Not at all dude. What you are describing is delusional and dysfunctional. Please get off this sub and go jump in a lake or.something. This sub is trash.

"Lol incels should just did because they're so awful, how could they insult my wife and her boyfriend" - cucktears

That's not what I said. The truth is this. Most incels overestimate the importance of sex.

Let me share your wife then.

I don't have a wife, and I did I would fight you if.you.tried to come near her.

Me having sex with your wife isn't that important anyway.

uh yeah it would be

So sex is... i-i-important...?

Nah, most husbands just overestimate the value of sex.

But it's just sex bro, it's not a big deal. Why you gotta act all violent about it?

Because this is sex with my.hypothetical wife. Its not just about the ssex its.about the breaking down of.my bond with the hypothetical wife. You are only.exposing your shallow understanding.of love.

LOL you really don't get it.

Why do. you.talk.like this?

Would you beat up the Chad who would hypothetically cuck your hypothetic wife?

You are only.exposing your shallow understanding.

Why do you guys contradict yourselves every fucking time. Holy shit.

I didn't

I’d rather cut my throat open, more painful therefore more fulfilling.

That makes no sense

To you of course it doesn't

Perfect example of violently rejecting the black pill. You are so averse to it you are literally telling him to KILL HIMSELF

I didn't tell him to kill hhimself

Quit gaslighting faggot

fuck off

In this context, most people would take "go jump in a lake" to mean "go drown." That's why people are saying you told him to kill himself.

NNah I meant that he should go swim to take his.mind off this sub

Thats not what is means. Same as "jump off a bridge" implies suicide, not diving practice.

No, it isn't the same. You're wrong

Bit of a stretch. "Go jump in a lake" usually implies the same as "take a hike" or "get lost". It's not nice, for sure, but not "Go play in traffic".

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All that may be true, but here's the thing: we cannot afford to let the interpretation of our words be the truth of them. What was said wasn't "go die." To say that's one interpretation is to say that it's valid for someone to interpret your words in a twisted way. If THAT is true, then the interpretation that everything an incel does is creepy is just as valid.

I do get that we are discussing a sensitive topic however. Nobody should EVER be told to kill themselves. And the fact that incels have been told that enough that "go jump in a lake" can be converted to "die, you blackpilled bastard" is a sad state.

I'm not denying the true meaning of your words. But once you put out them out there, it's not like other people can read your mind and know what you really meant. They will interpret it based on their knowledge and background experience, which is what everyone does. Words have many different possible interpretations, and I don't see how anyone could reasonably deny that (I'm definitely open to hearing arguments for denying this, though).

Maybe an analogy would work better. Let's say that you're going to go talk about a certain topic (maybe a charge do) to a group of high school kids, a group of prison inmates, a group of refugees, and a group of politicians. Let's say you use the exact same words and phrasing each time. Don't you think it's quite likely that different groups will interpret your message differently because they're relying on their own background experiences

I'm not denying the true meaning of your words. But once you put out them out there, it's not like other people can read your mind and know what you really meant. They will interpret it based on their knowledge and background experience, which is what everyone does. Words have many different possible interpretations, and I don't see how anyone could reasonably deny that (I'm definitely open to hearing arguments for denying this, though).

Maybe an analogy would work better. Let's say that you're going to go talk about a certain topic (maybe a charged one, or whatever) to a group of high school kids, a group of prison inmates, a group of refugees, and a group of politicians. Let's say you use the exact same words and phrasing each time. Don't you think it's quite likely that different groups will interpret your message differently because they're relying on their own background experiences in order to interpret your words?

Edit: I had to delete this comment and try again because my iPad is a piece of junk and wouldn't let me type. Oh well.

Realism is not new dude

really because the rest of reddit, the rest of society actually has a warped reality

Tbh reddit is just a pretty bad representation of what people with common sense think. It’s too many progressive social justice warrior and everything is so positive here.

There are humans (normies), metahumans (Tesla, Newton etc.), then there's us - the subhuman. Only the first group lacks cogent awareness of reality.

what? incels understand reality better than anyone.

I don't think you read my post accurately.

oh. tru.

I'm going to give you a bit of advice. stop seeing yourself as subhuman. You're not. Learn to love yourself, flaws and all, and you'll see your life getting better. It's a gem tucked into every philosophy, every religion, every successful person: if you love yourself, the universe will too. If you hate yourself, so will everyone else.

I agree, maybe if the jews didn’t hate themselves so much with their persecution cmolex being ingrained into them by their very own holy book, maybe the nazis wouldn’t have genocided them.

