We can hear the solemn hissing sounds of the gas chambers being turned on and the swift sharpening of the guillotine brothers. May St.Blackops2cel be with you all in this time of trouble.
Roasties literally want to see sub-8 males being put on trains and sent to camps. They want you removed from society completely, by any means necessary. They are the enemy - never forget it
You aren't supposed to treat people with maladaptive behaviors well
Primitive herd mentality at its best. If you don't conform, you get shunned. Although I bet she wouldn't be saying that if we were talking about Hester Prynne instead of an ugly guy.
because me and my female coworkers managed to get one of these freaks fired for being a freak
In no law code on this planet is being "a freak" grounds for termination. Fuck whichever piece of human garbage wrote this.
>8 of 10 acts of sexual violence are committed by someone that the victim knows.
That's not the post. The post is about creepy people being dysfunction asshats and then refusing to acknowledge that their behavior is inappropriate. You know, like going up to 30+ women at a party just trying to get someone to kiss you. It is, unfortunately, not a myth that there are people who do creepy things and refuse to acknowledge that their behavior makes others uncomfortable.
>primitive herd mentality at its best.
Yeah, dude. Welcome to society. If you don't follow the social contract and behave within society's acceptable parameters, you're not welcomed into it. You *absolutely* wouldn't be saying this if they were saying Islamic ideas shouldn't be allowed in our society.
>In no law code on this planet is being "a freak" grounds for termination.
Yes, it is. In numerous HR codes, being a creepy freak and acting inappropriately towards coworkers, generating a hostile environment for employees, is grounds for termination. This might be hard if you haven't really worked anywhere, but - when employed - you actually have to work with your employees and augment your behavior so people aren't completely upset throughout their day. It's weird, I know, but it's how reality works.
The post is about creepy people being dysfunction asshats and then refusing to acknowledge that their behavior is inappropriate
Given this poster has accused men of being creepy for "not smiling when asked," I'm gonna say that's a no from me dawg. And I brought up the statistic to show that the commonly stereotype of the ugly loner being a secret rapist is an incorrect and damaging stereotype. The majority of rapists are normal looking men who blend well into society.
If you don't follow the social contract and behave within society's acceptable parameters, you're not welcomed into it
The fuck are you talking about? This isn't Puritan Massachusetts lmao. Public shaming and shunning aren't acceptable punishments anymore. If you break the law, you go to prison. You don't get paraded through the street with a scarlet letter like the poster is condoning.
You absolutely wouldn't be saying this if they were saying Islamic ideas shouldn't be allowed in our society
Just because I post on braincels doesn't mean I'm an Islamophobe you fucking cunt
In numerous HR codes, being a creepy freak and acting inappropriately towards coworkers, generating a hostile environment for employees, is grounds for termination
I'm not defending anyone. I'm telling you you're being a ridiculous asshat, purposefully missing the point.
I brought up the statistic
You brought it up to make a point tangential that isn't relevant. It's a nice red-herring, but it's still a red-herring. I'm not concerned with your statistic on rapists. I'm concerned about the social dynamics that result in one person refusing to acknowledge that their behavior has negative repercussions for the people around them, despite receiving social feedback that it is.
Public shaming and shunning aren't acceptable
First, given the current climate, it demonstrably is. Second, we're not talking about public shaming. We're talking about people choosing not to associate or entertain someone in their social circles due to their behavior. This has nothing to do with "law breaking" and entirely to do with how you conduct yourself in society.
doesn't mean I'm an Islamophobe
Do you have to be an islamophobe to think many Islamic thoughts on society are incompatible with U.S./Canadian culture? I didn't call you one, but your reaction does speak volumes, hun.
But, you know this. You just seem to want to dance around this for some reason :)
You brought it up to make a point tangential that isn't relevant
The poster claimed that "creepiness" (i.e. sexual harassment) is always perpetrated by "loners, quiet boys and incels." I'm not exaggerating, she used the word "always" multiple times. Therefore, bringing up the fact that the majority of sexual assaults are committed by people that the victim knows (i.e. the opposite of "loners") is a counterargument to that. It's not an airtight takedown by any means, but tangential and irrelevant? Yeah no. You're the one who decided to move the goalposts to "social dynamics" so don't tell me I'm purposefully missing the point.
