No it's not dude. I saw those pics, you're pretty attractive regardless of height.
Yes, racists get laid. Usually by other racists. But your entire attitude about this is why you're not getting laid. Plenty of people shorter, fatter, uglier, more "ethnic" as you said, and with less money still manage to get laid.
You know how? By treating women like human beings rather than just things that you can get laid with.
Only someone that can't understand women are complex human beings like everyone else would think that.
Most women who will willingly sleep with someone that holds those views will do so because they're comfortable with those views. Same as most men. Except you people, of course. You'll take anything you can get, won't you?
You just see them as objects to be earned. That's why you can't get laid. You see this as a game with women as objectives to conquer and you're terrible at the game. Because a woman to you isn't a person, she's a trophy.
It's not a game to be won. That's not how real life works and the sooner you accept that the sooner you'll stop being a pathetic incel.
I bet you could do a poll and most women have probably slept with someone who has or had racist views, they just overlooked it or "didn't know" at the time.
You're putting words into my mouth that I never said. You've probably been here for all of a couple hours, yet you're going to act like you know how every incel functions? Whatever dude.
Your entire "incel" philosophy is based around seeing women as objects that you can't attain. You are the cause of your own misery and the fact that you people encourage each others shitty beliefs only makes it worse.
It's not like I only learned of your existence a few minutes ago. You incels have been infamous around reddit for years. We've all come in here and your other pity party subs over the years to watch you whine and cry about things that are your own fault.
Maybe you should try being a decent human being before holding such moronic beliefs about women.
If you think that women have the same ideas of what "ugly" is then yes, that is a moronic view. If you think you're getting turned down because they're picky about your looks rather than your garbage personality then yes, that is a moronic view.
The incel culture is fundamentally a moronic view. You're reinforcing your own terrible ideas by being around others who believe this. You are the cause of your own celibacy. It's not involuntary, you're just too much of a coward to change the things about your attitude that turn people off.
I’m incel because I’m unattractive, that’s all. You don’t know me IRL, you don’t know anything about me, so how exactly are you able to determine what my personality is? The answer is you can’t, so keep assuming, you’re going to think what you want to and I can’t change that.
The way you look at women as objects is what's unattractive about you. Even the ugliest motherfuckers still get laid because they're not a bunch of pathetic misogynists crying about their own failures at being decent human beings.
Shallow people exist, that's nothing new. But it sounds like you guys are the shallow ones. Rather than work on yourselves you'd rather throw a pity party and focus on nothing but looks. Work on yourself and be the person you'd want to hang out with. If you think you'd hang out with the person you are, then i'm sure someone else will too. Respect yourself, respect others. Analyze your actions and think about how you'd react if someone treated you the way you treated someone else. If you don't like it, change it dude. Women love a guy who can engage with them, who can talk to them, make them laugh if you think you're too ugly if you're gonna be caught up on appearances. Work on yourself and be happy with yourself before you want someone else in your life and you'll be happier for it.
I know plenty of "ugly" people who are in relationships and who engage in sex.
Honestly considering how much you people hang on to the term "ugly" it makes me think you all have severely low confidence and self-worth. Maybe stop focusing on being an incel or finding a partner/sexual relationship and start focusing on making yourself happy with who you are and how you look? Seek therapy, get fit, eat healthy, do stuff for you and no one but you (besides staying indoors all day and playing video games). Clean up your homes, find a group hobby, learn a skill, volunteer, take a class. Do something to give yourself meaning, and that drive will automatically make you more attractive to the opposite sex. And for god sakes, get off the internet for a while. It's doing you absolutely no good.
Start with working out and eating well, and actually commit to it. Do bodyweight/calisthenic/sports exercises 3 times a week every week. Eat 3 square meals a day, cut out the junk food and soda and booze. Get a solid 8 hours of sleep every night. Your skin will clear up, you'll start noticing a difference in your body in just a few days, you'll stand up straight and your chest will stick out and you will just automatically feel more confident, I GUARANTEE IT. Unless you have some kind of medical problem, your brain will feel better just because you're working out. It's hard to get started, but that's the hardest part. The second hardest part is maintaining it. Do stuff outdoors, get a tan, and I promise you people will see the difference.
The biggest thing, however, is to stop making your lives all about getting a relationship. That's literally the hardest way to find someone. People can tell when someone is trying too hard. Work on yourself first. No one wants to be with someone who lacks confidence or self worth. Sure, shallow people exist, men AND women AND everyone in between. But if you let that stop you from being the best version of yourself then you're giving someone else power over you. The only person who should have power over you is YOU.
He's going based off of how you're talking about women, how can you manage to have so little self awareness? Let's say it is because you think you're unattractive, what are you going to do about it? Sit and mope about it? If you think you're unattractive, work out. That will do loads to your self confidence and women like a guy with self confidence. You don't have to be super attractive to get women, you just have to know how to talk to women, you have to know how to show respect so you can get the same back. If you really think you're then just be funny, use your voice dude. Do you really think the population is filled with super attractive guys? And that average/unattractive guys can never get a girlfriend? When you look in the mirror, you should look at the person that you are on the inside and think about whether you think you'd hang out with the person you are. If not, then work on your social skills man.
He's going based off of how you're talking about women, how can you manage to have so little self awareness?
Because it doesn't matter how he talks about women. Plenty of misogynists get women.
Let's say it is because you think you're unattractive, what are you going to do about it? Sit and mope about it? If you think you're unattractive, work out.
Ah yes, working out can totally make him grow taller and fix his facial bone structure. Totally. This advice only works for women, not men. Ass too small? Do squats. Getting a bit of a belly? Do cardio.
Muscles on an ugly man don't change anything.
If this guy is fat (in which case he was already a volcel), then sure he could lose weight. Still won't change much if he's too short and his face is too ugly.
That will do loads to your self confidence and women like a guy with self confidence.
A confident ugly man is known as a "creep". Women like attractive men with self confidence.
You don't have to be super attractive to get women, you just have to know how to talk to women, you have to know how to show respect so you can get the same back.
Lmaooo naw you have to atleast be average attractiveness to even speak to a woman. Otherwise you get death glares and she walks away Lmaooo do normies really think attractive men "know how to talk" to women? They just say shit and women think it's a romance novel, because he's hot.
If you really think you're then just be funny, use your voice dude.
Just be funny bro. Women find attractive men funny, not funny men attractive. To women, it seems like funny men are all attractive, but it's only because they only find attractive men funny.
Do you really think the population is filled with super attractive guys?
No, considering women only find 20 percent of men to be super attractive. But they also only chase after that small percentage.
And that average/unattractive guys can never get a girlfriend?
Oh we know women settle for average guys (not ugly guys) after they're done screwing a bunch of hot guys and couldn't pin one of them down.
When you look in the mirror, you should look at the person that you are on the inside and think about whether you think you'd hang out with the person you are.
My friends seem cool with me, I'm cool with me, I'm sure the same goes for the guy you're responding to as well. Women don't care about the inside, they care about the outside. Otherwise, no abuser would ever have been able to start a relationship with a woman (inb4: durrrr akshually abusers hide their evil personality!!! <- If you're going to say this, that means you believe women don't actually see what's on the inside, they see what you show them of what's on the inside, so therefore personality isn't a problem if you just show them a different personality)
If not, then work on your social skills man.
do you think we're all basement dwellers or autists?
Have you tried tinder and talked to fat girls? If you try to have a conversation and say interesting things you'll get a relationship quick. You start to mention Trump or say racists shit and most girls will run. A lot of younger girls are heavy into Bernie Sanders so they'll think you're an uncaring prick that wouldn't be worth their time. This especially if you're in a big city. If you're in rural area women are desperate to get married to a guy with a job and an interesting hobby. Take some fucking yoga or paint s picture. As long as you have something you enjoy and can talk about. Fuck a cute fat girl and have her sit on your face you pussy. When that THICC ass is on your face you'll not give two shits about anything anymore. Tell women you're looking for marriage and smile you sad sack of shit.
Let me tell you something about men you don't know. Love IS a fucking drug. When you meet a nice girl she becomes 10x hotter then the porn star. I dated a 10/10 before but the 5/10 girl I dated felt like an 11 and I still dream about her ugly while in bed with much hotter girls. I'd give anything to be with that chubby chick and I don't date chubby girls anymore. Girls want to have fun and enjoy what limited time they have on this planet like everyone else. They don't give two shits about having kids because of fucking brown people. Holy fuck. They want to watch Disney movies and play Legos like they did when they were kids. You being hateful isn't fun. "Asshole" dudes will at least go out and grab drinks with a girl and talk to her about something interesting like baseball or things their friends did. You sound like you're 12 not 29. Grow up
...is exactly what Roman citizens shortly before the Fall of the late Roman Empire in an era full of hedonism, sexual and moral degeneracy thought. And then society finally got their shit together, burned all the degenerates, honored god and human decency and we got the great medieval times.
"anything we recognize as medieval" talking specificay about the societies with knights and chivalry, this did not begin immediately after the fall of Rome.
You're demotivated, you're socially inept, your hygiene is sub-par, and you're more interested in your lolis than in actual women.
I've seen the ugliest, fatest dudes have girlfriends. The difference is that they tried. Incels don't try. They're a bunch of little bitches who claim social anxiety to hide their cowardice.
No one likes rejection. Everyone fears rejection. It's an inherent trait in humans. And yet loads of people have loads of girlfriends and sex. Why is that? Because they deal with that fear.
First of all, projections.
Second of all, /u/Cybugger - because those people get lucky. Or they are attractive (which means they lucked out in the genetics department).
And third, of course, those mysterious "ugly" people that get laid all the time. It's not like women use those ugly people as cash machines with rare exceptions.
I am not an incel. I do not need to think of women as vessels for my cum, and demand the government gifts them to me.
I'm not a particularly attractive man. I'm tall, but I'm not the best looking guy out there. But I've worked on myself. Gaining skills. Going to the gym. Being hygenic. And developing a personality.
because those people get lucky. Or they are attractive (which means they lucked out in the genetics department).
That's the talk of a defeatist who would much prefer to just circlejerk themselves off with their other equally pathetic and pitiful jerk-offs.
People are not born with social skills. They are learnt. It is never too late to learn. Will it hurt? Yes. Will you be met with rejection? Yes. Will you sometimes want to give up? Yes.
But what's the other option, exactly?
No, we're not going to force women to have sex with you. That's not happening. So you have two options:
Actually improve yourselves and stop acting like anyone owes you anything just for existing (pro-tip: they don't).
Stop whining about it, and accept your fate because you refuse to do anything about it.
And third, of course, those mysterious "ugly" people that get laid all the time. It's not like women use those ugly people as cash machines with rare exceptions.
And then you wonder why you're incels?
You see another complex human being and boil them down to:
Sex.
Goldiggers
Have you ever tried treating women like... you know... human beings? Not pretty princesses that want spineless men that throw themselves on puddles for m'lady, to avoid her shoes getting wet. Not sluts that just want chad's cum. And not like fucking goldiggers.
I am not an incel. I do not need to think of women as vessels for my cum, and demand the government gifts them to me.
I'm not sure why the ordinary people took this edgy meme seriously but okay, glad to hear you don't see women as "vessels for your cum".
I'm not a particularly attractive man. I'm tall, but I'm not the best looking guy out there. But I've worked on myself. Gaining skills. Going to the gym. Being hygenic. And developing a personality.
Projections again. At least two of the things you've mentioned aren't as mastered as you'd like me to think, purely because you've decided to flaunt them around. With exception of people with actual mental problems, who do you think doesn't practice any reasonable degree of hygiene these days? Do you realize that you speak in memes? Being lonely and unwanted doesn't automatically mean you don't shower and at least marginally care how you look.
That's the talk of a defeatist who would much prefer to just circlejerk themselves off with their other equally pathetic and pitiful jerk-offs.
While the circlejerk is Internet lingo, you've twice mentioned anything related to masturbation? Have you had any sex recently? I mean, these things - they show.
No, we're not going to force women to have sex with you.
You've got one hell of a strawman, dude, keep going. Come get your normie friends to kiss your ass about how enlightened you are.
Actually improve yourselves and stop acting like anyone owes you anything just for existing (pro-tip: they don't).
Stop whining about it, and accept your fate because you refuse to do anything about it.
In line with your jerking metaphors, you just masturbated all over this text with righteous indignation.
And then you wonder why you're incels?
No, we don't wonder.
Have you ever tried treating women like... you know... human beings? Not pretty princesses that want spineless men that throw themselves on puddles for m'lady, to avoid her shoes getting wet. Not sluts that just want chad's cum. And not like fucking goldiggers.
But actual people. Like you.
Yeah, and then we got all stereotyped as dirty smelly fucking virgins. Life's a bitch eh, you're told to shut up while being shouted over (example: you with you indignatory mental masturbation).
So why extend the courtesy of viewing someone as a complex being if all you're being viewed as is a one-dimensional caricature?
I'm not sure why the ordinary people took this edgy meme seriously but okay, glad to hear you don't see women as "vessels for your cum".
Well, seeing Elliot Rogers, his ilk, and what used to be on the /r/incels subreddit...
Yeah.
With exception of people with actual mental problems, who do you think doesn't practice any reasonable degree of hygiene these days?
As someone who went to a STEM college, a surprising amount of people. Not the majority, obviously. A minority. But a non-negligible minority.
Being lonely and unwanted doesn't automatically mean you don't shower and at least marginally care how you look.
If this doesn't cover you, then great for you.
Work on the other stuff, instead of the hygiene part.
While the circlejerk is Internet lingo, you've twice mentioned anything related to masturbation? Have you had any sex recently? I mean, these things - they show.
Saturday, actually.
And it's a saying. Not to be taken literally.
You've got one hell of a strawman, dude, keep going. Come get your normie friends to kiss your ass about how enlightened you are.
Multiple incel areas have talked about women as, essentially, sex slaves.
Including the OP in this comment thread. What do you think he meant by patriarchal society like before?
A time where marital rape wasn't a thing. A time where women had little to no choice about who they spent their lives with, and no recourse in the cases where shit hit the fan.
Do you realize what OP was even saying?
In line with your jerking metaphors, you just masturbated all over this text with righteous indignation.
I'm not indignant.
It's actual advice.
If you don't like it, tough luck I guess. Keep wallowing in self-pity.
No, we don't wonder.
If you know the reasons for it, and it bothers you... how about doing something about it?
So why extend the courtesy of viewing someone as a complex being if all you're being viewed as is a one-dimensional caricature?
First off: I didn't stereotype you all as dirty smelly virgins. It's one point that seems to have really triggered you, though.
Secondly: Because you're complaining about your lot in life.
If you're complaining about something, you have to do something about it.
Society isn't going to bend to your whims. People aren't going to do shit for you because you think you deserve it.
By all means: continue to not extend that courtesy. But don't expect anything from those people in return.
Well, seeing Elliot Rogers, his ilk, and what used to be on the /r/incels subreddit...
Roger wasn't even a frequent of /r/incels, he was a member of sluthate. Similar communities but there are differences.
As someone who went to a STEM college, a surprising amount of people. Not the majority, obviously. A minority. But a non-negligible minority.
That gives you the permission to stereotype people? You're seeing an amorphous collective of people who are only tentatively connected and you've decided to apply the characteristics of people you saw in a college where you study(studied?) Why? Based on what?
Saturday, actually.
And it's a saying. Not to be taken literally.
I wasn't. I just found it amusing that you used the same-rooted words in the same sentence twice.
Multiple incel areas have talked about women as, essentially, sex slaves.
Including the OP in this comment thread. What do you think he meant by patriarchal society like before?
A time where marital rape wasn't a thing. A time where women had little to no choice about who they spent their lives with, and no recourse in the cases where shit hit the fan.
You realize there's a difference between being in a patriarchal society and being a sex slave, right? I know you said that for dramatic purposes but come on. I advocate for neither.
If this doesn't cover you, then great for you.
Work on the other stuff, instead of the hygiene part.
Gee, how about you stop generalizing people, instead of telling me what to do, mmm? I didn't ask for your advice either.
I'm not indignant.
It's actual advice.
If you don't like it, tough luck I guess. Keep wallowing in self-pity.
No, that's not advice. That's a meaningless phrase designed for a quick grandstanding fix. And by the way, give advice when asked for. Thanks.
If you know the reasons for it, and it bothers you... how about doing something about it?
I do, to the best of my abilities. But I get frustrated along the way. Therapy is expensive and I don't have the money for it right now and no, I'm not going to shut up. The society offers me no valuable alternative to deal with my emotions, so I'm taking the solution into my own hands. If you don't like the outcome - sorry but you're SOL.
First off: I didn't stereotype you all as dirty smelly virgins. It's one point that seems to have really triggered you, though.
something something sub-par hygiene? Heck, you're talking about the reaffirmation of your preconceived notion about socially unlucky people. But no, you don't stereotype us at all. If you insult people long enough they'll eventually be annoyed by anything that even remotely resembles the insult.
I don't stereotype all women as golddiggers. It's one point that really triggers roasties though.
If you're complaining about something, you have to do something about it.
I'm doing things about it. If you don't like me complaining here - well sorry, you're shit out of luck, because this is my space, not yours. You're not forced to read our complaints at gunpoint and I personally don't come to /r/destiny and complaint about somebody, say, whining about the practices of the company that made the game, while not playing the game at all.
Society isn't going to bend to your whims. People aren't going to do shit for you because you think you deserve it.
I'd conjecture that many people here never expected the society to bend to our desires. It's just they're annoyed that it bent itself to women.
By all means: continue to not extend that courtesy. But don't expect anything from those people in return.
We ain't Jesus and we practice what we preach. If somebody hits on the cheek we're not going to give another.
That gives you the permission to stereotype people?
What are you on about?
The points I brought up about lacking skills, suffering from social ineptitude are not stereotypes. They are the truth.
They are evident all over this board, and in others that have been nuked in the past, like /r/incels.
You're seeing an amorphous collective of people who are only tentatively connected and you've decided to apply the characteristics of people you saw in a college where you study(studied?) Why? Based on what?
Because there are traits inherent to all incel communities I've seen, and they are what make people incels in the first place.
Low self-esteem, lack of social aptitude, a sense of entitlement to sex or amorous feelings, etc...
Incels are linked together via a set of characteristics. The very existence of communities of incels and subreddits is proof of this.
If every incel was a unique snowflake, then there would be no overlap within communities.
You realize there's a difference between being in a patriarchal society and being a sex slave, right? I know you said that for dramatic purposes but come on. I advocate for neither.
Then what patriarchal society is OP referring to?
One were beaten women can't come forward because the abuser was their husband, as was the case until not very long ago?
Was it a society where women were auctioned off for dowries, as is the case in certain modern patriarchal societies?
Gee, how about you stop generalizing people, instead of telling me what to do, mmm? I didn't ask for your advice either.
Then all you are responding to me for is to continue to wallow in self-pity.
Which is fine, if that's your schtick. But don't expect any pity from me, or most of society. People aren't "telling you what to do".
They're giving you legitimate advice.
People become more attractive by learning skills, whether they're socially based or not. And that's what I am suggesting. Make a change in your life that makes you happier.
No, that's not advice. That's a meaningless phrase designed for a quick grandstanding fix. And by the way, give advice when asked for. Thanks.
Defining everyone's advice as grandstanding is the coward's way out.
The problem is you.
Not society. If society works for the vast majority of men, who find women to love, care for, etc.. and have that love and care reciprocated, and you can't, what's more likely?
All of those men are being duped, or you're doing something wrong?
Admitting that the source of the issue takes courage, and courage is not what you're displaying.
And I'll give advice when I feel like it.
My goal isn't to demean for the sake of demeaning. It's to get a kick, a reaction, a positive change. I don't want people to be incels. It sounds like shit.
But I'm not going to pity you, because I don't pity people who suffer from self-inflicted wounds.
I do, to the best of my abilities. But I get frustrated along the way.
Of course you do. It's normal. Everyone gets frustrated, and I can only imagine that frustration continually building. I understand that.
Therapy is expensive and I don't have the money for it right now and no, I'm not going to shut up.
Therapy is indeed very helpful, and I applaud you for thinking it's a possibility when you do get some extra cash.
But you can also take productive steps in your own life, outside of a therapeutic situation.
Therapy will only work so long as you engage with it. If you start to engage prior to even going to therapy, chances are it will work. Therapy isn't a quick fix; you're going to have to take the same steps regardless.
The society offers me no valuable alternative to deal with my emotions, so I'm taking the solution into my own hands.
And what solution is that?
So far, I've not heard of any current solution. I've heard excuses. Some of which I don't doubt are entirely valid.
But they are still excuses.
Heck, you're talking about the reaffirmation of your preconceived notion about socially unlucky people.
Stop using the word "unlucky". It'll just reinforce the notion that you are the victim and society is the cause.
You are not unlucky. You just don't have the skills. Why you don't have them is irrelevant to your current plight. You know what you need to do, so you say, and therefore where to go.
No one is born with social skills. No one is born a sweat talking pussy magnet. That is learnt behavior. And you don't need to be a smooth talking pussy magnet to find emotional fulfillment. And yet by using the word "unlucky", you're essentially removing yourself and the role you can play in fixing the issue.
But no, you don't stereotype us at all. If you insult people long enough they'll eventually be annoyed by anything that even remotely resembles the insult.
I don't.
This really is a sticking point for you, isn't it?
Fine, I take it back. You don't have sub-par hygiene.
I'm doing things about it. If you don't like me complaining here - well sorry, you're shit out of luck, because this is my space, not yours.
Such as?
What examples do you have?
I'd conjecture that many people here never expected the society to bend to our desires. It's just they're annoyed that it bent itself to women.
