“If he’s a virgin there must be something wrong with him.”

It’s that simple. So do what everyone else has done since they were 13; lie. It’s really a non-issue because no woman should know that you’re a virgin. NEVER tell a woman you’re trying to fuck that you’ve never done it.

Are you incel?

Is there a right answer?

Nope.

Then why he ask such a dickheaded question?

For the lols. If you ARE incel, I was going to point out how there is zero reason to take any advice you have about interacting with women. If you weren't it was just going to express shock and disbelief

Back to your 33% are Incel, 33% are trolls and 34% can't tell the difference. I think you are the troll.

It’s really a non-issue because no woman should know that you’re a virgin.

She will notice the lack of experience and be disgusted

Total horse shit. This is a myth left over from the fucking 1950’s when men didn’t know what goes where. There’s a good chance you’ve watched a steady stream of pornography since you where11 years old. You know exactly how to fuck.

InB4 porn isn’t real.

You’ll figure it out in the first 10 seconds. Catch-22 because you might not last that long 😅

I've watched professional sports, I'm an athlete now

More like “I read an entire library of books, now I can tell a story.”

Reciting something you've read and telling a story in a good way is not the same thing

Observing and doing are vastly different things, even for non physical things like this story telling example of yours

You can't tell me with a straight face there isn't going to be a difference between an incel in his 20's who has never kissed a woman and a Chad who started fucking when he was 15

I can say it because I’ve experienced it. I’ve gone from no sex to plenty of sex. I have authority in the subject. Do you?

he thinks girls didn't notice he was a virgin

Boyo...

how would she?

Your first time you were trash at sex and the woman noticed, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not

what evidence do you have to support this statement?

why?

Appeal to authority fallacy.

yes, because there are not tons of tutorials on how to be good at sex on the internet. And of course, putting your dick in a hole, or licking a clit takes hard practice xD

Jesus, only an idiot would equate reading about something and actually perfecting it irl. Not only is it obvious you have no experience but I highly doubt you will be good at it even when you do. Women won't waste time with men who have no clue how to please them. Why should they when there are so many of us men who do it so well?

This is no rocket science or dart competition. You watch porn, you read some sex articles and you are on a level/better then 99% guys

We don't even know how to KISS.

For fuck's sake...

or hug and hold a hand. true story

I don't know how to kiss, escalate or make out, but would for sure be decent at penetration and else... Too bad that those are requirements. Fml

Many non-virgins are bad at sex. Just tell her that you've haven't had sex since your last gf a few years ago and if you cum early tell her she's is so hot she made you cum fast. Never admit your a virgin to anyone or you will get bullied.

It goes for women as well. Think about it. There are very few sexual experienced women, but many of them are simply fucking terrible at it. Back when I used to watch porn I remember seeing a vid of a miss Teen USA contestant who did a porn scene and was kicked from the contest. She was fucking soggy style but couldn’t match the mans rhythm. Annecdotaly, I’ve been with women who didn’t know how to fuck doggsytke or had never done it on their sides. These were all sexually experienced girls. Just bad at it in general.

This porn isn't real meme is bullshit due to the large amount of amateur stuff out there. If you want to learn something just find an older married couple who set up a tripod.

yea you know how to physically have sex, doesn't mean you're gonna be good at it

Just bang whatever girl you can on Tinder and if you are too ugly for that, hire a prostitute/escort for one night to teach you.

Other than that.. there are exercises you can do for being good at missionary and doggy which are honestly the time tested positions anyhow.

We don't even know how to hug or hold a hand

lying about it is really obvious

This is the truth. They will know as soon as you try to kiss them that you have no experience. Why would they waste their time just for some loser to cum as soon as he feels a breast for the first time. Just don't waste either of your time.

The most whoreish girl I was ever with (who coincidentally had no job at 29 and lived with her mom; real winner) had no idea how to kiss. Like she would move her tongue extremely fast from side to side. You know how guys will sometimes stick out their tongues and flick them quickly when goofing around and mimicking cunilingus? Like that, but side to side.

Normies go from "Be yourself" to "Just lie bro"

If this is true... wouldn't all men stay virgins? Do male virgins only lose their virginity to female virgins? The girl who took my virginity wasn't a virgin

I lost my virginity at 13 and I'm a dude. I guess I just don't understand how you think women won't sleep with virgins, cause then all men would stay virgins lol

Yeah it just doesn't make any sense to me.

I guess for some people that may be true. My best friend lost his virginity at 24 and my older brother lost his at 22

Lost mine at 22 as well. Aaaaaand there goes this shit theory.

Well some will never lose theirs. Valhalla is waiting for me instead

I'd say it becomes problematic after 25.

