sorry if it wasn't) we are designed to fuck and dump to reproduce...)
But does that take into account the vast amount of girls who get pulled into a relationship and marriage at a young age and have no idea how to leave their partner?
It notes a correlation with the fact that generally the longer women wait to have sex, the more likely they will be to have fewer sexual partners. So if anything, these women waiting til marriage are older than average.
im just saying even if you marry a virgin it wont necessarily be perfect
Yeah, up to a 10% chance. That's still the best predictor I've ever seen in my life.
And no i wouldn't find it desirable but i have problems with being in relatonships because as soon as i get into one i try leave because i hate feeling trapped with someone so
That's beyond fucked up. You need therapy more than anyone else in this sub. 20 bucks says you've got self harm scars.
we are designed to fuck and dump to reproduce
Probably not something I said, I'm a little bit more sophisticated on the topic of evolution. Genes exist to create more genes by virtue of the fact that genes that exist more exist more. This doesn't mean that the best way to gain genetic dominance is to be promiscuous.
It is observed that the greater the sexual restraint in a society, the greater the society. In other words, if we enforce monogamy, and aren't just fucking around all the time, we can easily displace groups that do just fuck around all the time.
That's beyond fucked up. You need therapy more than anyone else in this sub. 20 bucks says you've got self harm scars.
Yea i fucking know mate. I am getting it and i do have them.
Genes exist to create more genes by virtue of the fact that genes that exist more exist more
Ooooh Dawkins fan, the 'selfish gene' idea... Completely agree and sorry for getting you confused aha.
It is observed that the greater the sexual restraint in a society, the greater the society. In other words, if we enforce monogamy, and aren't just fucking around all the time, we can easily displace groups that do just fuck around all the time.
To am extent yes, but that doesnt mean we cant have sex for pleasure. (I dont wanna get to far into ethics in case i lose you cuz idk what you know and dont, but - its like higher and lower pleasures, sex being lower and fine dining being higher, some people say we should reject lower pleasures over higher but i follow the idea that satisfying lower pleasures helps us gain higher pleasures.) Who works better, someone who has sex for pleasure or someone who is pent up and frustrated? Same goes for tiredness and hunger etc. Similar to the 'holoship' in the BBC tv show Red Dwarf (its good you should watch it if you haven't) where sex is a basic pleasure and they do it thoughtlessly because reproduction isn't necessary and its treated as casually as a hug and its rude to refuse.
Yea i fucking know mate. I am getting it and i do have them.
If you don't mind me asking: You've said you're younger than 20, but how many sexual partners have you had?
To am extent yes, but that doesnt mean we cant have sex for pleasure
I didn't imply that. Sex is clearly an important bonding tool, people should fuck all the time, provided it's part of a strict monogamous relationships that's supposed to last until death do them part.
That's how the big man Aldous Huxley saw it. Now I don't agree with him on the drug use and new wave perennialism, but the sex thing is fine.
Who works better, someone who has sex for pleasure or someone who is pent up and frustrated
Well loads of spiritualist communities practiced semen retention, because they believed it made them work better, so the answer there isn't cut and dry.
Overall, it's just a fact that a promiscuous society is a primitive society. I don't really consider Red Dwarf to be an authority on this topic, nor Star Trek for that matter.
If you don't mind me asking: You've said you're younger than 20, but how many sexual partners have you had?
One
people should fuck all the time, provided it's part of a strict monogamous relationships that's supposed to last until death do them part.
What if you both decide later on in the relationship that you want to move on, people arnt always meant to be in your life forever.
Well loads of spiritualist communities practiced semen retention, because they believed it made them work better, so the answer there isn't cut and dry. The last thing you want is to be a decadent.
True.
Overall, it's just a fact that a promiscuous society is a primitive society.
Not necessarily.
Red Dwarf to be an authority on this topic, nor Star Trek for that matter.
Its the idea of a society like that, not the actual science behind it.
And you haven't broken up with him yet? I'm confused.
What if you both decide later on in the relationship that you want to move on
I like to think that a relationship becomes of true value if you stick together through such obstacles.
Not necessarily.
necessarily
ˈnɛsəs(ə)rɪli,ˌnɛsəˈsɛrɪli/Submit
adverb:
as a necessary result; inevitably.
So yes, necessarily. That's what the empirical evidence shows, and I understand some fundamental principles as to why. Those being that monogamy is critically important to society because it keeps lower tiers of men from getting violent, and because it keeps all men able to be comfortable in investing in their children, thereby allowing society to exist. It's also a very powerful eugenic force, nuclear monogamy specifically. Look up the Hajnal line.
"i have problems with being in relatonships because as soon as i get into one i try leave because i hate feeling trapped with someone so :/"
- you
Oh, and looking back at the comment in which you wrote that, I didn't actually answer your question. No, virginity is an absolute rule that I don't allow myself to break. Under no circumstance would I invest emotionally or financially in a woman who wasn't a virgin.
"i have problems with being in relatonships because as soon as i get into one i try leave because i hate feeling trapped with someone so :/" - you
Fair. Im staying because hes a close friend anyway and hes got enough to deal with atm i wanna stand by him
Oh, and looking back at the comment in which you wrote that, I didn't actually answer your question. No, virginity is an absolute rule that I don't allow myself to break. Under no circumstance would I invest emotionally or financially in a woman who wasn't a virgin. That's literally my one and only rule. That and 4/10 minimum.
Oh. Seems a bit stupid to me but thats just personal opinion i guess. Anyway good luck with that fam. Im going to bed.
Fair. Im staying because hes a close friend anyway and hes got enough to deal with atm i wanna stand by him
Good luck. Hope you don't screw it up.
Seems a bit stupid to me but thats just personal opinion i guess
As I said, it's the best predictor I've ever seen. Virgin = Over a 90% chance of success. I've never seen any other trait mapped this way. So, as I said, as long as she's a virgin I'm willing to give any kind of girl a shot.
As I said, it's the best predictor I've ever seen. Virgin = Over a 90% chance of success. I've never seen any other trait mapped this way. So, as I said, as long as she's a virgin I'm willing to give any kind of girl a shot.
Sounds like a better plan than most incels have. Good for you.
If I was an incel, there'd be no way I'd have a chance with a virgin in today's landscape.
If you want ammo to accuse me with of personal investment in our earlier argument: I have most "Chad" facial characteristics, so I have great success with women. I'm allowed to be picky for this reason.
Really? We do? Gosh, thanks for letting me know! I have to go tell my socially awkward Mexican boyfriend! /s
Real talk, though, everyone has different taste. These guys are hot to some people, some people find them generic. If you treat all women like they're clones of each other you won't be able to have a relationship. Nobody wants to be with someone who treats them like a stereotype. Would you want to be with a woman who treated you like a dopey, car guy sitcom character? Probably not, because that sounds shitty.
Former fat, thanks to my loving parents for giving me an extremely unhealthy relationship with food that they partially used to replace affection. Yay parental neglect! I dropped over 60lbs and gained a bunch of muscle tone. It's pretty fun having strong arms. You can lose weight too. It actually isn't that hard once you get through the first month or so, though it's hell to start with. Purple hair isn't for everyone, but I've been dying it for about 10 years now, so I don't feel like myself without some unnatural color. Plus, if you dye your hair a vibrant color, it makes every outfit you wear look like you're some sort of cool punk rocker even if you're just in sweats. But, really, I think everyone has potential to better themselves, even the emotionally broken. Overcoming abuse and mental issues is really hard and it takes a long time and a lot of effort, but it can be done. I know this because I'm in the process of doing that and even though sometimes it feels like the world is just going to keep flinging shit at you, it feels good to look back and see that you're a better version of yourself than you were month ago.
hey rozeline you seem like a decent person, do yourself a favor and just avoid this subreddit. all of the incels here have confirmation bias anyway, you can't get through to them. that's why they're incels.
Classic incel response. Take a shower once in a while and you might pique some female interest. Or maybe pursue a female that’s actually in your league.
Contrary to incel sheepledge, studies show that men show less variation than women when it comes to identifying an attractive member of the opposite sex. Ie. men all like the same girls.
Conveniently removed the part from that same study showing that men overwhelmingly messaged the most attractive women over the least attractive women, whereas women pretty much messaged all men equally with only a slight shift towards higher attractiveness.
Given that less attractive women are not likely to have lower standards, why would you expect more men to message less attractive women. For a hot guy, it makes sense to message the hot girls. For a non-hot guy, it makes sense to message both hot and homely girls. Thus, of course hot girls will receive more messages.
Such a devastating black pill OKC had it disappeared down the memory hole. In fact it seems that all the data OKC releases just further debunks its business model.
Exactly what what people do, not what they say. Especially for women, because they are dishonest, particularly with regards to sexual and social matters.
No study says what he said. Im a med student and although a volcel mgtow ive read a lot of evo psych... Which is the science that confirms a lot of what we are saying
Evolutionary psychology is basically speculation. You can't conduct experiments or even gather observational data on humans who existed 3,000 years ago. Furthermore, the gender theories that exist within evo psych don't tend to hold true when applied cross culturally.
This isn't to say it evolutionary psychology should never be considered, just that it shouldn't be viewed as a conclusive explanation of all behaviors and motivations.
Female sexuality is much more complex than men's so it is absolutely true that women show more variation than men while judging someone's attractiveness.
However, women's attraction is much weaker because they are affected by their hormonal cycles(preferring more masculine men during ovulation), preselection and they focus on turnoffs much more than turnons which can result in a woman completely losing attraction just from a single turnoff. They also lose sexual desire for their partners much faster compared to men.
That couldnt be more backwards. There are guys with a fetish for all shapes and sizes of women and any flaw you can think of. On the other side theres only like 3 body types women want (lean & athletic, big & jacked, or tall & skinny), and if a guy is some combo of short, ugly, balding, fat, etc he is invisible to women. You have it on easy mode.
It probably means men like youthfullness and child-rearing hips. So what? Compared to American women, American men have no dominant racial preference (compared to women who strongly prefer White men), are more likely to find the average person of the opposite sex attractive, care less about height, care less about age, care less about income, and care less about facial features.
I think you're assuming women use the masculine mate evaluation method (mostly looks), which is quite an adorably masculine sort of mistake to make. But the feminine evaluation method for men is actually a lot more complicated than that.
There are so many different ways for a man to be attractive. Men jerk it mostly to pictures and videos, but women prefer different stimulation when they touch themselves, they read! If anything, the prevalence of romance novels should be an indication enough that women aren't really visual creatures. And if you look at the variation in the different male leads in women's romance novels. While there are some common traits, like needing to be fixed in some way, being attractive, forceful, and strong-willed, the other elements can vary wildly. For women the equation looks something like:
Some intelligence + some leader-like ability + some looks + some romanticness + some competence (or ambitions of being competent, often represented with status) + being fix-able in some way.
That is not what we are saying, genetics and looks is the most powerful indicator of masculinity. Of course, in a book like that, the guy is going to have all those other masculine features as well, because it's fantasy. Nonetheless, looking masculine, being reasonably tall, square-jawed etc is the ideal man for every woman. The variations are irrelevant because what matters stays the same. That is why they all like the same guy.
First, in your example, "nice to everyone", thats not attractive at all. Women aren't attracted to meek compliant men, women want bold and forceful males who are willing to challenge other people. And women are definitely attracted to blonde guys with blue eyes. As for paleness, I will point you in the direction of the absurd number of vampire romance novels, who are often explicitly stated as being pale.
Secondly, you have it completely ass-backwards. Just because there are common traits that women find attractive, that doesn't mean its all the same guy. Let me give you an example; In Twilight (2nd best selling romance novel of all time) You have Edward Cullen (vampire) and Jacob Black (werewolf). These two are quite different and are attractive to Belle for completely different reasons. Edward is romantic and extremely disciplined and resilient, he's quiet, intriguing, and mysterious. Meanwhile Jacob is a jock, he's extroverted, he's a leader, aggressive, he's violent, and he's unpredictable. They are both exceptional males with forceful personalities who have fix-able personal problems, and that's where their similarities end.
Attractiveness is a factor, but women aren't just staring at the cover the whole time. If women wanted to do that they wouldn't be reading romance novels in overwhelming proportions in comparison other ways of getting off.
Women care about looks. We ALL care about looks. When I’m fat, low attention. When I’m leaned out, High attention & constant flirting. My personality didn’t change, im the exact same person, but looking good (or healthy af) is a major point.
I know what you’re trying to learn, but to put it in words that probably suit you better.
A GOOD LOOKING, FIT MAN, MAKES HER WANT HIS GENETICS FOR HER OFFSPRING.
I just lurk here for lulz, but I have an absolute shit personality and women absolutely love me. Want to hazard a guess as to why? These guys are wrong on a lot things but their foundation seems sound.
If you can actually have a conversation, then thats not a shit personality. If you're challenging and playful (like right now), thats not a shit personality. If you're so confident that women absolutely love you, then thats not a shit personality. If you can give credit to people while also criticizing them
I'm a chubby brown man. Weak chin (although I offset that with a beard) thick nose, etc... Point is, I'm not good looking. Nonetheless I've never struggled with girls. Not "hauling in pussy", but never been at point in my life where I don't get any female attention.
Learning to have fun with girls, avoiding creepiness or entitlement goes a long way. Currently in a relationship with a beautiful girl. Definitely not a looks based relationship.
The reason why your personality is irrelevant to girls around you is because your personality is irrelevant to you.
I didn't mean you as in personally you. I meant that if you make it super relevant eventually that will lead to be with people that think it relevant too. I can see that you're not being unreasonable or anything. If you truly believe the rule is for girls to be like that, then you know there are also outliers. Make it very much about your personality and eventually you find those outliers.
Men jerk it mostly to pictures and videos, but women prefer different stimulation when they touch themselves, they read!
Mega cope.
They read, and ALL picture the same male archetype: Large skeleton, toned muscles, defined skull, thick hair.
In real life, men come in many shapes and sizes that overwhelmingly most women absolutely never fantasize about. THATS WHY WOMEN ACTUALLY REFER TO A SELECT FEW MEN AS "REAL MEN". Many many women actually use this term when describing attractive men lmao. Meanwhile, also in real life, outside of the way you apparently want to see things, men literally jerk it to photos and videos of all different kinds of women! There's big ass porn, small tits porn, BBW porn, ect. Men are obviously the ones with more varied sexual tastes in real life! WOMEN ARE BASICALLY ONLY ATTRACTED TO MEN WITH A GENETIC CONVENIENCE TO POWER AND AUTHORITY; Women are only sexually attracted to guys that look like they can beat up other men. Women are the lookists of our species, not men. Stop coping.
Btw: Women don't care for behavioral traits nearly as much as the physical ones; women literally appreciate a man's behavioral traits through his physical composition primarily.
Tell that to my friends who watch Kpop shows all day and swoon over boys in magazines.