But it hasn't.
Society isn't bent to feed women sex, or sexual power. Women want sex as much as men. Women can be pigs like men. Women are not these mythical beasts of sexual gatekeeping that abhor any but the purest of Chad genes.
We ain't Jesus and we practice what we preach. If somebody hits on the cheek we're not going to give another.
Then don't expect any positive results.
If you see women as goldiggers and sluts, then they'll treat you like an entitled pig. At which point you'll treat them even more like goldiggers and sluts, and then they'll despise you.
It depends what you want: a solution or just to wallow in your own filth.
The points I brought up about lacking skills, suffering from social ineptitude are not stereotypes. They are the truth.
Really? Many of us have jobs and some have successful careers as well. Last time I checked, only the professions like in the IT sector don't require people to keep at least marginal appearances. Which skills are you talking about, by the way? Social skills? Attractive people don't need to excessively hone their social skills, because the rest of the people will do that for them.
But that's beside the point. You are, again, generalizing people based only on text and your preconceived notions. You either are oblivious or you do it on purpose.
Low self-esteem, lack of social aptitude, a sense of entitlement to sex or amorous feelings, etc...
Please give me the definition of "entitlement". It really is a bit of a sticking point for me, because I keep seeing the narrative that we have a sense of "entitlement". It's probably because you and I have a different definition of it, so enlighten me, please, I'd really appreciate it.
If every incel was a unique snowflake, then there would be no overlap within communities.
Now that's just a disingenuous trick. When groups form, they have something in common, that's why they are groups. However, there's a fine line between stereotypy and "pointing out the similar traits of the group", the one you've crossed.
Then all you are responding to me for is to continue to wallow in self-pity.
Which is fine, if that's your schtick. But don't expect any pity from me, or most of society. People aren't "telling you what to do".
They're giving you legitimate advice.
I'm beginning to think there's a legitimate gap of understanding between us and "normal" people. That's probably the case. What you see as "wallowing in self-pity", we see as venting that allows us to continue functioning as productive members of society (or just functioning, if we're talking about NEETs).
I'd like to also point out that for the most part, what is being given out is not a legit advice by any means. First of all, it is given out often while not being asked for. Second of all, the "advice" that is being given out is often generalized, not accounting for circumstances of the current situation of the person it's being given to. That, in turn, leads to further frustration and alienation of the person, because that person considers others who give such advice at best as facetious and at worst - malicious.
People become more attractive by learning skills, whether they're socially based or not. And that's what I am suggesting. Make a change in your life that makes you happier.
Because I feel particularly jesty (and partly because I'd like to humour myself be anticipating your response and the following platitude), I'd like to ask: would learning Accounting make someone more attractive?
Defining everyone's advice as grandstanding is the coward's way out.
Because for the most part, as I've already mentioned above: most of the time the advice that is being given is often generalized and not taking into consideration circumstances of the person it's being given to. If you clearly care about the person, then get to know them first before giving any advice. If you don't care about the person, it's better for you to keep quiet, trust me. It makes you a much more honest and morally wholesome person.
Really? Many of us have jobs and some have successful careers as well. Last time I checked, only the professions like in the IT sector don't require people to keep at least marginal appearances. Which skills are you talking about, by the way? Social skills? Attractive people don't need to excessively hone their social skills, because the rest of the people will do that for them.
The skills in question can be anything, really. Learning to play an instrument. Having a hobby. Working out. Learning a new language. They can be new experiences. Essentially, anything that makes you interesting to talk to.
Attractive people don't need to excessively work on their social skills, but they do need to work on them. Being good looking may get you a lay now and then. But if your hole is one of lack of emotional closeness, being simply attractive isn't enough. If you're boring as fuck, and do nothing of note in your daily activities, then you're only good for a quick session.
But that's beside the point. You are, again, generalizing people based only on text and your preconceived notions. You either are oblivious or you do it on purpose.
So I'm wrong to generalize based on the text of what people are themselves saying?
Please give me the definition of "entitlement". It really is a bit of a sticking point for me, because I keep seeing the narrative that we have a sense of "entitlement". It's probably because you and I have a different definition of it, so enlighten me, please, I'd really appreciate it.
Thinking that you deserve companionship, whether that's in the form of sex or emotional bonds.
You don't. You need to work for it. No one deserves the time of another human being.
Now that's just a disingenuous trick. When groups form, they have something in common, that's why they are groups. However, there's a fine line between stereotypy and "pointing out the similar traits of the group", the one you've crossed.
I fully disagree. The stereotyping I have partaken in is with regards to what defines inceldom.
I haven't said you're all white, which is irrelevant to being an incel. Or that you're all in IT, which is also irrelevant.
I'm beginning to think there's a legitimate gap of understanding between us and "normal" people. That's probably the case. What you see as "wallowing in self-pity", we see as venting that allows us to continue functioning as productive members of society (or just functioning, if we're talking about NEETs).
And what form does that venting take?
I've perused various incel forums, and I know what form that venting takes. Memes, complaints about Chad, memes, complaints about cock carrousels, memes and that women have all the power as sexual gatekeepers.
First of all, it is given out often while not being asked for.
So you're just screaming into the ether.
Second of all, the "advice" that is being given out is often generalized, not accounting for circumstances of the current situation of the person it's being given to.
It is generalized, yes. Because, as you rightly point out, you cannot know everyone's personal stories.
But they are guidelines. Not TODO lists.
That, in turn, leads to further frustration and alienation of the person, because that person considers others who give such advice at best as facetious and at worst - malicious.
I see you as lazy, to be totally frank.
And slightly cowardly. You've let the very real and understandable fear of rejection fundamentally control your life to the point where it's having serious negative consequences on your every day living standards and psyche.
This very obviously bothers you, the loneliness. And it is understandable.
But the problem isn't society, or else this would be far more common than it is. It isn't women, or else this would be far more common than it is.
Because I feel particularly jesty (and partly because I'd like to humour myself be anticipating your response and the following platitude), I'd like to ask: would learning Accounting make someone more attractive?
To some people: YES. Not everyone. But some people will find the ambition itself interesting. Some people will be attracted to the idea of someone who studied something outside the reach of others. It's a more unique selling point.
Accounting obviously won't work on everyone; which again is why the advice seems to be so general. Because women are not a monolith. Certain things will work wonders on one woman, and won't on another.
If you clearly care about the person, then get to know them first before giving any advice.
Even if that was the case, and I got to know every single person in this subreddit, my responses would have some coherency. There would be things that would come back, time and time again.
Learn a skill, language, instrument, something that gives you an edge.
Get used to talking to more women, not with the intent of sleeping with them initially, but just getting more comfortable about them. This will take time, you'll get shot down and hurt, but you have no other choice but to pick yourself up and try again.
What works on woman A will not on woman B, and you must accept the pain that comes with rejection.
The skills in question can be anything, really. Learning to play an instrument. Having a hobby. Working out. Learning a new language. They can be new experiences. Essentially, anything that makes you interesting to talk to.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked, you need hobbies because you like them and not to make yourself interesting to the opposing sex. You're obviously of a different opinion, right? I mean, I do not presume you represent the entire collective of "normal" people but there seem to be a strange divide among them about why do you need hobbies. Some say that you need active hobbies, because people like active people, some say that you don't need to try so hard and that you should be genuine in what you're doing? What's your opinion on that?
So I'm wrong to generalize based on the text of what people are themselves saying?
Yes. What people say doesn't reflect what people do or how they behave, as paradoxical as it is.
Attractive people don't need to excessively work on their social skills, but they do need to work on them. Being good looking may get you a lay now and then. But if your hole is one of lack of emotional closeness, being simply attractive isn't enough. If you're boring as fuck, and do nothing of note in your daily activities, then you're only good for a quick session.
What if you get zero during your entire life? You don't know to which direction you're moving and all your life you're receiving mixed messages and your observations make you even more confused.
Considering that not all attractive people are psychopaths (which is obviously the truth, there are many kind and selfless attractive people), they are able to learn on their mistakes and actually improve themselves enough to get not just sex but emotional closeness (provided their partners don't want to do their job for them. I've seen so many times when their partners literally give everything they've got to stay with them. Considering these people being adulterers, cheaters and liars, I wonder what made people do the things they did).
But when you literally got nothing, how are you supposed to learn? You see all these people getting into relationships, appearing so natural and people you're trying to approach literally refuse to give you the time of day. No, nobody's entitled to anything but if one is to learn, one has to make mistakes, however, how can you make mistakes you're not even let to do anything meaningful?
Thinking that you deserve companionship, whether that's in the form of sex or emotional bonds.
You don't. You need to work for it. No one deserves the time of another human being.
I'd direct you to the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Do you consider people being entitled to food and shelter? It's not a false equivalence, if we consider people to be entitled to something and not entitled to other things, we're drawing an arbitrary line. Where's that line and where do you draw it?
I fully disagree. The stereotyping I have partaken in is with regards to what defines inceldom.
Last time I checked, you've made a stereotypization which fits the famous Internet stereotype of an unkempt neckbeard. That does not define inceldom.
And what form does that venting take?
I've perused various incel forums, and I know what form that venting takes. Memes, complaints about Chad, memes, complaints about cock carrousels, memes and that women have all the power as sexual gatekeepers.
Yes, basically. This is venting, to determine whether we mean it or not, you should talk to separate people, not indulge yourself in stereotypy.
So you're just screaming into the ether.
YES! How hard it is to understand that spaces like these are basically genuine lonely people screaming into the ether, because of they scream in RL, they might be misunderstood, to say the least.
It is generalized, yes. Because, as you rightly point out, you cannot know everyone's personal stories.
But they are guidelines. Not TODO lists.
Every problem requires a solution. If you're providing an advice, you're providing a TO DO list. The original meaning of the word, from which the word "advice" comes from is "to give judgement". If you're passing judgement, then you know the better way. If you imply that you know the better way, then you should be held accountable and provide the guidance for people who don't. Otherwise, what's the point of you giving and essentially saying "you should get better but I won't tell you how, it's up to you"? People can find that out without you.
I see you as lazy, to be totally frank.
And slightly cowardly. You've let the very real and understandable fear of rejection fundamentally control your life to the point where it's having serious negative consequences on your everyday living standards and psyche.
Excellent, you're passing the judgement without even knowin the circumstances of my life and where I come from. I'm sure you'd do just sweet should you spend a day in my shoes. Oh wait, everybody says that until I show them the extent of my circumstances then it's "I hope things get better for you". What use is your sympathy to me, when you've insinuated that you know better but now you're at the loss for words?
Also, care to expand on your judgement? You've analyzed all aspects of me and decided that I'm exactly lazy and cowardly, right? Here I'm actually interested in your opinion.
But the problem isn't society, or else this would be far more common than it is. It isn't women, or else this would be far more common than it is.
Are you talking about inceldom? Then yes. If we detach from this silly notion, then we'll see that problems with societal sexual dynamics are far more common than you'd like to admit. The difference is that some aspects of those problems became so normalized, they are considered a feature and not a bug.
Accounting obviously won't work on everyone; which again is why the advice seems to be so general. Because women are not a monolith. Certain things will work wonders on one woman, and won't on another.
It kind of folds into my question about hobbies above. Besides, this advice is often framed as an absolute truth without any shades of grey. Perhaps people who give it should be mindful when giving it? Because if we'd take a closer look at those people, we'd see that they have a lot of problems of their own and often they give this kind of advice to feel better about themselves.
Even if that was the case, and I got to know every single person in this subreddit, my responses would have some coherency. There would be things that would come back, time and time again.
Excatly, they would have much more coherency, because instead of giving a generalized advice about everything, you'd pinpoint specific problems about them. The different problem would be that they'd still be frustrated about failures and need an outlet to voice those frustrations. Considering how many of us have been or are socially stunted due to different circumstances of life (the ones, that obviously prevented us to become "normal"), something tells me we'd still be back to a place like this subreddit.
Learn a skill, language, instrument, something that gives you an edge.
My personal experience (experiences of people here also seem to echo that) is that learning stuff is giving you an edge in employment, not in romantic life.
I speak four languages and so far it hasn't given me any edge. I know some stuff and it also gave me zero edge in romantic life.
Get used to talking to more women, not with the intent of sleeping with them initially, but just getting more comfortable with them. This will take time, you'll get shot down and hurt, but you have no other choice but to pick yourself up and try again.
Befriending women gives you friends, not potential romantic partners. Tried by me as well. They are good friends (until they get partners and grow distant).
Please correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked, you need hobbies because you like them and not to make yourself interesting to the opposing sex. You're obviously of a different opinion, right? I mean, I do not presume you represent the entire collective of "normal" people but there seem to be a strange divide among them about why do you need hobbies. Some say that you need active hobbies, because people like active people, some say that you don't need to try so hard and that you should be genuine in what you're doing? What's your opinion on that?
No, not at all.
You don't discover hobbies with the goal of making yourself more attractive. But it's a side-effect.
If you spend most of your month only partaking in a single hobby, maybe also try and find something else you like?
You can do both. My hobbies are gaming, painting and collecting WH:40K, going to the gym and SCUBA diving. It's all over the shop. Some are not what would be considered traditionally "sexy" hobbies, but I couldn't give a fuck. And I didn't choose gym and SCUBA because I thought it would be "sexy", but because I enjoy them.
You can kill two birds with one stone. I'd say diversity of activities that you enjoy is important.
Yes. What people say doesn't reflect what people do or how they behave, as paradoxical as it is.
Totally disagree. Your words are a representation and manifestation of your mental state and beliefs.
I don't talk about stuff that I fundamentally don't agree with or don't adhere to. I take part in some shitposting, of course, but the vast majority of my posts are inspired and informed by my views.
What if you get zero during your entire life? You don't know to which direction you're moving and all your life you're receiving mixed messages and your observations make you even more confused.
Then work at it.
And yeah, it's confusing. But you can't let that confusion block you off or put you in a place of intense fear. Because then you should do more damage to yourself, you feed the confusion and fear, and it's a cycle that's much more difficult to break.
Considering that not all attractive people are psychopaths (which is obviously the truth, there are many kind and selfless attractive people), they are able to learn on their mistakes and actually improve themselves enough to get not just sex but emotional closeness (provided their partners don't want to do their job for them. I've seen so many times when their partners literally give everything they've got to stay with them. Considering these people being adulterers, cheaters and liars, I wonder what made people do the things they did).
They are not. And I'm not calling them psychopaths.
There's something far worse than being a psychopath: being boring.
And that's what most of the advice/guidelines are about. Being boring is a cardinal sin, and possibly the least attractive property anyone can have. In fact, it feeds into what I was saying above: find diversity in skills and hobbies.
Obviously, not everyone finds the same things boring, so no one can go into specifics.
But when you literally got nothing, how are you supposed to learn? You see all these people getting into relationships, appearing so natural and people you're trying to approach literally refuse to give you the time of day.
It only appears natural.
If I look back at my first relationships, and even stuff I've done in far more recent times, I could bury my head in the sand in terms of self-induced cringe.
Ridicule doesn't kill. But fear of ridicule can ruin your life.
No, nobody's entitled to anything but if one is to learn, one has to make mistakes, however, how can you make mistakes you're not even let to do anything meaningful?
If you're not having people come towards you, but you want companionship, then you have to go towards them.
Early courtship is a bit like sales. Sometimes, you have to really put yourself out there to get your product known on the market. There are loads of other products out there. And women do the exact same thing. If you go to a bar and see a woman with a nice dress, makeup and some high-heel shoes, she is doing that for herself but also to some degree for others. We are all trying to sell what we have.
It's why we buy the clothes we buy, the cars we own, the watches, shoes, whatever.
Do you consider people being entitled to food and shelter? It's not a false equivalence, if we consider people to be entitled to something and not entitled to other things, we're drawing an arbitrary line. Where's that line and where do you draw it?
The arbitrary line is where your needs cross into the land where they directly affect another human being and their desires and needs.
I understand the desire and need for companionship. However, you are not entitled to it. You cannot negatively or forcibly get another human being to feel that need.
Because a human being, contrarily to food or water, is a sentient being.
Last time I checked, you've made a stereotypization which fits the famous Internet stereotype of an unkempt neckbeard. That does not define inceldom.
Not at all. The neckbeard does not necessarily suffer from social anxiety or an inability to talk to women. Neckbeards tend to reject social norms, not suffer from what I mentioned before.
Yes, basically. This is venting, to determine whether we mean it or not, you should talk to separate people, not indulge yourself in stereotypy.
But venting is based in reality.
YES! How hard it is to understand that spaces like these are basically genuine lonely people screaming into the ether, because of they scream in RL, they might be misunderstood, to say the least.
Again: venting is never entirely devoid of real life significance.
Every problem requires a solution. If you're providing an advice, you're providing a TO DO list.
That is not possible due to the individual nature of not only the men to whom this advice is given, but also due to the individual nature of the women on the other side.
If you imply that you know the better way, then you should be held accountable and provide the guidance for people who don'
Again: the laziness.
I can't fix your problems. I can't come up with a TODO list to get the woman of your dreams. I can make general suggestions that would tend you towards a greater chance of success. But if you don't make the jump, the effort, do the work, then it's worthless.
And it also doesn't take into account that, again, what works for woman A will not work on woman B. These are general ideas and tendencies.
Otherwise, what's the point of you giving and essentially saying "you should get better but I won't tell you how, it's up to you"? People can find that out without you.
Because the general trends don't seem to be understood.
The general ideas about what tends to make someone more attractive than someone else doesn't seem to be understood.
It seems to be based in two camps:
Superficial beauty (which you can actually work at; Chris Hemsworth wouldn't be half as much of a stud muffin if he didn't work out like an absolute monster beast).
Cash flow (which you can actually work at, too).
But there's more to it than that.
Excellent, you're passing the judgement without even knowin the circumstances of my life and where I come from.
It was a rhetorical you. The incel you.
What use is your sympathy to me, when you've insinuated that you know better but now you're at the loss for words?
I've said before: I don't give sympathy.
You can get that from other incels. I'm not here to be an emotional balm. I'm explaining that the nature of your fundamental issue stems from you; namely, the answer to your issue can and will only be brought about by you. No one else.
Also, care to expand on your judgement? You've analyzed all aspects of me and decided that I'm exactly lazy and cowardly, right? Here I'm actually interested in your opinion.
The rhetorical you.
Why lazy?
First off, the arguments used about "lucky genes" and the like. How many really attractive men don't work out like fucking pigs? Name any man whose generally regarded as a hunk, and you'll end up with someone who goes to the gym 5, 6, 7 days a week. This is not luck. This is hard work. It's discipline.
But you see that and think: lucky. Again: rhetorical you.
And cowardly, because you fail to identify the underlying cause because it requires you to place the solution to your problems solely on you, preferring to aim bile at women for being gatekeepers.
then we'll see that problems with societal sexual dynamics are far more common than you'd like to admit.
But how can they be common or normalized if they are inherently not normal. The vast majority of men, by a staggering majority, are not incels.
My personal experience (experiences of people here also seem to echo that) is that learning stuff is giving you an edge in employment, not in romantic life.
And that is attractive to some people.
It isn't all; it won't turn you into a pussy magnet. But it's something to be proud of, and to use that pride to give yourself self-confidence.
Befriending women gives you friends, not potential romantic partners. Tried by me as well. They are good friends (until they get partners and grow distant).
I didn't say end it at that. But go at it little by little.
Be comfortable about women as friends.
Then try and meet other women, and try and be a bit more flirtatious. You'll get shot down, brutally sometimes, and you'll have to pick yourself back up.
I'm not saying go from stranger -> friends -> girlfriend. I'm saying get generally comfortable about women.
You don't discover hobbies with the goal of making yourself more attractive. But it's a side-effect.
So basically, find hobbies for people but don't find hobbies for people? Do you realize that this sounds rather...schizophrenic? It seems like you're accusing me of mental duplicity but you're partaking in it yourself.
If you spend most of your month only partaking in a single hobby, maybe also try and find something else you like?
I spend most of my month working 10 hours a day to make a living. I haven't had a vacation in three years, because there's always something that needs addressing and that requires money.
It leaves little room for any additional hobbies that I may find interesting because I'd simply have no money for them.
And yeah, your hobbies would never land you a romantic partner unless a rare matchup happens and approaching a hobby with an intent to "kill two birds with one stone" is silly, IMO and only sets you up for a fail.
Totally disagree. Your words are a representation and manifestation of your mental state and beliefs.
I don't talk about stuff that I fundamentally don't agree with or don't adhere to. I take part in some shitposting, of course, but the vast majority of my posts are inspired and informed by my views.
What you're doing is advocating for collective responsibility. If you agree with certain points made by a community which is famous for its' misogynistic beliefs, as long as those points are not misogynistic themselves, your association with that group doesn't make you a misogynist.
I understand the desire and need for companionship. However, you are not entitled to it. You cannot negatively or forcibly get another human being to feel that need.
Because a human being, contrarily to food or water, is a sentient being.
How do you delineate "desire" and "entitlement". Is the one you agree with "desire" and the other - "entitlement"? That would explain your shoddy reasoning.
Not at all. The neckbeard does not necessarily suffer from social anxiety or an inability to talk to women. Neckbeards tend to reject social norms, not suffer from what I mentioned before.
Again, your purposeful obtuseness doesn't make you cute.
That is not possible due to the individual nature of not only the men to whom this advice is given, but also due to the individual nature of the women on the other side.
If you cannot detailed advice, or at least provide some level of detail, then be quiet. Your opinion is worth zero and utterly unappreciated because there are millions like you, who are ready to spout the same kind of advice readily. Be above the crowd, why don't you?