I'm going to ignore your obvious attempt at trolling. This is the only response you'll get.

You're not a jew being persecuted by Nazis, you dumb fuck. You're a lonely dude. A sad, pathetic, lonely dude who can't accept that the reason he's so sad and pathetic and lonely is because of something entirely within his control.

It's your life, man. Choose how you want to live it. If you want to live it here, with the other sad, pathetic, lonely dudes who don't really WANT to help you get out of it, (because if you did, it would make them feel even worse about themselves...) then don't let me stop you. But if you want to be happy... it's out there. All you have to do is go get it.

I really think you’re missing the point if the analogy. Jews were still hated and persecuted throughout history, no matter how much they “learned to love themselves”. It shows that your advice isn’t applicable to people who will be ostracized and hated by others no matter their efforts. Your useless advice comes from the misguided belief that we haven’t tried and aren’t currently trying to improve our situation, when in fact I and other incels are. We don’t want to be sad, and do our best to not be, and use this sub to cope with venting/humor, but people like you have to come here to get your dose of attention by giving vague and useless advice because the idea that certain aspects of life and the world around you are not within your control is scary.

If you compare yourself to jews being persecuted, you're being a dumb fuck. Sorry, but that's just the truth. Nobody is gassing you by the millions. They're not fucking you. It's seriously not that bad. Millions of people go through dry spells. Sometimes, lasting decades. It's not because you don't love yourself, it's because you're being a hyperdramatic dumb fuck and you need to grow up. That shit is why nobody takes your group seriously.

As for the rest... You have control over how you feel. It's the ONLY thing you really have control over. Everything else in the world will come or not, but how you feel about it is what you CAN control. And if you choose to ignore that control, well, that's your problem.

You want to be better, you have to figure out how to control how you feel about yourself. Because if someone out in the world can make you feel better, they can control you... and that's the worst. Own your self. Get there. from experience, that's the first step. (not the last, mind, but the first for sure.)

I know you're trying to help each other, but the truth is, this sub is poison for you. Hate me for saying so, but as someone who has been there... this place is full of shit that will keep you alone. It's full of ideas and people and concepts and other crap that is designed to make you feel slightly better, while poisoning you to the rest of the world. And you already know how the rest of the world will react to that: By ostrazising you further.

Everyone goes through this crap. The key is to not make it part of you. by attaching a label to yourself, you are giving that part of your life power over yourself. Don't do it. Turn it off, sign up for a pottery class, and see what else is out there. Do anything. Just please, don't stay here. You are SO much more than this bullshit.

Or keep being the dumb fuck who assigns the same value to himself as the nazis assigned to the jews. See how well that works for you. (But keep in mind, my words SHOULD hold no value to you, if I honestly feel you're a dumb shit. I'm just a piece of shit who would bully you, right? If you own yourself, my insults can't touch you...)

Yeah man, those jews should’ve just ignored the control nazi’s had over them and learned that it was their own fault they felt sad when they were shoved into gas chambers.

Also, once again, you’re too low-IQ to understand the point of an analogy. Analogies are meant to by hyperbolic to get across the point of a more subtle concept being discussed.

You have control over how you feel. It's the ONLY thing you really have control over. Everything else in the world will come or not

So you agree that for some people, relationships, sex, etc will come or not, and they don’t really have control over it?

Because if someone out in the world can make you feel better, they can control you... and that's the worst.

So your wife and kids are the worst for making you feel better?

It's full of ideas and people and concepts and other crap that is designed to make you feel slightly better, while poisoning you to the rest of the world.

uh oh, better stop my wrongthink!

Turn it off, sign up for a pottery class, and see what else is out there.

“just take a pottery class bro, it’s that easy”

(But keep in mind, my words SHOULD hold no value to you, if I honestly feel you're a dumb shit. I'm just a piece of shit who would bully you, right? If you own yourself, my insults can't touch you...)

So by your admission I shouldn’t out any value to your wall of text, and should ignore your advice? Sounds like a good idea (even though following it is paradoxical). Bye.

Thanks for playing. You don't see how you could be wrong, and are to invested in this disfactual ideology to move past it. I hope you figure out what I did. That you are unlike the Jews in that the pain you feel is self-inflicted and totally within your control to change.

I don't doubt you'll learn that eventually. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent, though arrogantly hyperdramatic person. I just hope that it doesn't take you too long. It's a shitty place to be, where you seem to be. It was when I was there.

Have a good night.

You have control over how you feel.