First, given the current climate, it demonstrably is
Oh right. I forgot that in the #metoo era instead of going to prison for rape, you get dragged on twitter. This is absolutely disgusting and a slap in the face to the legal system, not "acceptable" by any means. But either way, the poster was advocating humiliating "creepy" kids in front of their entire class. This is straight up emotional abuse and is not going to help anyone. Again, to this poster, being "creepy" means being a kissless virgin or not smiling when told to.
Do you have to be an islamophobe to think many Islamic thoughts on society are incompatible with U.S./Canadian culture
What are you even saying here? Yeah there are parts of the Koran that are fucked up. Most Muslims choose to ignore them. Clearly you don't know how religion works.
your reaction does speak volumes, hun.
What does it say other than that I don't take kindly to someone stopping just short of calling me an Islamophobe? And that posting on this sub means I get unjustly called every negative label under the sun? Oh and "hun," gross. You are not intelligent enough to be patronizing lmao
But, you know this. You just seem to want to dance around this for some reason :)
Says the one who clearly wishes they hadn't tried to claim being a "freak" is an offense deserving of firing
Divorce this from its antisemitic associations and its other negative connotations (that the "crying" is fake and manipulative, etc.), and it becomes a pretty accurate description of people who lash out due to depression, abuse, and/or loneliness (not just incels). Sometimes people who are sad or scared express these emotions as anger. Sometimes people who are suffering from depression behave in ways that appear angry or aggressive. I wish more people would appreciate this fact when trying to communicate with the users here. From what I can tell, the majority of them are depressed. They feel hated by society and everyone around them. Many people would eventually become preemptively hostile in that situation. Answering hostility with hostility just confirms their suspicions and amps them up.
Thank you, Buddha, but I don't think you need to Stan for people who are so tethered to internet outrage culture that they devote massive amounts of time to delivering rage-filled sermons on a warped philosophy of life. I'm sure we'd agree that some people are genuinely hurting and really need a helping hand. The people who spend their time getting into multicomment arguments on Reddit topics of "roasties" are - overwhelmingly - not the ones.
The people who spend their time getting into multicomment arguments on Reddit topics of "roasties" are - overwhelmingly - not the ones.
I'm wondering the same thing -- how do you know this? Because I've gotten into some pretty detailed, extended conversations with such people, and when they open up and start talking about their lives and their feelings, it's almost immediately obvious that they're depressed. Many of them have severe social anxiety, too. Most were bullied badly.
Some come to forums like this to escape feelings of isolation and hopelessness, and they get really wrapped up in it and post frequently throughout the day. Also, a lot of the users are being "ironic" (millennial definition). It's extremely dark humor that looks sincere at first. So they joke about "roasties." Is it distasteful to most people? Sure! Does it mean that they aren't depressed and don't deserve compassion? No.
Thank you, Buddha, but I don't think you need to Stan for people
I don't need to, but I want to, and so I will.
There seems to be some hostility here ("Thank you, Buddha!"). What caused you to react that way? I often get reactions of exactly the same sort whenever I try to point out the effects of depression and social isolation.
Listen, it's great that you feel the sliver of interactions you've had with some people has given you deep insight into the cognitive-behavioral patterns of people you want to generalize out towards others whom you don't know. That's a good start, but you seem to be glossing over the contexts where these discussions occur. A chat outside internet-culture boards, with a human element? Yes, sure, go ham. On the actual boards themselves, where the immediate comment is, "it's over?" No. You're choosing to ignore the context and in doing so giving people an out that they is going to do them more harm than good for their psychological health.
I don't need to, but I want to, and so I will
And this is entirely the problem with stanning for people. You want this. You want to feel like you're doing good. You want to feel some sort of moral conviction. But you don't care about what's actually good for others, or what others actually need to be able to overcome themselves, which is exactly why you're defending shitposters on Reddit as opposed to tackling this issue in meaningful ways (and - let's be frank - we're not discussing depressed, isolated individuals who need professional help; we are largely dealing with shitposting edgelords).
Some come
See prior text about "some."
I often get exactly
You caught me. I'm really an incel and it was all Freudian projection.
Alternatively, it's a comment on the thin veneer of faux-zen behavior people try to take when discussing topics online in the most weaksauce approach to trying to convey an air of moral rationality.
And this is entirely the problem with stanning for people. You want this. You want to feel like you're doing good. You want to feel some sort of moral conviction.