I can't fix your problems. I can't come up with a TODO list to get the woman of your dreams. I can make general suggestions that would tend you towards a greater chance of success. But if you don't make the jump, the effort, do the work, then it's worthless.
And it also doesn't take into account that, again, what works for woman A will not work on woman B. These are general ideas and tendencies.
General ideas have been available on the Internet for people to be accessed since its' inception and in human oral knowledge since eternity. Another problem is that female sexuality is basically unrestricted in the West and those oral rules of the game have been rendered obsolete but again, as I often say in our conversation, that's beside the point.
To reiterate. If you can't provide a detailed solution to someone who can't fix their problems on their own, then you'd serve well not to provide any "advice" whatsoever.
Because the general trends don't seem to be understood.
At the core of understanding of the world by people here lies the staple of the Red Pill, which says that a rhetorical woman values only three things in her partner: Looks, money and status. Some go as far as to consider these factors the ONLY factors that make a woman select their partners but I consider those - primary requirements. If you meet at least one of those, then your personality can make any meaningful impact on your selection.
But there's more to it than that.
What's that?
It was a rhetorical you. The incel you.
Who's the cowardly now?
You can get that from other incels. I'm not here to be an emotional balm. I'm explaining that the nature of your fundamental issue stems from you; namely, the answer to your issue can and will only be brought about by you. No one else.
Listen, tough love dispenser, what makes you think that what you're saying is unique and actually meaningful? I'm genuinely curious, tehee. Majority of us are well aware of the nature of life and the Universe, we just have the nerve to complain about it.
First off, the arguments used about "lucky genes" and the like. How many really attractive men don't work out like fucking pigs? Name any man whose generally regarded as a hunk, and you'll end up with someone who goes to the gym 5, 6, 7 days a week. This is not luck. This is hard work. It's discipline.
We can argue about the genetic predisposition, environmental factors and nutrition one received during formative periods of life, which seprates an attractive person from a gymrat. Attractive people can be highly disciplined but the end result of their work would be a much more visible one compared to an unattractive person with a six-pack. It's better to be an unattractive person with a six-pack than without it though, sure.
And cowardly, because you fail to identify the underlying cause because it requires you to place the solution to your problems solely on you, preferring to aim bile at women for being gatekeepers.
First of all, are you a protector of women? If women are offended, they're free to venture to this place. Yes, they might get trashed but this is the Internet. If they want to argue their point, they need to be ready to argue their point without anyone coddling them. They can get coddling from the rest of humanity.
Second, some problems cannot be fixed. You literally cannot fix your genetic makeup, you can make the most of it but if you're a zero in the eyes of women, then you will remain a zero but with broad shoulders and swole arms. You cannot choose to literally ignore your ego, though, unless you're a masochist that enjoys pain as its' own reward. Any life experience for it to continue should have both successes and failures. If you only have failures, then many life experiences are usually discarded, because what use is non-existing self-esteem if you still want to achieve something besides companionship?
It isn't all; it won't turn you into a pussy magnet. But it's something to be proud of, and to use that pride to give yourself self-confidence.
In the field, you've chosen? Yes. But it won't translate into self-confidence in the outside world, because the majority of people are not into the field you've chosen, ergo your achievements mean nothing to them. This is also an erroneous approach, IMO.
Be comfortable about women as friends.
That implies that one doesn't have women as friends. We do, however that's all that they remain. If we try to approach women without knowing them, we're considered creeps. If we try to approach women we've befriended, we're usually considered as "trying to get into their pants".
You can't really win here, hence the nihilistic attitude.
We actually agree here, in case you haven't noticed here.
Not society. If society works for the vast majority of men, who find women to love, care for, etc.. and have that love and care reciprocated, and you can't, what's more likely?
I would like you to give me the definition of "working" in this case because blanket statements are good for dishonestly arguing your point but upon a closer examination, they worth shit.
All of those men are being duped, or you're doing something wrong?
Something wrong beyond being just unwanted? Yes, of course, but only after rejection after rejection after rejection. Being bitter doesn't come on its' own but yeah, obviously being bitter could totally be a choice, right?
And I'll give advice when I feel like it.
Don't expect to be praised for an advice many people think were faulty and uncalled for.
My goal isn't to demean for the sake of demeaning. It's to get a kick, a reaction, a positive change. I don't want people to be incels. It sounds like shit.
But you're still demeaning and it's achieving results but only not the results you're hoping for. Or maybe that's what you're aiming for, who knows.
But I'm not going to pity you, because I don't pity people who suffer from self-inflicted wounds.
First of all, I didn't ask for your pity. In fact, I wasn't reaching out to people like you for pity. You came here (well, okay, I pinged you but only because I found your message especially aggravating) and started assuming stuff.
Also,
because I don't pity people who suffer from self-inflicted wounds.
Of course you do. It's normal. Everyone gets frustrated, and I can only imagine that frustration continually building. I understand that.
Then what's your problem and people like you? You say you understand and at the same time you're asking people to shut up and not to express the raw emotion they have inside themselves. Care to explain what's up with that?
Therapy is indeed very helpful, and I applaud you for thinking it's a possibility when you do get some extra cash.
I didn't ask for your validation, you're not my friend and I'm not asking from you, so stop even marginally pretending that you're giving a crap beyond you puffing your chest showing off how virtuous you are.
Therapy will only work so long as you engage with it. If you start to engage prior to even going to therapy, chances are it will work. Therapy isn't a quick fix; you're going to have to take the same steps regardless.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Once again, banality to the rescue. Do you actually think I didn't know that without you?
And what solution is that?
I dump my raw emotions and commiserate about my failures with the people who can actually understand what I'm going through and don't insult my intelligence with bad faith advice and pretending that they actually care.
Stop using the word "unlucky". It'll just reinforce the notion that you are the victim and society is the cause.
First of all, I'm going to use any word I please. Second of all, you have inferred that I blame society. I don't, personally. You'd do best to stop generalizing people that engage with you, you're not going to go far with that kind of attitude. Which is kind of ironic, because you keep exhibiting banal and primitive biases that can be successfully corrected by you expanding your worldview, instead of being stuck being a narrow-minded buffoon that you are.
Third, everything in this world is bound to chance. Any of your actions directly influence the percentage of certain outcome happening but guarantee nothing. It's possible to do everything absolutely right and still fail. Something this society seems to be conveniently ignoring, when it comes down to incels. People are not born bitter, they become bitter. When you are removing outside influences that influence any action in the Universe, including someone's success at socialization and romantic life, you are invalidating people of their experience by placing the blame for everything on them.
Such as?
What examples do you have?
I would like to ask you if you are actually interested in what I am doing, because if that's a curiosity in order to poke the flaws in the argument and not connect, then I would rather not tell you, since it would serve no purpose but to give you a "gotcha" moment as in "diz iz y u incel".
We actually agree here, in case you haven't noticed here.
I have not.
You specifically said that society is bent towards benefiting women in this case. That is an act of separation from blame. You are putting the fault on society, not yourselves.
This is, sadly, horseshit.
I would like you to give me the definition of "working" in this case because blanket statements are good for dishonestly arguing your point but upon a closer examination, they worth shit.
How many men define themselves as incels, or attach themselves to the ideas of inceldom?
A tiny minority of men. "Working" in this case is for men who do find some sort of companionship that they find fulfilling, whether its sexual or emotional, that fulfills their needs.
Something wrong beyond being just unwanted? Yes, of course, but only after rejection after rejection after rejection. Being bitter doesn't come on its' own but yeah, obviously being bitter could totally be a choice, right?
I've been shot down more times than I can fucking count. I've been shot down multiple times in a night. I've been shot down by people for whom I'd developed strong emotional feelings. I've been cheated on. I've been left for my best friend a week after being dumped.
You seem to think you have some sort of monopoly on rejection, or bad experiences with women and relationships.
The only difference between an incel and a non-incel is that the latter got back up, dusted themselves off, and then charged into the breach again.
If that doesn't sound like something you want to do, fair play. I won't judge you. Go MGTOW.
But if the loneliness eats away at you, and hurts you, and stops you from enjoying life to its fullest, then brush yourself off, get back up, and charge in again.
There. Is. No. Other. Option.
Don't expect to be praised for an advice many people think were faulty and uncalled for.
I'm not asking for praise.
I posted this knowing full-well that it would be downvoted, and disputed. I have no issue with that.
But my advice still stands as general guidelines for anyone who wants to leave inceldom.
But you're still demeaning and it's achieving results but only not the results you're hoping for. Or maybe that's what you're aiming for, who knows.
Because coddling you and telling you that you're right, the world is so mean, that women are too picky, etc... is just flat out wrong.
That's why it's demeaning. Because the problem is you.
Then what's your problem and people like you? You say you understand and at the same time you're asking people to shut up and not to express the raw emotion they have inside themselves. Care to explain what's up with that?
When the raw emotion is then spewed back at you constantly, like in this subreddit, reinforcing damaging notions about women as a whole, then yeah... That's just feeding a neurosis that will actively hurt you get out of inceldom.
I didn't ask for your validation, you're not my friend and I'm not asking from you, so stop even marginally pretending that you're giving a crap beyond you puffing your chest showing off how virtuous you are.
I was being sincere.
But fuck you if you prefer? I don't know what tone you want me to use; I'll probably just get accused of giving cookie-cutter excuses, virtue signalling, and whatever the fuck else.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Once again, banality to the rescue. Do you actually think I didn't know that without you?
Then what are you waiting for?
Get off your ass and do something about it. Don't even respond to this comment.
Go. And. Do. Something. About. It.
You're like an obese person complaining about their weight while sitting down and shoveling food into their gaping maw.
I dump my raw emotions and commiserate about my failures with the people who can actually understand what I'm going through and don't insult my intelligence with bad faith advice and pretending that they actually care.
So it's venting. Nothing else. Nothing productive.
Just venting.
First of all, I'm going to use any word I please.
Fair enough; but it'll just continue to subconsciously remind you that you're the victim.
Second of all, you have inferred that I blame society. I don't, personally.
And:
I'd conjecture that many people here never expected the society to bend to our desires. It's just they're annoyed that it bent itself to women.
Would suggest that you're blaming society.
Third, everything in this world is bound to chance. Any of your actions directly influence the percentage of certain outcome happening but guarantee nothing. It's possible to do everything absolutely right and still fail.
Yes.
You can fail.
And?
Do you want to go and have a whimper over there in the corner? Accept failure? Or keep going?
People are not born bitter, they become bitter.
People are not born bitter, they let themselves become bitter.
See above: I've had plenty of reasons to become bitter and shut myself off from women and relationships. But I didn't, because I wanted emotional bonds with women. I
When you are removing outside influences that influence any action in the Universe, including someone's success at socialization and romantic life, you are invalidating people of their experience by placing the blame for everything on them.
I am not placing the blame for everything on them.
I even accepted: how you got into the situation you are currently is irrelevant.
The only thing that matters is: how do you get out of it. In the former statement, maybe you had shitty parents who didn't put you in an environment where you could learn basic social skills. Maybe you got rejected particularly hard multiple times. Maybe the girls you fell in love with were just dicks.
It's irrelevant why.
What's important is how do you fix it?
I would like to ask you if you are actually interested in what I am doing, because if that's a curiosity in order to poke the flaws in the argument and not connect, then I would rather not tell you, since it would serve no purpose but to give you a "gotcha" moment as in "diz iz y u incel".
You specifically said that society is bent towards benefiting women in this case. That is an act of separation from blame. You are putting the fault on society, not yourselves.
It's possible to be frustrated about the society and plain hate and blame oneself. I don't see any particular disconnect here.
How many men define themselves as incels, or attach themselves to the ideas of inceldom?
A tiny minority of men. "Working" in this case is for men who do find some sort of companionship that they find fulfilling, whether its sexual or emotional, that fulfills their needs.
If we confine ourselves to a discussion about "inceldom", then yes. However, divorce rates, for example, suggest that these needs are unmet. There are other factors as well, I'm not trying to stick to something singular, I'm just naming what I can remember off the top of my head.
I've been shot down more times than I can fucking count. I've been shot down multiple times in a night. I've been shot down by people for whom I'd developed strong emotional feelings. I've been cheated on. I've been left for my best friend a week after being dumped.
You were still successful. You at least know general bearings.
See what I mean about the gap of understanding. At some point you were successful, so you're able to see what benefits you and what doesn't. What about people who filed every. single. time. in their lives? How should a person like that know which way he should take? Especially when he finds out that advice he was giving is a bunch of hooey?
That's the difference, being at least partially successful vs. never having to experience anything like that.
I'm not asking for praise.
I posted this knowing full-well that it would be downvoted, and disputed. I have no issue with that.
But my advice still stands as general guidelines for anyone who wants to leave inceldom.
Your guidelines are too general. Besides, everybody here is aware what are the general guidelines for leaving inceldom. We are missing crucial understanding of the guidelines, because when we take them at the face value, then we're told that we're morons. And no, this is not a request for pity, just stating the fact.
When the raw emotion is then spewed back at you constantly, like in this subreddit, reinforcing damaging notions about women as a whole, then yeah... That's just feeding a neurosis that will actively hurt you get out of inceldom.
I appreciate your concern but my notions about women are formed from seeing my colleagues and my acquaintances and not from this subreddit. Reality is much weirder than any Internet community.
Then what are you waiting for?
Get off your ass and do something about it. Don't even respond to this comment.
Go. And. Do. Something. About. It.
You're like an obese person complaining about their weight while sitting down and shoveling food into their gaping maw.
I always knew that fatpeoplehate was in fact populated by normies mostly. Usually they were quite insecure too but that's beside the point.
Do you have a different perception of time? Because the process, as you acknowledged yourself takes time, days, months and years. What you're actually telling me is to shut up and not complain and no, I won't stop. I need to have an outlet for negative emotions. It's quite possible to both complain and improve yourself.
So it's venting. Nothing else. Nothing productive.
Just venting.
You see it as a non-productive exercise, I see it as a release. I'm dumping here my negative emotions that would've otherwise gone to my colleague, my mother, my friends.
Fair enough; but it'll just continue to subconsciously remind you that you're the victim.
We have a different understanding of the word "victim", apparently.
Would suggest that you're blaming society.
It's quite possible to acknowledge faults in society but not place the blame on your current situation entirely on it. You want me to actually blame society, don't you? Because you'd have an irrefutrable proof of my problems and that would require an immediate fix. No, I don't blame it, I just acknowledge it sucks.
Do you want to go and have a whimper over there in the corner? Accept failure? Or keep going?
Can I have both? Can I complain and keep going? I understand it's unpleasant for you to hear complaints but that's who we are. We can't keep silent any longer, we need a release. Weird people are people too and they too have a limit on how much they can bottle up.
What's important is how do you fix it?
Certain things you can fix, certain fix you can't. Certain things you can only accept. No, it doesn't mean you gotta stop trying but it doesn't mean it's as easy as pie. Different people have different reactions to different things.
I am respectfully asking.
Trying to save up money for hernia sugery.
Trying to save up money for psychotherapy.
Getting at least marginally decent clothes. Making sure I have footwear without holes to wear.
Planning to get lifting again after I fix hernia. If I don't get approval from doctors, then at least get them to tell me what I need to do to get fit.
Paying off debts I accrued when I was running away from the war.
Paying off debts that I took in my name when I and my friend were trying to run a business and then he turned out to be a grade-A cunt.
You can say that debt repayment isn't exactly betterment but it is. When I don't owe anyone anything, I sleep better. Unfortunately, this is a long way away from completion.
This really is a sticking point for you, isn't it?
Fine, I take it back. You don't have sub-par hygiene.
You're not being cute right, just saying.
But it hasn't.
Yes, it has. It has come to the point that woman's word is valued more than a man's word. Women die later, live longer and healthier, they're more successful, they graduate more often. Despite all that, however, they're still trying to present themselves as victims with no agency.
And yes, they are the gatekeepers of sex, they're the selective sex and it's the biological imperative to find the most suitable mate for them to procreate. The infuriating part is that many women vehemently deny that for social points. If women'd be much more upfront about their attraction (and no, don't give me bullshit about them being afraid of men, they have the full extent of the protection by the law in the Western world), then the only people that'd stay in this community would be the deranged tradcons.
If you see women as goldiggers and sluts, then they'll treat you like an entitled pig. At which point you'll treat them even more like goldiggers and sluts, and then they'll despise you.
It has come to the point that woman's word is valued more than a man's word.
That's simply not true.
You've spent too much time letting PC discourse on the internet poison your perception.
Obviously, there are women who are like that, but I've never met a single one in my entire life, through college, and afterwards. Women are... well... just like men.
Women die later
You can blame that on testosterone.
Not on society.
longer and healthier
Again: there's considerable evidence that testosterone makes men do stupid shit, and fucks up our tendency to make intelligent decisions.
they're more successful
That's not true.
The vast majority of CEOs, Directors, Execs, VCs, Engineers, etc... are men.
The tendency is towards equality, not domination.
they graduate more often
That's true; they do in many western countries.
Getting degrees that have lesser market values. And?
Despite all that, however, they're still trying to present themselves as victims with no agency.
See: here's the problem.
You don't like being treated as a generalization.
I get that. Fine.
And then you make this statement.
Do you understand why people have issues with incels when you make this sort of statement? You don't want to be a monolith, but all women are "trying to present themselves as victims with no agency".
Again, not only have you turned individuals into a monolith, you've then gone and mixed up PC internet discourse with actual human beings.
These women do exist. I'm not denying it. But to suggest that it is far reaching or even the norm is ludicrous.
And yes, they are the gatekeepers of sex, they're the selective sex and it's the biological imperative to find the most suitable mate for them to procreate.
Tell that to my various female friends when they get turned down by dudes.
don't give me bullshit about them being afraid of men, they have the full extent of the protection by the law in the Western world
But I will.
How much does the law protect you when some douchecanoe is beating the shit out of you?
Do you scream: But this is illegal! and he immediately stops?
Pro-tip: it doesn't work like that.
The chicken or the egg?
If you treat women like human beings, they'll treat you like a human being.
And I'll continue answering, because I think that inceldom probably stinks, but I don't think that congregations of incels is any way to solve the underlying problem.
Bro in no world would a normal person write as much as you did. If you're pretending that you're a successful normie then you're delusional.
The Blackpill is reality. Women care immensely, and decisively, about the looks stemming from genetic quality in their potential partners. Denying this is denying the truth.
You've spent too much time letting PC discourse on the internet poison your perception.
Yeah, except when I'm in real life, I see people with vaginas getting a pass in every aspect of life, just because they have vaginas and give birth to babies. They can be productive members of society and invent things but we still operate on notions that we need to be lenient to women because of that.
You can blame that on testosterone.
Not on society.
No, it's due to better healthcare for women and women being taught that it's okay to get help as soon as you feel you need it. Also due to the fact that retirement standards throughout the most of the world still let women retire around 10 years early than their male counterparts.
That's not true.
The vast majority of CEOs, Directors, Execs, VCs, Engineers, etc... are men.
The tendency is towards equality, not domination.
And yet in all but top tiers of the majority of industries (except for heavy parts of it, like metallurgy) they outearn men. Equality you say? I say the tilt is here.
That's true; they do in many western countries.
Getting degrees that have lesser market values. And?
And yet getting the higher education has been connected to better employment prospects in life. We sneer at GenderEd but they can get employed, in the meanwhile, even blue collar jobs now ask for a degree. I lucked out, many people like me aren't so lucky.
And then you make this statement.
Do you understand why people have issues with incels when you make this sort of statement? You don't want to be a monolith, but all women are "trying to present themselves as victims with no agency".
We actively show that we are not a monolithic group that unanimously hates women. We are composed of people of different races, creeds and social statuses united by nihilism and our unlovability. Society does us jack but denigrate and has the gall to say that we shouldn't complain.
Women with an active societal position in the West, however, have the entire support of the State, the Law and Social Opinion. Yet they still argue that they face prejudice from men, they still don't feel safe around men and they would prefer it would change. You know how you see whether they mean it or not? By looking at the people these women date.
These women, who have an active stance on these matters usually date the typical specimen of classical human masculinity, the ones who (as it has been established by feministic theory) embody Patriarchy and likely to perpetuate those things they are vehemently against.
It's the norm, especially considering that people who espouse feministic theory have unfettered access to media, whereas MRE (for all their batshittery) are branded as misogynist pigs. They do nothing more, however, but extend the feministic theory (something that has been said argues for equal rights between sexes) to men.
How much does the law protect you when some douchecanoe is beating the shit out of you?
Do you scream: But this is illegal! and he immediately stops?
Pro-tip: it doesn't work like that.
I fail to see your point.
If you treat women like human beings, they'll treat you like a human being.
What if you treat them like human beings but they treat you like shit? What happens then?
interest theory there bucko, except the system was rigged for 200 years against women and blacks. What precisely have they burned down? America is the richest and most powerful country on the planet. Really makes you think.
You're so desperate to sound intelligent that you don't realize there is a literal A-B test sitting right in front of you.
15% of China's men literally do not have a female counterpart in the country. They are ordained to maintain single by demographics. Male child preference was always a thing in China, but the One Child Policy in 1979 put that belief to the test and drove that inequity up 10% to the 15% mark we see today.
Since then, the Chinese government has lifted literally ONE BILLION of its citizens out of poverty.
You sit at the heel of a charlatan because his advice comforts you.
Desperate Googling makes it clear you know very little about China, and that's okay. You should learn to argue in the facts of yesterday or today rather than soothsay about tomorrow. For what it's worth, single men are certainly the most dangerous demographic in a time of violent revolution. But life in China has only been getting better, so there's comparatively less that the population has to be upset and protest about.
