I'd be cool with it. /u/Board_Gaming, what do you think?

Same

Yeah, I agree. This is a great idea for reducing "clutter" and repetitive questions.

Sure

Cucked

Kek

Hi

What's up dude?

Nothin much enjoying life the best I can you know. What about you?

Yeah same here tbh. Had to entertain family for the last few days, now it's just back to the same daily grind. Any more exams for you or are you completely done with exam time?

Done with exams and ended up passing all my classes, thank God. And yeah same, I've been having to tend to my family the past few days.

Glad to hear it :D

And yeah same, I've been having to tend to my family the past few days.

Family meetup as well?

Mmm hmm. Not that I mind them, they're pretty jolly and all that

I just came from cosmopolitan magazine! why dont yall just put yourself out there and talk to a girl about her shopping habits and like her on instagram and forget about sex cos shes already got a fwb and then fix her computer?

lmao

What did it say

what was it?

Jfl

Hahahahahahahaha this sub is too funny sometimes

Lol sounds like the real stupid advice people give

Ya'll!

We just want the opportunity to go on a date with our looksmatch and have the same opportunities and experience that our female looksmatch gets.

There's nothing for them to question. This is very simple. If they 'don't get it' they are purposely being deceitful to maintain their greed in the dating game. If they are a man and they 'don't get it' they are purposely trying to pretend to be a persona they are not, because basically every man agrees with this shit. Even Chads I know complain about how fucking bad it is nowadays.

How do you propose change, though? Like the system is screwy for sure, I get that. But what can realistically be done about it (if anything)?

Premarital sex should be made illegal.

Why?

Because they're envious other people can enjoy sex without constriction while they can't.

Do you think the hypergamy problem is gender-specific?

Feeemales

Cool, totally get ya there. So if you had a way of actually enforcing that (forced monogamy), you would? I would imagine so, since that’d be a beneficial strategy for you, essentially.

This isn’t really what this sub as a whole is gunning for though, right? As a whole it’s mostly just a place to vent with similar people and there’s no unified cause?

Yes, that's correct. This place is just an online specific forum to vent about problems similar people face.

yeah it's not primarily about idelogy but most believe that monogamy should be enforced, it depends on the person how, though. I wouldn't want to make adultery illegal personally. but I do think that there should be a) social shaming for both alpha males and women to fuck around and b) govenment incentives to marry and stick together early on. We want alphas to marry and stick with a single woman early, so that every other woman doesn't delude herself she has the chance of obtaining such a man, seeing as he is taken. As a result, a woman would be forced to consider men with a status similar to herself. Nowadays, a woman can go on tinder and swipe left on everyone like a game until some hot guy finally matches with her, she thinks if she is lucky the hot guy is going to go out with her, but he never does. That's why you have girls complaining that guys have it so easy to find women. It's true, for hot guys they're attracted to, that they have it super easy to just discard one woman after another. So it's impossible for women to get a hot guy, because monogamy doesn't exist anymore. And it's impossible for normal guys to get normal girls, because they all hope for the hot guy. I hope you understand this logic.

Yep, I get the logic. I think a key thing is that girls are pretty nonchalant about it. Many of us are good to just wait until someone comes alone. And if they don’t, so be it. Men, on the other hand, (in addition to the higher libido ofc) are taught that some of your value comes from women. It doesn’t.

It's not that our value doesn't come from women. It's that, far more often for us, we don't even get an iota of attention. We've never, ever been viewed as a sexual being.

Even a lonely single woman, on average, can get guys to desire her. Not so for us. We have nothing.

Yeah girls just wait until the hot tall guy comes along and keep playing the game because they think eventually they'll be lucky and get him, but they don't.

Yes. This is true. There isn't really a unified cause, and there's quite a mixture of opinions here. People who talk about forced arranged marriages are on the more extreme end of the spectrum. Most incels really do just come here to vent (with very dark and cynical humor). And most incels certainly don't support rape and violence. Most, if not pretty much all, of those people are trolling.

There's an unified cause in general, but ecery incel is different and have their personal struggle

Oh! Is this the hand maidens tale?

Sex crimes? Redistribution of sex? What the fuck? You want to turn the world into a communist sex-dystopia? Holy fucking shit

No shit. And I can choose to stay and respond to your asinine bullshit ideas. “Oh what about us ugly guys? We need love too!! What can we do to fix it? I know! Take away women’s rights and force monogamy and make adultery punishable by stoning! That’ll fix the world by regressing back to Iranian ‘democracy’”. Absolutely fucking shit-for-brains you are.

Oohhhh edgy. “Nigger cunt” really? Like, really man? #THATS the best you got?

At least my “empty” attitudes don’t equate to Orwellian dystopian horseshit

Did I violate your safe space? Did I interrupt your woman hating echo chamber

Sorry I didn’t realize I wandered into /r/safespacecel

Thought is not a crime, thanks for this western history, where we realized you didn't had to get your head chopped off your body for what you think.

Meanwhile, you're advocating forced marriage to everyone, because you're so unlikeable girls don't want to touch your dick.

Repeat who's the evil here.

Being called out for your silly thoughts is not equal to go in jail or get executed for them.

It is as oppressive and enslaving as it sounds.

Force the Alphas to make their pick and be done with one, despite also claiming that the natural order is for Alphas to have most, and the low tier betas they describe themselves as, to have none. Seems like it's working as they want it to, they just want the leftovers forced into submissive situations with them.

It’s really sad that people think about other humans like cattle and that they should be distributed evenly. It’s really fucking twisted

Here’s the thing, there are tons of girls in their league these guys can be hanging out with. They’re just not able to make the most minimal appropriate social effort.

We need remedial socialization for people on the spectrum. There are lots of girls on the spectrum. We don’t get to decide who has sex with us. In the end, the female of the species decides—that’s how humans have evolved. If we were like birds, us guys would be the ones into fashion and beauty.

Source: a guy w Aspergers

No we want things to go to the way they used to be, for pretty much all of civilization, without monogamy civilization will collapse.

Iran has it “the way it used to be”. Forced monogamy, stoning for adultery, and arranged marriages. Moved there if you want to you delusional fuck

advocating for the proper family unit and a stable society means you also want stoning

Ok, maybe there are lesser extremes than stoning such as widespread societal shaming like people do for other non beneficial activities like men leaving women to raise a child alone.

Or societal shaming for women who fuck other men than you lonely, whacky, motherfuckers?

That’s ideal, right?

I have no further interest in talking to someone who wants to revert back to Stone Age societal values. It’s 2018, people fuck who they want, love who they want, get over it and man the fuck up

So you spend a couple minutes insulting someone who's just trying to talk to you then you realize that as soon as they can actually respond to your points you pussy out, lmao n1 dude.

Or societal shaming for women who fuck other men than you lonely, whacky, motherfuckers?

No, societal shaming for women who are promiscuous and cheat. So what if i'm lonely, you think that makes you better than someone?

I have no further interest in talking to someone who wants to revert back to Stone Age societal values.

Not an accurate summation of my views by any part, you know if you're so convinced that you views are right I don't understand your compulsive need for ad hominem and straw manning my views are every turn, you could atleast try to argue honestly.

Equating the essential societal system of marriage to stone age sentiment is a foolish thing, without marriage civilization would collapse. You're the one who will take us back to the stone age, not me.

Also nice CURRENT YEAR argument there.

people fuck who they want, love who they want, get over it and man the fuck up

If you think you can ostracize me and exclude me without recourse you are very wrong, repressing male sexuality whilst promoting female sexuality would inevitably have disastrous long term societal consequences.

repressing male sexuality

That’s where you’re wrong. It’s called sexual selection, and it has always been a thing since the beginning of time. If women don’t see you fit to pass on their genes, then why would they?

without marriage society would collapse

Strawman. I never said marriage shouldn’t be a thing, I just disagree with shaming people for sexuality, forcing people to be monogamous (free will and all that), and redistribution of females (like wtf?).

actually respond to your points you pussy out

Why the fuck would I want to talk to someone who actually believes that they should be able to punish others for making a choice?

That’s where you’re wrong. It’s called sexual selection, and it has always been a thing since the beginning of time. If women don’t see you fit to pass on their genes, then why would they?

Because that's immoral, as is the response which is rape and murder to ensure i pass on my genes.

I just disagree with shaming people for sexuality

If the lack of it leads to the collapse of civilization it is somewhat altruistic.

forcing people to be monogamous

Again, it's immoral to allow hyper gamy just as it is immoral to allow rape and/or murder.

Why the fuck would I want to talk to someone who actually believes that they should be able to punish others for making a choice?

I didn't say I wanted to punish others for making a choice, if you interpreted what i said that way then i didn't mean to portray it that way.

Ok bye.

I'm clearly not sociopathic.

thinks murder and rape are innate biological impulses.

How could you possibly argue against that being true, are you insane?

If you didn't want to reply you didn't have to you know, i just wanted a discussion, you're very narcissistic you know that?

Why do you people even do this, you come to here and say everyone is irrational because you refuse to actually respond to the rational people. Why do you think they act irrational, because you ignore them otherwise.

Ad hominem and strawman. The exact fucking things you got on me about before.

Narcissism:

Grandiose - in what what have I shown to be pompous, arrogant, or have an inflated ego? If anything you’re the narcissist by thinking sex should be redistributed to him, and their morals are absolute and others should be judged and shamed for it.

Lack of empathy for others - I am showing empathy towards women by defending the ideals of free will which out society is founded on.

Need for admiration - nope.

I have shown to not be a narcissist, can you say the same for yourself?

Calling you narcissistic is hardly ad honinem, but okay ill retract that if you like.

I thought you were done talking?

narcissist by thinking sex should be redistributed to him

Not what i said.

Lack of empathy for others

If you think you can marginalize men unfairly and defend that you are not empathetic you are evil.

I'm not a narcissist at all, >Edit; by defending forced monogamy you are displaying a lack of importance for others (women) well-being [sociopathy].

Making sure society doesn't fail isn't a lack of empathy, what could possibly be more important? I don't care if women have to lower their insane standards, it won't hurt them. Especially compared to what will happen if they don't.

I won’t replying here, you can come to IT and see how many downvotes you get on the screen cap of this conversation, though! :)

YOURE NOT SAVING SOCIETY IN ANY WAY! REALITY CHECK!

I mean you could just talk to me instead of retreating to your echo chamber, it's not like I'm asking anyone to upvote what I'm saying or downvote you so I hardly see why I should.

Putting things in caps doesn't make it anymore true, if you think you can bully me, ostracize me, give me no where to go and no solution for my problems and then invade the only places where i can talk about my problems until eventually it becomes more radicalized and then demonize me until i have nothing left an expect me not to hate you then you are not an empathetic individuals.

If this is being posted on that subreddit, then if anyone wants to talk to me directly I'm fine with that, I don't care about being downvoted but down try to use my views as being representative of a whole bunch of people. They are my views and my views alone, that's all i have to say.

Rape is also pro-natural selection, are you promoting rape?

Sexual selection is a complex social construct of humanity. I didn’t say natural selection, where more offspring are produced than can survive.

Sexual selection can be bypassed by rape, if you consider sexual selection the definitive rule to determines who reproduces you're allowing methods like rape to exist and thrive.

Nope. Free will = the ability for women to choose their sexual partners = sexual selection which has literally nothing to do with forced sex.

Sexual selection is a fact of life, and a part of our culture. Rape is not a part of that culture. Do you really think they’re not mutually exclusive? What’s with incels and rape anyways? Jesus Christ get your head out of your ass

Sexual selection is a fact of life, and a part of our culture. Rape is not a part of that culture

Same culture that romaticizes violence and consumes rape fantasies, same culture that ignores the low-income houses becoming the perfect ground for child sexual abuse and places sexually abused children on the same institution as underage criminal sand the same culture that refuses to face grooming gangs. That culture?

Nice shit talk though, i've heard worse shit out of middleschoolers

I’m going to reel you in here, you went off on a tangent. We’re talking about women choosing who they fuck. You somehow think that includes rape in there

Where do you get the idea that allowing women to choose sexual partners includes the opportunity for men to rape them?

Because women's attraction isn't a matter of choice, it's biological not rational, consider that women actually lubricate themselves during rape, does that mean that she chooses to do it? No she doesn't just like she doesn't choose what she likes and only chooses based on that. In fact all choices are flawed, since i can choose to die right now and my body will keep on living regardless of my choice.

And men can get hard in a response to fear of being raped.

Okay so you say > women don’t choose who they want it’s biologically programmed into them > so rape should be a thing?

I’m not seeing the logic

If women choose people based on their biological drives then claiming that sexual selection is anything but natural selection with a warning towards those that will try to circumvent it is manipulative at best. If you don't provide another way to slip through the process you will see rapes happening, and the option exists through prostitution.

You are using the colloquial meaning of natural selection, akin to “survival of the fittest”.

I’m using the actual meaning of sexual selection (in relation to natural selection), which functions in a civilized society that doesn’t need rape, which is akin to “survival and ability to pass on their genes by being the most fit to be selected for mating.”

Rape plays no part in that. Deal with it.

You are not fit if you rape people, you’re not even fit for society.

Because fuck individual choices, right?

some choice. You remove morality as part of it, though. Enforced morality sounds good in theory, but when you get to how squishy a thing that is, you might not realize you have fascism until it's too late.

Just because you don't get to sample 100 dicks in your college years it doesn't mean you're in a fascist society.

You're assuming it stops there, though. It won't. The problem is that shifts in government don't necessarily happen within a single lifetime. I'm thinking of the ramifications for generations to come and the precedents being set that will be used to justify further encroachment of liberties.

But sure, keep on thinking it's about the dicks and pussies in college.

Individuals should not be permitted to hurt others with their choices. Monogamy means everyone gets someone.

No it doesn't. Monogamy means only one person to one person. It might mean more are available to each other, but that doesn't stop people from only being attracted to certain other people.

And wtf is that "individuals should not be permitted to hurt others with their choices"? Did you forget the word 'feelings' there? Because individuals are already not permitted to physically harm others. If your assertion was true, then we'd have to draw the line somewhere. Inevitably, everyone will disagree where that line is or even if it should exist in the first place.

Just because you're a beta male doesn't mean you have to think about controlling society like a dictator. Or what you think an alpha male does.

And wtf is that "individuals should not be permitted to hurt others with their choices"? Did you forget the word 'feelings' there? Because individuals are already not permitted to physically harm others. If your assertion was true, then we'd have to draw the line somewhere. Inevitably, everyone will disagree where that line is or even if it should exist in the first place.

We already know that sexual freedom immediately causes inequality because it leads to a small percentage of men taking all the casual sex while most other men go completely sexless. All I want is for everyone to have an equal opportunity for fulfillment in life.

No, that's not what you want. You want sex with an attractive woman; you might want to say 'a relationship' but sex is what it boils down to. There are plenty of single (perhaps less attractive) women out there that you don't meet because they stay away from the dating sites and locales that you may be trying. Are you even aware they exist? Do they fit into your worldview that centers around men?

What your failing to understand is that these are human beings. We are all more complicated than the one dimensional descriptors or types that you're trying to fit us into.

I get it. I was once in a similar spot as you and typecast women with a broad brush. I was trying so hard to conform to what I thought society wanted of me... And I was failing. Without realizing it, I blamed society for lying to me, insisting that I was led to believe lies due to some insidious purpose.

I'm not really sure what it was, but at some point, I was able to let it all go. This desire to be in a relationship; the whole happily ever after that I thought I wanted. I realized that no matter what I achieved, it would never be enough and I'd always feel the anxiety of not being good enough.

Do you think that being in a relationship would be that final link? That after that, you'll be satisfied? That's not how it'll go. Even if you had your way and forced monogamy on everyone, it wouldn't be enough.

Try to learn to look around you and be satisfied with where you are. If you still need to, say, finish high school, college, or get a job, then do those things with pride knowing you don't need to be in a relationship to be happy.

you might want to say 'a relationship' but sex is what it boils down to

It actually isn't and I haven't read any further into your post because of this assumption

Then I'll delete it. Please read further.

Telling incels to "just conform" promotes inequality, similar to caste systems in India prohibited anyone from being something other than a beggar.

If that's your takeaway, then I am truly disappointed. My message of "relationships aren't all they're cracked up to be" getting [perhaps deliberately] mis-characterized as "just conform" shows just how far you've fallen into your echo chamber; you're just seeing and hearing what you want and not what actually is.

It's the same message with a different intention, both tell you to conform about being alone, only difference is that you believe that telling yourself "relationships aren't that important" will somehow stop you from craving the fundamental psychological need of companionship and the possibility of securing a mate to create a family.

No, it's not. Conform about being alone? That's the exact opposite of conforming! I mean, maybe you mean another word/phrase...

No it does not. They could still choose to masturbate or break the law to avoid being with you.

We can't effectively keep drugs out of prisons but we can squish casual nookie surely you jest.

Females will be forced into relationships with incels by their primitive desire for male companionship. Incels will start to appear very attractive once their female equivalent realizes that she's never going to get so much as a whiff of Chad's penis thanks to the new monogamy laws.

Hurt feelings should be illegal?

To be clear you think that society should be rearranged to make it easier to get laid/get a mate because your desire to mate despite being basically bad at it is more important than others freedom?

Plenty of people who aren't stunningly handsome or high status find love.

I'm 5'6" broke and happily married. When I met my wife 13 years ago I was so socially awkward that I had never kissed a woman.

People's freedom is the freedom to whore around?

Yes

Who says I'm bad at actual mating? Maybe I'm a great fuck, I don't know.

If you haven't done it yet you aren't.

Why isn't controlling your own body a right? Seems like it's covered under pursuit of happiness and reproductive freedom.

Why can't you just stop being a loser.

The right to swing your fist ends at my nose did you not learn this in kindergarten.

Does it make you sad that the nonsense that you spout will never be AND you still are not getting laid

Pretty sure human trafficking is still illegal sounds like a great way to end up in prison losing your virginity to a guy named snake but whatever works for you.

you’re the one that seems to be coping with this delusional fantasy

I almost feel sad for him, then I realize he’s indifferent towards sex slavery (he actually thinks he’s doing them a favor) and I feel sick.

he needs serious help. should spend that money on a good therapist before he ends up in prison.

You can’t buy love. She’ll “cheat” on you and then you’ll kill her and have your second romantic relationship with Chad in prison. Have fun.

God you’re such a piece of shit.

Tough words from a weak little man hiding behind a keyboard. Enjoy your human trafficking victim. I shudder to think of how fucking sick that is, and how you lack any empathy at all towards this situation. That poor girl 😂

Hope she cuts your micropenis off in your sleep you sick sociopathic little cum stain.

They’re victims of human trafficking. VICTIMS. No one fucking willingly gets smuggled into a country without a visa. You need to take a look in the mirror.

Absolute degeneracy. Jesus Christ dude.

“She’s my property if I purchase her”.

That’s the only way any girls ever going to be with to a steaming pile of shit like you. You need serious mental help.

Because you’re dumb enough to believe getting your dick wet one time is worth paying thousands for. It’s nothing without love. Nothing.

Enjoy your human flashlight you fucking LOSER.

Fleshlight* damn autocorrect

The hymen often breaks without penetration, just saying.

What’s with you guys and virgin girls anyways? Some weird dominance ownership thing? Less experience = leas mind blowing sex.

I’m not saying I would prefer a whore, but. I mean a girl with a couple of notches on her belt will outperform a nervous virgin.

Yeah if you’re a fucking psychopath virgin incel maybe

You can't have a personal preference if you're still a virgin m8.

I don't know if she'll be that bright lmao

Would fit you good then, you weren't even bright enough to realize that you are the one who is fucked if police would find out about it and not the girl.

Ofc it is a crime lmfao, are you actually this dumb? Its trafficking and kidnapping and possibly rape and nets you jail for an asslong time you ape.

But sure, go ahead, one less of you then!

I'm not doing the trafficking, the smugglers are.

XD

GL with defending that in court. OFC you are participating in the trafficking.

She's putting herself up for sale. It's literally consensual.

Yeah, again gl in court. Imagine being this naive.

But you can't inform them when you can't go outside. :)

hahaha

literally gl again with keeping a human in your house for dozens of years without her ever managing to go outside or nobody noticing!

As i said, i hope you do it. The more of you that remove themselves from society, the better. And you'll net her a visa on top of it probably, the most producte thing u'll ever contribute to society.

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I'm not doing the trafficking, the smugglers are.

If you're paying them you're complicit lol

But you can't inform them when you can't go outside. :)

So you're kidnapping her and holding her prisoner as a sex slave is what you're saying?

On the bright side, he's been ripped off for thousands of dollars by a scam site, & he'll never even meet the woman he thinks he's bought.

And you're a weak bitch who preys on lonely people because anyone who's better off scares you.

What the fuck are you talking about? This guy is planning on human trafficking a sex slave, and I’m a weak bitch for calling him out on it?

Get fucking real moron

Your choice of words and actions against a group of people in a bad mental state shows me you're a weak bigoted bitch. Also the mods erased that entire chain of comments

Then why would you comment on my comment when you didn’t know what I was commenting about? I don’t care about the rest of your little circle-jerk, my comment was targeted towards this one individual. You can fuck off

Maybe the retards here in “the bad mental state” shouldn’t spew misogynistic and bigoted garbage and they wouldn’t get hate

Fuck you

You showed your intentions to attack the members of the sub under the premises created by your bigotry, regardless of your excuses you shown yourself to be a bigot who preys on people in a bad situation. You're scum like the people who profit of the poor.

