What's the logic behind it? Everyone can understand what some fictional person is going through, it makes no sense, unless you assume the person you're talking has zero understanding of human emotion.
Dude watch, "10 Things I Hate About You" try and act more like Patrick Verona. Just stop caring about stuff. Then find a hobby I would suggest skateboaring, because you'll get tan and lean. Then quit caring. Quit caring about women. Quit caring about how others think of you. Quit caring about everything.
piggybacking this comment to copy paste my reply to this guy from the IT thread:
Have u seen the bill maher clip about incels? i know u say u just wanna be friends but in my opinion his advice should help with both, in regards to sex, he said: "make yourself worthy of being fucked" like take care of your body, develop yourself (hobbies/job) etc. those things should help a lot with self esteem/insecurities. but i think there is a second big reason some men struggle with women, which is being bad at relating to and understanding them. for that, try and imagine that women see men the same way men see women.
oh, another piece of advice i just remembered from a long time ago learning about pick up artists, is to try to look for uglier women to hangout with first, and then working your way up.
i think the most simple advice that would help the whole braincels subreddit is to work on getting a good body, and vast majority of people can achieve a hot body and learn how to not be annoying.
but you lose your dick in the process of watching Disney movies. Its a tricky situation. You gotta watch just enough movies with strong femoid roles that girls start liking you while you're still a man.
i have some blackpilled mangas but i forgot the names i just knlw them from the pics,its all about ugly guys taking revenge or something dungeon seeker is pretty blackpilled specially the lightnovel
I came out of the womb a defeated sack of subhuman filth who was so aware of my subhumanity that I ldar'd and rotted for all 23 years of my pathetic life.
I never identified with inceldom only 2 months ago, while making fun of incels just 2 months before that.
I never, at any point, lived the life I was given. I never went to highschool. I never had friends who I kicked back with. I never smoked weed with them and watched the summer open up in the same way we thought our futures would open up. I never had great parents. I never had great teachers that tried to keep us on the right track. I was never on the baseball team in grade 11. I was never on the mock trial team in grade 12. I was never in college. I was never a party guy. I never made new friends and watched the autumn open up like we thought our futures would open up. I never partied too hard, and spent too much time trying to have fun, that I almost failed in my second year. I never quit weed and improved my grades 'till i made dean's list the next year. I never had great, and I really mean great, professors. I never had my friends dwindle down to the closest, most loyal few. I never did awesome, memorable shit with these few friends. I never tried to make music, race cars, or write the best prose of the 21st century. I never got accepted into a Master's program. I never felt a nagging emptiness inside me. I never felt so immobile before in my life. I never dropped out of college. I never drifted away and lost my friends. I never lost the passion for life.
I never sunk into obscurity. I never became something I would be ashamed of. I never realized the reason why. I never noticed my subhumanity. I never watched the spring close up like my future did before it. I never got to writing the best damn poetry of the 21st century. I never was in love with easeful death and called him soft names in every which way.
Nope, I came out of that womb, and rotted all 23 years of my miserable life
The amount of things an incel might find "fun" and what women might find "fun" are vanishingly small; there's usually no overlap. Some might try to fake it and try new activities, but this ends up being more like a chore than a fun time. That has been my experience, at least.
Nowadays, when I go "out" do the things I find "fun", there's nobody else there, like managing my garden, or coding. I don't even find these things fun anymore, they're just ways to pass the time.
How does this dehumanize women? If anything, to me it seems like it humanises them - making somebody think about their perspective surely makes them more "real" than an unreachable object?
That's what I meant. If you dehumanize women, watching movies with female protagonists would be a good way to humanize them. If you're looking for how to get laid, this is comically bad advice.
I disagree, it was a shit ton harder when I tried understanding women. When I started bullshitting with them the way I did with my friends (treated them like a human) they found me much more attractive.
Then I got to see it the other way around where they kept doing things that to be frank, creeped me out. Like be overly nice, (think your grandma when your a kid and she won't stop giving you attention or praises). And that just completed my perspective on what I did wrong for years.
i read a couple of romance novels with female protagonists for females. now i learn that as long as you are hot, tall, handsome guy you are supposed to be rapey, entitled, not care about consent, be weird, stoic, cool but i'm not any of these things.
There are so many movies out there where the guy acts like an actual creep (actually creepiness like stalking outside their window with a bunch of flowers at 4 in the morning everyday, not being socially awkward) and guess what? The girl completely falls for him.
Because Inceltears is full of incels. You only need to lurk for a couple hours to find a slew of 20-something virgins who think they're better than us because they kiss roastie ass on reddit, even when they'd get the cops called on them if they got anywhere near a girl's backside in real life.
How do you know? Also, wouldn't separating yourself from a cycle of endless self-deprecation/goofing on a bunch of whiners be considered a step in the right direction?
Because I lurk Inceltears regularly and come across "I may be a 20-something virgin but at least I'm not an incel" comments and threads all the time.
Distancing yourself from incel culture (including the "antagonistic" side of the incel coin) might be helpful if it's not truly over for you, but deluding yourself into thinking you're higher up on the social totem pole than people with whom you share exactly the same predicament by bullying them is laughable, pathetic, and ultimately discourages real self-development.
There are way too many levels of gatekeeping and self hate between these two threads for me to begin to understand where you people are coming from with this. That's part of why I don't see any problem with a little self help in the form of tossing some goofs into this shit pit. I'm done with this whole sub though it's too confusing so I'll get one last comment in. I know plenty of ugly ass dudes that aren't rich that fuck decent looking chicks without being in a relationship. Some are funny, some have a skill, a few are just good listeners with an understanding outlook but I'd say the biggest difference between you guys and them is they don't wallow in a self pitying circlejerk all the time. Fucking improve something about yourself and stop projecting your own self-hatred onto every person you meet. Or don't, you are strangers with keyboards that apparently don't want my help so I don't give a fuck what you do. Peace.
i think she was trying to say that men and women have the same thoughts. so if you put yourself in a woman's shoes, you would be able to relate because our thoughts are the same? i don't know why she brought up movies thought.
