laughter is my only cope besides vidya and gymceling

I've read this exact thing somewhere else. Where'd you get it from?

Ah cool. Good post btw

Long reads are intimidating to norms so you get less brigade.

Its over for plagiarincels

Thank God u psychos will NEVER procreate. Nature is weeding u out of the gene pool for a reason. And the hypocrisy! Ur as bloated and physically repulsive as Trump but u feel entitled to "10's" and look down on any woman that doesn't meet ur insane standards! U urselves don't meet ur own insane standards! And u wonder why women are repulsed by u! Anyway, ur repulsive personalities are what guarantee u genetic oblivion, not ur fat asses. Concentrate all ur sad sexual energy into making some money and buy yourselves some eastern European whores like Trump did with Melania and stop killing innocent people, u dumb, pathetic fucks.

Look at his post history. Very clearly a bot account imo.

Legit the funniest shit I’ve read. You sir, are a good roaster.

Oh look, another low IQ normie who is replaying the broken record.

Curious and well meaning normie here. A lot of men throughout history didn't get the chance to reproduce. And we all know evolution. Is there a way you guys could just be happy knowing you're indirectly contributing to the greater good?

"greater good"

you're under the mistaken assumption that women are sexually selected for is anything even tangibly related to whats "good".

in the past, society socially engineered women to require them to pair up with men based on their earning potential as women were barred from employment. for their survival they were obligated to put aside their hypergamous instincts and intentionally pick someone who was more than merely good looking. women who had a bad reputation wouldnt be able to secure a good man due to slut shaming and so they were disincentived from participating in the pseudo-harems of today. in a world where women can support themselves and theres no societal reprocusions for being disloyal - theres no incentive for women to select for anything beyond pure attraction. -_-

they're merely selecting for whats "good looking" :2

You would not care about the greater good if you were miserable all the time.

Follow up question that might sound crazy. What if all the incels dated each other? Might be better than nothing?

Female incels don't exist.

Man to man.

The first time I read this post I was so depressed I laid in bed for like 2 days only to get up for food.

Suicide fuel

There are othER things that can make me happy...

Not true

Life is brutal, no one said it would be easy.

Even if it's hard, I'll still fight for what I want.

This just made me realize how hilarious it is when IT users try to insult us. Whatever they say, it will never compare to the shit we say to ourselves and each other.

Painful truth my ass. You want the painful truth? Here it is.

Your self hatred is why nobody wants you.

It's really that simple. Nobody wants to be around someone who hates themselves. "If a girl comes on to me, she must be either playing a mean trick on me or fucked in the head, because why would she do that?" Who wants to have that hanging over their head all the time? You hate yourself so much, nobody who wants to be with you can hold any value to you, because they would choose to be with you, so that makes them stupid or worthless...

That's why people avoid you. No "Gatekeeping", no sexual marketplace issues, no repression... just your pathetic outlook on yourself.

You want to know how to fix it? Go out into the world. Seriously. You can do it. Take a "job" working as a volunteer in some third world country, see the world, find out what the rest of the world has to offer.

Find out what YOU have to offer.

Because the only thing keeping you down is you.

“just fuck off to a third world country so we never have to deal with your existence bro”

I feel like you're missing the point on purpose, but I'll play along. I don't think you should live there forever, but seeing the world is a powerful way to understand yourself better, and to find the things in yourself that are worth loving. It's not "Fuck off to a third world country", it's see the world, however you can. That's one easy way for someone without any dependents to travel.

And I've taken work in remote places to move around. I've never gone to a third world country to do so, but I know people who have, and I regret not going with them when I had the chance. I learned to love myself through other experiences, but I always look back and wish I could have gotten up the courage to do so.

Why do you no longer have the chance to go to a third world country? What is stopping you?

Honestly? Because I'm happy where I am, and I don't want to give up what I have for that experience. I have a family, a wife and kids. And while there will always be things in my past that I wish worked out differently, I really DO like where I am, and those experiences are not worth losing what I have.

Which is why it's something you should do BEFORE you get the rest of the package. Seriously. Turn being alone into a benefit.

I am happy where I am lol. Don’t have to turn being lonely into a benefit, I’m quite happy being alone, much mire preferable to me than the idea of marriage.

Lmao. If you were truly happy you wouldn't waste your time here.

See you on /r/MGTOW in a couple of years when your wife divorces you and takes half your assets and both kids. Fucking cuck.

Well at least he has progeny and successfully spread his genes.

That's more than you will ever do.

True ngl tbh.

I did, and apparently I'm a 'turbochad', except I'm gay.

but i think I agree with this sub that some people will probably just never get laid. Anyway that's all I have to say kk thx bye

Well, my brother who is 28 years old doesnt hate himself but cannot seem to get a woman to even give him a chance.

What you're saying miiiight be the reason for a few individuals, but there is certainly people out there that will be alone, no matter what outlook they have on life.

And it's kinda hard to love yourself when you've been bullied and rejected your whole life.

I've honestly never met someone who would class as someone who would be alone no matter what. Obviously, in a world of 7 billion, they will exist... but they're much rarer than I think you think.

And it's not about not hating yourself, but being happy with yourself. If you can get to the point where you are happy enough with yourself that not having a companion isn't a big deal, well, then at the very least it's all good. And usually, when you get to this point, paradoxically you appear more attractive to others. Not because you "don't hate yourself", but because if you can overlook your flaws, why shouldn't I?