Define my “bigotry”. How have I been bigoted in any way? I’m the one saying men and women are equal.

You know those sites are scams, right? You've paid a scammer for a woman you'll meet.

Ah you're looking to bang some lady boys eh? I guess when you're desperate a holes a hole.

Lol there's a very good chance of that happening. You're talking to a normal person here who doesn't live in a dream world.

I know a thing or two about how the world works where as you live in a fantasy. Join us in reality, won't you?

Nothing against ladyboys, but you're right, the bars are full of them in KL, Malaysia. This guy is getting scammed big time.

I'm not stupid.

Aw, you're precious. I live in Victoria too, & this is going to go so horribly wrong for you that I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an arsehole. This is going to be the most expensive fuck you've ever had.

Protip: The money you're planning on spending on this scam? Spend it at a legal brothel instead. You'll get your rocks off legitimately, save money, & won't end up in jail.

just swell

You've been spending too much time in Seppo forums, dickhead.

It won't be that expensive because it'll be just an upfront payment for unlimited usage.

lol. If she ever shows up at Tulla at all, she'll be gone in a week.

Yeah, sure mate, even if this woman actually exists - you can't even make up your mind whether she's from Vietnam or Malaysia, lol - you are too dumb to pull this shit off. And keeping her prisoner in Melbourne? lol, no fucking way.

You know this is all insanely illegal, right? Aren't you at all bothered that the Fed's are probably going to intercept you along the way?

What part of this is legally incriminating for me?

Literally every part of it, dickhead.

Buying a wife overseas isn't illegal and the Australian police can't do shit

It is, & they can. Did you know that the Australian penalty for human trafficking is as much as 20 years in jail?

Heh. Enjoy your time with the Feds, creepo.

Hope you're good at coping with a jail cell.

Cope with that ban. Fucking loser. Hope the feds find you and knock on your door. Human trafficking/slavery/sex slavery/false imprisonment/intimidation carries a hefty price. You’re a delusional sociopathic shit-for-brains if you think the feds would arrest your VICTIM and let you off Scott free. You’re looking at years for conspiracy, and 20 years if you go through with it.

Cope with Tyrone and Chad’s cock in prison, you ^anacephalic smoothbrain .

but you are. and a jerk

Rape is illegal because it is one person choosing to let their desires and control overpower someone else's without their consent. That's the problem.

Everyone has inalienable rights, we've arrived at that after killing each other for thousands of years. You truly are just angry that you don't have sex with a lot of attractive women which is inherently selfish because you feel entitled to massive amounts of sex with girls that you're objectifying, all to suit you. Any argument that asserts that desire > rights is completely biased, narcissistic, and delusional. Everyone gets rejected.

People should absolutely have the freedom to whore around if they want, and not every woman or man does. Not every person has their hormones flying through the roof and are just running around saying "oh my god I cant help myself." A lot of these perspectives are pulled from controlled data, the world is NOT a controlled environment. You guys live in a bubble of jealousy and anger and it makes you miserable.

Literally none of you are happy, did you ever consider that maybe it's not exclusively because you haven't had sex? But rather that you're allowing one notion in your head, one perspective, to rule your entire well being, mood, and demeanor?

You are all viable sexually, you know that. And I have no doubts of the brilliance of so many people, especially people that call themselves incels, but you guys live in a perpetuating cycle of self- loathing and you will continue to hate existence until you change that.

Whoring around IS a right. It may be amoral but it’s still a human right. Communist sex-dystopia strikes again. So edgy with your radical sex-reformation ideals.

You honestly just sound like a loser man

Lol. Don’t you have anything better to do with your time than wallow in self pity

You’re so dramatic dude. Get off this board and go running or something

Jesus fucking christ and you think forced monogamy would make you happy? It would only show you how pathetic and rotten to the core you are. Even if you were a tall, beautiful man no woman would want to be around you. Get off this board man, you need a wake up call

First of all you are cherry picking.

And second of all you are unironically comparing yourself to a member of the Crips, while your sorry ass probably grew up in some middle class suburb.

dumb faggot.

Lol dude do you need a tampon?

You're very silly dude. I don't know it's it's willful ignorance or just a commitment to the role of victim, but it's frankly hilarious how far you'll go to be miserable.

No problem, I'm certain you're not being cynical and sarcastic.

Ow oof ow my poor feelings. What did you expect to achieve with that?

Kbye

it does matter. You can be the 'bad boy' too. You just don't realize it.

You’re so dramatic dude. Get off this board and go running or something

You started off with an unwarranted insult first, asshole.

Get off this board and go running or something

Shouldn't you? You're hear for a reason too. Entertainment, snarky condescension, whatever makes you feel 'superior.' You basic fucks are all the same.

wallow in self pity

We need a bot for hits. This is like the 2nd most spammed phrase.

yfw normans try to gatekeep an incel sub more than incels themselves

The problem is that you're placing so much importance on participating in society's casual sex culture. In movies, TV, internet, and other media, they make it seem like everyone's doing it and it's this fun, rewarding lifestyle. You can choose what to believe, but if you don't belong in that part of society, you can choose to either whine about it (and eventually become that Texas school shooter) or you can accept it and move on. Life should be more than just sex and relationships, but again that's entirely on you to realize.

I'd argue that sex is not a basic need; it can be replicated in many people with regular masturbation.

That's a shame, then. I believe we can all benefit from discussing things at the most basic levels and can come to a common understanding of things. Such a discussion requires acknowledgement of the possibility of being wrong, though; I admit that I can be and by using 'argue' above, tried to infer it there.

Do you think you've reached an absolute truth?

I think this is the only smart comment ive ever read on reddit. Big facts right here

Definitely the actual loser.

That is only with male dominated biological societies though, isn’t it? The majority (at least most that I have read into) of biological interactions with more than one mating partner have been dominated by females, not males. And I say this as a male myself.

"They deserve love too."

But what you're talking about isn't love. It's sex. If modern society can be described as getting closer to the natural order, then it's logical to assume that we've regressed as "higher beings".

This is why a system of morality, such as religion, was invented; despite requiring the populace to abandon the scientific process for certain things, it instilled a higher degree of morality that led to a more ascended society. By the populace largely abandoning religion and, thus, the morality instilled by primal fear, they revert to a lower degree of self control.

This is to say there are exceptions to the rules, but by and large there are significant portions of the populace now that are 'chads' and 'femoids'. What do you do with this information? You either accept the reality of the world or refuse to think of the fairy tales from our youth being wrong; the likelihood of realizing actual love is infinitesimal.

Of course. The natural order of humanity is one alpha male surrounded by 4-6 females, then the secondmost alpha surrounded by less women, then the lower tier beta males haves nothing. Hypergamy is natural for women, but a real nuisance for lower tier men. They deserve love too.

I think you confused "humanity" with "pack of wolves"

lul

I’m curious what your evidence based reasoning is that brought you to this conclusion? From an evolutionary perspective it seems like humans are set up to be monogamous for about 18-20 or the normal time it takes to raise offspring.

Evolution seems to suggest that testes size relative to the rest of the body is a good indicator of mating practices. Bigger relative size means more sperm, because more promiscuous mating means more sperm to compete with. Smaller relative size means less competition and therefor less promiscuous mating practices (more monogamous).

Chimps have large testes and are nondiscriminate in their sexual behaviors whereas gorillas have small testes and have a clear hierarchy when it comes to mating where the alpha male battles physically for the rights to the mating pool. Humans fall somewhere in the middle. With most evidence pointing toward a form a short term and social monogamy.

So what I’m requesting of you is to give me some sort of reasoning behind your thought process besides just what your assumption leads you to believe. Facts.

Hey, ETS_throwaway_ETS, just a quick heads-up:
therefor is actually spelled therefore. You can remember it by ends with -fore.
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The whole concept of beta and alpha male was revisited by the same reasearcher who "discovered" it. It was a hoax.

Observed by a true social scientist or by you? Meanwhile the original researcher said even the fucking wolves don't function by this alpha/beta shit.

Agreed tbh

And you force monogamy how?

yeah but that'll never happen lol

So you want to place a bunch of controls on women so that they will somehow want to have sex with you?

Because I noticed that you seem to be controlling only to one gender and you also seem to think that if you control women's behavior then that will convince them to be with you.

Seems like you are a blind to major problems of this idea of yours. If you advocate for any of these controls to be placed on women they will want nothing to do with you.

You do realize that monogamy is impossible for force though don't you? At least in America. You can't force people to be with anyone. You can encourage it but that's about it.

Thats what I was thinking too. Again, will never happen in the Christian land of the free.

Haha. Well vote Bernie Sanders 2020.

But people still do it. It's kind of like prohibition; if the people really want it, they'll find a way.

Shariah law should get deleted from mankind's present and future history

Hypergamy in Islam is one of the reasons there are so many islamic incels who go crazy ...

Encouraging it like we used to would be enough

But what will make them be monogamous with us instead of Chads or not marrying at all if they can't marry Chad?

But if you can't even get that one person to fuck you you're really screwed

The solution has to be meta-political. Use culture to undue the cultural changes that led to the devaluation of monogamy in the first place. Could take decades or even centuries, and who knows if there will even be ugly guys around in 100 years. They’ll probably be extinct.

enslaving femoids

The system? What fucking system? No one wants to slob your knob because your looks and personality suck? Go do something about it. It takes a real fucking character to think that the outcome of your life is the result of someone else's actions. Take some responsibility, shit.

So how’s your day been

I’d accept a less than looksmatch if she wasn’t fat.

Notice how rich ugly guys can get hot women. People tend to pick people who are of semi equal status all things considered.

Maybe the people who you think are your equals think that considering all factors including success, personality, interests, you are their lessor.

Maybe you aren't but you are terrible at selling yourself, maybe you are bad at reading people's interests and thus are missing out on possible matches.

Maybe you should improve yourself in a fashion that will make you more confident.

Maybe you should help someone who is fat get in shape instead of disregarding the other valuable qualities they may have. Then you will have whatever other positive qualities you possess + you will be the person who helped them improve their lives.

Right now you are exactly the person who you likely bitch about.

The women who pass on you are thinking I'd date him if he wasn't so short|poor|whatever

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go fuck yaself.

Fat people choose to be fat, ugly/short people don't, maybe you shouldn't expect support from others? Kinda like we do, because we know nobody is gonna help us, but you expect us to do that for some random, you're such an entitled fat bitch.

I'm a medium build nice try though.

Your a bitch incel because you don't get what having a girlfriend is. Its literally finding a girl that you friends with that you bang because you get along on that level. If its not working for you then you need to look at yourself not everyone else. Don't be a tool man. But if you want a relation ship how you explain then get money and hire some hookers. I don't judge hookers are fun but I don't think you understand what a relationship means or why you aren't getting laid.

bullshit, only chad really wants his looksmatch

Haha oh man I never get tired of coming to read the comments XD

How many girls did you approach to find out you are incel?

It was possible for me to get laid when I initiated, so it is also possible for you.

Shrek did alright.

Ogres looksmatch. Humans don't

if a woman doesn't initiate, it's over

Why do you think that?

I'm not sure where you are, but in Western cultures, men are often "supposed" to approach women first (it's a social norm or stereotype -- I'm not saying that it's right or fair). Not taking the initiative to approach can lead to failure with respect to getting sex, affection, or a girlfriend, even if you're attractive and have money, etc. (See: ER.) Admittedly, in some areas of the USA (I can't speak for other countries, or even some areas in my own), attitudes have changed so that it's no longer considered "weird" or "desperate" for women to approach first. However, this is true for just some areas. It's not universal.

Approaching is never going to work for ugly people ever. Unless you already ooze masculinity just through your looks, every girl is going to automatically reject you, being bothered at a party when there's hotter guys around, or being bothered in a library etc. Not to mention that you're immediately rejected on tinder. What CAN work is that you show some form of masculinity to girls without trying to impress them. For instance, go on a killing spree. It works, unfortunately. All of them have hundreds if not thousands of fangirls, because you're being masculine doing it. Other than that, lead people. Be super funny around girls. Be responsible for others. Show that you're good with children and dogs. That thing can work. But you don't fucking approach out of the blue ever.

If you manage to show off s little bit of masculinity/responsibility, the girls will come, you will notice the interest, then you ask out and things develop.

Telling average and below average dudes to go out and ask ppl is suicide fuel.

Yeah, you're right. If you're considered unattractive, it's best not to cold approach. But if you meet a girl and she seems to be friendly and drawn towards you, and she doesn't seem to be ruling out romance, you can try to feel it out. Your suggestions are all great, except for the killing spree, LOL. You'll get letters from hybristophiles, but it's not like you'll ever get to have sex with them or be in a meaningful relationship with them, since you'll be either rotting away in prison for life or dead because you shot yourself before the police could catch you and condemn you to a life in prison.

Even this advice won't work well if you're extremely, extremely unattractive or deformed. However, most people on this sub aren't actually unattractive to this extreme point. (I know some are, unfortunately, but they're not the majority, from what I can tell.) They just believe that they're hopeless due to extensive bullying or ostracism, or because of social anxiety and unrealistic perceptions of their appearance (which could also stem from bullying). Sometimes racism is a catalyst for bullying and rejection, too (this describes u/Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry's situation).

Average guys are still fine. I see average guys approaching girls, hooking up with girls, and getting into LTRs with girls all the time. In order to not see this (at least in the USA), one would have to either A) not go outside much and not associate with many people, or B) have a mindset that "filters out" average couples in the environment from your awareness. Humans filter out most of what they sense, and sensations that are further processed by the brain are shaped to fit in with what a person already knows or believes. So, it's not impossible that Option B is going on for some people here.

BTW, for other readers, all this stuff about "girls love criminals so much they even have a name for it!" is a naive argument. Look up lists of paraphilias. They have names, but that doesn't mean they're common. Just because a clinician discovered a new kink (exhaust pipes! Sneezing! Balloons!) and wrote a paper about it doesn't mean it's common. With that said, there's good evidence that a lot (not all, we're thinking statistically here) of women prefer men who seem socially dominant. That doesn't necessarily mean "aggressive" or "violent," though. (Source: Study paraphilias, among other things.)

if you meet a girl and she seems to be friendly and drawn towards you, and she doesn't seem to be ruling out romance, you can try to feel it out.

As an unattractive male it is always platonic friendliness, so no, there is nothing to feel out except the sensation of a new and unique rejection

It depends on how unattractive you are and on the girl. (Yes, different girls look for different things -- for example, there's some pretty cool research suggesting that girls who are born in resource-poor, dangerous environments tend to look for dominant, aggressive men, and become sexually active much earlier. Girls who grow up in stable, safe, resource-rich environments tend to mostly look for stable providers and have children later in life. This research is connected with life history theory, which is a branch of evo psych that is rapidly developing.)

I don't know what you look like, so I can't tell whether you're truly unattractive or whether, like many incels here, you just see yourself that way when others actually don't. I also don't know anything about your social skills, so I can't speak to whether those are contributing to continual rejections. Age makes a difference, too, and I don't know your age.

I think one reason people tend to say that most of the people here are not as ugly as they think, is because they see some pictures and the faces don’t look that bad. But what you don’t see in the pic is that the ones who have normal faces are probably super short and it is true that super short guys have almost zero shot with any girls, which really does suck.

When and where and HOW the approach is made is really, really fucking key. Am I waiting for the bus in my work clothes, headphones in? Am I at work? Then I am not interested. Period. It literally does not matter how attractive you are. I've told countless men to fuck off and it didn't matter what they looked like; I fucking hate people. Am I dancing at a party and the way you approach is by grabbing me and grinding your dick on my leg? Bye. Am I standing there alone at that party looking bored and alone? Then fucking sure! Come say hey! Try to talk! I've never outright rejected someone's company merely because they are unattractive. If anything we can bitch about other people at the party together.

It literally does not matter how attractive you are.

The more bothered you are the uglier the guy. You might not want to admit, or even realize, this but it's been proven again and again in this sad community that with hot looks you have a L O T more leeway on your approach so fuck off with your retarded shit

This is true guys. What some of you don't realize is Chads get shot down way more than they succeed. They just handle the rejection better because they have self esteem from past success. Many women will turn down guys they actually like just because it's uncomfortable being put on the spot. Timing and how you go about it are huge. Of course being attractive is going to give you better results but I've had so many women tell me that I had a chance and they liked me but I never made a move so nothing happened. Even my wife who I knew for 8 years before we hooked up finally said fuck it and initiated because I never did and she had been waiting for years.

Telling average and below average dudes to go out and ask ppl is suicide fuel.

Nonsense.

Telling average and below average dudes to go out and ask ppl is suicide fuel.

Huh? Average guys can hunt too, especially if you have an 'unconvential' average look (distinguishing features)-- it's really just hit or miss at that point.

All handsome guys I know, without exception, have women approaching them in various social settings. This doesn't happen with ugly guys.

I don't have to approach anyone to know.

Volcel

Because nobody will approach you.

Also true, esp in an asian country where women are more reserved.

kek

I have many women close acquaintances. They all want tall guys and I am a manlet. One or two have even told me that I train in vain because I'll never look as good as a tall guy. Dumb whores are so self centered to think that I train for them and not because it's fun.

How tall are you?

166 cm. Average height in my country for men is somewhere around or above 180 cm. Statistics differ.

What is that in dumb american height?

About 5'5" (1 inch is about 2.5 centimeters)

Same height, decent face. Do you have a nice job? just be beta bux for a girl but don't marry her. You will have a great relationship made on lies. Fuck man the Red Pill is a much better place than this.

i'm still studying some STEM shit. I'll try and make money after uni. As for the red pill, we'll see. I have an average face/skull (compared mine to the examples in the channel 'Looks Theory') and I am fairly muscular (not bulky or buff though). Hair is thinning, though minox has slowed it down. In many ways, I am a redpilled man focused on self improvement. As I have said in previous threads, I boss, play chess, swin, am well read on various topics and have enough 'personality' for women to consider me acceptable enough to hug me from time to time and hang out with me. What next?

Well you kinda have to get lucky. Tinder/bumble are decent and fast. Friends of friends. I worked at starbucks for a few months as a part time job and it was amazing for meeting girls. I would say also volunteer for things close by, join a soccer league or a team with lots of people. Smoke weed with a girl, Go to church and meet one. Never go to a prostitute and get off the internet as much as possible.

That's such bullshit. I can't believe people would actually say that to someone.

Fuck shallow people. You do you and have fun.

just dont care about a relationship bro

I'm female. I just hate shitty people who put others down for things they can't help and shouldn't matter anyway.

will you please be my girlfriend

There's a lot of stories on this sub about people being shitty beyond belief. I would love to think they're all made up but unfortunately people are amazingly cruel sometimes. Its kind of heartbreaking. And i agree wholeheartedly. Fuck those people.

They didn’t. He is lying.

Im only 1 inch taller stop bitching

From highschool through college to now? Probably anywhere from 20-50? If you count Tinder then it will be in the hundreds, if not thousands.

Is her swiping left on you considered you approaching?

A good number, but I would say I knew for sure I was ugly after just the second girl I ever tried to take out. She literally said it was because of how I look.

Let's see, from age 22-25 I tried the PUA/TRP technique of approaching 6 women minimum per day to build K A W N F I D E N Z. I went out (both daygame and nightgame) with this goal in mind on average a little less than once per week or about 40 times per year. So that's 4x6x40=960. Then factoring all the girls I asked out who I knew from work, high school, and college from age 16-26 is probably about another 90 (0-2 girls per class/job) bringing the total to ~1050. That's not even counting tinder or online dating. Not too unreasonable, right? I was fit, employed, and had tons of friends of both genders the entire time. I still have a couple friends but I no longer work out or work.

It's only in recent years that my eyes were opened to heightism and the imbalance of the sexual marketplace. Everything is so clear now. My only hope of a "relationship" is being betabux and that's worse than being alone imo. I regret not listening to all the people on the internet saying "manlets: when will they learn?" I should never have put that much work into chasing pussy. What a waste.

How short are you and where do you live? Im surprised you approached over 1000 women and never got one date tbh.

I'm 5'4" and this was in Chapel Hill, NC. UNC Chapel Hill is full of frat boys and feminists so there's a lot of competition for legbeards, although there's tons of hot girls too. Manlets don't stand a chance.

Dont mean to throw salt on the wound in a way, but your experiences is exactly why i gave up on romance also. Though i definitely did not try as hard as you, i got out of the vicious cycle before i suffered anymore heart breaks. I am glad you did the same, but sorry that you went through all of it regardless.

I'm gonna say like 6. I stopped keeping track after a while

Hundreds, Ive been at the dating game for two decades

Good lord way too many to count (or care to count), honestly.

Do incels honestly believe looks is the only thing that matters in dating as the black pill suggests?

Not incel, but looks are the primary part of making a good first impression. If you are beyond ugly, nothing you can do will let you make a good first impression when it comes to dates or asking someone out.

Looks aren't the only thing that matters but they are a dealbreaker to most people.