Just because reading takes more time doesn't mean women read more than they look at photos.
I get your point that it takes more than looks for a woman to commit, but lookism and hypergamy are indeed true. Women usually don't date or marry down. Maybe they will lower their standards as the relationship goes, but the guys here are talking about dating culture where appearance is what get you in the door in the first place. They may seem bitter and pathetic, but they have a point.
I know looks help, but have you ever heard of making a good first impression?
There is such a thing as a sexy personality, I know because I've been told so many times that I have one and I'm not even remotely physically attractive. What you say and how you behave also influences people's opinion of you, because in relationships men are active and women are passive, men have to be appealing through action rather than inaction, and the more active a role you play the bigger impact your biases and decision-making (your personality) has on the outcome compared to the more passive party in the interaction.
There isn't a single romance novel or erotic internet story featuring a short fat balding guy with lumpy facial features. The guys are always described in detail, creating an image in the womans mind. And they are always tall, always fit, always with pleasing features. Just because women get off from reading words doesn't make them deeper or less visual. Their sexual proclivities are in fact quite simplistic and predictable
The book did better than the movie did. As in, women were lured in when using words more so than with images.
Listen buddy, you can slice it however you like but at the end of the day women always end up finding behaviors, actions, and words more appealing than just looks for looks' sake.
Until you find popular erotic literature for women that either doesn't use words to describe the mans appearance or uses words to describe an ugly man, my point stands. In female sexual fantasy, male appearance matters over all other factors.
Sure, it describes what he looks like and he looks attractive, you want porn where the stars aren't attractive? But I've read a few romance novels and they're mostly describing actions and behaviors. And even when describing what he looks like, its always in the context of him doing something actively.
Irrelevant, since I was responding to someone claiming womens sexual attraction wasn't measured visually like men. It's already understood that mens sexual attraction is visual. Theres nothing to contend
No one is claiming physical attraction has nothing to do with sexual attraction for women. I'm trying to point out to you that you are getting angry at women for something that we all do. Erotic novels do not represent reality. They are just fantasies. You probably fantasize about being with someone really attractive to you, so how does it not make sense that women do the same?
I understand that it sucks that you don't see yourself represented in these lady fantasies, but these books are also churned out to sell (how they do, I don't know)--they're formulaic and the characters are story-lines are pretty cookie cutter. If there is no diversity to choose from, women can't really read about guys other than archetypal Chads. I definitely would like to see more diversity in porn and erotica. For everyone.
I'm not angry or opposed to womens preferences in any way. It is what it is. The only reason I commented was to counter the claim that women weren't visual like men. They are, to an extreme degree. To the degree that a mans actions and behavior become arousing or creepy depending solely on his appearance. I ascribe no value judgment or emotion to that fact. I only get pissed when people deny it to save face
I know it probably doesn't feel like it, but I really don't think women are out to get incels. I've seen women get creeped out by all kinds of dudes--Chads too. I think it has more to do with unwanted attention/advances than appearance, but there are definitely some shallow people out there who are rude to those they view as beneath them.
"While there are some common traits, like needing to be fixed in some way, being attractive, forceful, and strong-willed, the other elements can vary wildly."
Why would someone reply to a comment without even reading it?
!I never said attractiveness wasn't a factor. And you don't need a study to prove that to me, if you actually read my comment before replying to it you'll know that I've acknowledged this.!<
I don't think you can use results from speed dating as something that simulates reality.
First of all, theres the kind of person who would be interested in something like this, and I would wager that sort of person would already be confident in their desirability but too socially awkward to attract someone under normal circumstances or are really picky and want to sample as many people as they can possibly manage, but also shallow enough to assume they can decide wether or not they are willing to get into a relationship with with a complete stranger based on a single brief superficial conversation. And I would wager that most of them went into it with a short-term relationship in mind anyway. So from the outset, you have a biased sample.
Second problem with this study is that it actually took people's word for it, as in it assumed people knew why they liked someone or that they knew wether or not they liked someone. Now I know you've heard about the halo effect, and that good looks will cause people to attribute positive personal qualities, but there's no reason to believe the opposite can't be true. People's motivations for even the simplest actions are not isolated from the unity, they are a product of an overwhelming number of converging factors, some competely out their control, and most hidden behind the curtain of their subconscious. I think most people aren't introspective enough or understand themselves well enough to actually tell you why they like some people and not others, and its not like I'm saying I'm much better either.
For short term relationships, only physical appearance is a predictor of attraction. For long term partnerships, personality plays a role, assuming you meet the minimum of physical attractiveness.
This dynamic is identical for both men and women. Pretending women are above men and are not physically oriented in the way men are is WRONG.
Its not as wrong as women are attracted to status, which is undeniably influenced by personal qualities. And we can go a step further than this and say that there would have been selection pressures on females to identify and enter into a commited relationship early with a potentially successful male (potential that is undeniably an elemeny of what you would call a personality) before that potential can be realized and he would be out of her reach.
I mean you only have to think about this for 5 minutes. What do women select for? Status or potential. What do men select for? Youthfulness (attractiveness). Because women's fertility declines much more rapidly as they age compared to men, and men typically increase in status in the same amount of time. It doesn't take much of a genius to figure out the fact that there would be more selection pressures for men to be more interested in appearance than women.
actually using betabux as proof that women don't care about physical appearance in the way men do
hooo man
Here's what women actually select for:
In short, most women prefer monogamous marriages
to wealthy, socially dominant, and physically attracttive
men, and want these men to be devoted to them and
their children. For most women, this preference is not
achieved. Some women attempt to achieve a compromise
of sorts through relationships with several men. The
implicit goal appears to be to get the best material investment
from one man and the best genetic investment from
another (Bellis & Baker, 1990; Gangestad et al., 2002).
And I don't think you really did much to address my point here, you kind of supported it.
What you've said is that women select for "personality" aka someone who would make a good father. Men do the exact same thing.
Both sexes also select for physical appearance.
Women are not less visual than men. Women are willing to trade their desire for physical appearance for ability to acquire resources, in the same way men are willing to trade physical appearance for loyalty.
The problem is that in the western world, women don't need men for resources, so they only select for Chad.
We don't like any of you because you call us roasties and are a little bitch who can't even talk to us but will talk shit about us online, like a little pathetic virgin bitch. Btw, I've had several guys and I don't have what you call 'roasties', so nice bad womens anatomy.
Yeah, its called being a woman, literally all you have to do is exist, and men will come to you. Sex is literally 1 right swipe away for almost all women
It's called being a human, learn it chump. You think feeling sorry for your pathetic self is going to help you any? Lol, you make me laugh. I'm a boney, pale, awkward, anxiety ridden loser of a man and I still get laid. Shut the fuck up with your pity part bullshit. Apply yourself and try. You've already given up, all of you fucks are quitters. YOU ARE ALL QUITTERS!!!! You'd might as well buy a fucking rope if you catch my drift.
Getting sex as a woman is literally the easiest thing in the world to do. The fact that you treat it like an accomplishment and a point of pride speaks volumes about you as a person.
That’s like me bragging about not shitting my pants on my way to work.
Idk what your deleted post said, but I'm sure it was on point. Don't worry about these fucking losers, it's best not to pay them any attention. Maybe if these selfish fuckfaces learned a little compasion, empathy, patience, and a little hard work then they'd get laid. But for now they can get fucked lol. Hmm, maybe they need to learn to love themselves or something. Idk, its best not to tey and argue with these subhumans.
I unironically get told that my eye color is beautiful, even by some women around my age.
They’re green.
I know for a fact that I would be uglier than I already am with brown eyes. IMHO “just don’t have brown” is the theory to go for most phenotypes. Some phenotypes can rock brown eyes though (like for instance, lachowski).
Black hair and blue eyes is the best combo, and it's better than black hair and green eyes. The contrast is what makes it so good. This is one of the reasons why Prince Eric is one of, if not the most handsome Disney princes.
Green eyes with any other hair colour is better though. Green eyes can easily be mistaken for brown eyes, that's why it isn't that great with black hair.
Women don't have the brains nor hearts to develop sincere unique preferences. They only want what other women appear to want. They only want what they think will make themselves look good. Men are not human beings to women, men are objects to women. This is why women's hypergamy exists in the first place, because of how they truly value men....as objects, not people.
Why single women out? This affects women and men alike. You clearly saw this picture and noticed these guys were attractive. Why? Becuase of european standards of beauty dominating the media and outlets. Don't assume its simply an issue affecting women, because it causes all of you to feel like shit inside as well.
Those guys are European because we live in a European dominated society, obviously. What we have a problem with is women getting to chase a small minority of guys while we have to pay for all their welfare and casual sex.
Okay cool, whenever you can, send me your data that clearly shows that no women are ever left without a partner. Im sure you spent years collecting and analysing the data to be able to make such bold statements.
Please, go outside or something to get some real perspective on things, rather than the false claims that are thrown around here. I assure you women have it just as hard as guys do in the dating scene. That is why the lonely women with 9 cats trope exists.
No. Men's rating of female attractiveness would seem to be distributed how one would expect. Most women are rated average with very few being extremely attractive or unattractive.
Fuck off you dumb cunt. Women don't care about personalities. They only care about looks and money. Chad can beat the shit out of a woman and she'll still want to fuck him because he's Chad.
Lol my bf and I are both servers for restaurants. Neither of us have money. Please don't tell me you call women 'dumb cunts' and then wonder why you can't get one.
How about you just shut the fuck up and cut your dick off since no woman is ever going to want it. You sit here and call women slurs and then mistake the psychology around why anyone would stay with an abusive partner and then you think 'stupid women, why won't anyone have sex with me?'
But it's because you're ugly on the inside not the outside. You literally just proved it to me with one comment.
Once again, it's because of how I look. Chad can call a woman a dumb cunt and spit in her face if he wants to. Women are inferior, that's why so many end up with abusive partners.
And anyway, prostitution if legal in my country so it doesn't bother me. It's actually a lot cheaper than having a roastie ("real" girlfriend) leeching off you.
Chad can call a woman a dumb cunt and spit in her face if he wants to
This has to be the most idiotic argument I have ever seen. No bro it doesn't work like that. Why do dumb people assume because a guy looks attractive that he is automatically an abusive asshole? Ever consider that maybe "Chad" is also a really nice guy? Plenty of ugly dudes out there who are abusive assholes.
it's because of how I look
It isn't just how you look on the outside, women can sense how you are on the inside, and it's easily deduced you're one of those incel losers and a misogynist to boot. I mean let's call a spade a spade. Incel is just another word for pathetic loser and if the shoe fits then you should wear it.
I'm at best a 5-6, women don't notice me when I enter a room.. They didn't when I was a kid/young adult and they sure as shit don't now. I may as well be invisible.
I used to get rejected all the time too and it sucked watching my crush always end up with my best friend who somehow always got the pretty girls.
That was until I developed this little thing I like to call "Self Confidence". Once I started believing in myself and stopped being such a sniveling little pussy, the girls picked up on that and I ended up having my fair share of women until I settled down and married a beautiful woman who i've been with for 14 years now.
My friend who always got the hot perfect 10 girls as a kid? He married a woman that ranks nowhere near those girls and had a few kids with her to boot. He's happy and they're happy together. I guess he wasn't as shallow as I always thought. He was just a beautiful guy inside and out.
If you can't get girls you have only yourself to blame. Girls are attracted to confidence. There are shallow women out there of course who value looks and money over personality but there are so many more who value personality. You should work on yours. I bet you only go after hot girls too. Aiming above your pay grade so to speak? Ironic don't you think?
At first I thought it may be some scathing sarcasm coming out of you because i try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I sense that you meant every word of what you said and it's sad.
In any case good luck with your prostitutes. Fuck enough of them and you wont need to chop off your dick. It'll fall off on its own.
"14 years" come on lol any prostitute he fucks is a lot mote valuable than your wife's dusty cunt. I can never understand why men settle down when they really don't need to. It's women who are on the biological clock.
Women chooses to come to place known for expressing views that are offensive to women
with opinions you find so deeply upsetting.
You are getting quite triggered here
All your sentences are structured to distance reader from the fact that your words and ideas are inherently upsetting. Your choice of words carefully puts the onus on the reader for being upset to avoid the fact that the ideas themselves are bad.
If an incel posts in r/braincels and there is no reasonable person to read it, is it a shit idea?
All of those quotes are from comments whose sole purpose was to address the bizarre phenomenon of people such as yourself going out of your way to seek out content online that you know to be upsetting for the sole purpose of becoming upset.
Had the intent of any of those comments been to debate the merits of the ideas being referenced then you might have a point.
But it wasn’t.
So you don’t.
But hey, nothing helps to dull the sting of a bland and mediocre life like a bit of self-righteous indignation right?
All you are going to accomplish here is putting yourself in a bad mood by reading the replies you will get. These people are too far gone. They can't be helped and if your intention is to hurt them than you can't possibly do more damage than they have already done to themselves and each other.
How about you just shut the fuck up and cut your dick off since no woman is ever going to want it.
We already had a dick mutilation in original sub, so in order to prevent that from happening, i'm gonna have to report you, next time don't go to subs you find upsettting ok? bye
and the dudes on here care about personalities so much. that's why they bitch over the "high quality" women who dont want them cause they only care about looks.
Yeah it pretty much is. Idiot parents thought they could get a better life in the West when all they were doing was condemning their bloodline especially the Y-haplogroup to extinction.
Lol, if you're a tall attractive black, Hispanic, or middle eastern guy you can easily compete with Chad in any western metro area. Only indians and east Asians get shafted in the west.
50% of the guys you see in East Toronto area are brown (south asian) and let me tell you, they’re sexy. East asian guys? They’re the new trend, especially for young girls in high school or college. You have to be attractive, your race doesn’t matter. Let’s not pretend south and east asians are all incels, get a grip.
Physically? Good facial structure and a healthy body will do the trick. It’s universal. But, of course, some people like thinner, fatter, bigger noses, smaller eyes, etc. So it’s all personal preference.
Personality wise it’s anyone who understands social cues and is able to hold a conversation. Otherwise they’re a quick fuck, which is fine too.
When I refer to the “sexy” asian guys in Toronto, I basically mean men who catch the attention of (many) women/men. And I’ll let you know women aren’t only turning heads for white guys, so if you aren’t white, don’t be insecure about your race. Those who discriminate against your race aren’t people you want to catch the attention of anyways.
If you're interesting, conversational, bold, funny, educated, and ambitious (translation: have a personality) then you'll have a very stud-like personality and that can compensate for being less attractive. Words and actions DO turn women on, fellas. Women aren't just visual creatures, they're also psychological creatures.
Every single girl I've ever been with told me my personality was sexy. Women I know, who I have never been with or even dated before have told me my personality was sexy. I'm not a good looking guy by any stretch of the imagination, nor am I tall, nor am I wealthy. But when I'm getting intimate with a girl, usually the things that turn her on the most are the things I say.
