Ask them, but you'll be likely told, "we're not wearing them for you". So either they're insecure as fuck about being 10 cm shorter than the average man and seek to compensate that, or they're wearing them for Chad.
Heels mask the size of a woman's feet because we judge what's touching the ground. Large feet in women = unattractive. It also causes more hip sway when they walk and tones their calves and butt to wear heels.
Then don't complain about them as though there were a gun to your head and you were being forced to wear them. And the fact that you wear them because you are small only makes things worse for shorter guys.
I dont, i know that with my height they are a part of life and its better to love them than hate them. How does it make things worse for shorter guys? Even with heels men are always taller. But other girls shouldnt have to not wear something they like bc it makes someone else insecure.
Because females inherently are attracted to taller men. This is literally one of the most well documented sexual preferences in the entirety of our species. By artificially increasing your height you are decreasing the amount of males that will be taller than you.
Even with heels men are always taller.
You must be one of the females to whom short men are invisible then. We exist and we do not need the additional challenge of females wearing heels to compete with.
But other girls shouldnt have to not wear something they like bc it makes someone else insecure.
I never said that, idiot. Why do females always do this retarded shit? That is a rhetorical question. I know the answer. I never said a damn thing about insecurity. I am talking about biologically grounded facts about human mating behaviors in which females choose to mate with taller males of which wearing heels reduces the number of potential partners due to a reduced perception of taller males from the added height.
Okay cool but if im not looking for a man then why should i worry about how attractive other guys are?
No i dont think short men are invisible, they are just still taller than me. I havent talked to a guy that was smaller than me in heels he would have to be 5'2 and even then thats an inch shorter if an inch is what ruins his night he can wear platforms himself and not worry what im doing.
Okay cool but if im not looking for a man then why should i worry about how attractive other guys are?
What the fuck are you going on about? Never once did I say that you have to worry about anything. Fucking hell, I'm done. Trying to talk to female posters here always ends with them doing this sort of idiotic shit and trying to bend things into something they are not.
No i dont think short men are invisible, they are just still taller than me. I havent talked to a guy that was smaller than me in heels he would have to be 5'2 and even then thats an inch shorter if an inch is what ruins his night he can wear platforms himself and not worry what im doing.
Im not bending anything, you said me wearing heels bc im short makes it worse on short men bc they will be seen as less attractive. Their attractiveness doesnt mean anything to me and me finding them attractive isnt relevant to them, so how am i making it worse? Telling me the science behind why women love tall men isnt important here can you give a better reason to why im making things worse?
Yeah those men exist but they are a ridiculously small percentage, im not going to stop going something that makes me feel happy and pretty bc it might make a tiny man less attractive, when i dont care about how attractive he is in the first place.
They wear heels because they find height attractive in men so therefore men must find it attractive in women. They try to get high paying careers working 90 hours a week and acting very masculine in their job because they find that trait attractive in men so men must feel the same way. They act slutty and have lots of sex partners because they find that trait attractive in men so it must work the same way for women.
lol dude if you don't actually talk to people you're never going to understand their motivations. You are imagining a woman who doesn't exist and has never had that entire set of nonsensical thoughts you're spouting out from your keyboard rage dry dicked self
I'm in college and have spoken to many women. They actually believe shit like being masculine and having a high paying career makes them attractive. As if a guy would choose a 5/10 high strung masculine "alpha female" roastie CEO working 80 hours a week over a virgin kind hearted nice feminine girl working a minimum wage job at Starbucks.
Career literally does nothing to raise a womans attractiveness, being able to cook and having nice feminine personality trumps all that shit.
Men absolutely do not view the job of a spouse as the same kind of relationship magnet as women do. When a woman is describing a guy she is dating she will often say "he has a nice job."
Completely untrue tbh. When I was out there I didn't like girls with low paid jobs - too many expectations on me. Things can be much more manageable if the situation is more equitable in my experience.
Yeah there will always be someone who disagrees. That's why phrases like "all men ever do X, y and z" are great signs of a poor thought process. Contrary to the expression, exceptions don't actually prove rules, they disprove them.
Like, when people say things like "everyone loves pizza" it's because the vast majority of people do and not 100% of them, right? I think most people have good enough inference skills to get that.
Somewhat. I think you have to judge each case on it's individual merits. If we were talking about pizza then I'd agree with you, because it's so trivial, but this is quite a serious topic that is impacting people's lives a lot, so I feel like it's more appropriate in this situation.
I also think that there are probably a lot more men who feel like I do than you think.
I think you should maybe not be so hung up on semantics and realize that even if more people than just you feel that way, it is still not how the vast majority of men feel.
Hence, like I said, almost every woman will bring up a man's job when talking about him as a dating prospect, and most men will focus on other things.
I think inference is really important here, most people didn't need to have it explained this in depth.
