Where do you idiots get this notion that we think we're entitled to sex? Nobody here is saying it. It must be IT that injects that falsehood into your simple heads.
The notion is extremely associated with the incel movement. There are many posts making disparaging remarks regarding women's right to consent and there explicit and implicit entitlement to a women's body. It's one of the core reasons that the incel sub was shut down. And still on these threads women sexuality is explicitly and implicitly criticized. Also, what does IT have to do with this?
But I digress, I would be interested to hear your opinions on what social norms and legal policies would you see changed?
Hey. I'm not trying to be mean, but don't you think it's kind of shitty to be laughing at the ones who are so far gone and obviously need help? I'm an incel, ForeverAlone, whatever you wanna call me. But I can't help to think it's pretty strange to complain and take joy in the crazy things some of the guys here say, then go off and wonder why everyone here is angry and bitter towards "normies." Maybe you don't wonder that though, I can't help to assume so since that's what the majority of the people who come here are like.
Let me elaborate a bit. I'm not laughing at your situation. I was only commenting on the humor of this particular post. No matter how bad shit gets (in any situation), using humor is a pretty badass way to handle it. I've always admired people that can joke, and I try to live my life the same way.
I laugh at and mock the overtly misogynist stuff (that isn't humorous), but I really do sympathize with what you all go through. It's bullshit when people try to claim looks don't matter. It's also ridiculous to act like women don't have a distinct advantage in the sexual marketplace. Tinder scares the fuck out of me and makes me glad I came of age just before it grabbed hold of dating landscape.
I'm fascinated by the effects of inceldom on men and often put myself in your place to imagine how I might react. It's impossible for me to know, since I've been with the same woman for about ten years now. But the curious part of me still likes to study the community, and I even watch a few YouTubers pretty regularly (Virgin Messiah, Heed and Succeed, etc.). I root for the ones that come off as genuinely lost and disinclined towards violence.
But at the same time, I think it's fucking stupid for each and every one of you to come out swinging whenever someone tries to offer advice. At least in my case, I'm not doing it to feel superior. I'm genuinely trying to help. You don't have to take the advice, but you also don't have to be an asshole about it. On the whole, most of you are really not that ugly. Behavioral and developmental disorders play a much, much larger role than most of you are willing to let on. That stuff is more correctable than a recessed chin or underdeveloped maxilla or whatever.
I'm not a numale or a cuck or any of that shit. My wife and I are still crazy about each other, even going into our mid 30s. We're physically attracted to each other, sure. But when I ask her why she's still with me after so long, she usually says something like: "You challenge me, and you're fun to be around." Looks have very little to do with that.
tl;dr: I'm not laughing at you, and I apologize if it came off that way.
Okay, I see. My bad for taking it the wrong way, alot of people like to come here and make fun of us then wonder why we are so bitter all the time, so I'm sorry for wrongly assuming. You seem like an understanding person. Let me be the first to say, I can see why people can't take a lot of incels seriously who spout some very crazy rhetoric. But I promise you we aren't bad people, most of us anyway. It seems kind of counterproductive on our part as well, but a lot of this shit is a big cope. You are right in development and social disorders playing a major part, I can't speak for everyone, but I know my autism and social inability is one of the main reasons I'm as alone as I am. But to answer your question about why so many seem to react with hostility.. we've just already heard that same advice every day, and 9/10 times we already do what advice is given. It gets very annoying when people come and say the same things, when in reality, we don't want advice we just wanna be left alone in the only place we can bitch and complain, lol. I wouldn't dare bother my mom or anybody in person about these problems, so it's nice to have this place with people going through the same thing.
"You challenge me, and you're fun to be around." Looks have very little to do with that.
looks have little to do with it because you already have them you fucking moron and of course your wife wont say that she is with you because of your looks. What kind of turbo idiot are you.
We could actually engage on this subject and have a productive discussion if you'd like. Just because I'm in a relationship doesn't make me an asshole. Just like you NOT being in one doesn't disqualify you from basic respect.
OOHHHH the normie gets mad, what are you gonna do? Tell us again about how happy you are with your wife well into your 30s and how looks dont matter to her and how crazy perfect your life is?
Yeah, it's amazing to see someone react so negatively to being called a "fucking moron" and a "turbo idiot."
You seem to think you're entitled (oh shit, there's that word again!) to treat people like trash and expect them not to reciprocate the ugliness. Maybe (just maybe), this is why no one likes you?
You just dont get it, we dont want to hear from you. Your input has no value. Nothing you say has value, you are competition at best or a direct hostile force at worst because you keep having bluepilled attitudes to various degrees that you feel like you are entitled to share with us. We already know the truth, we don't need to debate anything or anybody. Fuck off, enjoy your life. Dont come here again.
I'll go wherever the fuck I damn well please. On this sub, or ANY of the other FA/incel subs. You can deal with it or fuck off to somewhere else. Unless you moderate these subs, you don't get to tell me to do a damn thing. We clear?
I posted a comment complimenting what the OP posted. I mentioned that I was a married normie because that's what the title called for. Then I was engaged by a civil redditor and I clarified my position for him. Neither of us felt disrespected by the other person.