Yeah, it does feel good, in a way. Almost every human gets a little rush from helping someone else. We're an altruistic species, so that makes sense. It also feels bad, in a way, because the vast majority of our society disagrees with what I'm saying, and so I get hostile responses quite a bit.
But you don't care about what's actually good for others
How do you know this? Signaling and feeling are not mutually exclusive. Crying is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that a person's sadness is fake. Smiling is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that the person's happiness is fake. Displays of anger are evolved signals. That doesn't mean that the signalers aren't genuinely angry. Displays of caring and sympathy are signals. That doesn't mean that the caring and sympathy are fake. This is a misunderstanding that is often perpetuated by both incels and others.
How do you know what's actually good for others?
Listen, it's great that you feel the sliver of interactions you've had with some people has given you deep insight into the cognitive-behavioral patterns of people you want to generalize out towards others whom you don't know.
There's no need to be condescending. I'm a PhD student in cognitive neuroscience and evolutionary psychology, so I'm aware of the limitations of a medium like this. I'm also aware of research concerning depression and the effects of bullying and ostracism. I don't need to ask Redditors about it to know -- I just need to look at the relevant research.
There are still people reading this chain, as evidenced by the voting. If I can spread a message that contributes to even one person having a good life instead of committing suicide, I'll try (I had a friend on this subreddit who committed suicide).
let's be frank - we're not discussing depressed, isolated individuals who need professional help; we are largely dealing with shitposting edgelords.
How do you know which is which? For example, the person you were originally talking to is not a mere shitposting edgelord. You seem to think he is. You called him a troll. I'm not sure that you always actually know, from behind the screen, who's suffering and who isn't, despite your experience.
Someone can post like a total troll and still be actually depressed. You can't really tell unless you engage them in PMs.
tackling this issue in meaningful ways
What are some things I can do that would be more meaningful and have more impact?
You caught me. I'm really an incel and it was all Freudian projection. Alternatively, it's a comment on the thin veneer of faux-zen behavior people try to take when discussing topics online in the most weaksauce approach to trying to convey an air of moral rationality.
How did you acquire the power to tell that I'm just being fake and taking an easy out for moral superiority points, and that I don't really care what happens to incels?
You're a fucking idiot. You can't just ostracize people for being socially awkward or having autism. Stop trying to be contrarian just for the hell of it because we're incels.
Yes you - demonstrably - can be. You absolutely can ostracize the weird people who take your Facebook pictures, post them in other places, then get others online to talk about how terrible they are. You absolutely can ostracize those people from your social circles, my dude.
No, I'm explaining to you some basic principles of social interaction. Given your behavior, it's evident that no one ever explained them to you. You should try 'thank you' when someone explains something to you.
Yeah, why don't you give me his name and email? I'll be happy to send all of this to him. I'm sure he'll figure out who you are, find you on FB, and talk to his friends. Then they'll talk to their friends, and it'll probably make it's way back into your circles. I'm sure everyone will think it's chill, and that you're not being really weird. Lmao, honestly, did you even think that through? But yeah, why don't you doxx someone to the internet on the incel server LMFAO. Smart play, champ. Great optics for you.
Are you an actual retard? That's not what the post is about at all. The post is about insinuating that every incel, longer, quiet kid, etc is a 'dysfunctional asshole'.
Not to mention this retarded cunt actually thinks those people are a threat to national security. Imagine being that retarded.
Why do you low IQ people come in here and try and bully these guys? Then again, I guess if you're coming here it keeps you off the bleach, so maybe your future kids will at least have a chance.
"welcome to society" proceeds to virtue signal about muslims
Would you be okay with say, rape victims getting stoned for adultery like what the majority of Muslims support due to sharia law? Conform to their society and culture, you bigot.
This comment was written by a woman who came to notoriety after she bragged about getting her male coworker fired for being awkward, which even reddit normies thought was over the line. That was 7 months ago and she hasn't stopped posting the same virulent garbage. If she's a troll, she's incredibly dedicated.
IIRC from her post history she is from peru or some other latin-american country and thinks the reason tech companies are failing is because they hire too many awkward men and not enough female minorities ("women of color").
Go through life being treated like shit because of your looks and you will withdraw and become quiet. Let's see a show of hands, here. How many of you started out as outgoing and confident in elementary school, but years of bullying and social ostracism changed that?
For every one quiet dude who is legit creepy, there are many who are simply ugly or physically disabled.
You're forgiven. I'll ignore the tirad you chose to go on, though.