As for loving yourself when you've been bullied and rejected... Yeah, it's not easy. But it helps to think about this: Anyone who wants to bully another human is a piece of shit. I don't CARE what a piece of shit thinks of me. So what they say is the opinion of a piece of shit, and holds no value. Anyone who thinks that it does, is a piece of shit as well, and can be safely ignored. So fuck'em. You're better than they will ever know, and shouldn't even care that theyre there.

This strikes me as kind of naive. "The only thing keeping you down is you". The Halo effect is very real. People will always just you based on looks, and the effect that can have on a person is considerable.

You wouldn't offer the average person the advice of going to a third world country to deepen their self knowledge if they wished to enter a relationship, and even if that advice would work, why should someone be forced into a scenario like that when you're average/above average guy doesn't? The only reason can be judgement based on looks.

And self hatred doesn't count for much, depression is pretty much fetishized these days, but only if you're attractive as well.

How did your father managed to get laid then?

arranged marriage and looks better than me anyway

Well, at least there’s an arranged marriage awaiting you, so chill.

nope, born in the west and barely know how to speak the language or much about the culture where they are from. being brown but in a white country is guaranteed inceldom

I’m brown too in a white country but the incelhood is history for me. As far as I am concerned you have two options:

1) Learn more about your culture and language and „import“ someone from the old country, arranged marriage doesn’t care much about the looks of a dude as long he has a stanle job and a bit of money. This option sucks in my opinion.

or

2) You learn more about your culture etc AND figure out what’s wrong with you besides looks together with someone who’s close to you like a sibling or a good friend and change subtly a few things like the way you speak, facial expressions, your style. Sounds like something a normie would say but you could literally do anything to improve yourself and feel better about yourself. Your motivation can but shouldn’t only be to get laid. If changing doesn’t work, it still was an experience for for you. And you got the import-wife.

Move back to the country he's from.

AWALT. If he brings back his ethnic foid, she'll just get brainwashed by feminism and turn him into a betabux when she discovers this thing called tinder and how she can attention from any man.

We‘ll let you know if your opinion is needed, thanks bro.

Condescendgame on point.

It's the internet. You're gonna get opinions whether you like them or not.

Still doesn’t mean that you have to blurt out nonsense just for the sake of saying something.

Nonsense? I'm literally warning against the dangers of "import wives" and you're calling it nonsense?

You have no idea how bad it really is, do You? From the passport wives, to the cold, ninja gold diggers who calculate every move before striking the killing blow.

so youre saying i should learn how to be more social and get better clothes? that doesnt get people laid unless they were hiding their good looks with autist tier clothing and body language. i dress normally and can talk to people when needed. maybe i could steroidcel and try to run just be large game

I say you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone. But don’t blame other people if you won’t get the recognition you want.

He's half a foot taller and spent his entire youth playing sports, partying, and working out, not for any kind of (((self improvement))) but because those were the things he naturally enjoyed doing

I just don’t understand this. I can tell you that women find men who buy into “incel” ideology are incredibly intimidating. They way you talk and the stuff you go on about indicates that you see women as nothing but objects. The way you say women are “gate keepers” to sex is scary because it makes it sound like you don’t understand that sex is based on 2 way consent.

If you could stop for one moment going on and on about how women as an entire group are cheating you of something, I sure you would come across as a completely different sort of person. No one is evil I think, I’m sure lots of you are very nice guys but the whole collective thinking on here seems misguided and very worrying.

can u pm nudes?

Haha, I’m told there are lots of pictures of naked women on the internet already! 😅

so contribute with ur own?

I have a boyfriend, I’m not sending random strangers pictures of my naked butt. I think you have kind of missed the point of my post a little bit :(

u dont have to send butt pics im fine with tits

I’m trying not to treat you like a complete creep, but please fuck off now.

oh wait wtf ur 260lbs nvm

I’m so sorry I’m not good enough for you 😂 good luck out there

I'm not like that other guy. I respect women and i respect you. Now post tits, you skank.

😅

This is no place for reason. Your attempts to change/comfort them only causes aggravation. Some bc they are deeply sexist, some bc they truly have no hope and they know it and they are tired of people who do not understand telling them otherwise.

Thank you goodboy (nice username :3)

You’re right, I shouldn’t have engaged. I find the views toward women expressed here abhorrent and deeply disturbing and I felt obligated to say the “I’m sure you are nice people really” but because I was literally scared of what people would say if I didn’t. It’s definitely the last time I will ever post on anything related to the “incel” community.

You’re also right that I don’t understand. I wish I could empathise more, I think the disconnect is too deep though, which is a shame. I believe everyone deserves to be happy in life and I believe a dialogue is always the best way to try and reach out and get over hate, but it’s hard to see someone blame their unhappiness so wholeheartedly and aggressively on women.

I’m not sorry if I have offended anyone by my original post, but I am truly sorry if you are hurting to the point where your views echo those I have read here.

kek

You either don't understand human sexual selection from an evolutionary point of of view, are too simple to see the reality manifesting all around you, or you fully understand it and you're trying to virtue signal to appear more socially desirable.

Those are your three options. Pick one.

You either don't understand human sexual selection from an evolutionary point of of view, are too simple to see the reality manifesting all around you, or you fully understand it and you're trying to virtue signal to appear more socially desirable.

Those are your three options. Pick one.

Um I don’t really get what you mean? I just think that it’s not a) a right to have sex b) not true that unattractive guys never get partners or c) that you can use “sexual evolution” for deeply misogynist beliefs. I guess I’m not super clever because I don’t know what virtue signalling means, but I can google it maybe.