Then your militant ass came marching in to try to pick a fight with me. Calling me names and acting all indignant when I struck back. So who's the prick here?
Please don't assume that my normie status means I'm going to do anything else besides call you out for being a little fuck boy. Have a good one.
The title of the OP literally tells you to fuck off "Normies, normies go away."
In what fantasy world you live, I dont know. Apparently you created a separate opposite world where everybody wants to hear your worthless experiences and life story.
look as an incel myself, I'm being perfectly honest here, do I agree with Fitnesse on everything? No, I disagree with him about looks I think... But he is being friendly. I don't support violence ibtem (I dunno if you do or not), but ever since the van attack in canada, incels have been getting a lot of attention, mostly negative attention.... However the ray of light in all of that, are that a small minority of normies are trying to be friendly to us and empathize with us, FINALLY, after so many generations of this shit building. Even a few women, go on youtube and look up The Prim Reaper, a video titled "Why Empathy Works Better Than Derision." I get the anger but you can let your guard down a little, it doesn't do us any good to run off potential allies.
You are falling for his attack, just read his goddamn first comment. "you guys are all crazy". He is invalidating us in the first goddamn comment that he makes. You are joking when you think that I'll be nice to some random fuckwad who comes here to see the monkeys dance and explains how great his life is and then he has the audacity to tell me that I'm not nice enough to him.
After he calls us crazy and makes fun of us and tells us how great his life is and how looks dont matter to his wife. Nothing in the entire world can ever fix my life again and this is solely due to people LIKE HIM who ACT nice just like he did but his little pokey "fun" is not real niceness, it is an attack. Being nice is just a strategy to them, it is an attack to calm us down and make us accept the situation. As you can see, a single direct insult removed his thin veneer of fake friendliness instantly and he directly went for moral superiority.
he wasn't calling us crazy as in mocking us, it was a light-hearted friendly rib, me and my brother joke around all the time and say far more demeaning things than that when we're ribbing each other.
Not everything is just a lighthearted friendly rib, especially not from some random dude. Him calling us crazy. Him not addressing my response and telling me to calm down. Him going on about his great marriage. It's all just friendly huh. lol man, you are naive. That person is an asshole and the speed at which he tried to dominate the discussion with his own personal etiquette proves what a fuckwad he is. "ohhh I want to talkkk but only if you are THIS nice to me and please call me sir"
That's how he talks and you fell for it. It's how all of them talk, the super fake nice guys. They want their way or the highway and if you dont put them on the spot immediately, they will continue to waste your time and lowkey insult you for hours while you desperately try to milk some kind of value out of this whole thing which never ends up happening.
"ohhh I want to talkkk but only if you are THIS nice to me and please call me sir"
You called me a "fucking moron" and I responded in kind. In your fucked up head, me expecting NOT to be called a "fucking moron" = me expecting you to address me as "sir".
Here's the thing, though. In the context of the real world, your problems are childish. It's undeniably interesting to read what you guys think and feel about this position you've chosen for yourself, so here we are.
I'd honestly just like to communicate to you somehow that often times the way you approach a problem has more to do with solving it than the solution itself. The groupthink riot of insecurity that is r/braincels would never stop being interesting.
In the context of the real world, your problems are childish.
So?
The groupthink-riot of insecurity that is r/braincels
Groupthink? We infight fucking constantly. The only things we all agree on are just that attractive guys have it easier. You sound like one of the idiots that writes articles about the 'incel ideology'. We have no ideology. We can't even get along with each other half of the time.
You know what man? You're right, I wasn't being honest with myself. Like other normies it's hard to empathize with your problems solely because imagining being socially rejected before you open my mouth is terrifying. I browse this sub for the same reason I like watchpeopledie, it scares me and reminds me to be appreciative of what I was given by birth.
I'm sorry that you have real pain, and I'm sorry I minimized that just now. My bad, dude.
Well fuck mate. I guess you're ugly AND you have a shit personality.
Most ugly guys learn how to pull by getting a personality because you can't fix ugly and giving up is for bitches
Guess you just broke the system. Or, the system will break you because despite thousands of generations of male ancestors beating their crappy genes, you've just decided it's too tough and you'd rather cry about it on the internet.
At least an actual fucking cuck has the dignity of accepting his ineptitude and letting everyone else enjoy their lives.
Is it possible that you might be thinking these men are emotionally healthy, like you might be? Because then I'd agree that tough love might probably work.
These gentlemen, if I'm understanding, are not just unattractive. They're self-loathing, which can not be overcome by willpower because it's a total corruption of willpower itself.
Plus if we're both just guessing about what's best for these guys we don't know, I'll gladly err on the side of compassionate respect and affirmation when possible. The same kindness I'm offering you, and for the same reason.
A dog that bites you may need love. But that doesn't mean you let it keep biting you because you empathize with it's pain.
The gentlemen need a positive structure where they can understand that they can build themselves up, given some level of care and outside help. They need to understand that there is a social order, one that places them at the bottom but also offers them a way up. In other words, they aren't "untouchables", but occupy a vital position in society: those men who don't yet have their shit together but presumably will at some point, just like every man before him.