Don't know how religion works
Lmao, ok.
Posting on this sub means
But I didn't call you that did I? So, yes, your reaction does say a lot about you. Especially when coupled with any assumptions you then make. Though, tbh, I'm really curious about how often you must get called an islamophobe then, and - by extension - what you say.
Says the one
First of all, I used :) and not :). Get it right.
Second, you can choose to omit however much of what I said to paint a particular picture all you want. Again, you're clearly doing it for some reason :)
I never wish death upon anyone. But, I hope this woman gets curb stomped by an abusive Chad one day. She is the kind of person who made my life hell in school.
Speaking as someone who actually got fired for being quiet and withdrawn...this woman is disgusting. As if the constant bullying for being autistic and introverted wasn’t enough?
Jesus fuck... i don't even know... how to respond to that, im literally speechless. Oh well, its not like she is telling me something that i didnt know before.
And this is entirely the problem with stanning for people. You want this. You want to feel like you're doing good. You want to feel some sort of moral conviction.
Yeah, it does feel good, in a way. Almost every human gets a little rush from helping someone else. We're an altruistic species, so that makes sense. It also feels bad, in a way, because the vast majority of our society disagrees with what I'm saying, and so I get hostile responses quite a bit.
But you don't care about what's actually good for others
How do you know this? Signaling and feeling are not mutually exclusive. Crying is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that a person's sadness is fake. Smiling is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that the person's happiness is fake. Displays of anger are evolved signals. That doesn't mean that the signalers aren't genuinely angry. Displays of caring and sympathy are signals. That doesn't mean that the caring and sympathy are fake. This is a misunderstanding that is often perpetuated by both incels and others.
How do you know what's actually good for others?
Listen, it's great that you feel the sliver of interactions you've had with some people has given you deep insight into the cognitive-behavioral patterns of people you want to generalize out towards others whom you don't know.
There's no need to be condescending. I'm a PhD student in cognitive neuroscience and evolutionary psychology, so I'm aware of the limitations of a medium like this. I'm also aware of research concerning depression and the effects of bullying and ostracism. I don't need to ask Redditors about it to know -- I just need to look at the relevant research.
There are still people reading this chain, as evidenced by the voting. If I can spread a message that contributes to even one person having a good life instead of committing suicide, I'll try (I had a friend on this subreddit who committed suicide).
let's be frank - we're not discussing depressed, isolated individuals who need professional help; we are largely dealing with shitposting edgelords.
How do you know which is which? For example, the person you were originally talking to is not a mere shitposting edgelord. You seem to think he is. You called him a troll. I'm not sure that you always actually know, from behind the screen, who's suffering and who isn't, despite your experience.
Someone can post like a total troll and still be actually depressed. You can't really tell unless you engage them in PMs.
tackling this issue in meaningful ways
What are some things I can do that would be more meaningful and have more impact?
You caught me. I'm really an incel and it was all Freudian projection. Alternatively, it's a comment on the thin veneer of faux-zen behavior people try to take when discussing topics online in the most weaksauce approach to trying to convey an air of moral rationality.
How did you acquire the power to tell that I'm just being fake and taking an easy out for moral superiority points, and that I don't really care what happens to incels?
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1 BananaPancakeCove 2018-05-21
We can hear the solemn hissing sounds of the gas chambers being turned on and the swift sharpening of the guillotine brothers. May St.Blackops2cel be with you all in this time of trouble.
1 WalkinWaski1 2018-05-21
Apparently leaving women alone is not even enough anymore.
1 changeIsTheWay 2018-05-21
They complain about not getting white knight attention.
1 Hideouslyric 2018-05-21
Was it ever?
1 throwaway43503460340 2018-05-21
Roasties literally want to see sub-8 males being put on trains and sent to camps. They want you removed from society completely, by any means necessary. They are the enemy - never forget it
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
Bullshit. [8 of 10 acts of sexual violence are committed by someone that the victim knows[(https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence_0.pdf). Your friends are more likely to rape you then the creepy loner stranger. Perpetuating this myth is damaging to young men who are already at risk of bullying and helpful to nobody.
Primitive herd mentality at its best. If you don't conform, you get shunned. Although I bet she wouldn't be saying that if we were talking about Hester Prynne instead of an ugly guy.
In no law code on this planet is being "a freak" grounds for termination. Fuck whichever piece of human garbage wrote this.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
>8 of 10 acts of sexual violence are committed by someone that the victim knows.
