One thing I was shocked to discover on the internet is the sheer lack of empathy people, especially women, have for lonely and depressed men.
They rarely see us as victims needing help, only losers either feigning suffering, or deserving of it. And don't tell me this is because of the few extremist ranting incels. The exact same thing was happening to FA before and they were much more tame.
Just look at what happens when women try to offer support or empathy on this sub. We get told we're roastie whores who can't possibly understand the incel struggle, and however sincere we are it's taken as insulting. It's very difficult to find any way to try and help that won't be mocked and instantly dismissed.
That is false. There have been many highly upvoted comments and even threads of women empathizing with incels.
The women who get "attacked" in here are either passive aggressive, give out some bluepilled platitude or offer "help" in the most superficial way, which looks more like a virtue-signal than an actual attempt at helping.
By 'empathise' there, you mean 'agree with'. Women who come here and say that the incels are correct in their thinking, or produce some sort of 'confession' about their roastie ways are embraced, yes. But if you come along and say, like I do, 'I can see your point but I think your views on women are wrong on x issue' you get howled down.
I know incels get a lot of criticism and I'm sure after a while that everything looks like that, but my main frustration is that you spread ideas among yourselves that are actually stopping you from dating. As an example, it's often said here that women select partners solely on looks. My direct experience is that I didn't do that, and I can't think of more than a few women of my acquaintance that are hopelessly shallow to that degree.
Now if incels allowed that I was correct about things that have actually happened in my own life, they wouldn't need to be so hopeless. They would know that yes, being ugly isn't going to help you in finding a woman, but it's not the total disability they think it is.
But no, I'm always told I'm wrong. Someone will post a screenshot of some 19 year old gigglytits saying she loves some male actor's arse and that confirms to incels that 'women only love Chad'. It feels like you're deliberately choosing the most depressing option as true.
By 'empathise' there, you mean 'agree with'. Women who come here and say that the incels are correct in their thinking, or produce some sort of 'confession' about their roastie ways are embraced, yes. But if you come along and say, like I do, 'I can see your point but I think your views on women are wrong on x issue' you get howled down.
I can think of several that don't agree with all our viewpoints and are frequently upvoted or liked because of the empathy they are showing. They aren't liked by everyone, because, understandably, women shouldn't really be here anyway, but they are ther and far from hated.
Oh please. There are countless studies posted here and r/blackpillscience that show women severely underestimate how much they value looks in romantic pursuit. Next you're gonna tell me you tots dated below average men before, and Im gonna show you this , meaning women perceive only the top 20% of men to be above average.
Women are so insanely privileged in dating that your perception is completely twisted. Trying to get dating advice from women is like trying to get "how to get rich" advice from a billionaire heir.
Maybe you once considered shared hobbies when you had to choose between a high-tier normie and a chadlite. Waw, you're so not shallow, good for you.
That's exactly what I was talking about. You're rewriting my experiences to fit in with your 'studies'. I'm not going to post a picture of my boyfriend, obviously, but if even 5% of women would swipe in his favour on Tinder I'd be very surprised. I love him so to me he's very attractive but objectively he doesn't tick a single one of your Chad boxes.
All right, I'll bite. Let's say you're an actual outlier and you don't overestimate your boyfriend's ugliness.
You're still just that, an outlier, a unicorn. There aren't enough women like you to accommodate for all incels. Some might get lucky like your bf, but most will still be condemned to being incel.
My first partner was a virgin at 40, is he an outlier too?
I'm honestly telling you that, from my point of view, knowing the vast amount of people I know, women are much less choosy than you think. If I think about young women then yes, looks do carry more weight at that age but that's true for men too.
I wouldn't ever say looks aren't important- that's not how humans work. We do judge people on appearances, not just a person's build and face but how they've chosen to dress, have their hair, all that. But it's impossible to pick a mate and have a successful relationship just based off that. That's why pretty much nobody out of their teens really tries it.
Yes, and you back it up with Tinder 'studies' and blackpill 'science'. Just tell me how it is that I'm a fairly observant person out in the world and I see it entirely differently from you. Is my little seaside town full of unusually kind hearted and thoughtful people? I've not got many friends on facebook but I could probably pick out a dozen women in long term relationships with men you'd think were absolute growlers.
Ah, the endless loop. Short of me conducting a large study of my own, nothing I could say could satisfy you. Even then there would be bound to be something wrong with it, wouldn't there?
Why are you so determined that the world is as bad as you say it is? Because I don't think you really want proof that happiness can be found if you're ugly.
Ah, the endless loop. Short of me conducting a large study of my own, nothing I could say could satisfy you.
We've been told same things for the majority of our lives. Doesn't it make sense that we don't like these kinds of explanations?
Even then there would be bound to be something wrong with it, wouldn't there?
No science is perfect but it's the best path to objectivity. Personal anecdotes make us feel worse than we already do because all those anecdotes imply that we're inherently flawed as humans.
Don't you realize that every time you say stuff about "women seeing ugly men" makes us feel like fucking trash.
"So, I'm uglier than ugly?"
Because I don't think you really want proof that happiness can be found if you're ugly.
We've been trying to get that happiness for decades on end, woman and all the world gave us is a short stick and a fuck you. So fuck you too. Even if you were a man, I'd tell you same things and told you "fuck you" all the same as well.
Look I was a virgin until I was 28, I was fat then, and I'm fat now, and I was convinced that was the reason I was single. It never crossed my mind to think I must be fatter than every other fat woman in a relationship.
Look I was a virgin until I was 28, I was fat then, and I'm fat now, and I was convinced that was the reason I was single. It never crossed my mind to think I must be fatter than every other fat woman in a relationship.
...This isn't really comparative considering how often "fatcels=volcels" is chanted.
It boils down to 'women aren't as picky and heartless as incels think'. I don't know your particular circumstances, but if you're convinced no woman could possibly like you then there's every chance you're wrong.
Honestly, I don't want to get started on this again because I'm told personal experience is irrelevant.
I'll say this. I have two cats. If someone tries to lecture me about my cats, even though they've never met them, and has in fact kept dogs all their life, I'm justified in thinking they are not as informed on the topic as I am.
well, its relevent for me. espicially if you really wanna help. i want to understand where you are coming from. if you are ok about talking about it ofc.
but if you're convinced no woman could possibly like you then there's every chance you're wrong.
No, no, no. Its a self fullfilling prohpechy. It's that if you have that mindset women can tell. It affects your demeanor, your confidence, and your persona. They just blame women because they can't accept it's more than just looks that drive women away, it's their actual personality.
Which do you think is more important, treating a woman you're trying to chat up like an individual or referring back to blackpill 'science'? Because I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy if I assumed you were like 'men' instead of the one man you are.
Your personal experiences are valid. You matter. I believe you are being honest.
However, what is the purpose of sharing your direct experience here? Just general friendship bonding, shooting the shit? Show and Tell? Or are you using it as evidence in a logical argument to show incels their life isn't hopeless?
If you're doing the latter, the problem is that the anecdotal experience of 1 person does not contradict statistical evidence from a large sample. It's a weak argument and does not provide hope. Ok, so your own experience was different. Cool. But that's no indication that an incel will have that experience.
AWALT is hyperbole. If you read the sidebar on r/TheRedPill, there's a disclaimer that they're not really saying all women. The "but I'm different" is a pedantic sophomoric argument that misses the point. It's just a rule of thumb. These men are much more likely to encounter the rule than the exception, so it's more practical to plan for the rule than hope for a rare unicorn. Just because you're an exception doesn't make any appreciable impact on their prospects in their own lives. Just because you have your own anecdotal experience doesn't disprove "blackpill science", or any science for that matter. However, women get offended at being generalized and react to that instead of seeing the underlying point being made.
There's nothing I can say that you'll accept as reasonable.
First, this is false. Just "anecdotal evidence disproves studies" is unreasonable. Second, coming into it with this assumption is self-sabotaging. You assume futility then, when you find it, pat yourself on the back. But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, ironically the very argument you've been trying to make to incels. Your assumptions and defeatism are not helping your efforts. You're an incel at giving support LOL.
We're not on the red pill, awalt is a term used here to mean exactly what it stands for.