What they DON'T need is to be coddled or fawned over. I'm not sure if you've ever had serious depression, but ego issues aren't solved by someone shoving love into the bottomless abyss that one creates within oneself. Ego issues are solved by contextualizing an individual's problems, which means on some level you need to interrupt the self-pity parade to get them to pay attention to the way things actually are.
yeah so I last checked in whenever the last asshole shot some people up.
I guess what I'm saying is the Incel Question is a bigger problem than I had realized. Some of you need about 5 minutes of a pep talk, but the perverse thing is this community glorifies being totally fucking helpless to solve its own problems
I actually do have a prescription for dealing with a lifetime of depression. It runs in my family.
I understand what you're getting at and you're not entirely wrong. I do believe your evaluation of my approach is incorrect.
I'm offering respect and understanding, which are the exact opposite of coddling or fawning. The solution to human emotional problems differ significantly from dogs in that humans, even damaged ones, have the capacity to understand emotional nuance. This all-important differentiation allows for a middle-ground solution like the one I'm offering. Not sympathy. Not hate. Not degradation.
Simple kindness is not weakness. It's simple strength on display by being better than the dogs.
I'm with you up to the point of asserting we're better than dogs. Dogs and their ancestors the wolves in fact demonstrate a far greater degree of social cohesion and unity than is present in any human or simian society.
Look up the article "Co-evolution of humans and canids"
You presume that social cohesion and unity are directly correlated to natural value.
I'd offer that natural selection, the governor of your argument, is direct evidence that disharmony and conflict produce the most capable organisms. I believe capability is directly correlated to adaptability, and that humans can adapt to all of nature in ways that dogs can't because we are capable of deliberate conflict and cohesion as we see fit. Most modern technology was born for war, including the internet we're having a strange and now tangential conversation across.
I'm never going to meet you. No one we know will likely ever interact. But I choose to respect and value you because you might contribute a brick to the wall of knowledge that will let us overcome our natural limitations.
We attempt to overcome those limitations because nature is cruel, and we usually aren't. These guys might also contribute that keystone brick to the human race, and because of that they deserve respect and dignity, especially if they need human compassion instead of more natural cruelty.
Social cohesion and unity have an adaptive value. They have a clear cost, which couldn't be sustained barring getting some value as a result of bearing that cost. That was the premise of my original argument, and my response was to your implication that the comparison to dogs was an insult.
I'd offer that natural selection, the governor of your argument, is direct evidence that disharmony and conflict produce the most capable organisms
That would be social darwinism. Which is a drastic oversimplification of what happens in nature. In other words, its dead wrong.
I choose to participate in online communities for the same reasons I choose to participate in "real world" ones: there is usually some benefit to be attained as a result of social cooperation (again: social cooperation isn't a side effect but a means to an end).
In this case, my end is to determine what sort of assistance might be given to the people promulgating an ideology behind some attacks in public. There's clearly a common thread between a number of these attacks in terms of the chosen affiliations of the attackers.
On a broader scale, what we see in a number of mass shootings is akin to the anthropological phenomena known as "amok" (as in, "running amok"). This idea was once assumed to be a culture bound phenomenon, but in fact we can see some similarities in events that take place all over the world. (source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC181064/)
What this all points back to, for me at least, is a problem rooted in social dominance patterns. Being on the bottom of a social hierarchy sucks, there's plenty of research that's been done on the consequences of this in eg a chimpanzee tribe, but it's a natural consequence of there being any sort of higher ordered society.
Again, for me, this suggests that the incel behavior needs to be framed in these terms. What an incel is experiencing is a dominance hierarchy, not some insane conspiracy or a rigged game. The game they're currently losing is a game we all play, it has rules, and they can "win" the game (move up in rank, even if it's ever so slightly) only by a) accepting the rules and b) accepting they may need help.
The alternative is that we have a class of individuals who are stressed physiologically up to and past their breaking point.
Hey man, you do realize incels are like this because they do try, but they get extremely frustrated after failing 500 times, so they come here. Is it too much to ask, to be left alone in the only place we have to vent and complain?
Some of you are venting, and that's fine. But the fact is you have an entire community built up around negative emotion, and this negative emotion creates a self-perpetuating environment.
Just look at how you respond to anyone (not necessarily me) who offers the least bit of encouragement or advice: said person is excoriated as being "normie trash" and is essentially heckled offstage.
I'd love to stay away and let you all deal with your own problems. I just don't think that's getting done in these environments, from an outsiders' perspective it's not really hard to see how one goes from the venemous rhetoric on these boards to confronting those women who deny you and shooting up a school.
That's obviously NOT what the majority of you contemplate doing, but you don't exactly offer a healthy community to help those that are that screwed up.
And I hope you know this comes from a place of love. Not of the pitying variety- I hate that as much as you.