We aren't conventionally unattractive. We are disgustingly ugly and repulsive. We are simply not meant to reproduce.

I don’t want to be patronising at all, I’m so sorry if it comes across this way, but I really believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that the way you view yourself isn’t necessarily the same way other people see you. And looks aren’t everything! I think the problem with stuff like OLD is like, everything is so superficially based, when there is so much more to attraction, from personality to mannerism and outlook. And those things can be moulded.

Like even me for instance, I’ve never been considered ugly but as the other posted so kindly pointed out, I have put on a lot of weight over the last couple of years due to 2 pregnancies in as many years. If I put pictures of myself up people may well just see a fat girl but there’s plenty more to me than that, that people IRL can see.

I understand that insecurity is hard to get over though and again I’m really sorry if I come across as patronising or as not understanding 🌸

> I don’t want to be patronising at all, I’m so sorry if it comes across this way, but I really believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that the way you view yourself isn’t necessarily the same way other people see you.

I know you're trying to be nice but this just isn't true. Standards of beauty are universal.

> And looks aren’t everything!

They are now.

But says who? Looks will always be glorified, sure. Because they are appealing (no getting around it) but also because they drive huge profit in many different ways.

BUT, nobody can make them the be all and end all of life. Even if you wanted to look at it in the most cynical way possible, there simply aren’t enough super good looking people in the world, there are loads of people who exist who are not so attractive. And there are plenty of people who aren’t so attractive who aren’t just going to not live life and form relationships. It’s all about outlook. You might not marry a supermodel, but telling yourself and others that there is literally no hope for you based solely on how you look is damaging and just plain wrong.

I can never compare myself to your situation if you have never felt loved and wanted but I know how insecurity feels and I know how damaging it is. People always told me I was pretty, but I have gained literally a hundred fucking pounds in 2 years and the guilt and shame I feel is not only painful but drives a wedge between me and my (much more objectively attractive now I’m so chubby) partner because I don’t feel like I deserve his affection. But of course I do! He loves me for who I am and the fact that my physical appearance has changed doesn’t mean my worth as a human being has gone down. But it’s only me who can make me feel that way.

You can find someone who feels the same and have a mutually beneficial and supportive relationship. But it really isn’t a cliche to say that your happiness ultimately comes from yourself, and the way you project yourself into the world has such a drastic impact on how people perceive you. I’ve found many guys who you may not say are objectively good looking attractive because of who they are.

It’s not a myth or a magic unicorn for you guys as individuals to find somebody who is into you, stop telling yourself that dammit!

The one thing I will say that I know is going to upset people and make you turn on me again though, is that women don’t like to be made to feel like objects, or that their entire worth to you is based on how willing they are to have sex with you. I hope you know that but sometimes you guys seem to post stuff that really doesn’t focus on anything else but sex. Calling women “used up sluts” is awful :/ you need to stop because the same way black people aren’t going to go near a racist or gay people aren’t going to go near a homophobe, a woman isn’t going to go anywhere near a guy who appears to have views she sees as misogynistic.

I’m hoping this sub is mainly a case of, kind of, it’s the anonymous internet so I can vent and be angry without thinking much, rather than an actual mindset that drives your whole life

But says who?

Says? Nobody. Acts like that? Everyone.

Even if you wanted to look at it in the most cynical way possible, there simply aren’t enough super good looking people in the world, there are loads of people who exist who are not so attractive.

To marry? Yes. To fuck? No, there are plenty of 8+ men to fuck all the women in the world. That's why this sub exists. I don't want to wait until I'm 40 and then marry some used up slut who needs a free paycheck now that she's too old to fuck around, and for whom sex with me will be a burden because I can in no way measure up to the guys who pumped and dumped her and were 5 points above her in attractiveness.

I can never compare myself to your situation if you have never felt loved and wanted but I know how insecurity feels and I know how damaging it is.

I don't feel insecure. I'm a realist.

He loves me for who I am and the fact that my physical appearance has changed doesn’t mean my worth as a human being has gone down.

Actually, it does. In some mystical sense maybe not, but in any sense that actually matters it very much does. People treat you differently now that you're fat, don't they?

a woman isn’t going to go anywhere near a guy who appears to have views she sees as misogynistic.

Whether or not a women pays attention depends on how attractive you are. You can say the most vile shit to a woman and she'll still fuck you if you look good. http://i.imgur.com/tPR3rIc.jpg

"used up slut" is not misogynistic. It's a factual description of a particular type of woman.

I’m hoping this sub is mainly a case of, kind of, it’s the anonymous internet so I can vent and be angry without thinking much, rather than an actual mindset that drives your whole life

The swearing and hating is just venting, but the rest is reality.

Again though your entire focus is on sex and the superficial. You might not be able to have loads of sex with multiple women but you could find a partner.

It’s hard to say without sounding like a dick but when slimmer I was attractive. I’d have good looking but obviously arsehole guys come up to me on a night out and I can promise you I did not want to sleep with them. I have only gone home with a guy like that twice in my life and they are also 2 of the biggest regrets of my life. You have a very odd view of women, whether you want to acknowledge it or not it is misogynistic and it’s clear you basically see them as things to have sex with and nothing else. The way you talk about them and the way you view their motivations and desires is very telling, and I can tell you does not represent the majority of women.

Where the hell you at the idea that a woman can treat a girl like shit and she will be attracted to you based purely on your looks is absolutely beyond me. Do you understand at all that we are human beings with thoughts and feelings like you, not mindless reproduction robots??

