"Get therapy" is a very American viewpoint. I will advocate it in cases of severe depression, or for things like speech therapy for those who have trouble communicating verbally with others, but it's not a cure-all for everything that stops people getting a partner. Sometimes it's just down to the pickiness of the others around you.

Therapy is a session where you pay to get taught how to cope. Most useless waste of money ever.

Not my fault you don't have free healthcare like any civilised nation should.

What? Doesn't matter if you pay, it's a waste of time anyway

If it was ineffectual, it would have been discontinued as a healthcare system decades ago.

As it is, with mental health becoming more understood, it is becoming much better and more effective.

Although you do actually have to want it to help you. If you're just going to sit there saying nothing or lying, not wanting to be there and not wanting to get better, of course it won't help.

What is chemotherapy.

Chemo is treatment for cancer. It's a poison, and will also kill healthy cells, but it's getting better at being targeted at the cancer cells.

Well looks like ineffectual methods being used until a better method comes along is pretty fucking common.

Chemo isn't ineffectual.

Lmao you clearly have no experience with the American healthcare system if you believe that effectiveness has any hearnihg at all on treatment recommendations. Doctors are forced into a corner by insurance companies to follow specific treatment plans that will benefit the insurance company even if it goes against what the doctor believes is the best treatment route.

And yet again, I am very glad I live in a civilised country where healthcare is not held to ransom by insurance companies.

Healthcare is never free. I pay 7% of my salary every month to get state healthcare where I live, and it sucks, but I have no other choice since it's compulsory.

You could move to a country where you have to pay a hell of a lot more for health insurance instead and where people go bankrupt because of illness and accidents. You could move to a country where there is no healthcare and die of some preventable disease. All these choices, and you complain about 7% of your salary?

For 7% of my salary if I have a problem have to wait months or even years for routine surgeries because doctors are underpaid and are leaving the country.

Healthcare here is better than what they have in the US if you have flu or some other common disease, and you can get prescription medicine pretty cheap, that I acknowledge. But if you have a serious illness, tough luck.

If you have the flu, take paracetamol and fluids and wait for it to pas. There's bugger all else you can do for it really.

It would help if the stupid government hadn't come up with the stupid idea of leaving Europe, because we might have had better retention of overseas staff in the hospitals. As it is, nursing retention has dropped dramatically in England and Wales.

Plus there's the lack of research into some things, so yeah, it can be rather shit, and serious illness, depending on what it is, can be woefully slow to get treatment for.

At least you don't have to end up broke after having broken a leg though.

I brought the flu up because medicine is subsidized from the tax I pay. So while in the US there are outrageous prices for paracetamol, here the government pays for more than half the price.

All I was saying is that there is no such thing as "free healthcare". Somebody somewhere is paying for it.

Aye, and it's still free at the point of use. The fact that you pay a nominal sum into the system means you don't have to worry about cost if you ever get ill. I do still think it's a decent system, despite some of the waiting times.

I'd take the 7% tbh since at least I know that worst case scenario I have to pay only that much and no costs will be unexpected.

DMV hospitals.

"Get therapy" is a very American viewpoint.

And American society is very toxic as a whole. No surprise.

how is getting therapy toxic? The fuck

They don’t even listen and yell therapy.

You can't get speech therapy as an adult. I looked into it because I have a speech impediment that prevents me from pronouncing my own name (super humiliating whenever I have to introduce myself to someone). I had speech therapy in the past but it didn't work. And all the speech therapists either do kids (under 16) or old people with dementia. There were none within a 200 mile radius of me that would help adults.

I could hire an Indian dude online for 450 dollars an hour but it prob wouldn't be helpful for the money. Plus insurance doesn't pay for it and I'm too poor to afford it.

I just had a quick look on google for free online speech therapy stuff, and there does seem to be a wide range out there that could help. You could have a look into it.

Link? All I found was a bunch of super shitty games for 3 year olds.

http://www.home-speech-home.com/speech-therapy-resources.html

https://tactustherapy.com/free-speech-therapy-materials-adults-aphasia/

Try those and see if there's anything in there that could be of use.

Therapy is the worst cope in this world. Paying some Normie to listen to you bitch about your problem which they could care less about. All they see is dollar bills falling out of your mouth as you speak.