That's not the post. The post is about creepy people being dysfunction asshats and then refusing to acknowledge that their behavior is inappropriate. You know, like going up to 30+ women at a party just trying to get someone to kiss you. It is, unfortunately, not a myth that there are people who do creepy things and refuse to acknowledge that their behavior makes others uncomfortable.
>primitive herd mentality at its best.
Yeah, dude. Welcome to society. If you don't follow the social contract and behave within society's acceptable parameters, you're not welcomed into it. You *absolutely* wouldn't be saying this if they were saying Islamic ideas shouldn't be allowed in our society.
>In no law code on this planet is being "a freak" grounds for termination.
Yes, it is. In numerous HR codes, being a creepy freak and acting inappropriately towards coworkers, generating a hostile environment for employees, is grounds for termination. This might be hard if you haven't really worked anywhere, but - when employed - you actually have to work with your employees and augment your behavior so people aren't completely upset throughout their day. It's weird, I know, but it's how reality works.
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
I'm going to assume that you don't know who you're defending here.
Given this poster has accused men of being creepy for "not smiling when asked," I'm gonna say that's a no from me dawg. And I brought up the statistic to show that the commonly stereotype of the ugly loner being a secret rapist is an incorrect and damaging stereotype. The majority of rapists are normal looking men who blend well into society.
The fuck are you talking about? This isn't Puritan Massachusetts lmao. Public shaming and shunning aren't acceptable punishments anymore. If you break the law, you go to prison. You don't get paraded through the street with a scarlet letter like the poster is condoning.
Just because I post on braincels doesn't mean I'm an Islamophobe you fucking cunt
One of these things is not like the others
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
I'm not defending anyone. I'm telling you you're being a ridiculous asshat, purposefully missing the point.
You brought it up to make a point tangential that isn't relevant. It's a nice red-herring, but it's still a red-herring. I'm not concerned with your statistic on rapists. I'm concerned about the social dynamics that result in one person refusing to acknowledge that their behavior has negative repercussions for the people around them, despite receiving social feedback that it is.
First, given the current climate, it demonstrably is. Second, we're not talking about public shaming. We're talking about people choosing not to associate or entertain someone in their social circles due to their behavior. This has nothing to do with "law breaking" and entirely to do with how you conduct yourself in society.
Do you have to be an islamophobe to think many Islamic thoughts on society are incompatible with U.S./Canadian culture? I didn't call you one, but your reaction does speak volumes, hun.
But, you know this. You just seem to want to dance around this for some reason :)
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
The poster claimed that "creepiness" (i.e. sexual harassment) is always perpetrated by "loners, quiet boys and incels." I'm not exaggerating, she used the word "always" multiple times. Therefore, bringing up the fact that the majority of sexual assaults are committed by people that the victim knows (i.e. the opposite of "loners") is a counterargument to that. It's not an airtight takedown by any means, but tangential and irrelevant? Yeah no. You're the one who decided to move the goalposts to "social dynamics" so don't tell me I'm purposefully missing the point.
Oh right. I forgot that in the #metoo era instead of going to prison for rape, you get dragged on twitter. This is absolutely disgusting and a slap in the face to the legal system, not "acceptable" by any means. But either way, the poster was advocating humiliating "creepy" kids in front of their entire class. This is straight up emotional abuse and is not going to help anyone. Again, to this poster, being "creepy" means being a kissless virgin or not smiling when told to.
What are you even saying here? Yeah there are parts of the Koran that are fucked up. Most Muslims choose to ignore them. Clearly you don't know how religion works.
What does it say other than that I don't take kindly to someone stopping just short of calling me an Islamophobe? And that posting on this sub means I get unjustly called every negative label under the sun? Oh and "hun," gross. You are not intelligent enough to be patronizing lmao
Says the one who clearly wishes they hadn't tried to claim being a "freak" is an offense deserving of firing
1 GreaseEar 2018-05-21
I bet you complain and virtue signal a lot when certain types of people get shot to death by police or citizens because they can't behave properly.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-21
You think you're being coy and witty, but really you're making yourself very stupid and wrong.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
The incel cries out as he strikes you.