As a psychologist -- no, you don't. There is no homunculus inside your skull that is the "real you" and can choose to push certain buttons or pull certain levers. The brain is a physical organ and is subject to the laws of physics (which, in turn, means that it's subject to determinism, at least according to the current "standard" scientific view). You don't "choose" your thoughts and feelings, they just happen. Most people have a sensation of free will when it comes to their actions. However, if you feel as though you can actually choose which emotion you're going to feel at the moment, you're somewhat of an anomaly.

If you own yourself, my insults can't touch you...

This is also not true. Most people's social schemas change (in both conscious and unconscious ways) in response to repeated bullying and ostracism. It's not a matter of choice. And, like I said, people don't "choose" how they feel. Because of this, I see the "my insults shouldn't be able to touch you" claim as both untrue and as an unfair way to place blame on the victim rather than the person who's actually insulting them. In other words, it's a lame excuse for saying things that someone knows that he/she shouldn't say.

dumb fuck pathetic you're being a hyperdramatic dumb fuck and you need to grow up You are SO much more than this bullshit

Hmm. One of these things is not like the others.

Users here notice that kind of thing and often deem it hypocritical. I have to admit that it certainly looks that way.

You won't reach people who have been bullied, are insecure, and are suffering from depression by insulting them, of all things. That just drives them further away and makes the problem worse. To be honest, your words are quite insensitive to incels' experiences and mindsets. Most of them are depressed and anxious, and this is not how you should talk to depressed people. If you can't talk to them without insulting them, it's best not to even try. They see it as more evidence that "normal" people detest them. It encourages their feelings of hopelessness, not the other way around.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh. I'm not trying to bully you. I'm trying to explain why people are reacting this way.

Ok. I agree that you're probably right in that the insults aren't helpful. But tbh it's hard not to call out particularly dumb behavior that way. I apologize. I never wanted to be insulting to the person, but to the behaviour that the person is doing.

That said, if you are depressed... please, leave this sub. It's not going to help you. It's in fact one of the WORST places for someone who is depressed. It's not a group counselling session, it's a crab bucket.

As for the psychological ability to change your feelings... I've been through enough cognitive therapy to know it IS true. You CAN control your emotional state. That's what CBT is all about. Reframe the thoughts around those emotions and the emotions WILL change. I'm speaking from experience. And if you learn to do That, nothing anyone else says can touch you... Because you learn to frame their input as "pointless idiocy that I can ignore".

Yeah... there's an element of dragging people down. Some users who "escape" inceldom get picked on.

As for the psychological ability to change your feelings... I've been through enough cognitive therapy to know it IS true. You CAN control your emotional state. That's what CBT is all about. Reframe the thought

This is more of a philosophical disagreement. CBT does produce results, but that still doesn't mean that there's a mini-you with free will inside your brain who chooses your beliefs and emotions. If you buy into the standard scientific view, which is physicalism, then you'd say that CBT works because of physical cause and effect. A person talks to you and engages you in an interaction which, over time, reshapes your neural connections and thereby reshapes the way you perceive your environment and process information. At no point is it necessary to bring the concept of "choosing" into it.

It's just a philosophical disagreement, though. We both want the same thing in the end -- for people to be happier and be healthier.

So youre saying all i have to do is go out and get your roastie pussy?

You DO get that using the term "roastie" is horribly stupid, right? You understand that Labia don't do ANYTHING like that term implies, and that by using it, you're pointing out just how little you understand women and their parts, right?

Also it's going to be hard to get my roastie pussy, considering I'm a dude. But that's not even the worst part.

Because, basically, you understand (in your own kinda dumbshite way) what I'm saying. Except you miss the point. If Pussy is the only thing that will make you happy, you're fucked. Because pussy comes and pussy goes. And you don't control it. So your happiness will always be in the hands of another person.

He (and all of us) should just stay home and rot - maybe pick up smoking to speed up the process.

Why? Other than an obsession with how much pussy you're not getting, most of the people here are reasonably good people. Worth more than an unattended funeral and a shallow unmarked grave, for sure.

So why do you insist on punishing him (and by extension, your self?) You don't deserve to feel the way you do.

I don't make the rules; I avoid them. The world is a wicked place, and in 2018, devoid of meaning or purpose.

That's some great advice that would work well on a truckstop placemat or a meme my 71-year-old aunt posts every other Tuesday. By your rationale, subhumans must've been born hating themselves.

No, you've just listened to the wrong people. Because anyone who tells you you're subhuman is lying to you. Even if that person is you.