Oh yes, people who don’t know me treat me different now I have gained weight, I don’t get harassed and catcalled the same way and I don’t get as much overly friendly interaction from strangers. But people who do know me treat me the same. You have to stop living in a mindset where there is absolutely nothing below the surface of superficial social interaction with people you don’t know.

“Used up slut” absolutely is misogynistic and don’t be so obtuse and to not realise there are other less disgusting ways you could describe a woman who has sex.

This is the biggest and weirdest disconnect I see with the incel community. The constant lamentation that there aren’t women willing solely have sex with you, yet the belief that all women are basically whores who are willing to spread their legs, with the absolutely only requirement being that the man she is opening them for is physically attractive. It’s just pretty clear that you hate and blame women for your own perceived lack of self worth. It’s very sad but obviously I’m very out of place here. I only heard about you guys through a feminist forum and I didn’t really think everyone could believe the same narrative. The used up slut thing and the “a woman will fuck anyone one as long as he’s good looking” just sound like naive philosophies spread around yourselves and perpetuated as fact. Please realise that women are worth more to both themselves and men than to be like that.

Anyway I will stop posting now, I can see it was a mistake and despite me genuinely wanting you guys to be alright, it is very hard as a feminist and just as a woman to hear you talking about women this way.

Good luck, I mean that sincerely

Again though your entire focus is on sex and the superficial. You might not be able to have loads of sex with multiple women but you could find a partner.

I'm not asking for more than one, and no I can't. Unless you mean the used up slut.

I’d have good looking but obviously arsehole guys come up to me on a night out and I can promise you I did not want to sleep with them. I have only gone home with a guy like that twice in my life and they are also 2 of the biggest regrets of my life.

So basically what I said is true, even for yourself, lol.

You have a very odd view of women, whether you want to acknowledge it or not it is misogynistic and it’s clear you basically see them as things to have sex with and nothing else.

You think you're a very good mind reader for somebody who clearly has no ability to empathise with men, except through a female centric lens. Sex is a primal need for men. It is the foundation of any relationship. But that doesn't mean that we don't crave intimacy and a life partner.

Where the hell you at the idea that a woman can treat a girl like shit and she will be attracted to you based purely on your looks is absolutely beyond me.

Do have any self awareness? You just said two sentences ago that you had sex with attractive guys who were obvious assholes.

I created a Tinder profile with an attractive pic and in the text I stated that the guy was out of prison and I just said "wanna fuck bitch?" and a lot of women gave their number. With my own picture I have zero matches if you don't count the scambots.

“Used up slut” absolutely is misogynistic and don’t be so obtuse and to not realise there are other less disgusting ways you could describe a woman who has sex.

Explain why it is misogynistic to accurately describe the behaviour of such a woman.

The constant lamentation that there aren’t women willing solely have sex with you

This is your own fabrication to justify your lack of empathy.

The used up slut thing and the “a woman will fuck anyone one as long as he’s good looking” just sound like naive philosophies spread around yourselves and perpetuated as fact. Please realise that women are worth more to both themselves and men than to be like that.

Women who act like that are worth exactly that.

Anyway I will stop posting now, I can see it was a mistake and despite me genuinely wanting you guys to be alright, it is very hard as a feminist and just as a woman to hear you talking about women this way.

Poor you, are your feelz hurt because people who get rejected and treated like shit for being born with the wrong facial bone structure used mean words on the internet?

I don’t think you’re being mean to me, I’m posting because no matter what I say, it’s not going to achieve anything because we have wildly different outlooks and I don’t want to put myself in a position where I am either upsetting someone or making myself vulnerable to nastiness on the internet. Surely that’s a reasonable reason to end a conversation?

I wanted to tell you guys that you don’t have to write posts telling each other that you have zero chance at happiness, that it’s not true. And I truly believe that.

But you obviously disagree with me and I hugely disagree with you about the way you view women. Yes I said I went home with those 2 guys, I also said they were the biggest regrets of my life, literally, and it was horrible. But anyway, I genuinely wasn’t trying to be antagonistic, I feel sad that you feel the way you do and that others on here feel the way they do about themselves, but I also feel mad at the way you view girls. Girls are allowed to have sex with people, it doesn’t make them sluts. There will always be people, men and women, who for various reasons find it appealing when guys are mean to them. That doesn’t mean that they are the majority or that being one of those guys is something to aspire to. But yeah me sending you a few posts in the internet clearly isn’t going to make you suddenly change your outlook. I wish it would, especially the misogyny part, because it is genuinely scary being a woman sometimes and knowing that there are men in the world who feel a certain way about what women are worth and what they as men should be entitled to.

I think we are all human and the bad stuff we think usually comes from a place of pain, so I try to remember that when I see comments about “Stacey’s” and “used up sluts”, but it is sad for sure.

Surely that’s a reasonable reason to end a conversation?

Any reason is a valid reason to end an internet conversation. You are under no obligation moral or otherwise to continue it.

I wanted to tell you guys that you don’t have to write posts telling each other that you have zero chance at happiness, that it’s not true. And I truly believe that.

Why do you think that you are a better arbiter of our situation than ourselves?

If I say that I've tried all I can and nobody wants to be with me because I'm ugly, and I won't be happy if I have my first relationship when I'm 35 with a woman who has been sleeping around all her life and now sees me as a financial cushion, then what part of this don't you believe?

