Imagine being so glutted with human company, so stupidly stuffed with complacent bourgeois happiness that you would write that insufferable cheeky letter without a shred of self-consciousness or empathy.

To be fair, which socially stable and likeable person plays such time wasting games on reddit?

“Likeable” people are busted for the most heinous offenses every day, some people can only find honest company online, so pervasive is the web of lies

I imagine him typing it, slouching backwards into his chair while sipping a soy-based fappucino, slightly smirking to himself. He nods once in approval, knowing he's found someone who to him is truly a waste of space.

And then he wanks off furiously because being such a cunt is the only thing that gives him sexual pleasure these days.

He's reading this comment right now and shaking in anger, because that's exactly what happened, guaranteed lmao

As he sips his tea, he is visibly gritting his teeth and adjusts his thick rim glasses.

I imagined that it was written by a woman. Which should say it all, really.

Why does he do this? Why does he look for people who post on those subreddits in his free time? It's obvious. He needs to find someone who is more worthless and pathetic than him. He clearly knows that he has no value and so he seeks out people on the internet who are seemingly worse than him so he can feel better about himself. He can't do this IRL because it's harder to find people like that IRL and it's also difficult to find someone who isn't better than him in at least 1 way IRL. But over the internet, he can limit his perception of us to just our post histories, which makes it easy for him and the rest of IT to label us as pathetic so that they can feel slightly better about their own miserable lives.

the person who wrote that isn't happy I can guarantee it

You could very well be right, and not just about them being unhappy at being called out! They could be unhappy in general. Why else mock others and punch down online?

As far as I can tell, there are two basic kinds of cruelty. One results from intentionally hurting others, knowing you're doing it, and enjoying it. People who do hateful, hurtful things like this are usually hurt themselves.

The other kind of "cruelty" results from ignorance -- when people don't understand what they're talking about or the mindsets of the people whom they're talking to. I would actually hesitate to label this "cruelty," to be honest. People who do things like this often stop when they realize how hurtful they're being. So, they may or may not be doing it out of their own unhappiness.

I don't know which one this person is. They could be playing this little game because they know it's hurtful to the people they're messaging, and they enjoy that. Or, they could be doing that because they haven't yet developed empathy for people with problems like these, and so they see antagonizing messages like this as hilarious, harmless fun. I know it's hard to empathize with that mindset of ignorance (just as they find it hard to empathize with the people they mock and provoke).

Either way... they're probably not happy, either about that comment or about themselves and their life!

Have you reported that user to the admins for harassment?

Jfc.

One of the hardest black pills to take is that despite all the laws and movie tropes and signs in high schools, no one actually cares about bullying if it's on someone they think should be bullied.

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no one actually cares about bullying if it's on someone they think should be bullied.

Yeah. This whole 'justified' bullying just looks stupid and undermines bullying in general.

Simply curious - do you guys not recognise the treatment you subject any and all females who visit this sub, some of whom express sympathy for your plight, as 'bullying'? Is it just 'more' justified due to their gender, or are women not the sort of person that can be bullied, regardless of their behaviour?

You:

do you guys not recognise the treatment you subject any and all females who visit this sub, some of whom express sympathy for your plight, as 'bullying'?

Also you:

Christ, it's such a relief that you will never breed

I don't count retaliation against someone bullying a teenage girl for the audacity of having had five relationships bullying. This is what I'm so fascinated at - you guys go on about bullying, but feel it's totally fine to try to run someone in the ground who hasn't done you any harm. Do you not distinguish between justified and unjustified personal attacks?

I don't count retaliation against someone bullying a teenage girl for the audacity of having had five relationships bullying.

"It's okay when I do it", gotcha.

you guys go on about bullying, but feel it's totally fine to try to run someone in the ground who hasn't done you any harm

The thing is, I and a lot of other people here do the former, but not the latter. Yet you waltz in here as though that's everyone, in this case yapping off at me and r4r as though we do that.

Even then, the people on the sub largely want to be left alone, with any "sympathy" given from outsiders appearing as condescending and shallow.

No, it's okay if it's justified retaliation. If a dumb jockesque guy came on here and started mocking you for being 'dweeb virgins' and you ripped into him in response, fair enough, good on you. There's a big difference between that and those of you who tear into people with intense vitriol purely because they admit to being female without actually attacking you, which I see a lot of.

Sure, it's not all of you, but you gotta see that it's no accident that people have that perception right? And if you want us all to fuck off, fair enough, but this is a public forum and there are private ones out there you could stick to. And if a public space is occupied largely by those who identify as victims but want to make victims out of others, you gotta expect some flak in response.

it's justified retaliation.

You mean like the reactions to outsiders might sometimes be justified retaliations for the things said outsiders said and did as well?

There's a big difference between that and those of you who tear into people with intense vitriol purely because they admit to being female without actually attacking you

Who would've thought that chronically socially rejected people are hostile to people not suffering from the same issues coming in to condescend and invalidate peoples experiences.

but you gotta see that it's no accident that people have that perception right?

