Toxic masculinity is one of the ways in which Patriarchy is harmful to men. It refers to the socially-constructed attitudes that describe the masculine gender role as violent, unemotional, sexually aggressive, and so forth.

That's what toxic masculinity is. Your post is a complete contradiction.

Women are repulsed by men showing emotions that make men look weak.

My boyfriend was attacked and stabbed in the face and had PTSD from it. He's as masculine as they come but has cried in front of me a couple of times. It didn't repulse me at all. He's a human just like I am.

did you change it to an open relationship yet?

Nope, we don't share ever. I don't see the point in being in a relationship unless both parties are faithful.

LMAO

I'm not allowed to like masculine men? He can also open up to me about his feeling any time he wants.

Lmao

Imagine bragging about not being bothered by a man crying after he got stabbed in the face, you're really charitable

I wonder how you would react if he had depression or something similar

I didn't say he'd only cried about that. He did have depression and I was there for him every step of the way.

Don't offer anecdotes unless you're willing to give context. How attractive are you, how attractive is he? Rats yourselves 1 through 10 and attempt to be objective. Heights? Weights? Ethnicity? Level of education completed for each and income for each. If you both went to college, what is the approximate rank of the school each of you attended? What did you study and what job do you have - are you a social worker?

We need to know how much bias and or bullshit your statements are laced with

I'd say I'm pretty attractive, thin, brunette, nice figure, white, earn good money. He's tall, white, big (he's say fat) earns around the same. Neither went to college (University) here. I'm not a social worker, I work in finance.

Your bias is rooted in the fact that you are both two extremely conventional attractive people so you perceive relationships through that lens. You don't realize how much sexual attraction trivialises other traits

He's tall, white

Just be tall and white theory.

I'm tall and white also, what's your point?

You're not the only woman who is willing to forgive a man's faults just because he's tall and white.

I agree white people in general have it easier, some more than others.

Toxic masculinity mostly comes from other men calling each other gay for showing the slightest bit of emotion. I've hung around with guys all my life and seen it a million times. Never once have any of my female friends complained when their man is going through a hard time.

They don't complain because it violates their narrative. they just silently become less and less attracted to their man every time he breaks down and shows utter weakness. Any girl who wants to fuck a crying, sad, weak, depressed man is doing it in some sort of sick power fantasy fashion.

I don't want to fuck a crying, sad, weak, depressed man. There's a difference between showing feelings and being an utter shell of a person. I wouldn't expect anyone to be with me if I was like that either until I got my shit together.

I have known exactly zero men who are utter shells of a person emotionally, and the ones who are have legitimate mental illness as the result of childhood abuse or straight up sociopathy.

A woman doesn't respect the crying and the sadness and the depression of a man who is suffering, that repulses her. Forces her to mother her man. What she does respect is when a man suffers but somehow has the strength to fight through it. To that extent showing emotion can be attractive only because it highlights the suffering that is overcome not because it is attractive in and of itself

There's a happy medium. My man can open up to me whenever he wants and we'll talk about it before it gets to that point hopefully. He was seriously depressed and had PTSD and I was there for him through it all. There is a massive difference between going through a rough patch and being permanently depressed, emotional wreck.

Not when you're not attractive. When you're not attractive, being in a rough patch (looking weak, sad, despairing, crying, etc) takes you out of the game. When you're not attractive, being permanently depressed also takes you out of the game.

There is literally no difference unless a woman is already sexually attracted to you and it's an issue of maintaining the attraction by not fucking up so bad she is repulsed by your personality/behaviour

I'm not saying you're wrong. You make good points and I can only speak on my experience of the situationa I've been in.

I will however say I know of many relationships that have went through rough patches and the woman has stuck by the man regardless of his attractiveness, even infidelity on his part.

Toxic masculinity is expecting all men to be tall, broad shouldered and muscular when this is all about genetics.

If men didn't perceive masculinity as being tied to sexual success, then the less physically masculine men wouldn't have to compensate by having a masculine personality.

That's not toxic masculinity, that's traditional views in what masculinity is.

Less masculine men do compensate and quyte successfully at times. Masculine to me is a hard working man that's there for his woman and family. It's different for everyone.

I'm also hard working before you start th betabux crap.

And men who aren't able to conform to traditional masculinity typically compensate by being more "masculine" in other ways that leas itself to be toxic.

Why would a tall, broadshouldered, dominant man have any need of toxic masculinity? Both men and women alike already see him as masculine.

this. if being a safe emotional male feminist got men laid then all men would act like that. "toxic masculinity" exists because women perpetuate it with their mate selection.

Women lie and gaslight men, then when those men are betrayed by being stupid enough to listen to the women, they get angry about being lied to by people who are viewed by society as good little angels, and the women call that frustration at being lied to and deceived "entitlement."

Women fail men and shouldn't have any power over them, nor should they teach or mentor them.

exactly! you tell them femoids!

It's not a social construct, it's human sexuality.

So why are men able to show more emotion without being judged in some countries than others?

They don't, it's the same everywhere, but in the west the consequences are more hidden.