I think you should be less hung up on how the majorities of men and women behave and be more interested in the nuances and differences between people.
If a woman brings it up it's not necessarily because she wants to assess your earning power. Jobs are big parts of our lives - maybe she's interested in your choices for other reasons, or is simply trying to keep a conversation moving forward.
If you go through life expecting everyone to conform to these ideas you have any hope the vast majority of people behave then you'll find ways to confirm these biases and your world will become the shallow place you see it as. If you flip it on its head then life becomes a different experience entirely.
I think we can both agree ( I hope) that just because I used the word "all" instead of "most" doesn't really give you the tools to tell me any of that about my character in general or how i should view people in general, so I'll ignore that part. You should do you and view things how you want though when it comes to what you think they mean when they all say it.
But they do say it frequently and openly express that what makes the job "good" is the dollar amount the person generates from it. When I said that "be less hung up on" thing, I meant in terms of reading the words and understanding their meaning. Not on your actual thoughts or personality. It's only advice for this conversation.
Yes we can agree on that. I hope at the same time that you'll agree that our chain of posts tells us a little about each other, more than just the choice between two words. It wasn't intended as a judgement on your character, so my apologies for any offence caused. It was partly levelled at inceldom in general.
There's no denying that there's a lot of women out there out for a man with a lot of money - there's also a lot of women out there who aren't. For what it's worth, when you type things like "but they do" it parses the same as "most women", at least for me.
My only concern is that through conversation like this people can become biased, and through that bias maybe miss opportunities they would otherwise have seen, because they've written that woman off as a gold digger for example.
I think it's hard navigating society , because it's difficult to understand when we should be generalizing and when we shouldn't. I do think it;s worth examining but in this case I wouldn't be saying it if there wasn't so much focus on what a males job is where you hear it listed on the short list of what women look for.
I wasn't outraged at all btw, It's all good. I just wanted to keep the conversation more about the "what do women mean when they hyperfocus on jobs when choosing male partners?"
I also don't think that most people would cop to saying "I only care about a mans jobs because of the money" when asked, so it's kind of hard to really know how women feel when talking to them about their values.
Yeah generalisations are dangerous but also necessary to a significant degree.
From what I've seen, though yes money is an important factor, there are other elements to a man's job that might impact on their assessment of relationship prospects - is it a job with long hours or extended periods away from home, is it a job that is altruistic (like teaching) or is it purely about money (sales), is it a field in which many women work (will you be tempted to have an affair?), etc. There are lots of things that career choice can tell you about a person.
Some anecdotal evidence: I'm dirt poor, because I am basically a subsistence farmer. I am also married, so I don't go out looking for women, but I do enjoy their company so I talk to them often. I don't get a lot of attention from random women until they start hearing about my job - when I talk about my lifestyle and how I spend my days often their attitude completely changes and they are eager to talk more. The look in their eyes is clear. Is it because I own land and a house? Perhaps, but it is not a glamorous lifestyle. I posit it is because it is a life that appeals to them for other reasons, that they would like to share, or because it tells them things about my personality that are quite different from most men they meet.
That is interesting. I actually just bought a house recently, so I am going to be paying attention to how people in general treat me after they learn that.
That being said, I mostly come here to learn things and see how people think, and at this point I am beyond the need for companionship so I can't say I share the pain that this group goes through in their desire for companionship in their own lives. It must be hell, but I do think they will eventually get over it and find peace.
It's actually kind of poetic, in that if they are so hurt by not being able to date that they say "life is pointless" they actually think women are the most important thing in existence. Being that hurt by their absence so deeply speaks volumes.
I think the way you are explaining women viewing jobs is a little bit idealistc. Like it seems like it is what someone who wanted to find the good in people would say, which I can appreciate for it's idealism but can't say I agree with. I think that when it comes down to it, all people are greedy so I wouldn't expect women not to use their position in society as a means to find the richest man they can. They might like other aspects of his job, but ultimately I think most, if sat down and given the offer , wouldn't care if their husband changed professions as long as the money was good (and like you said they could be sure he wouldn't cheat or have other women after him.)
Oh yeah people are greedy, but it's not necessarily money they are greedy for. Yeah there's a lot of gold diggers out there, but things change in a long term, committed relationship, especially after marriage. There are lots of reasons why a woman might support a move to a worse paying job - less stress brought home, less time away from home, something more moralistic to set a good example for children, less time ways commuting etc. Women can behave very differently once they begin to settle down.
I do agree, but I also would phrase those other things as personal gains, even though they might not be monetary. The idea is still "what can I get from this man, and Is it more or less in some way then before?"
Still, nothing here said is going to be 100%, so if we are looking for something that is we might be here a while. lol
Oh yeah, I agree. I did try to illustrate that with my last comment but it obviously didn't work. Yeah, people are greedy for things other than money.