1 Quixificent 2018-05-21
Divorce this from its antisemitic associations and its other negative connotations (that the "crying" is fake and manipulative, etc.), and it becomes a pretty accurate description of people who lash out due to depression, abuse, and/or loneliness (not just incels). Sometimes people who are sad or scared express these emotions as anger. Sometimes people who are suffering from depression behave in ways that appear angry or aggressive. I wish more people would appreciate this fact when trying to communicate with the users here. From what I can tell, the majority of them are depressed. They feel hated by society and everyone around them. Many people would eventually become preemptively hostile in that situation. Answering hostility with hostility just confirms their suspicions and amps them up.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
It's often one or both.
Thank you, Buddha, but I don't think you need to Stan for people who are so tethered to internet outrage culture that they devote massive amounts of time to delivering rage-filled sermons on a warped philosophy of life. I'm sure we'd agree that some people are genuinely hurting and really need a helping hand. The people who spend their time getting into multicomment arguments on Reddit topics of "roasties" are - overwhelmingly - not the ones.
1 Quixificent 2018-05-21
How do you know? (I'm not being facetious.)
I'm wondering the same thing -- how do you know this? Because I've gotten into some pretty detailed, extended conversations with such people, and when they open up and start talking about their lives and their feelings, it's almost immediately obvious that they're depressed. Many of them have severe social anxiety, too. Most were bullied badly.
Some come to forums like this to escape feelings of isolation and hopelessness, and they get really wrapped up in it and post frequently throughout the day. Also, a lot of the users are being "ironic" (millennial definition). It's extremely dark humor that looks sincere at first. So they joke about "roasties." Is it distasteful to most people? Sure! Does it mean that they aren't depressed and don't deserve compassion? No.
I don't need to, but I want to, and so I will.
There seems to be some hostility here ("Thank you, Buddha!"). What caused you to react that way? I often get reactions of exactly the same sort whenever I try to point out the effects of depression and social isolation.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
Years of experience in this corner.
Listen, it's great that you feel the sliver of interactions you've had with some people has given you deep insight into the cognitive-behavioral patterns of people you want to generalize out towards others whom you don't know. That's a good start, but you seem to be glossing over the contexts where these discussions occur. A chat outside internet-culture boards, with a human element? Yes, sure, go ham. On the actual boards themselves, where the immediate comment is, "it's over?" No. You're choosing to ignore the context and in doing so giving people an out that they is going to do them more harm than good for their psychological health.
And this is entirely the problem with stanning for people. You want this. You want to feel like you're doing good. You want to feel some sort of moral conviction. But you don't care about what's actually good for others, or what others actually need to be able to overcome themselves, which is exactly why you're defending shitposters on Reddit as opposed to tackling this issue in meaningful ways (and - let's be frank - we're not discussing depressed, isolated individuals who need professional help; we are largely dealing with shitposting edgelords).
See prior text about "some."
You caught me. I'm really an incel and it was all Freudian projection.
Alternatively, it's a comment on the thin veneer of faux-zen behavior people try to take when discussing topics online in the most weaksauce approach to trying to convey an air of moral rationality.
It's either or so take your pick.
1 Quixificent 2018-05-21
Yeah, it does feel good, in a way. Almost every human gets a little rush from helping someone else. We're an altruistic species, so that makes sense. It also feels bad, in a way, because the vast majority of our society disagrees with what I'm saying, and so I get hostile responses quite a bit.
How do you know this? Signaling and feeling are not mutually exclusive. Crying is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that a person's sadness is fake. Smiling is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that the person's happiness is fake. Displays of anger are evolved signals. That doesn't mean that the signalers aren't genuinely angry. Displays of caring and sympathy are signals. That doesn't mean that the caring and sympathy are fake. This is a misunderstanding that is often perpetuated by both incels and others.
How do you know what's actually good for others?
There's no need to be condescending. I'm a PhD student in cognitive neuroscience and evolutionary psychology, so I'm aware of the limitations of a medium like this. I'm also aware of research concerning depression and the effects of bullying and ostracism. I don't need to ask Redditors about it to know -- I just need to look at the relevant research.
There are still people reading this chain, as evidenced by the voting. If I can spread a message that contributes to even one person having a good life instead of committing suicide, I'll try (I had a friend on this subreddit who committed suicide).
How do you know which is which? For example, the person you were originally talking to is not a mere shitposting edgelord. You seem to think he is. You called him a troll. I'm not sure that you always actually know, from behind the screen, who's suffering and who isn't, despite your experience.