I'm certainly not denying its importance. If you are just abnormally ugly or deformed I could understand a hardline blackpill stance to some degree. I just think it's a bit extreme to say it's all that matters for most people though.

There's always gonna be a bottom percentage of ugly people. With how many billions of people there are, is it so hard to believe that there are atleast a few thousand of them here?

great username lol

No that's certainly possible. However, between pre-selfie rule, all the people who have sent me rateme/"how over is it" messages, and the other random pics I've seen of people here, I've yet to see someone ugly enough where I could understand hardline blackpill.

Certainly I could see why some of them struggled but the worst I've seen is just below average guys. I recognize that's a lot of bias in my sample. However, I'd say that's what I predicted going in and I've yet to be proved wrong. Like I said if you are truly abnormally ugly, I get it. I just think many incels feel they are abnormally ugly when they are just a little below average.

Average is ugly in the age of Tinder.

I mean average is never gonna do amazing on tinder. Average isnt romance life over like incels claim though.

It is though. Girls simply have way more options.

How can they have more options (new here) if there are relatively the same amount of men and women?

A guy can lower his standards. Girls can't. Go on Tinder and see how many matches you get.

That reminds me of conspiracy theorists with their "you didn't disprove me, did you?"

I've seen plenty of butt ugly Incels here, even after the selection bias that happens with people who post their pictures online.

You also accept that it is hopeless for a percentage of people. What do you want me to prove exactly?

A small percentage. I've seen a good amount of photos so idk. I obviously realize they exist, I just think it's a much smaller percentage than what incels think.

The real ugly ones will never send you pics

I agree which is why I dont write them off completely. I just think it's a smaller % of incel population than some of you make it out to be.

It's definitely not all that matters. Evolutionary psych literature (I'm a grad student) shows that women do not choose mates based solely on looks, at least for LTRs. Resources play a very important part (e.g., wealth), as does social capital, and a few other things, including personality. This only makes sense: our recent evolution has been about developing and reshaping cognitive capacities, and a human's best weapon is its intelligence, particularly social intelligence. In fact, the literature shows that a potential mate's appearance doesn't matter as much to women as it does to men. Men usually prioritize appearance when choosing a mate, and don't place nearly as much weight on the other criteria (wealth, social capital, various personality traits, etc.).

For short-term flings or hookups, however, the standards change. For men, they remain almost the same. However, women's standards for choosing a mate become very close to men's standards.

This is, of course, assuming that no one is showing signs of disease or disorder.

This is pretty much how I think it actually works. Never been able to put it so succinctly but I agree completely. Hook-ups situations (see tinder) are extremely superficial. In real partner selection though I definitely have always thought women are the gender who search for more than just looks.

Ya like I said in my other response, if you are abnormally ugly or deformed I could understand hardline blackpill. I just think incels get in this downward spiral of self confidence and overestimate how ugly they are. I think most of you are just below average looking and socially awkward guys. Which certainly explains your struggles but it doesn't justify hardline blackpill imo.

I think you're forgetting that women perceive 80% of men as below average. Also short=ugly. A lot of roasties that come here conveniently forget this belief they hold when try to virtue signal.

Idk, I think that's a little too much generalization. I definitely think more than 20% of men are attractive. I think most women would agree with that too.

The height thing is a deal breaker for some girls but not all. I'm only 5'2 so I dont want a giant or anything. I look so silly next to tall people. Granted I'm bi and am in a relationship with a girl so maybe feminine features arent as much of a turn off for me compared to other women.

Please list the heights of the men you have actually dated.

Two guys 5'8-5'9ish, we never talked about it so that's a guess on both. One might have been a bit shorter. 6'5, ya I know. 5'6 and 5'7. The last three we talked about it or I have some memory of them saying it. Those are my significant relationships anyways.

The short threshold for a man is best defined as average for a woman, which is 5'5". Except for for the tall guy, the guys you dated were average, not short. Average and short are qualitatively different. Short men don't even register as people on your radar.

I don't mind if you have superficial requirements, but it pisses me off when you pretend to not be shallow. Just be honest because your actions betray your words anyway.

How can you even assume that? Lol. I didn't hand pick the guys who were better to me than the rest. I think I'm much closer to the average than most girls (excluding my one guy). My girlfriend is 5'4 and barely that so idk. Also, that's just ltr guys not all the people ive been with

I can assume that because you listed the heights of the men you dated and they all had one thing in common: height greater than 5'5". Lesbian relationships are a different dynamic and you're likely the masculine partner in that relationship anyway.

Look, I'm not saying you're a shitty person because you have superficial requirements. All women do. That's par for the course. All I ask is that you don't try to pretend to be this virtuous goddess who only judges people based on their inner beauty. It's transparently pathetic, especially here of all places.

So silly applying traditional relationship labels to homsexual ones. I'd say I'm more feminine though but idk, we both do things that contradict that. I've had sex with guys under 5'5 though. So saying they are "off my radar" is inaccurate. Honestly, the most unattractive thing about short guys is how uncomfortably aware of it they all are. Not the physical aspect of them actually being short.

I dont pretend to be a virtuous goddess cause I'm not at all. I dont claim to have never been superficial because I have been. In all geniune honesty though height is not a huge deal to me. I understand it is to atleast some extent in the general dating pool but not rly me. I'd like if you didn't pretend to know everything about me based on the height of 5 guys I've dated lol.

I am using data from other sources to generate a clear picture of you because women are known to fudge the truth about things like this. It's a very common phenomenon and it's unlikely that you're the 1 exception out of 3 billion women. So let's look at the facts:

a) you're a woman on an incel subreddit with the tag "helpful stacy"
b) you listed 5 average to tall guys when I asked you to list the heights of your boyfriends
c) you just blamed your disgust with short men on "being uncomfortably aware of their height"
d) you have more experience dating/fucking women than short men, despite being mostly heterosexual (likely a 2.5 on the Kinsey scale)
e) you think you can "prove the incels/blackpill wrong" by saying that you "don't care about height", which is known to be a very common strategy in the roastie arsenal

And perhaps most importantly:

f) this comment train started because you're challenging the claim that attractiveness is the most important factor in attraction

Now run along little roastie. You've lost this battle.

Man you jumped to so many wrong conclusions there. I have way more experience with men and even specifically short men than women. This is my first girlfriend ever. I've only been with two other girls ever and both were just hookups.

I didn't say anything the importance of looks. I said is it that the only thing that matters. That's why I put it in italics. That's what blackpill says.

I dont think I can prove it wrong with just my own thoughts, I realize the general dating pool is bias towards taller guys. My point was its not a deal breaker for all women and isnt the end of the world. Then you asked about specifically me and I told you. Then you made much a bunch of incorrect assumptions and you mistook my correcting of those assumptions as proving a point.

Do you not know what the Kinsey scale is? A 2.5 is predominantly heterosexual. You have more experience dating women than short men because, according to you, you've dated 0 short men and 1 woman. You have not had sex with more than 2 <5'5" men, otherwise you would have already brought it up.

You can't prove the blackpill wrong with your own thoughts or anyone else's...because it's not wrong. It just makes you feel icky to learn that the world is unfair. It's no different than civilization collectively trying to sweep millennia of oppression, rape, and slavery under the rug. So please stop pretend that bad things aren't happening just because they aren't happening to you.

I seriously just mentioned I've been with guys under 5'5 lol. One of them has been a friends with benefits situation since early college. So we have had a bunch of sexual interactions.

I rly dont need to know the most superficial places on the internet are superficial. This doesnt prove blackpill it proves online dating is superficial. I dont care if you wrote a Shakespeare play about your life in about me sections. Nobody can understand who you are through that so they are left to judge purely superficially.

Couldn't even be bothered to try, huh? Typical woman.

Another short, bi helpful Stacy here, lol.

Something I've been thinking about: At 5'0", I vastly prefer short (ethnic) men, but the blackpill seems to indicate that I shouldn't reproduce with said men, since I'd be subjecting future sons to inceldom. This feels like a bit of cognitive tension, or at least like there's no winning. Damned if I do, damned if I don't, you know? I wonder what folks think about my assessment.

Nah, you shouldn’t adhere to that part of the blackpill otherwiseit becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you find them attractive, it’s certain other girls do too. Meaning even if your sons come out short, they’ll have their niche.

Yeah, I mean, I date and fuck who I want, and if I ever reproduce, it will likely be with someone who is my "type." I just wondered about the self-fulfilling prophecy and how folks here navigate the dissonance.

Yeah, I mean, I date and fuck who I want

Must be nice....

and if I ever reproduce, it will likely be with someone who is my "type."

Dat Stacy priviledge

I just wondered about the self-fulfilling prophecy and how folks here navigate the dissonance.

I navigate the dissonance very carefully. How do you navigate the dissonance?

What dissonance are you referring to?

I can make up what I think itd be like to be someone else if you want? That's just what I know

Yes and no. A good looking incompatible man has a better chance than an average looking or ugly man who is compatible. Personality plays a role for women only if the options are on an equal level looks-wise.

That seems more reasonable. I definitely think it's more possible for men to "swing up" so to speak than what incels suggest. I understand why you would think that's not true though.

I definitely think it's more possible for men to "swing up"

Only for top tier men. For average or ugly men it is not. They may try, if they overestimate their levels of attraction, but ultimately men swinging up successfully are Chads.

Hardly a Chad here. Nowhere in sight of the top tier, either.

However, I have repeatedly had success with women who were out of my league. It is possible.

Just like usually, someone wins Powerball.

I didn't say it was easy, or didn't involve luck.

ok, you're the outlier. Should I try to be one too? I have tried and all I have are close female acquaintances who consider me a friend.

I'll quote Gretzky: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

I get the whole incel thing, society is fucked, and men lost the battle of the sexes... but realistically your options are basically three things:
1. Pay for it. (For most incel types, this will be cheaper on a per transaction basis. And acquiring enough money that women are attracted to you is pretty time consuming, so...) 2. Say Fuck it and join the mgtow crowd. 3. Suicide. Maybe you want to take others with you, maybe not.

I go for the fourth option. Bunk up on food, water and other necessities, hope shit hits the fan and wait until some unprepared woman wants to give me a blowjob for a can of beans only for me to refuse both her advances and giving her food. She is not entitled to food.

Problems with that option - first off, the dirty little secret of preppers: if you don't prep for the correct end of the world, your preparation may be mostly pointless. A ELE impact requires different preparation than a plague or complete economic collapse. Secondly, it's again really time consuming. If you don't care about timeline, just set out to make lots of money. Eventually women will find your bank balance more appealing than your looks are repulsive. Finally... what do you do if the end is caused by a bit weapon that only affects those with double X chromosomes? Then you survived long enough to go from not having any females interested in you, to there not being any women to even possibly be interested in you.

1. Suicide. Maybe you want to take others with you, maybe not.

Dude...are you sure even want to mention this? Lol.

I'll quote Gretzky: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

I'll counter with this: all of the shots we've taken were wasted at a 100% failure right.

Well, I figured the "choosing to take others with you is usually taken as a sign you just might be a sociopath" didn't need to be added, but...

If your success rate is .005%, and you try 20000 times, it's still possible to fail every time... in fact there's almost a 2/5 chance you will have. I did say there's some luck involved.

I did say there's some luck involved.

I think this is what I am missing then. I'll be on a quest to look for all of the lucky items in the world.

It's not the only thing that matters. However, if you're as ugly as some of us incels are your personality won't matter since we won't even get past the first impression.

I just honestly dont believe you are all as ugly as you say. As I've said in my other messages, I understand blackpill in extreme cases but I just think less of you are an extreme case than you make it out to be.

Its 95% of it

https://i.imgur.com/96Mhsiq.jpg

Looks are necessary, personality is a plus. A huge personality with bad looks takes a man socially nowhere, a great looks without personality and the sky is the limit.

Looks,money,status are the main factors . To get them really in love you got to have looks they admire and money I believe. Women can be with Chad but realize he's not shit because he's not faithful,broke,in and out of jail,drugs.

Nobody believes it’s the only thing. To the extent that people ever say that, it’s an exaggeration meant to counteract the vast underestimation of the role of looks by normies.

Don't waste your time with her. She spends all her time here disagreeing with everything and she's not after any understanding. She's even narcissistic enough to call herself Stacy smh

Lol you're not a new user, fuck outta here

Clearly not new enough to have all the answers.

Hey! I’m a girl and it would be cool to talk to someone one on one about incels I have a couple questions so message me if you would be interested

Just post them here

For Incels is sex their main purpose in life and If it is, why? I've been thinking about it, and I feel like making sex something of such high value to your existence is kinda "normie". Ive always thought that humans were supposed to be the one hominid species that can find purpose in life outside of reproducing. Any monkey would be happy having having a endless supply of women to bang, but as humans I think we should expect better.

Every fantasy/shonen character ever ever respected had goals that went far further than getting laid. Most to the point where they actively turn down women. Maybe I'm naive and I will think different I a few years, but I think there is possibility for people to have purpose outside of sex. And I think you're all normies for letting what other people think about you dictate how your entire life plays out.

Perhaps not exactly sex, but love and belonging.

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is actually a proposal about what motivates people, not about what they need. Also, Maslow's hierarchy is generally full of shit. (Source: Am psychological researcher, and can provide references if necessary).

With that said -- men who don't have sex don't die of it. It's not similar in need to food, water, and shelter. You're surrounded by men who don't have sex (e.g., due to disabilities). They're not dying of lack of sex. There's sort of an odd kink in your reasoning -- you said sex is similar in need to food, then you said men can't live a 'fulfilled life' without it. If it were a need similar to the need for food, you wouldn't be saying that they can't live a fulfilled life without it -- you'd be saying that they physically can't survive without it, period.

And with that said, I recognize that humans are a social species and that isolation and bullying often lead to depression. Your body can survive without others caring about you and being emotionally intimate and supportive. However, it's psychologically destructive for most people, and I mean in an extreme way. I'm not sure whether a lack of sex is similarly destructive to psychological health for all men (I'm going comb through some scholarly journals to see what I can find). So far, judging by my conversations with people here, almost all incels are depressed (but that doesn't necessarily mean the depression was caused by lack of sex or even romance). Some also have severe social anxiety.

If lack of sex is not in and of itself strongly damaging to psychological health, chances are that men who do experience depression as a result of lacking sex actually prioritized sex more than most men (for whatever reason). And because they were unattractive or socially awkward or didn't know how to approach, they repeatedly failed to get it. (Note: This does not apply to all incels.) If sex is one of your main goals in life and you keep getting rejected, yeah, there's a good chance that you'll develop depression. But if you can't do anything to avoid getting rejected, the next best thing you can do for yourself is train yourself to prioritize other things more than sex. Intellectual achievement, moral development, charity... the list goes on and on. All very noble, "classically masculine" pursuits. And plenty of people find them fulfilling (not in the same way that sex is, but still fulfilling, possibly even more so).

Also, for non-incels reading this, many incels (not necessarily this fellow in particular -- I haven't interacted with him -- and not necessarily all incels) don't actually want just sexual release. If that's all they wanted, they'd be content to just masturbate. It's also not all about having actual sex. If that's all they wanted, they'd get an escort or prostitute. For a lot of incels, it's really about wanting validation, affection, and love from a woman. They yearn deeply for it, even though they make misogynistic comments or jokes while venting sometimes. Some incels worry that a woman won't or can't love them deeply if she's had many sexual partners before. A lot of incels (not all) have also been extensively bullied or ostracized. And again, a lot of incels (not all) are relatively isolated. So, those incels don't get validation or affection from anyone around them IRL.

Lack of sex leads to a life of frustration, depression and other bad things. Is living like this really better than dying?

It leads to a life of frustration and depression if you make sex one of your main goals in life and then repeatedly fail to attain it. You don't have to kill yourself in order to escape that. You can re-organize your priorities instead of dying, if you so wish. What's important to you, besides sex? Do you have any strong interests? Do you want to help other people or do something to make the world a better place? Do you have a strong appreciation for art, music, films, reading, or writing? Like I said, there are plenty of men who cannot have sex, but don't lead a life of bitterness and depression because of it. They decide to turn their attention towards other things.

It's still true that social isolation and a chronic lack of emotional intimacy and caring is deeply psychologically damaging. That's not the same thing as sex, though.

I'm curious: You say lack of sex leads to depression. Why is that? What's the crucial difference between sex and masturbation, such that sex can prevent depression, but masturbation can't? And would you be happy if you could have sex with prostitutes for dirt cheap, but without any real emotional affection or any prospect of an LTR with anyone in the future? You're still getting sex, so you'd feel happy and fulfilled with just that, right? Or is there more to it?

Living in the streets only leads to a life of depression if you put living in a house as a priority in your life. Being a homeless person is not bad if you don't mind it and focus on other things in your life.

No. Look at my other comment explaining what shelter means in the context of Maslow's hierarchy and why homeless people tend to die quickly of the elements. I also said that 'shelter' is kind of in-betweeny in modern environments, since we're not out in the wild. However, you will die without it. Maybe not immediately, but you will.

Protection from the elements is in fact a physical need if you want to survive. Just like food. And not just like sex. You know full well that it would be ridiculous to argue that people should just stop prioritizing food, and if they stopped looking for food, they'd be happier. No. You know they'd just die. It's also ridiculous to argue that protection from parasites, predators, freezing, and burning is unnecessary and people would be happier if they just stopped seeking shelter from the freezing cold and lethal parasites and diseases. No. You know they'd just die.

(Although Buddha apparently didn't mind it.)

Your body will not fail you if you don't have sex. Your tissues will not start breaking down so your body can self-cannibalize (that's what happens to starving people). You will not get frostbite and lose a few digits, and then die in your sleep of the cold. You will not come down with a lethal infection. You will not become filled with parasites. These are all physical things that will NOT happen to your body if you don't have sex, but they will if you don't have any form of shelter.

Also, please stop misunderstanding Maslow's hierarchy despite me explaining it very clearly. The hierarchy is not actually about needs. It's about what motivates most people. Also, it's outdated and full of shit, which I also said.

when I say "sex" see it as the physical manifestation of love and intimacy

Aha! So it's not really about sex itself, is it? It's the fact that you see it as an expression of love and intimacy. Most humans do need those in order to be psychologically healthy. But not the physical act of sex alone.

For incels who think along similar lines: You can get love and intimacy without having sex. You can. They are not one and the same. You can find friends who will give you that. I cuddle with my friends and listen to their problems all the time, and I care about them, I fret over them, I think of them often when I'm not with them. But alI I can do for you (besides talking to people who message me, sometimes outside of Reddit) is try to find a way to disentangle sex and love for you, because right now, you see not getting sex as not getting emotional intimacy, and feeling uncared for or even ostracized is very psychologically damaging. Maybe once upon a time sex and love were deeply entangled, but in modern Western cultures, they aren't anymore. If you matched on Tinder and had a loveless hookup, would you suddenly feel fulfilled, just because you had sex?

perfect post.

You can't due without shelter either. We have thousands of homeless people in my city. They all survive just fine.

You should go verify that with then, because, as a former homeless person I can tell you we do not survive 'just fine'. People die of exposure in the city all the time.

They don't die immediately, but they don't "survive just fine." I'll have to look up the stats, but I believe I read that on average, a person only lives for 3 years once they're on the street.

Shelter doesn't necessarily mean a house or a bunk. It just means something that protects you from the elements and from parasites and predators that would otherwise get you. In many areas of the world the "elements" are very dangerous. Freezing cold, burning sun, botflies and mosquitos... In some tribal cultures, one punishment for a severe, unforgivable offense is to be kicked out of the tribe and forced to face the elements in your own. It was often considered a worse fate than a quick death -- because it almost always resulted in a slow, painful, and scary death.

That's why shelter is included as something that most people are as motivated to get, or almost as motivated to get, as food (particularly if they don't live in a temperate area).

Nice comment. I think classifying sex as a “need” is also problematic in terms of consent/rape/etc. You will not die without sex. It is not a need. We all (men/women/single/attached/nonbinary) experience dry spells and lack of sex. Nobody dies from it.

The part about Incels craving love from a woman is really intriguing though, because it seems like defining oneself as an incel is kind of a self-fulfilling prophesy. Once you’re calling yourself an Incel, you’re basically assigning blame to women and society, and deciding that the only way to solve the problem is to control women and/or society.

What about incels who have female friends? What the hell is that dynamic like? Plenty of single people enjoy friendships with the opposite sex without feeling like the effort was “wasted” because they only ended up as friends. My friendships have been the most important and loving relationships in my life.

I guess I’m saying that I agree, and that a shift in priorities is possible. I think everyone realizes at some point that their priorities are leading to disappointment, and that shifting them can make you much happier.

Anyway, yeah, great comment.

How can you not be depressed when you realize that you're utterly inferior and worthless in the eyes of women?

Intimacy and having someone to love you romantically is what we crave. If we wanted sex we could go to prostitutes. That is not my main goal in life, but it would certainly help to have a good partner on my side.

I'm in that stage that I don't care anymore and I just want to see what my limit is by trying hard on my career.

It's creating a happy life is kinda like building a house in my opinion; would you completely delay/forsake building a home because you lacked flooring? Or would you start on the foundations and worry about that later?