I don't know if you've ever been in an ltr but I've found that once someone gets really settled in a relationship they stop lusting after personal gains and replace that greediness with greed for things that will benefit the family unit, especially any children that might be involved.
Imho it's ok to think about what you get out of a relationship, as long as you think about what you put back in too. Including women. Once there's an imbalance where someone is taking and not giving then serious problems arise.
And yeah, we're both adult enough to know that none of this is 100%. I'm just talking from anecdotal experience at this point.
I think we found some common ground here, because I do agree with you on that. I think the problem here though in this sub is that many of these guys simply don't get the chance to be that person for someone, to forge that family or be part of something like that - and a lot of the time it's for things out of their control. Which is really sad , depending on how much they clearly value those things and want to do them.
and anecdotyle evidece might not hold up in court or in an essay but its not useless all together. like, If you ever want the opinion of a relationship abstaining child free person, I could be useful for that! haha the same way i am sure you could help a new home owner like me out with all your farming skills. I need to get my game up ! lol
You're right, most guys here don't get to see women in that light, and that is indeed very sad.
Tbh I think that one of the biggest problems of this sub is that women tend to... becomes all women do... and though some might be smart enough to see through it, I'm not sure that all do.
I also think worth mentioning is that the group of incels here is now being branded in the same way - so it's a bit hard to get them to stop when they are hearing "all incels are misogynistic" 24/7 just because a random psychopath was stupid enough to use the name "incel" to self identify.
Absolutely. The ideas people have about incels and what they are actually like are often starkly different. They don't do themselves any favours, but normies don't do them any favours either!
I'm a woman casually visiting this sub, so don't stone me, lol. But I personally have the same question. Why do people wear heels? Apparently men find them attractive, because it makes the woman look, uh, floaty? I don't understand it myself, that's for sure, lol. Most women who wear it wear it because it's socially acceptable and looks professional, or because they wish to look taller, which I can understand because society puts so much emphasis on being tall to be attractive. Wearing them sucks, not quite as bad as the picture shows but they force your weight forward which after a while gets quite painful, and in the long run lots of women get bunions from them. I hate high heels.
Women wear them because they make their legs look hot, feet smaller, taller and even change how you walk (greater pelvic rotation, increased motion at the hip, shorter strides, make you stick your butt out etc)
My knees are too fucked up to wear high heels. Not worth the knee, back, ankle pain. I only wear very minor wedges.
Yep. Like I said, they cause so much joint pain, even if they look good in the short run. Personally I don't think it's worth it much. Well made flats look good too.
Every male finds heels attractive and only soyboys would deny this.
To recap(and, FWIW, this was written by a woman):
The more to it, and the reason women wear them and men don't, is because women discovered it makes their bodies more sexually alluring.
The primary criteria for sexual attractiveness in women (if all you have to go on is looks):
neotenous facial features (the cuter you are, the nicer you seem and the more sexually attractive men will find you)
youth (within reason--women at or nearing their peak fertile years are the most attractive)
clean, clear skin and shiny, thick hair (signs of health)
the ideal waist to hip ratio (signalling childbearing capability)
boobs and butts (whether a guy likes them big or small, they at least gotta be there) and other signs of fertility
High heels accentuate two of these.
Youth: Long legs are a sign of youth, and high heels make legs look longer (and shapelier).
Butt: High heels change a woman's posture so that her butt is emphasized.
Other signs of fertility: Because high heels elongate the legs, they simultaneously make the feet look smaller. Small feet are a sign of higher estrogen levels, and increased fertility.
On top of this, the way heels change women's posture is by making the lower back arch. This is typical of a reflex called lordosis (not to be confused with the ailment of the same name). The lordotic reflex is a mammalian fixed action pattern that occurs in females when presenting themselves for mating. Basically, the male mounts the female, and when his weight touches her lower back, the female, if in estrus, reflexively arches her back and presents her genitals.
The lordotic reflex no longer seems to exist in humans, however, some remnant of earlier mammalian male sexual response may be at work here. If you look at these two images, I would expect more straight men find the one on the right to be highly sexually appealing than do straight women the one on the left.
Even looking at odalisks and other older forms of art depicting the beauty of the female form within a context of sexuality, most of them seem to involve an emphasis on the arching of the back reminiscent of lordosis. And of course, doggy style porn usually begins with the woman mimicking a lordotic pose.
What I'm saying (in too many words) is that men tend to find that arching of the lower back sexy, and high heels make it happen.
And finally, in the category of "other signs of fertility" women subconsciously change their gait in the days leading up to ovulation, slightly exaggerating their hip sway. Men can pick up on signals like this (perhaps also without being consciously aware of them) to the point where strippers in this phase earn more tips than at other times of the month. For women adept at walking in heels, heels do that for them too.