I had to talk to my case advisor and they had to switch me to a male therapist because the female therapist would just give me a list of things to do instead of listening to my problems at all. Like she would cut me off and give me a checklist of things to do once I wake up every morning like that would help me get a girl.

Yes she never tried to understand my perspective and thought I was waking up in the morning and going to class dressed like a bum. So she would try to tell me to wake up, shower, dress nice, and stupid shit like that. Like actually type it out and give it to me and the funny think is I was really self conscious so I would spend like 45 mins to dress up every single morning and I always went to therapy well dressed and groomed. They just want to make sure you keep coming back so they can keep making you pay.

Agreed to this day I am pumped full of drugs by them like I wake up in the morning and take multiple pills just because my parents won't let me stop.

Think about the demographic that becomes therapists.

I started a psychology degree before switching to healthcare. I could've pioneered the field of subhuman psychology. Fuck, I could have developed a robust on-the-spot test to determine an individual's incelligence quotient. I'd be rolling in those FBI bucks right now.

I just imagined a female therapist trying to inconspicuously chat on tinder while listening to incel bitching about his life

Think about the demographic that becomes therapists. All the women who partied and got black out drunk are the ones who decided to get a masters in psychology. Why does anyone think that the very women who reject and laugh at you would be able to help you in any way, shape, or form?

+1

The worst is when you get hooked with some fucking inane roastie therapist. As if some fucking random roastie that's been fucking spitroasted in college has any idea how to fix some dude as fucked up as myself and other dudes like me.

Male therapists for men. That's how it fucking should be. And even then that's not perfect, but it's still a lot better than roastie therapists.

I agree at least the male therapist recognizes that dating women can be hard. They are all useless but I would rather talk to a man who can understand where I might be coming from than some femoid who thinks dates just appear out of thin hair.

I agree at least the male therapist recognizes that dating women can be hard.

Not when its a chad therapist. Some guy on ForeverAlone talked about that.

Why so angry? What, did you fall in love with your female therapist just because she paid attention to you? I really don't see that anything would help most of you, you all hate yourselves too damn much to think you could ever be of any value to another person. All any of you seem good at is pretending you are victims. I would disown my son if he turned out like any of you and I'd be too embarrassed by him to even admit I was his father. Real men conquer their weaknesses and thrive. All any of you do is bitch online. Its fucking disgusting.

Yes we just decided to hate ourselves one fine morning because there is nothing better to do in our lives. Why the fuck is a real man like you bitching on a forum for virgins. Go fucking do something manly and get out.

I mean obviously he stumbled in here to see what all the commotion was about, saw this pathetic, self-degrading, misogynistic crock of shit, and commented on it. He is allowed to comment on a Reddit post, after all.

Maybe you guys should take his advice.

Maybe you should fuck off

No I’m good.

You like to think that about yourself, but it's just not true.

Ok :)

My whole squad uses this sub for lolz!

reeeeeeee

Real men post on reddit too feel superior to others.

I've conquered my weaknesses. I was a poor kid from a poor background but I studied hard and now I have a good enough job that I can support my family. I'm working towards a better one and I'll continue to climb the ladder. The thing is though, the girl problem simply isn't conquerable if you're super ugly.

>I would disown my son

Of course you would. Women never take responsibility for anything.

>to even admit I was his father

There's every chance you're not. If you weren't at least an 8/10 in looks, I would get a DNA test.

Actual underrated post

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/fatherhood/one-in-50-british-fathers-unknowingly-raise-another-mans-child/

i agree with this. if therapy solves your problems then you never had problems in the first place. its made for women, talking about your problems doesnt help men because their problems are real.

There's cognitive behavioral therapy. That shit can actually work. You basically train yourself out of the negative stuff that you do.

like being ugly?

How am I supposed to train "myself" out of not receiving attention from "girls"? It simply doesn't make sense.

if therapy solves your problems then you never had problems in the first place

absolutely incorrect. The amount of upvotes you have goes to shoe how stupid some people here are.

I normally just browse these threads for shits but I feel compelled to comment on this one. I've had multiple therapists in the past, and I've had both men and women. I've had a few who were totally useless, but I've also had a few (again both men and women) who were truly helpful. Some people do go into the profession to help people. I dont see anyone anymore because I straightened my life out with help from the last one. Believe whatever you want, but whether it's a "cope" or not, theres nothing wrong with reaching out for help to someone who might be able to take suicide off the table

Let's be real suicide would be never off the table for most people here. Therapist can't get you our ugly asses in to a relationship.