Yes I said I went home with those 2 guys, I also said they were the biggest regrets of my life, literally, and it was horrible.

Oh, I fully believe that you regret it, but you said "Where the hell you at the idea that a woman can treat a girl like shit and she will be attracted to you based purely on your looks is absolutely beyond me".

Girls are allowed to have sex with people, it doesn’t make them sluts.

What would make somebody a slut if not having sex outside of a stable relationship?

That doesn’t mean that they are the majority or that being one of those guys is something to aspire to.

Men become what women want them to be. With want them to be I mean the kind of the behaviour they reward, not the kind of behaviour they say they like.

I wish it would, especially the misogyny part, because it is genuinely scary being a woman sometimes and knowing that there are men in the world who feel a certain way about what women are worth and what they as men should be entitled to.

What do you think I feel entitled to, and what about it scares you?

Sorry again I didn’t mean to come across as an idiot or patronising by saying I know your circumstances better than you do, I just meant I don’t think it’s right to create a post like the OP telling already possibly insecure young men that they literally have no chance a relationship because women just won’t sleep with someone who is not attractive. I just don’t think it’s true as I’ve seen people I work with who I think are not attractive have girlfriends, have babies etc. I think it’s wrong to tell people that because they aren’t physically attractive they are inherently unloveable. I didn’t mean to judge anyone’s personal situation.

It’s just scary and I know it doesn’t speak for everyone but for example I’ve heard people say there are incel posts that say girlfriends should be like a government provided commodity, there’s been killings by a couple of people with incel ideologies and there are lots and lots of posts with less extreme kind of just general unsavoury exchanges between incel guys and women. It’s genuinely scary when as a woman your back is already up because obviously there are people who are willing to attack women to satisfy themselves, so to see people writing and saying stuff that seems to suggest stuff like men need sex, if women did this and that men wouldn’t be violent or wouldn’t hurt people, it’s just a really scary and threatening mindset. But obviously I don’t think it’s fair to say you or anyone thinks that for definite, it just comes across that way when so much emphasis is placed on what women do or don’t do. Like it’s our fault.

I just meant I don’t think it’s right to create a post like the OP telling already possibly insecure young men that they literally have no chance a relationship because women just won’t sleep with someone who is not attractive.

Why not? A dose of truth is much better than hordes of women lying to your face by saying "just be yourself and you'll find somebody".

I just don’t think it’s true as I’ve seen people I work with who I think are not attractive have girlfriends, have babies etc.

What is not attractive? Women rate 80% of men as below average.

I think it’s wrong to tell people that because they aren’t physically attractive they are inherently unloveable.

You should be telling this to women, then. We're just observing that fact.

for example I’ve heard people say there are incel posts that say girlfriends should be like a government provided commodity

This is a socialism parody. Men traditionally provide money and resources by working hard. The state redistributes this to fix inequality. Women traditionally provide sex and fertility, so by the same logic the state should redistribute that to fix sexual inequality.

there’s been killings by a couple of people with incel ideologies

There's been a thousand times more killings by muslims, but if I said about muslims what you said about incels you'd probably call me a bigot.

men need sex

Men do need sex. You literally die many years earlier if you don't. And you'll be unhappy.

if women did this and that men wouldn’t be violent or wouldn’t hurt people

One of the reasons why men are violent is because violent men make women wet. I can't help that, it's just true.

Like it’s our fault.

Like what is your fault?

That’s just not true though!! Why are you insisting that women are attracted to violent men! That’s an awful thing to say, do you know how many women suffer domestic abuse, day in day out, across the world, at the hands of men? Do you have any idea how misplaced that statement is? Porn is not reality, women do not like to be treated like pieces of meat. Fantasy is also different from reality, sex does have power play and women can be turned on by that fiction, buts it’s worlds apart from wanting violent men.

I will tell you right now, the same as you say I can’t understand how you feel, you have no premise whatsoever to say that women seek out violent and aggressive men and enjoy that behaviour. It’s a good thing feminism and socialism do exist then because women aren’t commodities to be distributed, we are equal human beings and it was only due to a sexist system we could not and still struggle to be equal earners. You can’t even see your own sexism truly. I was hoping to be proved wrong by the fears we have about people from groups of thinking like these and hoped there was a misunderstanding but it is literally exactly as I was worried.

Do you think women should be held accountable for guys who don’t have sex then? And why is it only guys on here? There must be women in the world who think they are so ugly they can’t get anyone. But the difference is the perception of entitlement. I guess it’s due to centuries of commodification of women, but men always seem to thing that sexy is a necessity.

That’s just not true though!! Why are you insisting that women are attracted to violent men! That’s an awful thing to say, do you know how many women suffer domestic abuse, day in day out, across the world, at the hands of men?

You contradict yourself in the same sentence. Why do you think those women stay with those men? Why do you think they get involved with those men in the first place? Why do you think that serial killers get hundreds of love letters? Why does the bully at highschool who punches somebody in the face get the girl?

It's evolution. Women who chose to be with violent men survived violent times. Women who chose to be with safe men got killed by other men.

Fantasy is also different from reality, sex does have power play and women can be turned on by that fiction, buts it’s worlds apart from wanting violent men.

I didn't say that women want violent men consciously. I said they make them wet, which you've just admitted is true.