Have things gotten significantly better in the USA since 1979 for the majority of citizens? If the life promised to you by mommy and by the TV isn't the one you have, maybe you're right to be mad about it. Right now you blame Feminism, but Feminist didn't stall wage growth or grow the income gap. They told you that you should have a house and a wife by now, but without inter-generational wealth they didn't give you the tools to do it. So who are you going to be mad at?
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they reach some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, of better education, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
religious fundamentalism seems to be an x factor though.
I know so many muslim (me being one) living in Canada who have 5+ kids even though its a huge financial burden on them. They simply dont care. Their is a concept in islam called rizq and a lot of muslims purposely kids.
This + low birth rates amongst the native whites and hence more immigration is a recipe for population replacement.
It will take time but eventually whites will be a minority in the west and patriarchal order will take its place with Islamic, fundamentalist christian values.
The industrial revolution and the agricultural revolution as well as scientific revolutions before that are the work of societies that practise stable long term monogamy as law and costume. even before that monogamists societies would be long, rich and stable. Only after the material wealth created by this societies be so large as to allow matriarchal practises and hedonism to form and take over would said hedonistic societies be created. The hedonism did not create this wealth it was a byproduct of it, one that rots the society. Then a century later the civilisation would collapse and be relapsed by another.
There is absolutely no evidence that "hedonism" causes societies to collapse. The only person you can cite who isn't a religious reactionary is J.D. Unwin, but even he is very tenuous of a source.
The industrial revolution did not come about *because* societies "practiced" long term monogamy in law or costume. The idea that societies in the abstract practiced any sort of sexual monogamy is somewhat ridiculous, all things considered. Greek pederasty is the first thing that comes to mind. The history of sexuality is not what you think it is. It was the Victorian era that largely brought about a "sex-negative" culture.
First of all pederasty was not as common as people like to think. And in many areas looked down on. So socialital structure exists for a thousand years and then collapses within a century after it turns hedonistic? From Rome to Babylon to classical japan (although that was more a case of upper class hidonism) you see the same patterns. Men work to provide for family and society. In exchange they got a family and the support from society. You break that down society simply will grind to a hault and collapse. Because men will only produce for them selves. They have no reason to provide anymore then the minimum to survive. Also like it happened in the collapse of rome they would refuse to join the army or even worse in mass join the invading conquerors, because of a hate of there society.
Again, there's no good evidence to support those narratives. If you have some, I would honestly love to see it.
It also seems like you don't understand how capitalism works. It is no longer the case that men do all the labor, and women maintain home life. In your theoretical example, if men drop out of the labor force, it wouldn't matter. Women already work to provide for themselves, this has been the case since well into the 20th Century.
Also, again, I don't know where you're getting this idea from, but it sounds a hell of a lot like J.D. Unwin, someone commonly cited by ideologues like Black Pigeon Speaks and people like him. If that's the case, then I have a video or two (or three) that responds to this idea very very well.
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I will extend those so they're easier for our sausage fingers to click!
Let me leave you with something to think about. Most roman emperors , Augustus for example, that would have been considered great were in a constant struggle to try to get men to marry and settle down and woman to not cheat and also marry. They were smart calculating men. They for most part didn't do this because of any "traditional beliefs" they did this because they knew that if they didn't at least curb the hedonism then there empires would die. They would have no troops to pool from, there tax beds would evaporate and civil strife would have been massive. Babylon fall from grace was proceeded by laws about child support for woman much like our own. Also men still maintain and protect society. Although some woman do support society and maintain ,most importantly nurses and teachers, the vast majority of woman are employed in fields like bureaucracy, accounting, HR and PR, as well as very low level jobs and jobs design to serve only females. Those jobs aren't a net positive for society and as it stands are far too bloated and are only byproducts of legal and bureaucratic expansion. Men are the engines and protectors of society if they stops all of society will shatter.
Like Jordan Peterson said if the system is heavily rigged against a group of people, they are the ones with nothing to lose and will flip the place when the time comes.
Where does Jordan Peterson say this specifically, I'm very curious.
It's good you pointed this out. History repeats itself. Every matriarchal society in the past has collapsed spectacularly. What we are seeing now is nothing new.
If anyone else posted the same comment they wouldn't get downvoted by retards who want to convince themselves that femoids don't want to torture sub8 males?
All my degree has done is help me get a job that is slightly better than the fast food job I had in high school. It's never helped me with women. I'm 32.
I can't say for sure, but I assume that Gender Studies majors didn't have to take calculus, chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemistry, molecular biology, genetics and physics.
I was on the molecular side; never really took any organismal courses. Evolution was more about population level stuff than natural selection. Ultimately, I thought it was interesting, and thought I would go to graduate school. It turned out that I was too dumb for that.
Where's the kid's girlfriend on this momentous graduation day? Oh wait, he doesn't have one. But the attractive relative is dating someone, so hot and heavy they can't stop kissing during the photoshoot.
How do we know he doesn't have one? He's getting his photo taken lol do you expect his gf to also be in there sucking his face? What if she's in the back waiting? Exactly we don't know lol.
Let's be honest, given how weak and pathetic all of you appear when you're crying about the world do you really think you're capable of telling anyone to leave the subreddit?
I mean you could always just cry to the mods to remove people but doesn't that just reinforce your own lack of agency in the matter?
Doesn't look that way, at the end he just walks off in a different direction from them. Also if they were there with him why do that right in front of him while his pic is being taken?
Your bluepilled cuckery is accidentally confirming the blackpill: this roastie is so enthralled by Chad's dick that she can't even keep her hands off of him for 2 seconds to acknowledge a sub-7 male.
Why the fuck should she acknowledge him? He’s clearly not her partner. Do you acknowledge every single individual you come within 15 feet of, regardless if you know them? That makes 0 fucking sense.
Even if that were the case there is no reason for her to acknowledge him at that exact moment. She came to HIS graduation AND the photo shoot. They could have had a conversation before and/or after that. Maybe her bf is the friend/relative to the guy. You have absolutely no idea what is happening here, and you are presenting it as proof that he is being ignored due to his appearance. Utter bullshit, you have no clue as to what is happening here.
What if his girlfriend ALSO graduated and is off talking to her family? You don't see any of his family there. There has to be a reason for that too! Or is it just that he's too scrawny and nerdy to have parents who care?
You are assuming 2 things:
1.) That the guy w/ a partner in the gif doesn’t have the same level of education
2.) That the guy having his photo taken doesn’t have a partner that is not present
You have 0 evidence to support your claim, and yet you suggest that others are taking liberties?
Haha dude I don’t have to fucking pay for sex. This had nothing to do with defending anyone anyways, it was just shit logic. You can’t watch a short video and deduce the back story of everyone involved.
My goodness you people are pathetic. Why should studying have anything to do with a girlfriend? Do you think a girlfriend is something you have to earn through efforts in other areas?
Maybe if you people looked at women as human beings instead of trophies to be won you'd have better luck.
Do you think a girlfriend is something you have to earn through efforts in other areas?
I just noticed this, and I have to answer it. This is the standard advice incels get. Go to the gym, study, have a good job, have friends, etc. Yet somehow they don’t get girlfriends despite following this advice. Incels know mora than anyone else that women don’t like men for being successful, they like men who are good looking. That’s all.
Maybe they're just shitty people and the advice is generally geared to make them less shitty.
Obviously if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel looks wise then yeah you're pretty fucked, but to say that a person with average or below average looks is fucked is a joke.
Well, below 4/10 you’re sort of fucked. You can get a woman to settle for you in your 30s and if you’re lucky you will get 1 or 2 relationships, but women won’t really be attracted to you, they’ll just settle.
Bizarre to assume the guy has no girlfriend. FWIW I broke up w/a marine to date my skinny, pale husband who has Aspergers. And I was 36-21-36 at the time. My Husband is smarter and funnier, which is much sexier. Then we got our graduate degrees together and have now been married 20 years.. Plenty of women like brainy men. Few like men who blame others for why they can’t get a date.
I see the difference, but that’s still not a proactive approach to the problem, is it? I didn’t mean to make anyone here feel bad—I hoped our story would give hope. My husband could’ve said, “Damn, I’m a socially-awkward, scrawny pale intellectual. Nobody will ever date me,” but he didn’t . He asked me out, even though I was a popular, bubbly girl w/an hourglass figure and at least two dates a week. I chose HIM over all the other guys. I actually found his vulnerability and unwillingness to play dating “games” incredibly attractive . He’s brilliant and funny and takes charge of his own life. Not everybody looks like Brad Pitt, but a quality woman doesn’t care. You guys should remember that women only after looks aren’t worth having anyhow, anymore than a guy like that is. Plenty of us look for an interesting person rather than an Instagram post. We’re out there. Believe in yourself, live your life happily, and look for us. Isn’t that less depressing? From what I read here, the view of women is incredibly reductive even while y’all blame women of treating you guys reductively. Sure, some women do that. Who wants them? Ick! Why not believe in yourself and look for women who will do the same? Seriously, we are out there! We like smart guys! Nothing is sexier than a good mind.
I only wish it was that easy. Truth is, no matter how great my personality is, women will choose the better-looking male with a comparable personality. Because women have options, unlike men.
I guarantee that many women have this problem, too. It’s no fun and I get that. But you WILL meet women—or heck, it only takes one, right? A woman—who likes what is unique about YOU, no matter what other guys she knows. It’s a frustrating thing to wait, and I get that. When we were single, my husband felt like you do b/c some women turned him down for dates; I felt frustrated that despite dating frequently I wasn’t finding a person I wanted to be with long term. But we found each other. I really think it can happen for you, too, and I wish you the very best of luck!😄
The moral of this story is that little, weak guys like the one with a diploma will have to wage slave in order to get into relationship with women, yet they will never be desired as sex objects by women.
On the other hand, big, strong, "gorilla" are getting pussy relatively easily. Big and strong men simply have a higher value in the sexual market. They are actually seen as sex objects by women. Get it into your heads.
We people are quite primitive creatures after all. It's just that phenomenal personalities (Like Isaac Newton, for example) were making inventions that allow us (the trash, the gray matter) to breed in higher numbers.
I am no where near the "gorilla" type male. I'm fairly thin guy, dating has never been a big issue to me. What's your log there?>The moral of this story is that little, weak guys like the one with a diploma will have to wage slave in order to get into relationship with women, yet they will never be desired as sex objects by women.
We people are quite primitive creatures after all.
Cope. Our instincts in most other endeavors are completely under control. Women’s sexuality was as well until fairly recently, hence the plummet in the marriage rate and the rise in divorce and sexlessness.
not cuz they were under control of their endeavors but cuz religion created by men kept them under control
has anyone here watched the show handmaid's tale? it would be life fuel except it just shows peggy from madmen being forced to have sex with a chad. it's secretly like 50 shades of grey and it's what women want to happen.
no, face is always an implicit requirement. gymcels are ugly in the face but go to the gym anyways. either way his point is that having a good/large/masculine frame is attractive on its own, aka it's over for framelet manlets
Look at how tall he is, and look at how little it matters. Simply being tall isn't enough to attract women, you have to have a myriad of other stuff going for you.
the problem is that most incels are barely capable of getting a degree. most of you are pretty dumb.
I have one actually. The problem is most of the basic, gawking dumbfucks like you....are pretty damn stupid yourselves. You see a venting meme post and immediately go off on stupid beliefs and apply them to everyone here. Great judgement there, champ.
Lol, I'm not even gonna hear the rest of the shit you're going to say. It's the same condescending snark said every day. K, I'm done pointing out the your pointless comment with my own.
You can see that the graduating guy doesn’t exist for that woman. He literally has no place in her consciousness. It’s not that she wouldn’t care about his feelings (she doesn’t), but to her he doesn’t exist...............................
Its a graduation, hes having photos taken against a backdrop seemingly in a communal area, so its likely there are other people waiting for the photographer, theres no indication that those people even know him is this community just angry every time they see 2 people in happy relationships
this community just angry every time they see 2 people in happy relationships
They could have gone 5 minutes without pushing their tongues into each other, it's a special moment for the guy. Do they have to do it right then and there?
Do people who are lucky to be in relationships lose all sense of public decency and common sense?
Are you gonna ruin someone's wedding photos by doing this while the photos are being taken?
World doesn't revolve around him or me or you or anybody else, hes part of a graduating class so its not just his special moment its a lot of peoples so why should they or anyone else change the way they celebrate a joyous occasion?
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they reach some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, of better education, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
He's going based off of how you're talking about women, how can you manage to have so little self awareness?
Because it doesn't matter how he talks about women. Plenty of misogynists get women.
Let's say it is because you think you're unattractive, what are you going to do about it? Sit and mope about it? If you think you're unattractive, work out.
Ah yes, working out can totally make him grow taller and fix his facial bone structure. Totally. This advice only works for women, not men. Ass too small? Do squats. Getting a bit of a belly? Do cardio.
Muscles on an ugly man don't change anything.
If this guy is fat (in which case he was already a volcel), then sure he could lose weight. Still won't change much if he's too short and his face is too ugly.
That will do loads to your self confidence and women like a guy with self confidence.
A confident ugly man is known as a "creep". Women like attractive men with self confidence.
You don't have to be super attractive to get women, you just have to know how to talk to women, you have to know how to show respect so you can get the same back.
Lmaooo naw you have to atleast be average attractiveness to even speak to a woman. Otherwise you get death glares and she walks away Lmaooo do normies really think attractive men "know how to talk" to women? They just say shit and women think it's a romance novel, because he's hot.
If you really think you're then just be funny, use your voice dude.
Just be funny bro. Women find attractive men funny, not funny men attractive. To women, it seems like funny men are all attractive, but it's only because they only find attractive men funny.
Do you really think the population is filled with super attractive guys?
No, considering women only find 20 percent of men to be super attractive. But they also only chase after that small percentage.
And that average/unattractive guys can never get a girlfriend?
Oh we know women settle for average guys (not ugly guys) after they're done screwing a bunch of hot guys and couldn't pin one of them down.
When you look in the mirror, you should look at the person that you are on the inside and think about whether you think you'd hang out with the person you are.
My friends seem cool with me, I'm cool with me, I'm sure the same goes for the guy you're responding to as well. Women don't care about the inside, they care about the outside. Otherwise, no abuser would ever have been able to start a relationship with a woman (inb4: durrrr akshually abusers hide their evil personality!!! <- If you're going to say this, that means you believe women don't actually see what's on the inside, they see what you show them of what's on the inside, so therefore personality isn't a problem if you just show them a different personality)
If not, then work on your social skills man.
do you think we're all basement dwellers or autists?
Please correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked, you need hobbies because you like them and not to make yourself interesting to the opposing sex. You're obviously of a different opinion, right? I mean, I do not presume you represent the entire collective of "normal" people but there seem to be a strange divide among them about why do you need hobbies. Some say that you need active hobbies, because people like active people, some say that you don't need to try so hard and that you should be genuine in what you're doing? What's your opinion on that?
No, not at all.
You don't discover hobbies with the goal of making yourself more attractive. But it's a side-effect.
If you spend most of your month only partaking in a single hobby, maybe also try and find something else you like?
You can do both. My hobbies are gaming, painting and collecting WH:40K, going to the gym and SCUBA diving. It's all over the shop. Some are not what would be considered traditionally "sexy" hobbies, but I couldn't give a fuck. And I didn't choose gym and SCUBA because I thought it would be "sexy", but because I enjoy them.
You can kill two birds with one stone. I'd say diversity of activities that you enjoy is important.
Yes. What people say doesn't reflect what people do or how they behave, as paradoxical as it is.
Totally disagree. Your words are a representation and manifestation of your mental state and beliefs.
I don't talk about stuff that I fundamentally don't agree with or don't adhere to. I take part in some shitposting, of course, but the vast majority of my posts are inspired and informed by my views.
What if you get zero during your entire life? You don't know to which direction you're moving and all your life you're receiving mixed messages and your observations make you even more confused.
Then work at it.
And yeah, it's confusing. But you can't let that confusion block you off or put you in a place of intense fear. Because then you should do more damage to yourself, you feed the confusion and fear, and it's a cycle that's much more difficult to break.
Considering that not all attractive people are psychopaths (which is obviously the truth, there are many kind and selfless attractive people), they are able to learn on their mistakes and actually improve themselves enough to get not just sex but emotional closeness (provided their partners don't want to do their job for them. I've seen so many times when their partners literally give everything they've got to stay with them. Considering these people being adulterers, cheaters and liars, I wonder what made people do the things they did).
They are not. And I'm not calling them psychopaths.
There's something far worse than being a psychopath: being boring.
And that's what most of the advice/guidelines are about. Being boring is a cardinal sin, and possibly the least attractive property anyone can have. In fact, it feeds into what I was saying above: find diversity in skills and hobbies.
Obviously, not everyone finds the same things boring, so no one can go into specifics.
But when you literally got nothing, how are you supposed to learn? You see all these people getting into relationships, appearing so natural and people you're trying to approach literally refuse to give you the time of day.
It only appears natural.
If I look back at my first relationships, and even stuff I've done in far more recent times, I could bury my head in the sand in terms of self-induced cringe.
Ridicule doesn't kill. But fear of ridicule can ruin your life.
No, nobody's entitled to anything but if one is to learn, one has to make mistakes, however, how can you make mistakes you're not even let to do anything meaningful?
If you're not having people come towards you, but you want companionship, then you have to go towards them.
Early courtship is a bit like sales. Sometimes, you have to really put yourself out there to get your product known on the market. There are loads of other products out there. And women do the exact same thing. If you go to a bar and see a woman with a nice dress, makeup and some high-heel shoes, she is doing that for herself but also to some degree for others. We are all trying to sell what we have.
It's why we buy the clothes we buy, the cars we own, the watches, shoes, whatever.
Do you consider people being entitled to food and shelter? It's not a false equivalence, if we consider people to be entitled to something and not entitled to other things, we're drawing an arbitrary line. Where's that line and where do you draw it?
The arbitrary line is where your needs cross into the land where they directly affect another human being and their desires and needs.
I understand the desire and need for companionship. However, you are not entitled to it. You cannot negatively or forcibly get another human being to feel that need.
Because a human being, contrarily to food or water, is a sentient being.
Last time I checked, you've made a stereotypization which fits the famous Internet stereotype of an unkempt neckbeard. That does not define inceldom.
Not at all. The neckbeard does not necessarily suffer from social anxiety or an inability to talk to women. Neckbeards tend to reject social norms, not suffer from what I mentioned before.
Yes, basically. This is venting, to determine whether we mean it or not, you should talk to separate people, not indulge yourself in stereotypy.
But venting is based in reality.
YES! How hard it is to understand that spaces like these are basically genuine lonely people screaming into the ether, because of they scream in RL, they might be misunderstood, to say the least.
Again: venting is never entirely devoid of real life significance.
Every problem requires a solution. If you're providing an advice, you're providing a TO DO list.
That is not possible due to the individual nature of not only the men to whom this advice is given, but also due to the individual nature of the women on the other side.
If you imply that you know the better way, then you should be held accountable and provide the guidance for people who don'
Again: the laziness.
I can't fix your problems. I can't come up with a TODO list to get the woman of your dreams. I can make general suggestions that would tend you towards a greater chance of success. But if you don't make the jump, the effort, do the work, then it's worthless.
And it also doesn't take into account that, again, what works for woman A will not work on woman B. These are general ideas and tendencies.
Otherwise, what's the point of you giving and essentially saying "you should get better but I won't tell you how, it's up to you"? People can find that out without you.
Because the general trends don't seem to be understood.
The general ideas about what tends to make someone more attractive than someone else doesn't seem to be understood.
It seems to be based in two camps:
Superficial beauty (which you can actually work at; Chris Hemsworth wouldn't be half as much of a stud muffin if he didn't work out like an absolute monster beast).
Cash flow (which you can actually work at, too).
But there's more to it than that.
Excellent, you're passing the judgement without even knowin the circumstances of my life and where I come from.
It was a rhetorical you. The incel you.
What use is your sympathy to me, when you've insinuated that you know better but now you're at the loss for words?
I've said before: I don't give sympathy.
You can get that from other incels. I'm not here to be an emotional balm. I'm explaining that the nature of your fundamental issue stems from you; namely, the answer to your issue can and will only be brought about by you. No one else.
Also, care to expand on your judgement? You've analyzed all aspects of me and decided that I'm exactly lazy and cowardly, right? Here I'm actually interested in your opinion.
The rhetorical you.
Why lazy?
First off, the arguments used about "lucky genes" and the like. How many really attractive men don't work out like fucking pigs? Name any man whose generally regarded as a hunk, and you'll end up with someone who goes to the gym 5, 6, 7 days a week. This is not luck. This is hard work. It's discipline.
But you see that and think: lucky. Again: rhetorical you.
And cowardly, because you fail to identify the underlying cause because it requires you to place the solution to your problems solely on you, preferring to aim bile at women for being gatekeepers.
then we'll see that problems with societal sexual dynamics are far more common than you'd like to admit.
But how can they be common or normalized if they are inherently not normal. The vast majority of men, by a staggering majority, are not incels.
My personal experience (experiences of people here also seem to echo that) is that learning stuff is giving you an edge in employment, not in romantic life.
And that is attractive to some people.
It isn't all; it won't turn you into a pussy magnet. But it's something to be proud of, and to use that pride to give yourself self-confidence.
Befriending women gives you friends, not potential romantic partners. Tried by me as well. They are good friends (until they get partners and grow distant).
I didn't say end it at that. But go at it little by little.
Be comfortable about women as friends.