While some proof would be expected, I do value my privacy and I wouldn't want anyone I know to find out I am in any way associated with this subreddit.
You think a sub 8 guy would make for good reality TV? The networks are going to pick the best looking guy to get women tuning in, and they will have a lineup of Staceys for him to pick from to get the men to watch. It's all about what will make them money
Well you should stop stubbornly trying to change the minds of the lost people of this sub. "A" for effort and intent but I don't have as much hope as you do.
The thing is- I'm old, so I can see things a bit clearer having been there. OK, things may have changed, but in the end, people do tend to mature and decide to find a life partner.
I am optimistic that the guys here will find that, and in the meantime if I can debunk their really off-the-wall theories about women, then all the better.
but in the end, people do tend to mature and decide to find a life partner.
Not sure if you're referring to incels or women with that so I'll address both. Incels can't just decide to find a life partner otherwise the term wouldn't exist. Regarding women, we literally know and have a term for that too,"beta bux". So you're not actually saying anything new here.
Which term? "Inceldom" isn't a whole of life sentence. It's a mere anomaly and usually has passed by the first quarter century, although it can linger.
"Beta bux" is a tenet of the faith of the toxic pill, there to make you question your worth as a person, and to deny that any woman can find you attractive. It's designed to keep you subservient to the mindset that the bullies who dreamed up the toxic pill want you to be in. The toxic pill never wants you to be happy. It never wants you to feel secure. It does not want you to be able to view yourself as anyone's equal. So someone finally notices you and sees you as a nice guy? It doesn't matter how many times they tell you they love you, or how much love they lavish on you, or how many times they prove their devotion to you, you will always see it as false, worthless and hollow, thus keeping you from ever being happy.
Most of the time it isn't but for some people it is. Either way getting out of inceldom later on in life won't make up for missing out in your prime years. It will always leave a bitter taste.
It's a mere anomaly and usually has passed by the first quarter century, although it can linger.
Except for those that it hasn't passed eg r/FA30Plus
As for the rest, nah "beta bux" is there to protect oneself from being taken advantage of. Better to be incel/volcel than an atm/emotional tampon/time ho for some woman who wouldn't look twice at you when she was younger.
For the few, yes, it will be, but it shouldn't stop them trying.
The thing is- you're missing out on your prime years if you're moping about trying to get a girlfriend instead of getting out and enjoying life. Go clubbing. Go to the cinema. Find friends that you can hang out with, or go out for meals with. Stop sitting in the dark on your own, swiping at twitter like a demented obsessive.
And yet "beta" will stop men from getting relationships, because they have been brainwashed into thinking that's all women want them for.
Why not? Some might think the effort needed just isn't worth it after a certain point/age.
you're missing out on your prime years if you're moping about trying to get a girlfriend
I agree moping about not having a girlfriend is stupid but missing out on sex and validation while your sex drive is at its peak while everyone else enjoys it fucks with your head.
Go clubbing. Go to the cinema. Find friends that you can hang out with, or go out for meals with.
Did all that from my late teens to mid 20's. Gets boring eventually.
And yet "beta" will stop men from getting relationships, because they have been brainwashed into thinking that's all women want them for.
You call it brainwashing, we call it awareness of female mating strategy. What are we supposed to think when a woman eventually wants to settle down with the safe, mature guy who she wouldn't even look at 10-15 years prior? Should we feel honored that she chose us?
Their tastes "change" when they realize they're on the decline and can't obtain what they were previously able to. I guess that's a sign of maturing but that still doesn't do anything for the guy who ends up having to invest time/energy/emotions/money after countless others got commitment free sex while she was in her "just having fun" phase.
Or their tastes change because they want someone sensible and long term, not some playboy who has the attention span of a gnat when it comes to women and relationships.
It's like when you are a kid you play at being a lot of things, but as you get older, you find a career path that is probably miles away from your childhood dreams of being an astronaut.
Yeah. I'm a woman. I also tell inconvenient truths. It's like the guys here get downvoted if they post anything on IT, then come back here to crow about how they got downvoted for telling the truth. Except I don't crow about it anywhere, because I'm not actually that bothered.
This is a "reality" TV show. You know, where they pick ridiculously good looking men and women and place them in entirely unrealistic situations? Come on now... It's entertainment TV. It's not meant to be a representation of the average American experience. Mind you, they're all rich too. ffs
eeeeehhh... I'd argue though that they pick that because that's what sells. If they want people (mostly women) to watch the bachelor, they have to put a hot guy on there for them all to drool over.
it's the same thing with romcoms, that's not real either but it's always a hot guy that makes women want to watch.
What do you mean by hot? Because men have a vast amount of preferences, whereas women do not. Women rate over 70% of guys as unattractive. Women don't have preferences they have requirements. That's why nearly all of the men they find attractive, look very similar, as if they came from a factory or something.
wow... I had to Google it, honestly, because I've never been into the show but I was pretty sure there had at LEAST been a black bachelor... nope. ALL white guys. all of them. even the ones with foreign or hispanic names were light skinned. It's the whitest lineup I've ever seen..
ahhh... maybe that's what I was remembering. I thought I recalled a lot of media attention to the "first black bachelor" but it must have been the bachelorette.
And given how poorly rated that season was I doubt they will be doing it again. It's America that's racist (or at least the portion of America that was still watching the 58th season of The Bachelor).
Or, you know, being a TV show with a target audience, it caters to that target audience by casting white dudes who fit a very specific aesthetic mold to appeal to the white women who care a about looks. Question incels: If the kind of women interested in these kinds of dudes are all dumb and vapid, why do you want them anyway?
Nah bro, TV/Film is for attractive leads/stars. Why would anyone have a bachelor/bachelorette filled with unattractive people? That makes no sense to me at all
The once was a show called "King of the Nerds" that was a bunch of less than conventionally attractive folks on TV. There was another called "The Beauty and the Geek" where they would pair up stereotypical hot, ditsy girls with nerdy guys. I remember one season of the show specifically leading to a real relationship after it ended.
All I'm saying is this show have an obvious target audience in mind, and is catering directly to it. Criticizing it for that is like complaining that Ferrari's typically come in red.
Your problem is, you apply that criteria to all women. If the women you're chasing only care about looks, and that bothers you, then stop chasing those kinds of women.
Not entirely. A good portion of it is, yeah, but if you manage to sleep with someone who is, in your eyes, built like a Grecian god but also fucks like a dead fish, chances are you won't be back for seconds.
If you don't have the looks she wants. Incels think physical attractiveness can be measured objectively, by these very narrow and well defined metrics. It doesn't work that way. It never did.
Eh honestly, I don't find a single one of these men attractive. And yes, I did think that before I knew it was braincels. Honestly they're cookie cutter as fuck and look like they would start off most sentences like "so when I was at the gym the other day"... boooorrrringgg
So when some women say that they have different tastes and that conventionally attractive men doesn't interest them, they still get shit about it. We just can't win, I guess.
So I saw the season of The Bachelorette which these guys were all on. The guy on the left is actually named Chad. He was set up as the "bad boy" of the bunch. Though she ended up picking the second one from the left, because he played pro football.
Have you guys all been introduced to Patrice O'Neal? I think his teachings about women could help some of you. You would find his philosophies familiar and enlightening at the same time. Totally serious. I realize what you all want most is for people like me to fuck off but give him a chance.
Damn guys, it was just a suggestion for some entertainment. Patrice was a good comedian who had a deal philosophy about women that most of you would agree with. You won't find a more blackpill famous person.
But none of them have dark hair? All of them have light brown hair...
Light brown or blonde hair looks more attractive on White men anyway. My boyfriend is tall, blonde with green eyes and the most handsome man I've ever dated.
Guys like Ian Somerhalder have dark-hair, though, and he is really hot, too. Oh well.
Out of all the offensive threads on this sub, women get the most triggered by this one, which isn’t really offensive or misogynist at all. Hmmm I wonder why. Maybe they know it’s the truth that they only like one type of guy and it exposes the simple, terrifying truth of it all.
No, they only hire fit, attractive WHTE people. No handsome Chad ethnics to be found. Keep in mind, a lot of regular users on this sub are ethnic minorities.
Btw, you guys should watch Jojo's season. The first guy who's name is literally Chad will mog you out of existence through the screen. Spends the whole season bullying the incel.
Nah bro, TV/Film is for attractive leads/stars. Why would anyone have a bachelor/bachelorette filled with unattractive people? That makes no sense to me at all
All of those quotes are from comments whose sole purpose was to address the bizarre phenomenon of people such as yourself going out of your way to seek out content online that you know to be upsetting for the sole purpose of becoming upset.
Had the intent of any of those comments been to debate the merits of the ideas being referenced then you might have a point.
But it wasn’t.
So you don’t.
But hey, nothing helps to dull the sting of a bland and mediocre life like a bit of self-righteous indignation right?
And again, I just don't have any reason to believe you when the evidence contradicts you.
Dangerous as in i would rather hang myself than date a chad
^ is a hyperbole so....
Apparently having a "part of a brain" means not being mean to you.
Savaaaaage boiiiiii gj i walked into that
Do you not take birth control?
No im waiting till im 20 because i want my hormomes to sort their shit out before i fuck with them more
See my first statement, with consideration for the wealth of evidence I've seen, I just don't believe you. This dynamic is incredibly well documented.
Well idk what to say believe me or dont changes nothing for me.
Uh, doesn't that guarantee a dead bedroom? Dead bedroom = no sex happening.
No, i repressed being sexual for so long it kinda comes out massively now, and my 'problems' cause many weird kinks so my boyfriend fuckin loves it haha
Another very well documented fact is that marriages in which the wife only ever had sex with her husband are the most likely to succeed.
I believe marriage should be rejected, both from personal experience with family members and their marriages and from a philosophy students POV because of its connotations with the church and controlling people. But you do you good luck to you fam
!I never said attractiveness wasn't a factor. And you don't need a study to prove that to me, if you actually read my comment before replying to it you'll know that I've acknowledged this.!<
50% of the guys you see in East Toronto area are brown (south asian) and let me tell you, they’re sexy. East asian guys? They’re the new trend, especially for young girls in high school or college. You have to be attractive, your race doesn’t matter. Let’s not pretend south and east asians are all incels, get a grip.
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1 geoffreylambert 2018-05-22
All 4 of em fresh from Chad Farms
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
Because who wants a mean ugly incel like you?
1 ScrewWomyn 2018-05-22
Off, roastie
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
Lol you can call me that all you want. I actually have sex and know good womens anatomy.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
wtf women have sex? I never knew
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
No one. That’s the point, you whore.
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
Because you're being mean and ugly. Stop it and you could get a date.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
good advice I wish all roasties would be that blunt
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
OK I’m being nice now. Blow me
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
That's your idea of nice? You're going to be a virgin forever. Can't fix stupid.
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
You actually think we all started out mean? That’s not how bitterness works. Incels became mean because they couldn’t get gfs, not the other way around. I was the nicest guy in the world my whole life and it didn’t get me anywhere. Now I’m a bitter asshole because that’s all that is left to be. Die.
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
You only think you were nice. Your obvious sense of entitlement proves otherwise. Observe how you perceive others and you may find that you’re the one who has caused your relationship failures.
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
You’ve never even met me, and you certainly don’t know anything about what I used to be like. I’m bitter and resentful now but I wasn’t always.
You only think you were not a faggot. But I have the ability to look into your past and tell you that you always were.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
I concur. Excellent DS.
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
You’re showing your lack of intelligence
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
Uh huh.
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
You speak in circles, make no sense, and are forever alone. Sad.
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
Cool.
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
Nope. You need to look outside your bubble.
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-22
I arrived at almost all the main incel ideas on my own before I even knew what the incel community was.
1 Indgridbeergman 2018-05-22
You’re both self righteous dicks and I think you’re bitter because you need something you don’t have.
The only difference between you too is that the other guy is more honest/genuine and you probably aren’t a virgin. He has a good reason to be a dickhead, even if his coping mechanisms are rapey, sexist, and self-entitled. Look at how people shit on incels all the time and expect them to just “wake up” to the fact that they are dick sucking neckbeards. I bet you’d be an arsehole too if the shoe were on the other foot.
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
I’m a woman. I will never feel like I’m entitled to sex because I’m not a selfish moron.
1 Indgridbeergman 2018-05-22
You do realize that calling these people selfish morons is the reason they exist, correct? They are a product of liberal condescension. I’m a far left democrat and I accept my share of this blame.
You and I created these people. I know they’re offensive, and I’m not too fond of them myself to be honest, more like extremely fascinated with their bizarre psychological problems. But what you’re doing is stoking a flame that is begging to be stoked. You are straight up knocking the chip off the shoulder. I wish every progressive would stop insulting these people. They won’t go away until you do. You don’t have to fuck them. Just ignore them.
Your statements, and all statements like them, are the reason we have a stupid buffoon bozo the fucking clown for president. Like I said, I understand why your knee jerk reaction is anger and shaming, what these people think about women is genuinely disgusting and I’m not arguing that.
What I am arguing is the fact you’re only compounding the problem with that attitude. It’s the reason the dems lost in ‘16 and it won’t get better until we all drop our pointy sticks and talk things out like adults. It’s getting like Lord of the Flies in this bitch. Pick a tribe.
1 Gorge_Zummerman 2018-05-22
Roasty getting Toasty
1 ayydisathrowaway 2018-05-22
Are you fucking autistic? Literally proving the point incels are trying to make. No one wants ugly incels.
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
Because you are mean. Be genuinely nice and you might find different results.
1 eyewant 2018-05-22
You were actually pretty mean to the guy who said they were fresh from the Chad farm. He didnt say anything offensive or mean.
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-05-22
Being genuinely nice will make me more good looking?
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Its because they're incel, not because they're ugly.
1 hankmoodybruh 2018-05-22
That’s like saying “it’s because he’s black, not African American”.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
You can be ugly without being an incel if you have enough money.
You can be an incel without being ugly if you're mentally ill enough.
I'm just using incel logic here, buddy.
1 bengalsturntup5532 2018-05-22
Comes here and shames ugly men,pathetic
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
she went mad cuz she saw this proves the blackpill and her entire dreamworld was shattered
1 Baes20 2018-05-22
It’s not hard to look good, most girls don’t care about how guys look, it’s how guys treat them.
1 AmericasMostUnwanted 2018-05-22
The first one on the left is literally named chad.
1 StarKill_yt 2018-05-22
He is the most chad like as well
1 help_throwaway96 2018-05-22
hes 5‘5
1 StarKill_yt 2018-05-22
GG
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
He's 6 2
1 help_throwaway96 2018-05-22
ok alex ftom zhe same episode was who i meant
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
Lmao alex the manlet
1 help_throwaway96 2018-05-22
chad is a terrorist
1 BardicBassFish 2018-05-22
Is there something wrong with me bc personally I don't find any of them attractive lol
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Are females finally realizing they only like one type of man? Are they finally becoming self-aware?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
The post seems to be by a black man though.