The more retarded and stupid you are the easier it is to get laid, apparently.

The more retarded and stupid you are the easier it is to get laid, apparently.

I was a virgin into my mid 20s and I don’t necessarily agree with you here

It's acceptable to be a virgin when you're in your teens. After that, you're fucked.

There's nothing wrong with being a virgin.

I can't seem to get a boyfriend, so how would I progress to sex?

Download tinder, type "I will fuck any guy that messages me" there you go you'll be sorted in 10 minutes

She said "boyfriend" not "anything that moves that has a dick"

You are a woman.

Fucking roasted

And toasted.

Oh, if you hadn't pointed it out, I would never have noticed...

Aww, and you have to pretend that's relevant at all to keep up your dumb worldview ;p

I don't do hookups.

have you tried any other dating apps?

Just OkCupid and r4r.

no results?

So far no.

then what changed? weren't you in a relashionship before?

There is no way in hell you didn't get at least 20 pms from a "looking for bf" post in /r/r4r.

I got only one message from a guy who said he wasn't a match for me, but wished me good luck. (That was nice.) I had the post up for 3 days (because after that time it gets buried).

I don't believe you.

Guess what? I don't care.

ok, sorry

Unless you're a Gigachad of course teehee

Its 2018, every long-term relationship starts with casual sex. We are not in 1950's where you date a man for three months before having sex, I'd you aren't willing to have sex within one week of meeting a guy he will dump your ass.

I don't want to start with casual sex. There's nothing wrong with waiting 3-6 months to have sex. And I don't need a Chad.

Yea not just a chad chad but a Gigachad teehee

You aren't foreveralone if you choose to be alone

If that’s the suggestion for women, why is “just hire a prostitute” not a good suggestion for men?

Because we must pay to have sex , wich mean you have 0 Worth for womans but your money this is humiliating and expensive ,a womans in contrary Will always gind someone who Will find her attractive enougth to have sex with freely

Fair. The argument I always heard was “we want validation, not just sex.” Telling a woman to just fuck a dude on tinder is just sex, not validation.

No, it's validation, because they aren't paying for sex

From what I’ve seen/heard, getting pumped and dumped is not very validating to them

Because a prostitute won't love you

But a guy on tinder who pumps and dumps you will?

If you're a woman

There's nothing right about it either.

Feminism has taught them way too hard to invest every part of life in other women, including who is a good idea to date

Cope. A lot of women will take pleasure in deflowering a man if he is good-looking, and will be pleasantly surprised once they find out he is a virgin. If you're ugly, women will just assume you're a virgin, and it won't really matter anyway because you're ugly.

That’s pretty true.

Cope. Men's attractiveness is directly correlated with the number of partners.

Nah I’d agree. I was a virgin into my mid twenties and I had women offer to take it

Yeah. Attractive people tend to have more partners. That's sort of why people will be surprised at a good-looking virgin but not by an ugly one. Thinking you can make yourself more attractive by lying about being a slayer is cope.

Anecdotal - but in college, I found out this guy I was pursuing was a virgin and it made it more exciting for me to be his first. He was nowhere near a chad. I can post his picture, but I might have to PM it

Because you found him attractive, that's it. If you're unattractive then being a virgin just works against you even more.

I didn’t think he was attractive when I first met him. Just meh. But after interacting for class a few times and then studying together, I got to know him. I legit I liked his personality, we had a lot in common, and he didn’t seem to be trying to get laid.

Again, anecdotal. Not saying this is a commonplace occurrence.

he didn’t seem to be trying to get laid.

goddamit

chadlite guaranteed, dont bullshit us

He’s not tall (5’6”?), not white, scrawny... what’s considered a ChadLite?

ye but perfect face + money right?

Lmao keep grasping for something to maintain your delusion. Do you literally believe it's impossible for a short, skinny, non-white guy to have sex?

if they're rich it's possible

Cope, cope, cope.

No, definitely didn’t come from a wealthy family. Middle class. Paid for college with loans. I’ll PM you face if super important.

go for it fam

PM’d

Face > all

that dude is good looking

He’s not what you guys would call a Chad though! He opened up to me about depression and past self mutilation and how he remained positive, and I don’t know I just liked how real was. He even told me he wasn’t good with women and didn’t know what he was doing.

I'd be cool if you sent me a PM of him.

PM’d

Please PM me. I want to see how attractive this guy is.

PM’d

I’d love to see this. Could you PM to me as well?

PM’d

Pm me.

Sent

I agree he's no Chad, but if you think he is not good looking I don't think you would even consider me human.