At the end of the day this is really going to be subjective. Just knowing this and the aspect of trying to enhance those things to attract someone is unappealing to me personally. I would imagine people probably feel both ways about the subject.
and I have literally never had soy (at least not intentionally).
It's so unfair how society forces women to wear heels. I still remember the day they lined up all the non-heel-wearing women against a wall and gunned them down.
They are painful after a while. The joint pain is real. I hate wearing them and hardly ever wear them because of the pain. Women I know who wear high heels a lot often end up with bunions. Heels mess your feet up.
It's probably supposed to be a light hearted video since it's coming from 5 minute crafts. If you are looking for insight into serious problems, it's better to look elsewhere.
Heels hurt like a bitch and can fuck up your feet permanently, but beauty is pain (or something?). Kind of wish they didn't exist. But it's not the worst thing in the world.
This doesn't make any woman's life hard, wearing stilletos is entirely a personal choice. There's nothing preventing women from wearing comfortable shoes instead.
I don't generally wear heels. On special occasions I will because they go better with certain outfits and they make me dressy and pretty. Its fun. I always bring a pair of flats in my bag though because after few hours on your feet they are excruciatingly painful.
However. Its not uncommon for workplaces to require their female employees to wear heels (same thing with make-up). Apparently without it we look unkempt and unprofessional. I've also been requested to wear them more than once by men, and even told by a complete stranger "you have potential, but you need to dress more feminine...dresses and heels would be good". I think he expected me to be flattered...
its funny too, bc girls dont wear heels for men, they wear them to intimidate / lord over other women. no guy gives a shit about how tall a woman is or their shoes. its entirely done bc the "sisterhood" is actually at war with itself, 24/7.
Fuck that's a clever video. Pissed off I didn't think of it myself and make thousands of dollars from it.
It plays right into the victim narrative of Holes, and then taps into their "I'm superwoman because I overcome hardship" delusion they love to have. They've obviously never had a single hardship in their entitle pathetic life, but that doesn't matter, because they think they have,
They wear them because apparently it makes them look sexier, even though they don't need that because they have boyfriends, and then complain about getting too much attention.
Everybody has problems. Just because you’re too much of an asshole or too ugly to get laid doesn’t mean you need to be sexist. The same things happen to girls.
Absolutely. The ideas people have about incels and what they are actually like are often starkly different. They don't do themselves any favours, but normies don't do them any favours either!
Women wear them because they make their legs look hot, feet smaller, taller and even change how you walk (greater pelvic rotation, increased motion at the hip, shorter strides, make you stick your butt out etc)
My knees are too fucked up to wear high heels. Not worth the knee, back, ankle pain. I only wear very minor wedges.
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1 Kar98kSnipe 2018-05-23
“Boys who wear lifts are insecure!”
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-23
Why do females even wear heels? Does any man find heels attractive?
1 1122334wy 2018-05-23
kinda hot tbh
1 raspectwahmen 2018-05-23
Plenty of guys do. I don't really get it, since I don't see the difference in appearance that heels give women, but hey.
1 TurboTrashman 2018-05-23
Ask them, but you'll be likely told, "we're not wearing them for you". So either they're insecure as fuck about being 10 cm shorter than the average man and seek to compensate that, or they're wearing them for Chad.
1 Galagion 2018-05-23
Or, they just like them.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
True, but does that mean this image is 100% false? They like foot pain?
1 Galagion 2018-05-23
It's the thumbnail of a top 10 video from a channel called 5-Minute Crafts. Do you really expect accuracy from that.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
So no? High heels are comfortable then?
I've never wore them. I have no idea.
1 Galagion 2018-05-23
I have no idea how comfortable high heels are. I'm just saying maybe don't look too much into the thumbnail of a low quality top 10 clickbait video.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I got that the first time you said it...
We don't have to talk about it if you don't want too. It's all good.
1 Cock_Demon 2018-05-23
They aren't comfortable, all the girls I know bring a change of shoes on club nights because they get sick of wearing their heels by the end.
1 JaundiceCat 2018-05-23
High IQ switcheroo.
1 NutNotBusted 2018-05-23
This
1 mwobuddy 2018-05-23
Heels mask the size of a woman's feet because we judge what's touching the ground. Large feet in women = unattractive. It also causes more hip sway when they walk and tones their calves and butt to wear heels.
1 daisy_plum 2018-05-23
Bc we are really small and think they are pretty.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-23
Then don't complain about them as though there were a gun to your head and you were being forced to wear them. And the fact that you wear them because you are small only makes things worse for shorter guys.
1 daisy_plum 2018-05-23
I dont, i know that with my height they are a part of life and its better to love them than hate them. How does it make things worse for shorter guys? Even with heels men are always taller. But other girls shouldnt have to not wear something they like bc it makes someone else insecure.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-23
Because females inherently are attracted to taller men. This is literally one of the most well documented sexual preferences in the entirety of our species. By artificially increasing your height you are decreasing the amount of males that will be taller than you.