1 BLACCEL 2018-05-22
It's named black pill for a reason
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
I got my hopes up and everything, shit
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-05-22
Black people can drop black pills all over twitter and for some reason it goes over well.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
They get their share of whining, especially when keyboard slacktivists get high on blaming ebil whitey.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-05-22
We need a based black pilled black man to start a political movement for enforced monogamy, then we'd have some real pull.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
I nominate spaceghost purp
1 Currycell92 2018-05-22
faceandlms is black
1 maskedcel 2018-05-22
this
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
isnt he the incel jay z?
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
he is partly pointing out how the show is racist which he shows proof of and sjws are trained not to disagree with that
1 frankwashere44 2018-05-22
STOP POLICING WOMENS SEXUAL PREFERENCES REEEEEEEEE
1 Cock_Demon 2018-05-22
Slavery is the best card, can always hold that over white women. Shit like the murder of Emmett Till means white women can never fucking spout shit with regards to muh oppression when a black man speaks.
1 Indgridbeergman 2018-05-22
BUT they can identify based upon their mutual enslavement by white men during plantation times. White women were not that much better off than slaves those days. They were better off, but not by a huge amount.
They still couldn’t vote, own land, or basically even exist without a husband except in unusual circumstances. If you think about it from a social justice perspective, they peas in a pod ya gots to admit.
1 Cock_Demon 2018-05-22
Holy fucking shit, it really has come to the point where being treated like a fucking beast of burdern, seen as truly subhuman, shipped over from your home country on a death ride, and an overarching air of contempt against you that lasts until the modern day is put on a par with white women's troubles.
The same women who would say "that filthy nigger whstled at me" and got them killed.
I aint even saying women had a good time of it in those days but fuuuuck.
Don't go there dude.
1 leedarhymer 2018-05-22
Glad someone said it.
1 wirWarKonigeMann 2018-05-22
she also admitted to making it up. it's so bad that the fbi reopened the investigation a couple of months ago.
1 LoserGodsThrowaway 2018-05-22
Black people were literally property that could be murdered at any time without it being a crime. So yeah.
1 Indgridbeergman 2018-05-22
Change the record jeez.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Nah.
1 sectionizer 2018-05-22
they lack the capacity
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-05-22
Alexa and Siri are more self-aware than the average femoid.
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
We like plenty of types of men. None of them are you guys because you're little bitches who complain instead of actually doing something.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Your account is satire, right
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Who appointed you to speak on behalf of all women?
1 Balenciallahh 2018-05-22
The irony lmao
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
More like turning tables. I don't think that technically qualifies as irony but idk.
1 TurboTrashman 2018-05-22
Putting the "roast" in roast beef!
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-05-22
It was me, I did it.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Do you have the signatures of at least 90 UN members, that authorize the user to be the representative of 3.7 billion women?
Can the representative be recalled?
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-05-22
Yeah, they said ur a fagget.
No, but they called u a fagget again lol.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
A tee hee hee, since we're playing "joke like a 10 year old" can I punch you really hard to show that I like you?
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-05-22
I mean, you could try but I'd probably just be unimpressed with your punch.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Hey, it's a numbers game, right?
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-05-22
Yeah, sure, why not.
1 Mantisandthegulls 2018-05-22
Well, if she’s a woman, she’d be considered in the “all” group. If one female proves you wrong, you need to go back to the drawing board because obviously some women are attracted to different types of guys.
1 gufestus2 2018-05-22
What are trends and outliers? 🙄
1 Mantisandthegulls 2018-05-22
Okay
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
N=1, an outlier at best, an aberration at worst. Proves nothing.
1 Mantisandthegulls 2018-05-22
Proof?
1 LinksLight 2018-05-22
stopped reading here
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-22
that's very ambitious dude, anything less than scientists in white cloaks clinically proving it in laboratories will be trumped by denial
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-05-22
Like you think that wouldn't be denied as well...
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
I dont like any of them :/
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
I'm not like other girls teehee
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
No, you just haven't met a girl who isnt fucking mental. Not everyone thinks just guys like that are hot smh, else everyone would look like that
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Did you really just say that unironically? Please just leave
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Okay ill leave you to your pity party. Have fun denying proof that your opinions are invalid.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
"Proof" lmao. Eat shit whore
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
'All girls only like chads' me, a girl: doesnt like only chads hey you know thats not true right? 'Eat shit whore'
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Yeah you really proved that you don't only (lmao) like Chads! Plenty of evidence presented! Oh and one exception is totally relevant and is somehow meant to change my mind, how great!
You are very stupid and of course I'd tell you to eat shit when you tell me to get back to my "pity party" because I didn't immediately praise you for offering your worthless perspective on my post. The fucking arrogance on you, you used up cunt.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
My bf is what most people would call a 4/10 possibly could be a 5 one day.
Yall always use one off examples for women being man hating whores. Sure theres a lot of them, but there's a lot of women like me too.
No, i was simply saying that it is a pity party, this sub makes me really sad about life, cause y'all seem to think that its shit just cause you ain't got a gf? You arnt defined by how many girls you have, youre the ones defining people like that...
Speaking of no proof.... Ironic eh?
1 YallBot1000 2018-05-22
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1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Holy shit, more statements with no proof and unironic use of y'all. Every single fucking time.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Which? Ill try get some.
Because when i say 'you' people get confused and think i mean them not you all.
1 YallBot1000 2018-05-22
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1 Tony_Danza_the_boss 2018-05-22
"Y'all"
1 Loser_irl 2018-05-22
Howdy Y'all
1 YallBot1000 2018-05-22
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1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
It's impressive how you manage a knee-jerk reaction in text. Women, eh?
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Sorry, what do you mean by knee jerk reaction?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
The "no" and "yes" in the same sentence.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Ah. Okay, i didn't mean it offensively i just think you should call stop wallowing in self pity.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Nah, I won't shut up in the place that is supposed to be mine.
Thanks for the suggestion though, it's absoluuuutely apprreeciated. Yeah...
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Aight chill out, i just wish i could help you all but most of you just cause your own misery, ive done it to myself in other circumstances and its upsetting. I won't be condescending and say i wanna hug you and say youre loved but you guys could ignore inceltears and braincels and be happier about it all...
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
she said, condescendingly.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Didnt mean to come across like that, sorry fam
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
show proof
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Of what
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
your bf being a 4/10
watch him be chadly
or he is a normie but you're fat
1 Mantisandthegulls 2018-05-22
The burden of proof is on you since you’re making the extreme claim. Good luck!
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Eat shit white knight
1 Mantisandthegulls 2018-05-22
Wonderful arguing technique you have. Hope it gets you somewhere.
1 otter6461a 2018-05-22
Almost 100% of girls say they are not like other girls. It’s literally the most “like other girls” thing you could say.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Yeah cause they're only Chadlite, not Chad.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
They're kinda ugly tbh...
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
aka more like Chad
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Suuuure, give me an example image of a 'chad'
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
https://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE3MjY0MDY1Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNDc5MzA1MDI@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,772,1000_AL_.jpg
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Why are his eyes going in different fucking directions
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Yeah you'd be so creeped out if he said hi to you. And there's nothing wrong with his eyes, I think your perception of the image may have momentarily slightly warped, possibly due to dilating pupils and diverted blood flow.
https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/averagemanmichaelwhatley.jpg?w=1024
This man is so much more attractive, right?
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Id walk away silently but i have mild social anxiety so....?
Uhm nope that happens when you get emotionally attached to someone plz get your facts straight :)
Honestly, yes. Id much rather be friends with / date / fuck / etc him than Mr CarbonCopy
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
You mean Chad induced shyness?
That's what happens when you experience arousal.
TBH sounds like you're just one of those insecure girls who're afraid Chad would cheat on them. It doesn't mean you're viscerally more attracted to ugly dudes than Chad, it just means you think they're safer relationships, because you don't feel you're good enough for Chad.
That's fucked up, and that kind of mentality leads to infidelity down the line.
And Jordan Barrett (here's 20 bucks that says you go google that name) is anything but a carbon copy. He stands out, that's why he's a model.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
I mean i cant speak in front of more than 4 of my friends at once because i get so anxious.
Ive never been aroused just looking at someones face... Ill have to take your word for it.
I would be afraid of anyone cheating on me because i have a very very low self esteem.
I dont particularly like relationships anyway. All i want is a close friend who i can trust to watch my back and cuddle while i eat pizza and watch netflix.
I would still shag the second guy over the chad i think the chad is ugly and id only shag him if he gave me £200 for it cuz then at least im getting something.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Thanks for confirming it for me, fam. Woman naturally perceive Chad as a more dangerous long term partner, but attractive woman are more likely to report preference for Chad and women are more likely to report preference for Chad if they are assured he will be faithful.
The issue for fidelity comes into play when you're in a relationship with a man you like because he's safe and non-Chad, but that time of the month rolls around (I'm referring to ovulation, not menstruation) and your preference for Chad is heightened (also a well documented fact), and you realize Chad doesn't need to commit if you just fuck him and have your nice Beta at home to take care of you.
And of course you've never just gotten aroused at a guy's face before, you're boyfriend is 4/10 by your own admission.
If you get to the end of your life without cheating on your boyfriend/husband, I will contribute heavily to your inheritance to your descendants.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Dangerous to my will to live
Hes ugly. Face facts not all girls are evil.
Im in a relationship because he (my bf) is a nice person who loves me, not cause of his looks.
Nope
Proof?
That's cheating ew no
Any guy not my bf, no chad has ever made me horny. It sounds awful and cringey but my biggest turn on is a guy who finds me attractive for me, not because he can insult me then dump me
if you get a wife or girlfriend whos had sex before and dont once call her a roastie ill literally be your willing slave
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
But you recognize the way in which they are dangerous to you here:
.
Unfortunately the evidence I've read makes it seem like you're part of the women in the studies with the bad self esteem, which leads them to measure themselves as not able to keep a Chad loyal to them. You've already admitted straight up to having bad self esteem, so I don't see why you can't at least consider this point.
And I don't mind that you have this preference, I don't call you evil for it. I'd call you evil for your inevitable infidelity, though.
It's well documented that women's preference for facial masculinity increases when they ovulate. This leads people to conclude that this is part of women's dual mating strategy, in which they may have a safe less masculine partner to take care of them, and a very masculine partner to impregnate them.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513899000331
Again you're just feeding into my point. What you look for in a man is subservience (and view a man with a high sexual market value as not subserviant) but this is the kind of relationship dynamic that creates dead bedrooms and infidelity.
I don't seriously date women that aren't virgins, so I would never have a wife or girlfriend that's had sex before.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Dangerous as in i would rather hang myself than date a chad
Ok, let me try again. I DO NOT FIND CHADS ANY. MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN ANYONE ELSE AND IF ANYTHING I WOULD AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS. NOT BECAUSE OF MY SELF ESTEEM. BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT LOOKS I WANT SOMEONE WHO TREATS ME LIKE AN EQUAL.
Whoodeedo an incel with at least part of a brain.
Fair enough, but personally ive never experienced this when im ovulating i get overrun with hormones eat ice cream cry because i get more spots and watch netflix alone. When im on my period i get aggressively horny and i am all over mg boyfriend as soon as i see him, not all over chads.
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about you totally lost me, but ill have a go anyway.
I dont want a guy just because hes available or a 'save' choice.
There will never be a dead bedroom with me because i have highly repressed sexual desires and massive 'problems' around sex in general. (Wont be specific cuz of my own privacy)
Should probably google this cuz u keep using it but i aint gonna cuz im lazy
Why?
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
And again, I just don't have any reason to believe you when the evidence contradicts you.
Apparently having a "part of a brain" means not being mean to you.
Do you not take birth control?
See my first statement, with consideration for the wealth of evidence I've seen, I just don't believe you. This dynamic is incredibly well documented.
Uh, doesn't that guarantee a dead bedroom? Dead bedroom = no sex happening.
Another very well documented fact is that marriages in which the wife only ever had sex with her husband are the most likely to succeed.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
^ is a hyperbole so....
Savaaaaage boiiiiii gj i walked into that
No im waiting till im 20 because i want my hormomes to sort their shit out before i fuck with them more
Well idk what to say believe me or dont changes nothing for me.
No, i repressed being sexual for so long it kinda comes out massively now, and my 'problems' cause many weird kinks so my boyfriend fuckin loves it haha
I believe marriage should be rejected, both from personal experience with family members and their marriages and from a philosophy students POV because of its connotations with the church and controlling people. But you do you good luck to you fam
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Thanks for sharing your personal thoughts, but they're not relevant.
Success of marriage vs promiscuity just shows you that the more you fuck, the worse your chances of being able to stay in a long term relationship are.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Wow calm down mate. Marriage works for people who believe in being with one person forever or going to hell. Ya know? The people who get into a contract with their partner and God? So. People who dont get married. Don't have those opinions. So its not actually marriage. Its the opinion of being with one person. Also half of all marriages end in divorce.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
So what, you're saying you wouldn't find it desirable to be able to stay happy with one person for your whole life?
And less than 10% of marriages in which the wife was a virgin end in divorce.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
But does that take into account the vast amount of girls who get pulled into a relationship and marriage at a young age and have no idea how to leave their partner? Statistics cant always be trusted im just saying even if you marry a virgin it wont necessarily be perfect. What happens if you find a girl whos a 7, loves you for personality and looks, has the same interests, seems perfect, but shes fucked 5 guys? (Not hating just curious)
And no i wouldn't find it desirable but i have problems with being in relatonships because as soon as i get into one i try leave because i hate feeling trapped with someone so :/ thats just me though i do understand most people want someone to be with forever (however as you pointed out before (might have been you lost track of people and threads sorry if it wasn't) we are designed to fuck and dump to reproduce...)
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
It notes a correlation with the fact that generally the longer women wait to have sex, the more likely they will be to have fewer sexual partners. So if anything, these women waiting til marriage are older than average.
Yeah, up to a 10% chance. That's still the best predictor I've ever seen in my life.
That's beyond fucked up. You need therapy more than anyone else in this sub. 20 bucks says you've got self harm scars.
Probably not something I said, I'm a little bit more sophisticated on the topic of evolution. Genes exist to create more genes by virtue of the fact that genes that exist more exist more. This doesn't mean that the best way to gain genetic dominance is to be promiscuous.
It is observed that the greater the sexual restraint in a society, the greater the society. In other words, if we enforce monogamy, and aren't just fucking around all the time, we can easily displace groups that do just fuck around all the time.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Yea i fucking know mate. I am getting it and i do have them.
Ooooh Dawkins fan, the 'selfish gene' idea... Completely agree and sorry for getting you confused aha.