Considering y'all take that perception and seem to apply it to everyone present, even if they don't engage in that sort of behavior, as you just did earlier, bite me.

but this is a public forum and there are private ones out there you could stick to.

And if a public space is occupied largely by those who identify as victims but want to make victims out of others, you gotta expect some flak in response.

"If you don't want to be bullied, don't come to school." Gotcha.

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The thing is that I've seen people who didn't come here to invalidate your experiences, who recognised that you have a genuine grievance. If it's a guy, sometimes they get accepted and his recognition is appreciated, but if it's a woman, she's abused no matter how empathetic and how hard she tries to be understanding. Sure it's not all of you, but since you seemingly stand against people being dicks to one another given how you object to the way society treats you and don't accept it as fine, why not tell those people to redirect their frustration to the genuine bullies? There are a lot of normies who are complete cunts to incels purely for being incels which is wrong, but there are many more who could recognise you do in fact get a bad deal if only you'd self police the misogyny a bit more.

but if it's a woman, she's abused no matter how empathetic and how hard she tries to be understanding

There have been exceptions to that, the user Yeahso_no comes to mind immediately.

why not tell those people to redirect their frustration to the genuine bullies?

It doesn't matter if it's directed at those. Look at some of the users coming in from IncelTears, they're smug enough to the point where they don't give a soletary fuck about any sort of criticism leveled at them as long as it comes from someone here/someone defending this sub because they deem the opinions held by people here as beneath them in my experience. Directing frustration at those types of users does nothing but spur them on because they get their kicks either way.

but there are many more who could recognise you do in fact get a bad deal if only you'd self police the misogyny a bit more.

And there's the crux. What then? The point of the blackpill imo is, all memes aside, to come to terms with being unfit for relationships if one is truly unnattractive, because there's nothing to be done outside of measures that would impose on the personal freedom of every person everywhere to date who they want. Sympathy, especially over the internet, does nothing to fix the issue either. Being left alone sounds preferrable over both the shitflinging from condescending asswipes and essentially empty sentiments from those who aren't affected, no matter how well intentioned.

In the end, it's a toxic cycle of attention seeking assholes on both sides ruining the chances of reasonable exchange for everyone by poisoning the well on both sides (Asshats on IncelTears pushing even reasonable incels away due to the guilt-by-association stance those folks seem to have towards incels as a whole, and the vile users of this sub giving normies all the reasons they need to dislike incels). Fixing that, in my experience, is fucking impossible.

Let me lay it like this:

-we tell multiple people, women and non-incel men to leave us alone

-those outsiders smugly refuse and continue to be unhelpful by spamming the same platitudes over and over, even shaming the non-hateful incels.

Also...

do you guys not recognise the treatment you subject any and all females who visit this sub, some of whom express sympathy for your plight, as 'bullying'?

They are choosing to come here, knowing damn well that most of this community is angry and bitter, and can even say mean things to each other over the simplest disagreements. 'bullying' is hardly accurate because this place constantly gets brigaded anytime some idiot on the front page subreddit links this place. It has never been the other way around. Not every female is blindly hated as long as they know how to talk to the people here. Also, the non-incel men also get flack too so it's not like it's only women getting flack.

or are women not the sort of person that can be bullied, regardless of their behaviour?

There's usually someone defending a women poster, and then it immediately turns into shaming incels(they are quickly downvoted). We get slammed on our own 'turf.'

Thanks for the reasonable response. I understand the feeling that this is your space which is constantly besieged by (mostly hostile) outsiders and the frustration that it might cause. However, I have only checked this place out from a couple of days ago and have already witnessed some women come here and, admittedly perhaps naively, get absolutely ripped apart for no other reason but that she's a female. I get that you guys (falsely) think women have it easy in every respect because they don't find it so difficult to get partners, so don't see women as fellow victims in a larger injustice you share in. But still, surely as people who have been on the wrong end of treatment from others you might have a little empathy? Even if just for PRs sake? I came here because I used to have trouble with my confidence in women which translated to a long dry patch which put me in a very dark frame of mind so was interested by the community, but the kinda abuse that is dished out by some (not all) of you makes it really hard to maintain sympathy...

However, I have only checked this place out from a couple of days ago and have already witnessed some women come here and, admittedly perhaps naively, get absolutely ripped apart for no other reason but that she's a female. I get that you guys (falsely) think women have it easy in every respect because they don't find it so difficult to get partners, so don't see women as fellow victims in a larger injustice you share in. But still, surely as people who have been on the wrong end of treatment from others you might have a little empathy?

For some people here, it's really hard to give empathy back when most outsiders come in and provoke the more agitated users in the first place. People are constantly denied their experiences and even some of the more sane incels get crapped on too(which is why they don't post as much), so they feel more provoked and likely to respond in disrespect.