It's not even true, Women do not have the same thoughts as men at all. They are much more selective sexually, and have a completely different logic when it comes to dating.
Actually, this could definitely help if you have any hope left. Imagine what she would think if you went up to her and asked her out. "Ew, does this thing actually think it has a chance with me?" And they'll either be disgusted for a bit or have their self esteem ruined because she may wonder if she really isn't worthy of Nick Bateman.
It's an exercise in practicing empathy. Before you can understand what someone else is feeling and why, you have to imagine what someone else is feeling and why. If you can deploy empathy in social situations, it makes it easier to interact with and grow close to other human beings because you can more accurately infer their true emotions and intentions.
If you can only really relate to people who have had similar experiences to you, you'll have immense difficulty when it comes to meeting new people who are not like you let alone making a woman comfortable enough that she wants to be alone with you in anything other than a platonic capacity.
Do you people unironically tell others to learn empathy through fictitious characters in movies and their scripted behavior? Completely degenerate, holy shit
It's a practice exercise. It won't make you a master of social interaction, but it will make it easier to empathize with people. It's fairly uncomplicated from a conceptual point of view.
If someone's terrible at driving because they're too nervous behind the wheel of a real car, would it be unreasonable to give them a racing wheel, pedals and a car simulation game in a safe space to make driving more comfortable and natural for that person?
The point of simulations are that they are supposed to be realistic and this reach you
How are you suggesting movies to be realistic? How does fiction like movies relate to real life? It's absolutely retarded, it's like saying you should watch action movies to learn how to fight or something along those lines
And if these movies have an emphasis on the female leads being "strong", what makes you think this is necssarily reflective of real life? It would be prompt to exaggeration because, well, it's a movie. I have never ever seen anyone say watch movies to learn about life lmao, that's completely ridiculous
Some simulations are simply meant to make actions more natural and reflexive, making them easier to perform in high-pressure situations. Practicing endless free throws by yourself isn't the same as landing one under game pressure, but it will improve your chances because you have the muscle memory.
And this is not saying that movies are real life, it's literally just a practice exercise. I used the driving example as a way of illustrating that driving will feel more natural and comfortable if you've had low-stakes practice. Practicing empathy with fictional characters will make doing so with actual people more natural and comfortable. It's obviously not 1:1, but practice never is, is it?
Football players watch tape to improve their performance, and they run practice plays at 1/2 or 3/4 speed so they can run them full speed on game day without thinking about it. Those are physical and intellectual exercises to make executing the actual thing under pressure easier and more natural.
A fucking inceltears faggot talking about empathy. Just Fucking Lol
Also the idea that you need to be able to "empathise" with the incredibly harsh experience of being a western female to get laid is absolutely fucking absurd. Complete and utter delusion.
You don't need to able to if you bring other things to table but if you absolutely cannot empathize with a woman, and have nothing else that makes you desirable, you're fucked.
It's just another tool in your social skills set, and if you don't have it, it makes sense to practice it because being able to understand others makes your life way easier in every respect.
No it doesn't lmao. It's completely irrelevant to sexual attraction and jfl at thinking becoming a soyboy cuck is gonna make your life easier and improve your social skills (also jfl at thinking this has anything to do with social skills)
I am practicing empathy here. Notice how I'm not insulting anyone or talking about my personal life? I'm just pointing out that empathy is actually a useful social tool and can be cultivated with practice, through exercises. I'm not saying it's necessary, or that you don't have it, just that it's helpful for the person using it. Empathy and sympathy are different, and just because you're empathetic does not mean you'll treat others kindly or with respect, but it can certainly help. Like I said, it's a useful tool.
It is here, certainly. In most arenas, social and otherwise, sharing your personal experience is a way to build trust and intimacy. On forums such as this, sharing your personal experience, if it is provocative, braggadocious or simply goes against the general opinion, is seen as an aggressive, condescending and inflammatory act.
I think not rising to insults and maintaining a straightforward, logical approach to conversation is doing pretty okay, but I suppose crossing the line into "not a cunt" is good enough.
I personally don't think so and I think it's best not to get into my personal life in a comment thread, out of respect for you guys and my general privacy.
“You just have to see it from her perspective. She doesn’t want to be polluted with your shitty genes, so she’ll get a chad to threaten you and/or beat you up so you know to stay away from her.”
That's not empathy, that's projection. You're imagining what someone is thinking through your personal lens and constructed framework, which is not actual empathy. You're not imagining you're them, you're imagining a caricature of them based on your own suppositions and using that caricature to give voice to your personal fears.
if you absolutely cannot empathize with a woman, and have nothing else that makes you desirable, you're fucked
Attraction is not binary, it occurs on a spectrum. Chris Brown is attractive and has also an excess of money and talent, which offsets his terrible qualities, especially if someone is only looking for sex.
You are vastly overrating the importance of empathy, the only things that are important in a conversation when trying to attract a woman are that you don’t act autistic and that you keep the conversations fun and exciting. Having empathy will just make you seem like a stool people can walk over.
Practicing empathy doesn't automatically mean you're sympathetic to someone's feelings or become a pushover. I've found that empathy is a great tool to achieve your own wants because it allows you to better understand the motivations and desires of others. From a darker perspective, using empathy allows you to more easily engage in social engineering and manipulation but, if you don't believe it will make your life easier or your goals more attainable, I'm not really going to try to dissuade you.
There's no other perspective, this is what you're preaching, manipulation, which is technically a big no-no in the Western society, despite it being used by everyone every time.
I'm just offering another angle to emphasize the utility, because everyone here seems to think having empathy means you're automatically some weepy pushover rather than someone who can better identify people's motivations and desires. When I put myself in someone else's shoes, it's not to manipulate them, but to make sure they're as happy and comfortable as possible, that they feel attended to and cared about.
But it can also help you grow close to co-workers or impress a boss. It doesn't have to be dark, but I was looking for a perspective that might appeal to the folks here since, somehow, empathy mean equates to weakness for them.
