Obviously not from an actual peer reviewed study. Do you have a source for these graphs? Or did you make them yourself?

From a book by one of the creators of OkCupid

Cool graphs. Any source? I don’t doubt their validity.

Every older millennial and younger Gen Xer has seen the Wall first hand because we’ve all seen girls on Facebook age from 20 to 35. We don’t even need these graphs to back it up because we’ve witnessed it.

Someone will chime in about cougars. Like everything else there are no absolutes. Your neighbor is 40 and still attractive. We get it; you have Autism and don’t understand the concept of exceptions to rules.

Anyway, I’ve seen girls go from 110lb hotties at 21 to the 170lb 30-something wildebeest they are today. “It’s because I had a kid 8 years ago lol.” They (plural; 5 women to be exact, but this is just anecdotal) didn’t blow up like Mr. Stay Puft until several years after child birth.

Preferences vs requirements

Women tend to age like shit

Older women want that beta provider

Women lie through their teeth when it comes to their sexuality

To be fair, we don't realize the dynamics at play most of the time. We are convinced it's something else. We are convinced it's his personality, for example. Not his job or temperment or bone structure.

If this is real than it's a major lifefuel

The fact that the absolute paradise roasties live in will go away in a second once they're in their thirties is such major life fuel. Almost all of the 30 yr old women I know are miserable and I love hearing about it

So what you're saying with this is that men are shallow and base their preference on the look of young women?

So after the age of 20 to 24, women become the sub-8 males of life?

Men are so shallow and picky! How awful! They all want 20 year old Stacey!

Women are fertile through into their menopause.

You're trying to get around the fact that whatever age men are, they want the early 20 year old women, and anything other than that, they are just settling, so the women are betabuxxing for guys who want the young Stacey and who would be off like a shot if one offered herself.

See how it looks from the other side?

Yea fertile through menopause and the older they are the more likely your child is retarded or severely autistic

That only becomes an issue around age 30 and over, and sometimes not till 35, depending on a lot of different factors. IVF and amnio scans means that there can be early diagnosis of conditions that could affect the health of the child, and these are routinely offered to older mothers who conceive naturally.

So aiming for a 20 year old because of "fertility" is a lame excuse at best. It's just a shallow preference for looks, that's all it is.

Ok fine, I think all men will be find settling with a 28 year old virgin

Like that's going to happen.

Just goes to show how promiscuous the current woman is that you're in disbelief of someone settling with a 28 year old virgin jfl

There may still be some around, but it doesn't mean the ones that aren't are promiscuous. Some may have had one or two long term relationships in that time and had sex with two guys. They are therefore not virgins, but equally not promiscuous.

Society today is the most promiscuous it has ever been, if you think this is somehow a good thing please enlighten me as to why

All I said was that not every 28 year old is going to have been promiscuous in their past. Where you got any other inference from that, I have no idea.

Yes, society as a whole is more promiscuous, men and women. It just happens that there are a smaller proportion of men being a whole lot more promiscuous if people are to believed about how much sex everyone is getting. I frankly find it a little absurd, because guys would be knackered all the time and have no time to leave their beds.

People are not having as much sex or as often as people here seem to think they are.

Source? Can I get a source on that please? I'm gonna need a source.

Why? You haven't provided any sources for your material.

The only thing I said that warranted a source was the promiscuity of society to which YOU agreed with

You posted about men only fancying young women, while women tend to stay around age-similar. You claimed it was to do with fertility, which I disproved because the fertility of women is still good to ten years after the male age preference.

I haven't asked for sources on your claims thus far.

https://www.onaverage.co.uk/sex-averages/average-sex-per-week

http://time.com/4692326/how-much-sex-is-healthy-in-a-relationship/

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/life/sex-and-relationships/how-many-times-a-week-you-should-have-sex-467412

https://www.refinery29.uk/2017/08/168768/sex-frequency-age-average

https://www.refinery29.uk/2016/05/109814/age-when-women-sexiest-survey

http://www.issm.info/sexual-health-qa/what-is-the-normal-frequency-of-sex/

Again I ask what exactly I said that warranted a source. and you claimed "women aren't having as much sex as you (me) think". Now, naively, you posted sources that prove you wrong considering these sources are confirming how much sex I think they've had. Jfl at a privileged femoid trying to be logical

Guys here seem to think that women and hot guys are screwing 24/7, when they're actually not.

How am I privileged? I'm over 20, so therefore not desirable to men any more...

No you're getting it wrong, hot guys are screwing women 24/7. 20% of men are taking 80% of women. Aren't you like engaged and saying you're not desirable to men?