Someone can post like a total troll and still be actually depressed. You can't really tell unless you engage them in PMs.
What are some things I can do that would be more meaningful and have more impact?
How did you acquire the power to tell that I'm just being fake and taking an easy out for moral superiority points, and that I don't really care what happens to incels?
1 BF8211 2018-05-21
You're a fucking idiot. You can't just ostracize people for being socially awkward or having autism. Stop trying to be contrarian just for the hell of it because we're incels.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
Yes you - demonstrably - can be. You absolutely can ostracize the weird people who take your Facebook pictures, post them in other places, then get others online to talk about how terrible they are. You absolutely can ostracize those people from your social circles, my dude.
1 BF8211 2018-05-21
Still salty about that I see. If you want I can give you his name and location so you can ride his dick IRL instead of online.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
No, I'm explaining to you some basic principles of social interaction. Given your behavior, it's evident that no one ever explained them to you. You should try 'thank you' when someone explains something to you.
Yeah, why don't you give me his name and email? I'll be happy to send all of this to him. I'm sure he'll figure out who you are, find you on FB, and talk to his friends. Then they'll talk to their friends, and it'll probably make it's way back into your circles. I'm sure everyone will think it's chill, and that you're not being really weird. Lmao, honestly, did you even think that through? But yeah, why don't you doxx someone to the internet on the incel server LMFAO. Smart play, champ. Great optics for you.
1 No_Free_Will_Ever 2018-05-21
Are you an actual retard? That's not what the post is about at all. The post is about insinuating that every incel, longer, quiet kid, etc is a 'dysfunctional asshole'.
Not to mention this retarded cunt actually thinks those people are a threat to national security. Imagine being that retarded.
Why do you low IQ people come in here and try and bully these guys? Then again, I guess if you're coming here it keeps you off the bleach, so maybe your future kids will at least have a chance.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
1 HydradenitisSuppura 2018-05-21
"welcome to society" proceeds to virtue signal about muslims
Would you be okay with say, rape victims getting stoned for adultery like what the majority of Muslims support due to sharia law? Conform to their society and culture, you bigot.
1 35yoGeneticTrash 2018-05-21
You condescending piece of fucking shit.
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
Yeah, dude. On the internet no less. Better be real upset about it lmao.
1 RegisteredLolicon 2018-05-21
Are you just tossing out bait lol
1 sceyef 2018-05-21
Lets be real. This post is a false flag
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
This comment was written by a woman who came to notoriety after she bragged about getting her male coworker fired for being awkward, which even reddit normies thought was over the line. That was 7 months ago and she hasn't stopped posting the same virulent garbage. If she's a troll, she's incredibly dedicated.
1 sceyef 2018-05-21
Oh damn
1 Rhodri_Kraakman 2018-05-21
IIRC from her post history she is from peru or some other latin-american country and thinks the reason tech companies are failing is because they hire too many awkward men and not enough female minorities ("women of color").
1 gufestus2 2018-05-21
I bet by people of color she means blacks and Latinos and not Indians and Asians (which are already pretty well represented).
1 ButtholeEmoji 2018-05-21
You're thinking of ElizabethTheWitch. This is McMillanAndHusband
1 N0Taqua 2018-05-21
Holy shit, at least it's downvoted.
1 AbuIncelAlAustrali 2018-05-21
May St. Blackops2cel smite that roast
1 IncelistanWillRise 2018-05-21
May he strike her down with the fury of a thousand scorned incels
1 1122334wy 2018-05-21
femoids have an unquenchable thirst for incel blood
1 LooksMatterToWomen 2018-05-21
G.A.S.L.I.G.H.T.I.N.G. Google it, boyos.
Go through life being treated like shit because of your looks and you will withdraw and become quiet. Let's see a show of hands, here. How many of you started out as outgoing and confident in elementary school, but years of bullying and social ostracism changed that?
For every one quiet dude who is legit creepy, there are many who are simply ugly or physically disabled.
1 awesomega14 2018-05-21
Wow, this woman is an actual sociopath.
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-05-21
Absolute human garbage
1 maskedcel 2018-05-21
Human? Lel.
1 fukworld_2 2018-05-21
I used to get bullied. I hope she gets fired and ends up homeless on the streets addicted to heroin.
1 Marcadius_ 2018-05-21
Holy fuck
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
My comments are all above. Nothing moved so far.
You're forgiven. I'll ignore the tirad you chose to go on, though.