You must be one of the females to whom short men are invisible then. We exist and we do not need the additional challenge of females wearing heels to compete with.
I never said that, idiot. Why do females always do this retarded shit? That is a rhetorical question. I know the answer. I never said a damn thing about insecurity. I am talking about biologically grounded facts about human mating behaviors in which females choose to mate with taller males of which wearing heels reduces the number of potential partners due to a reduced perception of taller males from the added height.
1 daisy_plum 2018-05-23
Okay cool but if im not looking for a man then why should i worry about how attractive other guys are? No i dont think short men are invisible, they are just still taller than me. I havent talked to a guy that was smaller than me in heels he would have to be 5'2 and even then thats an inch shorter if an inch is what ruins his night he can wear platforms himself and not worry what im doing.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-23
What the fuck are you going on about? Never once did I say that you have to worry about anything. Fucking hell, I'm done. Trying to talk to female posters here always ends with them doing this sort of idiotic shit and trying to bend things into something they are not.
5'2 and under men exist though.
1 daisy_plum 2018-05-23
Im not bending anything, you said me wearing heels bc im short makes it worse on short men bc they will be seen as less attractive. Their attractiveness doesnt mean anything to me and me finding them attractive isnt relevant to them, so how am i making it worse? Telling me the science behind why women love tall men isnt important here can you give a better reason to why im making things worse?
Yeah those men exist but they are a ridiculously small percentage, im not going to stop going something that makes me feel happy and pretty bc it might make a tiny man less attractive, when i dont care about how attractive he is in the first place.
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-23
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1 homendailha 2018-05-23
It makes their legs look longer and their arses look better.
1 thumpar72 2018-05-23
i completely disagree.
it makes them look like a stupid Barbie doll. why cant they just wear flats, tights, a longish skirt, and a blouse at the least?
oh yeah because that's modest and would draw attention from other modest men. jfl.
1 acoverover1 2018-05-23
They more modest a girl dresses the more attractive I find them personally. There's no bigger turn off to me than whoreishness.
1 retarded_dumbshit 2018-05-23
It's odd, saying things like this will often upset women. Telling women they don't have to dress up or paint themselves actually upsets some of them.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
You asked the reason. This is the widely accepted reason they do it. Some women do wear flats and skirts and blouse
1 sailorgangordie 2018-05-23
Projecting what they're attracted to onto men.
They wear heels because they find height attractive in men so therefore men must find it attractive in women. They try to get high paying careers working 90 hours a week and acting very masculine in their job because they find that trait attractive in men so men must feel the same way. They act slutty and have lots of sex partners because they find that trait attractive in men so it must work the same way for women.
1 KetamineBananazs_27 2018-05-23
lol dude if you don't actually talk to people you're never going to understand their motivations. You are imagining a woman who doesn't exist and has never had that entire set of nonsensical thoughts you're spouting out from your keyboard rage dry dicked self
1 sailorgangordie 2018-05-23
I'm in college and have spoken to many women. They actually believe shit like being masculine and having a high paying career makes them attractive. As if a guy would choose a 5/10 high strung masculine "alpha female" roastie CEO working 80 hours a week over a virgin kind hearted nice feminine girl working a minimum wage job at Starbucks.
Career literally does nothing to raise a womans attractiveness, being able to cook and having nice feminine personality trumps all that shit.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I really wish more women would read this.
Men absolutely do not view the job of a spouse as the same kind of relationship magnet as women do. When a woman is describing a guy she is dating she will often say "he has a nice job."
You will never hear a man say this. Ever.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Completely untrue tbh. When I was out there I didn't like girls with low paid jobs - too many expectations on me. Things can be much more manageable if the situation is more equitable in my experience.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
There is always going to be someone that disagrees, but that is where that "exception that proves the rule" phrase comes from.
But hey, do you.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Yeah there will always be someone who disagrees. That's why phrases like "all men ever do X, y and z" are great signs of a poor thought process. Contrary to the expression, exceptions don't actually prove rules, they disprove them.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
You feeling that way does not disprove how most people feel though.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Yes, but it does disprove your assertion that it is how all men feel
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
Don't you think that is just a little petty?
Like, when people say things like "everyone loves pizza" it's because the vast majority of people do and not 100% of them, right? I think most people have good enough inference skills to get that.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Somewhat. I think you have to judge each case on it's individual merits. If we were talking about pizza then I'd agree with you, because it's so trivial, but this is quite a serious topic that is impacting people's lives a lot, so I feel like it's more appropriate in this situation.
I also think that there are probably a lot more men who feel like I do than you think.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I think you should maybe not be so hung up on semantics and realize that even if more people than just you feel that way, it is still not how the vast majority of men feel.
Hence, like I said, almost every woman will bring up a man's job when talking about him as a dating prospect, and most men will focus on other things.