I can't argue this with you any more. You're not incel yourself, but you're encouraging the men here to stay as they are. Cutting off all hope, telling them to plan for the worst because that's what's going to happen. My motives for being here are clear... are yours?
awalt is a term used here to mean exactly what it stands for
If you don't realize this sub uses hyperbole for humor and shock value and you take it all 100% literally...
you're encouraging the men here to stay as they are
No, I just recognize that you can't effectively counsel or diagnose people over the internet. No professional would try what you're doing. You think you're more qualified than them?
Also, false. This community encourages some self-improvement: weight loss, exercise, "gymcelling", making money, plastic surgery. We congratulate incels who finally get dates! There's also a lot of commisseration and venting, because that's what depressed people do, and that shouldn't be a crime.
Cutting off all hope, telling them to plan for the worst because that's what's going to happen.
Not cutting off anything. They're already blackpilled. They believe it with or without me. The evidence is compelling. Blackpill is supported by Tinder experiments, OkCupid experiments, and peer-reviewed results in evolutionary psychology and psychology. Many non-incels believe blackpill too. Your own life story is much weaker evidence than all the evidence in favor of blackpill.
People here still secretly hope they'll find a rare unicorn that defies the trend and can be happy. That's why they haven't roped. But it's extremely unlikely. The odds are heavily against them, and they'll never get to enjoy the experiences most women and attractive men have at the same ease and frequency. This is all just an expression of nihilism.
My motives for being here are clear
Intent matters much less than impact... unless your real purpose is virtuesignalling, patting yourself on the back telling yourself you're helping (without actually helping anyone), or trying to impress some omniscient deity.
It's possible to empathise with someone while believing they are wrong about something. I'm not an incel, but I went entirely untouched by male hand until way past the age most of you are now. I understand loneliness, I understand thinking you're so hideous people despise you, I understand just aching for someone to hold you.
I don't want you to feel like that any more. I don't, and my life is immeasurably better for it. So any suggestions I give on here, any corrections I try to make, are with the intention of helping you out of your situation. Because if when I was in my early twenties I'd come across a forum saying 'men only want women for sex', 'men hate fat women' and 'men only have kids so they use them to find a hot girlfriend' I could have fallen into it, believed it, and ended up thinking that AMALT. I wouldn't have been friendly to men, so I wouldn't have found a partner, and I'd still be alone.
So you've got a forum full of guys who are in a particular situation, and don't know how to get out of it, even if they desperately want to. You think you can help. Do you try? How do you do it?
So you're an anonymous stranger on the internet. They don't know you. You could be a troll. You could be an IncelTears plant baiting them into saying things to post there to make them look bad. You could be one of the many people who will later PM them telling them to kill themselves. You could be a 50 year old male sexual predator. You could be a hacker trying to doxx them. You could be a real woman but lying about everything.
You claim to have the capacity for empathy. Use it. Put yourself in their shoes. Why would they trust you? There are so many realistic scenarios where you could be dangerous and not trustworthy. Worse, these guys have been bullied and ostracized throughout their lives and constantly trolled on the internet. They think the world hates them. Do you think their default assumption will be that you're trustworthy? No. Trust has to be earned. If they don't trust you, they won't listen to you.
Ok, so how do you gain their trust? Well, how do you build trust with any other humans? For one, avoid doing things that undermine trust. A post history on IncelTears doesn't help. Calling them hateful misogynists doesn't help. Calling the blackpill stupid and judging all their beliefs doesn't help. Even if you believe those things are true and "common sense", saying it undermines attempts to build trust. You can be right but then not trusted and no one will listen to you. Decide what matters more to you.
Once you have their trust, then they're more likely to listen to offers for help. But you have to understand that they're not going to implicitly trust every random stranger who approaches them anonymously on the internet.
Why do you think professional counsellors refuse to diagnose or treat people anonymously over the internet? It's 100 times less effective than in person.
Maybe the problem is this hubris:
You think you can help
What makes you think you're qualified or even have the skillsets to help, let alone the trust? Maybe the best thing you can do is direct them to IRL resources.
If you get lucky and build trust with some incels, PM them and have one-on-one conversations to see if you can help with their problems. Don't assume you know everything up front. Seek to listen and understand too while you're helping, maybe adjusting your strategy as you become aware of new things.
I've been posting here for about a year, the guys know I'm not an anonymous stranger through my consistent posting history. I'm not an idiot who has not idea how to relate to people, I have had many fruitful PM conversations. I don't go on IncelTears. I haven't done any of what you describe really.
What was that about 'Don't assume you know everything upfront'?
Just look at what happens when women try to offer support or empathy on this sub.
Can you point me to 3 examples where a woman tried to offer empathy and support on this sub and she was not also judging incels, shaming incels, screenshotting to IncelTears, or ridiculing incel beliefs in other comments?
Someone took the trouble to pm me to tell me to lock myself and my family in my house and burn it down because we disagreed about the age of consent. I don't think that's uncommon.
Exactly mronion82. I'm also a female who has tried to say, you guys are wrong, and I'm told I'm wrong. Sorry, who's actually a woman here? Who's actually giving you the female perspective? I guess we need to remember incels know more about women than women đ
There's a reason the internet's most hated type of person is always depicted as a socially awkward, low-tier man (tips fedora, neckbeard, brony (who are all nerds). Even though these groups are all full of the most harmless people you could possibly imagine, the internet hates them because to them they have failed at life. And when a man fails at life you don't try to bring him back up you beat him down, because it's funny, and makes you feel better about your own life.
And despite all that, at least a couple of them appear to have girlfriends. How the fuck'd that happen? It certainly couldn't be their carefree and fun personalities, right?
The songs annoying af, and I've never watched past like 10 seconds of it, but that's the thing: I close the video and move on with my life. But, just like with this subreddit and women, to the rest of the internet, these guys are the personification of evil, and everyone fucking attacked these guys relentlessly (this website especially). Just look at the comments section. Who jumped in to say "Hey, these guys are just trying to have fun, maybe we should leave them alone?". No one.
I went through the same notion when I first saw this. Video was cringy af, but I thought nothing of it because I didn't feel any need to continually watch the rest it. Thousands of other people on the otherhand, did not.
I went through the same notion when I first saw this. Video was cringy af, but I thought nothing of it because I didn't feel any need to continually watch the rest it. Thousands of other people on the otherhand, did not.
It depends on how you present your depression. Women are more submissive, and when depressed they will tell people about how awful the are and how pathetic and hopeless theyâve made their own lives. Men are more aggressive, and when depressed they will sometimes tell people how bad the world is to them and how horrible life has been to them. Those are two different angles, and for the general public, one is more sympathetic than the other because it doesnât feel like blaming and excuses, and is more just pathetic. However, while the typical female approach is more sympathetic-sounding, the male approach can be more practical since it seeks out solutions and causes.
Maybe it's not entirely out of the question that it's because men are expected to take a greater degree of responsibility for their problems and are treated closer to adults rather than children.
Which is also perhaps the reason why its easier for men to be intimidating and gain respect. I don't think it's too silly to suggest there are advantages and disadvantages to the way society instinctually reacts to men's and women's problems. I certainly would rather people tell me to get my act together for myself and allow me to get stronger as a consequence, than have others solve my problems for me and have me be no better than I was previously.
or even better. go to r/needadvice or whatever the fuck it was and one of the mods bluequal or some shit is a massive cunt who told a depressed guy that "he's the biggest whiniest bitch she's ever seen and can help make a man out of him"
I was late at losing my virginity. But that is not an excuse to hate women.
I have been rejected by loads of ladies. But I do not hate any of those women for rejecting me.
I still say it is is evil, cowardly and sick to be attracted to bullies. It is creepy to see evil as manly and sexy. But I do not hate any woman for turning me down.
It is totally wrong, to hate all women.
Many woman are attracted to good men. Yes the women who attracted to bullies are wrong.
But that is not an excuse to decide to hate or bully and woman who turns you down. It is sick to think al women you like, should fancy you.
It is evil to pick on people who are suffering. Also being called mongs, or creep, or wierdo, by some horrible bullies, is bullying. and it does cause people to be depressed.
It can cause mental illness, and suicide. It is not trivial.
Also male children can get sexually abused, just like women do, by evil people.
