I’m not even joking I once heard a feminist say housework is tougher than the husbands work because it’s “perpetual” and never really ends because it doesnt have specific hours like a wage job LOL fucking turbocopers all of them

This is about Europe right?

Australia as well

Australia does off a few weeks paternal leave and there are European countries that offer up to 87 weeks of leave to men.

The development of paternity leave for men has been relatively recent, but definitely needs to keep up.

What are we talking about here? Volunteering? Adoption? What?

Literally anything is more beneficial to the planet than shitting out another human.

What would be more important to get time off from work besides maternity or medical leave?

Almost anything.

Let me try different wording maybe you'll answer then. What could someone like yourself need leave for that your vacation time wouldn't be able to cover?

Do you understand what wage slavery is? Go look at life expectancy stats and health outcome stats, and see if you can observe how they correlate perfectly with the amount and type of work a person does. You're asking why people would need time off from that.

Yes I am familiar with it..however not the point.of my question. I suggest you read more carefully.

I suggest you go back and read the thread. You're the one who diverted.

Ok got the answer I expected, thanks.

We're here to make more humans, that's the basic plan of all lifeforms.

Would there be anyone left working if every person was allowed to go on paid leave for any reason?

Eh, no. Norway. That's one country. I live in the netherlands where it is 12 weeks.

I live in the US so it's different here drastically, but that's more for the child than parent.

In Romania it's 2 years

That's way too long.

Life on ez mode I’ll bet you don’t know what child birth even is.. Jesus you guys need to get more female friends than your mom.

The thing that infuriates me the most is that, when the companies don't want to employ someone who can just GTFO for a year, there are entire government-sponsored CAMPAIGNS about how it's "disciminatory to ask women if they're planning a family before hiring them".

The same people behind these campaigns are usually behind all the other cultural wars as well...

Have you ever had a child (how could you, lol)? Babies are exhausting to take care, they need constant supervision and your sleep cycle is totally fucked up. Do that for one year and let me know how easy it is.

They sleep 14 hours a day. "Supervision" = sitting in the same room.

They sleep with a fucked up sleep cycle. And they cry, they poo, they need to be taught, and you can't have a day of "alone time" because you're their main caretaker.

Again, have you ever taken care of a baby for more than one month while body recovering (yeah, we forgot that you pushed that creature from your genitals)?

They sleep with a fucked up sleep cycle.

For 14 hours a day. Sleeping with a fucked up sleep cycle for 14 hours a day, when you have nothing remotely physically laborious to do, including leaving the house, is, oddly, not taxing. Your "alone time" is when the other parent or grandparent takes over. In my sister's case, she lives with the grandparents, so there's lots of it. Whenever they're home, she's in bed. Then, at 3, it's off to nursery for 15 hours per week. Then, at 5, it's off to school for 35 hours per week.

I had this boring conversation on this sub a few days ago. Paid work is objectively much harder than child caring. You only need to look at life expectancy and health outcomes to prove that. And indeed the fact that most women choose to have a child instead of wage slaving. Whereas most men are forced to wage slave when a woman makes that choice. You're aware that it's a choice, right? Kids aren't mandatory.

And pregnancy aint shit. I've endured much worse. Most people get sick, and have no choice.

Dogs need way less care than babies

Again, let's talk again when you'll become a parent

> Again, let's talk again when you'll become a parent

nigga remember where you are

I took care of my sister's kid from his 2nd month alive to his 3rd birthday. Babies aren't hard to take care of once you settle into their routine like a competent fucking person, hell, half the time when he was asleep I could pop out for a jog to the store and a cigarette, plus keeping him from crying basically meant "feed him on time" and "let him stare at the TV while I watch anime".

People who pretend taking care of babies is some sort of superhuman effort are lazy and uncommitted. Our ancestors have been doing it for fucking millennia with none of the shit we take for granted nowadays. It's not hard. You're not a hero. You're a fucking parent in a line of several thousand in your family.

Our ancestors have been doing it for fucking millennia with none of the shit we take for granted nowadays. It's not hard. You're not a hero. You're a fucking parent person in a line of several thousand in your family.

LOL the same thing could be said about getting laid, meanwhile here it is this sub. Just because we're "meant" to do something, it doesn't mean it's simple.

Anyway, good for you that it was easy, I know many people who are/were totally taken by their baby and can't have free time anymore.

I spent 10-11 hours at school and sports then I came home to my fucking cat, it wasn't allowed out of my room in the house for six months unless it was with my sister or outside. I would literally wake up to it scratching the door, running all over the place, pawing my face to wake me up. I lost some sleep but I didn't die. Most of the time it even slept on my chest!

Boo hoo you have to take care of your baby

Nothing wrong with it, just is not as relaxing as you're (childless men) are portaying it.