But is negativity necessarily bad? Putting on a mask and continue to spout false hope and advice we have already heard, is what gets so annoying. I know people like you may be trying to help, and that's great, but the fact is, it's always the same thing and we get tired of hearing it. Also, alot of the time people deliver it in a crude way that definitely isn't going to do anything but make incels act with hostility back. All of us have dealt with being bullied like hell and treated badly by other people, and when we see "Hey, you pussy, just stop complaining and man up and be happy!" It gets old, real fast, and it's essentially the same thing we have gotten our whole lives that did nothing but make it worse. This might not be the best place for your mind, but that could be said about a lot of "toxic" forums/subreddits/etc. At the end of the day, it wouldn't be the fault of anyone here if some Mentalcel goes on a rampage, because that's the fault of him and him only. Its just personal agency, man.
Putting on a mask and continue to spout false hope and advice we have already heard, is what gets so annoying
I'm not here to give you hope. That's the problem I had with the original comment. I'm here to point out that there are consequences to the way you are framing your issue. These consequences include the fact that perpetuating an ideology affects peoples' actions. Incel ideology is just as impactful as jihadist ideology. While I respect your freedom of speech, if you perpetuate the idea that there is a female conspiracy against men ruining their chances for happiness, at some point you start to bear responsibility (morally if not legally) for the actions of those you influence
Let me back up and point out that I've found out that quite a few are still quite young. If you're under the age of 25 you have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain about not getting laid. It's a bit scary that so many young guys have such a shitty attitude about what is completely natural at this point in their lives. It ought to have taken the lot of you 15+ years past the age of maturity in order for you to get this fucking bitter about the world, but some of you have managed to do it by the time you're 18. The shit part about this is that this is the age when you're at peak testosterone production, and so if you're going to do something really aggressive and stupid you're liable to do it when you're young.
Incel ideology is nothing like jihadists, I'm sorry, but thats the craziest thing I've heard in a while. Are you saying depressed lonely men who come here to bitch are akin to terrorists? You have nothing to be afraid of. Just like we are told, there is no secret ideology of virgin men plotting to overtake and kill every woman and Chad on earth, I promise. If someone goes on a rampage because theyre upset about being a virgin or not having a relationship, then that's their choice and their choice only. We don't conspire to cause mass shootings. I'm 18 and the reason I'm here is because I'm alone and feel bad about myself and these guys share the same feelings. That's all there is to it, it's so crazy people seriously think we are the next thing to Isis..
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1 1122334wy 2018-05-21
kek
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
May Kek here my cry and banish the normies.
Normies, normies you are gay. Normies, normies go away.
1 mittrinilli 2018-05-21
Arby'scel
1 TheiWindFelt 2018-05-21
Who hurt you, bro.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
Normies.
1 Vaasmgie 2018-05-21
Stop being a pussy
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
Being a pussy is the closest I will ever get to a pussy though.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
hahahaha +1 to charisma
1 YouAreWrongKid 2018-05-21
lol
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
You guys are fucking insane, but I'll be damned if you don't make this married normie laugh.
1 MyNameIsDalton 2018-05-21
we’re not ur fucking zoo exhibit. hey since you’re here let me be your bull
1 LightBringer777 2018-05-21
Correct your not a spectacle; however, the same could be said of a male's entitlement to a women's body and consent.
1 based_meme 2018-05-21
Where do you idiots get this notion that we think we're entitled to sex? Nobody here is saying it. It must be IT that injects that falsehood into your simple heads.
1 LightBringer777 2018-05-21
The notion is extremely associated with the incel movement. There are many posts making disparaging remarks regarding women's right to consent and there explicit and implicit entitlement to a women's body. It's one of the core reasons that the incel sub was shut down. And still on these threads women sexuality is explicitly and implicitly criticized. Also, what does IT have to do with this?
But I digress, I would be interested to hear your opinions on what social norms and legal policies would you see changed?
1 based_meme 2018-05-21
LEGAL POLICIES!? Are you fucking kidding me? Who the fuck even asks that? You sound like a bureaucrat or official.
Legal policy.. lol.
And social norms? Are you profiling us? Fishing for material for a blog/article/story? You reek of some agenda.
How about you tell us why the social norms are just fine they way they are?
1 Uggocel 2018-05-21
Let me guess, you think we want government-sanctioned girlfriends too, right? Fucking idiot.
1 LightBringer777 2018-05-21
That's funny. People would still complain. What do you want? Do you think that the government could solve this issue?
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
We want to have been born functioning normally and attractive, lol.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
Lucifer what are you on about?
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
Oh calm down. It was a compliment. "You guys" is a perfectly innocuous way to describe people in this sub.
1 MyNameIsDalton 2018-05-21
ok make sure to read my 2nd sentence i need an answer quick
1 VEN_atus 2018-05-21
I'm sure the answer is both something you wouldn't like, but something you're used to.
1 MyNameIsDalton 2018-05-21
normfags told me to never give up
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
I don't know what "let me be your bull" means.
Unless you think I'm a chick. I'm not.
1 IncelsNeedLuvToo 2018-05-21
He's suggesting you're a cuck, and that he should be allowed to plow your wife.