What I’m saying is that I didn’t get to know him because I was by any means attracted to him from the start. His personality made him more attractive. And I’ve never considered anyone to be subhuman. When I was in middle school, I had a unibrow and upper lip hair and frizzy hair and big cheeks. Boys called me ugly. Since then, I refuse to acknowledge that word.

Statistically, every human who has ever fucked, lost their virginity to someone who fucked a virgin.

When you see it, you'll shit bricks. (As we used to say on the internet in 2005.)

Just because you're a virgin doesn't mean she has to know, you don't have to advertise it or have it tattooed on your forehead. Especially if the girl is for just a hookup and not a relationship.

Just keep your virginity to yourself, fellas. Chicks don't want to be the ones taking the lead in the interaction, and you're telling her you can't take the lead because you don't know what you're doing, and you aren't even willing to pretend like you do either.

You can't fake it. She's going to know you're inexperienced as soon as you show you don't even know how to kiss.

Just say it's been a while since you last fucked a bitch so you're rusty.

Just pretend like you do and don't even hesitate.

Nah some dudes are just bad at that stuff

But most of us have absolutely no fucking clue what to do. We can't fake it and then pretend it has been a while. It's not "I'm bad at driving so I'll drive slowly", it's "How do I open this car's door?"

Why are you guys opposed to fucking a couple of prostitutes? srs question. Insecurities like this will come through in your behaviours

Don't want to get aids and fucking die

Do you live in Africa?

Aids exist in America brainlet

I don't think there is a single answer to that question. Everyone has different reasons. For a lot of people, it just wouldn't mean much. The point is that no woman would ever desire you enough to willingly have sex with you and seeing a prostitute won't change that. It's basically admitting failure to yourself.
To me, an added reason is that I think it would be an imposition. Yea, I'd be paying her but it would still be a thoroughly unpleasant experience for her that I don't want anyone to go through.

It won't solve your inceldom or the issues behind it but if being a virgin and being inexperienced/bad at sex is a major insecurity it can definitely fix that.

Assuming they aren't some sex trafficking victim no reason to feel bad for prostitutes, if they take your money they are consenting.

but if being a virgin and being inexperienced/bad at sex is a major insecurity it can definitely fix that.

Could be, yea. But I still feel somewhat reluctant to "waste" my first time on a prostitute.

Assuming they aren't some sex trafficking victim

That's another thing. A while ago, I watched a documentary that argued that basically no sex worker is voluntarily doing that job...

no reason to feel bad for prostitutes, if they take your money they are consenting.

Well, consent isn't the point. The point is that it wouldn't be a pleasant experience for her.

If you trust your gut and are relaxed and calm, it'll just come naturally to you. Learn to listen to your intuition. You come from a long line of men who have successfully procreated and you think it didn't come naturally to ANY of them? It's not really all that complicated, learn to trust yourself and your judgement and don't get too harsh on yourself when you make a mistake.

You come from a long line of men who have successfully procreated and you think it didn't come naturally to ANY of them?

Humans don't have instinctual "mating rituals" though. Or rather, they might have but they're neither socially acceptable nor successful today.

It's not really all that complicated, learn to trust yourself and your judgement

Trust me, upon reading up on the subject online, I have learned that almost everything I'd do if I trusted my gut is completely wrong.

don't get too harsh on yourself when you make a mistake.

My judgement of my mistakes is irrelevant. What matters is how harsh others get on me if I make mistakes.

Realize whatever happens doesn't matter

Oh? So becoming the next #metoo and jeopardizing my career "doesn't matter"?

It seems fairly obvious to me that you fall exactly into the category I mentioned above. You have considerable skill that makes it acceptable for you to express romantic and sexual interest in people and be successful with it but you're completely oblivious to the actual skills involved and that they don't come naturally at all to everyone or even to a majority of people.

and you think it didn't come naturally to ANY of them?

For most of human history, sex probably happened more or less around young men. Hell, there are even societies today where older men deliberately "train" young men.
Besides, until relatively recently, a young woman would have a limited number of potential partners. Today, why would she bother with teaching some inexperienced moron if she has her pick of at least a dozen or so guys who know what they're doing...and who are probably more attractive anyway?

Women's attraction to a man is partially visual, but its also very psychological. I'm not a good looking guy by any stretch of the imagination, but I could still get girls because they don't care. They were attracted to me because I'm clever, I'm blunt, I'm playful, I take charge of situations, I have an optimistic attitude, I'm spontanious, and I seek out girls with similar interests who I can have effortless conversations with, and I let them know I'm interested and they've never rejected me, each time we ended up dating for a while. And yes, thats how I lost my virginity, by just being sociable and open to having a relationship and women often just fell in my lap.