I'm single.

Hot guys are not screwing 24/7.

Hey do you want to get coffee sometime? I see we disagree on something trivial but I'm sure we can work it out

If you're in the UK, sure. Why not?

If you're elsewhere, it's a long way for you to come just for coffee, but sure. Why not?

I'll even buy the coffee.

Can you buy me a plane ticket?

Nope. Too poor.

;(

Such is life, eh?

You managed to get a coffee date though. You can take that out of it.

I hate coffee idk why women love it so much

I actually prefer tea myself, but I find coffee more consistent when out. Tea tends to vary from watery to stewed with little inbetween

You're starting to fit the British stereotype

I know. It's a bad habit... lol

28 year old virgin women are virgins for a reason.

Women are the most fertile in their early 20s so men find them the most attractive in that age. Why do you think men prefer the way early 20s women look? Because they are biologically programmed to find indicators of fertility attractive.

And most women in their early 20's like how 8s an up look, because they are the most attractive. They are biologically programmed to find good looking men attractive...

They are biologically programmed to find good looking men attractive

Women are biologically programmed to find men who display indicators of good genetic material. No one denies that.

So where's the difference?

You whine about women being this and women being that, and this graph just proves that men are just as shallow about looks as younger women.

For the third time, men preferring young women is NOT equivalent to woman preferring Chad. For the third time, EVERY woman is young once, even the ugly ones but they still have no trouble finding a man. The equivalent would be men ignoring women who are not attractive which would result in numerous women being incel, which very obviously doesn't happen.

Women prefer Chad in their early 20s. People get older. Women's tastes mature and follow an age progression. More than 20% of men end up in relationships, ergo women do find more than Chad attractive.

Wait till you get older and then we will come back to this conversation, shall we?

You mean like this?

I'd go find a sub that shows my point, but we're already on it.

The phrase "post wall roastie" ringing any bells?

The difference is that men admit it's about looks, but women and their white knights will deny it through their teeth until they're red in the face and have popped a vein.

And for men it's always about looks. Always got to be pre-wall, fresh faced, young and nubile, so they have to take beta wives just to have someone to cook and clean for them.

So what you're saying with this is that men are shallow and base their preference on the look of young women?

"Base their preference" wtf? You don't choose what you're attracted to. Men are simply attracted to indicators of fertility, and women are the most fertile around that age. Just like women are attracted to tall men. We can call them shallow, but it's simply human biology.

So after the age of 20 to 24, women become the sub-8 males of life?

After women pass 24 they will still have incomparably more attention than sub ugly men have at any point of their life. That comparison is just laughable.

Men are so shallow and picky! How awful! They all want 20 year old Stacey!

You casually threw in "Stacey", like being a Chad is equivalent to being a 20 year old woman. The difference is that ALL women were young once. Women who complain that men prefer young women were one young women themselves. They had a shot then.

And when men are older, they will have a shot too. They'll still be wanting the 20-year olds though and will be off like a shot from their poor beta wives if one shows an interest in the older man.

I repeat. Every women is 20 once. Most men are never Chads. Women preferring Chad =/= men prefering 20 year old women.

Hey, SwansonSamsonite, just a quick heads-up:
prefering is actually spelled preferring. You can remember it by two rs.
Have a nice day!

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Most men get partners in their lives. Women are only 20 once. Women liking Chad is exactly the same as a 45 year old woman being left with kids because her 47 year old husband ran off with a 20-year old because she was fertile and pretty.

Men have preferences, women have requirements. Know this and you'll find light in this graph brother.

Total load of old crap. There is nothing there to say about requirement or preference. Both have preferences. In men, it's for 20 year olds. In women, it's for age match or thereabouts. In young men it's for anything that will drop her knickers. For young women, it's Chad. For older women it's someone nice to live with. For older men? He's still lusting after the 20 year old.

IT with the “source?” card lmfaooo pathetic

this is why mature women want marriage so badly

jfl @ copecels denying the truth of these graphs

I don't actually doubt the validity of this, but it sort of hilariously refutes the common incel talking point of women being the shallow sex.

If true, this clearly shows that men are only attracted to a very narrow range of men, while women are able to change what they're attracted to over time!

No, because most men do get laid, find relationships and long term love despite not being Chad.

So it isn't as if it's the same 10 people that all women find attractive regardless of age. It's the vast majority of us.

Men only want women during a couple of years. Women are in it for the Long haul, according to this. Their expectations are shifting with their age. Men only want the one thing.

Femoids demand you be Chad regardless of your age range.

