hypergamy 101

why do people get mad that i want 1 million US dollars for my 1 million zimbabwean dollars?

Because you’re a retard who’s bad with conversion rates and also analogies

a male virgin does not have the same value as a female virgin, despite being the same quality.

That’s what needs to change

Not really.

You don’t want your virginity to be sought after by foids?

I understand that unless we started doing lobotomies in women, it's impossible.

How do you propose that get changed?

Social reform?

believing in social reform

Homey the value of males vs. females is inculcated in biology.

So is rape and murder

Thanks for confirming female hypergamy. You can go now

Bad analogy, people wouldn't get anywhere near as mad about that as they would a "horrible" incel wanting a virgin "to corrupt"!

Lol analogies are clearly not your forte

Lol at you getting downvoted for this, this is literally true. Male virginity is worthless

Hey man, that’s your personal preference. If you only wanna date a virgin only date a virgin, don’t let anyone tell ya its wrong. That being said, it’s not necessarily easy to find now a days

The older you get the harder it will be to find that, I understand your thought process but a woman not being a virgin shouldnt at all devalue her, if anything having previous sexual experience would most likely allow for her to better please you sexually ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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a woman not being a virgin shouldnt at all devalue her

Study before you post, normie. Higher nonmarital partner counts in females only lead to worse consequences.

if anything having previous sexual experience would most likely allow for her to better please you sexually

Maybe if you're a cuck. No man with properly functioning sexual instincts should ever find the idea of their girlfriend/wife having had sex with another man appealing in any way, shape, or form.

You're studies from 20+ years ago. May want to find some updated ones.

Thinking anyone would ever get funding for a study like any of the above ever again

wew lad

How and why could it have possibly changed?

There would have to be more studies done to figure that out.

You mean like multiple studies which all come to the same conclusion?

https://i.imgur.com/bzOvmGM.jpg

Are all incels puritanical like this?

I mean this cuck shit is just cope....you're just scared you won't measure up to past sexual partners and the truth is you probably won't

Does that mean you shouldn't bang her and have an awesome time? Hell no.

As long as you get your nut, why would you care about their past sexual exploits?

I mean it ain't appealing but it ain't the end of the world either....just get some fucking swagger kid.

You think Chad gives a fuck how many dicks the girl he's been riding has had? Not in the slightest, he'll just plough away .....don't have to marry to the girl. Just get your wick wet

Lmao toasty roasite

wow you're good at sticky friction, congrats

You're looking at this the wrong way. She'll dump you the second she finds out your lack of experience. Women don't care one iota about convictions and pledges like saving yourself for marriage or the right time; every day is like Disney World for them.

As relationship material, especially with being loyal, the more sex a woman has had, the worse she is.

It's 2k18 bruh girls lose thier virginity at like 13. It's over for you. Just ldar

Pretty much... and parents aren't even allowed to beat their kids as much as they should for something like that... If I had a daughter and I found out she had sex I'd probably be looked at by the court as worse than a murderer.

That’s because females cannot be shamed for slutting it up with Chad

Because it goes against their theory that women should be able to do anything they want without repercussions and still get everything they ever wanted in the end

Nobody wants OP in the end...

It's because women find it unacceptable for men to have superficial requirements for them, but they don't take issue with themselves having superficial requirements for men (e.g., height).

At least their count is something they can control; we can't exactly stretch ourselves up.

it's not superficial though, science proves that promiscuous women are shit tier marriage partners. oh and STDs

Men aren't allowed to have preferences in this society.

Because we live in a gangrenous culture where convictions and (male) self-worth are seen as novelties at best, "oppressive" at worst. I'm sorry you couldn't have been born 40-50 years ago, OP.