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I have been to more kinds of therapy than I should have and it doesn't help because the problem is permanent. Like if I was depressed about normie problems like a break up it would help to vent.

the problem is permanent

There's your problem right there. You've already determined you're a lost cause.

That's the crux of the whole problem right? Not being able to find some one to click with.

Yeah very true. I acknowledge that I'm lucky to have found a few people, but they might be rare

>toxic

Come on, maaaaaaaaan.

The fact that you even needed "therapy" in the first place tells us you are a huge beta loser who would be kissing the curb IRL

1v1 me irl m8 I'll fuck u up cunt

You're a reddit stooge, you couldn't hurt a fly.

Oh yeah how much do u bench big boi

https://imgur.com/YP2Gzi9

nice tits nu male. Lay off the soy.

Kiddo ya post on braincels everyday dont tell me you know what a boob looks like

Nice come back, is this what gives you inspiration for sanctioned boxing matches?

Therapy is the new beta bux.

Femoids figured out how to get the bux without even marrying or fucking us. They study psychology/counselling (female dominated). They deny us sex. Then when we get bitter they tell us to go to therapy. We pay for many therapy sessions without seeing results. Then she goes out clubbing and fucks a Chad.

Reading this comment just makes me happy. We’re basically free because we have this knowledge.

They just and prescribe you drugs to make you more agreeable.

My therapist is a big black dude and he’s my bro. Stop being such a sad faggot LOL

while i agree therapy is shit, you clearly don't want change that much if you're not willing to work for it

High IQ post. I went to a crisis therapist who saw the worst of the worst (clients who were actively suicidal, in abusive situations..) He said he loved his job because he got paid to listen to people's problems. He also laughed and said he loved it when people didn't show up and that he got paid regardless.

I love how absurdlivingghost had to fuck off from his own advice posts because he was getting sick of the platitudes, so he went to IncelswithoutHate for it instead.

Quality keks right there.

Being an Uncle Tom can be really tiresome.

because he was getting sick of the platitudes, so he went to IncelswithoutHate for it instead.

LOL

Therapy is such a dumb answer. Also, is there any evidence that therapy works (besides special exceptions)?

Works for mentalcels and overall guys/girls with mental illnesses that have a cause that's all in their head. For incels, its not in their head. Its literally due to bone structure and genetics. You need to solve the root cause.

I am trying it. Will report. I have had 2 sessions and so far its good. Cried in the first session because I was revealing too much about myself. inceldom is just 1 of the problems. Shitty robot mentality and depression, mentality are most of the problems.

Yes, you can Google studies that show improvement in most metrics that describe quality of life when cognitive behavioral therapy is used.

All cucks.

"So tell me about how you feel"

"Right and that makes you feel lonely? and angry"

"Have you ever had close friends that were women"

"Alright I think I can see, tell me about your relationship with your <Insert randomised family relation>.. "

"And did that make you feel <Insert common sense reaction emotion>"

"I see."

"I think we really made progress today"...

That'll be $150. "Uhh yess chad comming, this cuck just gave me 150 bux to ask him dumb questions... Lets go to a fancy dinner? No? Just fuck me over the couch and Pizza? Il'l be home in 15!"

Hey, VoidPillz, just a quick heads-up:
comming is actually spelled coming. You can remember it by one m.
Have a nice day!

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can every bot on reddit be banned already? i've yet to find one useful at all except maybe stabbot on like 3 gifs

y'all bot is cool.

That's not actually how it goes. That's how the new age morons who present this version of it to the public think it goes, which is why they love it. Feeling, healing, sharing, and caring...now it's time to meditate.

But in reality, therapists don't ask about feelings. Ever. They just ask basic questions and then never say much of anything. They have no advice.

Their sole mission is to fill the time and collect their paycheck.

Advice offered over the internet is for the most part useless. The person needs to know you well enough to know why you're a virgin.

Oh even if they see you they will still spew bullshit.

We're just a tiny, memey minority. There are tons of factually incel guys out there. It's no wonder given women's insane standards.

Therapy is one-trick pony of constantly, to no end dropping the truism that 'you might be wrong' and expecting credit as if this weren't literally the laziest, trashiest thing to say in a conversation. Therapists never engage the situations their clients come with. This takes effort, and the social parasites that therapists are are not interested in effort as long as they can pull cash for just 'learn to question every assumption of yours'. Once mastered, this trick can be paraphrased in tens of thousands of ways, like this therapist here demonstrated.