Then try and meet other women, and try and be a bit more flirtatious. You'll get shot down, brutally sometimes, and you'll have to pick yourself back up.
I'm not saying go from stranger -> friends -> girlfriend. I'm saying get generally comfortable about women.
You've spent too much time letting PC discourse on the internet poison your perception.
Yeah, except when I'm in real life, I see people with vaginas getting a pass in every aspect of life, just because they have vaginas and give birth to babies. They can be productive members of society and invent things but we still operate on notions that we need to be lenient to women because of that.
You can blame that on testosterone.
Not on society.
No, it's due to better healthcare for women and women being taught that it's okay to get help as soon as you feel you need it. Also due to the fact that retirement standards throughout the most of the world still let women retire around 10 years early than their male counterparts.
That's not true.
The vast majority of CEOs, Directors, Execs, VCs, Engineers, etc... are men.
The tendency is towards equality, not domination.
And yet in all but top tiers of the majority of industries (except for heavy parts of it, like metallurgy) they outearn men. Equality you say? I say the tilt is here.
That's true; they do in many western countries.
Getting degrees that have lesser market values. And?
And yet getting the higher education has been connected to better employment prospects in life. We sneer at GenderEd but they can get employed, in the meanwhile, even blue collar jobs now ask for a degree. I lucked out, many people like me aren't so lucky.
And then you make this statement.
Do you understand why people have issues with incels when you make this sort of statement? You don't want to be a monolith, but all women are "trying to present themselves as victims with no agency".
We actively show that we are not a monolithic group that unanimously hates women. We are composed of people of different races, creeds and social statuses united by nihilism and our unlovability. Society does us jack but denigrate and has the gall to say that we shouldn't complain.
Women with an active societal position in the West, however, have the entire support of the State, the Law and Social Opinion. Yet they still argue that they face prejudice from men, they still don't feel safe around men and they would prefer it would change. You know how you see whether they mean it or not? By looking at the people these women date.
These women, who have an active stance on these matters usually date the typical specimen of classical human masculinity, the ones who (as it has been established by feministic theory) embody Patriarchy and likely to perpetuate those things they are vehemently against.
It's the norm, especially considering that people who espouse feministic theory have unfettered access to media, whereas MRE (for all their batshittery) are branded as misogynist pigs. They do nothing more, however, but extend the feministic theory (something that has been said argues for equal rights between sexes) to men.
How much does the law protect you when some douchecanoe is beating the shit out of you?
Do you scream: But this is illegal! and he immediately stops?
Pro-tip: it doesn't work like that.
I fail to see your point.
If you treat women like human beings, they'll treat you like a human being.
What if you treat them like human beings but they treat you like shit? What happens then?
224 comments
1 Matthew15651 2018-05-22
SUICIDEFUEL
1 pooppantys 2018-05-22
Do it fagget
1 sovn_tri_tri 2018-05-22
peaceful IT
1 mikepencetheincel 2018-05-22
He has such a great personality bro, he has to be a slayer.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
good personality
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-05-22
You disgust me. For the normie brigaders, here was the comment:
Yeah, you idiots don't bully and harass us, right? Fuck off.
1 gufestus2 2018-05-22
Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch
1 KekeBl 2018-05-22
this hurts to watch
1 SmokeyMcBlunt 2018-05-22
Ready for modern slavery.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
I give western society another 75 years before it collapses and makes way for patriarchal Islam to take over
1 Wazlok25 2018-05-22
just in time to die as virgins
1 WarAndGeese 2018-05-22
Or they'll be bred out. Maybe it's a shift in environment and some groups will get slashed in numbers.
1 djalekks 2018-05-22
The system was always rigged against you guys what’s gonna change now?
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
Low birth rates in the white community. It causes governments to import more immigrants from 3rd world countries.
1 Jacoblikesx 2018-05-22
I’m sorry what lmao. Is that why our president himself asked why we let people from shithole countries in 😂
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Your options are
A) Patriarchal foreigners
B) Patriarchal natives
1 redworm 2018-05-22
Holy fuck you people are full of bile. Maybe if you weren't such a racist piece of shit you wouldn't be a 29 year old virgin.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
no its cuz im ugly. Plenty of racist people get laid
1 redworm 2018-05-22
No it's not dude. I saw those pics, you're pretty attractive regardless of height.
Yes, racists get laid. Usually by other racists. But your entire attitude about this is why you're not getting laid. Plenty of people shorter, fatter, uglier, more "ethnic" as you said, and with less money still manage to get laid.
You know how? By treating women like human beings rather than just things that you can get laid with.
1 BF8211 2018-05-22
This is such bullshit and an utter cope. No, many women will overlook a mans racist, homophobic, etc views if he is attractive enough.
1 redworm 2018-05-22
Only someone that can't understand women are complex human beings like everyone else would think that.
Most women who will willingly sleep with someone that holds those views will do so because they're comfortable with those views. Same as most men. Except you people, of course. You'll take anything you can get, won't you?
You just see them as objects to be earned. That's why you can't get laid. You see this as a game with women as objectives to conquer and you're terrible at the game. Because a woman to you isn't a person, she's a trophy.
It's not a game to be won. That's not how real life works and the sooner you accept that the sooner you'll stop being a pathetic incel.
1 BF8211 2018-05-22
I bet you could do a poll and most women have probably slept with someone who has or had racist views, they just overlooked it or "didn't know" at the time.
You're putting words into my mouth that I never said. You've probably been here for all of a couple hours, yet you're going to act like you know how every incel functions? Whatever dude.
1 redworm 2018-05-22
Hours? This place is cancerous after minutes.
Your entire "incel" philosophy is based around seeing women as objects that you can't attain. You are the cause of your own misery and the fact that you people encourage each others shitty beliefs only makes it worse.
1 BF8211 2018-05-22
You’ve been here for a few minutes and think you know everything, yet you’re wrong about everything. Lurk more before making moronic comments.
1 redworm 2018-05-22
It's not like I only learned of your existence a few minutes ago. You incels have been infamous around reddit for years. We've all come in here and your other pity party subs over the years to watch you whine and cry about things that are your own fault.
Maybe you should try being a decent human being before holding such moronic beliefs about women.
1 BF8211 2018-05-22
Yes, women being picky and not liking ugly men is such a moronic view.
1 redworm 2018-05-22
If you think that women have the same ideas of what "ugly" is then yes, that is a moronic view. If you think you're getting turned down because they're picky about your looks rather than your garbage personality then yes, that is a moronic view.
The incel culture is fundamentally a moronic view. You're reinforcing your own terrible ideas by being around others who believe this. You are the cause of your own celibacy. It's not involuntary, you're just too much of a coward to change the things about your attitude that turn people off.
1 BF8211 2018-05-22
I’m incel because I’m unattractive, that’s all. You don’t know me IRL, you don’t know anything about me, so how exactly are you able to determine what my personality is? The answer is you can’t, so keep assuming, you’re going to think what you want to and I can’t change that.
1 redworm 2018-05-22
The way you look at women as objects is what's unattractive about you. Even the ugliest motherfuckers still get laid because they're not a bunch of pathetic misogynists crying about their own failures at being decent human beings.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Attractive people look at women as objects and they love it. Ah, the good old-fashioned human duplicity. Never gets stale.
1 hotyogurt1 2018-05-22
Shallow people exist, that's nothing new. But it sounds like you guys are the shallow ones. Rather than work on yourselves you'd rather throw a pity party and focus on nothing but looks. Work on yourself and be the person you'd want to hang out with. If you think you'd hang out with the person you are, then i'm sure someone else will too. Respect yourself, respect others. Analyze your actions and think about how you'd react if someone treated you the way you treated someone else. If you don't like it, change it dude. Women love a guy who can engage with them, who can talk to them, make them laugh if you think you're too ugly if you're gonna be caught up on appearances. Work on yourself and be happy with yourself before you want someone else in your life and you'll be happier for it.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Great argument! You sure showed us.
Why shouldn't we focus on looks, if they are a prerequisite for getting into a relationship?
The rest is just another generic platitude. Sorry, I'm not praising you for something I've been told a million times.
1 ohsohologramic 2018-05-22
I know plenty of "ugly" people who are in relationships and who engage in sex.
Honestly considering how much you people hang on to the term "ugly" it makes me think you all have severely low confidence and self-worth. Maybe stop focusing on being an incel or finding a partner/sexual relationship and start focusing on making yourself happy with who you are and how you look? Seek therapy, get fit, eat healthy, do stuff for you and no one but you (besides staying indoors all day and playing video games). Clean up your homes, find a group hobby, learn a skill, volunteer, take a class. Do something to give yourself meaning, and that drive will automatically make you more attractive to the opposite sex. And for god sakes, get off the internet for a while. It's doing you absolutely no good.
Start with working out and eating well, and actually commit to it. Do bodyweight/calisthenic/sports exercises 3 times a week every week. Eat 3 square meals a day, cut out the junk food and soda and booze. Get a solid 8 hours of sleep every night. Your skin will clear up, you'll start noticing a difference in your body in just a few days, you'll stand up straight and your chest will stick out and you will just automatically feel more confident, I GUARANTEE IT. Unless you have some kind of medical problem, your brain will feel better just because you're working out. It's hard to get started, but that's the hardest part. The second hardest part is maintaining it. Do stuff outdoors, get a tan, and I promise you people will see the difference.
The biggest thing, however, is to stop making your lives all about getting a relationship. That's literally the hardest way to find someone. People can tell when someone is trying too hard. Work on yourself first. No one wants to be with someone who lacks confidence or self worth. Sure, shallow people exist, men AND women AND everyone in between. But if you let that stop you from being the best version of yourself then you're giving someone else power over you. The only person who should have power over you is YOU.
1 hotyogurt1 2018-05-22
He's going based off of how you're talking about women, how can you manage to have so little self awareness? Let's say it is because you think you're unattractive, what are you going to do about it? Sit and mope about it? If you think you're unattractive, work out. That will do loads to your self confidence and women like a guy with self confidence. You don't have to be super attractive to get women, you just have to know how to talk to women, you have to know how to show respect so you can get the same back. If you really think you're then just be funny, use your voice dude. Do you really think the population is filled with super attractive guys? And that average/unattractive guys can never get a girlfriend? When you look in the mirror, you should look at the person that you are on the inside and think about whether you think you'd hang out with the person you are. If not, then work on your social skills man.
1 bopoll 2018-05-22
Because it doesn't matter how he talks about women. Plenty of misogynists get women.
Ah yes, working out can totally make him grow taller and fix his facial bone structure. Totally. This advice only works for women, not men. Ass too small? Do squats. Getting a bit of a belly? Do cardio.
Muscles on an ugly man don't change anything.
If this guy is fat (in which case he was already a volcel), then sure he could lose weight. Still won't change much if he's too short and his face is too ugly.
A confident ugly man is known as a "creep". Women like attractive men with self confidence.
Lmaooo naw you have to atleast be average attractiveness to even speak to a woman. Otherwise you get death glares and she walks away Lmaooo do normies really think attractive men "know how to talk" to women? They just say shit and women think it's a romance novel, because he's hot.
Just be funny bro. Women find attractive men funny, not funny men attractive. To women, it seems like funny men are all attractive, but it's only because they only find attractive men funny.
No, considering women only find 20 percent of men to be super attractive. But they also only chase after that small percentage.
Oh we know women settle for average guys (not ugly guys) after they're done screwing a bunch of hot guys and couldn't pin one of them down.
My friends seem cool with me, I'm cool with me, I'm sure the same goes for the guy you're responding to as well. Women don't care about the inside, they care about the outside. Otherwise, no abuser would ever have been able to start a relationship with a woman (inb4: durrrr akshually abusers hide their evil personality!!! <- If you're going to say this, that means you believe women don't actually see what's on the inside, they see what you show them of what's on the inside, so therefore personality isn't a problem if you just show them a different personality)
do you think we're all basement dwellers or autists?
1 JurastudenKoeln 2018-05-22
Yeah only if you settle with someone uglier than yourself
1 dekentfinker 2018-05-22
dude you are not ugly, your a mentalcel wallahi
1 MrSparks4 2018-05-22
Have you tried tinder and talked to fat girls? If you try to have a conversation and say interesting things you'll get a relationship quick. You start to mention Trump or say racists shit and most girls will run. A lot of younger girls are heavy into Bernie Sanders so they'll think you're an uncaring prick that wouldn't be worth their time. This especially if you're in a big city. If you're in rural area women are desperate to get married to a guy with a job and an interesting hobby. Take some fucking yoga or paint s picture. As long as you have something you enjoy and can talk about. Fuck a cute fat girl and have her sit on your face you pussy. When that THICC ass is on your face you'll not give two shits about anything anymore. Tell women you're looking for marriage and smile you sad sack of shit.
Let me tell you something about men you don't know. Love IS a fucking drug. When you meet a nice girl she becomes 10x hotter then the porn star. I dated a 10/10 before but the 5/10 girl I dated felt like an 11 and I still dream about her ugly while in bed with much hotter girls. I'd give anything to be with that chubby chick and I don't date chubby girls anymore. Girls want to have fun and enjoy what limited time they have on this planet like everyone else. They don't give two shits about having kids because of fucking brown people. Holy fuck. They want to watch Disney movies and play Legos like they did when they were kids. You being hateful isn't fun. "Asshole" dudes will at least go out and grab drinks with a girl and talk to her about something interesting like baseball or things their friends did. You sound like you're 12 not 29. Grow up
1 BetaChad69 2018-05-22
It's a lot worse now
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
I say 20 tops fam.
1 IMMAEATYA 2018-05-22
Comparing Trump to Marcus Aurelius? Give me a break 😂
1 dullsite 2018-05-22
Just an example of seemingly heading in the right direction, but that doesn't change anything.
1 masternater10 2018-05-22
Mfw racism and mysogyny don't exist but there is grounds for revolution by incels.
Society will never regress back to where it was.
1 Hal_Inceldenza 2018-05-22
...is exactly what Roman citizens shortly before the Fall of the late Roman Empire in an era full of hedonism, sexual and moral degeneracy thought. And then society finally got their shit together, burned all the degenerates, honored god and human decency and we got the great medieval times.
1 masternater10 2018-05-22
Is that what they thought?
1 Hal_Inceldenza 2018-05-22
Wait for the Incelish Inquisition and you'll see.
1 masternater10 2018-05-22
You realize Rome fell 1000 years before anything we recognize as medieval came about right?
1 Hal_Inceldenza 2018-05-22
The medieval period lasted from the 5th to the 15th century retard. It's literally the first sentence on Wikipedia if you google Middle Age.
1 masternater10 2018-05-22
"anything we recognize as medieval" talking specificay about the societies with knights and chivalry, this did not begin immediately after the fall of Rome.
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1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
First of all, projections.
Second of all, /u/Cybugger - because those people get lucky. Or they are attractive (which means they lucked out in the genetics department).
And third, of course, those mysterious "ugly" people that get laid all the time. It's not like women use those ugly people as cash machines with rare exceptions.
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
There is no projection going on here.
I am not an incel. I do not need to think of women as vessels for my cum, and demand the government gifts them to me.
I'm not a particularly attractive man. I'm tall, but I'm not the best looking guy out there. But I've worked on myself. Gaining skills. Going to the gym. Being hygenic. And developing a personality.
That's the talk of a defeatist who would much prefer to just circlejerk themselves off with their other equally pathetic and pitiful jerk-offs.
People are not born with social skills. They are learnt. It is never too late to learn. Will it hurt? Yes. Will you be met with rejection? Yes. Will you sometimes want to give up? Yes.
But what's the other option, exactly?
No, we're not going to force women to have sex with you. That's not happening. So you have two options:
Actually improve yourselves and stop acting like anyone owes you anything just for existing (pro-tip: they don't).
Stop whining about it, and accept your fate because you refuse to do anything about it.
And then you wonder why you're incels?
You see another complex human being and boil them down to:
Sex.
Goldiggers
Have you ever tried treating women like... you know... human beings? Not pretty princesses that want spineless men that throw themselves on puddles for m'lady, to avoid her shoes getting wet. Not sluts that just want chad's cum. And not like fucking goldiggers.
But actual people. Like you.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
I'm not sure why the ordinary people took this edgy meme seriously but okay, glad to hear you don't see women as "vessels for your cum".
Projections again. At least two of the things you've mentioned aren't as mastered as you'd like me to think, purely because you've decided to flaunt them around. With exception of people with actual mental problems, who do you think doesn't practice any reasonable degree of hygiene these days? Do you realize that you speak in memes? Being lonely and unwanted doesn't automatically mean you don't shower and at least marginally care how you look.
While the circlejerk is Internet lingo, you've twice mentioned anything related to masturbation? Have you had any sex recently? I mean, these things - they show.
You've got one hell of a strawman, dude, keep going. Come get your normie friends to kiss your ass about how enlightened you are.
In line with your jerking metaphors, you just masturbated all over this text with righteous indignation.
No, we don't wonder.
Yeah, and then we got all stereotyped as dirty smelly fucking virgins. Life's a bitch eh, you're told to shut up while being shouted over (example: you with you indignatory mental masturbation).
So why extend the courtesy of viewing someone as a complex being if all you're being viewed as is a one-dimensional caricature?
1 uuuuuuuaaaaaaa 2018-05-22
haha holy shit dude what a crazy reach
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Maybe. I'm not claiming anything, it's just I found amusing that he used "jerking" and its' variations twice in the same sentence.
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
Well, seeing Elliot Rogers, his ilk, and what used to be on the /r/incels subreddit...
Yeah.
As someone who went to a STEM college, a surprising amount of people. Not the majority, obviously. A minority. But a non-negligible minority.
If this doesn't cover you, then great for you.
Work on the other stuff, instead of the hygiene part.
Saturday, actually.
And it's a saying. Not to be taken literally.
Multiple incel areas have talked about women as, essentially, sex slaves.
Including the OP in this comment thread. What do you think he meant by patriarchal society like before?
A time where marital rape wasn't a thing. A time where women had little to no choice about who they spent their lives with, and no recourse in the cases where shit hit the fan.
Do you realize what OP was even saying?
I'm not indignant.
It's actual advice.
If you don't like it, tough luck I guess. Keep wallowing in self-pity.
If you know the reasons for it, and it bothers you... how about doing something about it?
First off: I didn't stereotype you all as dirty smelly virgins. It's one point that seems to have really triggered you, though.
Secondly: Because you're complaining about your lot in life.
If you're complaining about something, you have to do something about it.
Society isn't going to bend to your whims. People aren't going to do shit for you because you think you deserve it.
By all means: continue to not extend that courtesy. But don't expect anything from those people in return.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Roger wasn't even a frequent of /r/incels, he was a member of sluthate. Similar communities but there are differences.
That gives you the permission to stereotype people? You're seeing an amorphous collective of people who are only tentatively connected and you've decided to apply the characteristics of people you saw in a college where you study(studied?) Why? Based on what?
I wasn't. I just found it amusing that you used the same-rooted words in the same sentence twice.
You realize there's a difference between being in a patriarchal society and being a sex slave, right? I know you said that for dramatic purposes but come on. I advocate for neither.
Gee, how about you stop generalizing people, instead of telling me what to do, mmm? I didn't ask for your advice either.
No, that's not advice. That's a meaningless phrase designed for a quick grandstanding fix. And by the way, give advice when asked for. Thanks.
I do, to the best of my abilities. But I get frustrated along the way. Therapy is expensive and I don't have the money for it right now and no, I'm not going to shut up. The society offers me no valuable alternative to deal with my emotions, so I'm taking the solution into my own hands. If you don't like the outcome - sorry but you're SOL.
something something sub-par hygiene? Heck, you're talking about the reaffirmation of your preconceived notion about socially unlucky people. But no, you don't stereotype us at all. If you insult people long enough they'll eventually be annoyed by anything that even remotely resembles the insult.
I'm doing things about it. If you don't like me complaining here - well sorry, you're shit out of luck, because this is my space, not yours. You're not forced to read our complaints at gunpoint and I personally don't come to /r/destiny and complaint about somebody, say, whining about the practices of the company that made the game, while not playing the game at all.
I'd conjecture that many people here never expected the society to bend to our desires. It's just they're annoyed that it bent itself to women.
We ain't Jesus and we practice what we preach. If somebody hits on the cheek we're not going to give another.
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
What are you on about?
The points I brought up about lacking skills, suffering from social ineptitude are not stereotypes. They are the truth.
They are evident all over this board, and in others that have been nuked in the past, like /r/incels.
Because there are traits inherent to all incel communities I've seen, and they are what make people incels in the first place.
Low self-esteem, lack of social aptitude, a sense of entitlement to sex or amorous feelings, etc...
Incels are linked together via a set of characteristics. The very existence of communities of incels and subreddits is proof of this.
If every incel was a unique snowflake, then there would be no overlap within communities.
Then what patriarchal society is OP referring to?
One were beaten women can't come forward because the abuser was their husband, as was the case until not very long ago?
Was it a society where women were auctioned off for dowries, as is the case in certain modern patriarchal societies?
Then all you are responding to me for is to continue to wallow in self-pity.
Which is fine, if that's your schtick. But don't expect any pity from me, or most of society. People aren't "telling you what to do".
They're giving you legitimate advice.
People become more attractive by learning skills, whether they're socially based or not. And that's what I am suggesting. Make a change in your life that makes you happier.
Defining everyone's advice as grandstanding is the coward's way out.
The problem is you.
Not society. If society works for the vast majority of men, who find women to love, care for, etc.. and have that love and care reciprocated, and you can't, what's more likely?
All of those men are being duped, or you're doing something wrong?
Admitting that the source of the issue takes courage, and courage is not what you're displaying.
And I'll give advice when I feel like it.