To am extent yes, but that doesnt mean we cant have sex for pleasure. (I dont wanna get to far into ethics in case i lose you cuz idk what you know and dont, but - its like higher and lower pleasures, sex being lower and fine dining being higher, some people say we should reject lower pleasures over higher but i follow the idea that satisfying lower pleasures helps us gain higher pleasures.) Who works better, someone who has sex for pleasure or someone who is pent up and frustrated? Same goes for tiredness and hunger etc. Similar to the 'holoship' in the BBC tv show Red Dwarf (its good you should watch it if you haven't) where sex is a basic pleasure and they do it thoughtlessly because reproduction isn't necessary and its treated as casually as a hug and its rude to refuse.
WOW we got off topic oopsie...
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
If you don't mind me asking: You've said you're younger than 20, but how many sexual partners have you had?
I didn't imply that. Sex is clearly an important bonding tool, people should fuck all the time, provided it's part of a strict monogamous relationships that's supposed to last until death do them part.
That's how the big man Aldous Huxley saw it. Now I don't agree with him on the drug use and new wave perennialism, but the sex thing is fine.
Well loads of spiritualist communities practiced semen retention, because they believed it made them work better, so the answer there isn't cut and dry.
Overall, it's just a fact that a promiscuous society is a primitive society. I don't really consider Red Dwarf to be an authority on this topic, nor Star Trek for that matter.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
One
What if you both decide later on in the relationship that you want to move on, people arnt always meant to be in your life forever.
True.
Not necessarily.
Its the idea of a society like that, not the actual science behind it.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
And you haven't broken up with him yet? I'm confused.
I like to think that a relationship becomes of true value if you stick together through such obstacles.
necessarily
ˈnɛsəs(ə)rɪli,ˌnɛsəˈsɛrɪli/Submit
adverb:
as a necessary result; inevitably.
So yes, necessarily. That's what the empirical evidence shows, and I understand some fundamental principles as to why. Those being that monogamy is critically important to society because it keeps lower tiers of men from getting violent, and because it keeps all men able to be comfortable in investing in their children, thereby allowing society to exist. It's also a very powerful eugenic force, nuclear monogamy specifically. Look up the Hajnal line.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Why
Ah I see.
Honestly cba anymore its nearly 11pm u win
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
"i have problems with being in relatonships because as soon as i get into one i try leave because i hate feeling trapped with someone so :/" - you
Oh, and looking back at the comment in which you wrote that, I didn't actually answer your question. No, virginity is an absolute rule that I don't allow myself to break. Under no circumstance would I invest emotionally or financially in a woman who wasn't a virgin.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Fair. Im staying because hes a close friend anyway and hes got enough to deal with atm i wanna stand by him
Oh. Seems a bit stupid to me but thats just personal opinion i guess. Anyway good luck with that fam. Im going to bed.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Good luck. Hope you don't screw it up.
As I said, it's the best predictor I've ever seen. Virgin = Over a 90% chance of success. I've never seen any other trait mapped this way. So, as I said, as long as she's a virgin I'm willing to give any kind of girl a shot.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Thanks. I hope so too aha
Sounds like a better plan than most incels have. Good for you.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
If I was an incel, there'd be no way I'd have a chance with a virgin in today's landscape.
If you want ammo to accuse me with of personal investment in our earlier argument: I have most "Chad" facial characteristics, so I have great success with women. I'm allowed to be picky for this reason.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Well thanks for being honest, but 'pretty boy's just aint my style. I only get attracted to people I know and trust.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
That wasn't an absolute statement, it's just a possible caveat. I still stand by every assertion I made.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Caveat?
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
"a warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations."
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
yall nibbas arguing too long
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1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Yeet dabs
1 Rozeline 2018-05-22
Really? We do? Gosh, thanks for letting me know! I have to go tell my socially awkward Mexican boyfriend! /s
Real talk, though, everyone has different taste. These guys are hot to some people, some people find them generic. If you treat all women like they're clones of each other you won't be able to have a relationship. Nobody wants to be with someone who treats them like a stereotype. Would you want to be with a woman who treated you like a dopey, car guy sitcom character? Probably not, because that sounds shitty.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
T. fat purple haired le reddit female
1 Rozeline 2018-05-22
Former fat, thanks to my loving parents for giving me an extremely unhealthy relationship with food that they partially used to replace affection. Yay parental neglect! I dropped over 60lbs and gained a bunch of muscle tone. It's pretty fun having strong arms. You can lose weight too. It actually isn't that hard once you get through the first month or so, though it's hell to start with. Purple hair isn't for everyone, but I've been dying it for about 10 years now, so I don't feel like myself without some unnatural color. Plus, if you dye your hair a vibrant color, it makes every outfit you wear look like you're some sort of cool punk rocker even if you're just in sweats. But, really, I think everyone has potential to better themselves, even the emotionally broken. Overcoming abuse and mental issues is really hard and it takes a long time and a lot of effort, but it can be done. I know this because I'm in the process of doing that and even though sometimes it feels like the world is just going to keep flinging shit at you, it feels good to look back and see that you're a better version of yourself than you were month ago.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Jesus you're an even bigger mess than I thought. Leave you used up thot
1 Rozeline 2018-05-22
Lol hit kettle, I'm pot.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Makes no sense
1 buttrice 2018-05-22
hey rozeline you seem like a decent person, do yourself a favor and just avoid this subreddit. all of the incels here have confirmation bias anyway, you can't get through to them. that's why they're incels.
1 Rozeline 2018-05-22
Yeah, it's too bad. I hate seeing people suffer, even if they are doing it to themselves.
1 baela_ 2018-05-22
The show usually has the same type of women as contestants too, couples tend to match each other that way sometimes so it makes sense
1 Rabidondayz 2018-05-22
I don’t look like these guys and I have a girlfriend. What are you on about?
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Are you honestly genuinely retarded? I'm curious.
1 Rabidondayz 2018-05-22
Classic incel response. Take a shower once in a while and you might pique some female interest. Or maybe pursue a female that’s actually in your league.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Ahahahahahaha this is too good
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
the thing I hate most about roasties is that they all like the same guy
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
Contrary to incel sheepledge, studies show that men show less variation than women when it comes to identifying an attractive member of the opposite sex. Ie. men all like the same girls.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
what you think is objectively an attractive female != what YOU are attracted to
meanwhile women:
http://i.imgur.com/2MstAzl.gif
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
Conveniently removed the part from that same study showing that men overwhelmingly messaged the most attractive women over the least attractive women, whereas women pretty much messaged all men equally with only a slight shift towards higher attractiveness.
1 hidden_penguin 2018-05-22
Link?
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
Given that less attractive women are not likely to have lower standards, why would you expect more men to message less attractive women. For a hot guy, it makes sense to message the hot girls. For a non-hot guy, it makes sense to message both hot and homely girls. Thus, of course hot girls will receive more messages.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-22
Such a devastating black pill OKC had it disappeared down the memory hole. In fact it seems that all the data OKC releases just further debunks its business model.
1 BlatantNapping 2018-05-22
While complaining about a show that to be successful would need to pick "objectively" attractive men.
1 undeadcel 2018-05-22
men fuck and date everything
1 literallyarealperson 2018-05-22
Exactly what what people do, not what they say. Especially for women, because they are dishonest, particularly with regards to sexual and social matters.
1 DarwinianKEKistani 2018-05-22
No study says what he said. Im a med student and although a volcel mgtow ive read a lot of evo psych... Which is the science that confirms a lot of what we are saying
1 BeginnerSwimmer 2018-05-22
Evolutionary psychology is basically speculation. You can't conduct experiments or even gather observational data on humans who existed 3,000 years ago. Furthermore, the gender theories that exist within evo psych don't tend to hold true when applied cross culturally.
This isn't to say it evolutionary psychology should never be considered, just that it shouldn't be viewed as a conclusive explanation of all behaviors and motivations.
1 reanimatedjimjones 2018-05-22
Fuck yes, date no
I've fucksd some gross bitches but I would never want to be seen in public with them
1 undeadcel 2018-05-22
lol
1 Crackcel 2018-05-22
Link it.
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
http://www.michelleschoenleber.com/uploads/5/4/0/4/5404776/wood___brumbaugh__2009_.pdf
1 Khungghar 2018-05-22
Female sexuality is much more complex than men's so it is absolutely true that women show more variation than men while judging someone's attractiveness.
However, women's attraction is much weaker because they are affected by their hormonal cycles(preferring more masculine men during ovulation), preselection and they focus on turnoffs much more than turnons which can result in a woman completely losing attraction just from a single turnoff. They also lose sexual desire for their partners much faster compared to men.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
You might want to read the actual papers before citing them. That's how you can avoid silly slip-ups like this. :P
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
It's not a slip-up.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
Oh, so it's a straight out lie then.
1 Plague-Lord 2018-05-22
That couldnt be more backwards. There are guys with a fetish for all shapes and sizes of women and any flaw you can think of. On the other side theres only like 3 body types women want (lean & athletic, big & jacked, or tall & skinny), and if a guy is some combo of short, ugly, balding, fat, etc he is invisible to women. You have it on easy mode.
1 Broad_Gaming 2018-05-22
Why do a complete 180 degrees lie? Those types of lies aren't believed by anyone. Are you dumb or are you just pretending?
1 Chadbutblackpilled 2018-05-22
Link studies? Doubt you can because it seems like a really hard thing to do a study on.
1 maskedcel 2018-05-22
🖕
1 n00f 2018-05-22
All men like the same girl Ie. Any girl that is in reasonable shape that takes care of herself.
1 coke_and_rum 2018-05-22
It probably means men like youthfullness and child-rearing hips. So what? Compared to American women, American men have no dominant racial preference (compared to women who strongly prefer White men), are more likely to find the average person of the opposite sex attractive, care less about height, care less about age, care less about income, and care less about facial features.
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
No, check my link.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
I think you're assuming women use the masculine mate evaluation method (mostly looks), which is quite an adorably masculine sort of mistake to make. But the feminine evaluation method for men is actually a lot more complicated than that.
There are so many different ways for a man to be attractive. Men jerk it mostly to pictures and videos, but women prefer different stimulation when they touch themselves, they read! If anything, the prevalence of romance novels should be an indication enough that women aren't really visual creatures. And if you look at the variation in the different male leads in women's romance novels. While there are some common traits, like needing to be fixed in some way, being attractive, forceful, and strong-willed, the other elements can vary wildly. For women the equation looks something like:
Some intelligence + some leader-like ability + some looks + some romanticness + some competence (or ambitions of being competent, often represented with status) + being fix-able in some way.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
That is not what we are saying, genetics and looks is the most powerful indicator of masculinity. Of course, in a book like that, the guy is going to have all those other masculine features as well, because it's fantasy. Nonetheless, looking masculine, being reasonably tall, square-jawed etc is the ideal man for every woman. The variations are irrelevant because what matters stays the same. That is why they all like the same guy.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
First, in your example, "nice to everyone", thats not attractive at all. Women aren't attracted to meek compliant men, women want bold and forceful males who are willing to challenge other people. And women are definitely attracted to blonde guys with blue eyes. As for paleness, I will point you in the direction of the absurd number of vampire romance novels, who are often explicitly stated as being pale.
Secondly, you have it completely ass-backwards. Just because there are common traits that women find attractive, that doesn't mean its all the same guy. Let me give you an example; In Twilight (2nd best selling romance novel of all time) You have Edward Cullen (vampire) and Jacob Black (werewolf). These two are quite different and are attractive to Belle for completely different reasons. Edward is romantic and extremely disciplined and resilient, he's quiet, intriguing, and mysterious. Meanwhile Jacob is a jock, he's extroverted, he's a leader, aggressive, he's violent, and he's unpredictable. They are both exceptional males with forceful personalities who have fix-able personal problems, and that's where their similarities end.
1 ButeoIncelicus 2018-05-22
If you search Google Images for "romance novel covers" you get a shitload of covers with guys that all look like a stereotypical Chad.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Attractiveness is a factor, but women aren't just staring at the cover the whole time. If women wanted to do that they wouldn't be reading romance novels in overwhelming proportions in comparison other ways of getting off.
1 CaliValiOfficial 2018-05-22
Look you’re not 100% wrong, but you’re also wrong
Women care about looks. We ALL care about looks. When I’m fat, low attention. When I’m leaned out, High attention & constant flirting. My personality didn’t change, im the exact same person, but looking good (or healthy af) is a major point.
I know what you’re trying to learn, but to put it in words that probably suit you better.
A GOOD LOOKING, FIT MAN, MAKES HER WANT HIS GENETICS FOR HER OFFSPRING.
Which... that felt weird to type
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Its true, but will you at least acknowledge that personality is not completely irrelevant?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Without the looks personality is irrelevant.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
And you're implying with looks it does become relevant?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Yes, relevant in mate selection.
1 LinksLight 2018-05-22
I would say yes. Women start caring about personality, hobbies etc after they've narrowed down to the group of tall handsome men to choose from.
1 Green_Toe 2018-05-22
I just lurk here for lulz, but I have an absolute shit personality and women absolutely love me. Want to hazard a guess as to why? These guys are wrong on a lot things but their foundation seems sound.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
If you can actually have a conversation, then thats not a shit personality. If you're challenging and playful (like right now), thats not a shit personality. If you're so confident that women absolutely love you, then thats not a shit personality. If you can give credit to people while also criticizing them
1 ThePinkPeptoBismol 2018-05-22
I'm a chubby brown man. Weak chin (although I offset that with a beard) thick nose, etc... Point is, I'm not good looking. Nonetheless I've never struggled with girls. Not "hauling in pussy", but never been at point in my life where I don't get any female attention.
Learning to have fun with girls, avoiding creepiness or entitlement goes a long way. Currently in a relationship with a beautiful girl. Definitely not a looks based relationship.
The reason why your personality is irrelevant to girls around you is because your personality is irrelevant to you.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
First of all, anecdotes do not dispute the rule.
Second of all, you might be evenly matched with your partner. Good for you still, I'm happy that you've found happiness.
I was speaking in generalities but thanks for playing. Making it personal - definitely the move never tried before by anyone.
1 ThePinkPeptoBismol 2018-05-22
I didn't mean you as in personally you. I meant that if you make it super relevant eventually that will lead to be with people that think it relevant too. I can see that you're not being unreasonable or anything. If you truly believe the rule is for girls to be like that, then you know there are also outliers. Make it very much about your personality and eventually you find those outliers.
1 CaliValiOfficial 2018-05-22
That’s also trash. Looks aren’t 100% everything.
An ugly man can still get a stunner... if he’s stacking cash.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
L M S, right. You know why L comes first every time though?
1 CaliValiOfficial 2018-05-22
No explain please :)
Also L M S?
I’m assuming looks, money, &....... sex???
1 literallyarealperson 2018-05-22
Mega cope.
They read, and ALL picture the same male archetype: Large skeleton, toned muscles, defined skull, thick hair.