This is highly presumptuous in two ways though. First it assumes that everyone struggling with romance lacks empathy with women, which isn't just wrong but pretty insulting, actually.
And second, it assumes that more empathy would increase your chances with women, which is demonstrably wrong too. Empathy with women is exactly the reason why I tend to not talk to them and certainly would ever act non-platonically around them. I made the mistake once of putting my interests above hers and confessed my feelings to her and it's certainly a mistake I won't make again.
Putting your interests above hers is the opposite of empathy. Not only did you put pressure on her to reciprocate, but you didn't care about how she might feel in that situation. Had you been exercising actual empathy to the best of your abilities, you may have been able to infer that confessing your feelings in the hopes of her reciprocating was the wrong move for both of you.
And my comment doesn't assume all people struggling with romance (of either gender) lack empathy, it simply says that empathy is a useful tool and practicing it can improve your ability to move through life and interact with people you don't identify with or understand.
Did you even read my comment or did you just read what you wanted to read? I fully admit that confessing my feelings was unempathetic and a mistake I will never make again.
The responses to this comment show what is wrong about the users of this sub. It doesn't say empathy will turn will into a pussy slayer, it says it will help will relate and connect to other, which is important in any kind of relationship, not just romantic.
I always had a rough time understanding people feeling. Simple things about human relations that are natural and intuitive to most people used to make no sense to me. Only when I started to put real effort in understanding other I could have some real social life.
However, I still believe the exercise proposed is really stupid. I would suggest studying psychology and trying to see social relation analytically.
Btw, it's really funny the way IT demands empathy from incels but never exerces empathy towards incels.
I do think there's value to trying to identify with fictional protagonists who are not like you, as an exercise in empathy, is valuable, but I see what you're saying. It has limited application to the real world but I think it can start to get you in the headspace of interrogating what people might be thinking through a lens that isn't entirely your own.
To your final point, I agree. I'm now regularly disappointed with a lot of what commenters on IT feel free saying. I'm not innocent of saying awful things myself, but the surge in incel hate and stereotyping after the ban of the original sub and the recent attacks has made me pretty uncomfortable with IT outside of the commenters who have been there since day one.
Perhaps it is, but it's a sad practice, only useful for people on the autistic spectrum who have zero theory of mind. "Put yourself in the other person's shoes" only gets you so far before you start misjudging people's motives and thought processes due to this misguided idea that everyone else thinks and feels like you; although it is true that the vast majority of people have basic similarities in their psychologies, it's just that: basic. Once you start putting some nuance into your empathy, inserting yourself into people with entirely different natures and life experiences becomes a farce.
That's also assuming all female protagonists are realistic and nuanced--which, considering all the writers and publishers who seem to think a vagina is a valid substitute for decent writing, is far from guaranteed.
If you were to ask a normal person irl on how to attract girls, they would say shit like be confident , dress better, lift weights, get a haircuut and normie shit.
dont think any of them would say anything about watching scripted hollywood movies with female protaganists in order to get girls.
By the way, the only thing the female leadcharacter thinks about is: I want chad's dick. There's really not much going on in women's minds. 90 percent of the day, they have superficial sexual fantasies.
This is actually not bad advice. I mean, putting yourself in the protagonist's place isn't really unusual, that's typically what we do to some extent whenever we watch movies. The sticker is making an effort to watch a movie with a female protagonist, since female protagonists are about a third as common as male ones.
They still think this is about 'muh misogyny'. It's about inequality, just imagine for a second that females had it as bad as sub-7 men do, they'd be roping left and right.
Not an incel so I can confirm that women in general don't give a shit about this. Not once has a girl I was sleeping with asked me if I consume media from female creators or with female protagonists. All they care about is if you're attractive, if you click, and if you can fuck. That's it.
massively overreacting to telling you to empathise is ironic considering Incel culture essentially consists of praying that you sack up and rope sooner rather than later
I don't see what's so bad about this. It can be helpful to watch movies with female leads. Or try reading a book with a female lead, play a video game with a female lead, etc.
a feminist relative of mine watches a BBC show called "fleabag" about a 30-something woman in modern London who sleeps around, cheats on her boyfriends, life is a mess, trying to sort herself out. And I read in the newspaper that the show is being hailed as a real woman's experience and part of the fight against slut-shaming, and that men should watch it to relate to women.
I must have a problem because Fleabag made me feel almost physically ill, and very unhappy remembering the real people the main character reminds me of, to the point where I'm considering not watching "Han Solo" because the Fleabag actress voices some alien or robot and just knowing that will trigger me. Shit I have issues.
I picked Star Wars The Force Awakens and witnessed how Rey could use the force to some extent and defeat freaking Kylo Ren without any practice. Seems pretty blackpilled to me.
She's thinking 'If any of these female leads were realistic the first henchman or obstacle would be the end of the movie. But damn it feels good to make ten million dollars for putting on makeup and a leather suit'.
It is here, certainly. In most arenas, social and otherwise, sharing your personal experience is a way to build trust and intimacy. On forums such as this, sharing your personal experience, if it is provocative, braggadocious or simply goes against the general opinion, is seen as an aggressive, condescending and inflammatory act.
I think not rising to insults and maintaining a straightforward, logical approach to conversation is doing pretty okay, but I suppose crossing the line into "not a cunt" is good enough.
Because Inceltears is full of incels. You only need to lurk for a couple hours to find a slew of 20-something virgins who think they're better than us because they kiss roastie ass on reddit, even when they'd get the cops called on them if they got anywhere near a girl's backside in real life.
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1 GymcellingisCope1 2018-05-21
Just watch movies with female protagonists bro.
1 AcrobaticSwordfish 2018-05-21
I wonder what goes through peoples heads. How the fuck is this supposed to help me?
1 tr1pp1nballs 2018-05-21
You wonder what goes through people's heads? Isn't that the exact advice he gave you? Maybe you suck at it.