I think inference is really important here, most people didn't need to have it explained this in depth.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Thanks for the advice.
I think you should be less hung up on how the majorities of men and women behave and be more interested in the nuances and differences between people.
If a woman brings it up it's not necessarily because she wants to assess your earning power. Jobs are big parts of our lives - maybe she's interested in your choices for other reasons, or is simply trying to keep a conversation moving forward.
If you go through life expecting everyone to conform to these ideas you have any hope the vast majority of people behave then you'll find ways to confirm these biases and your world will become the shallow place you see it as. If you flip it on its head then life becomes a different experience entirely.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I think we can both agree ( I hope) that just because I used the word "all" instead of "most" doesn't really give you the tools to tell me any of that about my character in general or how i should view people in general, so I'll ignore that part. You should do you and view things how you want though when it comes to what you think they mean when they all say it.
But they do say it frequently and openly express that what makes the job "good" is the dollar amount the person generates from it. When I said that "be less hung up on" thing, I meant in terms of reading the words and understanding their meaning. Not on your actual thoughts or personality. It's only advice for this conversation.
I am a bit aprehensive of saying most women
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Yes we can agree on that. I hope at the same time that you'll agree that our chain of posts tells us a little about each other, more than just the choice between two words. It wasn't intended as a judgement on your character, so my apologies for any offence caused. It was partly levelled at inceldom in general.
There's no denying that there's a lot of women out there out for a man with a lot of money - there's also a lot of women out there who aren't. For what it's worth, when you type things like "but they do" it parses the same as "most women", at least for me.
My only concern is that through conversation like this people can become biased, and through that bias maybe miss opportunities they would otherwise have seen, because they've written that woman off as a gold digger for example.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I think it's hard navigating society , because it's difficult to understand when we should be generalizing and when we shouldn't. I do think it;s worth examining but in this case I wouldn't be saying it if there wasn't so much focus on what a males job is where you hear it listed on the short list of what women look for.
I wasn't outraged at all btw, It's all good. I just wanted to keep the conversation more about the "what do women mean when they hyperfocus on jobs when choosing male partners?"
I also don't think that most people would cop to saying "I only care about a mans jobs because of the money" when asked, so it's kind of hard to really know how women feel when talking to them about their values.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Yeah generalisations are dangerous but also necessary to a significant degree.
From what I've seen, though yes money is an important factor, there are other elements to a man's job that might impact on their assessment of relationship prospects - is it a job with long hours or extended periods away from home, is it a job that is altruistic (like teaching) or is it purely about money (sales), is it a field in which many women work (will you be tempted to have an affair?), etc. There are lots of things that career choice can tell you about a person.
Some anecdotal evidence: I'm dirt poor, because I am basically a subsistence farmer. I am also married, so I don't go out looking for women, but I do enjoy their company so I talk to them often. I don't get a lot of attention from random women until they start hearing about my job - when I talk about my lifestyle and how I spend my days often their attitude completely changes and they are eager to talk more. The look in their eyes is clear. Is it because I own land and a house? Perhaps, but it is not a glamorous lifestyle. I posit it is because it is a life that appeals to them for other reasons, that they would like to share, or because it tells them things about my personality that are quite different from most men they meet.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
That is interesting. I actually just bought a house recently, so I am going to be paying attention to how people in general treat me after they learn that.
That being said, I mostly come here to learn things and see how people think, and at this point I am beyond the need for companionship so I can't say I share the pain that this group goes through in their desire for companionship in their own lives. It must be hell, but I do think they will eventually get over it and find peace.
It's actually kind of poetic, in that if they are so hurt by not being able to date that they say "life is pointless" they actually think women are the most important thing in existence. Being that hurt by their absence so deeply speaks volumes.
I think the way you are explaining women viewing jobs is a little bit idealistc. Like it seems like it is what someone who wanted to find the good in people would say, which I can appreciate for it's idealism but can't say I agree with. I think that when it comes down to it, all people are greedy so I wouldn't expect women not to use their position in society as a means to find the richest man they can. They might like other aspects of his job, but ultimately I think most, if sat down and given the offer , wouldn't care if their husband changed professions as long as the money was good (and like you said they could be sure he wouldn't cheat or have other women after him.)
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Oh yeah people are greedy, but it's not necessarily money they are greedy for. Yeah there's a lot of gold diggers out there, but things change in a long term, committed relationship, especially after marriage. There are lots of reasons why a woman might support a move to a worse paying job - less stress brought home, less time away from home, something more moralistic to set a good example for children, less time ways commuting etc. Women can behave very differently once they begin to settle down.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I do agree, but I also would phrase those other things as personal gains, even though they might not be monetary. The idea is still "what can I get from this man, and Is it more or less in some way then before?"