1 Jhhhhhk 2018-05-21
You type like a female lul
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
These fuckers are total snowflakes
1 bopoll 2018-05-21
That's not what "snowflake" means as an insult
1 Dr-Ewseph 2018-05-21
Huh, zoo exhibit. That's pretty accurate actually.
1 ImGoingHomeForThis 2018-05-21
Yo might as well be an exhibit.
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
Hey. I'm not trying to be mean, but don't you think it's kind of shitty to be laughing at the ones who are so far gone and obviously need help? I'm an incel, ForeverAlone, whatever you wanna call me. But I can't help to think it's pretty strange to complain and take joy in the crazy things some of the guys here say, then go off and wonder why everyone here is angry and bitter towards "normies." Maybe you don't wonder that though, I can't help to assume so since that's what the majority of the people who come here are like.
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
Let me elaborate a bit. I'm not laughing at your situation. I was only commenting on the humor of this particular post. No matter how bad shit gets (in any situation), using humor is a pretty badass way to handle it. I've always admired people that can joke, and I try to live my life the same way.
I laugh at and mock the overtly misogynist stuff (that isn't humorous), but I really do sympathize with what you all go through. It's bullshit when people try to claim looks don't matter. It's also ridiculous to act like women don't have a distinct advantage in the sexual marketplace. Tinder scares the fuck out of me and makes me glad I came of age just before it grabbed hold of dating landscape.
I'm fascinated by the effects of inceldom on men and often put myself in your place to imagine how I might react. It's impossible for me to know, since I've been with the same woman for about ten years now. But the curious part of me still likes to study the community, and I even watch a few YouTubers pretty regularly (Virgin Messiah, Heed and Succeed, etc.). I root for the ones that come off as genuinely lost and disinclined towards violence.
But at the same time, I think it's fucking stupid for each and every one of you to come out swinging whenever someone tries to offer advice. At least in my case, I'm not doing it to feel superior. I'm genuinely trying to help. You don't have to take the advice, but you also don't have to be an asshole about it. On the whole, most of you are really not that ugly. Behavioral and developmental disorders play a much, much larger role than most of you are willing to let on. That stuff is more correctable than a recessed chin or underdeveloped maxilla or whatever.
I'm not a numale or a cuck or any of that shit. My wife and I are still crazy about each other, even going into our mid 30s. We're physically attracted to each other, sure. But when I ask her why she's still with me after so long, she usually says something like: "You challenge me, and you're fun to be around." Looks have very little to do with that.
tl;dr: I'm not laughing at you, and I apologize if it came off that way.
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
Okay, I see. My bad for taking it the wrong way, alot of people like to come here and make fun of us then wonder why we are so bitter all the time, so I'm sorry for wrongly assuming. You seem like an understanding person. Let me be the first to say, I can see why people can't take a lot of incels seriously who spout some very crazy rhetoric. But I promise you we aren't bad people, most of us anyway. It seems kind of counterproductive on our part as well, but a lot of this shit is a big cope. You are right in development and social disorders playing a major part, I can't speak for everyone, but I know my autism and social inability is one of the main reasons I'm as alone as I am. But to answer your question about why so many seem to react with hostility.. we've just already heard that same advice every day, and 9/10 times we already do what advice is given. It gets very annoying when people come and say the same things, when in reality, we don't want advice we just wanna be left alone in the only place we can bitch and complain, lol. I wouldn't dare bother my mom or anybody in person about these problems, so it's nice to have this place with people going through the same thing.
1 CommonMisspellingBot 2018-05-21
Hey, Chohi92, just a quick heads-up:
alot is actually spelled a lot. You can remember it by it is one lot, 'a lot'.
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1 ibtem 2018-05-21
looks have little to do with it because you already have them you fucking moron and of course your wife wont say that she is with you because of your looks. What kind of turbo idiot are you.
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
Dude, fucking RELAX.
We could actually engage on this subject and have a productive discussion if you'd like. Just because I'm in a relationship doesn't make me an asshole. Just like you NOT being in one doesn't disqualify you from basic respect.
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
We are way beyond talking. Fuck off from our space, we dont need your input.
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
K, how bout YOU fuck off to some other thread and I'll stay right where I am. Does that work for you?
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
OOHHHH the normie gets mad, what are you gonna do? Tell us again about how happy you are with your wife well into your 30s and how looks dont matter to her and how crazy perfect your life is?
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
Not mad at all, champ. You're the one who came in guns blazing while I was having a nice conversation with someone else. No one invited you.
But since you insist on baiting me, here's what you really want me to say: I get to have sex (lots of it, actually), and you dont.
If I were a little bitch predisposed to internet tough-guy bullshit like you, I'd probably cry some angry tears, too. So I don't blame you.
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
this is the nice personality that attracts the ladies, guys. Amazing to see it in live action.
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
Yeah, it's amazing to see someone react so negatively to being called a "fucking moron" and a "turbo idiot."
You seem to think you're entitled (oh shit, there's that word again!) to treat people like trash and expect them not to reciprocate the ugliness. Maybe (just maybe), this is why no one likes you?
You are colossally stupid.