Well I've travelled all over the world and that's completely false. There are definitely more progressive countries. The Netherlands vs Russia for example. Men are to be men in Russia and that's that.

Studies show that in progressive countries (i.e. Scandanavia), men select women for personality and intelligence, while women select more for appearance.

What you're anecdotally seeing is that the men already selected based primarily on appearance, are able to get away with a modicum of emotional leeway. In less progressive countries the man was given a chance based on something other than his appearance, so his masculinity and/or his ability to provide is important. Progressivism literally, statistically and objectively, makes women more shallow and appearance-based. Feminists insist men show emotions, but are hard selecting for appearance and confuse allowing small shows of emotion from attractive people with actual emotional displays by men, and we are measuring this unfortunate truth in rising young male suicide rates.

Can I get a link for these studies?

Women who are opposed to toxic masculinity actually want men to be able to show their emotions more.

Women, on average, rate smiling men or men displaying less physical/behavioral dimorphism as unattractive. Qualifying that statement with "those opposed to toxic masculinity" is dishonest.

Women may find smiling men slightly less attractive at first glance for whatever reason but women do have brothers, friends, dad's and partners. We want them to not have to bottle everything up till they have a breakdown. We want them to be able to open up.

A huge amount of sexual interaction takes place over a time horizon that is too short for whether he has bottled up feelings to be taken into consideration or quantified. I'm grateful that I have a girlfriend who I trust and am open with but in terms of anything short of a serious relationship, toxic masculinity is not a bad strategy.

In fact as it relates to the time horizon issue, certain toxic behaviors like drinking and smoking can be beneficial to men particularly in the short term as a strategy. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704916631615#sec-27

Lol, a woman complaining about men being sexually aggressive. If men stopped being sexually aggressive overnight women all over the world would be absolutely devastated. Women LOVE being sexually dominated.

I challenge this bullshit of toxic masculinity.

I had no sense I needed to be violent, needed to be respected and have some sort of secure position within a hierarchy, sure.

Unemotional? That is a requirement for women to not view you as a giant pussy. Men don't give a shit about hiding emotion until they learn it is necessary either at home via parenting or at school by seeing what repulses girls. And unemotional isn't even accurate: scared, timid, weak, sad, etc are the specific types of emotions that are suppressed.

Sexually aggressive? Unless you're a Chad, you will never get laid unless you "put yourself out there" and "have confidence" which is sexual aggression in a nutshell in objective terms, and is not a problem. It's only a problem when you're not a Chad and the girl isn't interested in you, then you're committing some form of assault.

I asked a girl straight up freshman year if she wanted to go back to my dorm room and have sex. She slapped me across the face and her friends demanded I apologize and I refused. Did I commit sexual assault? Would I have if she said hell yeah and we went? To make the story even more interesting, we ended up fucking junior year when my social status had skyrocketed.

Women aren't opposed to shit except what they don't want when they don't want it. This idea of toxic masculinity is a totally virtual gaslighting thought experiment that is being taken as canon in the mainstream and fundamentally confusing men in the millennial generation and newer. It doesn't exist. It is a chimerich afterbirth that dropped out of the womb of academia and proved useful for women - who pushed it until men relented and picked it up.

Women don't say they want masculine men, it's subconscious.

Women don't know what they want and won't stop until they get it..

Pretending to be stoic and naturally being stoic are two different ball parks though.

What women find to be admirable and sexually attractive in a man is in stark contrast to what's convenient to them and what's good for their pride and self esteem. This is why you see them unhappy with feminist approved men as well as other men.

This is also why you never ask a woman for advice in regards to social matters, they're always invested in misleading men when it comes to this stuff.

Knowing this is somewhat irrelevant since you can't change your looks or personality, but a short, obliviously happy beta is still less despisable than an angry bitter one.

Do femoids deliberately lie or are they so deluded they don't know they are lying?

I think most of them are confused tbh, but don't excpect honesty from the few who get it. Them slipping in word or deed is the only way you could catch them.

A bit of both. They'll say things without even attempting to assess how much truth their claim contains, as long as it is functional and helps secure some outcome they desire.

After doing this a bunch, repeating the same group of falsehoods and warped philosophies, they begin to become canonical and will be automatically referenced with total righteousness when needed. This fuels more falsehoods which fuels more delusion.

as long as it is functional and helps secure some outcome they desire.

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Sounds a lot like the liars on r/short.

This makes total sense, thanks for speaking the truth (vs all the blue pillers here and on short).

Appreciate that bro

Femoids are the cause of mental illness and suffering in men.

Femoids telling a man it's ok to cry is a test to see if she should continue to stay with him.

Women don’t even know what they want, it’s hard wired into them with no thought process. They see GigaChad and it’s over for anyone else if he as little as glances in their direction.

exactly! you tell them femoids!

Your bias is rooted in the fact that you are both two extremely conventional attractive people so you perceive relationships through that lens. You don't realize how much sexual attraction trivialises other traits

He's tall, white

Just be tall and white theory.