Lmao, ok.
But I didn't call you that did I? So, yes, your reaction does say a lot about you. Especially when coupled with any assumptions you then make. Though, tbh, I'm really curious about how often you must get called an islamophobe then, and - by extension - what you say.
First of all, I used :) and not :). Get it right. Second, you can choose to omit however much of what I said to paint a particular picture all you want. Again, you're clearly doing it for some reason :)
1 bcat124 2018-05-21
wrong place buddy
1 Rhodri_Kraakman 2018-05-21
This is the third time I've seen a low IQ forget how to click "reply". Never seen this sort of thing happen on any other sub...
1 wotisthis1789 2018-05-21
Lmfao
1 ttyttyq 2018-05-21
Maladaptive behaviors like not being a virgin when you meet your husband.
1 GreaseEar 2018-05-21
Or speaking out of turn when a man is present. Thankfully in our society we can just beat the insolence out of them, إن شاء الله,
1 Chohi92 2018-05-21
I never wish death upon anyone. But, I hope this woman gets curb stomped by an abusive Chad one day. She is the kind of person who made my life hell in school.
1 DankIncel 2018-05-21
Roasties are evil
1 throwaway43503460340 2018-05-21
Should've put a "I can't even" after that, that would've been the icing on the cake.
1 HydradenitisSuppura 2018-05-21
oh wow from her little last addition I know exactly who that is, her post made the rounds in a lot of places.
??? wtf is with these people. IT isn't normies, they are mentally fucked worse than any "incel".
1 the_left_is_stupid 2018-05-21
Speaking as someone who actually got fired for being quiet and withdrawn...this woman is disgusting. As if the constant bullying for being autistic and introverted wasn’t enough?
1 Waqui98 2018-05-21
Jesus fuck... i don't even know... how to respond to that, im literally speechless. Oh well, its not like she is telling me something that i didnt know before.
1 cmonmanjuststop 2018-05-21
I remember this cunt. She got some lonely awkward guy fired from his programming job for not talking to them.
Here's the link to the post I'm talking about:
https://snew.github.io/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/71iw2e/after_about_a_month_of_complaining_to_hr_with/dncr2ys/
1 Geleg456 2018-05-21
Wow they deleted the comment thread where she was called out on her bullshit, IT is a joke.
1 guerillahubris00 2018-05-21
Just take a moment and reverse the genders, you dont see how fucked it is the way people treat incels until you apply the treatment to a female
1 TurboTrashman 2018-05-21
Conclusion: victim-blaming is okay, if the victims happen to be males.
1 Geleg456 2018-05-21
Wow they deleted the comment thread where she was called out on her bullshit, IT is a joke.
1 Quixificent 2018-05-21
Yeah, it does feel good, in a way. Almost every human gets a little rush from helping someone else. We're an altruistic species, so that makes sense. It also feels bad, in a way, because the vast majority of our society disagrees with what I'm saying, and so I get hostile responses quite a bit.
How do you know this? Signaling and feeling are not mutually exclusive. Crying is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that a person's sadness is fake. Smiling is an evolved signal -- that doesn't mean that the person's happiness is fake. Displays of anger are evolved signals. That doesn't mean that the signalers aren't genuinely angry. Displays of caring and sympathy are signals. That doesn't mean that the caring and sympathy are fake. This is a misunderstanding that is often perpetuated by both incels and others.
How do you know what's actually good for others?
There's no need to be condescending. I'm a PhD student in cognitive neuroscience and evolutionary psychology, so I'm aware of the limitations of a medium like this. I'm also aware of research concerning depression and the effects of bullying and ostracism. I don't need to ask Redditors about it to know -- I just need to look at the relevant research.
There are still people reading this chain, as evidenced by the voting. If I can spread a message that contributes to even one person having a good life instead of committing suicide, I'll try (I had a friend on this subreddit who committed suicide).
How do you know which is which? For example, the person you were originally talking to is not a mere shitposting edgelord. You seem to think he is. You called him a troll. I'm not sure that you always actually know, from behind the screen, who's suffering and who isn't, despite your experience.
Someone can post like a total troll and still be actually depressed. You can't really tell unless you engage them in PMs.
What are some things I can do that would be more meaningful and have more impact?
How did you acquire the power to tell that I'm just being fake and taking an easy out for moral superiority points, and that I don't really care what happens to incels?