Why suggest particular suggestions how to decipher someone's motives or earn more or finish a school if people are lapping up the fountain of therapeutic shit of 'well, begin with questioning your assumptions, challenge your preconceptions, identify your prejudices, observe your thought processes...'

Do you see how I'm doing it? Do you see how I'm generating therapeutic trash with literally zero effort?

Would you pay me for doing this?

Then stop paying therapist parasites.

I tried therapy. Here's my experience.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8c9xcz/i_took_the_normie_advice_and_got_therapy/

i tried therapy too 4 separate times in my life. its honestly amazing how useless it is for people with our issues. but they will gladly take your money.

Man, I did NOT realise that on Reddit there is an actual subreddit FOR Incels. I thought there were only ones making fun of you guys.

Woah man, I wasn't making fun of anyone. The post was a joke and observation.

Your wording didn't help.

why would anyone step foot in that sub?

What pisses me off the most about their "advice" is how poorly it applies to your individual circumstances.

If I paid no attention to reality and took the advice of these assholes, I would have probably lost my apartment, my car and much more. Fuck these cretins.

Also, probably the reason THEY can't get women is because they're fucking boring. Seriously, reading through IncelTears is so fucking boring. The most boring group of people on the internet, I'd much rather post on a knitting forum than post on IncelTears.

Just a bunch of boring, uninteresting people who get offended by fucking everything. They bury their heads in the sand at reality and hope that everything will go away.

Fucking cowards.

then get therapy from either a roastie who has had an easy life or a guy who even if he is blackpilled knows he can't tell you the truth or he might lose his job.

Dude, their threads suck. I posted the typical (though useful) looks max advice, and it instantly got removed. They only want answers that fit their narrative

It’s the things that can’t be changed that matter the most in dating (height, race, facial structure) everything else is just a platitude. Incel Tears advice just assumes you’re at the absolute bottom, living at home, never having talked to a woman and not having a job. When they discover these stereotypes aren’t accurate they look for other ways to attribute the fact you’re a virgin to your own action or inaction.

The simple fact of the matter is it doesn’t how many clubs/hobbies you participate in, those things are for people who struggle to make friends on their own. Chad puts a photo on an app and can fuck eight women in the time it takes an incel to be rejected by a few dozen.

Just pay some Jew thousands of dollars to LARP as a friend bro.

I bet a lot of them are psychology majors (liberals do tend to pick worthless careers), so they're trying to farm customers so they can make good money in their shitty career field.

i didn't know therapy makes you taller?

Therapy is a jewish meme. Every therapist should be culled.

People who are attractive and have only had positive experiences (Multiple partners) should not give advice. I've had a coworker in my job at Kroger tell me I'm genuinely hideous (That I look like an old man too) and then a few months later the topic of kissing/relationships comes up and they're surprised I haven't kissed anyone before because I was in their words 'a funny and nice dude.' even after making fun of me unironically for several months. They're all surprisingly confrontational and truthful compared to most. Apart from when it benefits their egos.

The guy'd make jokes about me being ugly and the girl I had a crush on burst out laughing after repeating the word 'ugly' after him. Then they would be all positive and fake when it came to other occasions. I appreciated their honesty but there's nothing more that I hate is hypocritical and dishonest people that go back on what they think when confronted or when it makes them feel better. Their view is skewed because they're so used to the idea of getting sex or being in relationships that they can't fathom the idea that one might not be able to do that because they've never been in my shoes.

Same people who used me as the butt of the joke by asking someone if they'd date me, just so they can hear that person tell me to my face 'Why would I date that thing?'

TL;DR: Normal people give shit advice because they're never experienced not being not ugly. Similar to how rich people assume poor people are poor due to their own fault when there is much more to it than that.

Bonus story: I was pushing carts outside and apparently one of the girls who applied for the job was walking out of the store with her friend. I overhear her talking to her when she says 'I can't believe they hired that thing over me.'

The reason they recommend therapy is because it's clear most "incels" do not love themselves. They look to females as being their sole source of validation, which is pretty messed up. You need to love yourself before you can love anyone else.

i tried therapy too 4 separate times in my life. its honestly amazing how useless it is for people with our issues. but they will gladly take your money.