Exactly. Salvage whatever you can salvage in your life. Though I suppose the role of a partner as a flooring of a house is rather debatable.

Sex is a goddamn baseline of desire and attraction. It's easy to focus on other things when you meet that baseline.

it's not fucking sex. it's love, validation, somebody genuinely caring about you and wishing you safe.

The primary goal is love, validation and intimacy, it just happens that sex is the physical manifestation of this things.

No,sex is just one thing everybody wants. But also love and acceptance.and also wanted.

For Incels is sex their main purpose in life and If it is, why?

It's high up there, but not so much for the act itself. I think sex is seen by many incels as a concrete form of validation and acceptance, as a sign that someone else cares about you in and elevated and exclusive way, and that they actually mean it. Words are cheap, but sex is a concrete sign that someone actually likes you and has feelings for you. Yes, you can have sex without any romantic feeling, but you can't expect anyone to believe you truly have romantic feelings for them if you're not eager to have sex with them. Thus, to the incel, the fact that they have never had the opportunity to have sex a single time in their life weighs heavily on their mind as a sign that they are completely unlovable and worthless.

Is board gaming actually evil?

She's an evil whore.

Rip stagetail. She killed him

Lol I hate her

Why do you think she moderates this subreddit? That's not rhetorical, I'm asking you: what motivates this person to stick around and wield all the petty little rules against a community she never belonged to?

No, not really.

Can confirm. She's the nicest person I've met.

How are you going to feel when she starts dating Chad? You know it's going to 'just happen' as soon as she actually starts making an effort to meet a guy, right? Your affection is almost obsolete, she'll soon have Chad's penis to fill the void.

I've been "making an effort" for quite a while. I've asked out many guys. I got one to agree to go out with me about a year ago because he didn't know what I looked like beforehand. However he ghosted me after.

F to pay respects

It seems unlikely that you've ever approached a guy IRL

mommy i would take care of you (nuzzles against you :3 purrr)

I'm not a furry.

i know, im a kitty and im comforting u

I already have 3 cats.

Furry normies dressed as a cat*

U know they'll eat you if you die alone, right?

Someone will discover me.

Lol you'll lose that hope when you hit your thirties. No one is discovering you.

I'm not going to lose hope.

Hope is cope

How does an incel react to your "making an effort" when they all say girls can get guys anytime ?

They think I'm lying.

Lying until you sleep with them then they will still call you a lair

Hi, was on Facebook and saw a bunch of incel-related shares, and I think you're all very badly misrepresented. Despite that, I've been reading through this subreddit and I sympathize a lot with your community. I'm a 25 y/o man and a KHHV and I think it's absolutely hopeless for me from here on out. lol.

But yeah, I was just wondering, do all incels hate women? Many of the threads here seem to be very critical of them, and I'm not sure I completely understand what everyone here is trying to say. Of course, I don't want to or mean to cause any discourse on this, I'm just curious of what I'm getting into.

Wrong. Truecels do hate somebody... themselves.

Lol facts

True words here

i hate my facial bones but love them too

It's not women hatred per se, it's more a hatred of women's sexuality

The hypergamy is so real.

great name

You can't separate the two.

You can't hate a woman's sexuality with also hating on the person.

So if you can't separate sex from personal life then whores are also bad people?

Why would someone be a bad person just because they are a whole?

Shallowness, degeneracy, lowering the quality of life for others around you (you're one less "fulfilling relationship" available), etc.

You have a very warped sense of the world.

And I notice you are blaming the woman, but you seem to be giving others a pass. Was this accidental or intentional?

Nope.

I have said in others comments that all I want is a romantic, compassionate, and caring relationship - I want to be wanted not only physically but emotionally and mentally, too.

If that sounds entitled, then, you must remember that I hold myself to the same standards. And I would tell my partner if I think they are failing me, and I would tell them to tell me if I am failing them, so I could fix it.

I would truly hope that these standards are very common among relationships, or else relationships commonly lack loyalty, romance, and love.

It's entitled to suppose other people owe you this not to want it. So go and get it.

I never said others owe it to me lmao.I said that it's what I want.

Then I half-asked if that is even a thing that is common (I would hope that fulfilling monogamous relationships exist in 2018).

You can't hate a woman's sexuality with also hating on the person.

Yes I can. I often do.

Isn’t sexuality is ingrained in identity as anything else though? Like I hate this dude at work because he’s so angry all the time - and otherwise he’s alright, so I suppose I just hate his anger. But at the end of the day it’s a part of him - I’m still hating him, even if it’s only a percentage of him.

Isn't that what you would call a deep-seated prejudice?

Hating a core aspect of a person/group, and then not claiming to hate them on a personal level?

Reminds me of the whole "I don't hate homosexuals, I just think they're lifestyle is wrong" shtick.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not trying to cause problems.

The majority of us don't hate women, although it might come across like that on the first glace, but most of what you see here is not meant serious, it is just ironic/sarcastic. We simply use this just as a means to vent and to cope with our shitty lives, that is all.

I've been visiting since the /r/incel days before this sub and to be honest, it really doesn't come across that way. Sure there are some good natured memes that go on in each thread, but from an outsiders perspective they seem more like the minority.

I understand pent up frustration and that sort of thing, but the entire black pill and view of women and focus on virgins makes it obvious that there is a large contingent of people trying to speak some really hateful things with a claim to authority that just completely betrays their complete lack of knowledge of what they are talking about. Maybe it seems like a completely obvious statement to say a bunch of people that proclaim to be incapable of forging a meaningful relationship with the opposite sex seem to be so completely confused about reality(which there are degrees of truth woven in as well, but those seem distorted or misconnected the way you would find in a conspiracy theory video), but I find myself in a cycle of sympathy and rage every time I pop into here.

Or maybe I'm just old now and the 4chan style of humor lost its appeal to me from when I enjoyed it years ago.

Thoughts on what the sub is actually like vs. outside perception?

It's not hopeless. Believe in yourself and what you have to offer.

Believe in yourself and what you have to offer.

sometimes we get angry thats all,you will know if you try to looksmax or datemax

Is a person still an incel if there's someone who likes him but he has high standards so he's never found a partner or something? If not, what is he called?

Volcel.

Picky.

No one is like that here.

There are guys who call themselves incel who only want girls 7/10 and above.

Isn't that just dontcomplain?

I won't name names, but I've seen at least 3.

They are voluntarily choosing to remain celibate, therefore they are not involuntarily celibate. Therefore they are not incel.

Define “high standards.” I consider myself incel or at least incel-like, but I probably could have sex with some women who I don’t find attractive. I think it depends on what percentage of women you’d be willing to be with. I’m attracted to probably 80% of women. My standards are very reasonable. Women I’m not attracted to are the exceptions, not the rule. But it seems like the only women who show any interest in me at all are in the small handful of exceptions.

So I still consider myself incel. But if I had truly high, unrealistic, unreasonable standards, and only was willing to be with 10% or 20% of women, I’d call myself volcel.

Exactly. It's rather hard to force yourself to like someone. I suppose that's not being voluntary right?

I don’t know where you fall amongst the ideologies here, but if you’re incel you kinda have to see the irony of acknowledging that you can’t force yourself to be attracted to someone while also decrying females who won’t force themselves to be attracted to incels

I don't really have anything against females who don't like incels though.

Ok, fair enough. I probably could’ve guessed that based on your comment

Can some one tell me what it stand for, also what is blackpill redpill bluepill etc

Ok, what is IT then? Usually i see it on pictures of guys with their mouths wide open

Those are called "soyboys."

Lol these are questions that you can find the answer just lurkig more

Since this is a "new people come ask questions" thread it would be disingenuous of us to reply to their newbie questions with "lurk moar."

Thank you

IT = r/IncelTears

IT is inceltears, an anti incel sub rival to this one. "soyboy" is a typical 20 something left-wing, hip feminist young man, so called because he drink vegan soy-milk which has been rumored to raise female hormones in men. Often imagined as being mistreated in an open relationship with a woman and alpha men who bully him and make him do chores and stuff.

They are all relative terms with flexible meanings used in all sorts of different ways by different communities around the internet. The bluepill and redpill come from a metaphor in the movie The Matrix where the bluepill is a pleasant false reality, a simulation, whilst the redpill is the harsh reality that the protagonist has to "wake up" to see. In the context of dating the bluepill is the belief that there is someone for everyone, that if you work on yourself you'll be more attractive, that your personality is important and that a good personality makes you more attractive, and an implicit belief that the world is just. The redpill sees itself as a harsh wakeup call, that actually all women are the same, they all want the top tier guys who are defined by their height, good looks, status, money etc, and their personality and morality is completely irrelevant to the female judgement.

The blackpill is a spinoff of the redpill which presents itself as an even harsher reality to swallow. It is generally defined by a sense of determinism, the idea that circumstances outside of our control have already decided everything for us, and that attraction (or how people behave in general) is based entirely on factors that we have no say over. The common incel catchphrase "It's over" encapsulates this feeling.

This is just one interpretation, and is just the tip of the iceberg. The meanings of these terms is usually inferred rather than explained, but I hope this helps a little.

Thank you friend

Why is it black?

Black is the colour of despair. It's as deep, dark, bleak, and hopeless as you can get. I don't think it's a reference like the red or blue pills are, but it may have stemmed from this video which is the earliest usage of the term I know of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0

Thanks. Good to know history of this stuff :)

To Sum it up:

• blue pill: Just be yourself, women value your personality more than your looks, etc. Basically the advice a female friend or your mother would give.

Red pill: Man up, go to the gym and lift some weights bro. Do something interesting with your life, go out more often and follow xyz pua tricks to get female attention. Basically the advise your typical gymgoing popular friend or a PUA would give you.

Black pill: All hope is lost, you are one ugly mofo and trying to do anything to change your situation wont get you laid lol. Foids will always go for the chad and you have the wrong genes, just accept it man.

You should read the wiki, that's answered there.

What attracted you to the 'incel' lifestyle? How do I differentiate vs other sub cultures such as nofap or r/short?

Well, nothing about this is a lifestyle. You don't choose to be incel, that's what the "in" part means. (Involuntary, if you didn't know). This is a life society has chosen for you. We're not a cult or a movement or anything.

This is not a lifestyle or a club where you sign to be a member. There's no pride in being an incel.

short is just a sub of short people. some of them are having sex, some aren't and are at peace, some aren't and are angry. May as well ask the difference between "feminism" and "fat" subs.

What are my chances of escaping inceldom if I start Binge watching Disney princess movies and shower 3 times a day?

🤔

Disney movies are misogynist as fuck. It's over.

Honestly you'd have a much better chance if you just get in a band or something. Even a shitty band gets laid. Thats why most musicians are musicians. You should see the troll looking guys and the chicks they get just because they play shitty covers of Weezer and Nickleback. I'm surprised every incel hasn't put that together yet. Come to think of it most of the girls I've been with were connected to me playing music.

how to translate 'LDAR'? What does it mean?

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LoL, that's exactly what I am doing for the past 12 years

I think it's what most depressed people end up doing once they realize how peaceful LDARing is.

12 years

holy shit lol

"Lay Down And Rot". Yes, I also thought it was depressing when I found out.

Don't you mean Lay Down and Relax? :)

That's referenced in the wiki (see the sidebar for the link).

You pronounce it like Kendrick LADAR

Hi. I read the post "inside the mind of an incel." What do you think about the point that feeling like a victim can be a positive feedback loop; it makes you feel better, but then you need to keep being a victim to justify righteous anger and justify not trying go the oping route. Also, journalists have commented that incels often have poor social skills and low self-image due yes, to poor social skills and not having the right appearance, but also due to poor socialization through-out childhood. So one solution: better parenting.

On a free sexual marketplace, when human nature is allowed to take its course without restraints, harems are the inevitable conclusion. In other words, incels are a relative category rather than an absolute one. What this means is that there will always be incels, even if there wasn't a single misogynist, jerk, loser, or ugly person in the world. We are the losers of a game that will always have losers by design.

Agreed with better parenting. A lot of incels grew up with a single mother.

AAAAAAAAAAAA SHUTTHEFUCKUP

Does anyone find memeing blackops2cel so hard fucked up? I cannot find any evidence that he was an incel

There is evidence. His face.

Comes across as bullying to me.

Everyone that's a meme is usually one involuntarily. If you think it's bullying I better not see you subscribed to me_irl or looking at any memes in that case.

You will infact not find me on me_irl. You will find me on grimdank but Magnus had it fucking coming and deserves to be a meme

Ur mum is a meme

My mum is a chaos demon of pestilence from whose wretched boils I was birthed.

That's not evidence. Looks don't dictate if someone identifies as incel.

It doesn't matter if someone identifies as an incel, you either are one or you're not.

If someone is a virgin, that doesn't make them "incel" by default.

Yeah, u/iq9k didn't say that

If someone wants a relationship and has never been successful in attaining one, that person is incel.

Incel isn't something you "identify" as. That's like identifying as "blue-eyed" or "blonde"

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Have you even seen his face? That's all the proof you need.

It would be a pretty fucking stupid question if I hadnt.

Could someone give me a run down on what all of the different “-cels” are? I see a lot thrown around but cant figure out what many of them are.

currycel is indian

ricecel is asian

mentalcel is retard or autism or schizofrenia

volcel is voluntary celibate

Lots of them have meanings but many others are also just jokes. For example, if you can't afford advanced video editing software like Sony Vegas, and can only use something like windows movie maker, someone would call you a windowsmoviemakercel.

You mean paidcels. Real chads pirate all software.

On some real shit tho

Gymcel is an incel who works out.

Some of the -cel suffixes are applied to whatever the person feels his biggest physical flaws are. For example, "wristcel" means someone whose wrists are relatively thin. "Skincel" means someone whose skin is not in good condition (lots of acne, or pockmarks and scars).

Sometimes they're also applied to what the person does or enjoys. For example, "codecel" would mean programmer.

You should read the wiki, that's answered there.

is it true y'all have a female mod?

if so, why

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Yes we have a female mod, because the original creator of this subreddit appointed her.

sad. thats kinda like having a happily married person moderating mgtow

Meh, we also have a couple normies that are mods. Just because you defined as a member of a group doesn't mean you can't agree with its ideologies. Plenty of non incel guys with wives and girlfriends have come here saying that they 100% believe in the blackpill.

What exactly is the “black pill”, then women care about looks? Does anyone really deny that?

That looks are all that matters.

Glad you agree

I don't though. However, I do know that some people place a higher value on looks -- those people are shallow, and they can be both men and women. I know that one reason I don't have good luck dating is because I'm unattractive.

Well that's awkward. I guess I'm glad that you kinda agree

There are tons of people that really do believe that looks don't matter and it's all about personality. You know, the kind of people that are overly peppy, believe that only hard work matters, and that your destiny is entirely in your own hands. Those kinda people. You know what I'm talking about.

Yes. There are so many people that deny it.

It's more like having a neo-Nazi as the prime minister of Israel. Her presence is intolerable to truecels, she's been making people uncomfortable and upset from the very beginning and that's to say nothing of her mocking us on other subs. Her refusal to hand over leadership to a member of the community says some not-very-nice things about her personality. It's no wonder she's incel.

I don't identify as "incel".

It helps us not get banned

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What the hell does IT mean

r/IncelTears

You should read the wiki, that's answered there.

Thanks

do most of you actually struggle making friends due to your appearance, or would you say it's a result of your social ineptitude? i'd say i'm pretty unattractive yet i haven't really had any problems making friends in college thus far, though i'm usually the one approaching them initially

Most of us have friends, and some users here have female friends, but are unable to go to the next step in a romantic relationship because of their appearance.

There are many types of incels. I am a (mostly, anyways) mentalcel, which basically means I am an incel because of......you guessed it...my mental state!

Only meaningful sex?!

Fucking a prostitute changes nothing

another question i forgot to ask:

of males, how many would you say are genuinely incapable of finding a mate? or perhaps worded more properly, what percentage of people legitimately hold the status of "incel"? of the minority that post their pictures here, many of them seem to exaggerate their situation; they may not bear ideal facial features, but they're certainly not *displeasing* to look at.

around 1% of both sexes age 24-34ish, inclusive of people with low-functioning autism and paraplegia etc.

The ones you see with average faces are probably like 5-4, you have to admit, not girl is going to look at a guy that short. I’m only here out of curiosity but I can admit that much is true.

Is it possible for a gay guy to be incel?

It's possible, a lot less likely due to male standards for attraction being much lower than female standards for it.

there's an article on the website Everyday Feminism by a gay guy complaining being fat and ugly screws him on gay dating apps and his friend's don't get it

I was in a group addiction therapy thing that had This one fat 40 year old gay guy who says he hasn’t gotten laid in 10 years and absolutely no one will have sex with him. He may not even know the term but he’s def an incel

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What does ldar stand for

Yeah I thought it was lie down and rope or something but you can't hang yourself in a lying position

not with that attitude

This is such a good response lmao

WhT about money?

Read the wiki, it's referenced in the sidebar.

Hey guys, I’ve heard a lot about your community in the news lately and I decided to finally swing in and say hello. After reading a bit I guess I’m what you guys would call a “Chad”. I married a coworker of mine after courting her for a few years. I’m a proud stepfather of her biracial children.

I guess my question....why don’t you guys just like, cut your hair, take a shower, and work out a bit. After a good workout even my wife’s boyfriend says I look way better.

Anyway, it’s movie night and I gotta go grab some Soylent before we watch the new Ghostbusters, I’ve already seen it a few times and it’s hilarious! Take care guys!

kek

Fuck. Had me until the iconic phrase.

I normally hate trolls but this is just hilarious.

High IQ shitcomment

Why do you make fun of soyboys?

They subscribe to the matriarchy that we live under. They mostly are incels but choose to sell their lives to women, giving them everything just to have a chance to get laid. It’s almost an evolution of white knight, but more focused towards a lifestyle

the matriarchy we live under.

What? What matriarchy?

The one where a males biggest fear about dating is being rejected so hard they'd smash into being an incel, and womens biggest fear about dating is literally being smashed into a wall so hard they become the wallpaper, possibly raped and killed? (order of these events is optional)

The same matriarchy that doesn't take female medical issues as seriously as males, because there are more male doctors and PIC's of spending on research?

The same matriarchy that still feels that old men in suits should have any say in regards to what is allowed to happen to any part of females bodies?

I could go on. Yeah, you're an incel, but that doesn't excuse being an idiot.

First paragraph is an appeal to emotion, not going to give you the satisfaction of answering that.

So because you can’t get free abortions and birth control when you’re fucking chad, it’s the fault of the men who went through schooling while you were getting tossed around as meat. Sorry, its not like breast cancer is such a popular charity that grown men, the epitome of men, donate to it every October rather than male issues like prostate cancer or male homelessness.

White men in suits control your reproduction? I’m sorry that your right to abort chad’s kid (lol which one when you fuck 15 chads a month) is only guaranteed by Roe v Wade and only available in every single state. I’m sorry that planned parenthood, only really there for women, is getting shut down so when you want to fuck chad you have to spend your own money on pills rather than my hard earned money.

Your life is trivial. Sorry, but no chad is going to come and save you over the internet.

An appeal to emotion, based on statistical facts. But whatever, facts schmacts.

Your assumption of my gender and geographical location, is wrong. I am not even talking specifically about the US, but most of the world has one or more of the issues i presented. But way to go for being able to think outside of your own borders, that surely is a attractive quality to members of the sex you are attracted to.

None of the arguments you take up prove that we live under a matriarchy, but of course you'd think that, you're so deep into incel that you actually think that it's women, not lizardmen who runs the world.

You know why the breast cancer awareness month is needed? Because it was a female issue that was largely ignored by the medical examiners and researchers until someone decided to do something about it. Breast cancer rates are now under prostate cancer in terms of death rates since, well ever. This is because of awareness month, but also because males tend not to go do the thing where they check for it, because gay that someone would stick a finger up your ass.

Well, yes. Men i suits (i said nothing about white) decide what's legal when it comes to womens bodies. Ireland just decriminalized abortion, because it was put under a public vote, if it were up to deciding forces it would still be criminal. The (majority) men in suits also decide where to put spending, which is why planned parenthood is shutting down.

However it'd be funny if a Chad rode in and saved me. But it would be awkward since i'm a 200lbs man with a beard.

I wonder whos life is trivial. Mine has meaning and joy, yours has bitterness and being angry at a gender for the fact that you cant get laid.

Examine why you’re spending time to write this. You think that by defending women, someone will find a fat man attractive. You can go on IT and laugh and pretend that you actually believe what you’re saying. The only reason you’re here is because you have deluded yourself into thinking that having “progressive” views is more important to women than being 6’4 and having a chad face.

deluded yourself into thinking that having "progressive" views is more... Blah blah blah, conservative chauvinistic bullshit that i cant bother to quote.

Well, yes. To the right person, progressive, healthy views are more important than being 6'4 with chad face.

I'm not a Chad, but i'm not really a normie either, mayhaps a normie- i'm 6'0, 235 (looked up correct conversion) pounds, patchy beard that i refuse to shave, bad eyesight, dull voice. I've rarely been described as attractive, but have had a couple of gf's during my years (currently in relationship for 6+ years).

I'm spending time with writing these comments because it's, entertaining for the brain to think in an argumentative manner.