In real life, men come in many shapes and sizes that overwhelmingly most women absolutely never fantasize about. THATS WHY WOMEN ACTUALLY REFER TO A SELECT FEW MEN AS "REAL MEN". Many many women actually use this term when describing attractive men lmao. Meanwhile, also in real life, outside of the way you apparently want to see things, men literally jerk it to photos and videos of all different kinds of women! There's big ass porn, small tits porn, BBW porn, ect. Men are obviously the ones with more varied sexual tastes in real life! WOMEN ARE BASICALLY ONLY ATTRACTED TO MEN WITH A GENETIC CONVENIENCE TO POWER AND AUTHORITY; Women are only sexually attracted to guys that look like they can beat up other men. Women are the lookists of our species, not men. Stop coping.
Btw: Women don't care for behavioral traits nearly as much as the physical ones; women literally appreciate a man's behavioral traits through his physical composition primarily.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
If women just care about looks and genetic desirability then why not look at pictures instead of reading like most women do?
1 Minesk 2018-05-22
They do both.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
One overwhelming more so than the other.
1 Minesk 2018-05-22
Tell that to my friends who watch Kpop shows all day and swoon over boys in magazines. Just because reading takes more time doesn't mean women read more than they look at photos.
I get your point that it takes more than looks for a woman to commit, but lookism and hypergamy are indeed true. Women usually don't date or marry down. Maybe they will lower their standards as the relationship goes, but the guys here are talking about dating culture where appearance is what get you in the door in the first place. They may seem bitter and pathetic, but they have a point.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
I know looks help, but have you ever heard of making a good first impression?
There is such a thing as a sexy personality, I know because I've been told so many times that I have one and I'm not even remotely physically attractive. What you say and how you behave also influences people's opinion of you, because in relationships men are active and women are passive, men have to be appealing through action rather than inaction, and the more active a role you play the bigger impact your biases and decision-making (your personality) has on the outcome compared to the more passive party in the interaction.
1 Incelvester 2018-05-22
Are you sure about that
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
In personality, you shallow mongrel.
1 Incelvester 2018-05-22
Lmfao! That's fucking rich
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Have you ever even read a single romance novel before? Because I have. I'm not just staring at the covers like you are.
1 bonusfruit 2018-05-22
There isn't a single romance novel or erotic internet story featuring a short fat balding guy with lumpy facial features. The guys are always described in detail, creating an image in the womans mind. And they are always tall, always fit, always with pleasing features. Just because women get off from reading words doesn't make them deeper or less visual. Their sexual proclivities are in fact quite simplistic and predictable
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Then why not just look at pictures or videos like men do?
1 bonusfruit 2018-05-22
Like the box office smash fifty shades?
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Did you know that the book it's based on sold better than the movie did?
1 bonusfruit 2018-05-22
Why is that relevant. At this point you are merely throwing out points for no reason
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
The book did better than the movie did. As in, women were lured in when using words more so than with images.
Listen buddy, you can slice it however you like but at the end of the day women always end up finding behaviors, actions, and words more appealing than just looks for looks' sake.
1 bonusfruit 2018-05-22
Until you find popular erotic literature for women that either doesn't use words to describe the mans appearance or uses words to describe an ugly man, my point stands. In female sexual fantasy, male appearance matters over all other factors.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Sure, it describes what he looks like and he looks attractive, you want porn where the stars aren't attractive? But I've read a few romance novels and they're mostly describing actions and behaviors. And even when describing what he looks like, its always in the context of him doing something actively.
1 BeginnerSwimmer 2018-05-22
Do you fantasize about fat women with thinning hair?
1 bonusfruit 2018-05-22
Irrelevant, since I was responding to someone claiming womens sexual attraction wasn't measured visually like men. It's already understood that mens sexual attraction is visual. Theres nothing to contend
1 BeginnerSwimmer 2018-05-22
Is that a no?
No one is claiming physical attraction has nothing to do with sexual attraction for women. I'm trying to point out to you that you are getting angry at women for something that we all do. Erotic novels do not represent reality. They are just fantasies. You probably fantasize about being with someone really attractive to you, so how does it not make sense that women do the same?
I understand that it sucks that you don't see yourself represented in these lady fantasies, but these books are also churned out to sell (how they do, I don't know)--they're formulaic and the characters are story-lines are pretty cookie cutter. If there is no diversity to choose from, women can't really read about guys other than archetypal Chads. I definitely would like to see more diversity in porn and erotica. For everyone.
1 bonusfruit 2018-05-22
I'm not angry or opposed to womens preferences in any way. It is what it is. The only reason I commented was to counter the claim that women weren't visual like men. They are, to an extreme degree. To the degree that a mans actions and behavior become arousing or creepy depending solely on his appearance. I ascribe no value judgment or emotion to that fact. I only get pissed when people deny it to save face
1 BeginnerSwimmer 2018-05-22
I getcha.
I know it probably doesn't feel like it, but I really don't think women are out to get incels. I've seen women get creeped out by all kinds of dudes--Chads too. I think it has more to do with unwanted attention/advances than appearance, but there are definitely some shallow people out there who are rude to those they view as beneath them.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Post studies
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
I never said attractiveness wasn't a factor. And I you don't need a study to prove that to me, if you actually read my comment before replying to it.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
You're implying men are visual creatures while women are not. I proved you wrong.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
"While there are some common traits, like needing to be fixed in some way, being attractive, forceful, and strong-willed, the other elements can vary wildly."
Why would someone reply to a comment without even reading it?
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19558447
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
I don't think you can use results from speed dating as something that simulates reality.
First of all, theres the kind of person who would be interested in something like this, and I would wager that sort of person would already be confident in their desirability but too socially awkward to attract someone under normal circumstances or are really picky and want to sample as many people as they can possibly manage, but also shallow enough to assume they can decide wether or not they are willing to get into a relationship with with a complete stranger based on a single brief superficial conversation. And I would wager that most of them went into it with a short-term relationship in mind anyway. So from the outset, you have a biased sample.
Second problem with this study is that it actually took people's word for it, as in it assumed people knew why they liked someone or that they knew wether or not they liked someone. Now I know you've heard about the halo effect, and that good looks will cause people to attribute positive personal qualities, but there's no reason to believe the opposite can't be true. People's motivations for even the simplest actions are not isolated from the unity, they are a product of an overwhelming number of converging factors, some competely out their control, and most hidden behind the curtain of their subconscious. I think most people aren't introspective enough or understand themselves well enough to actually tell you why they like some people and not others, and its not like I'm saying I'm much better either.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x
For short term relationships, only physical appearance is a predictor of attraction. For long term partnerships, personality plays a role, assuming you meet the minimum of physical attractiveness.
This dynamic is identical for both men and women. Pretending women are above men and are not physically oriented in the way men are is WRONG.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Its not as wrong as women are attracted to status, which is undeniably influenced by personal qualities. And we can go a step further than this and say that there would have been selection pressures on females to identify and enter into a commited relationship early with a potentially successful male (potential that is undeniably an elemeny of what you would call a personality) before that potential can be realized and he would be out of her reach.
I mean you only have to think about this for 5 minutes. What do women select for? Status or potential. What do men select for? Youthfulness (attractiveness). Because women's fertility declines much more rapidly as they age compared to men, and men typically increase in status in the same amount of time. It doesn't take much of a genius to figure out the fact that there would be more selection pressures for men to be more interested in appearance than women.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
hooo man
Here's what women actually select for:
http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
And I don't think you really did much to address my point here, you kind of supported it.
What you've said is that women select for "personality" aka someone who would make a good father. Men do the exact same thing.
Both sexes also select for physical appearance.
Women are not less visual than men. Women are willing to trade their desire for physical appearance for ability to acquire resources, in the same way men are willing to trade physical appearance for loyalty.
The problem is that in the western world, women don't need men for resources, so they only select for Chad.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
The study finds no such effect.
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
We don't like any of you because you call us roasties and are a little bitch who can't even talk to us but will talk shit about us online, like a little pathetic virgin bitch. Btw, I've had several guys and I don't have what you call 'roasties', so nice bad womens anatomy.
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-05-22
Lmao, soiled your nappy crying? You done now?
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
KEK
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
Yet somehow I still get sex and am happy overall. Hmm what am I doing wrong?! Please tell me, you'll know how to fix this right?
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
be happy with your roast pussy then idc
1 Incelvester 2018-05-22
Yeah, its called being a woman, literally all you have to do is exist, and men will come to you. Sex is literally 1 right swipe away for almost all women
1 ReadMyHistoryBitch 2018-05-22
It’s hilarious that they’re so unaware that they think wanting to be fucked is an accomplishment.
1 jason_brody13 2018-05-22
You are absolutely delusional.
1 Ser_Anonymous 2018-05-22
You’re retarded. Now I see why people joke about this subreddit and call it a shithole.
1 ReadMyHistoryBitch 2018-05-22
Nice reasoning you gave. Oh wait you have no reason except that your feelings are hurt by facts. Dipshit.
1 Ser_Anonymous 2018-05-22
Yep, facts. Keep sadly wallowing in your delusion, you pitiful cunt. I’m not going to be bothered to argue with retards.
1 jason_brody13 2018-05-22
It's called being a human, learn it chump. You think feeling sorry for your pathetic self is going to help you any? Lol, you make me laugh. I'm a boney, pale, awkward, anxiety ridden loser of a man and I still get laid. Shut the fuck up with your pity part bullshit. Apply yourself and try. You've already given up, all of you fucks are quitters. YOU ARE ALL QUITTERS!!!! You'd might as well buy a fucking rope if you catch my drift.
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-22
Getting sex as a woman is literally the easiest thing in the world to do. The fact that you treat it like an accomplishment and a point of pride speaks volumes about you as a person.
That’s like me bragging about not shitting my pants on my way to work.
1 Moist___ 2018-05-22
Kek, I like the analogy
1 TalesAbound 2018-05-22
Who are you trying to convince of that?
1 jason_brody13 2018-05-22
Idk what your deleted post said, but I'm sure it was on point. Don't worry about these fucking losers, it's best not to pay them any attention. Maybe if these selfish fuckfaces learned a little compasion, empathy, patience, and a little hard work then they'd get laid. But for now they can get fucked lol. Hmm, maybe they need to learn to love themselves or something. Idk, its best not to tey and argue with these subhumans.
1 ibrushwithmayo 2018-05-22
Why would you think they know anything about women's anatomy? And why would they, for that matter
1 ChromeHomeDome 2018-05-22
Roastie is a meme, low IQ comment.
1 samurai96 2018-05-22
Needed an update: what's a roastie and why?
1 ledditorxD 2018-05-22
Tall, dark and handsome is not a meme. It's the truth.
1 Fummy 2018-05-22
What do they mean by dark? These guys are fair skinned.
1 Who_watches 2018-05-22
dair hair and eyes
1 dankmaymes 2018-05-22
they prefer blue eyes but dark hair
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-05-22
green eyes win
1 dankmaymes 2018-05-22
eh...only cos they're rare. they don't look that good imo
1 ironycel 2018-05-22
Tfw green eyes PepeHands
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-05-22
I unironically get told that my eye color is beautiful, even by some women around my age.
They’re green.
I know for a fact that I would be uglier than I already am with brown eyes. IMHO “just don’t have brown” is the theory to go for most phenotypes. Some phenotypes can rock brown eyes though (like for instance, lachowski).
1 frankwashere44 2018-05-22
Eye colour gets halo'd by facial harmony. Same as hair.
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-22
lol@cope. when you've actually got grass green eyes its all people mention to you
1 dankmaymes 2018-05-22
Yeah but people very rarely have eyes THAT green, most people who screech about having green eyes just have this dull colour
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-22
Black hair and blue eyes is the best combo, and it's better than black hair and green eyes. The contrast is what makes it so good. This is one of the reasons why Prince Eric is one of, if not the most handsome Disney princes.
Green eyes with any other hair colour is better though. Green eyes can easily be mistaken for brown eyes, that's why it isn't that great with black hair.
1 frankwashere44 2018-05-22
Eye colour and hair are halo'd by FACE
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-22
Obviously, but certain features stand our more and are more attractive. Giving a more powerful halo effect.
1 ItsOkToBeBlack 2018-05-22
Prince Aladin
1 CommunityCollegeHogg 2018-05-22
Eye color is cope, especially if you're white. Colored eyes only make you more attractive if you're a minority (e.g. Jeremy Meeks.)
1 Flyn95 2018-05-22
eye colour is cope cause the shape matters rly not colour
1 ledditorxD 2018-05-22
This. It's all about hunter eyes in the end.
1 frankwashere44 2018-05-22
Thick/long eyelashes and hunter eyes makes them "dark".
1 iStar08 2018-05-22
Dark features. Eyebrows, hair, facial hair.
1 RickyBalboah3690 2018-05-22
Dark hair, tannish skin. Arnold Schwarzenegger for example.
1 Dzhugashvili78 2018-05-22
It's a saying among white people. They're talking about white guys with darker features like Pierce Brosnan or Colin Farrell.
1 Flyn95 2018-05-22
no dark = mysterious personality
1 m6ke 2018-05-22
Yep. I live in a almost 100% white country and it’s a saying here. Light features means blues eyes/blonde hair here.
1 Vrishkin 2018-05-22
Italian/Greek/Spanish. Like a Latin Lover
1 Currycell92 2018-05-22
No. It is not literal, more metaphorical.. Dark = mysterious.
1 ledditorxD 2018-05-22
Sun tanned white skin, dark hair and eyebrows.
1 Flyn95 2018-05-22
dark means , mysterious personality . not the skin lol .
1 Incel4Life 2018-05-22
They mean Indian.
1 IsThisRealReddit 2018-05-22
If you‘re dark and handsame you can also be average height or a little below average height
1 ItsOkToBeBlack 2018-05-22
Tall and dark..... hey I'm dravidian !
1 literallyarealperson 2018-05-22
Media = eugenics
Women don't have the brains nor hearts to develop sincere unique preferences. They only want what other women appear to want. They only want what they think will make themselves look good. Men are not human beings to women, men are objects to women. This is why women's hypergamy exists in the first place, because of how they truly value men....as objects, not people.
Enough Women Are Like That
1 DukeBluee 2018-05-22
Why single women out? This affects women and men alike. You clearly saw this picture and noticed these guys were attractive. Why? Becuase of european standards of beauty dominating the media and outlets. Don't assume its simply an issue affecting women, because it causes all of you to feel like shit inside as well.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Dude, it's not the issue for women though
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-22
Those guys are European because we live in a European dominated society, obviously. What we have a problem with is women getting to chase a small minority of guys while we have to pay for all their welfare and casual sex.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
There are no women who end up completely disqualified from the market.
1 DukeBluee 2018-05-22
Im talking about how the media warps peoples views of beauty.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
Yep, my point stands. Stop being a disgusting sexist.