My goal isn't to demean for the sake of demeaning. It's to get a kick, a reaction, a positive change. I don't want people to be incels. It sounds like shit.
But I'm not going to pity you, because I don't pity people who suffer from self-inflicted wounds.
Of course you do. It's normal. Everyone gets frustrated, and I can only imagine that frustration continually building. I understand that.
Therapy is indeed very helpful, and I applaud you for thinking it's a possibility when you do get some extra cash.
But you can also take productive steps in your own life, outside of a therapeutic situation.
Therapy will only work so long as you engage with it. If you start to engage prior to even going to therapy, chances are it will work. Therapy isn't a quick fix; you're going to have to take the same steps regardless.
And what solution is that?
So far, I've not heard of any current solution. I've heard excuses. Some of which I don't doubt are entirely valid.
But they are still excuses.
Stop using the word "unlucky". It'll just reinforce the notion that you are the victim and society is the cause.
You are not unlucky. You just don't have the skills. Why you don't have them is irrelevant to your current plight. You know what you need to do, so you say, and therefore where to go.
No one is born with social skills. No one is born a sweat talking pussy magnet. That is learnt behavior. And you don't need to be a smooth talking pussy magnet to find emotional fulfillment. And yet by using the word "unlucky", you're essentially removing yourself and the role you can play in fixing the issue.
I don't.
This really is a sticking point for you, isn't it?
Fine, I take it back. You don't have sub-par hygiene.
Such as?
What examples do you have?
But it hasn't.
Society isn't bent to feed women sex, or sexual power. Women want sex as much as men. Women can be pigs like men. Women are not these mythical beasts of sexual gatekeeping that abhor any but the purest of Chad genes.
Then don't expect any positive results.
If you see women as goldiggers and sluts, then they'll treat you like an entitled pig. At which point you'll treat them even more like goldiggers and sluts, and then they'll despise you.
It depends what you want: a solution or just to wallow in your own filth.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Really? Many of us have jobs and some have successful careers as well. Last time I checked, only the professions like in the IT sector don't require people to keep at least marginal appearances. Which skills are you talking about, by the way? Social skills? Attractive people don't need to excessively hone their social skills, because the rest of the people will do that for them.
But that's beside the point. You are, again, generalizing people based only on text and your preconceived notions. You either are oblivious or you do it on purpose.
Please give me the definition of "entitlement". It really is a bit of a sticking point for me, because I keep seeing the narrative that we have a sense of "entitlement". It's probably because you and I have a different definition of it, so enlighten me, please, I'd really appreciate it.
Now that's just a disingenuous trick. When groups form, they have something in common, that's why they are groups. However, there's a fine line between stereotypy and "pointing out the similar traits of the group", the one you've crossed.
I'm beginning to think there's a legitimate gap of understanding between us and "normal" people. That's probably the case. What you see as "wallowing in self-pity", we see as venting that allows us to continue functioning as productive members of society (or just functioning, if we're talking about NEETs).
I'd like to also point out that for the most part, what is being given out is not a legit advice by any means. First of all, it is given out often while not being asked for. Second of all, the "advice" that is being given out is often generalized, not accounting for circumstances of the current situation of the person it's being given to. That, in turn, leads to further frustration and alienation of the person, because that person considers others who give such advice at best as facetious and at worst - malicious.
Because I feel particularly jesty (and partly because I'd like to humour myself be anticipating your response and the following platitude), I'd like to ask: would learning Accounting make someone more attractive?
Because for the most part, as I've already mentioned above: most of the time the advice that is being given is often generalized and not taking into consideration circumstances of the person it's being given to. If you clearly care about the person, then get to know them first before giving any advice. If you don't care about the person, it's better for you to keep quiet, trust me. It makes you a much more honest and morally wholesome person.
Part 2 coming up.
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
The skills in question can be anything, really. Learning to play an instrument. Having a hobby. Working out. Learning a new language. They can be new experiences. Essentially, anything that makes you interesting to talk to.
Attractive people don't need to excessively work on their social skills, but they do need to work on them. Being good looking may get you a lay now and then. But if your hole is one of lack of emotional closeness, being simply attractive isn't enough. If you're boring as fuck, and do nothing of note in your daily activities, then you're only good for a quick session.
So I'm wrong to generalize based on the text of what people are themselves saying?
Thinking that you deserve companionship, whether that's in the form of sex or emotional bonds.
You don't. You need to work for it. No one deserves the time of another human being.
I fully disagree. The stereotyping I have partaken in is with regards to what defines inceldom.
I haven't said you're all white, which is irrelevant to being an incel. Or that you're all in IT, which is also irrelevant.
And what form does that venting take?
I've perused various incel forums, and I know what form that venting takes. Memes, complaints about Chad, memes, complaints about cock carrousels, memes and that women have all the power as sexual gatekeepers.
So you're just screaming into the ether.
It is generalized, yes. Because, as you rightly point out, you cannot know everyone's personal stories.
But they are guidelines. Not TODO lists.
I see you as lazy, to be totally frank.
And slightly cowardly. You've let the very real and understandable fear of rejection fundamentally control your life to the point where it's having serious negative consequences on your every day living standards and psyche.
This very obviously bothers you, the loneliness. And it is understandable.
But the problem isn't society, or else this would be far more common than it is. It isn't women, or else this would be far more common than it is.
To some people: YES. Not everyone. But some people will find the ambition itself interesting. Some people will be attracted to the idea of someone who studied something outside the reach of others. It's a more unique selling point.
Accounting obviously won't work on everyone; which again is why the advice seems to be so general. Because women are not a monolith. Certain things will work wonders on one woman, and won't on another.
Even if that was the case, and I got to know every single person in this subreddit, my responses would have some coherency. There would be things that would come back, time and time again.
Learn a skill, language, instrument, something that gives you an edge.
Get used to talking to more women, not with the intent of sleeping with them initially, but just getting more comfortable about them. This will take time, you'll get shot down and hurt, but you have no other choice but to pick yourself up and try again.
What works on woman A will not on woman B, and you must accept the pain that comes with rejection.
Part 2 responses on Part 2.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Please correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked, you need hobbies because you like them and not to make yourself interesting to the opposing sex. You're obviously of a different opinion, right? I mean, I do not presume you represent the entire collective of "normal" people but there seem to be a strange divide among them about why do you need hobbies. Some say that you need active hobbies, because people like active people, some say that you don't need to try so hard and that you should be genuine in what you're doing? What's your opinion on that?
Yes. What people say doesn't reflect what people do or how they behave, as paradoxical as it is.
What if you get zero during your entire life? You don't know to which direction you're moving and all your life you're receiving mixed messages and your observations make you even more confused.
Considering that not all attractive people are psychopaths (which is obviously the truth, there are many kind and selfless attractive people), they are able to learn on their mistakes and actually improve themselves enough to get not just sex but emotional closeness (provided their partners don't want to do their job for them. I've seen so many times when their partners literally give everything they've got to stay with them. Considering these people being adulterers, cheaters and liars, I wonder what made people do the things they did).
But when you literally got nothing, how are you supposed to learn? You see all these people getting into relationships, appearing so natural and people you're trying to approach literally refuse to give you the time of day. No, nobody's entitled to anything but if one is to learn, one has to make mistakes, however, how can you make mistakes you're not even let to do anything meaningful?
I'd direct you to the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Do you consider people being entitled to food and shelter? It's not a false equivalence, if we consider people to be entitled to something and not entitled to other things, we're drawing an arbitrary line. Where's that line and where do you draw it?
Last time I checked, you've made a stereotypization which fits the famous Internet stereotype of an unkempt neckbeard. That does not define inceldom.
Yes, basically. This is venting, to determine whether we mean it or not, you should talk to separate people, not indulge yourself in stereotypy.
YES! How hard it is to understand that spaces like these are basically genuine lonely people screaming into the ether, because of they scream in RL, they might be misunderstood, to say the least.
Every problem requires a solution. If you're providing an advice, you're providing a TO DO list. The original meaning of the word, from which the word "advice" comes from is "to give judgement". If you're passing judgement, then you know the better way. If you imply that you know the better way, then you should be held accountable and provide the guidance for people who don't. Otherwise, what's the point of you giving and essentially saying "you should get better but I won't tell you how, it's up to you"? People can find that out without you.
Excellent, you're passing the judgement without even knowin the circumstances of my life and where I come from. I'm sure you'd do just sweet should you spend a day in my shoes. Oh wait, everybody says that until I show them the extent of my circumstances then it's "I hope things get better for you". What use is your sympathy to me, when you've insinuated that you know better but now you're at the loss for words?
Also, care to expand on your judgement? You've analyzed all aspects of me and decided that I'm exactly lazy and cowardly, right? Here I'm actually interested in your opinion.
Are you talking about inceldom? Then yes. If we detach from this silly notion, then we'll see that problems with societal sexual dynamics are far more common than you'd like to admit. The difference is that some aspects of those problems became so normalized, they are considered a feature and not a bug.
It kind of folds into my question about hobbies above. Besides, this advice is often framed as an absolute truth without any shades of grey. Perhaps people who give it should be mindful when giving it? Because if we'd take a closer look at those people, we'd see that they have a lot of problems of their own and often they give this kind of advice to feel better about themselves.
Excatly, they would have much more coherency, because instead of giving a generalized advice about everything, you'd pinpoint specific problems about them. The different problem would be that they'd still be frustrated about failures and need an outlet to voice those frustrations. Considering how many of us have been or are socially stunted due to different circumstances of life (the ones, that obviously prevented us to become "normal"), something tells me we'd still be back to a place like this subreddit.
My personal experience (experiences of people here also seem to echo that) is that learning stuff is giving you an edge in employment, not in romantic life.
I speak four languages and so far it hasn't given me any edge. I know some stuff and it also gave me zero edge in romantic life.
Befriending women gives you friends, not potential romantic partners. Tried by me as well. They are good friends (until they get partners and grow distant).
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
No, not at all.
You don't discover hobbies with the goal of making yourself more attractive. But it's a side-effect.
If you spend most of your month only partaking in a single hobby, maybe also try and find something else you like?
You can do both. My hobbies are gaming, painting and collecting WH:40K, going to the gym and SCUBA diving. It's all over the shop. Some are not what would be considered traditionally "sexy" hobbies, but I couldn't give a fuck. And I didn't choose gym and SCUBA because I thought it would be "sexy", but because I enjoy them.
You can kill two birds with one stone. I'd say diversity of activities that you enjoy is important.
Totally disagree. Your words are a representation and manifestation of your mental state and beliefs.
I don't talk about stuff that I fundamentally don't agree with or don't adhere to. I take part in some shitposting, of course, but the vast majority of my posts are inspired and informed by my views.
Then work at it.
And yeah, it's confusing. But you can't let that confusion block you off or put you in a place of intense fear. Because then you should do more damage to yourself, you feed the confusion and fear, and it's a cycle that's much more difficult to break.
They are not. And I'm not calling them psychopaths.
There's something far worse than being a psychopath: being boring.
And that's what most of the advice/guidelines are about. Being boring is a cardinal sin, and possibly the least attractive property anyone can have. In fact, it feeds into what I was saying above: find diversity in skills and hobbies.
Obviously, not everyone finds the same things boring, so no one can go into specifics.
It only appears natural.
If I look back at my first relationships, and even stuff I've done in far more recent times, I could bury my head in the sand in terms of self-induced cringe.
Ridicule doesn't kill. But fear of ridicule can ruin your life.
If you're not having people come towards you, but you want companionship, then you have to go towards them.
Early courtship is a bit like sales. Sometimes, you have to really put yourself out there to get your product known on the market. There are loads of other products out there. And women do the exact same thing. If you go to a bar and see a woman with a nice dress, makeup and some high-heel shoes, she is doing that for herself but also to some degree for others. We are all trying to sell what we have.
It's why we buy the clothes we buy, the cars we own, the watches, shoes, whatever.
The arbitrary line is where your needs cross into the land where they directly affect another human being and their desires and needs.
I understand the desire and need for companionship. However, you are not entitled to it. You cannot negatively or forcibly get another human being to feel that need.
Because a human being, contrarily to food or water, is a sentient being.
Not at all. The neckbeard does not necessarily suffer from social anxiety or an inability to talk to women. Neckbeards tend to reject social norms, not suffer from what I mentioned before.
But venting is based in reality.
Again: venting is never entirely devoid of real life significance.
That is not possible due to the individual nature of not only the men to whom this advice is given, but also due to the individual nature of the women on the other side.
Again: the laziness.
I can't fix your problems. I can't come up with a TODO list to get the woman of your dreams. I can make general suggestions that would tend you towards a greater chance of success. But if you don't make the jump, the effort, do the work, then it's worthless.
And it also doesn't take into account that, again, what works for woman A will not work on woman B. These are general ideas and tendencies.
Because the general trends don't seem to be understood.
The general ideas about what tends to make someone more attractive than someone else doesn't seem to be understood.
It seems to be based in two camps:
Superficial beauty (which you can actually work at; Chris Hemsworth wouldn't be half as much of a stud muffin if he didn't work out like an absolute monster beast).
Cash flow (which you can actually work at, too).
But there's more to it than that.
It was a rhetorical you. The incel you.
I've said before: I don't give sympathy.
You can get that from other incels. I'm not here to be an emotional balm. I'm explaining that the nature of your fundamental issue stems from you; namely, the answer to your issue can and will only be brought about by you. No one else.
The rhetorical you.
Why lazy?
First off, the arguments used about "lucky genes" and the like. How many really attractive men don't work out like fucking pigs? Name any man whose generally regarded as a hunk, and you'll end up with someone who goes to the gym 5, 6, 7 days a week. This is not luck. This is hard work. It's discipline.
But you see that and think: lucky. Again: rhetorical you.
And cowardly, because you fail to identify the underlying cause because it requires you to place the solution to your problems solely on you, preferring to aim bile at women for being gatekeepers.
But how can they be common or normalized if they are inherently not normal. The vast majority of men, by a staggering majority, are not incels.
And that is attractive to some people.
It isn't all; it won't turn you into a pussy magnet. But it's something to be proud of, and to use that pride to give yourself self-confidence.
I didn't say end it at that. But go at it little by little.
Be comfortable about women as friends.
Then try and meet other women, and try and be a bit more flirtatious. You'll get shot down, brutally sometimes, and you'll have to pick yourself back up.
I'm not saying go from stranger -> friends -> girlfriend. I'm saying get generally comfortable about women.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
So basically, find hobbies for people but don't find hobbies for people? Do you realize that this sounds rather...schizophrenic? It seems like you're accusing me of mental duplicity but you're partaking in it yourself.
I spend most of my month working 10 hours a day to make a living. I haven't had a vacation in three years, because there's always something that needs addressing and that requires money.
It leaves little room for any additional hobbies that I may find interesting because I'd simply have no money for them. And yeah, your hobbies would never land you a romantic partner unless a rare matchup happens and approaching a hobby with an intent to "kill two birds with one stone" is silly, IMO and only sets you up for a fail.
What you're doing is advocating for collective responsibility. If you agree with certain points made by a community which is famous for its' misogynistic beliefs, as long as those points are not misogynistic themselves, your association with that group doesn't make you a misogynist.
How do you delineate "desire" and "entitlement". Is the one you agree with "desire" and the other - "entitlement"? That would explain your shoddy reasoning.
Again, your purposeful obtuseness doesn't make you cute.
If you cannot detailed advice, or at least provide some level of detail, then be quiet. Your opinion is worth zero and utterly unappreciated because there are millions like you, who are ready to spout the same kind of advice readily. Be above the crowd, why don't you?
General ideas have been available on the Internet for people to be accessed since its' inception and in human oral knowledge since eternity. Another problem is that female sexuality is basically unrestricted in the West and those oral rules of the game have been rendered obsolete but again, as I often say in our conversation, that's beside the point.
To reiterate. If you can't provide a detailed solution to someone who can't fix their problems on their own, then you'd serve well not to provide any "advice" whatsoever.
At the core of understanding of the world by people here lies the staple of the Red Pill, which says that a rhetorical woman values only three things in her partner: Looks, money and status. Some go as far as to consider these factors the ONLY factors that make a woman select their partners but I consider those - primary requirements. If you meet at least one of those, then your personality can make any meaningful impact on your selection.
What's that?
Who's the cowardly now?
Listen, tough love dispenser, what makes you think that what you're saying is unique and actually meaningful? I'm genuinely curious, tehee. Majority of us are well aware of the nature of life and the Universe, we just have the nerve to complain about it.
We can argue about the genetic predisposition, environmental factors and nutrition one received during formative periods of life, which seprates an attractive person from a gymrat. Attractive people can be highly disciplined but the end result of their work would be a much more visible one compared to an unattractive person with a six-pack. It's better to be an unattractive person with a six-pack than without it though, sure.
First of all, are you a protector of women? If women are offended, they're free to venture to this place. Yes, they might get trashed but this is the Internet. If they want to argue their point, they need to be ready to argue their point without anyone coddling them. They can get coddling from the rest of humanity. Second, some problems cannot be fixed. You literally cannot fix your genetic makeup, you can make the most of it but if you're a zero in the eyes of women, then you will remain a zero but with broad shoulders and swole arms. You cannot choose to literally ignore your ego, though, unless you're a masochist that enjoys pain as its' own reward. Any life experience for it to continue should have both successes and failures. If you only have failures, then many life experiences are usually discarded, because what use is non-existing self-esteem if you still want to achieve something besides companionship?
In the field, you've chosen? Yes. But it won't translate into self-confidence in the outside world, because the majority of people are not into the field you've chosen, ergo your achievements mean nothing to them. This is also an erroneous approach, IMO.
That implies that one doesn't have women as friends. We do, however that's all that they remain. If we try to approach women without knowing them, we're considered creeps. If we try to approach women we've befriended, we're usually considered as "trying to get into their pants".
You can't really win here, hence the nihilistic attitude.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
We actually agree here, in case you haven't noticed here.
I would like you to give me the definition of "working" in this case because blanket statements are good for dishonestly arguing your point but upon a closer examination, they worth shit.
Something wrong beyond being just unwanted? Yes, of course, but only after rejection after rejection after rejection. Being bitter doesn't come on its' own but yeah, obviously being bitter could totally be a choice, right?
Don't expect to be praised for an advice many people think were faulty and uncalled for.
But you're still demeaning and it's achieving results but only not the results you're hoping for. Or maybe that's what you're aiming for, who knows.
First of all, I didn't ask for your pity. In fact, I wasn't reaching out to people like you for pity. You came here (well, okay, I pinged you but only because I found your message especially aggravating) and started assuming stuff.
Also,
Then what's your problem and people like you? You say you understand and at the same time you're asking people to shut up and not to express the raw emotion they have inside themselves. Care to explain what's up with that?
I didn't ask for your validation, you're not my friend and I'm not asking from you, so stop even marginally pretending that you're giving a crap beyond you puffing your chest showing off how virtuous you are.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Once again, banality to the rescue. Do you actually think I didn't know that without you?
I dump my raw emotions and commiserate about my failures with the people who can actually understand what I'm going through and don't insult my intelligence with bad faith advice and pretending that they actually care.
First of all, I'm going to use any word I please. Second of all, you have inferred that I blame society. I don't, personally. You'd do best to stop generalizing people that engage with you, you're not going to go far with that kind of attitude. Which is kind of ironic, because you keep exhibiting banal and primitive biases that can be successfully corrected by you expanding your worldview, instead of being stuck being a narrow-minded buffoon that you are.
Third, everything in this world is bound to chance. Any of your actions directly influence the percentage of certain outcome happening but guarantee nothing. It's possible to do everything absolutely right and still fail. Something this society seems to be conveniently ignoring, when it comes down to incels. People are not born bitter, they become bitter. When you are removing outside influences that influence any action in the Universe, including someone's success at socialization and romantic life, you are invalidating people of their experience by placing the blame for everything on them.
I would like to ask you if you are actually interested in what I am doing, because if that's a curiosity in order to poke the flaws in the argument and not connect, then I would rather not tell you, since it would serve no purpose but to give you a "gotcha" moment as in "diz iz y u incel".
Part III.
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
I have not.
You specifically said that society is bent towards benefiting women in this case. That is an act of separation from blame. You are putting the fault on society, not yourselves.
This is, sadly, horseshit.
How many men define themselves as incels, or attach themselves to the ideas of inceldom?
A tiny minority of men. "Working" in this case is for men who do find some sort of companionship that they find fulfilling, whether its sexual or emotional, that fulfills their needs.
I've been shot down more times than I can fucking count. I've been shot down multiple times in a night. I've been shot down by people for whom I'd developed strong emotional feelings. I've been cheated on. I've been left for my best friend a week after being dumped.
You seem to think you have some sort of monopoly on rejection, or bad experiences with women and relationships.
The only difference between an incel and a non-incel is that the latter got back up, dusted themselves off, and then charged into the breach again.
If that doesn't sound like something you want to do, fair play. I won't judge you. Go MGTOW.
But if the loneliness eats away at you, and hurts you, and stops you from enjoying life to its fullest, then brush yourself off, get back up, and charge in again.
There. Is. No. Other. Option.
I'm not asking for praise.
I posted this knowing full-well that it would be downvoted, and disputed. I have no issue with that.
But my advice still stands as general guidelines for anyone who wants to leave inceldom.
Because coddling you and telling you that you're right, the world is so mean, that women are too picky, etc... is just flat out wrong.
That's why it's demeaning. Because the problem is you.
When the raw emotion is then spewed back at you constantly, like in this subreddit, reinforcing damaging notions about women as a whole, then yeah... That's just feeding a neurosis that will actively hurt you get out of inceldom.