Don't think any of us (at least on this subreddit) would get mad here at that

As long as you're aware of the chances of that happening being slim.

slim

Very, VERY slim

Idk I kinda feel like it’s hurtful for that to be a dealbreaker for a lot of people. Like, if you met the perfect girl (like destiny perfect- beautiful, intelligent, funny, same interests, same life goals, same religion/ideology) , but she had sex once a couple of years ago, would that be a deabreaker for you? Bc if so, then the people you say that to probably are onto something in thinking thats weird. But if not, its just a strong preference. I know it’s just semantics, but I think being specific in that situation diffuses tension. :)?

had sex once

If it was in a long-term relationship, maybe not. But promiscuity makes it more difficult for those individuals to be loyal, and loyalty, at least to me, is very important, among other reasons and things.

Also depends who left who but that would be a hard story to get accurately.

Well yeah! I also think promiscuity makes it harder to be in a long term loyal relationship. But I think drawing the line at virginity is a poor indicator for promiscuity. It’s kinda like saying you want to split the world between bullies and non bullies, and then using the criteria “has been mean to someone before” to split it. Like, yes, you are gonna get one group that has never bullied, but the group that “has been mean to someone before” is gonna contain a lot of non bullies, yanno? In the same way, using virginity to divide the world between promiscuous and non promiscuous is gonna give you one group of non promiscuous virgins, and one group of non virgins, some of whom are promiscuous and some of whom are not at all.

It's about playing the odds. Odds are better that a virgin will be loyal; odds are extremely good that someone who has been promiscuous will not be loyal. We have one life to live; why waste time on promiscuous people? At least there's a chance with virgins, if you can find any. Probably have better luck finding a leprechaun's pot of gold than finding a virgin in this world, but still.

And most of us would settle for someone who's had sex, but only had a few partners, anyway. That's the realistic choice, one with still a chance of loyalty, and we would still avoid the more promiscuous people who are definitely not loyal.

This is completely true. You have hit the nail on the head; the stipulation is that both genders are aware of the promiscuity/loyalty situation. I have never liked Chads, because everything comes too easily to them; they never needed to be intelligent, introspective, or compassionate... they have absolutely no incentive to be loyal. So, what is the point, then? I prefer my looksmatch and honest, loyal male counterpart. No betabux.

If she's had sex bedore she is the opposite of perfect.

would that be a deabreaker for you?

Of course. Virginity is the best statistical predictor for a successful marriage I've ever seen. You're just an idiot if you don't have virginity as a requirement.

sorry, can you source me for that? I’m trying to find a study that charts multiple variables to find which is the best indicator for a successful marriage, but I can’t find one.

https://i.imgur.com/bzOvmGM.jpg

Every study finds an upward of 90% success rate. What else can I go for that is this tried and proven?

First I wanna clarify that I could not read anything in that infographic but the bible stuff and the heading on the center image. Second, it’s important to note that correlation and causation are not the same thing. So when we talk about women who remain virgins until marriage being less likely to get a divorce than women who have sex before marriage, we need to account for beliefs about divorce within both communities. The small portion of women who remain virgins until marriage are far more likely to be religious than the general population, and not merely religious but churched, you know what I mean? like, not just says theyre protestant or catholic or muslim or hindu or whatever but actually attends services and lives their life by those tenets. So how can we say that virginity itself is a predictor of a healthy marriage without admitting that strongly held religious beliefs about divorce are also a pretty fantastic predictor of whether or not someone gets divorced? after all, couples who regularly attend church are 47% less likely to get divorced than their unchurched counterparts.

I don’t know if any of that made sense bc i left the room midway through but what i’m trying to get at is that virginity hasnt been proven to cause healthy marriages. it’s been proven to correlate with them. There are a zillion other important variables that contribute to that.

If you marry a girl simply because she’s a virgin, she’s gonna find out and she’s gonna leave you. Just marry someone you love, and communicate, and you won’t get divorced. Also, you’ll be happy.

First I wanna clarify that I could not read anything in that infographic

Did ya try zooming? Cause it works for me.

Second, it’s important to note that correlation and causation are not the same thing.

The linear negative correlation is evidence of individuals being numbed to the capacity to pair-bond if they pair-bond too much. If it was simply a result of religious vs non-religious, you wouldn't see such a correlation.