1 DukeBluee 2018-05-22
Okay cool, whenever you can, send me your data that clearly shows that no women are ever left without a partner. Im sure you spent years collecting and analysing the data to be able to make such bold statements.
Please, go outside or something to get some real perspective on things, rather than the false claims that are thrown around here. I assure you women have it just as hard as guys do in the dating scene. That is why the lonely women with 9 cats trope exists.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
No. You show me incel women if you want to make this a debate. I'm not going to entertain your bullshit here, retard.
1 quickbucket 2018-05-22
lol oh they exist. they just dont hang around this bitching and moaning about it.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
I don't think they do. If you want to convince me or anyone else that they do, show us.
1 IggySoda 2018-05-22
Bull shit.
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
Actually, studies show that men's preferences are less varied than women's.
1 literallyarealperson 2018-05-22
Men have preferences
Women have requirements
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-22
http://i.imgur.com/2MstAzl.gif
No. Men's rating of female attractiveness would seem to be distributed how one would expect. Most women are rated average with very few being extremely attractive or unattractive.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
No, they don't.
1 shabangcohen 2018-05-22
Literally your entire comment is valuing women as objects not people. Dafuq
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
I have more brains than you. I bet you typed this out and then wondered why no woman is into you. You're such a nice guy
1 timbim1256 2018-05-22
Fuck off you dumb cunt. Women don't care about personalities. They only care about looks and money. Chad can beat the shit out of a woman and she'll still want to fuck him because he's Chad.
1 Lick_The_Wrapper 2018-05-22
Lol my bf and I are both servers for restaurants. Neither of us have money. Please don't tell me you call women 'dumb cunts' and then wonder why you can't get one.
How about you just shut the fuck up and cut your dick off since no woman is ever going to want it. You sit here and call women slurs and then mistake the psychology around why anyone would stay with an abusive partner and then you think 'stupid women, why won't anyone have sex with me?'
But it's because you're ugly on the inside not the outside. You literally just proved it to me with one comment.
1 timbim1256 2018-05-22
Once again, it's because of how I look. Chad can call a woman a dumb cunt and spit in her face if he wants to. Women are inferior, that's why so many end up with abusive partners. And anyway, prostitution if legal in my country so it doesn't bother me. It's actually a lot cheaper than having a roastie ("real" girlfriend) leeching off you.
1 GloriousCuntSlapper 2018-05-22
This has to be the most idiotic argument I have ever seen. No bro it doesn't work like that. Why do dumb people assume because a guy looks attractive that he is automatically an abusive asshole? Ever consider that maybe "Chad" is also a really nice guy? Plenty of ugly dudes out there who are abusive assholes.
It isn't just how you look on the outside, women can sense how you are on the inside, and it's easily deduced you're one of those incel losers and a misogynist to boot. I mean let's call a spade a spade. Incel is just another word for pathetic loser and if the shoe fits then you should wear it.
I'm at best a 5-6, women don't notice me when I enter a room.. They didn't when I was a kid/young adult and they sure as shit don't now. I may as well be invisible.
I used to get rejected all the time too and it sucked watching my crush always end up with my best friend who somehow always got the pretty girls.
That was until I developed this little thing I like to call "Self Confidence". Once I started believing in myself and stopped being such a sniveling little pussy, the girls picked up on that and I ended up having my fair share of women until I settled down and married a beautiful woman who i've been with for 14 years now.
My friend who always got the hot perfect 10 girls as a kid? He married a woman that ranks nowhere near those girls and had a few kids with her to boot. He's happy and they're happy together. I guess he wasn't as shallow as I always thought. He was just a beautiful guy inside and out.
If you can't get girls you have only yourself to blame. Girls are attracted to confidence. There are shallow women out there of course who value looks and money over personality but there are so many more who value personality. You should work on yours. I bet you only go after hot girls too. Aiming above your pay grade so to speak? Ironic don't you think?
At first I thought it may be some scathing sarcasm coming out of you because i try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I sense that you meant every word of what you said and it's sad.
In any case good luck with your prostitutes. Fuck enough of them and you wont need to chop off your dick. It'll fall off on its own.
1 4bricks 2018-05-22
just b confident bro
im a great example bro
1 slav0idCel43 2018-05-22
"14 years" come on lol any prostitute he fucks is a lot mote valuable than your wife's dusty cunt. I can never understand why men settle down when they really don't need to. It's women who are on the biological clock.
1 DoshLaunderSpic 2018-05-22
Personal experience, if you choose to call others dumb because they use their own bias, then your anecdotes are also dumb and irrelevant.
If you love Chad so much why don't you ask him for a protein and zinc enema, you faggot.
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-22
You are getting quite triggered here.
Perhaps you should avoid going out of your way to spend time in places full of people with opinions you find so deeply upsetting.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
Woman is offended
Woman is blamed for being offended
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-22
Woman chooses to come to place known for expressing views that are often offensive to women.
Left that critical detail out friend.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
All your sentences are structured to distance reader from the fact that your words and ideas are inherently upsetting. Your choice of words carefully puts the onus on the reader for being upset to avoid the fact that the ideas themselves are bad.
If an incel posts in r/braincels and there is no reasonable person to read it, is it a shit idea?
Yes. Yes it is.
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-22
All of those quotes are from comments whose sole purpose was to address the bizarre phenomenon of people such as yourself going out of your way to seek out content online that you know to be upsetting for the sole purpose of becoming upset.
Had the intent of any of those comments been to debate the merits of the ideas being referenced then you might have a point.
But it wasn’t.
So you don’t.
But hey, nothing helps to dull the sting of a bland and mediocre life like a bit of self-righteous indignation right?
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
All you are going to accomplish here is putting yourself in a bad mood by reading the replies you will get. These people are too far gone. They can't be helped and if your intention is to hurt them than you can't possibly do more damage than they have already done to themselves and each other.
It's pretty fucking crazy in here though. Wow.
1 DoshLaunderSpic 2018-05-22
We already had a dick mutilation in original sub, so in order to prevent that from happening, i'm gonna have to report you, next time don't go to subs you find upsettting ok? bye
1 quickbucket 2018-05-22
and the dudes on here care about personalities so much. that's why they bitch over the "high quality" women who dont want them cause they only care about looks.
1 ayydisathrowaway 2018-05-22
That's the thing though, incels have no intention of being a nice guy. We aren't nice guys, if you want to look for nice guys look in inceltears.
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-22
what other women want is fashion
fashion is looks
looks is women
1 literallyarealperson 2018-05-22
Precisely.
1 AmericasMostUnwanted 2018-05-22
YES. This needs to be it's own post.
1 CuckFestus570 2018-05-22
EWALT.
1 Fummy 2018-05-22
Chad, Tad, Brad and Vlad
1 lonely_suicidal_cel 2018-05-22
If you aren't white 8+ Chad, then it's over for you
1 DukeBluee 2018-05-22
So if you're a minority its automatically over for you? Give me a break lol
1 MgtowEuphoria 2018-05-22
It is for the vast majority I knew grewing up. Most never lost their v-card until their mid-20s and often then to a prostitute.
1 DukeBluee 2018-05-22
I guess you should have specified that you meant in the US. Because I promise you that most countries arent like that
1 IRL_Melb_Dating 2018-05-22
Yeah it pretty much is. Idiot parents thought they could get a better life in the West when all they were doing was condemning their bloodline especially the Y-haplogroup to extinction.
1 brownliquid 2018-05-22
I married a “minority”
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-05-22
False. Lots of ugly losers with no redeeming qualities do date.
1 maskedcel 2018-05-22
🖕
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-05-22
where do all these ugly losers without status or money live?
1 whiteopscel 2018-05-22
They rope
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-05-22
Narnia, Middle Earth, maybe. Or maybe wherever unicorns and leprechauns are hiding out.
1 Reddit5uck5 2018-05-22
Hell
1 Monkey_Jerk 2018-05-22
Everywhere considering 80% of men are unattractive to women.
1 brownliquid 2018-05-22
Literally everywhere!
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-22
stop pretending to care? just go back to swiping right to chads
1 Flojoe420 2018-05-22
Umm, I don't think they like that here..
1 Reddit5uck5 2018-05-22
Ugly losers do date... I bet her idea of an ugly loser is fucking Emile Hirsch
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-05-22
Every one of those 12 upvoters is a poor sod guy hoping against all hope that women will like ugly guys.
1 Dzhugashvili78 2018-05-22
Lol, if you're a tall attractive black, Hispanic, or middle eastern guy you can easily compete with Chad in any western metro area. Only indians and east Asians get shafted in the west.
1 ChromeHomeDome 2018-05-22
Compete is a strong word. Chad still has the maximum value. And also roasties sometimes say they’re “not into” a certain race, and it’s never white.
1 Deoxysxx 2018-05-22
That's because white is the standard, even in countries that don't even have many white people.
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-22
literally
1 t00selfaware 2018-05-22
50% of the guys you see in East Toronto area are brown (south asian) and let me tell you, they’re sexy. East asian guys? They’re the new trend, especially for young girls in high school or college. You have to be attractive, your race doesn’t matter. Let’s not pretend south and east asians are all incels, get a grip.
1 look_in_the_mirror 2018-05-22
How do you define attractive?
1 t00selfaware 2018-05-22
Physically? Good facial structure and a healthy body will do the trick. It’s universal. But, of course, some people like thinner, fatter, bigger noses, smaller eyes, etc. So it’s all personal preference.
Personality wise it’s anyone who understands social cues and is able to hold a conversation. Otherwise they’re a quick fuck, which is fine too.
When I refer to the “sexy” asian guys in Toronto, I basically mean men who catch the attention of (many) women/men. And I’ll let you know women aren’t only turning heads for white guys, so if you aren’t white, don’t be insecure about your race. Those who discriminate against your race aren’t people you want to catch the attention of anyways.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
If you're interesting, conversational, bold, funny, educated, and ambitious (translation: have a personality) then you'll have a very stud-like personality and that can compensate for being less attractive. Words and actions DO turn women on, fellas. Women aren't just visual creatures, they're also psychological creatures.
1 ILiekPlantz 2018-05-22
not in this day and age.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
Every single girl I've ever been with told me my personality was sexy. Women I know, who I have never been with or even dated before have told me my personality was sexy. I'm not a good looking guy by any stretch of the imagination, nor am I tall, nor am I wealthy. But when I'm getting intimate with a girl, usually the things that turn her on the most are the things I say.
1 blackpillnormie 2018-05-22
In a female's head personality = looks
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
I have made it clear in my comment that I'm ugly. Please read before replying.
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-05-22
Post your photo if you want to convince anyone. Srs.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
While some proof would be expected, I do value my privacy and I wouldn't want anyone I know to find out I am in any way associated with this subreddit.
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-05-22
Oh that's right I forgot.
1 maskedcel 2018-05-22
🖕
1 brownliquid 2018-05-22
How uninteresting
1 Blackpill93 2018-05-22
low iq
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
How low are we talkin' here?
1 nbrnay 2018-05-22
I'm pretty fuckin ugly and I do alright for myself.
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-22
literally
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-05-22
All females are exactly the same.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-22
They're empty vessels. They fill up with whatever you put in them and all we have filled them with since "muh feminism" is degeneracy.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
Poe's law up in here.
1 zZacharyChad 2018-05-22
But they all like different things guys. In relation to their SMV, of course, that is.
1 everythingshewants7 2018-05-22
Women only like the same guys genetically.
1 minoxidilcel 2018-05-22
okayden is getting jawmogged its over for hin
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
You think a sub 8 guy would make for good reality TV? The networks are going to pick the best looking guy to get women tuning in, and they will have a lineup of Staceys for him to pick from to get the men to watch. It's all about what will make them money
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-22
not sure why you are downvoted tbh it's the truth
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
Because it's me. Anything I post gets downvoted. I'm not bothered. I'm not here for the karma.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
Well you should stop stubbornly trying to change the minds of the lost people of this sub. "A" for effort and intent but I don't have as much hope as you do.
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
The thing is- I'm old, so I can see things a bit clearer having been there. OK, things may have changed, but in the end, people do tend to mature and decide to find a life partner.
I am optimistic that the guys here will find that, and in the meantime if I can debunk their really off-the-wall theories about women, then all the better.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
God speed, Geezer.
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
You too
1 CuckFestus570 2018-05-22
Ruff
1 Monkey_Jerk 2018-05-22
Not sure if you're referring to incels or women with that so I'll address both. Incels can't just decide to find a life partner otherwise the term wouldn't exist. Regarding women, we literally know and have a term for that too,"beta bux". So you're not actually saying anything new here.
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
Which term? "Inceldom" isn't a whole of life sentence. It's a mere anomaly and usually has passed by the first quarter century, although it can linger.
"Beta bux" is a tenet of the faith of the toxic pill, there to make you question your worth as a person, and to deny that any woman can find you attractive. It's designed to keep you subservient to the mindset that the bullies who dreamed up the toxic pill want you to be in. The toxic pill never wants you to be happy. It never wants you to feel secure. It does not want you to be able to view yourself as anyone's equal. So someone finally notices you and sees you as a nice guy? It doesn't matter how many times they tell you they love you, or how much love they lavish on you, or how many times they prove their devotion to you, you will always see it as false, worthless and hollow, thus keeping you from ever being happy.
Your pills are toxic.
1 Monkey_Jerk 2018-05-22
Most of the time it isn't but for some people it is. Either way getting out of inceldom later on in life won't make up for missing out in your prime years. It will always leave a bitter taste.
Except for those that it hasn't passed eg r/FA30Plus
As for the rest, nah "beta bux" is there to protect oneself from being taken advantage of. Better to be incel/volcel than an atm/emotional tampon/time ho for some woman who wouldn't look twice at you when she was younger.
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
For the few, yes, it will be, but it shouldn't stop them trying.
The thing is- you're missing out on your prime years if you're moping about trying to get a girlfriend instead of getting out and enjoying life. Go clubbing. Go to the cinema. Find friends that you can hang out with, or go out for meals with. Stop sitting in the dark on your own, swiping at twitter like a demented obsessive.
And yet "beta" will stop men from getting relationships, because they have been brainwashed into thinking that's all women want them for.
1 Monkey_Jerk 2018-05-22
Why not? Some might think the effort needed just isn't worth it after a certain point/age.
I agree moping about not having a girlfriend is stupid but missing out on sex and validation while your sex drive is at its peak while everyone else enjoys it fucks with your head.
Did all that from my late teens to mid 20's. Gets boring eventually.
You call it brainwashing, we call it awareness of female mating strategy. What are we supposed to think when a woman eventually wants to settle down with the safe, mature guy who she wouldn't even look at 10-15 years prior? Should we feel honored that she chose us?
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
Have you considered that people's tastes change over time? Plus they tend to mature as well.
1 Monkey_Jerk 2018-05-22
Their tastes "change" when they realize they're on the decline and can't obtain what they were previously able to. I guess that's a sign of maturing but that still doesn't do anything for the guy who ends up having to invest time/energy/emotions/money after countless others got commitment free sex while she was in her "just having fun" phase.