Just because someone is white and male it does not mean they have not been bullied, sexually abused, beaten up, and made to feel worse.
Go somewhere else and cry, you sound like a roastie. Getting raped isn't worse than being beat up and you literally lost your virginity at age 5 so stop whining.
I'm not crying about it, I rarely mention it. I just commented it for all the lurking IT cucks.
Idk, I've gotten beaten up plenty of times, getting raped by the babysitter was definitely worse.
Why don't you break into prison and let the inmates rape you then? It's no worse than being beaten up and you wouldn't be a virgin anymore, right? If you don't do this then you're a VolCel.
Why would he want to ruin his life just to get raped? At least you got sexed by a female. You're proposing that this guy gets his anus stretched out in prison lmao
Having a criminal record is pretty much guaranteeing ruining your life, especially if you're a low value male. 'Escaping inceldom' is a fantasy only achieved by fakecels and mentalcels who take meds.
It sucks that you were raped at that young an age. I would have happily traded places with you, though. That doesn't mean I want to go to prison and get raped by felons, and neither does the guy you were jokingly proposing it to.
Ehh, depends on where you live I guess. Having a record for one petty crime one time isn't going to severely handicap you here.
He literally said being raped is no worse than being beaten up. If it isn't that bad in his eyes, there are steps he can take to being raped. He doesn't even have to go to prison.
Sounds like someone who's never been raped and has no idea how violating it is. I'd much rather get beat up than raped. Hell, getting beat up sometimes comes with rape.
Damn man, sorry to hear that. I hope you got the help you needed. Don't listen to these sick fucks, applauding you being raped. Real humans empathize with you and hope you're doing better and are mentally in a good place.
Nobody (male or female) should be raped. It's an awful thing to go through, i haven't personally gone through it, but my best friend has and it's messed her up. I'm here for you if you need to talk!
Men's ways to reduce stress, anxiety, etc. are not the same as women's. We are equal, but not identical. The kind of psychological treatment that helps girls is NOT the same that helps boys. It can even make things worse for boys. Like Tupac said about how much he wished he had had a father: "Mom can only do so much. A women can not calm you down the way a man can". And this also applies the other way around: girls need moms and shouldn't be raised by single dads. And boys need moms and girls need dads. Statistically speaking boys without fathers are more likely to commit murder, robbery, rape, mass-shootings, suicide, be drug addicts, go to prison, drop out of high school...
Boys are not defective girls. Don't eliminate boys' communities, activities and treatments to replace them with girls' under the premise that "We are all identical, so the stuff that works for girls must work for boys too". No. It doesn't. It actually hurts them very badly.
If you tell people that youâre a male virgin above 20 people automatically assume you have something wrong with you. If a male is depressed, he gets told to toughen up.
"Ugly" men hate themselves, society typically pities them.
Male depression is not addressed by society appropriately, I agree. But that's a bigger entrenched problem dealing with how we divide gender roles and attributes. (Same goes for domestic or sexual abuse of men.) When women are depressed, they're viewed as dramatic. Depression in itself has a stigma problem that's not exclusive to any gender.
You can see how men and women are viewed by looking at the picture I posted.
I'm not saying female depression doesn't exist. I'm saying that women are treated much better than society, and piss down on ugly men (justneckbeardthings, niceguys, inceltears) while crying about equality and that they're oppressed.
It's unfair to say women don't care because the second they hear incel they think "women's hate group". Incel is a negative term regardless if you like it or not and why would they want to show any empathy or sympathy to a group who claims they want to rape and control women?
Let's be logical here, if an ISIS sympathiser posted:. Hey everyone I'm an ISIS sympathiser but very depressed I want to kill myself", who would give a fuck?
No one, why because they are associating themselves with a known violent group. So get your head out of your ass and look at this in a logical way.
Here is an idea go to a forum and don't claim you are an incel but say you are depressed. Post those results then see what happens.
It sucks when a group of people look at others as a cancer on society based off the actions of a few. But honestly it's the same logic incels use towards women, a few rotten eggs have spoiled it for the rest.
It's true and it's a sad fact. Someone has to break this cycle for us all to live peacefully but everyone has such an ego about it no one thinks they should make the first attempt.
Incels is not a violent group, as we have told you many times over. We are deeply saddened by the acts committed in the name of the blackpill, which is inherently a religion of peace. The prophet SaintBlackOpsIICel (pbuh) himself was always against violence, and taught peace. I think itâs very unfair to compare incels to ISIS. Youâre forgetting about the millions of peaceful incels in the world.
You are correct I agree you guys aren't as bad as ISIS but a select few extremists is what the world sees. They assume things before getting to know you guys personally but can you blame them?
Incels are seen as terrorists currently and looked down upon as a hive mind terror group. A few rotten eggs have given you this image and it sucks because not everyone here believes in violence.
Now why i ask if you could blame them is because incels are guilty of doing the exact same thing to women. You group women all together as a single hive mind who you all are looking to take down and ruin.
It sucks when people see you as a threat when really we are all just trying to survive.
Iâm not admitting something that is not true. Iâm always open to repsectful conversations with normies who sympathize, or even to those who want to debate.
All the femcels who they stick their feet out to trip over and pretend it was an accident, have 'prank' long-con fake relationships with just to make fun, and drive up to with their cars and honk at just to scare and laugh. They also exodused all of the original incels for fun:
screech about how much they hate women for not giving them the pussy
Oversimplification. Incels complain about how the dating market is favoring women by a large margin and why lovelessness is detrimental to their mental health. It is a very valid concern. Touch starvation is a real thing.
I'm sure it is, but it's a tall order to ask for sympathy when your coping mechanisms are this toxic and this sub is overtly hostile to any attempts at sympathy anyway. This sub calls people hypocrites for not showering people who seethe about "roastie whores" with sympathy.
Some people in the sub. Others try to be understanding, and just want to either convince people that itâs very hard for an ugly man nowadays, that personality doesnât matter much for incels, and that incels are not the stereotyped neckbeards. There are genuinely good conversations going on, but sometimes itâs hard to see because of the idiot incels/normies who scream at each other.
Bull, the misogyny is a feature of this community, not a bug. It's one of the things that makes incels distinct from other groups of male virgins. No one here questions it and you're more than happy letting it take root here, which is why it's so pathetic that when incels deservedly gain a reputation, you act like people are shitting on you because you're "low value males". Tell me honestly, do you think in that pic where people are criticizing incels, the reason they're doing it is because of the toxicity rampant in this community or because they just don't like weak nerdy virgins and they're mean evil bullies. Be absolutely honest.
Itâs because incels are an easy target, easily demonized and hated.
Why do you think this community is like what it is? Itâs one thing to be romantically unsuccessful, but when
- the media essentially tells you that youâre worthless
- whenever you tell your woes to people you get told that youâre probably fat, donât have a job and have an awful personality in addition to being entitled to women
- you get to see firsthand how your attractive friends have it so easy when talking to women, and they donât even talk to you
then please tell me what would you do. What you call toxicity is a perfectly natural response. If you kick a dog enough times, donât be surprised when it bites back.
Yes, the reason why incels are angry is because society treats them like they arenât worth anything. And then when they lash out, itâs them who are at fault? No, I donât think so.
And when I say biting or lashing out, I mean verbal aggression, not killing people. Nowadays I even have to make that clear, because otherwise hateful incelophobes will twist my words.
the funny thing is that men suffer from depression more than women. but people only care about women's problems. that's why men commit 70% of the suicides and will die at an early age.
People don't only care about women problems, it's just that women are more likely to seek help than men. And men tend to view women as weak and unable to care for themselves, while men view other men in the "masculine-sense" - men should be strong mentally and physically, men should be able to handle themselves and take care of business. If anything, more men should be stepping up and fighting for equal rights on that ground. And I'm saying this as a feminist. It's awful the way you guys treat each other.
And, on a side-note: Women attempt suicide more than men, but men are more successful because men use more violent ways - guns, hangings, jumping off buildings. Women choose pills and alcohol, which take a long time to kill, leaving more time to seek help or someone to find them before they die.
What about all the women in psychiatric wards for severe depression, who canât leave the room or havenât been outside their house or with another person in years? I know women who were depressed like this, and one hung herself and another jumped off a bridge.