It’s a good thing feminism and socialism do exist then because women aren’t commodities to be distributed

Commodities to be distributed? You have a warped sense of history. Men did all the hard work and protected and cared for women. Socialism and feminism fucked over men like me who could be good and hard working husbands for some average looking women to fuck hot men while feeling financially secure because the state takes half my paycheck. Fuck that. You created a dystopia for men like me for some marginal improvement in your lives which doesn't even translate into happiness because women have been becoming unhappier since the sexual revolution. It's disgustingly selfish, but you don't even see that because you lack empathy.

we could not and still struggle to be equal earners

Because you don't work as hard. You already get all the advantages in school and on the job market. If I was a woman I would literally be 2 times as likely to be hired, proven by science.

Western women are the most privileged creatures on the planet but they still want MORE MORE MORE.

There must be women in the world who think they are so ugly they can’t get anyone.

Female incels don't exist. If they do, send them here and there'll be a hundred guys offering themselves.

Do you think women should be held accountable for guys who don’t have sex then?

Women should be accountable for the system they've created.

But the difference is the perception of entitlement. I guess it’s due to centuries of commodification of women, but men always seem to thing that sexy is a necessity.

It is necessary to live a happy life. I don't like a system that has destroyed this possibility. Call that entitlement if you want. You know what I call entitlement? You advocating a system that feels entitled to take half my paycheck.

Also sorry I forgot to mention that your “proven by science” research is BULLSHIT. It is in relation to one single area of work, which is incredibly male dominated. So even I can quickly surmise that if someone is identically qualified (not less qualified by the way), then yes in this particular context I can see clearly why you as an employer would want to help close that disparity and hire a woman.

Also idk what you are on about with the half your pay check thing. I’m not actually a socialist as in literally. Wow your views are messed up. I actually feel like I have had a conversation with you a long time ago about abortion, or is it common to write a post by quoting little snippets of the other persons post?

Also sorry I forgot to mention that your “proven by science” research is BULLSHIT. It is in relation to one single area of work, which is incredibly male dominated.

That's the area that I'm in, and young women are advantaged across the board. Women earn less because they work fewer hours and they take more time off, but you think you're somehow oppressed and want MORE MORE MORE for doing less.

So even I can quickly surmise that if someone is identically qualified (not less qualified by the way), then yes in this particular context I can see clearly why you as an employer would want to help close that disparity and hire a woman.

So hire a woman who will be worse at the job than me and that's fair to me and her as individuals how? You're a misandrist who is in favour of hardcore discrimination.

Also idk what you are on about with the half your pay check thing.

It's called taxes.

I actually feel like I have had a conversation with you a long time ago about abortion, or is it common to write a post by quoting little snippets of the other persons post?

I don't remember that and I don't care about abortion.

Hahah okay buddy. As I said in my other post.. Women invented taxes? Women have created government and society? My god you are literally ridiculous, and it’s not even new, men like you blaming women for all of their problems are a tale as old as time. You literally said women like to be treated violently and you are asking me which of your views are warped? You are saying to me that women created the societies we are living in and you are accusing me of lacking historical knowledge? I call you out on your bullshit and you call me a misandrist?

There’s literally no point with you, or any of the people who think like you. I was hoping that wouldn’t be true be it absolutely fucking is, and that is why you are a woman’s worst nightmare. Not because of how you look.

As I said in my other post.. Women invented taxes?

You didn't say that in your other post, and neither did I say that in my post. Try harder.

You literally said women like to be treated violently and you are asking me which of your views are warped?

I said it violent men make women wet and you admitted that this is true. So you're shaming ME for accurately describing female reality. YOU are messed up.

You are saying to me that women created the societies we are living in and you are accusing me of lacking historical knowledge?

I didn't say that. Almost all of society was created by men. You're making shit up again. Sad.

I call you out on your bullshit and you call me a misandrist?

I called you a misandrist because you're in favour of discrimination against me because I was born with the wrong genitals.

There’s literally no point with you, or any of the people who think like you. I was hoping that wouldn’t be true be it absolutely fucking is, and that is why you are a woman’s worst nightmare. Not because of how you look.

Did you really think you could convince me with your shitty arguments? You think I haven't heard those before? I'm sure even you can see that you got absolutely destroyed in this argument. I know that's unpleasant.

You are a ducking idiot, you completely ignore all the valid things I say, and btw you absolutely DID say women invented the system in another post - “to benefit ourselves”. You have a male view of the world, you make stuff up to fit your views (neither me or the study said that a LESS qualified woman was more likely to get the job, they said EQUALLY qualified) you have no idea of your privilege as a male. I can promise you, that you have not “absolutely destroyed me” in this argument 😂😂

You actually pre empted what I was going to say next though. What I’ve learned by talking to you was exactly what I wanted to find out - the truth is that it’s not that you don’t know the things I say are right, it’s that you don’t care. You hold a hateful and demeaning view of women and you are comfortable with that. It’s a valuable lesson for someone thinking people like that deserve sympathy.

You are a ducking idiot, you completely ignore all the valid things I say, and btw you absolutely DID say women invented the system in another post - “to benefit ourselves”.

If you want to call me a fucking idiot, do get your spelling right, and quote for proof where I said women invented taxes because you're lying.

neither me or the study said that a LESS qualified woman was more likely to get the job, they said EQUALLY qualified

That's a low IQ view of a politically correct abstract. Read the data. No two people are exactly equally qualified. So if they pick a woman over a man because she is a woman, then by definition they pick her over a more qualified man. Even somebody with a sub 80 IQ can understand this.

National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track. http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360 This is the type of study that feminists would be screaming bloody murder over if the genders were reversed.

the truth is that it’s not that you don’t know the things I say are right, it’s that you don’t care.