1 DoshLaunderSpic 2018-05-21
What's the logic behind it? Everyone can understand what some fictional person is going through, it makes no sense, unless you assume the person you're talking has zero understanding of human emotion.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-21
I doubt your local school bully who getting plenty of pussy is a master at empathy
1 PeterGriffin124 2018-05-21
It will increase your personality level. Women love that :)
1 thelittlemermaider 2018-05-21
It’s not going to help you because you have no idea how to tap into basic Human empathy.
1 virgin_nerds 2018-05-21
Dude watch, "10 Things I Hate About You" try and act more like Patrick Verona. Just stop caring about stuff. Then find a hobby I would suggest skateboaring, because you'll get tan and lean. Then quit caring. Quit caring about women. Quit caring about how others think of you. Quit caring about everything.
1 LinksLight 2018-05-21
I'm in my 30s, overweight with sore joints. I don't think I'm about to become the new Tony Hawks somehow
1 iFeelGlee 2018-05-21
That's not the advice you give when they're TRYING to care about shit.
1 gabzpianoxin 2018-05-21
piggybacking this comment to copy paste my reply to this guy from the IT thread:
Have u seen the bill maher clip about incels? i know u say u just wanna be friends but in my opinion his advice should help with both, in regards to sex, he said: "make yourself worthy of being fucked" like take care of your body, develop yourself (hobbies/job) etc. those things should help a lot with self esteem/insecurities. but i think there is a second big reason some men struggle with women, which is being bad at relating to and understanding them. for that, try and imagine that women see men the same way men see women.
oh, another piece of advice i just remembered from a long time ago learning about pick up artists, is to try to look for uglier women to hangout with first, and then working your way up.
i think the most simple advice that would help the whole braincels subreddit is to work on getting a good body, and vast majority of people can achieve a hot body and learn how to not be annoying.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-21
It's true. I watched 5 disney movies and now all the girls want my dick.
1 moggedbyall 2018-05-21
but you lose your dick in the process of watching Disney movies. Its a tricky situation. You gotta watch just enough movies with strong femoid roles that girls start liking you while you're still a man.
1 IncelsNeedLuvToo 2018-05-21
I dunno. The AB/DL and or Littles community seems to thrive on Disney = Pussy
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-21
Just wear adult diapers bro!
1 LinksLight 2018-05-21
was it hump back of notre dame
1 YoungMaleVirgin 2018-05-21
Lol I dare you to say that you think this is a great idea and that you are going to watch the movie Species.
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
Good lord!😂😂😂
1 BlackPillednProud 2018-05-21
tell them that you're gonna watch 50 Shades of Grey
1 boognish21 2018-05-21
Good movie.
1 YoungMaleVirgin 2018-05-21
Lol first movie with nudity and sex that I ever saw, my Chad Dad showed it to me in first grade and I been scarred ever since lol.
1 Ji6S4W 2018-05-21
I woulda said "hey great idea, I'll watch Human Centipede" >:)
1 YoungMaleVirgin 2018-05-21
LOL! Damn I wish I had thought of that. You are a genius!
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
i don't watch any movies or television anymore
seeing attractive people doing fun shit is too much of a sui fuel
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-21
oh my god me too
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
i just rot and die slowly
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-21
i watched 13resonswhy season 2 and i just got mad how everyone is cute the fuck
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
watch the wire, everyone is relatively ugly in that show and it's gangsta as fuck
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-21
thanks man , i have some good blackpilled anime manga too if you want
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
I wouldn't mind watching anime, whatchu got boyo
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-21
parasyte
full metal alchemist brotherhood
i have some blackpilled mangas but i forgot the names i just knlw them from the pics,its all about ugly guys taking revenge or something dungeon seeker is pretty blackpilled specially the lightnovel
1 LandoVolrissian 2018-05-21
I like parasyte a lot. Used to watch it on ADult Swim on Saturday nights.
1 SomeAsshatOnTheWebs 2018-05-21
Have you read berserk? That's some of the most grimdark shit ever and it's right up the alley of any depressed fuck.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-21
great taste
1 IncelsNeedLuvToo 2018-05-21
I liked Petshop of Horrors...
Any Fullmetal Alchemist (that is not the live action) is worth watching.
Death Note was fun...
Wicked City was interesting, though its an older movie.
Perhaps Hell Girl?
1 lttech86 2018-05-21
please share
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-21
The black/Korean lezzie detective is pretty bangin'..
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
yeah but you get to see her titties, if i recall correctly
and mcnulty was a chadulty, but i can't hate the guy
1 boognish21 2018-05-21
Great show. My cats are named Avon and Stringer.
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
does one bleed red and the other bleed green?
1 boognish21 2018-05-21
Yes, respectively. Almost went with Omar and Bird but I wanted to like them equally.
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
r u an incel though
1 boognish21 2018-05-21
No. I'm married with kids. I used to have many of the same thoughts and feelings I see bounced around here. It can get better.
1 IncelsNeedLuvToo 2018-05-21
Honest question: what is stopping you from going and doing fun things on your own? Maybe meeting somebody while you're out doing said things?
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
I came out of the womb a defeated sack of subhuman filth who was so aware of my subhumanity that I ldar'd and rotted for all 23 years of my pathetic life.
I never identified with inceldom only 2 months ago, while making fun of incels just 2 months before that.
I never, at any point, lived the life I was given. I never went to highschool. I never had friends who I kicked back with. I never smoked weed with them and watched the summer open up in the same way we thought our futures would open up. I never had great parents. I never had great teachers that tried to keep us on the right track. I was never on the baseball team in grade 11. I was never on the mock trial team in grade 12. I was never in college. I was never a party guy. I never made new friends and watched the autumn open up like we thought our futures would open up. I never partied too hard, and spent too much time trying to have fun, that I almost failed in my second year. I never quit weed and improved my grades 'till i made dean's list the next year. I never had great, and I really mean great, professors. I never had my friends dwindle down to the closest, most loyal few. I never did awesome, memorable shit with these few friends. I never tried to make music, race cars, or write the best prose of the 21st century. I never got accepted into a Master's program. I never felt a nagging emptiness inside me. I never felt so immobile before in my life. I never dropped out of college. I never drifted away and lost my friends. I never lost the passion for life.