Both women and men are genetically influenced by height and genetics. Either your girlfriend is larger, weirder, more _______ than you, or she will cheat on you if chad asks her to.

YOur brains are all so fucked up lmao

If women always "date up", how is that possible mathematically speaking? That would have to mean either 10% of guys are fucking almost constantly or there are also a lot of lonely women.

Because there are more men than women. Also, women have choices, men have chances. This means a woman can fuck whoever she wants in hookups for however long she wants until she gets bored. Then she can choose a beta male to settle down with once she hits 30 or so.

There will always be an excess of lonely men out there, because that's just the way nature is. Only a few males get to succeed. The rest die alone.

You answered it yourself. Chads will fuck a lot of different women, all through their lives. Why do you think there are so many single mothers? Women, when rejected by chad, will seek someone to support them financially in a uneven union that is literally a trade of money for a tiny bit of love and maybe some sex.

Simple: theres more men born than women. And that in my opinion is the root of it all.

Incels (and mgtow, red pill etc) have an oft-repeated belief in the "80/20 rule" - the claim that, in any given community of young adults, 20% of the men will have sex at sometime with 80% of the women. I think it came from some college survey years ago

no it came from real ok cupid studies that encompassed millions of people

There are definitely lonely women.

Chad chasing doesn't count as loneliness

Not all women chase Chad.

yes 10&#37; of guys are fucking constantly? are you really too stupid to know that? why do you think women always say men cheat? you all go to the same men, dumbass.

I don't think women can be incel, just volcel. Well from what I've read in this sub i could find a lot of guys who being presented the chance of being loved and desired by a girl, wouldn't care about her looks (Even tho that's just a small percentage of the users I've seen, most of them are volcels having very high standards of wanting atttactive and virginal women and the rest just discarding heavy women). If a woman really badly needs company, she can forget about her standards, go online, on tinder or however and find someone willing to go out with her in 5 minutes. The prettier the girl the fastest and the better looking men interested of course, but in the end, the least pretty girls still can find a match. I don't think this is possible for men.

Women aren't as picky as men, so they're willing to wait out longer for Chad or Chadlite cock. Chads and normies, on the other hand, will fuck pretty much any girl who doesn't look repulsive. So what you might have is a chad who fucks 3 girls in one week, but each of those girls only had sex with that one chad, because they didn't encounter another guy that lived up to their standards who approached them. I'm not saying it's to that extent, but that's the argument.

If every guy in the 10% category fucks at least 9 different women we already have that result. And you even have guys with a count of over 100, 10+ isn’t that rare you know. And if someone at the very bottom of the 10% group had 9 girls that’s already enough to explain the theory mathematically.

Are you people really as ugly as you claim, because 99.9% of people arent necessarily hot but don't look physically deformed. Basically are you exaggerating?if not im so sorry for you.

That’s what I want to know. Most photos of incels I’ve seen aren’t bad at all. Most are mid range on the attractive chart if we’re being "objective". There are incels that I’ve seen that are "ugly", but I also know a ton of dudes in real life that this sub would consider ugly or genetic trash who have a happy relationships.

Idk, maybe also due to social issues that some ugly people somehow avoid

We aren’t allowed to post pictures.

I however, was born without eyebrows. I am ugly and deformed, plus under 5”6”. My options are to 1) die alone 2) get a good job to pay for some woman’s lifestyle as she decides to “settle down” with me. What’s worse, being a lonely hermit or submitting yourself to the life of a debt slave for the possibility of maybe losing your virginity. I don’t know the answer. When I kill myself I’ll leave a note explaining this, but the issue will get swept under the rug, ignored, or otherwise hidden.

What do you think a potential solution could be (as radical as you want)? Or is it an insolvable issue?

What do you honestly think?? Its not hard

The issue will get ignored because it’s not an “issue”. Issues are things that we as a society can work to improve or fix. You propose no solution here. There is none apart from taking freedom of choice of mate, away from women which lets be honest is a joke. So really the “issue” is just human nature. And it’s unfortunate for some. Unfortunate for you. But it can’t get Main Streem attention like “me too” because it’s just the way it is.

There are those who post selfies because they know in the back of their heads they might be able to get a shred of validation from "you aren't that bad." or "i've seen worse." but the ones who don't post selfies already know anything they would hear from posting it short of blatant lies. So essentially the only selfies you see are the ones from people who know they aren't that bad and wish to hear so from others. The ones you never see ironically are more representative of reality.

A lot of people here would like to enforce stuff like mandated arranged marriages, outlawing adultry, and other systems that would remove women’s autonomy

I acknowledge this would solve inceldom, though it would be treating the symptom (not having sex) instead of the disease (women aren’t attracted to ugly men, and presumably still wouldn’t be if forced to marry one). But you can’t really think it’s practical or morally justified to do any of this right? Like if you suddenly had the opportunity to make a case for this to SCOTUS, how would you do it?

And I’m aware some incels would say something like “fuck roasties, who cares what they think” but obviously that’s a poor explanation that doesn’t have any logical standing, so can we set that particularly argument aside for now?

No incel honestly believes that any institutional monogamy will ever become enforced again. It’s nothing more than a cope, like most things here.

The most we can hope for is that leftists keep importing Muslims so that in 100 years inceldom will not be an issue under the Caliphate

Lol alright fair enough. I was just wondering if anyone had a rationale that comes close to justifying it. But yea, appealing to religious laws is probably the only way. It’s all I could come up with

that leftists keep importing Muslims so that in 100 years inceldom will not be an issue under the Caliphate I admire your optimism but the opposite is going to happen muzzies are gonna get poz'd and turn into your basic bitch urbanite normie liberal. Its already happening in Minneapolis with a lot the Second generation somali's essentially making themselves culturally non distinct from the indigenous black population.

lol, most of us who say stuff like that are saying it sarcastically/ironically, it is not meant seriously.

Ok good to know. I assumed a lot of it was serious. Like maybe they know it’s a pipe dream but wish it would happen

so most of it is just bait?

false! incels want true consensual validation

is it possible to have been liked by women in the past and still be an incel? or are the two mutually exclusive

What does a femoid mean?

I would agree that lust is based almost purely on physical attractiveness, but would you say you beleive in a concept of love based on caring/trust over intimacy? Or can my definition of love not exist without lust as well?

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beleive is actually spelled believe. You can remember it by i before e.
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It’s all looks in regards to femoids. However males are less shallow hence all females can get laid just the way they are

Is it that men are less shallow? Or is it just that they’re more horny, so have lower standards? Might even mean we are more shallow lol, because we’re willing to fuck something we aren’t even attracted to just to put our dick in something.

More horny and lower standards. Also, it is a lot tougher for a guy to get laid than for a girl. Can we agree on that? Given the case, guys cannot afford to be picky.

there's a lot of overlap with incels, red pillers and MGTOWS that falls under the entire "manosphere", but the simplified general belief of them all is that most women want to spend as many years as they can having sex with Alphas/bad boys, until they "hit the wall" (become too old too attract them), when they then look for a "beta bucks", a more shy nerdy but financially stable guy to settle down with and be supported by (often mocked as bringing many Alpha's fatherless children for him to be Stepdad too)

This “bad boy” concept just reeks of high schoolers though. Like I have been there, I have felt that, but from 26 on really, none of the normal mature women are looking for “bad boys” lol come on.

My girlfriend is 38, I’m 30, and she makes 30% more than me. There’s a lot of couple these days where Both work. So what’s going on here? She’s clearly not with me to be financially supported? Where do we fall into this? And no I’m not a chad I’m probly like a 7.5 though

Now imagine being a 5 or lower

How much does rope cost?

I got mine for $25

Why the fuck was i born a subhuman manlet?

Because people with subhuman Manlet genes had sex and created you. The fact you exist at all is proof that you can find someone to fuck you.

What do you call someone who is voluntarily celibate, like me?

I must admit that I do want to have a huge family later on. So I'm semi MGTOW.

Yeah, that what I was thinking. Maybe I'm just a fucking autist or some shit idk. I approve of the incel movement, though.

You're likely more of a blackpilled normie.

I found out that it's called volcel.

lol that’s just a shortened form of voluntary celibate which is what you asked for a name for in the first place.

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volcel

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Question from me - how many years do you have to be consistently turned down before you can stop asking women out and call yourself Incel?

Never give up, always improve.

So how do lesbian and bisexual women figure into this?

Okie dokie

I laughed here

Have you guys ever considered that feeding the hateful worldview that this sub and others espouse rather than doing something to better yourself might be a part of the reason you’re still alone?

They think we didn’t try. And when we tell them we tried, they say try harder. And when we try harder than that, they scream try even harder.

This subreddit is the response to a breaking point when you’re unable to try any harder.

But so often you’re just lying about the fact that you tried, and then tried harder. Just to win the argument. You will tell me I’m wrong. But you know I’m right.

You're wrong. You know you're wrong. Genetics are king.

They’re certainly the first filter, and if your are filtered out there, yes, you are fucked. But you’re still lying about having tried, you claim to have , because you KNOW that even if you do it won’t help because genetics are king, so you just pretend you tried that way you win the argument. But you and I both know you lie.

So nobody here is actually ugly and nobody has tried? Lmao, fuck off. I go to the gym, study, have friends and have tinder. No women are interested.

Some are actually so ugly that they have no chance no matter what they do. But Most are just bitter and can’t handle rejection and pretend they are members of the former to make themselves feel better about their decision to give up and blame everyone else.

Ironically, chad-lights get rejected more than many incels ever will, because they hit on anything that moves. They still have a much higher success rate obviously, but they play the numbers game and also get rejected constantly.

But many self proclaimed incels in here like to point to one example of some evil bitch rejecting them cruelly as proof that “it’s over” and then just wallow in self pity and claim that every single woman is an evil bitch because one was mean to them.

I bet you pretend that you have, because then that makes you win this argument hands down, and he can’t know you’re lying, so he’s making an assumption which COULD be wrong... and you take advantage of his uncertain assumption in order to prevail here.

But still I don’t believe you. Because If you did actively work on self improvement, even if you are ugly or short, you wouldn’t be this person. You would be full of dopamine and able to see more positives and just feel better and Happier, and this person here, with this post history, would not be you.

So I’m going to challenge you to stop pretending you have tried and actually try

I know that you’re a liar. You’re lying. We both know it. You can call me all the dirtiest, harshest names you can think of and lash out in anger like a child, as you will, hoping that somehow you will inflict some level of pain on me, (you won’t) but it doesn’t change the fact that you know you’re lying. And I know that you are lying. And you know that I know. And that’s why you’re soooo angry at me.

You could easily prove otherwise , but you won’t.

Some people truly are totally hopeless in romance and will be forever alone because of things out of there control and that is super sad, and quite terrible honestly. But many people like you are just bitter, poorly socialized, depressed, possibly abused as a child or some other terrible circumstance, and you have the power to help yourself but instead you absolve yourself of all responsibility, lie about it, blame everyone else, and rot in your own filth literally and figuratively , and lash out at anybody who offers advice.

I don’t offer you advice though because I know you don’t want it. Fair enough. But at least I know you know I know you’re a liar.

You're single because you're a sick twisted freak. It only takes reading a couple of your posts to see you're a lunatic.

Damn I hate to downvote a question but when it's as loaded as that it just makes you look bad.

When you guys watch the handmaid's tale you root for the bad guys don't you?

The book was better than the movie. And why would I root for people who call me a Son of Ham? Also, it's not like incels would be benefiting from the Handmaiden's Tale. Rich powerful men would be the only people who would benefit, and women love rich and powerful men. The real lie about the Handmaiden's Tale is that women are unhappy that they are being dominated by high value males.

I agree about the book being better than the show. It's not a perfect comparison but I had just watched the newest episode before stumbling across this place. I see a lot of support here for forced marriages, which is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. Also why do you think women want to be dominated. Out of all the women in my life I couldn't imagine any of them subscribing to the medieval ideas posted here. Also do you guys not have sisters, moms, aunts, grandmothers, etc? Think about them being forced to marry people from this subreddit.

You see support for forced marriages because lonely men are disillusioned and bitter that they aren't in relationships, most often due to traits that they cannot control. In the mind of someone who wants an arranged marriage, love and attraction will blossom once you show that you truly do care about the person you're being paired with.

Women love being dominated. This is literally the nature of the female. They love being dominated, be it in sex or other situations involving high value males. Women only have a problem with domination when a low value male is the one dominating.

I don't give a fuck about any female family member of mine. They are all evil, manipulative sluts. I probably hate my mother the most of all, because her dumb slut ass didn't abort me and now I'm alive.

Women love being dominated. This is literally the nature of the female. They love being dominated, be it in sex or other situations involving high value males. Women only have a problem with domination when a low value male is the one dominating.

First off this paragraph is disturbing and wrong. Other than other people like you, who told you the nature of women because theu might of been a rapist.

Playing devils advocate here, but what If women do have a problem being dominated by low value males; wouldnt they feel the same if they were forced to be with one. Is this sub not the gathering of "low value males"?

lmao, simple evolutionary biology is 'rape' now. Fucking kek.

And no shit women have a problem with low value males dominating. Low value males aren't human beings to women. They would exterminate us if they could.

I know the swarm of non-incels like myself probably just annoy the shit out of you guys and is messing up your safe venting space but I think this peak in interest could be a good thing depending on how you handle it. Yes there are going to be a bunch of people that come in just to be offended and to fuck with the creeps but you are spreading your message and turning people around. You guys have the floor for the time being and a lot of attention. It's a chance to make people understand and inform people that up until recently didn't even know you existed. Those of you that are patient enough to explain everything to us are doing all of you a huge favor.

Well fucking said.

Not gonna make them any less ugly though and unfortunately that means the circumstances won’t change which sucks for them

What is the etymology of "mog"? I know roughly what it means, to dominate over someone in terms of sexual market value, but where does it come from? (Urban Dictionary suggests it's an acronym from "alpha Male Of the Group" but I'm not sure I believe that.)

Is there a sub for female incels? I’m serious about this. Do you believe all women have it easy out there? Cause some of us are just...how do I put it. Hopeless. Also I want to die. That’s all. Thanks to all of you.

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Literally just don't be fat

I’m not fat at 5’3” and 135 pounds that’s healthy. I also have to work and go to school so being any thinner would kill me.

lmao 'hopeless'. More like this dumb slut can't attract any 6'3 Chads so she's lonely and depressed. Boo hoo, sorry Chad doesn't have enough time out of his day to give you his massive cock you fucking whore.

Why are you so bitter?

I think you meant to type, 'Who hurt you, booboo?'

You just made me laugh out loud at work so congrats on that. How’s the going u/raspectwahmen?

Cope, that's nearly considered overweight.

Even now, you can just go on tinder with any shitty picture and you will get matches.

You won't get the disney prince you think you deserve though.

K.

What ever happened to the bit in the sidebar about inceldom not being about a literal lack of sex?

Are you thinking about a different sub?

I don’t think I consider myself an incel. But I want to support incels. What can I do?

Push for legal euthanasia.

Treat incels you meet IRL as human.

I like how your response has half the upvotes.

It’s because my suggestion is too much to ask from normies. They would prefer to euthanize us so they don’t have to see us or think of us anymore.

Maybe try to set people up on dates and talk up people who are not doing so well. For some reason other people's validation affects how attracted some people are to a person (e.g. why women can get very turned off from a normal person upon finding out they're a virgin, or interested upon finding out they're taken or recently out of a relationship).

I am completely taken a back at some of the comments I'm seeing here... forced monogamy? Outlawing premarital sex? Whatttt the fuck is wrong with you people? You CANNOT legislate morality. What's immoral to you may not be immoral to someone else. And this is supposed to be a free country. Is it not possible that "femoids" and "Chads" and promiscuity aren't the problem? Maybe you're the problem. I would never consider dating someone with these views and can't fathom any self respecting woman wanting to date you either. Jesus fucking Christ. 😳

I'd like to add... it's not a woman's responsibility or duty to date/sleep with you. Why the fuck do you think you are owed sex and companionship just for being alive?

Radicalized? What’re you gonna do, rape a 17 year old? People like you are the fucking worst.b

You already used that one on me yesterday, and it wasn’t any less /r/iamverysmart material than it was today. Try again, this time, more creative and less pretentious. You can do it.

You used it because you’re /r/iamverysmart material

Does consumption of soy products immediately make you a soyboy or is it something deeper, of which the consumption of soy is just a symptom?

Why is there a woman as the mod of this sub?

Can't incels have a single place that is actually their own?

Because I'm a good mod.

What do you have against eating soy products? Not like soy would turn a chad into a smiling dork. You do realise the food has nothing to do with becoming a 'beta male' right? Or are these things not really connected in incel vocab?

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you're reading too much into it, it's a meme.

I’m not new to the sub, lurked incels as well, but I have a question that’s been nagging. I have seen posts stating that escortcelling does not fix the problem because what you really want is acceptance and love. You want to feel the validation that comes from someone loving you, which makes total sense. But how is this not comparable to an unfortunate-looking female who cannot find acceptance and love? Because women bear the majority of risk from sex, men will stick their dick in anything, so unfortunate-looking women can still get laid. But the men willing to fuck a landwhale are not going to introduce her to their friends and family or even be seen in public with her. How is any amount of dick going to solve her from having the same feeling of isolation that you have? You could hire 100 prostitutes and still not feel loved. The love part seems to be what you are seeking, and in reality it is not gender-specific.

Because getting something for free is the same as paying

I think they didn't really explain it well by saying it was solely about love.

Escorts don't WANT to fuck you. They won't we us as sexually desirable. That's all.

Ah, I see, the component of feeling attractive and desired is the difference. Don’t worry, ugly girls are not out there feeling attractive and desired, they can tell they’re not attractive, are reminded constantly, and are also wallowing in shame and insecurity.

A few, yes.

But a lot more of them ARE desired. It's why the male incel population dwarfs the female one.

I am definitely not disagreeing with that, there are way more guys not getting laid due to the whole “women wanting to have sex with attractive men with enough attractive men willing to spread it around” thing. Also maybe some otherwise-incel ladies either just give up and live with their cats, or just go for other women. I’m thinking a higher percentage of females-who-would-be-incel are willing to just date each other than is the case for male incels.

Uhhh...changing sexuality is nowhere near an option. That's not how it works.

If I could be gay or bi, I absolutely would. Look through my other comments, I talk about my bisexual phase (had a minor crush in a guy, turns out was just him and not really other guys, just a one off borne of hormones)

I'm coping very badly with the reality of being straight. It's why my posting on this subreddit has gone up exponentially.

No I meant that male incels don’t seem to end up dating men as often as undesirable females seem to date other females. If you’re a straight male I was referring to your situation.

I don't follow. It's not like I can un-straight myself.

No, I don’t think men can un-straight themselves. I’m saying I think either women can, when they have no other dating options, or maybe it’s just the prevalence of homosexuality/bisexuality is more common in females.

i hate this misogynist implication that men who want to fuck someone only use them as fleshlight and wont have a relationship with them.

From my experience, if i am sexually attracted to someone, then i am also open about a relationship with said person. and i am sure that applies to most men

mod me daddy

No.

Can someone clue me in on the pill colors and meanings?

Did you read the wiki referenced in the sidebar?

Just did, my bad. I'm a mobile user.

Watch the matrix and it becomes clear :p

why is there a foid on your mod list?

Not true.

I was asked, so I said yes.

No I never sent anyone nudes.

She never answers that question. People here asked her that before.

you're so fat, technically all of us are orbiters.

What makes this sub different from the old /r/incels ?

top mod is a female

Why y'all

The sub is a joke right?

What’s the black pill?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8m27tp/i_agree_with_some_of_your_positions_and_am/

Rather than copying and pasting the text I’m just going to link it but it seems I should have posted here so probably best to reply here. Thanks for your time

I agree with you that lookism functions basically like racism. Biases and prejudice.

This definitely benefits women though. That's where I'd diverge from you.

I should have clarified, I agree it benefits women just that it can go against them, just in net it’s good for them. There are negetive consequences as a result of being white, but in net I still have it easier

Yeah. There are downsides to being a woman for sure. And the blackpill isn't absolute. But it applies for a lot of situations.

Quick question: what "cel" category do I fall in if I do in any. between puberty and third year college i had sex like 3 times, very badly. been bullied in school and not more than 3 friends ever. i'm already ten years in the internet and i'm aware of the forever alone meme and in the past i felt identified with it but i'm sure some people in here has it harder. this has changed a few years ago so maybe some of you can do the same.

Why do you want to fall into a celibacy category this isn't a cool club or hangout spot this life is suffering.

I'm new to Reddit and new to this community. There's something that I don't get. I'm a 350 pound black man surrounded by rural whites and I'm "incel", due to several factors, among them my lack of wealth, obesity, and social anxiety. However, I realize the problem is with ME, not women. I started dieting...I have a gastric sleeve surgery scheduled...I'm taking antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication, I'm educating myself so that I can make more money and be more interesting in general. Why is it that most of you have no interest in self improvement? Why do you blame women for being ugly and unattractive when you can take steps to improve yourself and get laid and possibly married later? I'm 20 years old and still a virgin. I don't like that I am, but I refuse to fuck ugly bitches, and the girls I'm attracted to won't fuck me. My solution is to get in better shape, be a better person, etc. Why do you all just give up so easily and stay content playing video games in your mother's basement and plotting acid attacks? Thanks guys.