Just...just stop kids sleep in whatever pattern they want and supervision means keeping them from dying or suffering. They aren't pokemon.

just stop kids sleep in whatever pattern they want

For 14 hours. Just lol @ believing broken sleep for 14 hours, when your day job consists of sitting down is hard work.

supervision means keeping them from dying or suffering.

lol wat. It consists of it sleeping anywhere upto 16-18 hours per day. They're asleep more than they're awake. And when they're asleep, you can sleep. By "keeping them from dying" you mean ensuring they can breathe. If they need anything, they cry and wake you. You feed and change them a few times per day. 90% of mothers share duties with grandparents and/or a partner. While wage slaves pay for anything they need.

I've lived with a child from zero to 3 and a half. Good luck telling me something I don't know.

I'm raising my child with my wife and I don't give a good shit what you think you know being uncle or cousin or whatever. Just being near a situation isn't being in it and omg must people do not lots of people to share the parenting with.

Because from the outside you observed some parenting in motion with loads of extra helpers (and a very long sleeping baby by the sound of it) doesn't make you the expert at all.

You can talk flippantly all you want but you haven't carried your child through gas pain,fevers,medication reactions,and an endless list of things that can and do happen.

You lolling at my beliefs when they are based on my actual children is AMAZING btw.

omg must people do not lots of people to share the parenting with.

I'm raising my child with my wife

Most people do not do childcare alone. And if they do, if they're female, that's their own fault. Women decide to have a child. Therefore they have the responsibility to choose someone suitable to Father the child, if they're incapable of raising it. Which generally entails being in a LTR, discussing and deciding on having a child over a prolonged period of time, and getting their enthusiastic consent. Not getting knocked up by some fuckboy, deciding to keep it, and saying to the guy "guess what, I'm pregnant and I'm tired of stacking shelves, so better step up!"

You haven't added anything factual. I stated facts. None of which you refuted.

and a very long sleeping baby by the sound of it

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/a7645/how-much-sleep-does-your-baby-need

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/a1051092/how-much-sleep-does-your-toddler-need

You stated your observations and linked some health averages but real life isn't like that, all babies do all the things you read about within a huge range of variance.

I won't even touch on your diatribe about choosing partners and child rearing though as that's your personal biases and nothing more.

linked some health averages but real life isn't like that

Do you know how averages work?

all babies do all the things you read about within a huge range of variance.

Just a riff on the most stupid argument there is. "Your stats are wrong because anecdotes and variation".

Doesn't mean you should get paid time off from your employer to raise your spawn. They should just fire you

Yet there's no male equivalent

My company awards 3 months of paternity and maternity leave to employees....women don't get a year.....

Lol now you are just being silly, let's be logical about this. Giving birth is similar to having surgery, and many countries have adapted leave for both parents. This has been a thing both men and women have faught for because the husband should have the right to be a father and take time off paid.

If you were to have open heart surgery you would get time off paid, so are you saying you shouldn't be given the time off? Also you are forgetting that by law an adult must be home with the baby so if money is tight normally one parent chooses to continue to work for the benefit of the child while one continues to stay home unpaid. Daycare is pretty expensive shit and it actually ends up being cheaper for one parent to stay home.

I feel this is just a jab at women because you are angry and if I'm right then I'd assume you are incredibly Immature. You are so angry you have chosen to neglect the child's well being in your logic.

So in other words you want to shame women or give them zero help for doing what their bodies are ment to do? For procreating to keep the human race going? Pregnancy is a time consuming and painful process but someone has to do it.

I have to ask is this for real or is this a troll. This has to be a troll, I can't even take you seriously.

Dude please get some help if this is real, nothing justifies your logic here. This is simply driven by cruelty and anger.

Well to keep the human race going yes someone does and guess what women had no choice in the matter just as you had no choice.

No need to be nasty because you feel the need to make women pay. I'm sorry to say this but please take a good long look at yourself because no women in their right mind would want to date someone who thinks like this.

Regardless of population issues does this justify allowing our women suffer?

By punishing them for having children when it takes 2 to tango.

Actually Mat leave is allotted per child. Each parent can take it or split it.

Both husband and wife get maternity leave here in Canada so

The 52 weeks can be split between both parents paid. At least where I live.

Cooking and cleaning are no longer needed thanks to soylent and robot vacuum cleaners and dishwashers so having a housewife is such a waste of money. Any man who has one is not thinking right.

Learn some shit before you talk shit dude, I'm a stay at home Dad these days and I used to pull 14 hour shifts at my old job and yeah housework is waaaaaaaaay worse.