Just marry someone you love

Everybody does that. Most people get divorced. I'd rather make informed choices of desirable traits to look for in a partner.

okay first of all you gotta teach me how to do the lil thing where u pick what somebody says and then u tab it in bc idk how to. second i tried zooming in and i even put on reading glasses and it just was not legible to me. I could make out the right side bc colors but the left side? nuh uh not at all sorry. but i did find another thing abt virginity and divorce rates here:

https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability

And it shows that the pattern isn’t linear at all between divorce rates. Women who had two partners were more likely to get divorced then women who had 4-5 partners. So the pair bond theory seems kinda invalid.

Look, my studies show a linear correlation with 0 partners as a slight outlier when looking at marriage through several different lenses of quality evaluation, whereas yours finds a strange outlier at 2 partners when looking specifically at 5 years after marriage.

With the greater whole of the evidence considered, it's quite likely that your source specifically chose that mark because it resulted in the spin they wanted, even if every other way does not.

your study was a religious jpeg, mine was data from the National Survey of Family Growth, which is part of the CDC? The CDC study doesnt find 2 partners to be an outlier, it finds it to be part of the data. If you could please, please, make the right hand corner legible on the pic you sent, i would love to see who made the image, or who found the data. But because i dont have access to who did the research, i cant tell whether theyre an abstinence group or an evidence based survey organization.

mine was data from the National Survey of Family Growth

Mine too, as one source. I have more than just that.

The CDC study doesnt find 2 partners to be an outlier

It clearly is

If you could please, please, make the right hand corner legible on the pic you sent

It is, you're just technologically illiterate

I don’t think people should get mad at you, but it does kinda feel as if you’re making virginity the most important thing in a relationship to you. As if personality and identity were less important than an intact hymen, yanno? Does that make sense? So maybe people are bugged by it because they feel that belief transfers to them too. Like, that you also believe that the status of their virginities are more important than their identities.

Okay! I like your positive attitude and insistence on being nice

If you are a virgin but you only want to find other girls who are virgins, you probably are going to say sexless for a long time simply based on that choice.

Sure you can blame others here. But you should be blaming yourself.

Because western women hate being called out as sluts

I think it's fine to want to be with a virgin girl, it's just sort of unlikely to happen

They think it's "entitlement," when all it really is, is women have all whored around and you haven't, and it directs shame their way if they admit this. So they try to redirect the shame to us, instead.

Because they know there are no virgin girls and thus you won't be dating anyone, and women get mad if a man is not dating a wahmen because in their mind we're all required to be a registered slave to one of the slavemasters.

Listen up, Inceltears: the reason incels have a preference for virgin girls isn't (mainly) because they feel women who've had sex before are "sullied" or "defiled" in some way. It's because they want a partner with equal experience to them; it's hard to take the masculine role in the sack when the girl you're sleeping with has taken a marathon of dick while you've only seen a vagina in porn. The idea that men prefer to be masculine and women prefer to be feminine might be heresy to you strapon-riding soyboys, but it's the truth.

EXACTLY. imagine the reverse situation too, it's just as bad. Imagine a virgin inexperienced teenage girl getting it on with a 45 year old twice divorced chad BDSM veteran. You just know something's wrong.

Expecting us to be a sluts' stable choice in her thirties is straight up insulting

Tbh

• Strapon-riding soyboys

I'm sorry, but this is the greatest term I've ever read on this site.

Strapon riding soyboys. HAHAH

this level of humor certainly creates a bug on this website or destroys some other part of the internet.

I'm just Playing devil's advocate here. What if you met a girl who is amazing? Who's everything you ever wanted but wasn't a virgin.

Perhaps she was molested, or even raped. (Childhood trauma is a bitch)

Would you hold that against her? Would you really shame her for something outside of her control?

If it was real rape yes it wouldn't count. If she whored around GTFO

Wait if she's had sex she's a "whore" 🤔

What a mental and naive world view some of you guys have.

You believe in a Disney version of the world where people only have one sexual partner for their entire lives......fuck that Disney shite.

If a girl wants to bang you why would you care how many people she had sex with? You're getting your end away and she'll probably a much better lay than some frigid virgin.