There are people who are much older than you on this board who have done and are continuing to do everything you describe. That's where the term gymcel comes from. While many of the fakecels here are salvageable, there are many here who aren't for various reasons. I think if you want to continue lurking here without being met with hostility you should drop the stereotype that incels are all obese neckbeards in their mothers basements plotting the next vindictive terrorist attacks. There are many cases of people working out, getting plastic surgery, or just getting lucky because they aren't as ugly as they believe themselves to be. Don't take everything you read on this sub as face value. Since you are new the multiple layers of irony and dark humor here are probably not instantly apparent. People leave comments like what you just nearly verbatim almost every 6 hours and there are much better spoken posters than me so if you are truly "interested" just lurk around and don't comment ill informed with loaded questions like this one about acid attacks and shit its ignorant unless you would do the same on muslim forums.

Thanks for the reply

Nobody here would call you an incel. You're obese, so you're volcel (voluntarily celibate). We focus on how things like face, height, and race play a role in dating/sexual selection.

why not self improve

We do stress self-improvement. But really, to be more attractive to women, it's less about "self improvement" and more about appearence improvement. Aka. going to the gym. That's about all you can do as a man. "Just get a good job, read 100 books a year, and be confident! Women will throw themselves at you." Sorry but this is a lie. Western women don't care about your personality. They care about your looks.

why do you blame women

Because female hypergamy is worse than ever, women of all ethnicities prefer White men (except for Black women), which is racist, and because our culture glamorizes sluttiness. How can you notice these things and not think it's problematic?

Hey, so I’m trying to get a general sense of what incels are about and what they want.

So, the gist is that incels feel that it’s a basic human right to be able to have sex, and they feel wronged because they are unable to find a sexual partner due to their looks being below what is the societal standard for attractiveness?

I know that redistribution of sex is often stated as the solution to this, but I don’t understand how that’s a good thing. Are we operating under the idea that women are lesser than men, and so their desire and right to choose a partner that suits them isn’t valid? Or is it being said that choosing sexual partners in general is wrong, and that individuals should be matched up at random so as to ensure a fair spread of mates so that “everyone gets one before someone has seconds”?

Also, it seems that there’s a lot of emphasis put on “Stacys”. If it were just about everyone receiving sex in a fair distribution, it shouldn’t matter how physically attractive the woman is. If it was also to ensure that incels have sex with attractive women and not just anyone, then women should be able to choose their mates based on attractiveness too (unless, again, incels believe women to be inferior to men, and more objects than people).

And lastly, how does shooting people fix any of this?

**Please note that all of the above is asked in curiosity, not hostility. Although I don’t agree with the incel mindset, I’m just aiming to get a better understanding of it.

t 22 year old female.

the gist is that incels feel that it’s a basic human right to be able to have sex,

No, but it has been argued that it is a basic human need.

I know that redistribution of sex is often stated as the solution to this, but I don’t understand how that’s a good thing.

Many people post things they don't really mean due to coping with humour and dark thoughts.

And lastly, how does shooting people fix any of this?

Very few people in this community advocate shooting anyone.

that incels feel that it’s a basic human right to be able to have sex

I'd say that a more accurate description would be that it's a basic human need to feel desired/included/wanted/etc.

I know that redistribution of sex is often stated as the solution to this
Are we operating under the idea that women are lesser than men
Or is it being said that choosing sexual partners in general is wrong

I don't think I've ever seen a serious outline for redistribution of sex, and it's mostly just been wishful thinking and memes. Maybe some people actually are serious about enforcing sexual slavery but it's definitely not the norm, despite the fake news that media outlets report.

There is a belief that while women aren't inherently inferior to men, the comparatively easier lives of women in the developed world causes them to not encounter the same challenges that ugly men deal with and are shaped by. As a result, women grow up to be weaker because of the lack of challenges to overcome.

Enforced monogamy is probably the closest non-meme solution that you're thinking of to reduce female hypergamy, since the goal is to prevent women from all chasing males at the top of the socioeconomic ladder.

And lastly, how does shooting people fix any of this?

This subreddit doesn't condone those actions. The shootings were likely due to a variety of reasons including, but not limited to, frustration and lashing out at the world, sending a message, inspiring copycats, etc.

There is no consensus among incels (I am a blackpillled volcel, for the record) as far as I know. I don't think there is any coherent, realistic solution being put forward as of right now, aside from the fact that most incels would agree they'd like to be acknowledged as invuntarily celibate whilst not being shamed/bullied for it ( as you may or may not know, there is a hate sub for this sub that is extremely vitriolic towards this one ). This place is just a venting outlet; generates a lot of humor & gratuitous argumentational victories against fools who make far too many assumptions.

I don't think shooting random innocent people solves anything, that's pure insanity. Not sure why you mentioned that, but I suppose it's understandable due to the recent news hysteria. Hope this helps.

I know that redistribution of sex is often stated as the solution to this, but I don’t understand how that’s a good thing. Are we operating under the idea that women are lesser than men, and so their desire and right to choose a partner that suits them isn’t valid? Or is it being said that choosing sexual partners in general is wrong, and that individuals should be matched up at random so as to ensure a fair spread of mates so that “everyone gets one before someone has seconds”?

The problem is that our culture's beauty standards coerce women's sexual decisions in such a way that only privileges very few men. An ideal society would not have such beauty standards; in fact, it would not have beauty standards at all. It is precisely these standards that account for the incredibly unequal levels of sexual fulfillment throughout the populace.

It's not about "redistributing" sex. It's about altering the macro cultural factors (in this case, eurocentric beauty standards) that result in widespread sexual frustration for many.

What you're suggesting is an impossibility.

How do you figure?

It seems to me that Incels are a lot more interested in sex (and perhaps procreation) than a genuine loving and supportive relationship with a partner. So why not just make use of the services of a prostitute (for sex) and a surrogate for (procreation)? I mean, you guys are smart enough and honest enough to realise and acknowledge that you are immensely undesirable men. So why not commit yourselves to making a handsome income in order to afford what I recommended above? Play to your strengths and stop whining about your weaknesses.

There's different types of incels, many of whom do want a supportive relationships with a partner. For the specific type you're talking about, my guess would be that it's the pain of rejection, not actually the sex itself that matters too much, the fact that they're unwanted.

Prostitution is illegal in most jurisdictions, has ethical complications, is potentially dangerous and unhealthy, etc. And you're wrong about only wanting sex.

Prostitution is illegal in most jurisdictions, has ethical complications, is potentially dangerous and unhealthy, etc.

Can't help the legal part. Dating, let alone "live-in relationships", are considered an unspeakable anathema where I'm from. And the "dangerous" part is 1. Not absent in any sexual encounter & 2. Can be minimised.

And you're wrong about only wanting sex.

Maybe that's true for you but going through the comments on this sub gives me the impression that most wouldn't even want to consider women human. There was one yesterday; this fellow who was turned down by a big woman & he titled it, "This [turned me down]". I mean, he could have called her a fat pig, bitch, ogre, whatever. Just recognise her sentience. But he chose to call her "this".

What about sex dolls? I hear they're quote advanced now.

Don't 've retarded. We're incels because no one WANTS to have sex with us. Focus on that word.

Why so many people on here throw out faggot as an insult?

It's the internet. Faggot Retard Cuck etc. aren't inherently offensive by definition but they incite reactions so they are used.

Honestly think cuck is the funniest one. Incels getting so bitter that they think anyone average in a relationship is being cheated on.

Comedic hyperbole to be honest. Back in the /r/incels days some of the most egregious IT harassers were also active participants in cuckolding subreddits and had the audacity to insult us. The joke wrote themselves. It's flipping the same narrative that we're all smelly fat creepy rapist sexist neckbeards in one swooping generalization and turning it on them. All failed normie scum who come here to laugh at us and report back to their bull and half-wife are all cucks.

But it's clearly more than a joke, it's an inherent idea of what I've seen mentioned about the blackpill that if you are normal you will be a cuck, as your girl is fucking Chads.

If you are not Chad, you are settled for. If you are settled for and a better opportunity arises, it will be taken. This is a human issue, not just females -- females just happen to be this way far more often.

So you would rather not be in a relationship because she might end up finding feelings for someone else someday?

it is inevitable due to the laws of nature. average normie redditors would always advise against "settling".

Haven't you ever heard the age old adage, "Tis better to have loved and lost, then never loved at all."

Do you not agree? I personally think even a failed relationship helps build who we are, we take that love and expiernce with us and forge into our persona to build something more complete than what we once were.

No. Deaf people who have never heard /paralyzed people who have never walked cannot miss it. Only yearn in some abstract manner; I'm a firm believer in better to have never loved at all. Love is a cancer.

Not at all. I know my own sexuality and don't care what you think it may be, I'm just confused as to why a sub that talk about how hated they about are seem to spread hatred just as much.

ironic, the real homophobes are the normies who come here and tell us to "just become gay"

That's not what irony is.

ironic can also mean something unexpected/coincidental

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc

Did you really just try to justify your incorrect usage of irnoic with an Alanis Morissette song?

My question was unexpected, faggot is thrown around by a lot of incels on here. It may have been slightly ironic if i was one of the people telling incels to become gay, but I'm not. So my question has no irony in it.

1)faggot is not thrown arround here a lot

2) youre are a normie who comes here, gives generic advice and try to "got you" us by claiming were homophobic. Youre not very different from the people telling incels to become gay or the people who claim incels are actually gay

Never said you guys were homophobes, though having been called a faggot by people on here and asking why they think it's an insult tier responses showed some are. I was just wondering why a group of people claiming to receive so much hate like to use words with so much hate behind them.

How long do you think this sub will operate until plebbit will label it as a hate evil sub and ban it?

Hey, only heard about you guys lately and still not to sure what the deal is, I think I may be incel but not entirely sure, what makes an incel?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/wiki/index

Are people born incels or does it come at an certain age?

Thanks for replying. Can you still be incel if u had sex?

What is cope?

Coping with our miserable existence.

Thanks fam.

Lmao at that Veiran dude who said sex was overrated and that masturbation was as food as sex. Mods need to sticky that George Orwell quote about lack of sex being soul-destroying to prevent this kind of sub-zero IQ comments.

Well, shouldn't you be doing something about your existence if it's miserable?

What, like asking out girls in college, going on Tinder, making friends with girls, spending hundreds of hours talking to girls and making them laugh?

Fuck off honestly. It's like you think people are emotionless Zen robots who just shrug everything off. Coping is needed because just bottling up suffering is a crock of shit.

I didn't mean that you can't cope. I was just suggesting that you do things so that you won't have to cope as much in the future.

I read, I write, I watch football, I run. Not enough.

American football? Who's your team?

Football football, not gridiron lmao.

Lol. Premier League?

I mean look: I could name virtually all of the NFL teams because America is a superpower and projects itself across the world.

But the beautiful game is what I usually watch. I only tune in for the Super Bowl in gridiron.

Yep. Manchester United, a basic choice, but they were actually being overshadowed when I picked them, and only then did they start winning like mad.

I just came to check out the sub and I have some legitimate questions.

Why do you see women as a hive-mind and not individual human beings?

Why are you automatically shut down anyone who tries to give you advice?

Why do you take out your anger on women who have nothing to do with your immediate struggle?

Why do you see women as a hive-mind and not individual human beings

Do you mean in terms of when they are looking for a partner? Or just in general?

Why are you automatically shut down anyone who tries to give you advice

Much of the advice we get is trite and overused. We've gotten it before, tried it, and it hasn't worked.

Why do you take out your anger on women who have nothing to do with your immediate struggle

Any specific examples of this?

The idea that every person is completely unique with no inheritance from gender or other genetics is a fallacy. Women and men have different brains and ON AVERAGE different patterns of behaviour.

Why do you see women as a hive-mind and not individual human beings?

When people talk about normality, it means that there's a specific set of traits that people feel are commonplace. Women in general are treated favorably by society so they have no reason to have any harsh feelings against society and benefit a lot from conforming to societal norms. I think there's definitely going to be exceptions, but they're so few in number that the outliers don't matter.

Why are you automatically shut down anyone who tries to give you advice?

The advice is dumb and only applies to the person giving advice. The situation of normies is different from the situation of incels so normie advice doesn't apply.

Why do you take out your anger on women who have nothing to do with your immediate struggle?

They all have something to do with it because people who are just living a normal life are people who keep up societal norms that exclude incels.

Why are you automatically shut down anyone who tries to give you advice?

Because telling someone to shower isn't an "advice" you fucking bum, if I told someone struggling to find a job that he needs to shower he'd punch me in the face and rightfully so.

Why do you see women as a hive-mind and not individual human beings?

because they all act the same when dating

Why are you automatically shut down anyone who tries to give you advice?

we dont if its good advice . most advice is bad though and doesnt actually adress the problem. Telling us to improve our personality when looks are our problem doesnt help

Why do you take out your anger on women who have nothing to do with your immediate struggle?

we dont, even though women are the reason of our struggle

I have a male friend I suspect is on track for ending up here. And sure, whatever, I'm never ever going to sleep with him, BUT: I don't actually think he has to be as unattractive as he is.

My question to you (as a proxy for him): Why do you object to women trying to help you? Seriously, he doesn't HAVE to look like a garden gnome. (And no, I have never said that to him, though I did once say he was bordering on Homeless Chic with an outfit.)

If I offered to spend the afternoon helping you accentuate the strong points and neutralize the negatives, why so much resistance?

Could you elaborate on the kind of help you offer? We get a lot of generic advice, you see.

Most of the advice we get is trite and overused. Did you offer this guy IRL help and he refused? Or are you not sure if you should offer help or not?

I'm never ever going to sleep with him

If you won't why would others?

I'm never ever going to sleep with him

lol

Why do you object to women trying to help you?

Simply put it you wouldn't ask a fish how to catch fish, you'd ask a fisherman

Why do you object to women trying to help you?

I'm never ever going to sleep with him

You answered your own question before you even asked it.

Yeah, where can I get real HGH?

Sorry what is this sub about?

Read the sidebar

Neurobiology.

Why do so many of you buy into right wing ideology when a lot of it's framework around things like traditional masculinity and gender roles screws you when it comes to having sex.

This question is too broad but I would say because the alternative is a left wing ideology that is unrealistic, innacurate and is the cause of many problems.

As an Incel you're considered to already be someone at peak of having problems in a reality where you are essentially the lowest of the low. Why would being "unrealistic" or "causing problems" even factor in when things in your current paradigm can hardly get any worse for you?

Women reward traditional masculinity lmao. Strong men are preferred to weak men. Fifty Shades of Gray. The "bad boy" archetype. I mean, why is it an archetype at all? Why is it so popular? (It ain't some fringe fetish)

Certainly not across the board and yeah having deficits is a thing but what exactly does overplaying yours do for you?

I'm just pointing out the reality of things. It's hard enough dealing with an uphill battle when most people refuse to openly acknowledge it or ridicule us.

There are two types of celibates, the genetic dead-ends who have always existed and the losers of sexual liberation who were recently created by the left.

We have no reason to believe in a left wing ideology that is based on the premise of egalitarianism, people who are genetic dead-ends experience inequality firsthand, they understand that their negative life outcomes are a direct result of their genes, they can not believe that all men are created equal when chad is chad. As for those who are losers in the sexual marketplace, they have an obvious reason to not support the ideology that has stacked deck against them.

What does the left offer us? Nothing, not even an accurate understanding of the world, the claims the left makes about women, gender, masculinity, etc are false.

And a right wing outlook doesn't have the deck stacked against you? At least the advent of sexual liberalization creates the possibility for sex to become more accessible for everyone even if that's not apparent right now. How does being on the right remotely make it at all possible for helping you to have sex? Being at the bottom, what claim can you possibly make to argue that you're in any way better off than anyone else with the same set of circumstances who has unrealistic yet positive delusions about life?

Sexual liberalisation turned sexuality and dating into a free market. And there's nothing more ruthless than a fee market, as leftists know. Inequality is high and there will be losers.

In what context was Inequality not high or there were no losers?

Sexuality and dating is much more of a free market now.

Deluding yourself and holding on too a non existent hope is not healthy I don't see the need to be 100% optimistic in all aspects of life all the time.

Like I said, genetic dead-ends have been lonely in the past and will be so in the future, no political or social changes will make a difference for them. The sexual revolution has created new losers and further liberalization is only going to make things worse for those people, the left denies this entirely

How about you give me an example of the left will benefit people like us?

Who said one needs to be optimistic all the time and on what basis can you claim that anything about you and your is shit and hopeless mindset is in anyway better or healthier than someone with the delusion of hope?

Sexual liberalisation makes it so more people are open and willing for sex, upping your chances. It creates more options and opportunities to buy it from others. It acknowledges it as therapy while providing more research into how it can be harmful and beneficial to society. And it opens up and creates new forms of sex and sexual release to be available so you don't have to go on with this all or nothing world view of desperately needing a woman for release and to feel validated as a human being.

Now what does your leaning into a sexual right wing future paradigm give you?

Are you even reading anything I have written?

I don't know how to make this any clearer. Sexual liberalization has not and will not provide benefits to some, it has and will make things worse for others. Neither the left nor right have anything to offer genetic dead ends, but only the right has something to offer the losers of sexual liberalization.

As for these new forms of sex, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. High definition porn? Male sex toys? This is nonsense.

The left are liars, the right will atleast acknowledge the truth about human nature, that is all there is too it.

I gave you examples you asked for on how sexual liberalism brings benefits and progresses and you completely ignored them.

You haven't remotely made one point or example as to how it has made it worse or how a right wing paradigm remotely makes anything around it at all better.

Only the left brings about any kind of change where the right in regards to sexuality and gender roles has no change and leaves you stuck an untouchable forever.

There are many different ways one can relate to and experience sex, that isn't nonsense.

If the best and only thing right has to offer you is "the truth" that your shit then the delusion you have is that you actually think you're better off in accepting that as your reality than people with delusions that don't.

You didn't offer any examples, you said some bullshit about "new forms of sex" and therapy. The left is not going to make ugly virgins fuckable, they can't change human nature.

they can't change human nature

Do you really believe that beauty standards can't change?

I don't believe that human nature is blank slate. There will never be radical changes in beauty standards, Brad Pitt and Scarlett Johansson will never be considered ugly and bug-eyed, 5ft 4 men with recessed jaws will never be attractive.

I don't believe that human nature is a blank slate.

Well, technically you're correct. Infants as young as just a few months exhibit rudimentary arithmetical skills--basically, they can add and subtract. However, infant and animal psychology is very different from non-infant and non-animal psychology, in that it is cultural rather than instinctual. It is not the view of mainstream psychologists that it is biologically determined.

There will never be radical changes in beauty standards, Brad Pitt and Scarlett Johansson will never be considered ugly and bug-eyed, 5ft 4 men with recessed jaws will never be attractive.

I personally don't think SJ is attractive. Just like beauty standards are culturally relative, they also differ from individual to individual. Human psychology is highly subjective. It is also malleable.

There are many esteemed psychologists who believe that is biologically determined, many evolutionary psychologists maintain that much of human behavior is inborn and immutable. Steven pinker wrote an entire book devoted to rejecting the blank slate.

Obviously among individuals preferred features can vary wildly, especially among men, Most men don't find plus size models attractive, some do but even plus size models adhere to typical standards such as a wide hip to waist ratio.

You can't expect the left to change human nature, the left does not even intend to change male beauty standards and they couldn't even if they tried, and if anything the globalization advocated will mean a convergence of beauty standards into one typical global standard.

many evolutionary psychologists maintain that much of human behavior is inborn and immutable

Evolutionary psychology is a problematic field for this very reason. Its views are completely theoretical and not exactly in line with research findings. In psychology, there is something called the missing heritability problem, which refers to the failure of researchers to link specific genes to particular behaviors. As Wayne Weiten writes in Psychology: Themes and Variations (10th Edition), "There are no genes for behavior per se." Additionally, he cites Danielle Dick and Richard Rose's statement from a review of behavioral genetics research that "[g]enes confer dispositions, not destinies." Biology only serves to produce vulnerabilities or tendencies toward certain behaviors. There are no genes that produce specific behaviors regardless of experience.

Steven pinker wrote an entire book devoted to rejecting the blank slate.

I'm aware of this.

The idea that genes determine specific behaviors is unsupported. In fact, the available evidence suggests the contrary. As Weiten notes, ". . . is it all in the genes? When it comes to behavioral traits, the answer clearly is no." The dominant view in mainstream psychology is that biology and experience jointly influence each other to produce behavior, not that biology determines it.

You can't expect the left to change human nature, the left does not even intend to change male beauty standards and they couldn't even if they tried, and if anything the globalization advocated will mean a convergence of beauty standards into one typical global standard.

1. I'm sure you understand that there are many varieties of leftism. Some leftists are, in fact, opposed to oppressive beauty standards.
2. Again, the only thing "natural" about human psychology/behavior is that it's cultural, meaning that it's malleable and subject to change.
3. There's no reason to believe that cultures must have beauty standards at all. In an ideal society, beauty standards wouldn't even exist.

which refers to the failure of researchers to link specific genes to particular behaviors.