What you've seen in a few days is not accurate. Maybe give this place a month if you can stomach the angry sounding outbursts?

Yeah, I suppose like any community the worst elements often get the most airtime from the outside looking in (look at the feminist movement for instance). And I can see how this will be magnified by onlookers putting you under scrutiny after the recent incel-related terror attacks.

I just feel if I were in your shoes and some of those who I share an identity with were being so guilty of the sort of shittiness I was used to being subjected to, I'd try my best to challenge them. I don't agree with the lingo or hatred of that is normalised here, but I do think you have a genuine grievance that could do with being socially recognised. The thing is to get some kinda recognition of that, you gotta help make sure the message isn't tainted by people who you know would be exactly as awful as the worst notions of cruel women if they'd been born female.

Feeemales

The thing is to get some kinda recognition of that, you gotta help make sure the message isn't tainted by people who you know would be exactly as awful as the worst notions of cruel women if they'd been born female.

This is where the numbers game mogs me. Personally I'd rather be left alone than pursuit that kind or recognition. I've had too much wasted effort in my life.

I can understand that, and realistically society will take a while to recognise it as issue, if it ever does. Just know that not every outsider, male or female, is as hateful or naive as the people who come here to attack you or deny your experience. It's just seeing people spew such bile against women does set us off on the wrong foot, and most will lash back out in retaliation when they and/or their loved ones are insulted so badly by a group.

That’s fucking hilarious phahaha

What a fucking loser lmao

Lol. I just came to observe, not judge. Sends a message calling you a pathetic human being. Dumbass needs a dictionary.

We are literally zoo animals

they should pay us $1 for every visit

That is not a normie

Resistors are prokaryotes

tbh if you post on mgtow you should see a therapist

kek imagine wasting your time doing that

so she's drawn to guys with great personalities

Shit like this is why I think I'll remain an incel forever (mentally). The normie thought process is infuriating.

You guys do this to yourselves, Why not try to branch out?

Pointing fingers facetiously doesn't make your point less worthless.

Note to self: subscribe to MDE and foster incel-Sam Hyde alliance.

As a normie that likes to lurk this sub (I usually don't comment because its not my sub) I went to milliondollarextreme and MGTOW just to see what they were about, and there was much racism and sexism, but I don't see it here. I think you guys are okay.

How can you do that, and then send that message, and still believe in your head that you're a well-balanced, decent, successful person?

By believing that the people whom he/she is talking to won't take it seriously -- just as he/she can't imagine taking incels' problems seriously. It's a lack of empathy. He/she doesn't understand how much other people have suffered and are suffering.

Because he believes that we are less than human. In his mind, this justifies his behavior.

Exactly this. It's because he enjoys being a massive cunt to people who he thinks are much lower than him, and it makes him feel better about himself by saying "Hey, at least I'm not this piece of shit!"

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Is this Ellen Pao?

This is so fucking pathetic lmao.

He adjusted his glasses and scratched his neckbeard in a self soothing manner after typing that drivel, thinking that he was actually an important human being instead of the steaming pile of dogshit that he really is.

If you tell the subject you are observing that you are observing it you will alter it's behaviour. He's failing even at his own retarded premise.

lol what fucking losers. don't they have anything better to do?

No one does this to Normans and their tepid, mild accounts full of conventional opinions and standard inoffensive comments. There is nothing interesting about them. For all the vitriol people spew at you guys, at least you are fascinating

Why not post his name ?

Just checked your profile and although you're on Braincels, I couldn't find a single outstanding sexist/racist thing you have posted or said. Most of what you post is just blackpill evidence. That normie is a complete retard

False-concern virtue signaling? Check.

Multiple statements that they aren't "judging" you? Check.

Undertones of morbid curiosity? Check.

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r/cults is discussing incels wondering if it could become a cult in the future.

I definitely think it could. This would be a great place to recruit cult members. The best cult members are the depressed, low status, people forgotten/rejected by society, and people desperate for something. Pick up artists can recruit incels that aren't blackpilled, but they'll never trick a blackpilled incel. Recruiting blackpilled incels would require pushing for pure monogamy and the destruction of hypergamy at a societal level.

if it's a religion based on facts is it really a cult

like what if we had scientific proof jesus was real and did miracles and his dad was god and exists. Would we call Christianity a religion still, I'd call it fucking science.

You can be the first member of my new cult called "the church of the black pill". It will only cost 5 bucks a month and it'll get you laid. The teachings start off with basic science, but then I'll let you in on my secret voodoo once you pay enough. Does that sound go to y'all?

That this idiot called you pathetic and then purports to not judge people the very next sentence sums up normies and their hypocrisy. Fuck them. That this person actually took the time to write this is sadder than anything I've seen on this site. Fuck them.

Suddenly I feel a little less like a loser.

Ineed to check out this million dollar reddit

Doesn't like to judge

Sends a judgmental PM

Seems legit.

Imagine being this much of a loser