This is just basic psychiatric medical science. There have been thousands and thousands of documented cases of major depression in females. Itâs been studied endlessly.
I believe females can be depressed but with a few caveats:
Generally depression is much worse for men for a variety of reasons.
A lot of females do the "tee-hee I'm depressed and ugly and no one likes me :(" thing to be quirky and attention-whore. It's not just a couple of women either. So many of them do this.
yeah, when you fuckin take people talking, yknow, directly to someone with depression or a mentall illness and compare it to people posting comments about a broad fucking group of people that are mostly anonymous, youre gonna get different results.
This is disgusting. Also curious though, what type of people are commenting/responding to the depressed peoples. For women it sounds like mostly other women responding and for the men it sounds like chads responding. The response to men and depression makes me so mad. Definitely makes me lose respect for humanity. More men commit suicide than women - how hard is it to see that? Whatâs so hard about trying to be there for a man just like people are there for women?
You guys need to chill with the sweeping generalizations. Back when I was in my early 20âs Iâd occasionally whine on social media and get totally ignored or picked on by my friends.
The one on the right isnât about a guy who is just âdepressedâ , itâs about someone who the commenters perceive to be part of the âincelâ Group, not just by definition of
Being involuntarily cel, but they say incels and they mean âpeople who subscribe to the hateful awful evil thinking that Iâve seen on the incels boards a few times â.
When they say these terrible things about incels and wish pain on them, theyâre not just talking about virgins , but rather, people who they think are evil and hateful, and they believe that the term incel is defined by that. And thatâs because a lot of hateful evil stuff does get approved around here. But itâs not everyone.
Go to a depression sub men and women alike both get sympathy.
Ah, the endless loop. Short of me conducting a large study of my own, nothing I could say could satisfy you.
We've been told same things for the majority of our lives. Doesn't it make sense that we don't like these kinds of explanations?
Even then there would be bound to be something wrong with it, wouldn't there?
No science is perfect but it's the best path to objectivity. Personal anecdotes make us feel worse than we already do because all those anecdotes imply that we're inherently flawed as humans.
Don't you realize that every time you say stuff about "women seeing ugly men" makes us feel like fucking trash.
"So, I'm uglier than ugly?"
Because I don't think you really want proof that happiness can be found if you're ugly.
We've been trying to get that happiness for decades on end, woman and all the world gave us is a short stick and a fuck you. So fuck you too. Even if you were a man, I'd tell you same things and told you "fuck you" all the same as well.
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1 bcat124 2018-05-24
One thing I was shocked to discover on the internet is the sheer lack of empathy people, especially women, have for lonely and depressed men.
They rarely see us as victims needing help, only losers either feigning suffering, or deserving of it. And don't tell me this is because of the few extremist ranting incels. The exact same thing was happening to FA before and they were much more tame.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Just look at what happens when women try to offer support or empathy on this sub. We get told we're roastie whores who can't possibly understand the incel struggle, and however sincere we are it's taken as insulting. It's very difficult to find any way to try and help that won't be mocked and instantly dismissed.
1 bcat124 2018-05-24
That is false. There have been many highly upvoted comments and even threads of women empathizing with incels.
The women who get "attacked" in here are either passive aggressive, give out some bluepilled platitude or offer "help" in the most superficial way, which looks more like a virtue-signal than an actual attempt at helping.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
By 'empathise' there, you mean 'agree with'. Women who come here and say that the incels are correct in their thinking, or produce some sort of 'confession' about their roastie ways are embraced, yes. But if you come along and say, like I do, 'I can see your point but I think your views on women are wrong on x issue' you get howled down.
I know incels get a lot of criticism and I'm sure after a while that everything looks like that, but my main frustration is that you spread ideas among yourselves that are actually stopping you from dating. As an example, it's often said here that women select partners solely on looks. My direct experience is that I didn't do that, and I can't think of more than a few women of my acquaintance that are hopelessly shallow to that degree.
Now if incels allowed that I was correct about things that have actually happened in my own life, they wouldn't need to be so hopeless. They would know that yes, being ugly isn't going to help you in finding a woman, but it's not the total disability they think it is.
But no, I'm always told I'm wrong. Someone will post a screenshot of some 19 year old gigglytits saying she loves some male actor's arse and that confirms to incels that 'women only love Chad'. It feels like you're deliberately choosing the most depressing option as true.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-24
I can think of several that don't agree with all our viewpoints and are frequently upvoted or liked because of the empathy they are showing. They aren't liked by everyone, because, understandably, women shouldn't really be here anyway, but they are ther and far from hated.
1 bcat124 2018-05-24
Oh please. There are countless studies posted here and r/blackpillscience that show women severely underestimate how much they value looks in romantic pursuit. Next you're gonna tell me you tots dated below average men before, and Im gonna show you this , meaning women perceive only the top 20% of men to be above average.
Women are so insanely privileged in dating that your perception is completely twisted. Trying to get dating advice from women is like trying to get "how to get rich" advice from a billionaire heir.
Maybe you once considered shared hobbies when you had to choose between a high-tier normie and a chadlite. Waw, you're so not shallow, good for you.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
That's exactly what I was talking about. You're rewriting my experiences to fit in with your 'studies'. I'm not going to post a picture of my boyfriend, obviously, but if even 5% of women would swipe in his favour on Tinder I'd be very surprised. I love him so to me he's very attractive but objectively he doesn't tick a single one of your Chad boxes.
1 bcat124 2018-05-24
All right, I'll bite. Let's say you're an actual outlier and you don't overestimate your boyfriend's ugliness.
You're still just that, an outlier, a unicorn. There aren't enough women like you to accommodate for all incels. Some might get lucky like your bf, but most will still be condemned to being incel.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
My first partner was a virgin at 40, is he an outlier too?
I'm honestly telling you that, from my point of view, knowing the vast amount of people I know, women are much less choosy than you think. If I think about young women then yes, looks do carry more weight at that age but that's true for men too.
I wouldn't ever say looks aren't important- that's not how humans work. We do judge people on appearances, not just a person's build and face but how they've chosen to dress, have their hair, all that. But it's impossible to pick a mate and have a successful relationship just based off that. That's why pretty much nobody out of their teens really tries it.
He didn't get lucky; I got lucky.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
Not to the same bloody extent as for women. It's among the main points of contention we always whine about, goddamn it.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Yes, and you back it up with Tinder 'studies' and blackpill 'science'. Just tell me how it is that I'm a fairly observant person out in the world and I see it entirely differently from you. Is my little seaside town full of unusually kind hearted and thoughtful people? I've not got many friends on facebook but I could probably pick out a dozen women in long term relationships with men you'd think were absolute growlers.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
Or do you honestly think 30 people disprove general trends that can be observed? Fight the faulty methods with science, no personal anecdotes.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Ah, the endless loop. Short of me conducting a large study of my own, nothing I could say could satisfy you. Even then there would be bound to be something wrong with it, wouldn't there?
Why are you so determined that the world is as bad as you say it is? Because I don't think you really want proof that happiness can be found if you're ugly.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
We've been told same things for the majority of our lives. Doesn't it make sense that we don't like these kinds of explanations?
No science is perfect but it's the best path to objectivity. Personal anecdotes make us feel worse than we already do because all those anecdotes imply that we're inherently flawed as humans.
Don't you realize that every time you say stuff about "women seeing ugly men" makes us feel like fucking trash.
"So, I'm uglier than ugly?"
We've been trying to get that happiness for decades on end, woman and all the world gave us is a short stick and a fuck you. So fuck you too. Even if you were a man, I'd tell you same things and told you "fuck you" all the same as well.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
So hearing that an ugly man has a relationship makes you think you must be uglier than him? That's such a weird assumption to make.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
Yeah, basically.
For people like you - maybe. Gap of understanding is real.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Look I was a virgin until I was 28, I was fat then, and I'm fat now, and I was convinced that was the reason I was single. It never crossed my mind to think I must be fatter than every other fat woman in a relationship.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
Thanks for the information that will totally get me laid and a loving partner.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Ah, you whingy bugger. If I could magic you up a girlfriend I'd do it in a heartbeat.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
It was sarcasm, not whinging. Or are you that sarcastically stunted that you require an /s tag for stuff like that?