So stop listening. Own your feelings, learn to control them, and find your happiness without the help of others. Because until you do, you won't find lasting happiness.

Early 30s, one girlfriend (who despite her lies bailed the split second my disability became an issue), zero social life, short, fat, receding hairline, low latent inhib... recluse. I never put myself in situations where people have the opportunity to harm me.

It is. Normies, Chads, Stacies, Brads, Beckies, all of them are fully aware of life being shitty & of themselves, by extension, being shitty people. They just learn to suppress it through developing astronomical egos & hiding it away in the corners of their mind. When Stacy bullies an outcast to a gory suicide, she’s able to post a false memorial message on Facebook & sleep soundly, precisely because of this ego suppressing reality. But that underlying knowledge of reality never really goes away, which is why when any of those social archetypes is reported to parents, school management, workplace HR etc for bullying, harassment etc at any point in their lives, they react extremely violently & their entire social collective does the same. Why do you think ‘snitches/touts’ become social pariahs even when they reported real sociopaths? Because it translates that suppressed knowledge into reality & the normies can’t take it.

High IQ post

Chad doesn't even know what a JRPG is.

It was an example. Chad could have a Brad brother who got him into them at a young age.

The point I'm making is that the hive mind prevents Chad from actually expressing any socially different interests he may have.

I don't know what JRPG's are...I swear I'm no Chad though. Just that werid guy who rides his motorcycle all alone on a desolate country road in the middle of the night.

Jordan peterson?

No actually, though maybe he raises the same points as I do. Haven't looked at his lectures yet.

I've used the black pill to my great advantage, as well as other forms of awareness.

You are correct, if the average person senses this, the will reject. I've learned this the hard way, but I've also learned to hide it.

The only real drawback is the feeling that no one in the world really knows you. A feeling that now gives me an odd pleasure as I know I will never rely on women for anything ever again. Now they truly can not hurt me.

wasn't this the plot of the breakfast club

uber iq post

Anyone with a shred of self confidence or actual friends wouldn't give a single fuck and would happily admit any non-mainstream hobbies/interests.

Ego suppressing reality? A healthy mind can embrace reality and deal with it instead of dwelling in narcissism and constant existential crisis.

Normies aren’t actually confident, they’re confident within the hive mind.

Normies also dwell in narcissism.

Nah. Almost anyone outside of highschool wouldn't think twice about mentioning hobbies and ignoring any negative connotations. You're painting a picture that quite clearly panders to the "enlightened incel" fantasy.

Chad and Nigel arent friend because liking anime isnt enough for a friendship to form. It's not because of your fabricated social fauxpais that Chad would be committing.

if he conforms, is he really a chad?

Every normie, including Chad, conforms in some way.

Holy shit everytime I come to this sub the more my thoughts are manifested in words I could have not thought of myself. Precisely had a situation like this last year in HS. This guy liked all the same shit I did: anime, Vidya, fashion. Naturally I had to keep what I liked under wraps because it would be seen as weird. But he could express his interests and be seen as cool. We both subtly acknowledged this and I wish we didn't have to care about that and actually interact. I could tell he was kind bummed because I was the only one in our school who had similar interests as him. Fuck this world lost out on a potentially good friend

No, you were supposed to be killed by some disease or wild animal when you were a child, just like any other severely handicapped individual would have been in ages past.

Yeah... probably not

Delusion feels a lot like enlightenment.

It's like a lot of normies that spill into this sub are mentally incapable of understanding us more then simply "disagreeing".

Or it's because the fact the life isn't fair is usually realized and accepted at a young age, it's the bitching ppl reject

Yeah, accepted by the people on top. Even if you don't identify as incel you're still depressed and lonely if you haven't had proper social circles in over a decade. It's just a bullshit facade mixed with cognitive dissonance that makes people say they are still going strong.

Indeed.

The truth about women's preferences, mating habits and behaviors is too much for most people to handle.

The normies, orbiters and gaslighters come to this subreddit, in large part, to indoctrinate us back into the bluepill through shaming tactics and insults.

Won't work.

For further elucidation: depressive realism

That makes no sense

Thanks for playing. You don't see how you could be wrong, and are to invested in this disfactual ideology to move past it. I hope you figure out what I did. That you are unlike the Jews in that the pain you feel is self-inflicted and totally within your control to change.

I don't doubt you'll learn that eventually. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent, though arrogantly hyperdramatic person. I just hope that it doesn't take you too long. It's a shitty place to be, where you seem to be. It was when I was there.

Have a good night.