If it was instagated by her and she's promiscuous, yes I'm she's a whore. I'd rather have sex with a virgin than a used up roastie. I've done it before and trust me when I say it is vastly superior. JFL at you boyo.

Aye well I guess using your hand counts as sleeping with a virgin.

Also what are you gonna do, spend your life hanging around parks and schools looking for virgins? Like when you're 30 or 40....still not gonna want a "used up roastie" 😂

I'm not planning on ruining my life by getting married, I'd rather be a slayer for life tbh. Very few girls are virgins in my college but there's the occasional unicorn you can try to slay

How long can you run that game before you basically end up like Jimmy Savile?

I'll run it for as long as I can then I'll sell off everything I own, and travel the world. That's basically been my dream since I was a kid, so I'ma do it no matter what.

You'll get to a point when you won't care about a woman's past sexual conquests. Honestly by the time you hit your 30s you genuinely don't care. Any virgins you meet of your age group will be Susan Boyle types.

Well obviously at that point it won't matter. I'm talking about right now. I don't plan on marrying so after I can't slay I'll just become a monk

Well godspeed dude, genuinely hope it all works out for you

Thanks brah, good luck in life to you as well

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Then she wouldn't be amazing

Who goes nuts?

On reddit or irl?

I can't say for sure - maybe because they themselves are not virgins or their wives/girlfriends are not virgins so they somehow feel like you are judging them

The only way you're gonna get a virgin is to be the top Chad/jock in a conservative Christian church (or mosque) and be popular enough to date and marry the most committed lifelong Church girl there, who's attractive but has never socialised outside the church.

I can understand why you would want that but I also think that given your struggles to get laid with the whole female population in general you would be shooting yourself in the foot a bit to have this kind of preference.

1 women dont like to have to face reality

2 your proposition provokes a strong inconvenient truth to women hearing it

3 women know they are all sluts and know that it is only their gender

= triggered

Nothing wrong with it. I mean, it'll seriously limit your ability to be with someone because the older you get, the fewer virgins that you'll encounter.

I'm not an incel, and even though I lost my v-card at 16 and dated a lot, I was never with a single virgin until I was 24. Chances are slimmer, but if you're willing to wait it out, that's up to you.

It's because they're WHORES. Say it with pride, every time, I am a virgin man seeking a virgin bride.

It's OVER for you, you'll never find a virgin and even if you did she isn't going to want to fuck some virgin guy who is only looking for virgin girls lol that being said I don't see any moral issue

You'll find it man

There are women who only want to be with virgins. And if you're good looking, you've already got the advantage over all of us who basically want the same thing

Go get em man. I feel like the second or third date is a good time to ask someone about their sexual past/dating history, but I've noticed online, depending on the situation, you can ask way earlier lol. Just make a joke about no hymen no diamond, see how they react

Because it's cutting off a huge segment of the population and reducing your chances of finding someone.

If you want a relationship that badly then you need to cast a wide net. Once you get above the age of 20 both male and female virgins start to get pretty rare.

You can have your standards, but don't be surprised if people tell you they're not realistic. And don't be angry when you can't find someone to meet those unrealistic standards.

Thinking anyone would ever get funding for a study like any of the above ever again

wew lad

Wait if she's had sex she's a "whore" 🤔

What a mental and naive world view some of you guys have.

You believe in a Disney version of the world where people only have one sexual partner for their entire lives......fuck that Disney shite.

If a girl wants to bang you why would you care how many people she had sex with? You're getting your end away and she'll probably a much better lay than some frigid virgin.

How and why could it have possibly changed?

sorry, can you source me for that? I’m trying to find a study that charts multiple variables to find which is the best indicator for a successful marriage, but I can’t find one.

You'll find it man

There are women who only want to be with virgins. And if you're good looking, you've already got the advantage over all of us who basically want the same thing

Go get em man. I feel like the second or third date is a good time to ask someone about their sexual past/dating history, but I've noticed online, depending on the situation, you can ask way earlier lol. Just make a joke about no hymen no diamond, see how they react