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
You just dont get it, we dont want to hear from you. Your input has no value. Nothing you say has value, you are competition at best or a direct hostile force at worst because you keep having bluepilled attitudes to various degrees that you feel like you are entitled to share with us. We already know the truth, we don't need to debate anything or anybody. Fuck off, enjoy your life. Dont come here again.
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
K, let me lay this out for you.
I'll go wherever the fuck I damn well please. On this sub, or ANY of the other FA/incel subs. You can deal with it or fuck off to somewhere else. Unless you moderate these subs, you don't get to tell me to do a damn thing. We clear?
I posted a comment complimenting what the OP posted. I mentioned that I was a married normie because that's what the title called for. Then I was engaged by a civil redditor and I clarified my position for him. Neither of us felt disrespected by the other person.
Then your militant ass came marching in to try to pick a fight with me. Calling me names and acting all indignant when I struck back. So who's the prick here?
Please don't assume that my normie status means I'm going to do anything else besides call you out for being a little fuck boy. Have a good one.
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
The title of the OP literally tells you to fuck off "Normies, normies go away." In what fantasy world you live, I dont know. Apparently you created a separate opposite world where everybody wants to hear your worthless experiences and life story.
1 Ji6S4W 2018-05-21
look as an incel myself, I'm being perfectly honest here, do I agree with Fitnesse on everything? No, I disagree with him about looks I think... But he is being friendly. I don't support violence ibtem (I dunno if you do or not), but ever since the van attack in canada, incels have been getting a lot of attention, mostly negative attention.... However the ray of light in all of that, are that a small minority of normies are trying to be friendly to us and empathize with us, FINALLY, after so many generations of this shit building. Even a few women, go on youtube and look up The Prim Reaper, a video titled "Why Empathy Works Better Than Derision." I get the anger but you can let your guard down a little, it doesn't do us any good to run off potential allies.
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
You are falling for his attack, just read his goddamn first comment. "you guys are all crazy". He is invalidating us in the first goddamn comment that he makes. You are joking when you think that I'll be nice to some random fuckwad who comes here to see the monkeys dance and explains how great his life is and then he has the audacity to tell me that I'm not nice enough to him. After he calls us crazy and makes fun of us and tells us how great his life is and how looks dont matter to his wife. Nothing in the entire world can ever fix my life again and this is solely due to people LIKE HIM who ACT nice just like he did but his little pokey "fun" is not real niceness, it is an attack. Being nice is just a strategy to them, it is an attack to calm us down and make us accept the situation. As you can see, a single direct insult removed his thin veneer of fake friendliness instantly and he directly went for moral superiority.
1 Ji6S4W 2018-05-21
he wasn't calling us crazy as in mocking us, it was a light-hearted friendly rib, me and my brother joke around all the time and say far more demeaning things than that when we're ribbing each other.
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
Not everything is just a lighthearted friendly rib, especially not from some random dude. Him calling us crazy. Him not addressing my response and telling me to calm down. Him going on about his great marriage. It's all just friendly huh. lol man, you are naive. That person is an asshole and the speed at which he tried to dominate the discussion with his own personal etiquette proves what a fuckwad he is. "ohhh I want to talkkk but only if you are THIS nice to me and please call me sir" That's how he talks and you fell for it. It's how all of them talk, the super fake nice guys. They want their way or the highway and if you dont put them on the spot immediately, they will continue to waste your time and lowkey insult you for hours while you desperately try to milk some kind of value out of this whole thing which never ends up happening.
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
You called me a "fucking moron" and I responded in kind. In your fucked up head, me expecting NOT to be called a "fucking moron" = me expecting you to address me as "sir".
1 ibtem 2018-05-21
Time wasting normie scum, go play your worthless games somewhere else
1 Fitnesse 2018-05-21
We've been over this, skippy. I'm not going anywhere.
1 VonMagnar 2018-05-21
That's two instances of virgin shaming from you. Lay off.
1 Geleg456 2018-05-21
Sloot
1 yaogauiasaurus 2018-05-21
But I'm not bored yet.
I think I'm going to get comfortable and stay a while.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
You are gay. Go away.
1 yaogauiasaurus 2018-05-21
Not by the textbook definition I'm not.
And I'd rather not go away either. Sorry. :/
1 Jhhhhhk 2018-05-21
then stay here for all eternity
1 yaogauiasaurus 2018-05-21
Sounds cool to me
1 Jhhhhhk 2018-05-21
o
1 Uggocel 2018-05-21
Congrats bud, would you like a trophy for that?
1 yaogauiasaurus 2018-05-21
Yeah! Cool! But can I get it in silver?
1 Moist___ 2018-05-21
Numale response
1 yaogauiasaurus 2018-05-21
I'm 100% positive I'm not a numale.
1 User01972634 2018-05-21
Here's the thing, though. In the context of the real world, your problems are childish. It's undeniably interesting to read what you guys think and feel about this position you've chosen for yourself, so here we are.
I'd honestly just like to communicate to you somehow that often times the way you approach a problem has more to do with solving it than the solution itself. The groupthink riot of insecurity that is r/braincels would never stop being interesting.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
So?