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Oh, for... Never mind.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-24
...This isn't really comparative considering how often "fatcels=volcels" is chanted.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
just get your anecodtes outta here, we know normies lie
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1 mronion82 2018-05-24
That's very interesting, thank you.
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1 MMDT 2018-05-24
https://i.redd.it/6w9fqqc4eoz01.jpg
1 lonewolf-20000 2018-05-24
ok I'll bite. what do you have to say to an incel like me?
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
It boils down to 'women aren't as picky and heartless as incels think'. I don't know your particular circumstances, but if you're convinced no woman could possibly like you then there's every chance you're wrong.
1 lonewolf-20000 2018-05-24
why do you think we are wrong?
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Honestly, I don't want to get started on this again because I'm told personal experience is irrelevant.
I'll say this. I have two cats. If someone tries to lecture me about my cats, even though they've never met them, and has in fact kept dogs all their life, I'm justified in thinking they are not as informed on the topic as I am.
1 lonewolf-20000 2018-05-24
well, its relevent for me. espicially if you really wanna help. i want to understand where you are coming from. if you are ok about talking about it ofc.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Sure, pm me if you want to talk.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-05-24
^ TURN UP this bitch is crazy as fuck she's gotta be on molly or some powder or something
1 G4KingKongPun 2018-05-24
No, no, no. Its a self fullfilling prohpechy. It's that if you have that mindset women can tell. It affects your demeanor, your confidence, and your persona. They just blame women because they can't accept it's more than just looks that drive women away, it's their actual personality.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-24
What do you think is more relevant, your personal anecdotes or general trends?
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Which do you think is more important, treating a woman you're trying to chat up like an individual or referring back to blackpill 'science'? Because I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy if I assumed you were like 'men' instead of the one man you are.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-24
Hypothetical women who don't care about looks are of no use to an incel unless it materializes into something concrete
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
Your personal experiences are valid. You matter. I believe you are being honest.
However, what is the purpose of sharing your direct experience here? Just general friendship bonding, shooting the shit? Show and Tell? Or are you using it as evidence in a logical argument to show incels their life isn't hopeless?
If you're doing the latter, the problem is that the anecdotal experience of 1 person does not contradict statistical evidence from a large sample. It's a weak argument and does not provide hope. Ok, so your own experience was different. Cool. But that's no indication that an incel will have that experience.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Because it disproves that all women are like xyz, as is the common claim.
I typed out a whole load of stuff here, but deleted it. There's nothing I can say that you'll accept as reasonable.
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
AWALT is hyperbole. If you read the sidebar on r/TheRedPill, there's a disclaimer that they're not really saying all women. The "but I'm different" is a pedantic sophomoric argument that misses the point. It's just a rule of thumb. These men are much more likely to encounter the rule than the exception, so it's more practical to plan for the rule than hope for a rare unicorn. Just because you're an exception doesn't make any appreciable impact on their prospects in their own lives. Just because you have your own anecdotal experience doesn't disprove "blackpill science", or any science for that matter. However, women get offended at being generalized and react to that instead of seeing the underlying point being made.
First, this is false. Just "anecdotal evidence disproves studies" is unreasonable. Second, coming into it with this assumption is self-sabotaging. You assume futility then, when you find it, pat yourself on the back. But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, ironically the very argument you've been trying to make to incels. Your assumptions and defeatism are not helping your efforts. You're an incel at giving support LOL.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
We're not on the red pill, awalt is a term used here to mean exactly what it stands for.
I can't argue this with you any more. You're not incel yourself, but you're encouraging the men here to stay as they are. Cutting off all hope, telling them to plan for the worst because that's what's going to happen. My motives for being here are clear... are yours?
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
If you don't realize this sub uses hyperbole for humor and shock value and you take it all 100% literally...
No, I just recognize that you can't effectively counsel or diagnose people over the internet. No professional would try what you're doing. You think you're more qualified than them?
Also, false. This community encourages some self-improvement: weight loss, exercise, "gymcelling", making money, plastic surgery. We congratulate incels who finally get dates! There's also a lot of commisseration and venting, because that's what depressed people do, and that shouldn't be a crime.
Not cutting off anything. They're already blackpilled. They believe it with or without me. The evidence is compelling. Blackpill is supported by Tinder experiments, OkCupid experiments, and peer-reviewed results in evolutionary psychology and psychology. Many non-incels believe blackpill too. Your own life story is much weaker evidence than all the evidence in favor of blackpill.
People here still secretly hope they'll find a rare unicorn that defies the trend and can be happy. That's why they haven't roped. But it's extremely unlikely. The odds are heavily against them, and they'll never get to enjoy the experiences most women and attractive men have at the same ease and frequency. This is all just an expression of nihilism.
Intent matters much less than impact... unless your real purpose is virtuesignalling, patting yourself on the back telling yourself you're helping (without actually helping anyone), or trying to impress some omniscient deity.
Look, feminists are saying it too: https://everydayfeminism.com/2013/07/intentions-dont-really-matter/
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Assumptions, again...
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
No assumptions. "unless your real purpose is " is a conditional statement. It makes no assumption.
If that is not your purpose, then the sentence's meaning is that impact matters much more than intent. (i.e. motives irrelevant)
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-24
No where in his entire comment sounded like an assumption.
This is why we get pissy with you people, because you don't even read a lick of what we say when we aren't shitposting our rhetoric.
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1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
good now delete your profile and leave reddit
1 MMDT 2018-05-24
Just give her this
https://i.redd.it/6w9fqqc4eoz01.jpg
And move on . you can't reason with these morons
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
Can you explain how this is demonstrating empathy, because most counselling professionals would disagree.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
It's possible to empathise with someone while believing they are wrong about something. I'm not an incel, but I went entirely untouched by male hand until way past the age most of you are now. I understand loneliness, I understand thinking you're so hideous people despise you, I understand just aching for someone to hold you.
I don't want you to feel like that any more. I don't, and my life is immeasurably better for it. So any suggestions I give on here, any corrections I try to make, are with the intention of helping you out of your situation. Because if when I was in my early twenties I'd come across a forum saying 'men only want women for sex', 'men hate fat women' and 'men only have kids so they use them to find a hot girlfriend' I could have fallen into it, believed it, and ended up thinking that AMALT. I wouldn't have been friendly to men, so I wouldn't have found a partner, and I'd still be alone.
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
Yes. Keyword is "believing", not "saying".
If you're trying to show empathy to a vulnerable or upset person, telling someone they're wrong heavily undermines that.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
So incels are 'vulnerable and upset' are they now? You could have saved a lot of typing if you'd just said 'never tell them they're wrong'.
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
This isn't specific to incels. It's common best practices around support and empathy in general. Have you not heard this information before?
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
So you've got a forum full of guys who are in a particular situation, and don't know how to get out of it, even if they desperately want to. You think you can help. Do you try? How do you do it?
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
So you're an anonymous stranger on the internet. They don't know you. You could be a troll. You could be an IncelTears plant baiting them into saying things to post there to make them look bad. You could be one of the many people who will later PM them telling them to kill themselves. You could be a 50 year old male sexual predator. You could be a hacker trying to doxx them. You could be a real woman but lying about everything.
You claim to have the capacity for empathy. Use it. Put yourself in their shoes. Why would they trust you? There are so many realistic scenarios where you could be dangerous and not trustworthy. Worse, these guys have been bullied and ostracized throughout their lives and constantly trolled on the internet. They think the world hates them. Do you think their default assumption will be that you're trustworthy? No. Trust has to be earned. If they don't trust you, they won't listen to you.
Ok, so how do you gain their trust? Well, how do you build trust with any other humans? For one, avoid doing things that undermine trust. A post history on IncelTears doesn't help. Calling them hateful misogynists doesn't help. Calling the blackpill stupid and judging all their beliefs doesn't help. Even if you believe those things are true and "common sense", saying it undermines attempts to build trust. You can be right but then not trusted and no one will listen to you. Decide what matters more to you.
Once you have their trust, then they're more likely to listen to offers for help. But you have to understand that they're not going to implicitly trust every random stranger who approaches them anonymously on the internet.