I'd care if you made any valid points. Give me an example of a valid point you made.

You hold a hateful and demeaning view of women and you are comfortable with that.

Give me an example of a demeaning view of women I hold. Don't come at me with violent men make women wet again, because we've established that THIS IS TRUE. If you want to shame me for holding true beliefs that makes you a bigot.

It’s a valuable lesson for someone thinking people like that deserve sympathy.

At least we now both agree that you lack empathy.

Dude, you know how you feel about women. You know what you believe about them. I don’t need to find arbitrary quotes to get it down on paper. You’re on this sub, you’ve said telling things.

Yes, I can now agree I lack empathy for you.

So now all you've got is "You’re on this sub, you’ve said telling things.", but you can't say what, and "you know how you feel about women" which means "I think I can read your mind and according to my imagination you're evil".

You're the most perfect example of a prejudiced bigot.

Cool thanks. There is literally no explaining anything to you though so genuinely tell me what’s the point?

Okay then - tell me! Tell me what you think of women as a group of people! Not sarcasm. Tell me. But be honest.

Because I’ll tell you how you come across. You come across as a man who rejects any concept of male privilege. You come across as a man who sees sexually active women as sluts, and holds arcane views of women in a sexual context. You come across as somebody who thinks women are choosing to punish you by not being with you, that it is there fault r problem that they don’t find you attractive, and you come across as someone who would prefer a different society in which women did not have the freedom to choose not to be with you. You seem to put women on a pedestal and ignore any really struggles that women have in society - you feel we are more privileged than anyone and that we do not suffer at the hands of men. You have no concept of the nuance of feminine sexuality and, despite calling me “low IQ”, cannot get your head around the fact that a genuinely violent and aggressive man is not the same as being turned on by dominant fantasy. It seems incomprehensible to you. I cannot help you realise that any of this is not true.

There is literally no explaining anything to you though so genuinely tell me what’s the point?

Why don't you justify what you accused me of first?

Okay then - tell me! Tell me what you think of women as a group of people! Not sarcasm. Tell me. But be honest.

What kind of answer do you expect? That I think women are evil, or something? There are so many things I think about women. Be more specific.

You come across as a man who rejects any concept of male privilege.

Yet another fabrication of your bigoted imagination. Have I said this? No.

You come across as a man who sees sexually active women as sluts, and holds arcane views of women in a sexual context.

I don't hold views any different than most men. Women who have sex outside of relationships are sluts. That's basically the definition of the word slut. I don't even judge women who do this, but that's still what a slut is. It's like saying the sky is blue. By the definition of sky and blue that's just factually true.

You come across as somebody who thinks women are choosing to punish you by not being with you

What? LOL

someone who would prefer a different society in which women did not have the freedom to choose not to be with you

Your fabrication again. I don't like this society because everything is stacked against me in the dating market. The value that I am good at providing gets extracted through the threat of violence by the state, and current sexual mores mean that I have no chance at all. Yes, I do not like this system.

you feel we are more privileged than anyone and that we do not suffer at the hands of men

You are more privileged but that you don't suffer at the hands of men is another fabrication.

cannot get your head around the fact that a genuinely violent and aggressive man is not the same as being turned on by dominant fantasy

Another fabrication of your imagination. Why don't you ask me what I actually think instead of making shit up like a proper bigot?

I literally did ask you what you think 😂😂

That’s what I mean. It doesn’t matter that you disagree. That’s literally the point! The point is that you don’t think there is a difference - that it’s a fabrication.

You asked me a vague and general question and I offered to answer it if you make it specific. "What do you think about women?" is not a proper question, but that you ask it is indicative of your prejudice.

The point is that the very fact you don’t agree or can’t understand what I am saying from my point of view is indicative of your views.

No, no it’s not a vague question at all but I understand why someone like you wouldn’t want to ask about it. It’s actually a very simple question.

But I don’t need to hear the answer. I’ve already seen it. You know your position, you even know your views are in the minority, don’t be obtuse. You know the connotations of this subreddit and you know what women think of it. I was hoping, very naively, that people were wrong and that you guys are just hurt or sad, but you literally are misogynist and I don’t need you to argue the point that you’re not, when you literally post the stuff you post, it’s very evident.

The point is that the very fact you don’t agree or can’t understand what I am saying from my point of view is indicative of your views.

So the very fact that I don't agree with your views is indicative of my views? WTF. Say something that doesn't sound bigoted for once.

No, no it’s not a vague question at all but I understand why someone like you wouldn’t want to ask about it. It’s actually a very simple question.

So tell me, what do you think about women?

But I don’t need to hear the answer. I’ve already seen it. You know your position, you even know your views are in the minority, don’t be obtuse. You know the connotations of this subreddit and you know what women think of it.

So what's your point? That your privileged class is successful at oppressing and shaming the type of man in this subreddit who is here because he was born ugly? Yes, I agree.

but you literally are misogynist and I don’t need you to argue the point that you’re not

So you can't give ANY example of why I'm misogynist, and you don't feel the need to argue that point but you still call me a misogynist. YOU ARE A PREJUDICED BIGOT.

Grace you with my presence? Wtf?? I’m trying to gain an understanding because you are literally like the scariest thing to us, and when I saw a post about how ugly you guys are and instructing you not to have hope, I thought that was terrible.

But your incomprehension of what I am saying are as scary as your views. I have literally already told you the things you are saying that are misogynist and you are refusing to acknowledge them and just saying I’m not pointing out any example when I literally already have, and they are really big things too.

because you are literally like the scariest thing to us,

Victim card. Classic.