Groupthink? We infight fucking constantly. The only things we all agree on are just that attractive guys have it easier. You sound like one of the idiots that writes articles about the 'incel ideology'. We have no ideology. We can't even get along with each other half of the time.
Now go away, normie. You are gay.
1 User01972634 2018-05-21
You know what man? You're right, I wasn't being honest with myself. Like other normies it's hard to empathize with your problems solely because imagining being socially rejected before you open my mouth is terrifying. I browse this sub for the same reason I like watchpeopledie, it scares me and reminds me to be appreciative of what I was given by birth.
I'm sorry that you have real pain, and I'm sorry I minimized that just now. My bad, dude.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
Stop giving them empathy. It doesn't help them. It only makes them feel their self-pitying is justified
1 showercel 2018-05-21
It is justified you dweeb. You think girls want to date total uggos? Dumbshit.
But LE PERSONALITY fuck yourself dumbshit redditor.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
Well fuck mate. I guess you're ugly AND you have a shit personality.
Most ugly guys learn how to pull by getting a personality because you can't fix ugly and giving up is for bitches
Guess you just broke the system. Or, the system will break you because despite thousands of generations of male ancestors beating their crappy genes, you've just decided it's too tough and you'd rather cry about it on the internet.
At least an actual fucking cuck has the dignity of accepting his ineptitude and letting everyone else enjoy their lives.
1 User01972634 2018-05-21
Is it possible that you might be thinking these men are emotionally healthy, like you might be? Because then I'd agree that tough love might probably work.
These gentlemen, if I'm understanding, are not just unattractive. They're self-loathing, which can not be overcome by willpower because it's a total corruption of willpower itself.
Plus if we're both just guessing about what's best for these guys we don't know, I'll gladly err on the side of compassionate respect and affirmation when possible. The same kindness I'm offering you, and for the same reason.
Basic fucking respect, man.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
A dog that bites you may need love. But that doesn't mean you let it keep biting you because you empathize with it's pain.
The gentlemen need a positive structure where they can understand that they can build themselves up, given some level of care and outside help. They need to understand that there is a social order, one that places them at the bottom but also offers them a way up. In other words, they aren't "untouchables", but occupy a vital position in society: those men who don't yet have their shit together but presumably will at some point, just like every man before him.
What they DON'T need is to be coddled or fawned over. I'm not sure if you've ever had serious depression, but ego issues aren't solved by someone shoving love into the bottomless abyss that one creates within oneself. Ego issues are solved by contextualizing an individual's problems, which means on some level you need to interrupt the self-pity parade to get them to pay attention to the way things actually are.
1 showercel 2018-05-21
Did you just imply you contextualize incel's issues?
JFL. Your normie existence is a joke.
If you had a quark of critical reasoning and introspection you'd leave this place satisfied in a second.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
yeah so I last checked in whenever the last asshole shot some people up.
I guess what I'm saying is the Incel Question is a bigger problem than I had realized. Some of you need about 5 minutes of a pep talk, but the perverse thing is this community glorifies being totally fucking helpless to solve its own problems
1 User01972634 2018-05-21
I actually do have a prescription for dealing with a lifetime of depression. It runs in my family.
I understand what you're getting at and you're not entirely wrong. I do believe your evaluation of my approach is incorrect.
I'm offering respect and understanding, which are the exact opposite of coddling or fawning. The solution to human emotional problems differ significantly from dogs in that humans, even damaged ones, have the capacity to understand emotional nuance. This all-important differentiation allows for a middle-ground solution like the one I'm offering. Not sympathy. Not hate. Not degradation.
Simple kindness is not weakness. It's simple strength on display by being better than the dogs.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
I'm with you up to the point of asserting we're better than dogs. Dogs and their ancestors the wolves in fact demonstrate a far greater degree of social cohesion and unity than is present in any human or simian society.
Look up the article "Co-evolution of humans and canids"
1 User01972634 2018-05-21
You presume that social cohesion and unity are directly correlated to natural value.
I'd offer that natural selection, the governor of your argument, is direct evidence that disharmony and conflict produce the most capable organisms. I believe capability is directly correlated to adaptability, and that humans can adapt to all of nature in ways that dogs can't because we are capable of deliberate conflict and cohesion as we see fit. Most modern technology was born for war, including the internet we're having a strange and now tangential conversation across.
I'm never going to meet you. No one we know will likely ever interact. But I choose to respect and value you because you might contribute a brick to the wall of knowledge that will let us overcome our natural limitations.
We attempt to overcome those limitations because nature is cruel, and we usually aren't. These guys might also contribute that keystone brick to the human race, and because of that they deserve respect and dignity, especially if they need human compassion instead of more natural cruelty.
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
Social cohesion and unity have an adaptive value. They have a clear cost, which couldn't be sustained barring getting some value as a result of bearing that cost. That was the premise of my original argument, and my response was to your implication that the comparison to dogs was an insult.
That would be social darwinism. Which is a drastic oversimplification of what happens in nature. In other words, its dead wrong.
I choose to participate in online communities for the same reasons I choose to participate in "real world" ones: there is usually some benefit to be attained as a result of social cooperation (again: social cooperation isn't a side effect but a means to an end).