I was being sincere.
But fuck you if you prefer? I don't know what tone you want me to use; I'll probably just get accused of giving cookie-cutter excuses, virtue signalling, and whatever the fuck else.
Then what are you waiting for?
Get off your ass and do something about it. Don't even respond to this comment.
Go. And. Do. Something. About. It.
You're like an obese person complaining about their weight while sitting down and shoveling food into their gaping maw.
So it's venting. Nothing else. Nothing productive.
Just venting.
Fair enough; but it'll just continue to subconsciously remind you that you're the victim.
And:
Would suggest that you're blaming society.
Yes.
You can fail.
And?
Do you want to go and have a whimper over there in the corner? Accept failure? Or keep going?
People are not born bitter, they let themselves become bitter.
See above: I've had plenty of reasons to become bitter and shut myself off from women and relationships. But I didn't, because I wanted emotional bonds with women. I
I am not placing the blame for everything on them.
I even accepted: how you got into the situation you are currently is irrelevant.
The only thing that matters is: how do you get out of it. In the former statement, maybe you had shitty parents who didn't put you in an environment where you could learn basic social skills. Maybe you got rejected particularly hard multiple times. Maybe the girls you fell in love with were just dicks.
It's irrelevant why.
What's important is how do you fix it?
I am respectfully asking.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
It's possible to be frustrated about the society and plain hate and blame oneself. I don't see any particular disconnect here.
If we confine ourselves to a discussion about "inceldom", then yes. However, divorce rates, for example, suggest that these needs are unmet. There are other factors as well, I'm not trying to stick to something singular, I'm just naming what I can remember off the top of my head.
You were still successful. You at least know general bearings.
See what I mean about the gap of understanding. At some point you were successful, so you're able to see what benefits you and what doesn't. What about people who filed every. single. time. in their lives? How should a person like that know which way he should take? Especially when he finds out that advice he was giving is a bunch of hooey?
That's the difference, being at least partially successful vs. never having to experience anything like that.
Your guidelines are too general. Besides, everybody here is aware what are the general guidelines for leaving inceldom. We are missing crucial understanding of the guidelines, because when we take them at the face value, then we're told that we're morons. And no, this is not a request for pity, just stating the fact.
I appreciate your concern but my notions about women are formed from seeing my colleagues and my acquaintances and not from this subreddit. Reality is much weirder than any Internet community.
I always knew that fatpeoplehate was in fact populated by normies mostly. Usually they were quite insecure too but that's beside the point.
Do you have a different perception of time? Because the process, as you acknowledged yourself takes time, days, months and years. What you're actually telling me is to shut up and not complain and no, I won't stop. I need to have an outlet for negative emotions. It's quite possible to both complain and improve yourself.
You see it as a non-productive exercise, I see it as a release. I'm dumping here my negative emotions that would've otherwise gone to my colleague, my mother, my friends.
We have a different understanding of the word "victim", apparently.
It's quite possible to acknowledge faults in society but not place the blame on your current situation entirely on it. You want me to actually blame society, don't you? Because you'd have an irrefutrable proof of my problems and that would require an immediate fix. No, I don't blame it, I just acknowledge it sucks.
Can I have both? Can I complain and keep going? I understand it's unpleasant for you to hear complaints but that's who we are. We can't keep silent any longer, we need a release. Weird people are people too and they too have a limit on how much they can bottle up.
Certain things you can fix, certain fix you can't. Certain things you can only accept. No, it doesn't mean you gotta stop trying but it doesn't mean it's as easy as pie. Different people have different reactions to different things.
Trying to save up money for hernia sugery.
Trying to save up money for psychotherapy.
Getting at least marginally decent clothes. Making sure I have footwear without holes to wear.
Planning to get lifting again after I fix hernia. If I don't get approval from doctors, then at least get them to tell me what I need to do to get fit.
Paying off debts I accrued when I was running away from the war.
Paying off debts that I took in my name when I and my friend were trying to run a business and then he turned out to be a grade-A cunt.
You can say that debt repayment isn't exactly betterment but it is. When I don't owe anyone anything, I sleep better. Unfortunately, this is a long way away from completion.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
You're not being cute right, just saying.
Yes, it has. It has come to the point that woman's word is valued more than a man's word. Women die later, live longer and healthier, they're more successful, they graduate more often. Despite all that, however, they're still trying to present themselves as victims with no agency.
And yes, they are the gatekeepers of sex, they're the selective sex and it's the biological imperative to find the most suitable mate for them to procreate. The infuriating part is that many women vehemently deny that for social points. If women'd be much more upfront about their attraction (and no, don't give me bullshit about them being afraid of men, they have the full extent of the protection by the law in the Western world), then the only people that'd stay in this community would be the deranged tradcons.
The chicken or the egg?
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
That's simply not true.
You've spent too much time letting PC discourse on the internet poison your perception.
Obviously, there are women who are like that, but I've never met a single one in my entire life, through college, and afterwards. Women are... well... just like men.
You can blame that on testosterone.
Not on society.
Again: there's considerable evidence that testosterone makes men do stupid shit, and fucks up our tendency to make intelligent decisions.
That's not true.
The vast majority of CEOs, Directors, Execs, VCs, Engineers, etc... are men.
The tendency is towards equality, not domination.
That's true; they do in many western countries.
Getting degrees that have lesser market values. And?
See: here's the problem.
You don't like being treated as a generalization.
I get that. Fine.
And then you make this statement.
Do you understand why people have issues with incels when you make this sort of statement? You don't want to be a monolith, but all women are "trying to present themselves as victims with no agency".
Again, not only have you turned individuals into a monolith, you've then gone and mixed up PC internet discourse with actual human beings.
These women do exist. I'm not denying it. But to suggest that it is far reaching or even the norm is ludicrous.
Tell that to my various female friends when they get turned down by dudes.
But I will.
How much does the law protect you when some douchecanoe is beating the shit out of you?
Do you scream: But this is illegal! and he immediately stops?
Pro-tip: it doesn't work like that.
If you treat women like human beings, they'll treat you like a human being.
But you don't want to hear that.
1 zippygraham 2018-05-22
Who's going to tell this guy that having multi-page debates with incels on a weekday isn't what normal successful people do? Anyone?
1 BigLebowskiBot 2018-05-22
Is this a... what day is this?
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
Bank holiday where I am.
And I'll continue answering, because I think that inceldom probably stinks, but I don't think that congregations of incels is any way to solve the underlying problem.
But cheers for the concern.
1 zippygraham 2018-05-22
Bro in no world would a normal person write as much as you did. If you're pretending that you're a successful normie then you're delusional.
The Blackpill is reality. Women care immensely, and decisively, about the looks stemming from genetic quality in their potential partners. Denying this is denying the truth.
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
Oh ok. You're one of these types that i'll read about after driving a van into a crowd.
1 zippygraham 2018-05-22
What I said is hard fact, backed by evidence and common sense.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
He can type fast. I mean, I do. I type ~300 symbols a minute.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Yeah, except when I'm in real life, I see people with vaginas getting a pass in every aspect of life, just because they have vaginas and give birth to babies. They can be productive members of society and invent things but we still operate on notions that we need to be lenient to women because of that.
No, it's due to better healthcare for women and women being taught that it's okay to get help as soon as you feel you need it. Also due to the fact that retirement standards throughout the most of the world still let women retire around 10 years early than their male counterparts.
And yet in all but top tiers of the majority of industries (except for heavy parts of it, like metallurgy) they outearn men. Equality you say? I say the tilt is here.
And yet getting the higher education has been connected to better employment prospects in life. We sneer at GenderEd but they can get employed, in the meanwhile, even blue collar jobs now ask for a degree. I lucked out, many people like me aren't so lucky.
We actively show that we are not a monolithic group that unanimously hates women. We are composed of people of different races, creeds and social statuses united by nihilism and our unlovability. Society does us jack but denigrate and has the gall to say that we shouldn't complain.
Women with an active societal position in the West, however, have the entire support of the State, the Law and Social Opinion. Yet they still argue that they face prejudice from men, they still don't feel safe around men and they would prefer it would change. You know how you see whether they mean it or not? By looking at the people these women date.
These women, who have an active stance on these matters usually date the typical specimen of classical human masculinity, the ones who (as it has been established by feministic theory) embody Patriarchy and likely to perpetuate those things they are vehemently against.
It's the norm, especially considering that people who espouse feministic theory have unfettered access to media, whereas MRE (for all their batshittery) are branded as misogynist pigs. They do nothing more, however, but extend the feministic theory (something that has been said argues for equal rights between sexes) to men.
I fail to see your point.
What if you treat them like human beings but they treat you like shit? What happens then?
1 xxSharktits_snipeRxx 2018-05-22
interest theory there bucko, except the system was rigged for 200 years against women and blacks. What precisely have they burned down? America is the richest and most powerful country on the planet. Really makes you think.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
patriarchy is tried, true, and tested for the last 10,000 years.
The feminist experiment has been tried in the past and all those civilization collapsed catastrophically.
If only we could meet in 100 years to say I told you so.
1 xxSharktits_snipeRxx 2018-05-22
You're so desperate to sound intelligent that you don't realize there is a literal A-B test sitting right in front of you.
15% of China's men literally do not have a female counterpart in the country. They are ordained to maintain single by demographics. Male child preference was always a thing in China, but the One Child Policy in 1979 put that belief to the test and drove that inequity up 10% to the 15% mark we see today.
Since then, the Chinese government has lifted literally ONE BILLION of its citizens out of poverty.
You sit at the heel of a charlatan because his advice comforts you.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
Its good that you brought up china
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/asia_pacific/comrade-meet-cupid--young-communists-play-matchmaker-for-chinas-millennials/2018/01/11/3da12de4-f2c4-11e7-90ed-77167c6861f2_story.html
The chinese government is actually quite concerned about the number of single men. Their biggest concern is civil unrest.
Also cause and effect are not always immediate. We will see the true consequence of chinas gender imbalance in the next few decades
1 xxSharktits_snipeRxx 2018-05-22
Desperate Googling makes it clear you know very little about China, and that's okay. You should learn to argue in the facts of yesterday or today rather than soothsay about tomorrow. For what it's worth, single men are certainly the most dangerous demographic in a time of violent revolution. But life in China has only been getting better, so there's comparatively less that the population has to be upset and protest about.
Have things gotten significantly better in the USA since 1979 for the majority of citizens? If the life promised to you by mommy and by the TV isn't the one you have, maybe you're right to be mad about it. Right now you blame Feminism, but Feminist didn't stall wage growth or grow the income gap. They told you that you should have a house and a wife by now, but without inter-generational wealth they didn't give you the tools to do it. So who are you going to be mad at?
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
Name me one matriarchal civilization thats still around today?
1 Liquid_Blue7 2018-05-22
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
1 earthmoves 2018-05-22
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they reach some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, of better education, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
religious fundamentalism seems to be an x factor though.
I know so many muslim (me being one) living in Canada who have 5+ kids even though its a huge financial burden on them. They simply dont care. Their is a concept in islam called rizq and a lot of muslims purposely kids.
This + low birth rates amongst the native whites and hence more immigration is a recipe for population replacement.
It will take time but eventually whites will be a minority in the west and patriarchal order will take its place with Islamic, fundamentalist christian values.
1 Grand_boy 2018-05-22
The industrial revolution and the agricultural revolution as well as scientific revolutions before that are the work of societies that practise stable long term monogamy as law and costume. even before that monogamists societies would be long, rich and stable. Only after the material wealth created by this societies be so large as to allow matriarchal practises and hedonism to form and take over would said hedonistic societies be created. The hedonism did not create this wealth it was a byproduct of it, one that rots the society. Then a century later the civilisation would collapse and be relapsed by another.
1 earthmoves 2018-05-22
There is absolutely no evidence that "hedonism" causes societies to collapse. The only person you can cite who isn't a religious reactionary is J.D. Unwin, but even he is very tenuous of a source.
The industrial revolution did not come about *because* societies "practiced" long term monogamy in law or costume. The idea that societies in the abstract practiced any sort of sexual monogamy is somewhat ridiculous, all things considered. Greek pederasty is the first thing that comes to mind. The history of sexuality is not what you think it is. It was the Victorian era that largely brought about a "sex-negative" culture.
1 Grand_boy 2018-05-22
First of all pederasty was not as common as people like to think. And in many areas looked down on. So socialital structure exists for a thousand years and then collapses within a century after it turns hedonistic? From Rome to Babylon to classical japan (although that was more a case of upper class hidonism) you see the same patterns. Men work to provide for family and society. In exchange they got a family and the support from society. You break that down society simply will grind to a hault and collapse. Because men will only produce for them selves. They have no reason to provide anymore then the minimum to survive. Also like it happened in the collapse of rome they would refuse to join the army or even worse in mass join the invading conquerors, because of a hate of there society.
1 earthmoves 2018-05-22
Again, there's no good evidence to support those narratives. If you have some, I would honestly love to see it.
It also seems like you don't understand how capitalism works. It is no longer the case that men do all the labor, and women maintain home life. In your theoretical example, if men drop out of the labor force, it wouldn't matter. Women already work to provide for themselves, this has been the case since well into the 20th Century.
Also, again, I don't know where you're getting this idea from, but it sounds a hell of a lot like J.D. Unwin, someone commonly cited by ideologues like Black Pigeon Speaks and people like him. If that's the case, then I have a video or two (or three) that responds to this idea very very well.
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1 Grand_boy 2018-05-22
Let me leave you with something to think about. Most roman emperors , Augustus for example, that would have been considered great were in a constant struggle to try to get men to marry and settle down and woman to not cheat and also marry. They were smart calculating men. They for most part didn't do this because of any "traditional beliefs" they did this because they knew that if they didn't at least curb the hedonism then there empires would die. They would have no troops to pool from, there tax beds would evaporate and civil strife would have been massive. Babylon fall from grace was proceeded by laws about child support for woman much like our own. Also men still maintain and protect society. Although some woman do support society and maintain ,most importantly nurses and teachers, the vast majority of woman are employed in fields like bureaucracy, accounting, HR and PR, as well as very low level jobs and jobs design to serve only females. Those jobs aren't a net positive for society and as it stands are far too bloated and are only byproducts of legal and bureaucratic expansion. Men are the engines and protectors of society if they stops all of society will shatter.
1 Grand_boy 2018-05-22
mate why 500 years? You could have said more then 100 and the only once would have been some random desert tribes that are completely illiterate.
1 phanta_rei 2018-05-22
So which civilizations collapsed because of "feminism"?
1 phanta_rei 2018-05-22
So which civilizations collapsed because of "feminism"?
1 Liquid_Blue7 2018-05-22
Where does Jordan Peterson say this specifically, I'm very curious.
1 mittrinilli 2018-05-22
It's good you pointed this out. History repeats itself. Every matriarchal society in the past has collapsed spectacularly. What we are seeing now is nothing new.
1 T-Earl-Grey-Hot 2018-05-22
[mfw](https://i.imgur.com/K9iWT8a.gif)
1 eyewant 2018-05-22
Whats the context?
1 Legoman24 2018-05-22
Women are evil.
1 eyewant 2018-05-22
Lol @ how your comment contradicts the comment next to you
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-05-22
There’s a short Wikipedia article in the “women are wonderful effect.”
1 eyewant 2018-05-22
Thanks Ive known of it for years actually.
1 WritingThrow_Away 2018-05-22
women are wonderful
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
All women are queens.
1 TheiWindFelt 2018-05-22
Doubt anyone knows
1 Diesel_Fixer 2018-05-22
Sad lil kid graduates expecting women to fall over themselves for his penis. Jesus this sub is sad, y'all gotta stop being fucking creeps.
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1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
I suggest you being banned and brining back botcel
1 YallBot1000 2018-05-22
I am mere machine. I cannot bring back a god.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
hack into spez's account
1 Geleg456 2018-05-22
Howdy!
1 Diesel_Fixer 2018-05-22
Kansas man here. Midwest sneaks out at times.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
no it was your cucktears sneaking out
1 Uggocel 2018-05-22
When did the kid in this soundless gif suggest that? How delusional can you be?
1 Diesel_Fixer 2018-05-22
It's the context it was posted in. What this creepy ass sub is based on.
1 depression_reddit 2018-05-22
Who couldn't see that she was kissing just to make him jealous?
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
sub8 are invisible to roasties, they are literally ghosts to her.
1 LaxusLightning 2018-05-22
Lol did you see how she was eyeing the Chads body after kissing him? That looks like true attraction to me boyo
1 depression_reddit 2018-05-22
Most low IQ bullshit I've heard ever
If anyone else posted the same comment they wouldn't get downvoted by retards who want to convince themselves that femoids don't want to torture sub8 males?
1 Dellrup 2018-05-22
How can she do this
1 bcomax1000 2018-05-22
Chad can not be resisted.
1 Hoeasss 2018-05-22
High octane suicide fuel
1 SnowMan878 2018-05-22
Chad only need to stay there
1 Virion85 2018-05-22
All my degree has done is help me get a job that is slightly better than the fast food job I had in high school. It's never helped me with women. I'm 32.
1 jojo_31 2018-05-22
Let me guess gender studies?
1 Virion85 2018-05-22
Biology
1 RazzlePrince 2018-05-22
lol what's the difference
1 Thano69 2018-05-22
Lol as if lab managers and senior scientists didn’t make absolute bank
1 purple_potatoes 2018-05-22
Senior scientists have PhDs. BS-level lab manager absolutely do not make bank.
1 Virion85 2018-05-22
I can't say for sure, but I assume that Gender Studies majors didn't have to take calculus, chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemistry, molecular biology, genetics and physics.
1 PerfectFormCel 2018-05-22
ouch
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
biology is basically the study of roasties wanting chads why did you go into that
1 Virion85 2018-05-22
I was on the molecular side; never really took any organismal courses. Evolution was more about population level stuff than natural selection. Ultimately, I thought it was interesting, and thought I would go to graduate school. It turned out that I was too dumb for that.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
chad has a few more molecules in his chin that's all
1 Virion85 2018-05-22
Yeah, I mean those few millimeters of bone have to come from somewhere...
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
kekmate
1 lukaku96 2018-05-22
Lol isn’t it possible that...oh I don’t know...those two are dating and one is simply related to the kid graduating?
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-22
thats kind of the point. Chad is dating a dime piece and the incel is an incel.
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-22
Where's the kid's girlfriend on this momentous graduation day? Oh wait, he doesn't have one. But the attractive relative is dating someone, so hot and heavy they can't stop kissing during the photoshoot.
1 DukeBluee 2018-05-22
How do we know he doesn't have one? He's getting his photo taken lol do you expect his gf to also be in there sucking his face? What if she's in the back waiting? Exactly we don't know lol.
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-22
It's his graduation day and photo shoot. If his relative came to watch, wouldn't his girlfriend be there too?
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-05-22
Why is this comment downvoted and the parent one upvoted? Get the fuck out normies.
1 changeIsTheWay 2018-05-22
They are brigading right now.
1 Moontide 2018-05-22
Because this is low in
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
hardcore brigading going on
1 blackpillnormie 2018-05-22
I hope all brigaders die a slow and painful death
1 sgtvaldax46 2018-05-22
Its not brigading to disagree with you.
1 blackpillnormie 2018-05-22
Lol it's brigading to annoy and spit platitudes.
1 PhucCheet 2018-05-22
cuckadoodledoo
1 redworm 2018-05-22
Let's be honest, given how weak and pathetic all of you appear when you're crying about the world do you really think you're capable of telling anyone to leave the subreddit?
I mean you could always just cry to the mods to remove people but doesn't that just reinforce your own lack of agency in the matter?
1 RegisteredLolicon 2018-05-22
Being a realist is crying ok
1 blackpillnormie 2018-05-22
Lol this sub is full cucked. I want you fucking invaders to die from cancer in your ass.
1 Plague-Lord 2018-05-22
Doesn't look that way, at the end he just walks off in a different direction from them. Also if they were there with him why do that right in front of him while his pic is being taken?
Your bluepilled cuckery is accidentally confirming the blackpill: this roastie is so enthralled by Chad's dick that she can't even keep her hands off of him for 2 seconds to acknowledge a sub-7 male.
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
Why the fuck should she acknowledge him? He’s clearly not her partner. Do you acknowledge every single individual you come within 15 feet of, regardless if you know them? That makes 0 fucking sense.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
It was an answer to the notion that the kid and the girl are related. If they were, the very least she would acknowledge him.
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
Even if that were the case there is no reason for her to acknowledge him at that exact moment. She came to HIS graduation AND the photo shoot. They could have had a conversation before and/or after that. Maybe her bf is the friend/relative to the guy. You have absolutely no idea what is happening here, and you are presenting it as proof that he is being ignored due to his appearance. Utter bullshit, you have no clue as to what is happening here.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Your mental gymnastics are astonishing. He doesn’t have a girlfriend like that despite studying and being dedicated and the guy has. End of story.
1 jrandall47 2018-05-22
How do you know that he doesn't though? Do you know him?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
You can use your brain to deduce it.
1 jrandall47 2018-05-22
What if his girlfriend ALSO graduated and is off talking to her family? You don't see any of his family there. There has to be a reason for that too! Or is it just that he's too scrawny and nerdy to have parents who care?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Yea, she’s probably in either Middle Earth or Narnia.
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
You are assuming 2 things: 1.) That the guy w/ a partner in the gif doesn’t have the same level of education 2.) That the guy having his photo taken doesn’t have a partner that is not present
You have 0 evidence to support your claim, and yet you suggest that others are taking liberties?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Yepp.