Still, nothing here said is going to be 100%, so if we are looking for something that is we might be here a while. lol
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Oh yeah, I agree. I did try to illustrate that with my last comment but it obviously didn't work. Yeah, people are greedy for things other than money.
I don't know if you've ever been in an ltr but I've found that once someone gets really settled in a relationship they stop lusting after personal gains and replace that greediness with greed for things that will benefit the family unit, especially any children that might be involved.
Imho it's ok to think about what you get out of a relationship, as long as you think about what you put back in too. Including women. Once there's an imbalance where someone is taking and not giving then serious problems arise.
And yeah, we're both adult enough to know that none of this is 100%. I'm just talking from anecdotal experience at this point.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
I think we found some common ground here, because I do agree with you on that. I think the problem here though in this sub is that many of these guys simply don't get the chance to be that person for someone, to forge that family or be part of something like that - and a lot of the time it's for things out of their control. Which is really sad , depending on how much they clearly value those things and want to do them.
and anecdotyle evidece might not hold up in court or in an essay but its not useless all together. like, If you ever want the opinion of a relationship abstaining child free person, I could be useful for that! haha the same way i am sure you could help a new home owner like me out with all your farming skills. I need to get my game up ! lol
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Oh yeah, it's been an interesting exchange.
You're right, most guys here don't get to see women in that light, and that is indeed very sad.
Tbh I think that one of the biggest problems of this sub is that women tend to... becomes all women do... and though some might be smart enough to see through it, I'm not sure that all do.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
Totally!
I also think worth mentioning is that the group of incels here is now being branded in the same way - so it's a bit hard to get them to stop when they are hearing "all incels are misogynistic" 24/7 just because a random psychopath was stupid enough to use the name "incel" to self identify.
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Absolutely. The ideas people have about incels and what they are actually like are often starkly different. They don't do themselves any favours, but normies don't do them any favours either!
1 iEatsFood 2018-05-23
I'm a woman casually visiting this sub, so don't stone me, lol. But I personally have the same question. Why do people wear heels? Apparently men find them attractive, because it makes the woman look, uh, floaty? I don't understand it myself, that's for sure, lol. Most women who wear it wear it because it's socially acceptable and looks professional, or because they wish to look taller, which I can understand because society puts so much emphasis on being tall to be attractive. Wearing them sucks, not quite as bad as the picture shows but they force your weight forward which after a while gets quite painful, and in the long run lots of women get bunions from them. I hate high heels.
1 rustyangle 2018-05-23
Women wear them because they make their legs look hot, feet smaller, taller and even change how you walk (greater pelvic rotation, increased motion at the hip, shorter strides, make you stick your butt out etc)
My knees are too fucked up to wear high heels. Not worth the knee, back, ankle pain. I only wear very minor wedges.
1 iEatsFood 2018-05-23
Yep. Like I said, they cause so much joint pain, even if they look good in the short run. Personally I don't think it's worth it much. Well made flats look good too.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-05-23
Every male finds heels attractive and only soyboys would deny this.
To recap(and, FWIW, this was written by a woman):
neotenous facial features (the cuter you are, the nicer you seem and the more sexually attractive men will find you)
youth (within reason--women at or nearing their peak fertile years are the most attractive)
clean, clear skin and shiny, thick hair (signs of health)
the ideal waist to hip ratio (signalling childbearing capability)
boobs and butts (whether a guy likes them big or small, they at least gotta be there) and other signs of fertility
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
At the end of the day this is really going to be subjective. Just knowing this and the aspect of trying to enhance those things to attract someone is unappealing to me personally. I would imagine people probably feel both ways about the subject.
and I have literally never had soy (at least not intentionally).
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-05-23
No, normtard. Sexual attraction is not subjective. Get the fuck out.
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
lol wtf, Your mom is a fuckin normtard.
nice reaction to someone disagreeing with you. Those things being attractive in general don't prove shit.
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-23
cuck
1 THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE 2018-05-23
low effort comment. fuck off.
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-23
tryhard
1 febreezeguy 2018-05-23
You a bitch ass GOOFY ASS nigga You aint trappin hahah nigga you working a 9 to 5 or in school like a bitch nigga.
I be patrollin the strip handin out testers to the fiends whom are your mother.
1 Wyer 2018-05-23
If it’s not subjective why are there hundreds of different porn categories?
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-05-23
Cool whataboutism bro
Still fuck off though
1 Wyer 2018-05-23
This subreddit is cancer.
1 Ultramegasaurus 2018-05-23
I actually do. But here girls do not even wear them, it's all masculine sneakers.
1 bengalsturntup5532 2018-05-23
Only sexy ones in the bedroom
1 Yeahso_no 2018-05-23
Yes. Some men do.
1 daisy_plum 2018-05-23
Thick heels dont even hurt and if you opt for stilettos you know you are trading looks for comfort so it shouldnt come as a surprise.