I never sunk into obscurity. I never became something I would be ashamed of. I never realized the reason why. I never noticed my subhumanity. I never watched the spring close up like my future did before it. I never got to writing the best damn poetry of the 21st century. I never was in love with easeful death and called him soft names in every which way.
Nope, I came out of that womb, and rotted all 23 years of my miserable life
1 pangeacel 2018-05-21
The amount of things an incel might find "fun" and what women might find "fun" are vanishingly small; there's usually no overlap. Some might try to fake it and try new activities, but this ends up being more like a chore than a fun time. That has been my experience, at least.
Nowadays, when I go "out" do the things I find "fun", there's nobody else there, like managing my garden, or coding. I don't even find these things fun anymore, they're just ways to pass the time.
1 ChubbyFailure 2018-05-21
So, what flavor of Linux are you running?
1 pangeacel 2018-05-21
I run arch, but I don't have any strong distro preference. Gardening for pleasure, but hopefully one day for sustenance (I'm not very good at it)
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
This is only valid if you dehumanize women. Which, according to IT, is the sole cause of adult virginity
1 Deathlord291 2018-05-21
[new here, so I don't know if this is allowed]
How does this dehumanize women? If anything, to me it seems like it humanises them - making somebody think about their perspective surely makes them more "real" than an unreachable object?
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
That's what I meant. If you dehumanize women, watching movies with female protagonists would be a good way to humanize them. If you're looking for how to get laid, this is comically bad advice.
1 aBlissfulDaze 2018-05-21
I disagree, it was a shit ton harder when I tried understanding women. When I started bullshitting with them the way I did with my friends (treated them like a human) they found me much more attractive.
Then I got to see it the other way around where they kept doing things that to be frank, creeped me out. Like be overly nice, (think your grandma when your a kid and she won't stop giving you attention or praises). And that just completed my perspective on what I did wrong for years.
1 yuyuyuyuu 2018-05-21
i read a couple of romance novels with female protagonists for females. now i learn that as long as you are hot, tall, handsome guy you are supposed to be rapey, entitled, not care about consent, be weird, stoic, cool but i'm not any of these things.
what now?
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
You’re finished. Just like I am
1 LarrySellerz 2018-05-21
This is accurate, refute this normies. This describes the male lead of pretty much every teen paranormal romance novel
1 BlackPillednProud 2018-05-21
This.
There are so many movies out there where the guy acts like an actual creep (actually creepiness like stalking outside their window with a bunch of flowers at 4 in the morning everyday, not being socially awkward) and guess what? The girl completely falls for him.
1 skdnfasknolad 2018-05-21
Movies aren’t real life. You’re right, all that “romantic” stuff does come off as really creepy irl.
1 reddituser321824 2018-05-21
false, it's not creepy irl if chad does it
1 Dirkwastaken 2018-05-21
Daily reminder that chads do not do this
1 LadiesLovetheBalls1 2018-05-21
Well obviously chads don’t have I do any of that because women will all but throw their pussies at him.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-21
And yet women are the primary consumers of those movies. What does it say about them?
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-21
can’t be both, friend. Stoicism renounces entitlement.
1 bopoll 2018-05-21
What? They don't even contradict. You can feel entitled without expressing it. Boom. Stoic and entitled.
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-21
Not philosophically Stoic. Mayve stoic in a superficial sense.
1 bopoll 2018-05-21
Women aren't sexually attracted to your philosophy. It's all superficial
1 AyeThatsAGoodNagger 2018-05-21
Oh I know they aren’t I never said they were. Women are turned off and confused by philosophy.
1 boognish21 2018-05-21
I know 2 women that read these novels, and I doubt they are in your demographic. They both approach 300 lbs.
1 AnnoyingSeaAnt 2018-05-21
To own the dumb males and treat them like children, no matter the cost. Thanks The Last Jedi, Misogyny confirmed for truth.
1 IWillRopeAnyDayNow 2018-05-21
This has to be ironic right?
1 FinalFantasycel 2018-05-21
LMFAO THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY BETTER THAN US!
1 Dr-Ewseph 2018-05-21
If you think you're better why are you here?
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-21
That's fucking rich, because that question can easily be pointed to you under misinterpretation.
1 Dr-Ewseph 2018-05-21
Good thing it wasn't misinterpreted then.
1 completeutterbuffoon 2018-05-21
Because Inceltears is full of incels. You only need to lurk for a couple hours to find a slew of 20-something virgins who think they're better than us because they kiss roastie ass on reddit, even when they'd get the cops called on them if they got anywhere near a girl's backside in real life.
1 Dr-Ewseph 2018-05-21
How do you know? Also, wouldn't separating yourself from a cycle of endless self-deprecation/goofing on a bunch of whiners be considered a step in the right direction?
1 completeutterbuffoon 2018-05-21
Because I lurk Inceltears regularly and come across "I may be a 20-something virgin but at least I'm not an incel" comments and threads all the time.
Distancing yourself from incel culture (including the "antagonistic" side of the incel coin) might be helpful if it's not truly over for you, but deluding yourself into thinking you're higher up on the social totem pole than people with whom you share exactly the same predicament by bullying them is laughable, pathetic, and ultimately discourages real self-development.
1 Dr-Ewseph 2018-05-21
There are way too many levels of gatekeeping and self hate between these two threads for me to begin to understand where you people are coming from with this. That's part of why I don't see any problem with a little self help in the form of tossing some goofs into this shit pit. I'm done with this whole sub though it's too confusing so I'll get one last comment in. I know plenty of ugly ass dudes that aren't rich that fuck decent looking chicks without being in a relationship. Some are funny, some have a skill, a few are just good listeners with an understanding outlook but I'd say the biggest difference between you guys and them is they don't wallow in a self pitying circlejerk all the time. Fucking improve something about yourself and stop projecting your own self-hatred onto every person you meet. Or don't, you are strangers with keyboards that apparently don't want my help so I don't give a fuck what you do. Peace.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-21
Yeah, whatever, don't let the door hit you on the back.