Why do you think professional counsellors refuse to diagnose or treat people anonymously over the internet? It's 100 times less effective than in person.
Maybe the problem is this hubris:
What makes you think you're qualified or even have the skillsets to help, let alone the trust? Maybe the best thing you can do is direct them to IRL resources.
If you get lucky and build trust with some incels, PM them and have one-on-one conversations to see if you can help with their problems. Don't assume you know everything up front. Seek to listen and understand too while you're helping, maybe adjusting your strategy as you become aware of new things.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
I've been posting here for about a year, the guys know I'm not an anonymous stranger through my consistent posting history. I'm not an idiot who has not idea how to relate to people, I have had many fruitful PM conversations. I don't go on IncelTears. I haven't done any of what you describe really.
What was that about 'Don't assume you know everything upfront'?
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
I used the general "you", responding to your scenario "so you have a ...". They were suggestions, in general, to a person seeking to do that.
Replace it with the pronoun "one" if that makes you feel less attacked. I wasn't making any assumptions about mronion82.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
it's reality so either agree with it or just go away
1 SyrusDrake 2018-05-24
"Gigglytits" is a fantastic term. I'm stealing that.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
It really conjures up a picture, doesn't it?
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-24
Can you point me to 3 examples where a woman tried to offer empathy and support on this sub and she was not also judging incels, shaming incels, screenshotting to IncelTears, or ridiculing incel beliefs in other comments?
1 circumventthisfgt 2018-05-24
Man, can you just fuck off? Can women in general just fuck off already?
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
They love laughing at us. Our suffering gives them happiness.
1 ap018734 2018-05-24
There have been some women who have come on here and who have been unfairly treated. However, they are a minority.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
Someone took the trouble to pm me to tell me to lock myself and my family in my house and burn it down because we disagreed about the age of consent. I don't think that's uncommon.
1 b_rouse 2018-05-24
Exactly mronion82. I'm also a female who has tried to say, you guys are wrong, and I'm told I'm wrong. Sorry, who's actually a woman here? Who's actually giving you the female perspective? I guess we need to remember incels know more about women than women đ
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
No but we always lie about everything, remember? If you're following Femoid Global Directive 827/C that is.
1 AntiAbleism 2018-05-24
Absolutely true. Menâs problems donât matter to them.
1 Mr_Breast 2018-05-24
There's a reason the internet's most hated type of person is always depicted as a socially awkward, low-tier man (tips fedora, neckbeard, brony (who are all nerds). Even though these groups are all full of the most harmless people you could possibly imagine, the internet hates them because to them they have failed at life. And when a man fails at life you don't try to bring him back up you beat him down, because it's funny, and makes you feel better about your own life.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
Seeing how women and society at large treat low value men reinforced the already apparent truth to me that women are inherently evil. AWALT.
1 HotDogsAnonymous 2018-05-24
And despite all that, at least a couple of them appear to have girlfriends. How the fuck'd that happen? It certainly couldn't be their carefree and fun personalities, right?
1 EWDnutz 2018-05-24
I went through the same notion when I first saw this. Video was cringy af, but I thought nothing of it because I didn't feel any need to continually watch the rest it. Thousands of other people on the otherhand, did not.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-24
I went through the same notion when I first saw this. Video was cringy af, but I thought nothing of it because I didn't feel any need to continually watch the rest it. Thousands of other people on the otherhand, did not.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-24
Women absolutely despise weak men
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-24
I do too. Being incel is not an excuse for being weak or weak minded.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
what came first chicken or the egg
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
the omelette
1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
it shoulda took a shower
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-24
bone structure
If youre weak you can definately change that, and you won't have my respect until you do.
1 CommonMisspellingBot 2018-05-24
Hey, BetaChad69, just a quick heads-up:
definately is actually spelled definitely. You can remember it by -ite- not âate-.
Have a nice day!
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1 thehardertruth2000 2018-05-24
But you are an incel. You're an IT /r/gaming soyboy that most likely watches IRL-streams instead of living life.
1 randomination 2018-05-24
Should have left a trigger warning lol
You can be an incel and still not be a beta bitch
1 MMDT 2018-05-24
No one gives a shit about low status men problems.
Imagine if 3/4 of homeless people were women, and most suicides were women , then how fast would society fix these problems.
1 gogolmogol 2018-05-24
Here is a difference between a lonely and depressed man, and an incel
1 NumberOneCan 2018-05-24
im a woman and i try to offer advice wherever i can to whoever i can soooo, uh. awkward.
1 leiphos 2018-05-24
It depends on how you present your depression. Women are more submissive, and when depressed they will tell people about how awful the are and how pathetic and hopeless theyâve made their own lives. Men are more aggressive, and when depressed they will sometimes tell people how bad the world is to them and how horrible life has been to them. Those are two different angles, and for the general public, one is more sympathetic than the other because it doesnât feel like blaming and excuses, and is more just pathetic. However, while the typical female approach is more sympathetic-sounding, the male approach can be more practical since it seeks out solutions and causes.
1 FemcellThrowaway 2018-05-24
No one is mean to depressed men who aren't toxic you delusiotoid.
1 Sideism 2018-05-24
Maybe it's not entirely out of the question that it's because men are expected to take a greater degree of responsibility for their problems and are treated closer to adults rather than children.
Which is also perhaps the reason why its easier for men to be intimidating and gain respect. I don't think it's too silly to suggest there are advantages and disadvantages to the way society instinctually reacts to men's and women's problems. I certainly would rather people tell me to get my act together for myself and allow me to get stronger as a consequence, than have others solve my problems for me and have me be no better than I was previously.
1 allodermate 2018-05-24
or even better. go to r/needadvice or whatever the fuck it was and one of the mods bluequal or some shit is a massive cunt who told a depressed guy that "he's the biggest whiniest bitch she's ever seen and can help make a man out of him"
wow what a stupid arrogant cunt
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-24
amazing
1 PaulMichaelJones 2018-05-24
I was late at losing my virginity. But that is not an excuse to hate women. I have been rejected by loads of ladies. But I do not hate any of those women for rejecting me. I still say it is is evil, cowardly and sick to be attracted to bullies. It is creepy to see evil as manly and sexy. But I do not hate any woman for turning me down. It is totally wrong, to hate all women. Many woman are attracted to good men. Yes the women who attracted to bullies are wrong. But that is not an excuse to decide to hate or bully and woman who turns you down. It is sick to think al women you like, should fancy you. It is evil to pick on people who are suffering. Also being called mongs, or creep, or wierdo, by some horrible bullies, is bullying. and it does cause people to be depressed. It can cause mental illness, and suicide. It is not trivial. Also male children can get sexually abused, just like women do, by evil people. Just because someone is white and male it does not mean they have not been bullied, sexually abused, beaten up, and made to feel worse.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-24
ok but most women do that, what now, cuck?
we hate women as a demographic due to their stone-age biology, why wouldn't we? what's wrong with it?
we are harassed a billion times more often than we harass any other woman, hate isn't a crime
no one here thinks that
1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
yeah hate is just passionate dislike, and if it's justified what is wrong with tha
1 WalkinWaski1 2018-05-24
Men aren't entitled to depression
1 resnine 2018-05-24
You're suppose to be strong, suck up your feelings, and just man it out.
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
JFL at IT cucks thinking they know everything about us. Some of us do actually know what it's like to suffer slavery or rape.
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-24
If you got raped you are by definition not incel
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
Getting sodomised by an old hag when when I was 4-5 years old doesn't mean I lost my virginity.
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-24
WAAAAAAH I WAS RAPED WAAAAAAH
Go somewhere else and cry, you sound like a roastie. Getting raped isn't worse than being beat up and you literally lost your virginity at age 5 so stop whining.
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
I'm not crying about it, I rarely mention it. I just commented it for all the lurking IT cucks.
Idk, I've gotten beaten up plenty of times, getting raped by the babysitter was definitely worse.
Why don't you break into prison and let the inmates rape you then? It's no worse than being beaten up and you wouldn't be a virgin anymore, right? If you don't do this then you're a VolCel.