I have literally already told you the things you are saying that are misogynist

Another lie. You have not. Give ONE example.

Victim card? But it’s just true. It is.

I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU - the way you view women’s sexual freedom is misogynistic, as is the fact you refuse to accept that women are not after violent and aggressive men. You literally cannot understand how offensive and damaging that is, literally how dare you.

the way you view women’s sexual freedom is misogynistic

LOL some vague shit. What is misogynistic about how I view it? Are we going back to I'm a mysogynist because I know what the word slut means? Hahaha! Desperate.

as is the fact you refuse to accept that women are not after violent and aggressive men

The same shit that we've been through ten times. I said that violent men make women wet. You agreed. If that makes me a misogynist then you are a misogynist too.

YOU ARE A BIGOT. I bet you're even starting to understand that your behaviour is classic bigotry.

Wow. You really are a fucking idiot and a yes, a deeply sexist and misogynist creep. Do you honestly believe that just saying you aren’t those things makes it true?

Goodbye.

Do you honestly believe that just saying you aren’t those things makes it true?

Irony alert!

Goodbye.

I'm glad that even you can see that you got FUCKING PWND and continuing this destruction is unwise. Thanks for brightening my day!

Yes but you're a women so you can't relate to us in any way.

Fat man = lazy fat fuck, he needs to stop eating and start going to the gym

Fat femoid = big beautiful woman, plus size, curvy, she's beautiful the way she is

Okay I googled it and I literally have no idea where “virtue signalling “ would come into anything I have said. It just sounds like a random term used to dismiss what I am saying

Jesus H Fuck you guys are some self pitying sad sacks.

This whole fatalistic trip you guys are on is absolutely mental.

People will call me a liar or norman or what ever because it don't fit your world view. But the absolute reality of it, is that you could 100% get laid if you tried hard enough.

Jesus go out of your house and look around you. The world is full of butt ugly and trashy people in relationships. Go to your local ghetto area and tell me that really ugly people with bad genes aren't out there reproducing.

Also i've worked in social services and let me tell you people with learning and development difficulties manage to get in relationships. These are people who are truly the 1/10, 2/10s of this world.

Not some fucking chump because he thinks his life over because he's 5'5

I'll probably get down voted to hell. But deep down you know what i'm saying is right......and for the love of god stay off Tinder. It's vacuous apps like that, that have given this bleak outlook

Jesus of all the shit advice I have seen on this sub, try banging the mental disabled person is by far the worse.

That wasn't my advice. My advice was stop with the sad sack, self pity circle jerk. If you can't get laid or find a meaningful relationship it's 100% your own fault.

Not your fucking genes or the way you look. I was using people with an L.D as an example. Even those truly on the bottom rung of society can find meaningful relationships. If these boards were anything to go by you'd imagine that every retarded girl is banging a chad but it ain't so.

Go outside for once and look at all the ugly people reproducing.

Idk man, being an ugly Asian or Indian in the West seems like a really bad time. My cousin is a quarter Japanese, handsome, cool, and a cop but a lot of people won’t give him the time of day bc he’s looks Asian.

Even his own race won't entertain him?

Lots of Asian girls don’t like Asian guys in the west.

That’s why r/hapas exists.

Fuck someone in a wheelchair cause they can't close their legs right?

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People in wheelchairs piss and moan less than incels. I know that much. Reading these boards you'd think that you were most oppressed and downtrodden people on earth....but in reality when you look outside your window into the big wide world, there are people with real problems and real physical deformities that manage relationships.

I like these boards because you guys can be quite funny. But fuck this sad sack thread is killing me. I just hope people don't buy into this bollocks and lose to will to live.

Im crying all day all night its over boyo. Were gonna die alone and without children. Just imagine being in your 60s alone i guess ill die from cancer before reaching that age cancer runs in my family.

Lucky you

This is a Larping female.

Femcel*

fuck a knife please

Thats rude. Were on the same page here both of us are degenerate shit genes .lol

How can you be a femcel when most of the guys here would date you at the drop of a hat?

Because im not in US???

Nor am I. There are incels all over. Where are you from, if you don’t mind saying?

Its not in europe either

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You're kind, funny, and hard-working

Lmao, are you though? Are you really?

I used to be... Really, I did, but all it got me was friendzones and false friends.

Nah i m not inferior just because im uglier then someone. Brain gets you to other planets, i can survive without women. But im not inferior to a retard chad.

major cope

cope? lmao by ur logic a dumb chad is better then bill gates what about no

he is, and you will never be close to bill gates

im not inferior to a retard chad

See, this is where all women will disagree.

ah yes, for women indeed, but im gay XD

Maybe if your genes suck that much you should want to have kids and give him your shitty genes, making another generation of incels. And for sex, get a hooker.

Women created this system??

Women??? Yeah all those high and mighty women leading the country for centuries, making law and government. Fucking women creating political systems, didn’t they screw those up bad!

Oh dear god....

And if you genuinely think that women stay with violent men out of anything other than fear and years of abuse whittling away their self worth, fuck me boy I can tell you you are wrong there.

We don’t work as hard - what do you mean by that please?

Ah cool. Good post btw

Long reads are intimidating to norms so you get less brigade.

😅

Well, at least there’s an arranged marriage awaiting you, so chill.

Follow up question that might sound crazy. What if all the incels dated each other? Might be better than nothing?