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
Oh I get it now, you’re an idiot. Glad we cleared that up.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Low IQ insult
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
Says the guy using the most common “insult” in this shithole of a sub.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Negative IQ retort.
1 ggbissett 2018-05-22
Fam you’re the biggest white knight I’ve seen ina long time, I bet you kiss hookers.
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
Haha dude I don’t have to fucking pay for sex. This had nothing to do with defending anyone anyways, it was just shit logic. You can’t watch a short video and deduce the back story of everyone involved.
1 redworm 2018-05-22
My goodness you people are pathetic. Why should studying have anything to do with a girlfriend? Do you think a girlfriend is something you have to earn through efforts in other areas?
Maybe if you people looked at women as human beings instead of trophies to be won you'd have better luck.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Looking at women as people has nothing to do with sexual success.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
I just noticed this, and I have to answer it. This is the standard advice incels get. Go to the gym, study, have a good job, have friends, etc. Yet somehow they don’t get girlfriends despite following this advice. Incels know mora than anyone else that women don’t like men for being successful, they like men who are good looking. That’s all.
1 darkhindu 2018-05-22
Maybe they're just shitty people and the advice is generally geared to make them less shitty.
Obviously if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel looks wise then yeah you're pretty fucked, but to say that a person with average or below average looks is fucked is a joke.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Well, below 4/10 you’re sort of fucked.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Well, below 4/10 you’re sort of fucked. You can get a woman to settle for you in your 30s and if you’re lucky you will get 1 or 2 relationships, but women won’t really be attracted to you, they’ll just settle.
1 RiverScout2 2018-05-22
Bizarre to assume the guy has no girlfriend. FWIW I broke up w/a marine to date my skinny, pale husband who has Aspergers. And I was 36-21-36 at the time. My Husband is smarter and funnier, which is much sexier. Then we got our graduate degrees together and have now been married 20 years.. Plenty of women like brainy men. Few like men who blame others for why they can’t get a date.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
Incels don’t blame others, they blame their genetics. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding.
1 RiverScout2 2018-05-22
I see the difference, but that’s still not a proactive approach to the problem, is it? I didn’t mean to make anyone here feel bad—I hoped our story would give hope. My husband could’ve said, “Damn, I’m a socially-awkward, scrawny pale intellectual. Nobody will ever date me,” but he didn’t . He asked me out, even though I was a popular, bubbly girl w/an hourglass figure and at least two dates a week. I chose HIM over all the other guys. I actually found his vulnerability and unwillingness to play dating “games” incredibly attractive . He’s brilliant and funny and takes charge of his own life. Not everybody looks like Brad Pitt, but a quality woman doesn’t care. You guys should remember that women only after looks aren’t worth having anyhow, anymore than a guy like that is. Plenty of us look for an interesting person rather than an Instagram post. We’re out there. Believe in yourself, live your life happily, and look for us. Isn’t that less depressing? From what I read here, the view of women is incredibly reductive even while y’all blame women of treating you guys reductively. Sure, some women do that. Who wants them? Ick! Why not believe in yourself and look for women who will do the same? Seriously, we are out there! We like smart guys! Nothing is sexier than a good mind.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-22
I only wish it was that easy. Truth is, no matter how great my personality is, women will choose the better-looking male with a comparable personality. Because women have options, unlike men.
1 RiverScout2 2018-05-22
I guarantee that many women have this problem, too. It’s no fun and I get that. But you WILL meet women—or heck, it only takes one, right? A woman—who likes what is unique about YOU, no matter what other guys she knows. It’s a frustrating thing to wait, and I get that. When we were single, my husband felt like you do b/c some women turned him down for dates; I felt frustrated that despite dating frequently I wasn’t finding a person I wanted to be with long term. But we found each other. I really think it can happen for you, too, and I wish you the very best of luck!😄
1 usernam028253954936 2018-05-22
You fell for the meme
1 hone_claws 2018-05-22
Unexpected lifefuel for manlets
1 deividasbertasius1 2018-05-22
The moral of this story is that little, weak guys like the one with a diploma will have to wage slave in order to get into relationship with women, yet they will never be desired as sex objects by women.
On the other hand, big, strong, "gorilla" are getting pussy relatively easily. Big and strong men simply have a higher value in the sexual market. They are actually seen as sex objects by women. Get it into your heads.
We people are quite primitive creatures after all. It's just that phenomenal personalities (Like Isaac Newton, for example) were making inventions that allow us (the trash, the gray matter) to breed in higher numbers.
1 otakuman47 2018-05-22
I am no where near the "gorilla" type male. I'm fairly thin guy, dating has never been a big issue to me. What's your log there?>The moral of this story is that little, weak guys like the one with a diploma will have to wage slave in order to get into relationship with women, yet they will never be desired as sex objects by women.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
teehee
1 MyNameIsDalton 2018-05-22
The point is that no woman will have a raw, primal attraction towards you.
1 ajkoch16 2018-05-22
Big deal. That's only part of the equation, and you can easily make up for it by just being confident in yourself.
1 MyNameIsDalton 2018-05-22
believe me when i say i’ve been confident, and it only earned me the rep of a serial killer.
1 SophisticatedDalek 2018-05-22
Seriously, whenever I ask a girl out that I know she runs and then avoids me...
1 Jacoblikesx 2018-05-22
Lmao I can almost see my ribs and it’s not stopping me
1 Hal_Inceldenza 2018-05-22
Maybe you are just dating disgusting hambeasts three times your weight or you are skinny but have a face like Chico Lachowski. Who knows?
1 Jacoblikesx 2018-05-22
Definitely neither of those
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-05-22
Cope. Our instincts in most other endeavors are completely under control. Women’s sexuality was as well until fairly recently, hence the plummet in the marriage rate and the rise in divorce and sexlessness.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
not cuz they were under control of their endeavors but cuz religion created by men kept them under control
has anyone here watched the show handmaid's tale? it would be life fuel except it just shows peggy from madmen being forced to have sex with a chad. it's secretly like 50 shades of grey and it's what women want to happen.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Entire layers of art are dedicated to inherent desire of a woman to get a partner, to branch swing.
It was never better, they were just more cautious about it.
Be careful what you wish for, the olden days aren't as good as you think they were.
1 changeIsTheWay 2018-05-22
+1
1 Jacoblikesx 2018-05-22
It’s just about confidence, and you know if you’ve got a problem with being small working out exists
1 marilenahaide 2018-05-22
"On the other hand, big, strong, "gorilla" type guys are getting pussy relatively easily" wait a minuttttttte . what do you guys call it?, gymcel?
So all of a sudden, people that go to the gym are better than non lifters?
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-22
no, face is always an implicit requirement. gymcels are ugly in the face but go to the gym anyways. either way his point is that having a good/large/masculine frame is attractive on its own, aka it's over for framelet manlets
1 changeIsTheWay 2018-05-22
Only if they have a good face, height, and frame.
1 Mr_Breast 2018-05-22
Look at how tall he is, and look at how little it matters. Simply being tall isn't enough to attract women, you have to have a myriad of other stuff going for you.
1 changeIsTheWay 2018-05-22
+1
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
hard to say what this chads face is like as he doesn't look at the camera but I bet it's great
1 Jacoblikesx 2018-05-22
Nope, just gotta not hate yourself and learn to have some confidence bud.
1 doooooooomed 2018-05-22
Not being a twig and having good hygiene help too.
1 darkdarkDog 2018-05-22
That guy is the perfect chad.
1 Ropeismycope23 2018-05-22
I've seen this clip a dozen times and everytime it makes me want to rope
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-22
B R U T A L R U T A L
1 chillenyo2 2018-05-22
Look how obsessed that red roastie is about making a statement that shes the sexually desired prize that decides who it goes too.
Women are so insecure. And she obviously never graduated.
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
reeeee
1 batatairan1 2018-05-22
The kid maybe don't even know what incel is, but he is suffering like all of us.
And inceltears users are mocking him. Browsing here gets me so sad bc I remember how people are cruel.
I wish the best for him.
1 Incel_cure 2018-05-22
Brutal...
1 sleepingforever1 2018-05-22
My heart hurts.
1 statefarmdank 2018-05-22
fake
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
why do they have to ruin his moment
1 rascal_king 2018-05-22
the problem is that most incels are barely capable of getting a degree. most of you are pretty dumb.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-22
I have one actually. The problem is most of the basic, gawking dumbfucks like you....are pretty damn stupid yourselves. You see a venting meme post and immediately go off on stupid beliefs and apply them to everyone here. Great judgement there, champ.
Lol, I'm not even gonna hear the rest of the shit you're going to say. It's the same condescending snark said every day. K, I'm done pointing out the your pointless comment with my own.
Have fun banging on a sound proof door!
1 rascal_king 2018-05-22
you're not smart.
1 circumventthisfgt 2018-05-22
Said the very not smart person.
1 rascal_king 2018-05-22
i do pretty well. also, i'm not an incel, so that's great.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
And you know that how, exactly?
1 vindicay2070 2018-05-22
Incel type guys dominate STEM. This is a fact. The future will be interesting.
1 Cold_Establishment 2018-05-22
I'm jerking off to this.
1 XenoditReborn 2018-05-22
absolutely fucking brutal
1 vindicay2070 2018-05-22
That was surprisingly deep.
Link please
1 Cissnowflake 2018-05-22
You can see that the graduating guy doesn’t exist for that woman. He literally has no place in her consciousness. It’s not that she wouldn’t care about his feelings (she doesn’t), but to her he doesn’t exist...............................
1 ordinaryotaku 2018-05-22
That's so fucking sad, it's like they made out in front of him on purpose.
1 Reddit5uck5 2018-05-22
That’s one thing that all beautiful women get off on. Giving sex and attention to studs in plain view of men that they know will never stand a chance.
1 ordinaryotaku 2018-05-22
That's such a cruel and unusual punishment for merely being alive.
1 Diesel_Fixer 2018-05-22
How am I the cuck? lol, this kid is thinking more about that girl than his future in his hands.
1 PurpleHeartedMedic 2018-05-22
I honestly could only pay attention to how that guy was just chomping on that girls fave like it was a cupcake.
1 Jet20 2018-05-22
> Don't worry, one day you'll be his boss :^)
1 raident30 2018-05-22
go get education, then money. then go your own way... mgtow is the future
1 headforthehills 2018-05-22
oof ouchie owie he had to do it to em his life finna get dabbed on 😫😫😫
1 King-Of-Virgins 2018-05-22
Absolute brutality
1 ___Fish___ 2018-05-22
I love how everyone here is twisting this to fit their shitty narrative
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Aren't you doing the same thing right now?
1 ___Fish___ 2018-05-22
Have I stated what was going on in the gif?
1 ricoue 2018-05-22
context? Source?
1 NewestNightmare 2018-05-22
Lifefuel for nosecels tbh
1 GREYnRED 2018-05-22
Suicide fuel
1 abominationz777 2018-05-22
Is that the smaller guys go? What's the context?
1 fuckingssthrowaway 2018-05-22
It's funny, /b/ can spam gore and I don't even flinch, but this hits hard.
1 sgtvaldax46 2018-05-22
Its a graduation, hes having photos taken against a backdrop seemingly in a communal area, so its likely there are other people waiting for the photographer, theres no indication that those people even know him is this community just angry every time they see 2 people in happy relationships
1 _THE_END_IS_NIGH_ 2018-05-22
They could have gone 5 minutes without pushing their tongues into each other, it's a special moment for the guy. Do they have to do it right then and there?
Do people who are lucky to be in relationships lose all sense of public decency and common sense? Are you gonna ruin someone's wedding photos by doing this while the photos are being taken?
1 sgtvaldax46 2018-05-22
World doesn't revolve around him or me or you or anybody else, hes part of a graduating class so its not just his special moment its a lot of peoples so why should they or anyone else change the way they celebrate a joyous occasion?
1 _THE_END_IS_NIGH_ 2018-05-22
But the world surely revolves around the guy in white and the woman in red.
Someone is graduating? Better shove my tongue down my guy. The world NEEDS to see it!!!!
Given the kind of character they have shown I bet they did the tongue wrestling in front of EVERY.SINGLE.GRADUATE.
God forbid someone have 5 minutes for himself.
Just do it while they are taking the vows.
The world needs to see you celebrate otherwise the earth will stop spinning.
1 sgtvaldax46 2018-05-22
You are a sad strange little man and you have my pity, Farewell.
1 dontcomplain1 2018-05-22
There couldn't have been a more accurate title for this one.
10/10 title.
1 eyewant 2018-05-22
Lol @ how your comment contradicts the comment next to you
1 trevmon2 2018-05-22
teehee
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-05-22
There’s a short Wikipedia article in the “women are wonderful effect.”
1 MyNameIsDalton 2018-05-22
The point is that no woman will have a raw, primal attraction towards you.
1 Virion85 2018-05-22
Yeah, I mean those few millimeters of bone have to come from somewhere...
1 eyewant 2018-05-22
Thanks Ive known of it for years actually.
1 Liquid_Blue7 2018-05-22
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
1 earthmoves 2018-05-22
The underpinnings of a civilization's success is not in birth rates. Ideology doesn't drive history, material forces do. In modern, industrialized countries, birth rates universally trend down, until they reach some form of equilibrium. We've seen this happen across industrialized nations all over the globe. It's not feminism that's causing this. It's better education, better sex education, improved quality of life. Feminism is a byproduct of this, of better education, the self assertion of women as a class as well as individuals. It's not the cause.
You want patriarchy like the old days? Deindustrialize. Go primitivist.
1 Grand_boy 2018-05-22
mate why 500 years? You could have said more then 100 and the only once would have been some random desert tribes that are completely illiterate.
1 ShoveItUpYurRuthHole 2018-05-22
Says the guy using the most common “insult” in this shithole of a sub.
1 bopoll 2018-05-22
Because it doesn't matter how he talks about women. Plenty of misogynists get women.
Ah yes, working out can totally make him grow taller and fix his facial bone structure. Totally. This advice only works for women, not men. Ass too small? Do squats. Getting a bit of a belly? Do cardio.
Muscles on an ugly man don't change anything.
If this guy is fat (in which case he was already a volcel), then sure he could lose weight. Still won't change much if he's too short and his face is too ugly.
A confident ugly man is known as a "creep". Women like attractive men with self confidence.
Lmaooo naw you have to atleast be average attractiveness to even speak to a woman. Otherwise you get death glares and she walks away Lmaooo do normies really think attractive men "know how to talk" to women? They just say shit and women think it's a romance novel, because he's hot.
Just be funny bro. Women find attractive men funny, not funny men attractive. To women, it seems like funny men are all attractive, but it's only because they only find attractive men funny.
No, considering women only find 20 percent of men to be super attractive. But they also only chase after that small percentage.
Oh we know women settle for average guys (not ugly guys) after they're done screwing a bunch of hot guys and couldn't pin one of them down.
My friends seem cool with me, I'm cool with me, I'm sure the same goes for the guy you're responding to as well. Women don't care about the inside, they care about the outside. Otherwise, no abuser would ever have been able to start a relationship with a woman (inb4: durrrr akshually abusers hide their evil personality!!! <- If you're going to say this, that means you believe women don't actually see what's on the inside, they see what you show them of what's on the inside, so therefore personality isn't a problem if you just show them a different personality)
do you think we're all basement dwellers or autists?
1 Cybugger 2018-05-22
No, not at all.
You don't discover hobbies with the goal of making yourself more attractive. But it's a side-effect.
If you spend most of your month only partaking in a single hobby, maybe also try and find something else you like?
You can do both. My hobbies are gaming, painting and collecting WH:40K, going to the gym and SCUBA diving. It's all over the shop. Some are not what would be considered traditionally "sexy" hobbies, but I couldn't give a fuck. And I didn't choose gym and SCUBA because I thought it would be "sexy", but because I enjoy them.
You can kill two birds with one stone. I'd say diversity of activities that you enjoy is important.
Totally disagree. Your words are a representation and manifestation of your mental state and beliefs.
I don't talk about stuff that I fundamentally don't agree with or don't adhere to. I take part in some shitposting, of course, but the vast majority of my posts are inspired and informed by my views.
Then work at it.
And yeah, it's confusing. But you can't let that confusion block you off or put you in a place of intense fear. Because then you should do more damage to yourself, you feed the confusion and fear, and it's a cycle that's much more difficult to break.
They are not. And I'm not calling them psychopaths.
There's something far worse than being a psychopath: being boring.
And that's what most of the advice/guidelines are about. Being boring is a cardinal sin, and possibly the least attractive property anyone can have. In fact, it feeds into what I was saying above: find diversity in skills and hobbies.
Obviously, not everyone finds the same things boring, so no one can go into specifics.
It only appears natural.
If I look back at my first relationships, and even stuff I've done in far more recent times, I could bury my head in the sand in terms of self-induced cringe.
Ridicule doesn't kill. But fear of ridicule can ruin your life.
If you're not having people come towards you, but you want companionship, then you have to go towards them.
Early courtship is a bit like sales. Sometimes, you have to really put yourself out there to get your product known on the market. There are loads of other products out there. And women do the exact same thing. If you go to a bar and see a woman with a nice dress, makeup and some high-heel shoes, she is doing that for herself but also to some degree for others. We are all trying to sell what we have.
It's why we buy the clothes we buy, the cars we own, the watches, shoes, whatever.
The arbitrary line is where your needs cross into the land where they directly affect another human being and their desires and needs.
I understand the desire and need for companionship. However, you are not entitled to it. You cannot negatively or forcibly get another human being to feel that need.
Because a human being, contrarily to food or water, is a sentient being.
Not at all. The neckbeard does not necessarily suffer from social anxiety or an inability to talk to women. Neckbeards tend to reject social norms, not suffer from what I mentioned before.
But venting is based in reality.
Again: venting is never entirely devoid of real life significance.
That is not possible due to the individual nature of not only the men to whom this advice is given, but also due to the individual nature of the women on the other side.
Again: the laziness.
I can't fix your problems. I can't come up with a TODO list to get the woman of your dreams. I can make general suggestions that would tend you towards a greater chance of success. But if you don't make the jump, the effort, do the work, then it's worthless.
And it also doesn't take into account that, again, what works for woman A will not work on woman B. These are general ideas and tendencies.
Because the general trends don't seem to be understood.
The general ideas about what tends to make someone more attractive than someone else doesn't seem to be understood.
It seems to be based in two camps:
Superficial beauty (which you can actually work at; Chris Hemsworth wouldn't be half as much of a stud muffin if he didn't work out like an absolute monster beast).
Cash flow (which you can actually work at, too).
But there's more to it than that.
It was a rhetorical you. The incel you.
I've said before: I don't give sympathy.
You can get that from other incels. I'm not here to be an emotional balm. I'm explaining that the nature of your fundamental issue stems from you; namely, the answer to your issue can and will only be brought about by you. No one else.
The rhetorical you.
Why lazy?
First off, the arguments used about "lucky genes" and the like. How many really attractive men don't work out like fucking pigs? Name any man whose generally regarded as a hunk, and you'll end up with someone who goes to the gym 5, 6, 7 days a week. This is not luck. This is hard work. It's discipline.
But you see that and think: lucky. Again: rhetorical you.
And cowardly, because you fail to identify the underlying cause because it requires you to place the solution to your problems solely on you, preferring to aim bile at women for being gatekeepers.
But how can they be common or normalized if they are inherently not normal. The vast majority of men, by a staggering majority, are not incels.
And that is attractive to some people.
It isn't all; it won't turn you into a pussy magnet. But it's something to be proud of, and to use that pride to give yourself self-confidence.
I didn't say end it at that. But go at it little by little.
Be comfortable about women as friends.
Then try and meet other women, and try and be a bit more flirtatious. You'll get shot down, brutally sometimes, and you'll have to pick yourself back up.
I'm not saying go from stranger -> friends -> girlfriend. I'm saying get generally comfortable about women.
1 zippygraham 2018-05-22
Who's going to tell this guy that having multi-page debates with incels on a weekday isn't what normal successful people do? Anyone?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-22
Yeah, except when I'm in real life, I see people with vaginas getting a pass in every aspect of life, just because they have vaginas and give birth to babies. They can be productive members of society and invent things but we still operate on notions that we need to be lenient to women because of that.
No, it's due to better healthcare for women and women being taught that it's okay to get help as soon as you feel you need it. Also due to the fact that retirement standards throughout the most of the world still let women retire around 10 years early than their male counterparts.
And yet in all but top tiers of the majority of industries (except for heavy parts of it, like metallurgy) they outearn men. Equality you say? I say the tilt is here.
And yet getting the higher education has been connected to better employment prospects in life. We sneer at GenderEd but they can get employed, in the meanwhile, even blue collar jobs now ask for a degree. I lucked out, many people like me aren't so lucky.
We actively show that we are not a monolithic group that unanimously hates women. We are composed of people of different races, creeds and social statuses united by nihilism and our unlovability. Society does us jack but denigrate and has the gall to say that we shouldn't complain.
Women with an active societal position in the West, however, have the entire support of the State, the Law and Social Opinion. Yet they still argue that they face prejudice from men, they still don't feel safe around men and they would prefer it would change. You know how you see whether they mean it or not? By looking at the people these women date.
These women, who have an active stance on these matters usually date the typical specimen of classical human masculinity, the ones who (as it has been established by feministic theory) embody Patriarchy and likely to perpetuate those things they are vehemently against.
It's the norm, especially considering that people who espouse feministic theory have unfettered access to media, whereas MRE (for all their batshittery) are branded as misogynist pigs. They do nothing more, however, but extend the feministic theory (something that has been said argues for equal rights between sexes) to men.
I fail to see your point.
What if you treat them like human beings but they treat you like shit? What happens then?