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-24
"Just break into prison bro"
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
You don't even need to break in. Just commit a petty crime.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
Why would he want to ruin his life just to get raped? At least you got sexed by a female. You're proposing that this guy gets his anus stretched out in prison lmao
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
To escape inceldom. Besides, committing a petty crime isn't going to ruin your life.
I wasn't a man I was 4/5 years old.
I wasn't being serious. I was just trying to make him see how ridiculous his claims are.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
Having a criminal record is pretty much guaranteeing ruining your life, especially if you're a low value male. 'Escaping inceldom' is a fantasy only achieved by fakecels and mentalcels who take meds.
It sucks that you were raped at that young an age. I would have happily traded places with you, though. That doesn't mean I want to go to prison and get raped by felons, and neither does the guy you were jokingly proposing it to.
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
Ehh, depends on where you live I guess. Having a record for one petty crime one time isn't going to severely handicap you here.
He literally said being raped is no worse than being beaten up. If it isn't that bad in his eyes, there are steps he can take to being raped. He doesn't even have to go to prison.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
True, I'm talking about my circumstances of being a black male in America. Might be different for you.
And yeah, re-reading it makes that guy sound like a complete dumbass tbh lmao
1 LinksLight 2018-05-24
sodomized? ...?
1 LilLilyLiliana 2018-05-24
Sounds like someone who's never been raped and has no idea how violating it is. I'd much rather get beat up than raped. Hell, getting beat up sometimes comes with rape.
1 Gambino4k 2018-05-24
Damn, not only are you ugly in the outside, youâre also ugly in the inside. No wonder ur an incel
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-24
I'm not an incel I've had sex and I am going on a date with a real cutie patootie tomorrow :)
1 b_rouse 2018-05-24
Damn man, sorry to hear that. I hope you got the help you needed. Don't listen to these sick fucks, applauding you being raped. Real humans empathize with you and hope you're doing better and are mentally in a good place.
Nobody (male or female) should be raped. It's an awful thing to go through, i haven't personally gone through it, but my best friend has and it's messed her up. I'm here for you if you need to talk!
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
I don't want your pity.
Just using this as a learning experience, you lot don't know anyone of us and yet you make ridiculous claims about us as if you've lived our lives.
1 b_rouse 2018-05-24
Not sure what ridiculous claim I've made, but damn. Ok then, sorry for showing you compassion and hoping you got any help you needed.
I really so hope you're in a good place.
1 Beta_Bux_Alpha_Fucks 2018-05-24
Not talking about you specifically. But you lot from IT in general.
1 89Alex 2018-05-24
I'm very sorry that you were raped. On a completely separate note, which incels do you know who have ever been slaves?
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-05-24
Bear with me on this one.
Men's ways to reduce stress, anxiety, etc. are not the same as women's. We are equal, but not identical. The kind of psychological treatment that helps girls is NOT the same that helps boys. It can even make things worse for boys. Like Tupac said about how much he wished he had had a father: "Mom can only do so much. A women can not calm you down the way a man can". And this also applies the other way around: girls need moms and shouldn't be raised by single dads. And boys need moms and girls need dads. Statistically speaking boys without fathers are more likely to commit murder, robbery, rape, mass-shootings, suicide, be drug addicts, go to prison, drop out of high school...
Boys are not defective girls. Don't eliminate boys' communities, activities and treatments to replace them with girls' under the premise that "We are all identical, so the stuff that works for girls must work for boys too". No. It doesn't. It actually hurts them very badly.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
I get what youâre saying, but I donât think saying âhaha, you incel faggot, you deserve to be aloneâ is helpful to men.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-24
he probably thinks we gotta man up and be tough and bullying is good for us
1 Mr_Breast 2018-05-24
It seems like ll these differences between men and women conveniently result in women getting more love and appreciation.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
hrmmmm
1 FireAlarm911 2018-05-24
No we are not equal, dumb bitch
1 eyewant 2018-05-24
This is why nobody likes this sub.
1 FireAlarm911 2018-05-24
We've already ruined our reputation, no point in trying to change it now
1 eyewant 2018-05-24
Nirvana fallacy. It's never too late.
1 FireAlarm911 2018-05-24
We don't want to change it though.
1 eyewant 2018-05-24
Having empathetic normies helps the incel cause though.
1 SmokeyMcBlunt 2018-05-24
Stopped right there.
1 Luna4x0 2018-05-24
Degrading and blaming an entire gender doesn't exactly make you an empathetic figure. It's all about delivery.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
If you tell people that youâre a male virgin above 20 people automatically assume you have something wrong with you. If a male is depressed, he gets told to toughen up.
Society hates ugly men, donât try to deny it.
1 Luna4x0 2018-05-24
"Ugly" men hate themselves, society typically pities them.
Male depression is not addressed by society appropriately, I agree. But that's a bigger entrenched problem dealing with how we divide gender roles and attributes. (Same goes for domestic or sexual abuse of men.) When women are depressed, they're viewed as dramatic. Depression in itself has a stigma problem that's not exclusive to any gender.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
You can see how men and women are viewed by looking at the picture I posted.
I'm not saying female depression doesn't exist. I'm saying that women are treated much better than society, and piss down on ugly men (justneckbeardthings, niceguys, inceltears) while crying about equality and that they're oppressed.
1 DoshLaunderSpic 2018-05-24
Lol, they fucking don't, they tell you devote your life to a carreer and whip you everytime you crack under the weight that others put on you.
1 Luna4x0 2018-05-24
Soooo, the basic human experience???
1 DoshLaunderSpic 2018-05-24
We don't get family or friends to support us, since we're not people.
1 Luna4x0 2018-05-24
That's mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
Go fuck yourself.
1 DoshLaunderSpic 2018-05-24
That's how reality works for some of us, carry the burden of abstract concepts (money, obligation, debt, responsibility,....etc) and do it silently.
1 x_Sterry_x 2018-05-24
Well in this set up you are comparing
It's unfair to say women don't care because the second they hear incel they think "women's hate group". Incel is a negative term regardless if you like it or not and why would they want to show any empathy or sympathy to a group who claims they want to rape and control women?
Let's be logical here, if an ISIS sympathiser posted:. Hey everyone I'm an ISIS sympathiser but very depressed I want to kill myself", who would give a fuck?
No one, why because they are associating themselves with a known violent group. So get your head out of your ass and look at this in a logical way.
Here is an idea go to a forum and don't claim you are an incel but say you are depressed. Post those results then see what happens.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
til I'm a violent terrorist
time to go blow up soem wimmenz
1 x_Sterry_x 2018-05-24
It sucks when a group of people look at others as a cancer on society based off the actions of a few. But honestly it's the same logic incels use towards women, a few rotten eggs have spoiled it for the rest.
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
Good to know that toxicity breeds toxicity. who woulda thought
1 x_Sterry_x 2018-05-24
It's true and it's a sad fact. Someone has to break this cycle for us all to live peacefully but everyone has such an ego about it no one thinks they should make the first attempt.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Incels is not a violent group, as we have told you many times over. We are deeply saddened by the acts committed in the name of the blackpill, which is inherently a religion of peace. The prophet SaintBlackOpsIICel (pbuh) himself was always against violence, and taught peace. I think itâs very unfair to compare incels to ISIS. Youâre forgetting about the millions of peaceful incels in the world.
1 x_Sterry_x 2018-05-24
You are correct I agree you guys aren't as bad as ISIS but a select few extremists is what the world sees. They assume things before getting to know you guys personally but can you blame them?
Incels are seen as terrorists currently and looked down upon as a hive mind terror group. A few rotten eggs have given you this image and it sucks because not everyone here believes in violence.
Now why i ask if you could blame them is because incels are guilty of doing the exact same thing to women. You group women all together as a single hive mind who you all are looking to take down and ruin.
It sucks when people see you as a threat when really we are all just trying to survive.
1 FemcellThrowaway 2018-05-24
You would be angry if you got more sympathy and do all you can do to change it to feed your persecution complex, admit it
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Iâm not admitting something that is not true. Iâm always open to repsectful conversations with normies who sympathize, or even to those who want to debate.
1 FemcellThrowaway 2018-05-24
Maybe not you, but most of the rest.
I feel like a cuck giving out any sympathy to a community of mostly abusers.
What is your theory for why comments sympathetic to incels are downvoted heavily in threads like this?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Abusers? Whom did incels abuse?