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
Or their tastes change because they want someone sensible and long term, not some playboy who has the attention span of a gnat when it comes to women and relationships.
It's like when you are a kid you play at being a lot of things, but as you get older, you find a career path that is probably miles away from your childhood dreams of being an astronaut.
1 Ser_Anonymous 2018-05-22
Anything you post gets downvoted? Wow, there’s almost a pattern there. Who knows... maybe there’s a reason?
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
Yeah. I'm a woman. I also tell inconvenient truths. It's like the guys here get downvoted if they post anything on IT, then come back here to crow about how they got downvoted for telling the truth. Except I don't crow about it anywhere, because I'm not actually that bothered.
1 Blackpill93 2018-05-22
Wasn't there one show years back where they took a bunch of virgin incels and put them in a home with a bunch of model stacies?
1 MagratM 2018-05-22
I've no idea. I don't watch reality TV personally.
Sounds like it would be a hit though. I'm sure there's a few guys in here that would love to be on it.
1 ricoue 2018-05-22
Average joe.
1 Enigmatic93 2018-05-22
b-b-but women told me that they liked all types of guys!
1 CuckFestus570 2018-05-22
Only if they have good personaliteees tee hee
1 Luna4x0 2018-05-22
This is a "reality" TV show. You know, where they pick ridiculously good looking men and women and place them in entirely unrealistic situations? Come on now... It's entertainment TV. It's not meant to be a representation of the average American experience. Mind you, they're all rich too. ffs
1 maskedcel 2018-05-22
🖕
1 anonmymouse 2018-05-22
eeeeehhh... I'd argue though that they pick that because that's what sells. If they want people (mostly women) to watch the bachelor, they have to put a hot guy on there for them all to drool over.
it's the same thing with romcoms, that's not real either but it's always a hot guy that makes women want to watch.
1 riseupmeansturnup 2018-05-22
Of course they’re picking hot guys. The problem is that a hot guy is so fucking cookie cutter.
1 Stoic_Stranger 2018-05-22
Okayden cracked me up.
1 Ultramegasaurus 2018-05-22
Women are less diverse in all facets of life.
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-22
literally every facet, except what brands of makeup they like since we dont like any
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-05-22
lol
1 103359245T 2018-05-22
The second guy is a good example of how negative canthal tilt really can screw up an otherwise chad level face. He looks weak and dorky because of it
1 shabangcohen 2018-05-22
Women prefer hot guys. Men prefer hot women. Yeah? no shit?
1 Hodgey54 2018-05-22
What do you mean by hot? Because men have a vast amount of preferences, whereas women do not. Women rate over 70% of guys as unattractive. Women don't have preferences they have requirements. That's why nearly all of the men they find attractive, look very similar, as if they came from a factory or something.
1 lonely_suicidal_cel 2018-05-22
Hot = White European facial features
K got it
1 ChromeHomeDome 2018-05-22
Look at porn variety alone. The fact that there is a BBW section on every porn site speaks volumes about men.
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-05-22
And they all get railed by tall jacked guys lol.
1 BeginnerSwimmer 2018-05-22
Most porn is made for men, so yeah.
Also, there are a lot of fugly guys all over porn. Give Ron Jeremy a google.
1 karamellkid 2018-05-22
Has there ever been an ethnic bachelor?
1 IWillRopeAnyDayNow 2018-05-22
There have been Hispanic ones but they were castizo
1 anonmymouse 2018-05-22
wow... I had to Google it, honestly, because I've never been into the show but I was pretty sure there had at LEAST been a black bachelor... nope. ALL white guys. all of them. even the ones with foreign or hispanic names were light skinned. It's the whitest lineup I've ever seen..
1 karamellkid 2018-05-22
Western beauty standards
1 AmericasMostUnwanted 2018-05-22
I was answering his question but he deleted the comment. Yea, literally all tall white guys, with about 1 or 2 exceptions to the height.
The bachelorette had its first black woman recently if I remember properly.
1 anonmymouse 2018-05-22
ahhh... maybe that's what I was remembering. I thought I recalled a lot of media attention to the "first black bachelor" but it must have been the bachelorette.
1 AmericasMostUnwanted 2018-05-22
Yea, it was the bachelorette. There's never been anyone other than white men on the bachelor, and very few times they were like 5'10 and 5'11.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
And given how poorly rated that season was I doubt they will be doing it again. It's America that's racist (or at least the portion of America that was still watching the 58th season of The Bachelor).
1 tigre_mestizo 2018-05-22
It is also uglyphobic, and shortphobic.
1 counterfitfake 2018-05-22
This hadn't been on the top of my mind but now that you mention it I agree. Thanks for the reply.
1 AmericasMostUnwanted 2018-05-22
Damn, I can imagine. I only watched one season of the bachelor and one of the bachelorette, but I saw the guys from OP's pic.
1 ItsOkToBeBlack 2018-05-22
" I don't care about race or sex. Actors should be picked based on who's best for the role "
1 ItsOkToBeBlack 2018-05-22
White genocide niw
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
Or, you know, being a TV show with a target audience, it caters to that target audience by casting white dudes who fit a very specific aesthetic mold to appeal to the white women who care a about looks. Question incels: If the kind of women interested in these kinds of dudes are all dumb and vapid, why do you want them anyway?
1 abh985 2018-05-22
Nah bro, TV/Film is for attractive leads/stars. Why would anyone have a bachelor/bachelorette filled with unattractive people? That makes no sense to me at all
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
The once was a show called "King of the Nerds" that was a bunch of less than conventionally attractive folks on TV. There was another called "The Beauty and the Geek" where they would pair up stereotypical hot, ditsy girls with nerdy guys. I remember one season of the show specifically leading to a real relationship after it ended.
All I'm saying is this show have an obvious target audience in mind, and is catering directly to it. Criticizing it for that is like complaining that Ferrari's typically come in red.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
In beauty and the geek, they literally turn ugly incel nerds into High tier normies/chadlites by the end of the show tho
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
Yeah. They give them makeovers. To show them it's completely possible to achieve an ideal they've been chasing. What a terrible thing.
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-22
Because unlike women, we don't like about the fact that it's all about looks.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
Your problem is, you apply that criteria to all women. If the women you're chasing only care about looks, and that bothers you, then stop chasing those kinds of women.
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-22
All women only care about looks. All men only care about looks.
Sexual attraction is looks.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
Not entirely. A good portion of it is, yeah, but if you manage to sleep with someone who is, in your eyes, built like a Grecian god but also fucks like a dead fish, chances are you won't be back for seconds.
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-22
If you don't have the looks, you won't fuck her in the first place.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
If you don't have the looks she wants. Incels think physical attractiveness can be measured objectively, by these very narrow and well defined metrics. It doesn't work that way. It never did.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
she wants hunter eyes and a big chin
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-22
Just because it can't be measured "objectively" doesn't mean there aren't pretty damn clear assessments.
You can't objectively say that fecal matter tastes better than water, but I think it's pretty obvious which one nearly everyone would choose.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
You could, you'd just have to go pretty far.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
target audience lol aka all women who want chad perhaps
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-22
Yeah. All women who want whatever you define "Chad" as. Not LITERALLY ALL WOMEN. Thanks for proving my point.
1 abh985 2018-05-22
What’s wrong with that though? The bachelorette is all attractive women too. That’s the whole point of TV/film
1 JuniorBanana 2018-05-22
this guy gets it
1 IronicDespair 2018-05-22
All 4 of them are weird looking lol
1 T-Earl-Grey-Hot 2018-05-22
They all look like they have cotton in their mouth
1 [deleted] 2018-05-22
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1 killuaaa99 2018-05-22
Eh honestly, I don't find a single one of these men attractive. And yes, I did think that before I knew it was braincels. Honestly they're cookie cutter as fuck and look like they would start off most sentences like "so when I was at the gym the other day"... boooorrrringgg
1 TestosteroneFilled 2018-05-22
LMAO. Massive coping mechanism cuz they wouldn't even acknowledge your existence. Roastie getting toastie eh
1 killuaaa99 2018-05-22
Haha nope just from experience.
1 Malmalam 2018-05-22
So when some women say that they have different tastes and that conventionally attractive men doesn't interest them, they still get shit about it. We just can't win, I guess.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
Whats wrong with the gym?
1 Chordata1 2018-05-22
This is pretty hilarious. Reminds me off all the Chris's that all look the same. Hemsworth, Evans, Pine, etc..
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-22
of course you say that now but in real life you would be head of heels
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-05-22
It's even over for these men
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-22
Seems pretty racist and shallow of you
1 TurboTrashman 2018-05-22
How old are they? They look at least 30. If they aren't that old, then they're low-tier Chadlites.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
Late 20's and early to mid 30s, i assume
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-05-22
Welp looks like I'm still not gay but that second dude definitely is.
1 AShortCorpulentPaul 2018-05-22
It's over for blondcels
1 Courwes 2018-05-22
They are all douchebags.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
Thats my homie chad johnson on the far left
1 LisaLovesFuta 2018-05-22
So I saw the season of The Bachelorette which these guys were all on. The guy on the left is actually named Chad. He was set up as the "bad boy" of the bunch. Though she ended up picking the second one from the left, because he played pro football.
1 opticscythe 2018-05-22
This sub is so cringe I think my face is permanently stuck like this now
1 Mest666 2018-05-22
It's over for guy on the right. His chin is less than 1 foot high.
1 based_meme 2018-05-22
Lost my shit at Okayden.
1 Westcoastincel 2018-05-22
they would put a black guy but that would pss off a lot of people
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
Rest in peace tyrone
1 WinterNoTown 2018-05-22
Damn, that explains everything. I'm not average I'm about 2 standard deviations above average.
1 SaintKines 2018-05-22
Have you guys all been introduced to Patrice O'Neal? I think his teachings about women could help some of you. You would find his philosophies familiar and enlightening at the same time. Totally serious. I realize what you all want most is for people like me to fuck off but give him a chance.
1 SaintKines 2018-05-22
Damn guys, it was just a suggestion for some entertainment. Patrice was a good comedian who had a deal philosophy about women that most of you would agree with. You won't find a more blackpill famous person.
1 pewgie 2018-05-22
They all look bland af to me.
1 vikkinguyen 2018-05-22
But none of them have dark hair? All of them have light brown hair...
Light brown or blonde hair looks more attractive on White men anyway. My boyfriend is tall, blonde with green eyes and the most handsome man I've ever dated.
Guys like Ian Somerhalder have dark-hair, though, and he is really hot, too. Oh well.
1 103359245T 2018-05-22
The second one looks dorky due to his NCT
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-05-22
Out of all the offensive threads on this sub, women get the most triggered by this one, which isn’t really offensive or misogynist at all. Hmmm I wonder why. Maybe they know it’s the truth that they only like one type of guy and it exposes the simple, terrifying truth of it all.
1 EastData 2018-05-22
the dude on the right may as well have been destined to inceldom if he had the mindset you all did, average face at best
1 chadbhava 2018-05-22
NCT
1 nachocheesie 2018-05-22
Every blonde woman on the show looks identical too. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSfYQCwWAAA-f_y.jpg
Did you just realize the media is racist and only hires fit, attractive people? Especially a competitive reality show about speed dating?
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
No, they only hire fit, attractive WHTE people. No handsome Chad ethnics to be found. Keep in mind, a lot of regular users on this sub are ethnic minorities.
1 nachocheesie 2018-05-22
Btw, you guys should watch Jojo's season. The first guy who's name is literally Chad will mog you out of existence through the screen. Spends the whole season bullying the incel.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-22
Isn't Chad on the left a bb.com misc user? Thats where elliot posted lol.
1 ilovethosedogs 2018-05-22
Definitely. He made a bunch of references to BB stuff. He was great
1 jordans_for_sale 2018-05-22
This just in: handsomeness is a thing women like. You fucking losers.
1 gaymergirl64 2018-05-22
Same goes for men yikes
1 FishLauncher 2018-05-22
They're actually ugly wtf. American male beauty standards are wild
1 wirWarKonigeMann 2018-05-22
Even the guy on the left? I'd let him suck on my scchpincta
1 Schrukster 2018-05-22
Guy on the right looks like he has AIDS
1 Carkudo 2018-05-22
No. You show me incel women if you want to make this a debate. I'm not going to entertain your bullshit here, retard.
1 abh985 2018-05-22
Nah bro, TV/Film is for attractive leads/stars. Why would anyone have a bachelor/bachelorette filled with unattractive people? That makes no sense to me at all
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
I'm not like other girls teehee
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-22
All of those quotes are from comments whose sole purpose was to address the bizarre phenomenon of people such as yourself going out of your way to seek out content online that you know to be upsetting for the sole purpose of becoming upset.
Had the intent of any of those comments been to debate the merits of the ideas being referenced then you might have a point.
But it wasn’t.
So you don’t.
But hey, nothing helps to dull the sting of a bland and mediocre life like a bit of self-righteous indignation right?
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-22
Because unlike women, we don't like about the fact that it's all about looks.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Yeah cause they're only Chadlite, not Chad.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
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1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
I concur. Excellent DS.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
target audience lol aka all women who want chad perhaps
1 ChromeHomeDome 2018-05-22
Compete is a strong word. Chad still has the maximum value. And also roasties sometimes say they’re “not into” a certain race, and it’s never white.
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
^ is a hyperbole so....
Savaaaaage boiiiiii gj i walked into that
No im waiting till im 20 because i want my hormomes to sort their shit out before i fuck with them more
Well idk what to say believe me or dont changes nothing for me.
No, i repressed being sexual for so long it kinda comes out massively now, and my 'problems' cause many weird kinks so my boyfriend fuckin loves it haha
I believe marriage should be rejected, both from personal experience with family members and their marriages and from a philosophy students POV because of its connotations with the church and controlling people. But you do you good luck to you fam
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Why
Ah I see.
Honestly cba anymore its nearly 11pm u win
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Eat shit white knight
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-22
literally
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
You’re showing your lack of intelligence
1 xOwlyx 2018-05-22
Well thanks for being honest, but 'pretty boy's just aint my style. I only get attracted to people I know and trust.
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
You're implying men are visual creatures while women are not. I proved you wrong.
1 vernelli 2018-05-22
I’m a woman. I will never feel like I’m entitled to sex because I’m not a selfish moron.
1 Sideism 2018-05-22
1 t00selfaware 2018-05-22
50% of the guys you see in East Toronto area are brown (south asian) and let me tell you, they’re sexy. East asian guys? They’re the new trend, especially for young girls in high school or college. You have to be attractive, your race doesn’t matter. Let’s not pretend south and east asians are all incels, get a grip.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-22
Ahahahahahaha this is too good
1 look_in_the_mirror 2018-05-22
How do you define attractive?