1 GrinchBear 2018-05-21
Everyone is pretty much equally worthless
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-21
i think she was trying to say that men and women have the same thoughts. so if you put yourself in a woman's shoes, you would be able to relate because our thoughts are the same? i don't know why she brought up movies thought.
1 bcat124 2018-05-21
It's not even true, Women do not have the same thoughts as men at all. They are much more selective sexually, and have a completely different logic when it comes to dating.
1 trevmon 2018-05-21
she's thinking nothing. just uses the force with no training her runs in a world war I battlefield without thinking.
1 Hodgey54 2018-05-21
You got trolled bro.
1 INCELMAN2000 2018-05-21
Dude come on man, it works 100% of the time.
1 taftbrodda 2018-05-21
Actually, this could definitely help if you have any hope left. Imagine what she would think if you went up to her and asked her out. "Ew, does this thing actually think it has a chance with me?" And they'll either be disgusted for a bit or have their self esteem ruined because she may wonder if she really isn't worthy of Nick Bateman.
LDAR
1 NutNotBusted 2018-05-21
I thought that shit was a meme, not a really advice they give
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-05-21
the meme comes from the top commit of a inceltears thread where a incel asked for advice
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
It's an exercise in practicing empathy. Before you can understand what someone else is feeling and why, you have to imagine what someone else is feeling and why. If you can deploy empathy in social situations, it makes it easier to interact with and grow close to other human beings because you can more accurately infer their true emotions and intentions.
If you can only really relate to people who have had similar experiences to you, you'll have immense difficulty when it comes to meeting new people who are not like you let alone making a woman comfortable enough that she wants to be alone with you in anything other than a platonic capacity.
2 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-21
Do you people unironically tell others to learn empathy through fictitious characters in movies and their scripted behavior? Completely degenerate, holy shit
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
It's a practice exercise. It won't make you a master of social interaction, but it will make it easier to empathize with people. It's fairly uncomplicated from a conceptual point of view.
If someone's terrible at driving because they're too nervous behind the wheel of a real car, would it be unreasonable to give them a racing wheel, pedals and a car simulation game in a safe space to make driving more comfortable and natural for that person?
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
cultivating and encouraging imagination is the way to attain true empathy (see: Percy Shelley's Defense of Poetry)
1 CelderSrolls 2018-05-21
How about you fuck off and go watch Elephant Man.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-21
The point of simulations are that they are supposed to be realistic and this reach you
How are you suggesting movies to be realistic? How does fiction like movies relate to real life? It's absolutely retarded, it's like saying you should watch action movies to learn how to fight or something along those lines
And if these movies have an emphasis on the female leads being "strong", what makes you think this is necssarily reflective of real life? It would be prompt to exaggeration because, well, it's a movie. I have never ever seen anyone say watch movies to learn about life lmao, that's completely ridiculous
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
Some simulations are simply meant to make actions more natural and reflexive, making them easier to perform in high-pressure situations. Practicing endless free throws by yourself isn't the same as landing one under game pressure, but it will improve your chances because you have the muscle memory.
And this is not saying that movies are real life, it's literally just a practice exercise. I used the driving example as a way of illustrating that driving will feel more natural and comfortable if you've had low-stakes practice. Practicing empathy with fictional characters will make doing so with actual people more natural and comfortable. It's obviously not 1:1, but practice never is, is it?
Football players watch tape to improve their performance, and they run practice plays at 1/2 or 3/4 speed so they can run them full speed on game day without thinking about it. Those are physical and intellectual exercises to make executing the actual thing under pressure easier and more natural.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-21
A fucking inceltears faggot talking about empathy. Just Fucking Lol
Also the idea that you need to be able to "empathise" with the incredibly harsh experience of being a western female to get laid is absolutely fucking absurd. Complete and utter delusion.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
You don't need to able to if you bring other things to table but if you absolutely cannot empathize with a woman, and have nothing else that makes you desirable, you're fucked.
It's just another tool in your social skills set, and if you don't have it, it makes sense to practice it because being able to understand others makes your life way easier in every respect.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-21
No it doesn't lmao. It's completely irrelevant to sexual attraction and jfl at thinking becoming a soyboy cuck is gonna make your life easier and improve your social skills (also jfl at thinking this has anything to do with social skills)
1 CelderSrolls 2018-05-21
https://i.imgur.com/96Mhsiq.jpg
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
LOOOOL!
Ok, stop trolling me.
Really.
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
why don't you practice empathy here? with us?
normies barely know wtf is going with us most of the time
https://old.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8l3dns/ah_therein_lies_the_rub/
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
I am practicing empathy here. Notice how I'm not insulting anyone or talking about my personal life? I'm just pointing out that empathy is actually a useful social tool and can be cultivated with practice, through exercises. I'm not saying it's necessary, or that you don't have it, just that it's helpful for the person using it. Empathy and sympathy are different, and just because you're empathetic does not mean you'll treat others kindly or with respect, but it can certainly help. Like I said, it's a useful tool.
1 itsbeenover 2018-05-21
that's just the bare minimum to not be a cunt, just saying
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
It is here, certainly. In most arenas, social and otherwise, sharing your personal experience is a way to build trust and intimacy. On forums such as this, sharing your personal experience, if it is provocative, braggadocious or simply goes against the general opinion, is seen as an aggressive, condescending and inflammatory act.
I think not rising to insults and maintaining a straightforward, logical approach to conversation is doing pretty okay, but I suppose crossing the line into "not a cunt" is good enough.
1 TheEndIsComing29 2018-05-21
Are you a Chad?
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
I personally don't think so and I think it's best not to get into my personal life in a comment thread, out of respect for you guys and my general privacy.
1 mikepencetheincel 2018-05-21
“You just have to see it from her perspective. She doesn’t want to be polluted with your shitty genes, so she’ll get a chad to threaten you and/or beat you up so you know to stay away from her.”