Not sure what this is supposed to prove. You're exactly the kind of guy I'm talking about who could provide way more to her than I could.

Why can't you? Whats stopping you?

Wanting to be me. My interests and hobbies just don't have that broad an appeal. You sound funny, interesting and social, things that I'm not.

You can still learn to be funny, interesting, and social while still being yourself. Its not about pretending to be someone you're not, its about letting the most interesting and social parts of you shine through and encouraging them to step forward.

I have a lot of very narrow interests myself, but no matter how appealing or engaging they were to me, I refused to let them become my prison because I've seen what that does to some people. My narrow interests aren't my whole life.

Why don't you just rape a woman first then?

Why are you downvoting my comment? It's an honest question

you must be one of those crazed men-hating feminists that I'm reading a lot about. Scary beasts... But I think I'm safe here. So I'm going to tell you why. Well, first and foremost, because nobody wants to go to jail. And second... Not everyone can even get a hardon with a screaming, fighting woman.

crazed men hating feminists

Yeah, that's exactly what I am, especially when women have more rights than men these days. Yeah, okay, sure.

Been there done that, cherry popped a 22 year old virgin, will do again.

Then do it. Tons of virgins right here.

i banged that guy because i liked him so if you think you are likable and are in Italy pm me.

Wife material right here

I'm not like the other girls, who wear make up and are bitches/s

I'll be in Italy next year. Can I pm you then to pop my cherry?

I'll only commit to showing you around Bologna or Firenze. Maybe i'd just hate you and leave you stranded in the unknown country. (I know /s stands for sarcasm, but is there code for hyperbole cause i feel like i need to specify)

ill bring the chloroform

Stupid comment.

22 isn't that old for a virgin.

The OP wasn't gatekeeping by age

Would you have fucked him if he was 25? 30? What if you were the same age too?

He was older than me at the time, i was 20. But I wouldn't have thought about it any differently I think.

For a guy it is.

Eh... at that point you can still use the "sheltered upbringing", "late bloomer", or "religious parents" cards. It's a little odd, but as long as you're playing right, it should be fine.

Everyone hates virgin men if they make a big deal of it. Don't be a pussy and have some confidence.

No. We do not. I remember a virgin I was with. MK. gentleman and he was so much taller broader and a total brain. I remember him fondly. Why would anyone care about this

Yeah women don't care if you're a virgin or not

I'm not sure they hate virgin men. But I suspect most wouldn't want to bother with one because it's such a huge hassle, turning what should be fun into work for them.

That's not the reason. Status is

Fuck me what a bunch of beta losers. Had to check for myself to see if you people were really real.

Yes I can. You little shits know nothing about women.

I know I've had sex with at least 2 virgins, 2 who admitted it at least. There were probably others as well who were but didn't want to admit it.

I did.

Cope

Just lie if you are a virgin. Sex is pretty natural, enthusiasm and experience may make you a better lover, but you can definitely fake not being a virgin.

I asked a bunch of girls how they would feel sleeping with a virgin. 1 said she would find it a turn on so she could "train him", the other 4 said they would wonder why someone would be a virgin at their age (maybe something is wrong with them).

If you become religious, you'll find women who specifically only want virgins.

Just a daily reminder being virgin is only wrong if you are male.

Female virgin - cute, she's saving herself for the one Male virgin - creepy loser, he can't even get laid haha

Most don't like virgins yeah, but there are some with a fetish for it. It's not super common but it exists.

No they don't. First, no one knows you're a virgin.

There are certainly women, mostly in their mid-20's and older who don't want to worry about teaching you how to fuck. But not wanting to date you isn't the same as hating you.

I know that's a difficult concept for incels.

All they want is a man with experience

Then why he ask such a dickheaded question?

You are a woman.

Because you found him attractive, that's it. If you're unattractive then being a virgin just works against you even more.

chadlite guaranteed, dont bullshit us

I'd be cool if you sent me a PM of him.

then what changed? weren't you in a relashionship before?

There is no way in hell you didn't get at least 20 pms from a "looking for bf" post in /r/r4r.

Please PM me. I want to see how attractive this guy is.

Don't want to get aids and fucking die

Cope

He was older than me at the time, i was 20. But I wouldn't have thought about it any differently I think.

I’d love to see this. Could you PM to me as well?

I don't think there is a single answer to that question. Everyone has different reasons. For a lot of people, it just wouldn't mean much. The point is that no woman would ever desire you enough to willingly have sex with you and seeing a prostitute won't change that. It's basically admitting failure to yourself.
To me, an added reason is that I think it would be an imposition. Yea, I'd be paying her but it would still be a thoroughly unpleasant experience for her that I don't want anyone to go through.

Pm me.