In this case, my end is to determine what sort of assistance might be given to the people promulgating an ideology behind some attacks in public. There's clearly a common thread between a number of these attacks in terms of the chosen affiliations of the attackers.
On a broader scale, what we see in a number of mass shootings is akin to the anthropological phenomena known as "amok" (as in, "running amok"). This idea was once assumed to be a culture bound phenomenon, but in fact we can see some similarities in events that take place all over the world. (source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC181064/)
What this all points back to, for me at least, is a problem rooted in social dominance patterns. Being on the bottom of a social hierarchy sucks, there's plenty of research that's been done on the consequences of this in eg a chimpanzee tribe, but it's a natural consequence of there being any sort of higher ordered society.
Again, for me, this suggests that the incel behavior needs to be framed in these terms. What an incel is experiencing is a dominance hierarchy, not some insane conspiracy or a rigged game. The game they're currently losing is a game we all play, it has rules, and they can "win" the game (move up in rank, even if it's ever so slightly) only by a) accepting the rules and b) accepting they may need help.
The alternative is that we have a class of individuals who are stressed physiologically up to and past their breaking point.
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
Hey man, you do realize incels are like this because they do try, but they get extremely frustrated after failing 500 times, so they come here. Is it too much to ask, to be left alone in the only place we have to vent and complain?
1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
Some of you are venting, and that's fine. But the fact is you have an entire community built up around negative emotion, and this negative emotion creates a self-perpetuating environment.
Just look at how you respond to anyone (not necessarily me) who offers the least bit of encouragement or advice: said person is excoriated as being "normie trash" and is essentially heckled offstage.
I'd love to stay away and let you all deal with your own problems. I just don't think that's getting done in these environments, from an outsiders' perspective it's not really hard to see how one goes from the venemous rhetoric on these boards to confronting those women who deny you and shooting up a school.
That's obviously NOT what the majority of you contemplate doing, but you don't exactly offer a healthy community to help those that are that screwed up.
And I hope you know this comes from a place of love. Not of the pitying variety- I hate that as much as you.
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
But is negativity necessarily bad? Putting on a mask and continue to spout false hope and advice we have already heard, is what gets so annoying. I know people like you may be trying to help, and that's great, but the fact is, it's always the same thing and we get tired of hearing it. Also, alot of the time people deliver it in a crude way that definitely isn't going to do anything but make incels act with hostility back. All of us have dealt with being bullied like hell and treated badly by other people, and when we see "Hey, you pussy, just stop complaining and man up and be happy!" It gets old, real fast, and it's essentially the same thing we have gotten our whole lives that did nothing but make it worse. This might not be the best place for your mind, but that could be said about a lot of "toxic" forums/subreddits/etc. At the end of the day, it wouldn't be the fault of anyone here if some Mentalcel goes on a rampage, because that's the fault of him and him only. Its just personal agency, man.
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1 internetPatriot 2018-05-21
I'm not here to give you hope. That's the problem I had with the original comment. I'm here to point out that there are consequences to the way you are framing your issue. These consequences include the fact that perpetuating an ideology affects peoples' actions. Incel ideology is just as impactful as jihadist ideology. While I respect your freedom of speech, if you perpetuate the idea that there is a female conspiracy against men ruining their chances for happiness, at some point you start to bear responsibility (morally if not legally) for the actions of those you influence
Let me back up and point out that I've found out that quite a few are still quite young. If you're under the age of 25 you have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain about not getting laid. It's a bit scary that so many young guys have such a shitty attitude about what is completely natural at this point in their lives. It ought to have taken the lot of you 15+ years past the age of maturity in order for you to get this fucking bitter about the world, but some of you have managed to do it by the time you're 18. The shit part about this is that this is the age when you're at peak testosterone production, and so if you're going to do something really aggressive and stupid you're liable to do it when you're young.
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
Incel ideology is nothing like jihadists, I'm sorry, but thats the craziest thing I've heard in a while. Are you saying depressed lonely men who come here to bitch are akin to terrorists? You have nothing to be afraid of. Just like we are told, there is no secret ideology of virgin men plotting to overtake and kill every woman and Chad on earth, I promise. If someone goes on a rampage because theyre upset about being a virgin or not having a relationship, then that's their choice and their choice only. We don't conspire to cause mass shootings. I'm 18 and the reason I'm here is because I'm alone and feel bad about myself and these guys share the same feelings. That's all there is to it, it's so crazy people seriously think we are the next thing to Isis..
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
Thanks. At least you are a self aware normie.
1 maskedcel 2018-05-21
🖕
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
LOL! Arby’s!
Help me! I can’t breathe!😂😂😂😂😂😂👌🏿
1 NoKidsInATrenchcoat 2018-05-21
Gay? Are you trying to ake the word back?
1 Pirateojack 2018-05-21
I ain't hurting nobody
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-21
Normies.
1 IncelsNeedLuvToo 2018-05-21
He's suggesting you're a cuck, and that he should be allowed to plow your wife.
1 Jhhhhhk 2018-05-21
You type like a female lul