Empathy makes me hate females even more.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
That's not empathy, that's projection. You're imagining what someone is thinking through your personal lens and constructed framework, which is not actual empathy. You're not imagining you're them, you're imagining a caricature of them based on your own suppositions and using that caricature to give voice to your personal fears.
1 vladimirlenincel 2018-05-21
Lol retardcel, Chris Brown has less empathy than incels do yet he still swims in pussy.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
Attraction is not binary, it occurs on a spectrum. Chris Brown is attractive and has also an excess of money and talent, which offsets his terrible qualities, especially if someone is only looking for sex.
1 vladimirlenincel 2018-05-21
You are vastly overrating the importance of empathy, the only things that are important in a conversation when trying to attract a woman are that you don’t act autistic and that you keep the conversations fun and exciting. Having empathy will just make you seem like a stool people can walk over.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
Practicing empathy doesn't automatically mean you're sympathetic to someone's feelings or become a pushover. I've found that empathy is a great tool to achieve your own wants because it allows you to better understand the motivations and desires of others. From a darker perspective, using empathy allows you to more easily engage in social engineering and manipulation but, if you don't believe it will make your life easier or your goals more attainable, I'm not really going to try to dissuade you.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-21
There's no other perspective, this is what you're preaching, manipulation, which is technically a big no-no in the Western society, despite it being used by everyone every time.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
I'm just offering another angle to emphasize the utility, because everyone here seems to think having empathy means you're automatically some weepy pushover rather than someone who can better identify people's motivations and desires. When I put myself in someone else's shoes, it's not to manipulate them, but to make sure they're as happy and comfortable as possible, that they feel attended to and cared about.
But it can also help you grow close to co-workers or impress a boss. It doesn't have to be dark, but I was looking for a perspective that might appeal to the folks here since, somehow, empathy mean equates to weakness for them.
1 VonMagnar 2018-05-21
A resident IT user talking about empathy.
Lol.
1 fuckup-nomore 2018-05-21
Happy cake day
1 SyrusDrake 2018-05-21
This is highly presumptuous in two ways though. First it assumes that everyone struggling with romance lacks empathy with women, which isn't just wrong but pretty insulting, actually. And second, it assumes that more empathy would increase your chances with women, which is demonstrably wrong too. Empathy with women is exactly the reason why I tend to not talk to them and certainly would ever act non-platonically around them. I made the mistake once of putting my interests above hers and confessed my feelings to her and it's certainly a mistake I won't make again.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
Putting your interests above hers is the opposite of empathy. Not only did you put pressure on her to reciprocate, but you didn't care about how she might feel in that situation. Had you been exercising actual empathy to the best of your abilities, you may have been able to infer that confessing your feelings in the hopes of her reciprocating was the wrong move for both of you.
And my comment doesn't assume all people struggling with romance (of either gender) lack empathy, it simply says that empathy is a useful tool and practicing it can improve your ability to move through life and interact with people you don't identify with or understand.
1 SyrusDrake 2018-05-21
Did you even read my comment or did you just read what you wanted to read? I fully admit that confessing my feelings was unempathetic and a mistake I will never make again.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
Sorry, that's not how it reads in context since it's one big paragraph. My bad.
1 victor88luizz 2018-05-21
High IQ post.
The responses to this comment show what is wrong about the users of this sub. It doesn't say empathy will turn will into a pussy slayer, it says it will help will relate and connect to other, which is important in any kind of relationship, not just romantic.
I always had a rough time understanding people feeling. Simple things about human relations that are natural and intuitive to most people used to make no sense to me. Only when I started to put real effort in understanding other I could have some real social life.
However, I still believe the exercise proposed is really stupid. I would suggest studying psychology and trying to see social relation analytically.
Btw, it's really funny the way IT demands empathy from incels but never exerces empathy towards incels.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
I do think there's value to trying to identify with fictional protagonists who are not like you, as an exercise in empathy, is valuable, but I see what you're saying. It has limited application to the real world but I think it can start to get you in the headspace of interrogating what people might be thinking through a lens that isn't entirely your own.
To your final point, I agree. I'm now regularly disappointed with a lot of what commenters on IT feel free saying. I'm not innocent of saying awful things myself, but the surge in incel hate and stereotyping after the ban of the original sub and the recent attacks has made me pretty uncomfortable with IT outside of the commenters who have been there since day one.
1 completeutterbuffoon 2018-05-21
Perhaps it is, but it's a sad practice, only useful for people on the autistic spectrum who have zero theory of mind. "Put yourself in the other person's shoes" only gets you so far before you start misjudging people's motives and thought processes due to this misguided idea that everyone else thinks and feels like you; although it is true that the vast majority of people have basic similarities in their psychologies, it's just that: basic. Once you start putting some nuance into your empathy, inserting yourself into people with entirely different natures and life experiences becomes a farce.
That's also assuming all female protagonists are realistic and nuanced--which, considering all the writers and publishers who seem to think a vagina is a valid substitute for decent writing, is far from guaranteed.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-21
LMAO
they're literally living, walking, breathing memes, unreal
1 harambeazn 2018-05-21
If you were to ask a normal person irl on how to attract girls, they would say shit like be confident , dress better, lift weights, get a haircuut and normie shit.
dont think any of them would say anything about watching scripted hollywood movies with female protaganists in order to get girls.
1 wont_tell_i_refuse_ 2018-05-21
This is actually real. What fucking universe do you have to live in to believe this?
1 LoneHiker14 2018-05-21
lmao
1 KarmaGang 2018-05-21
They are deadass serious, holy shit.
1 Legoman24 2018-05-21
She wants you to torture yourself by trying the LifeOnEasyMode simulator.
1 everythingshewants7 2018-05-21
Are YOU fucking serious, idiot? Why do you ask women for advice? You know you'll get bullshit answers.
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
True
1 mittrinilli 2018-05-21
Just three more strong female lead movies to watch and I'll be a normie. Yay IT!