3am,4am,5am sick kid screaming in pain is fucking harder that office work. You have a bad day and blow up at your co-worker you might pull a reprimand do that at home and you're building a future shitty human.

idiot cuck

Brilliant logic! I'm a cuck for raising MY children, it's cucks all the way down.

cuck

Please explain this.

There’s no explanation. For all the cope-talk, they sure need to convince each other that typical couples consist of a dude begging for sex and a woman fucking the neighbor, instead of just two people who like being around each other and share a sexual attraction

They have to believe non-“chads” are cucks. I think it’s partly because they’ve gotten a lot of shit from hormones lately (fair or not) and really wish that typical people were also secretly suffering

Lol no it isn't.

New law: no stay at home moms

Especially if they're only going to watch Dr Phil all day. Time to go full feminist and get these bitches back to work two weeks after giving birth. Back to work ladies, millions of NEETs depend on you.

Yeah, the babies are gonna be really thankful. ;)

Who has babies anymore? It's 2018. Pregnancies are a tool of the patriarchy to control women into subservience.

Lol. I must be from a different reality then.

Watching Ellen & Judge Judy = work to these Femoids.

Housework sucks. I'd rather do a real job.

But you'd suck at whatever job you get most likely compared to a man working the same job

I already work and no, I'm actually really good and get paid well.

I bet you think WNBA players have just as much skill as NBA players too

I'm not into sports.

I dislike basketball to but it was an analogy you retard

....that’s a job dependent completely on physical athletic ability, how the fuck is that analogous to any office or corporate job?

how the fuck is that analogous to any office or corporate job?

Men are smarter and more efficient in the workplace than women

If you were paid well, and hated housework, you'd just hire a maid to sweep your house once a week.

Or is that another thing you just "don't do because" but will keep whining about?

I already pay someone to take care of stuff like cutting the grass, laundry, washing dishes, etc.

I wish I looked like Lara Croft!

Most jobs aren't real jobs. Most jobs are superfluous and ultimately useless to society.

I work in construction, which absolutely has a direct benefit to society.

Housework takes 30 minutes per day. A real job takes 8-10 hours per day.

Yep. My Dad probably works 8 hours, but it takes up 12 hours of his day. He's up at 5.30am and home at 6pm. A bus and a train into work, and back again. He's done that for 40 years. 30 of those years outdoors lugging heavy timber around. lol @ staying at home sitting on a couch being harder. Then he comes home to be cucked and ordered around like a slave.

30 minutes a day if you live by yourself, maybe.

Yeah, 40 if you have kids. 60 if you're a neat freak.

Cleaning doesn't multiply by the number of people. Whether there are 1 or 10, you still only need to hoover up and wipe down surfaces once per week. And if you're sat on your arse all day, you could do with the exercise.

tru dat. I see my sister in law who's a "stay at home mom" on steam playing games all day.

Eh, that's debatable. I don't work 8-10 hours a day and I have a real job. That's why I can be here so often.

A real job = a 40 hour week, at least.

No, not really. If you can get paid the same as a 40-hour a week job, but only work 20 hours a week or less, wouldn't you do it?

I do do it. Still isn't a real job.

You're a lazy fat whore with a disgusting personality. It's expected you can't even clean your own house

I can, but I have the means to be a job creator instead.

I wish all women were housewives. Home making and child rearing is their natural environment, not pretending to be men by working 40 hours a week. Putting women in the workforce has helped no one but business owners by increasing the labor pool in certain jobs and driving down wages.

Actually adding women into the workforce is a big reason why North America is still a first world country.

It's why Saudi Arabia has begun to rethink their treatment of women within society.

You sound like you want slaves, thank god you really have no say in our progress. I get you are angry but there is no need to be nasty.

You sound like you want slaves, thank god you really have no say in our progress regress.

I'm sorry you are so butt hurt over the lack of control you have over another gender, but I guess good luck with that. Wouldn't call it a regression but I guess I'd think it was too if I was so sour.

Goodluck

K

Enjoy your depression

As long as I can fuck her mouth any second I want I’m fine

She has to put dishes in a dishwasher and fold laundry... her shoulders hurt you big meanies :(

Thank God for homosexuality and libtards making it paradise.

I dislike basketball to but it was an analogy you retard

Let me try different wording maybe you'll answer then. What could someone like yourself need leave for that your vacation time wouldn't be able to cover?

Yep. My Dad probably works 8 hours, but it takes up 12 hours of his day. He's up at 5.30am and home at 6pm. A bus and a train into work, and back again. He's done that for 40 years. 30 of those years outdoors lugging heavy timber around. lol @ staying at home sitting on a couch being harder. Then he comes home to be cucked and ordered around like a slave.

Please explain this.

how the fuck is that analogous to any office or corporate job?

Men are smarter and more efficient in the workplace than women