I also donât think downvoting is that bad here. Sympathy comments are downvoted to at most -10.
Sorry, I wonât be able to continue talking, I got to get to bed now.
1 FemcellThrowaway 2018-05-24
All the femcels who they stick their feet out to trip over and pretend it was an accident, have 'prank' long-con fake relationships with just to make fun, and drive up to with their cars and honk at just to scare and laugh. They also exodused all of the original incels for fun:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/woman-who-invented-incel-movement-interview-toronto-attack
They're not even really that mad, they just think it's fun to pretend to be.
1 Incelvester 2018-05-24
So fucking true
1 TheiWindFelt 2018-05-24
Hypocrisy is the greatest crime to equality.
1 wwidb 2018-05-24
You're comparing depressed people to people who screech about how much they hate women for not giving them the pussy. Apples and oranges.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Oversimplification. Incels complain about how the dating market is favoring women by a large margin and why lovelessness is detrimental to their mental health. It is a very valid concern. Touch starvation is a real thing.
1 wwidb 2018-05-24
I'm sure it is, but it's a tall order to ask for sympathy when your coping mechanisms are this toxic and this sub is overtly hostile to any attempts at sympathy anyway. This sub calls people hypocrites for not showering people who seethe about "roastie whores" with sympathy.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Some people in the sub. Others try to be understanding, and just want to either convince people that itâs very hard for an ugly man nowadays, that personality doesnât matter much for incels, and that incels are not the stereotyped neckbeards. There are genuinely good conversations going on, but sometimes itâs hard to see because of the idiot incels/normies who scream at each other.
1 wwidb 2018-05-24
Bull, the misogyny is a feature of this community, not a bug. It's one of the things that makes incels distinct from other groups of male virgins. No one here questions it and you're more than happy letting it take root here, which is why it's so pathetic that when incels deservedly gain a reputation, you act like people are shitting on you because you're "low value males". Tell me honestly, do you think in that pic where people are criticizing incels, the reason they're doing it is because of the toxicity rampant in this community or because they just don't like weak nerdy virgins and they're mean evil bullies. Be absolutely honest.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Itâs because incels are an easy target, easily demonized and hated.
Why do you think this community is like what it is? Itâs one thing to be romantically unsuccessful, but when - the media essentially tells you that youâre worthless - whenever you tell your woes to people you get told that youâre probably fat, donât have a job and have an awful personality in addition to being entitled to women - you get to see firsthand how your attractive friends have it so easy when talking to women, and they donât even talk to you then please tell me what would you do. What you call toxicity is a perfectly natural response. If you kick a dog enough times, donât be surprised when it bites back.
Yes, the reason why incels are angry is because society treats them like they arenât worth anything. And then when they lash out, itâs them who are at fault? No, I donât think so.
And when I say biting or lashing out, I mean verbal aggression, not killing people. Nowadays I even have to make that clear, because otherwise hateful incelophobes will twist my words.
1 shadowcat211 2018-05-24
Society has always crapped on virgin males, incels are just the next version of that.
1 lonewolf-20000 2018-05-24
the funny thing is that men suffer from depression more than women. but people only care about women's problems. that's why men commit 70% of the suicides and will die at an early age.
1 Sideism 2018-05-24
Actually, women are more likely to have depression, stress, and anxiety by every measurable metric that currently exists.
1 lonewolf-20000 2018-05-24
that's because of the birth control pills they take.
1 b_rouse 2018-05-24
People don't only care about women problems, it's just that women are more likely to seek help than men. And men tend to view women as weak and unable to care for themselves, while men view other men in the "masculine-sense" - men should be strong mentally and physically, men should be able to handle themselves and take care of business. If anything, more men should be stepping up and fighting for equal rights on that ground. And I'm saying this as a feminist. It's awful the way you guys treat each other.
And, on a side-note: Women attempt suicide more than men, but men are more successful because men use more violent ways - guns, hangings, jumping off buildings. Women choose pills and alcohol, which take a long time to kill, leaving more time to seek help or someone to find them before they die.
1 lonewolf-20000 2018-05-24
are you a woman?
1 b_rouse 2018-05-24
I am, but I'm not sure why that matters.
1 inuyoshi1 2018-05-24
I own a YouTube channel and posted several videos of incels suffering bullying, hardly anyone commented anything.
So I posted a video of a "female" incel. I received several messages of support, my video was viewed more than 10,000, hundreds of comments, etc ...
Female can not be the incel, females can not have depression. Its over.
Prove:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NC9o4v67k&t=
1 ShinJoe 2018-05-24
Depressed should be in quotes on the one about women. Females cannot be depressed.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
I don't agree with you on that.
1 leiphos 2018-05-24
What about all the women in psychiatric wards for severe depression, who canât leave the room or havenât been outside their house or with another person in years? I know women who were depressed like this, and one hung herself and another jumped off a bridge.
This is just basic psychiatric medical science. There have been thousands and thousands of documented cases of major depression in females. Itâs been studied endlessly.
1 apoptosiscel 2018-05-24
I believe females can be depressed but with a few caveats:
Generally depression is much worse for men for a variety of reasons.
A lot of females do the "tee-hee I'm depressed and ugly and no one likes me :(" thing to be quirky and attention-whore. It's not just a couple of women either. So many of them do this.
1 NumberOneCan 2018-05-24
yeah, when you fuckin take people talking, yknow, directly to someone with depression or a mentall illness and compare it to people posting comments about a broad fucking group of people that are mostly anonymous, youre gonna get different results.
1 masteracct 2018-05-24
This is disgusting. Also curious though, what type of people are commenting/responding to the depressed peoples. For women it sounds like mostly other women responding and for the men it sounds like chads responding. The response to men and depression makes me so mad. Definitely makes me lose respect for humanity. More men commit suicide than women - how hard is it to see that? Whatâs so hard about trying to be there for a man just like people are there for women?
1 TheMedsPeds 2018-05-24
You guys need to chill with the sweeping generalizations. Back when I was in my early 20âs Iâd occasionally whine on social media and get totally ignored or picked on by my friends.
Having a vagina doesnât make you popular.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Sorry about that. But having a vagina makes people be kinder to you, that I can say for certain.
1 TheMedsPeds 2018-05-24
Certain people you are right, I will give you that. Not all people though. It depends on the person and the context of the situation too.
1 Guatchman 2018-05-24
But muh equality
1 Vaasmgie 2018-05-24
Post context you weiner
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
Every situation where a woman or a man confesses depression on reddit
1 JPSYCHC 2018-05-24
The one on the right isnât about a guy who is just âdepressedâ , itâs about someone who the commenters perceive to be part of the âincelâ Group, not just by definition of Being involuntarily cel, but they say incels and they mean âpeople who subscribe to the hateful awful evil thinking that Iâve seen on the incels boards a few times â.
When they say these terrible things about incels and wish pain on them, theyâre not just talking about virgins , but rather, people who they think are evil and hateful, and they believe that the term incel is defined by that. And thatâs because a lot of hateful evil stuff does get approved around here. But itâs not everyone.
Go to a depression sub men and women alike both get sympathy.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-24
I get what youâre saying, but I donât think saying âhaha, you incel faggot, you deserve to be aloneâ is helpful to men.
1 Mr_Breast 2018-05-24
It seems like ll these differences between men and women conveniently result in women getting more love and appreciation.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-24
We've been told same things for the majority of our lives. Doesn't it make sense that we don't like these kinds of explanations?
No science is perfect but it's the best path to objectivity. Personal anecdotes make us feel worse than we already do because all those anecdotes imply that we're inherently flawed as humans.
Don't you realize that every time you say stuff about "women seeing ugly men" makes us feel like fucking trash.
"So, I'm uglier than ugly?"
We've been trying to get that happiness for decades on end, woman and all the world gave us is a short stick and a fuck you. So fuck you too. Even if you were a man, I'd tell you same things and told you "fuck you" all the same as well.
1 FireAlarm911 2018-05-24
No we are not equal, dumb bitch
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-24
hrmmmm
1 SmokeyMcBlunt 2018-05-24
Stopped right there.
1 mronion82 2018-05-24
It really conjures up a picture, doesn't it?