Except they don't.

Very few men are Chad.

Then how do the vast majority of men find women who are attracted to them? The way incels talk, you'd think 50% of men are going to be virgins at age 30. It's more like less than 1%.

vast majority don't. 60% do and out of that a huge percentage are cucks that get cheated on and divorced

I'd love to see the statistics you used to come to that conclusion.

Because that isn't how reality works.

Except they don't.

"In short, most women prefer monogamous marriages to wealthy, socially dominant, and physically attracttive men, and want these men to be devoted to them and their children. For most women, this preference is not achieved. Some women attempt to achieve a compromise of sorts through relationships with several men. The implicit goal appears to be to get the best material investment from one man and the best genetic investment from another (Bellis & Baker, 1990; Gangestad et al., 2002)."

http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf

The way incels talk, you'd think 50% of men are going to be virgins at age 30

The way incels talk, you'd think up to 50% of husbands get cheated on. That's exactly what is observed.

All women are 20 once in their lives. Very few men are Chad.

this is they key point reread it over and over

So it isn't as if it's the same 10 people that all women find attractive regardless of age. It's the vast majority of us.

Women consider 80% of men to be below 2.5/10, and there's substantial homogeneity with who they find attractive.

You forget juggernaut law my friend.

it's over for Fortrancels

I would date a fertile 40 year old who wasnt fat.

Can I get a source?

The wall exists. Men generally age better than women, big surprise. Don’t know if much more can be concluded from this graph without more info on how the study was conducted though.

cope women age better than men

Yes, make a claim contradicting the graph above and claim that I’m the one coping.

the wall meme is a cope just like bullies lose in life meme

And it’s really not a cope. I’m not saying you’re going to get better looking as you get older. But women lose their looks more quickly than men. This is why less attractive men can betabux when they’re older.

LMAOOO FUCKING LOOOL THIS GUY IS DELUSIONAL , YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS WAITING FOR YOU BOYO

Lol. Ok then bro, I’ll humor you.

Please give me your explanation of the graph above then and also explain to me why women are more likely to betabux when they’re older.

yaaaawnnn

^Volcel

Who the fuck wants to beta bux? Just pump and dump if you haven't ldar'd your life away. Run stable provider game. Pump and dump. Don't marry/date these old hoes jfl

Obviously no one want to betabux. Was just explaining why it happens. They’ll realize their window to fuck chads of any age will be running out and start lining up their beta.

Pump and dump still won’t work because they’ll make non chads wait for months before they throw them a lame unenthusiastic fuck just to keep them strung along.

Just be slick. Run beta buxx game on many old, desperate women at the same time, and that will increase the frequency of fuck

Lol, sure

I bet that if the graphs were inverted, you blamed women (once again) to have impossible standard for men. The fact that women can settle for any age is quite indicative about which gender have higher standards.

ANY woman at age 20 Are you sure? Really really? Even the chubby pug-faced 20yo? They're not even that rare, since ugly girls exist too.
But I barely believe you'd settle for one of them only for her age since in this sub even average fat women are quite frowned upon.

By the way, did you know that the original ok cupid "study" you love so much shows how men found women generally beautiful, but also how they message only those beautiful women?

So now there are two """studies""" that say men have higher standards than women: this graph and that ok cupid post.

Maybe you didn't, but this sub did. Next!

By the way, you didn't answer if you would settle even for a pug faced chubby 20 years old.

Come on, don't make me quote myself, there was even more than one question to convey the idea.

Anyway sorry bud, I hate cheaters too, I hope you'll find another one who will treat you as a true partner.

This is too funny.

All I said was that not every 28 year old is going to have been promiscuous in their past. Where you got any other inference from that, I have no idea.

Yes, society as a whole is more promiscuous, men and women. It just happens that there are a smaller proportion of men being a whole lot more promiscuous if people are to believed about how much sex everyone is getting. I frankly find it a little absurd, because guys would be knackered all the time and have no time to leave their beds.

People are not having as much sex or as often as people here seem to think they are.

Such is life, eh?

You managed to get a coffee date though. You can take that out of it.

And most women in their early 20's like how 8s an up look, because they are the most attractive. They are biologically programmed to find good looking men attractive...

They are biologically programmed to find good looking men attractive

Women are biologically programmed to find men who display indicators of good genetic material. No one denies that.

I'd love to see the statistics you used to come to that conclusion.

Because that isn't how reality works.

And for men it's always about looks. Always got to be pre-wall, fresh faced, young and nubile, so they have to take beta wives just to have someone to cook and clean for them.