We know that both height and IQ are highly heritable, yet we have not discovered which particular genes determine height and IQ, yet it would be ridiculous to argue that height is not heritable and that genes do not play a role in a persons height. (Ignoring malnutrition and growth disorders, etc)

Some leftists are, in fact, opposed to oppressive beauty standards. Which leftists? I see liberal feminists arguing arguing for fat acceptance and "natural beauty" appreciation but this really amounts to little more than fat feminists trying to make themselves more attractive, their fat acceptance does not extend to men

In an ideal society, beauty standards wouldn't even exist. To me that is an unrealistic as saying that in a ideal society there would be no death or disease, it just isn't going to happen because it can't.

We know that both height and IQ are highly heritable, yet we have not discovered which particular genes determine height and IQ, yet it would be ridiculous to argue that height is not heritable and that genes do not play a role in a persons height.

The heritability of IQ, which has been estimated to be between 40%-80%, varies by socioeconomic status. As Weiten explains, ". . . it is notably lower in samples drawn from lower socioeconomic strata than it is in samples drawn from middle- and upper-class homes." Adoption studies have shown this. According to cultural psychologist Carl Ratner, author Macro Cultural Psychology: A Political Philosophy of Mind, "[c]hildren adopted by parents of high SES had IQs that averaged 12 points higher than IQs of those adopted by low SES parents, regardless of whether the biological mothers were of low SES." SES's effects on IQ are well-documented. Clearly, if it were biologically determined, they wouldn't covary.

Physical features such as height, which are determined by genes, are not comparable to psychological traits, which are merely influenced by genes. As Ratner has found, biology merely serves as a general potentiating substratum for behavior. This distinction between determinism and potentiation is subtle, but important.

Which leftists?

This is something you can google yourself. Leftism is a political ideology focused around social equality. I'm not sure why you're saying anti-lookist sentiments are not leftist.

it just isn't going to happen because it can't

It almost seems like you believe cultural change is impossible. Might you explain why you believe this?

I have literally never heard any leftist specifically discuss lookism beyond general tolerance and politeness, a google search for lookism does not even return relevant results. This is not an issue that left cares about, if these people do exist they are so far outside the mainstream they are irrelevant.

It almost seems like you believe cultural change is impossible.

I don't believe cultural change is impossible only that some aspects of culture are determined by inherent psychological traits which are genetically determined, attraction and beauty standards are among those aspects.

I have literally never heard any leftist specifically discuss lookism beyond general tolerance and politeness, a google search for lookism does not even return relevant results. This is not an issue that left cares about, if these people do exist they are so far outside the mainstream they are irrelevant.

Well there's a difference between leftist culture and leftist ideology. Clearly, since leftism advocates social equality, anti-lookism is leftist. Just because current popular leftist discourse doesn't involve anti-lookism doesn't mean that it doesn't accord with leftist ideology, or that it won't someday be included more in that discourse.

some aspects of culture are determined by inherent psychological traits which are genetically determined, attraction and beauty standards are among those aspects

Then how do you explain cultural variation in beauty standards and differences in individual tastes? Again, human psychology is not biologically determined. There are no genes, or sets of genes, that produce particular behaviors regardless of environment.

A key issue when it comes to biological determinism is that it depends on the modularity of mind hypothesis, which claims that the human brain contains genetically predetermined cortical modules tasked with processing specific psychological phenomena. To date, no research has determined that such modules exist. Additionally, the idea is problematic due to the great variation in human psychology that has existed throughout history with respect to evolutionary time scales. Since it takes about thousands of generations for morphological change to occur in a species, this variation cannot be due to evolution. (To give you some perspective, there have only been about 100 generations since the Roman Empire was founded.)

So, considering the missing heritability problem, the lack of direct physiological evidence of cortical modules, and the philosophical problems relating to biological determinism, as well as the wealth of evidence to the contrary, biological determinists don't really have a leg to stand on. Their position is pure, baseless intellectual guesswork, and it flies in the face of the currently accepted understanding of human psychology.

current popular leftist discourse doesn't involve anti-lookism doesn't mean that it doesn't accord with leftist ideology, or that it won't someday be included more in that discourse.

It is never going to be included in leftist discourse because the left is feminine, the control that women exert over the left is strong and they have no incentive to change the current sexual dynamics.

It is never...

You're such a fatalist, haha. I think lookism issues will likely be of high concern to leftists in the near future. The rising popularity of forums like this shows that it's already becoming somewhat of a mainstream issue. It's only a matter of time before popular leftist discourse focuses on lookist injustice.

But yeah, dude. Human psychology is not biologically determined. If direct quotes from psychology literature don't convince you, I'm not sure what will.

You are not going to convince me because the science surrounding genetics and psychology is far from settled, I don't believe what I am suggesting is fringe, this is not flat earth we are talking about, a good amount of scholars hold a position similar to mine.

I don't see anything that indicates to me that the left will shift their attention to lookism or even sympathize with the type of people who browse this subreddit, it just seem plausible to me, I am pretty sure the left would advocate for animal-human relationships before they ever address the concerns of ugly virgins and I think most leftists would agree, they want us to shut up and watch.

You are not going to convince me because the science surrounding genetics and psychology is far from settled

Researchers have been working hard to tie specific genes to traits such as intelligence, musical ability, extraversion, etc., to very little avail. The fact that complex behavioral traits are polygenic, involving thousands of genes that, according to Weiten, "each exert very modest influence" largely accounts for the missing heritability problem. While the precise details relating to how specific genes interact with the environment to produce behavior haven't yet been fleshed out, what is settled is genes' potentiating (rather than deterministic) role in behavior. Says Weiten: "What scientists find again and again is that heredity and experience jointly influence most aspects of behavior. Moreover, their effects are interactive—they play off each other." Researchers have consistently found that behavior is the product of jointly influencing biological and environmental factors. No studies have concluded that complex behavioral traits are "inherited" in the same manner that, say, eye color is.

I don't believe what I am suggesting is fringe, this is not flat earth we are talking about, a good amount of scholars hold a position similar to mine.

Yet none of these scholars have supported the modularity of mind thesis with tangible research or made important strides in work involving the missing heritability problem, which would be necessary to give their position some credence. Again, their work is purely theoretical. And it goes against the findings of behavioral genetics researchers who've consistently found that, as Weiten notes, genes "confer dispositions, not destinies."

I don't see anything that indicates to me that the left will shift their attention to lookism or even sympathize with the type of people who browse this subreddit, it just does not seem plausible to me, I am pretty sure the left would advocate for animal-human relationships before they ever address the concerns of ugly virgins and I think most leftists would agree, they want us to shut up and watch.

I agree that leftists today don't seem to sympathize with incels, and this sort of thing is partly why I've become disillusioned with popular leftist culture. That they maintain the pretense of compassion while not giving a damn about the suffering undergone by incels is totally hypocritical. Like you said, it's strongly influenced by "feminism," at the expense of legitimate men's concerns. I'm hoping this will change soon, though, and the increasing popularity of forums like this indicate to me that it might.

To the left the people who browse this forum are the product of toxic masculinity, misogyny and patriarchy, if they ever view ugly virgins as anything other than enemies they will only attempt to placate us with VR porn or legal prostitution. The left worships women, they understand that our situation is the product of women's free choice which is never to be infringed.

To the left the people who browse this forum are the product of toxic masculinity, misogyny and patriarchy

To be fair, some people here are like that. Not all, though.

I particularly dislike how leftists conflate the frustration incels feel over Western women in particular, with misogyny, which is a general hatred of women. It's silly to believe that hating a particular subgroup of people means you hate the broader group they belong to. This would be like saying someone is racist against all blacks just because they hate black gangsters. It's a silly, false charge.

The left worships women, they understand that our situation is the product of women's free choice which is never to be infringed

I believe they should have free choice. Everyone should. The problem though, as I've said, is that certain cultural factors, including eurocentric beauty standards, coerce them into making choices that only privilege very few men. So to solve this, we should eliminate these factors. This way, women can keep their freedom, and sexual fulfillment will be more equalized among the populace.

The left are liars and they are wrong, the right will at least acknowledge the truth about human nature

The belief that eurocentric beauty standards (which favor characteristics such as tallness, blue or green eyes, broad jaws, etc.) are "natural" is incredibly naive and ethnocentric. Beauty standards differ depending on time and place. Didn't you know this? The right only acknowledges the truth relating to popular perceptions in our culture. In all cultures, conservatives are never right when it comes to ideas about "human nature," because they're fundamentally ethnocentric.

The left are not liars, and they are not wrong. The only thing "natural" about human psychology/behavior is that it's cultural and political. This means it is subject to change. Incels, and people in general, who advocate rightist politics do so against their better interest.

(I'm a psychology major, BTW.)

You're advocating a blank slate theory of human nature lol you couldn't be more wrong, I'm sure anyone of the ethnics here would love to tell you how wrong you are. There are certain standards of beauty that are universal and outside of primitive tribal cultures we rarely see massive deviations from certain norms.

You're advocating a blank slate theory of human nature lol you couldn't be more wrong

Do you believe human psychology is biologically determined?

I'm sure any of the ethnics here would love to tell you how wrong you are

Are you suggesting that being ethnic makes one informed about human psychology? This is a silly remark.

There are certain standards of beauty that are universal and outside of primitive tribal cultures we rarely see massive deviations from certain norms.

While some psychologists have suggested that features such as symmetry are cross-culturally valued, there are no features specific to particular ethnicities that are universally favored. As cultural anthropologists have found:

https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/marriage/marriage_1.htm

Ethnocentric values universally play an important part in our perceptions of beauty. However, some psychologists have suggested that in all societies the essence of beauty is a symmetrical face and body. For instance, having the same shape eyes equidistant from the center line of the face and at the same elevation on the head would be universally considered attractive. Individual cultural differences come into play in favoring particular shapes, sizes, and colors of eyes.

Which beauty standards relating to particular shapes, sizes, and colors of eyes do you believe are "universal?"

Eye color is not a particularity important feature, very rarely are blue or green eyes seen outside of European populations but non- Europeans don't find these traits unattractive, for women most races prefer wide or almond shaped eyes, bug or deep set eyes are not considered attractive.

non- Europeans don't find these traits unattractive

Source? Even if true, so what? Many non-Europeans live in cultures that value eurocentric beauty standards. Despite their ethnicity they are still influenced by these standards.

for women most races prefer wide or almond shaped female eyes, bug or deep set eyes are not considered attractive but there are many other universal standards.

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Because these are biological constructs that exist in every mammalian species on the planet, not social ones

Different mammals have different and variable gender roles...

show me a species where males are the gatekeeper of sex, a species where females prefer clearly genetically inferior males and a species where more males then females reproduce

Can there be a sticky to post all the translations/terms?

e.g.

CHAD = good looking white guy.

CHANG = good looking asian guy

TYRONE = good looking black guy

PAJEET = good looking indian guy

LOPEZ = good looking hispanic guy

ROASTIE = typical female slut

etc.

No. That would further encourage normies to not lurk. They already are too fucking lazy to lurk. We do not need to incentivize them to not lurk further.

I feel like people are exaggerating your positions because they don't look deep enough, it's like people see the worst guys out of here. But there are genuinely people here I would honestly consider a threat for society.

But there are genuinely people here I would honestly consider a threat for society.

Who?

I've seen the views and ideas of some incels, and it's honestly really dark. Now I don't know if they were serious, but I hope they weren't.

That does not answer my question. Who do you "honestly consider a threat for society"?

The incels that dehumanize women or other people in general, treating them worse than you are allowed to treat a dog today, worse than you would treat a machine...

Answer my fucking question. WHO? Don't give me these bullshit claims. Give me fucking usernames or fuck off.

i saw a post about them, I don't remember the name and I won't go searching for them.

So you have no proof for you claim. Fuck off then.

you'll go witch hunting, either on the either on me, IT has great examples, go there

PAJEET = good looking indian guy

Lurk more please.

What is is with you guys and your wrist fetish

Small wrists are an indicator of shit frame, which makes you less attractive and less masculine in general.

Sorry, but what does this frame thing mean? Is it like your bone structure?

Yes, it’s your bone structure.

We know that no one consciously look at other people's wrists or bizygomatic length, it's subconscious, the little things that make someone attractive.

small wrist = low hgh and dht during puberty. men who are more attractive and sexually dysmorphic have larger bones

You tell me you stupid cunt, you're the one who seem to have a problem with it.

It seems like some people are having a hard time fulfilling their desires. Have any of you heard of Solomon’s Lesser Key/The Goetia? You can get what you want, you just have to know how to ask for it. I might be able to help...😐

...what? Lmao.

Are there any incels here that lean far left? Like Bernie Sanders or further left than that left, especially on the social issues? Aka a socialist (Social Democrat counts).

If yes, what is it like being a part of a community that is often sexist and homophobic?

If there are no socialists in this community, is it impossible to be a socialist with your experiences in life?

The reason I ask is partially because as a socialist it's hard to read a lot of the things posted here without being a little disgusted. The second reason is because I give very few fucks about looks, and I know a few other people who feel the same way. The thing we have in common is that we are largely bisexual/pansexual and lean heavily left in Norwegian politics (which is already about as left as Bernie Sanders is). I have also found that these people, me included, generally mind mental illness a lot less in relationships than most people.

Lmao most of us don't give a shit about LGBT people. I went through a bisexual phase myself. Was actually a key part of blackpilling myself.

Stalin was economically left wing but pro-life (didn't allow abortions). Fidel Castro had no tolerance for homosexuality.

This subreddit acknowledges racism.

This subreddit also compares sexual to economic inequality.

You don't seem to understand how politics work. You can be a Facist and still support gay rights, women's rights, etc. despite it typically being associated with the extremist right wing. Likewise, you can be a Socialist and still support eugenics and concentration camps.

These people are unlikely to be leftists of any kind, because the incel belief system is totally narcisstic.

hi guys

what's a mentalcel?

Whats the worst thing you guys have suffered in the hands of women? Just curious, since women are responsible for 70% of the posts material here.

Hello, woman here. To those of you who hate women or don't like them because they won't bang you; why the heck do you think a woman has to like you when in reality she has the right to like any type of boy she wants, whether it's only tall men, short men, men with black hair, etc.?

Hello, woman here.

Why did you feel the need to specify that? You're not going to get special treatment because of your cunt.

why the heck do you think a woman has to like you when in reality she has the right to like any type of boy she wants, whether it's only tall men

We don't. We're all well aware that nobody is entitled to anything. We only lament this fact. Maybe you should educate yourself a bit before jumping to conclusions, you stupid roastie.

Jesus christ, as a woman this shit is terrifying. You're aware that we are all humans? You're aware that there are ugly women looking for love/sex? Your inability to exist like a decent human being is not anyone else's prerogative. Go figure your own fucking shit out and stop blaming others.

This is true, there are unattractive women looking for love.

You're aware that there are ugly women looking for love/sex?

Yeah and they don't look for long because they find Chad straight away. There are no involuntary celibate females.

That's not how it works, and honestly I think that everyone here can find someone. And I mean everyone. Life is crazy, despite what you think. I used to think the same way as you until I found someone that entirely changed my worldview. I was sure that no one wants/will want me and I was totally okay with that. And just remember to not follow statistics if you want success. Just because the chances of something happening are low that doesn't mean it can't happen. There are people willing to help you, but you should start being less stubborn to say so, I'm guilty of being stubborn myself and it usually doesn't work in my favor. If any of you want a personal chat to say so feel free to contact me.

I couldn't care less about what you have to say.

See that's the problem, you choose to not listen, to close yourself in a box. In the future you might look back to what I said and say that I'm right, maybe even the close future. But for now I can't do anything other than try and convince you, but you seem to not want to be convinced.

I'm more than willing to discuss things, you can see my comments are all over this thread.

Just because the chances of something happening are low that doesn't mean it can't happen.

Statistically, there's a fair bit more males in the world than females, so yes there's pretty much a guarantee that some males (the males at the bottom of the ladder) will end up with no one.

What was the point of this comment? Just coming in here without learning anything and making a righteous comment to make yourself feel good?

I stumbled upon this sub, read comments, and shared how I felt. I think that's the point of the comment section honey. If you read my comment and thought, "She feels good about this" then you might want to reread the comment. This sub treats women like they're aliens. Its crazy. There are absolutely 0 women on this planet that owe you anything, and I mean anything. They don't owe you a fuck, they don't owe you a conversation, they don't owe you a God damn breath in your direction. Mandatory marriage is horrifying. The promotion of forcing women to marry men they don't want to marry is scary. The idea that there are people that want to solve their loneliness by forcing things on others is terrible. I think that there's a running joke on this sub that people tell incels that all they have to do is pull theirselves out of it and go get a hair cut and try talking to people and that it doesn't work. What doesn't work is if you have a mental illness that needs treatment and you try to deal with that yourself. If you have a mental illness, you need help. If you're lonely and socially awkward and less than super attractive, join the club. One day you will have to stop blaming others and take responsibility of your actions. Until then, wallow in self pity I guess.

Yeah, that's still a pretty shallow view. A minority of people care about forced marriages. The rest have either given up entirely or would rather society become less lookist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelsWithoutHate/comments/8lgcw9/here_learning_about_incels/

It took minutes of looking over the thread to find out that forced marriage was a popular idea, but that people thought it was a dream that would never happen. People consider switching religions for it. I get that you're trolling at the end there, and I get that you think you (and your incel friends) are the good kind. Systematic racism and sexism are miles from no body wants to bang me, and I feel entitled to female affection.

Where did you see that in the thread I linked you???

It's the same Just World "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mindset.

Lookism absolutely exists lmao. Men are affected more severely than women, although it exists across the board.

"Entitled" you keep looking at it the wrong way. It's more resentment at a wild imbalance in dating between men and women that goes unacknowledged.

"You and your incel friends" uh-huh.

Hold on, I'll link something else.

get this one banned

Mature 💋

Yeah a bunch of virgins posting macro images on the internet is terryfying. But dating the local drug dealer? Sign me in!

ugly women looking for love/sex can just download tinder tho

Stay terrified sweety.

Stay pathetic boo 💋

Suck on my nuts, Bitch.

I have multiple questions:

1) Why do you all refer to unfortunate things that happen to women as “life fuel?” I’ve seen multiple posts about women crying or being in other kinds of emotional distress, for example, and the general reaction from the -cel community has been either complete apathy or celebration of the woman’s sadness. Why?

2) On a scale of 1-10, how would you personally and truthfully classify your social skills? 1 being extreme social anxiety to the point where you can’t leave your house, and 10 being confident enough to be able to approach and talk to strangers, including women.

3) What lead you all to becoming an incel? When did you realize that you were one? Do you think you’ll ever find a romantic partner?

4) Why is a woman’s sexual activity such a large topic of criticism on this sub? Why does it matter that a woman has had sex? Does this stem from insecurity and resentment? Is there an aspect of jealousy at play in this?

5) Have you completely resigned from dating and trying to find a partner? If so, why?

1. I looked at all the top posts (two pages of posts) for this week, not a single one featured female misery and the words LIFE FUEL, it's not a major meme on this subreddit). For the few that do exist, I guess some post it out if a sense of karma.

2. 7.

3. Complete failure in all my romantic endeavours, online and offline.

4. It's directly relevant to our inceldom. Women tend to date upwards (in looks and status) where's men are happy to date downwards. Women are far more selective and judge the average man as unattractive compared to how men judge women.

5. I can't speak for everyone. I've half-given up. I'll still go for potential chances if they arise, but I'm very pessimistic.

It's directly relevant to our inceldom. Women tend to date upwards (in looks and status) whereas men are happy to date downwards. Women are far more selective and judge the average man as unattractive compared to how men judge women.

Do you not realize that this belief perpetuates inceldom? Like, if you believe this, what is the point of trying? But if you don’t believe this, why sit around and wallow in self-pity? It’s totally self-fulfilling.

I just find all of this very confusing, it seems like you’re giving yourself an out by blaming other people (and specifically women) for what’s happening.

Have you ever been friends with a woman? Do you have any female friends at present?

Most of my friends are female lmao. I hung out with the emo/scene crowd. I still have the hair and body type. This is was during my bisexual phase (look through my comment history if you're curious), when I had one romantic crush on a guy, but that was it.

It has only been over the past year that I've realised I was never actually attracted to men in general, just a one-off thing.

You also presume I haven't tried. I have. Tinder was a wash, just stonewalled lmao. College hasn't been any better, just getting waved away and conversations ending with them finding an excuse to leave.

Yeah that demented mass murder was an idiot because he didn’t try to have sex, not because of the mass murder. Get a grip.

Tindr is entirely based on looks, that’s the point. If you don’t have a certain look, you might not attract people. But like, the theory is that only dudes with 6-packs get women, which is nonsense. You’re at a college! I bet half your professors are dumpy nerdy men with small wrists, but many of them have wives and partners. How do you explain that?

Are you just looking for sex, or are you looking for a partner? Can you conceive of a woman as a full partner in a relationship, not just a sex object? What do your female friends say when you talk to them about this?

I feel like talking to a female friend is maybe a better way of developing a more healthy attitude towards women than posting on an exclusively male subforum for men angry at women.