1 xxgtxy 2018-05-23
Heels should be fucking banned. The heightism of women is already bad enough without this artifical bullshit.
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-05-23
Ikr
1 throwaway73728274 2018-05-23
“5 minute crafts”
1 acoverover1 2018-05-23
It's so unfair how society forces women to wear heels. I still remember the day they lined up all the non-heel-wearing women against a wall and gunned them down.
1 RabidTongueClicking 2018-05-23
‘Twas a dark day. Some say the women population decreased three sizes that day.
1 Board_Gaming 2018-05-23
High heels look painful. I don't know how women walk in them.
1 iEatsFood 2018-05-23
They are painful after a while. The joint pain is real. I hate wearing them and hardly ever wear them because of the pain. Women I know who wear high heels a lot often end up with bunions. Heels mess your feet up.
1 imnotgaystopasking 2018-05-23
Formal shoes hurt my feet
1 butts_mckinley 2018-05-23
Are you gay
1 imnotgaystopasking 2018-05-23
No,please stop asking. I have to wear dress shoes to work events and they hurt
1 AcrobaticMaterial 2018-05-23
are you gay bro?
1 randomination 2018-05-23
>How wet the Sahara can be
>How hot the Arctic can be
>How dry the Pacific can be
>How soft rocks can be
>How dark the Sun can be
>How cold Death Valley can be
>How hard feathers can be
>How skinny Americans can be
>How entertaining golf can be
>How funny roasties can be
>How religious atheists can be
>How quiet black women can be
>How smart retards can be
>How nice the air can smell in India
>How much quality products China makes
>How advanced Africa can be
>How good looking incels can be
1 rapterjet2002 2018-05-23
Hey, in india's defense rual kerala smells nice. Just avoid the cows.
1 oftheinfinite 2018-05-23
Maybe it's because I had one too many cups of coffee, but I had a good laugh for a minute.
1 KQueen13 2018-05-23
It's probably supposed to be a light hearted video since it's coming from 5 minute crafts. If you are looking for insight into serious problems, it's better to look elsewhere.
Heels hurt like a bitch and can fuck up your feet permanently, but beauty is pain (or something?). Kind of wish they didn't exist. But it's not the worst thing in the world.
1 bhavv 2018-05-23
This doesn't make any woman's life hard, wearing stilletos is entirely a personal choice. There's nothing preventing women from wearing comfortable shoes instead.
1 bengalsturntup5532 2018-05-23
Don't wear heels?
1 Yeahso_no 2018-05-23
I don't generally wear heels. On special occasions I will because they go better with certain outfits and they make me dressy and pretty. Its fun. I always bring a pair of flats in my bag though because after few hours on your feet they are excruciatingly painful.
However. Its not uncommon for workplaces to require their female employees to wear heels (same thing with make-up). Apparently without it we look unkempt and unprofessional. I've also been requested to wear them more than once by men, and even told by a complete stranger "you have potential, but you need to dress more feminine...dresses and heels would be good". I think he expected me to be flattered...
1 baronofmoldova 2018-05-23
its funny too, bc girls dont wear heels for men, they wear them to intimidate / lord over other women. no guy gives a shit about how tall a woman is or their shoes. its entirely done bc the "sisterhood" is actually at war with itself, 24/7.
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-23
oh im tingling out
1 TwoGendersOneIncel 2018-05-23
Fuck that's a clever video. Pissed off I didn't think of it myself and make thousands of dollars from it.
It plays right into the victim narrative of Holes, and then taps into their "I'm superwoman because I overcome hardship" delusion they love to have. They've obviously never had a single hardship in their entitle pathetic life, but that doesn't matter, because they think they have,
1 RabidTongueClicking 2018-05-23
It’s never to late to hop onto that YouTube grind mate. That shits lucrative.
1 Jameson114 2018-05-23
They wear them because apparently it makes them look sexier, even though they don't need that because they have boyfriends, and then complain about getting too much attention.
1 IllAudience 2018-05-23
My feet hurt from the retarded high-heeled shoes that I choose to wear :( #metoo
1 Ocarina-of-Lime 2018-05-23
Everybody has problems. Just because you’re too much of an asshole or too ugly to get laid doesn’t mean you need to be sexist. The same things happen to girls.
1 butts_mckinley 2018-05-23
Are you gay
1 homendailha 2018-05-23
Absolutely. The ideas people have about incels and what they are actually like are often starkly different. They don't do themselves any favours, but normies don't do them any favours either!
1 rustyangle 2018-05-23
Women wear them because they make their legs look hot, feet smaller, taller and even change how you walk (greater pelvic rotation, increased motion at the hip, shorter strides, make you stick your butt out etc)
My knees are too fucked up to wear high heels. Not worth the knee, back, ankle pain. I only wear very minor wedges.
1 AcrobaticMaterial 2018-05-23
are you gay bro?