1 firmiiiiiip 2018-05-21
holy fucking lol
coping level: MAXIMUM
1 everythingshewants7 2018-05-21
By the way, the only thing the female leadcharacter thinks about is: I want chad's dick. There's really not much going on in women's minds. 90 percent of the day, they have superficial sexual fantasies.
1 Arrcarius 2018-05-21
I'm a normie but thats some stupid ass advice.
1 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed 2018-05-21
This is actually not bad advice. I mean, putting yourself in the protagonist's place isn't really unusual, that's typically what we do to some extent whenever we watch movies. The sticker is making an effort to watch a movie with a female protagonist, since female protagonists are about a third as common as male ones.
1 jamie004 2018-05-21
why are you triggered, shes giving advice
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-21
Bad advice.
1 jamie004 2018-05-21
my local school bully is hated and bullied himself, hes a kissless virgin
1 throwawayMEMEBIGBOY 2018-05-21
No fucking way is this real
1 joemo555 2018-05-21
Putting myself in her shoes.... Now all I can think about is chads jawline. What a helpful exercise
1 offbeast 2018-05-21
They obviously just want you to end up killing yourself
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-21
What is she thinking? Probably some stupid shit I have no interest in.
1 bengalsturntup5532 2018-05-21
IT is a bunch of tards who ride the short bus ,they don't even understand most of them are betabux. They think it's their great personality.
1 moggedbyall 2018-05-21
There was a full list of retarded suggestions like this. Any have it?
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
I’ll look for it
1 Plague-Lord 2018-05-21
They still think this is about 'muh misogyny'. It's about inequality, just imagine for a second that females had it as bad as sub-7 men do, they'd be roping left and right.
1 flamethrowup 2018-05-21
Not an incel so I can confirm that women in general don't give a shit about this. Not once has a girl I was sleeping with asked me if I consume media from female creators or with female protagonists. All they care about is if you're attractive, if you click, and if you can fuck. That's it.
1 maskedcel 2018-05-21
And for us. We're not attractive enough to count.
1 t-away3 2018-05-21
I seriously hope this response was just antagonizing you and wasn’t actually serious.
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
Go to incel tears. They made a response to this post. He’s serious
1 advancedatheist 2018-05-21
How about, "If this creepy incel talks to me one more time, I'll report him to HR and try to get him fired."
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
1 Panseared_Tuna 2018-05-21
Odds are she was written by a male screenwriter, likely jewish.
1 DavidJewenstein 2018-05-21
I watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer and her motivation is clear: she wants to fuck Vampire Chads.
1 GeneralEi 2018-05-21
massively overreacting to telling you to empathise is ironic considering Incel culture essentially consists of praying that you sack up and rope sooner rather than later
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
You’re joking
1 FunFoon2 2018-05-21
So...what is this incel stuff? Cos it sounds lame AF
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
Get out.
1 FunFoon2 2018-05-21
But that's a movie on race. What's that guy to do with incels???
1 JuniorBanana 2018-05-21
Why did you ask IT for advice? Virtually everything they could say would make you angry
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
How to make female friends.😂😂😂
1 rmeza17 2018-05-21
What does IT stand for?
1 okayfrog 2018-05-21
I don't see what's so bad about this. It can be helpful to watch movies with female leads. Or try reading a book with a female lead, play a video game with a female lead, etc.
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
Stop trolling.
1 76iyufsd2r44 2018-05-21
protip don't act like characters in films and television its fiction
1 LinksLight 2018-05-21
a feminist relative of mine watches a BBC show called "fleabag" about a 30-something woman in modern London who sleeps around, cheats on her boyfriends, life is a mess, trying to sort herself out. And I read in the newspaper that the show is being hailed as a real woman's experience and part of the fight against slut-shaming, and that men should watch it to relate to women.
I must have a problem because Fleabag made me feel almost physically ill, and very unhappy remembering the real people the main character reminds me of, to the point where I'm considering not watching "Han Solo" because the Fleabag actress voices some alien or robot and just knowing that will trigger me. Shit I have issues.
1 FunFoon2 2018-05-21
Wow man you guys are some "Jerrys" - beta males to the max
1 Ryzasu 2018-05-21
I thought this movie female protagonist thing was just a joke
1 Ryzasu 2018-05-21
I picked Star Wars The Force Awakens and witnessed how Rey could use the force to some extent and defeat freaking Kylo Ren without any practice. Seems pretty blackpilled to me.
1 Madeon929 2018-05-21
Lol! Damn it! That’s actually true
1 mmmoklol 2018-05-21
IncelTears are mostly virgins and cucks. As a normie I would never, ever associate with them or their advice.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-05-21
Just cut off your balls and sacrifice them at the altar of the almighty uterus bro.
1 TruthbeTold9999 2018-05-21
She's thinking 'If any of these female leads were realistic the first henchman or obstacle would be the end of the movie. But damn it feels good to make ten million dollars for putting on makeup and a leather suit'.
1 FailureChampion 2018-05-21
It is here, certainly. In most arenas, social and otherwise, sharing your personal experience is a way to build trust and intimacy. On forums such as this, sharing your personal experience, if it is provocative, braggadocious or simply goes against the general opinion, is seen as an aggressive, condescending and inflammatory act.
I think not rising to insults and maintaining a straightforward, logical approach to conversation is doing pretty okay, but I suppose crossing the line into "not a cunt" is good enough.
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-05-21
the meme comes from the top commit of a inceltears thread where a incel asked for advice
1 reddituser321824 2018-05-21
false, it's not creepy irl if chad does it
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-21
That's fucking rich, because that question can easily be pointed to you under misinterpretation.
1 completeutterbuffoon 2018-05-21
Because Inceltears is full of incels. You only need to lurk for a couple hours to find a slew of 20-something virgins who think they're better than us because they kiss roastie ass on reddit, even when they'd get the cops called on them if they got anywhere near a girl's backside in real life.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-21
And yet women are the primary consumers of those movies. What does it say about them?