My response got deleted but basically the mention of a mass murderer in a casual way and saying he was lame because he didn’t try to have sex with women and not because of the mass murder is deeply weird, dude.

Second, I don’t understand how you explain the many men around you that don’t fit the Chad stereotype yet have romantic partners. It is so strange that you spend your time building up these bizarre hierarchies to justify your own patheticness instead of actually developing strong female friendships and reframing your worldview to view women as people, not sex objects.

Like, the incel idea falls apart under the slightest observation. But you actively choose to wallow in it and play the victim. Idk I just don’t get how these subreddits last more than a week

...you're reaching here. Really.

My point there was that people take Rodger as the archetypal incel, when he wasn't.

No. Not all non-incels are Chads. Chads are just the top tier of guys.

Yeah, I'll just copy-paste my other response since you didn't see it. Hold on.

No, I saw it. It’s bad. You’re awful and I hope you get help.

How am I awful? Tell me.

You asked about female relationships, I told you. No response.

Stop wasting your time arguing with a woman.

I so fucking hate it when someone writes a long, thoughtful comment and you shits reply in this manner. Go fuck yourself.

1. You've only seen cherry picked extremists from IncelTears. Most extremists left to incels.me or are downvoted

2. 3

3. What lead to it? I've been alive 26 years and I've yet to have sex? When did I realize I was unable to have sex? A better question is when did I realize it was abnormal. 10th grade. I think I'll have to get extremely lucky and find someone with lower self esteem then myself

4. Sour grapes

5. Sort of. I would prefer not to settle for someone I have nothing in common with but society puts a lot of stigma on being an adult virgin so I pray for a 1 night stand and a partner i can relate with in the future.

As a virgin who doesn’t necessarily identify as incel let me try to awnser these questions:

1) I don’t recognize myself in that, and don’t identify with ppl enjoying the suffering of innocent people.

2) I think a 5 is a good one. I have been diagnosed with aspergers(form of autism) so I actually have a real prob regarding Social skills. It has improved over the years but still isn’t on par with the average person. I have the confidence to go outside and maintain necessary relations. I also have no problems talking to girls in a non flirty/non sexual context. I wont approach ppl just like that without some legitimate non sexual pretext.

3) just the abovementioned stuff. Unlike most incels I wont emphasize my looks as the most important factor, sure im no chad but im not that ugly either. On the looks department I think I fall into the normie category, so I would say my set of social skills is definately the most important reason for still being a virgin. I basically realised at the age when most of your peers do get land and you start asking yourself what youre doing wrong.

4) it probably has to do with jealousy yes. Realizing that its much easier for women, even relatively ugly ones, to get laid feeds this feeling of how unfair the World is. But that is the way it is, and im not blaming anyone for doing anything I would do in their position, but it can still suck you know.

5) not completely, but I am not going to put in a lot of effort to change it anyways. If it comes across my path I wont avoid it but if it doesn’t I will accept it. There are other things in my life that have really sucked big time and stuff I still need to work on so finding a romantic relation doesn’t really have a priority atm.

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My surgeon is making me wait for a few years before facial reconstruction surgery. Any tips to cope with high school for two more years as an ugly piece of shit?

Post memes on the internet.

Have actual female friends, for a start. It’s not too late to stop posting here and talk to a woman IRL without trying to have sex with her.

I have female friends. Hurts even more when I see how differently they act to guys with faces they're attracted to

Why are non incels called "normies"? Because I feel like that word is used in so many """""fields"""", for example memes, and honestly it's a bit confusing sometimes.

For us, people who have regular relationships are the normies. It's contextual based on which group is using the term.

What have any of you done to better your circumstances in terms of education, job prospects, and earning income, social interests, grooming habits and things that can improve your physical attractive was such as weight training and exercise?

Every guy I know has had a girlfriend, gotten laid, ornis married. What exactly do you people do that has you so hopeless and incapable of maintaining a relationship?

Christ, ive accidentally gotten laid before. And I'm not a model or anything.

I'm fit and the opposite of fat, can run for miles and miles. I've tried Tinder, asked a friend out, asked out college girls at bars and all that. None of it worked.

If I were a girl, I wouldn't need to do ANYTHING to get laid. But even after trying, because I'm a guy it means I'm doing something wrong.

"Every guy I know" you know an utterly miniscule minority of a fraction of the percentage of all guys in America, let alone the world.

1) income is attractive to females. So is a guy that has his shit together, superficial as that may be.

2) after 42 years and knowing thousands of people, we aren't dealing with anecdotes here. So there is something "off" here with you incels. Its not all your looks or status.

So what is it?

1. I addressed this. Also, it's part of the blackpill.

2. There are 7.5 billion people. Entire populations.

3. I don't know. Maybe women on Tinder can sense that I've made silly memes online. Could be a psychic thing.

It’s weird how part of this whole uncle thing is complete denial of the similar female experience. Like, you would think you guys would want to find some of the women dealing with the same issues and maybe swap some knowledge, but instead you deny that such a community exists.

?

What do you mean? I'm just unclear as to what you said. Uncle?

My phone doesn’t like incels

Ah.

So wait, what did you mean by what you said, I'm not sure...?

The denial of the existence of female incels is core to the male incel identity. It’s weird

Women just have a much easier time in dating and sex. The number of genuinely incel women is extremely small.

And you base this on what, your extensive experience with women

Well, not just on my personal experience. Women have a much easier time getting laid and getting dates, this is just a fact.

Women virgins generally have different issues than male virgins. Let’s take 2 virgins in their mid 20’s one male and the other female. Neither of them are asexual or particularly religious and waiting for marriage or something. They both are about average looking too.

Now the women will probably have had several ppl approaching here, maybe not always the most handsome dudes but they certainly wheren’t all ugly. The reason she is virgin is because she turned all those guys down, now don’t get me wrong here. That’s totally here business and her right. But it isn’t something the male virgin can probably identify with.

The guy on the other hand has possibly never encountered any girl interested in him. He may have even actively tried to ask girls out, etc, etc but was being rebuffed every time. So while the female virgin has had the experience of seeing ppl interested in here the guy hasn’t and on top of that has a history of being turned down the girl doesn’t.

It basically boils down to this: While the girl could easily get consensual sex for free by at the very least an average looking dude, the guy can’t get that with an average looking girl without very considerable effort at least.

So from the incel pov most so called incel women are actually volcel. And nothing is wrong with that, your life your choices. You just arent an incel.

because theres easy proof that female cant have the same experience. make a tinder profile for a ugly girl and a ugly guy and you know why

Its not all your looks or status.

It literally is looks and status. In the east where it's a significant issue in society, women all leave rural areas to look for a better life and climb up in the social ladder. Women need to dedicate a lot more resources than males into baby-making so it's only natural that they'd want the best, but it leads to a lot of incel males and leftover/christmas cake women.

I've been well educated, but I chose to be a humble wood-carver after having experienced as much in life as I could and I've been through both poverty and wealth -- I'm not like that Wolf of Wall Street and I DON'T choose to be wealthy every time. I can be satisfied by simply living within my means.

Weight training and exercise has been covered to death in every detail. All women have their own personal preferences, and big muscles almost never show up on their radar. I've heard a six pack was favorable from women, but they want to see a six-pack as part of a whole package.

I've been more interested in being a friend and less interested in being a lover, but I'm a volcel rather than a typical incel. Women just confuse the crap out of me not to mention I mostly find them annoying, so I just do my own thing and they're welcome to follow me and share in my adventures in life and equally welcome to go live their own happy lives. I get the impression that they want the flattery that comes from manipulating men with their batted eyelashes more than they want a real relationship (...or if I could put words in their mouths: "if you jump through all of these hoops for me and give up all volition and independence, then just maybe if you play your cards right I'll let you go out of your way to make me happy as well" and I want them to be happy, literally anywhere else).

I've been in a few situations where I could have accidentally gotten laid (drunken parties, girls clinging to my shoulder to get Chad jealous for a night, even some extreme situations I don't want to bring up here), but my better nature prevailed and I look back remembering the bullets I dodged in each situation and I consider myself lucky for not falling into those traps. Heck, you could have seen my face on a sex offenders registry especially now with the #MeToo movement, but I wasn't dumb enough to go down that road.

I don't pity myself even if I am hopeless (especially at my age and in my dead-end job); I lived my life and I found it exciting as well as extremely challenging (like the "nightmare mode" meme, it almost does feel like it's a VR game to me and I'm just slaying it like you wouldn't believe).

Sorry for the wall of text, but I didn't think this deserved its own post.

Fair enough.

Every guy I know has had a girlfriend, gotten laid, or is married.

Every guy I know

People do avoid associating themselves with incels, yes

plently of gmycels here

theres a litteraly rich incel here, and multiple high status incels (doctors and stemcels)

also, youre just proofing the point of the sub. If youre unatractive, you have to compensate hard. not everbody is able to get a highi paying job

That's something that normies have known forever. Yes, looks matter. But being average or below average or even butt ugly hasn't stopped most of humanity throughout the years from finding a partner.

This. I’ve seen the ugliest people (inside and out) in the world get laid. It’s something personal that they’re blaming on another person.

After reading a bit I'm finding some recurring themes here:

1) Extreme self-pity 2) Extreme pessimism, zero confidence 3) Envy 4) Rage 5) Hopelessness 6) Anxiety, social awkwardness 7) The idea that women are objects and not people 8) Stubborness 9) Sense of entitlement

And the obvious, all of these piled on top of men that are generally:

10) not physically attractive

Alot of this stuff, hell, most of it, can be addressed by each person. Alot of these guys are young still too. This makes for an extremely unattractive person. Why you wouldn't make any sort of effort to better yourself if apparently getting ass is the most important thing on Earth is beyond me..

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I don't have alot of fucks to give.

Don't even think about it.

I think about alot of things....

Don't even think about it.

But being average or below average or even butt ugly hasn't stopped most of humanity throughout the years from finding a partner.

this is clearly wrong. How do you think natural selection happens?

The human population has exploded. Most people have kids/partners. This includes unattractive people. Christ, been to a Walmart lately? There are fat, ugly poor people everywhere.

and all these fat ugly poor people are saints with good personality?

Probably not, but they can still get a girl.

Serious question cus i havent seen an answer anywhere. Why do most of you remain virgins instead of shilling out the 150 or so dollars for a hooker? I get that most here care more about love but i see a lot of hating themselves for being virgins. Why not get a hooker?

1. It's probably safe it assume that if an obvious question has already occurred to you, it most likely has already been answered many, many times, you just haven't seen it yet.

2. Prostitutes don't want to fuck you. You are literally paying a woman to grit their teeth and have sex with you. It's only a step away from forcing a woman to have sex with you. Not really solving the issue.

Posting in a subforum populated exclusively by dudes like you isn’t really solving the issue either

It's a place to vent and cope with reality. Suffering in silence is a crock of shit. Trying to not care or passively accepting your fate feel far worse.

Right but one of the cornerstones of any kind of psychological treatment is reinforcing positive behaviours, and this sub does not appear to be reinforcing anything positive.

It's because we've tried and failed. Coping is all we have left.

Tried what, to have sex? Or to develop a fulfilling and meaningful relationship?

Do you have any female friends?

Look at your inbox, I replied to another one of your comments in detail about friends.

there is no psychological treatment to a ugly face

Because you are missing the point of inceldom.

Incels (largely) don't want a sex object. They want to be wanted. They want validation. They want romance. They want a relationship. They don't want to be alone.

Fair enough, but I’ve seen so many incels complain about how all women have it better because they can get laid more easily. Getting laid doesn‘t necessarily guarantee girls any of the above, so where is all the generalized hate towards women coming from? Or is this actually just a loud minority speaking?

getting laid for free form guys who find you attractive =/= getting laid after paying 200$ for a std ridden whore

I think it's because women can get validated and get the feeling of self-worth from millions of men. Of course, many women will want the best man they can get (that's called chad chasing), even if he doesn't share his feelings.

I'm not a girl, so I can't say how easy it is to get what I described above as a girl, but it's all that I Personally want (and I want to return those feelings as well).

Hookers commonly use inaccurate pics when Advertising their service. So much risk too, you can get robbed or worse yet

Not as straightforward as it might seem.. Not to mentiion cost

Reading all the terms get explained to people is so funny, I think people read too much into them.

Explaining the joke almost always kills it so a lot flies over people heads or they read something and see what they want to see to make us look as bad as possible. Some journalist from toronto thought everyone longing for the rope meant they wanted rope to tie someone up and rape them .... Arm yourselves, depressed lonely men are going to rope.

I think previous women who have commented here in the wrong ways are doing so in a fearful anger. In the same way many of you who identify as Incels believe women categorize the men they choose from, we feel as though we are being categorized in unfair and unfitting ways. I understand there is a distinct difference between groups like this and the extremists, but there is still a distinct gap in understanding between what is perceived of women and what is true of women. I want to apologise for the angry outbursts of other women on this page, I know it defies the purpose of understanding and intended here. I want to bridge that gap.

The incel movement is of course very scary in the extremist corners of it, we are being targeted for simply existing.

At this level, which seems to be frustrated men who have had unfortunate encounters with women, it's still a bit unnerving to see how we are viewed. We are not simply this or that, we are the exact same thing you are. We are completely individual. Some people conform to the popularity contest you refer to as being Chads and Stacys, but the majority of us are just people. What is perceived as favoring a certain variety of men is largely a false view of reality. Women do, however, favor men who communicate their feelings, who show interest in them. I'm not saying a man needs to do all the work, I'm just saying that it can't be expected that a woman "just knows."

I've seen many posts on various Incel forums where men are aware of their social issues, which is an excellent start. The next step would be to break that comfort zone. I promise, women are much more open and interested than it seems is commonly believed here, and I'm genuinely sorry for the crap some of you have encountered. We all have expectations for each other, and the mellenial generation wasn't raised to adapt to those. That's where this wedge has come from. Think from the woman's perspective. She's probably not avoiding you because you're short or quiet or type B. I'm a tall blonde 21 year old with a huge bubbly personality. I married a guy who is the same height as me, introverted, who I didn't notice right away. But he started a conversation with me, and was patient and sweet, and I was in love pretty quick. He's also the only man I've ever dated, much more slept with. I struggled to find a guy that was worth getting to know, because many just wanted sex. I wasn't single all that time because there wasn't male interest, it was just the wrong kind of male interest.

As long as you're not being a dirt bag, there are LOADS of girls out there that are worth your time. I hope this gives some perspective on how women see things, and more specifically, how women see this movement. We're scared. I hope you see that we aren't different. We want love too.

You're very sweet and kind and one in a million. Not flirting, that's just honesty assuming that you're being open and honest as well.

I've likened people who fit that description as a wad of 100 dollar bills thrown into a crowd at a concert. They're all taken. When boys leave high school without having found any love interest, the probability they're going to find a catch who's mature and responsible starts to plummet pretty quick. Not long after college, it seemed like basically a total write-off.

It sounds to me like what you're describing is a miracle in our day and age. We all want as many people as possible to have the kind of love you have. Remember us and don't take the life you have for granted because you're very fortunate to have your family.

Thanks for your uplifting story.

Well thank you, I really appreciate that. I certainly hope you don't give up hope, I really do mean that there are loads of incredible women out there. A lot of guys really suck, so there's a lot of us that are waiting for one that will actually treat us decently. Focus on things that you know you're good at, build your confidence. I have to focus on those kinds of things daily. I know what both parts of the confidence spectrum feel like. I've dealt with depression over the last couple years, and the most effective way to counteract that for me is to do what I'm good at. Also the reason I'm about to leave my job. Just do what you do best, feel good about it, and channel that goodness into talking to women. It's the best thing ever.

I don't doubt that exceptions and outliers exist. After all, in terms of patterns of behaviour, I'm speaking about majorities and averages, not 100% (others on this sub do believe this, though).

However, I think my personal experience has pushed me towards the blackpill simply because of how undeniable it was. I couldn't just rationalise it away.

She's not going to understand mate, spend some more time here. She's hardly unique and she's not bringing anything new to the table.

Meh, I just try with every normie. Doesn't hurt to make an effort.

What I don't understand is how that's at fault of all women? That's what's so sexist about this movement. You can take my explanation or leave it. I hope someday you'll see the other side, that we aren't doing anything but living our lives. I'm so sorry for your experiences. Based off your description of yourself, friends I have that are similar have not had the same issue. One of them is sterile due to past testicular cancer, and he just got married a few weeks ago to an incredibly beautiful girl. It has nothing to do with a "type," it's all individual attraction. I doubt any of this means anything to you because you are choosing not to hear me, but I honestly do wish you all the best, and a happy life with a good woman. ❤️

People have individual attractions, sure. But it's disingenuous to pretend everyone is exactly individually unique. We know taller men are preferred over shorter men. Masculine men over feminine men. Strong men over weak men. There's also the disparity between men and women on looks and attraction.

I'm not talking about 100% of women, don't get me wrong. But ON AVERAGE, y'see. There are some women who are stronger than some men, but on average, men are stronger. Individual cases do not abrogate the statistical reality.

The reason why I said I was at a disadvantage was empirical. It is objectively far more difficult to attract girls. Being a girl or a gay guy means a lot of effort is simply not spent just trying to get laid. If I were bisexual, the bare reality is that I'd most likely have gotten laid and even gotten a boyfriend.

Meanwhile with women, I haven't even gotten on to even remotely desire me. It's definitely odd.

Inb4 "your shitty attitude" I've only started posting here recently.

Before then, I asked girls out, did all the rounds. Well. I never got to the dating stage, of course.

I'm going back to college in September. I'll keep trying. Being here doesn't mean I've given up. It means I've accepted that the odds are very much against me and I'd better temper my expectations.

That's good to know, that last part there. We women are fighting an uphill battle as is. Feminazis take it way too far, but there are some definite inequalities that women face. But there are also some major inequalities for men as well, that Feminazis refuse to acknowledge. That's where a lot of this has come from. In the fight for equality, some women have gone way too far, setting their standards through the roof, and completely unrealistically. So I definitely resonate and sympathize with men on that.

The big issue women have with this community as a whole is that it's not our fault if a guy can't get laid. For one thing, sex isn't biologically as important to us, so it seems really shallow that there's an entire movement led by sex-hungry men that are getting violent because no woman wants to sleep with them. That's how it all looks from the outside. And people are dying too.

As I've dug deeper, I've found that the focus isn't always on sex, that most here are wanting genuine relationships.

This really is the polarizing movement to the current feminist movement. And that really scares me. Both are led by people very angry at the other for each their own reasons. Things will continue to get violent, even though most of you here are just lonely, and are finding that you've had similar experiences with those you meet here. That's super normal, it's just different in this political climate.

Because of my own fear of what has gone on with the Incel movement (getting my concealed carry next month), I wasn't sure what I would find here. I was pleasantly surprised to see some incel identifiers calling out other who are talking about wanting to rape, and other disgusting sentiments. My heart was warmed when I saw what was really going on. Love is the core of my being, and I wish I beam into all your brains the unconditional love I have for humanity. I know that sounds ridiculous and that I'm like some rainbows and unicorns basic white girl, but I seriously mean that with all my heart. I know what a lack of self love feels like, and I wouldn't wish that on Hitler (okay, maybe him.) I'm terrified of what others will do, but I have trust in people like you to keep things calm and rational. I can sense that much about you, you're just a normal guy dealing with life.

Feel free to message me, I'd love to know how college goes for you. I'm going back this fall too, getting started on a teach degree. I have such a massive vat of love, I figured the best way to distribute it is to teach 1st graders how to be humans and handle their emotions. I can't change their home lives, but maybe I'll change a life or two by dumping all this damn love on them every day :P

When boys leave high school without having found any love interest, the probability they're going to find a catch who's mature and responsible starts to plummet pretty quick. Not long after college, it seemed like basically a total write-off.

Sorry to butt in to another person's story, but I experienced the complete opposite of that.

When I finished school I was a boy who got lots of As and Bs in my exams but knew precious little about life and how to be me, beyond my parents' own prejudices. It took me a few years to grow up into a man that somebody wanted, as it turned out I was a virgin until 24.

We spend our whole lifetime learning and growing. You're getting better all the time.

Yeah I tried using language that would express uncertainty because I only know my own personal experiences. I spent the prime of my life living on an Army base in the barracks and it was miserable. The scene was abhorrent (if you've ever seen an episode of Redonkulas [MGTOW], he's dead on about the shenanigans but I think that's localized around US military bases -- caveat: I disagree with pretty much every view he has). I actually longed for the next deployment just to get out of there.

Coming up on 40 years old now, and I'm thinking romantic interest isn't impossible for me, but I have no delusions about starting a family. It ain't happening. Thank you for the support regardless. I hope each individual can ascertain these matters for themselves instead of relying on internet advice. :D

Why don't you guys just fuck fat girls?

they cant make us hard

There are pills for that.

yeah the blackpill

No, the blue diamond shaped ones.

Viagra doesn't make you horny it works by helping you get an errection once you are horny

Dude didn't say anything about being horny. His complaint was that fat girls don't make him hard.

Because they don't want to fuck me, and apparently it's called rape if I go ahead anyway. So, no thanks.

fat girls have no problem getting hot guys

Do you see any possible solutions to your problems? Besides obviously lifting and showering.

VR, AI