Virtue signalling

I fucking hate people and all their bullshit platitudes toward suicide. I sincerely think the world would be a better place if assisted suicide for anyone was legal, and people could just leave by choice without constant pressure by society to keep suffering. Maybe then people would see the overwhelming amount of males opting out and actually think of how fucked everything is.

i agree being a libertarian, but then i realize people say that would kill them selves for a failed exam or for one lost job. People think in a short term frame

Yeah, I did think of that. It's a good point, I think it should be a sort of long (but not too long) process that actually requires some effort e.g. paperwork. If people truly want to do it they will organize it and not withdraw their decision until the time comes.

yes this is the thing that doesnt give me peace. i love the libertarian principles but in cases like this or abortions, the idea of having a process where the gov or a group of experts/doctors approve or support the decision seems far better.

idk, i'm just mumbling at this point

No people must have access to suicide on demand. The earth is overpopulated anyway, the death of a few thousand incels won’t hurt anybody. It should be an unalienable right to choose whether you want to live or die.

it's more probable that stacy and chad commit suicide then incels if it was available and easy accessible.

All the more reason to encourage it

now that i think of it yes, imho incels have jokes so much about roping etc and are at such a bottom level that life can become only better. idk like, the second a crise time comes normies will start suicide i bet my ass

What’s it to you when other people want to end their lives?

It’s their lives and not yours

it's called simpathy, if i think the reason is stupid and it can be overcome i would try to dissuade the person from suiciding, like for a failed exham.

incel is almost (if not entirely) impossible to overcome.

>simpathy

Maybe then people would see the overwhelming amount of males opting out and actually think of how fucked everything is.

Nah, the unequal distribution would just become even more fucked, so 80/20 would become 95/5. nothing will change

That would be celebrated as a positive outcome given all the money being poured into reducing female suicide.

On one hand I agree, but I think a more effective way of letting everyone know that they've gone too far is by having men start killing other people instead of themselves. Not advocating anything, but that's how it goes.

why would you let your slaves kill themselves? don't be stupid.

Assisted suicide is for someone who is terminal and in lost of pain. You have to go through a few psych evals so that they know it's not just because your depressed. Because while the mental anguish from depression can feel worse than any physical pain immaginable it is still treatable with therapy and medication as opposed to someone where medicine can only make them comfortable as they die. Assisted suicide for depression will never make sense. By definition your thought process is clouded.

Its also plenty easy just to buy a gun and some hollow points in this country. Much quicker than doctors appointments and the like.

I understand, that's why I said assisted suicide for anyone. I know this shit will never happen. And what "this country"? I don't have easy access to guns or tall buildings where I live.

Obviously the US man. You got 50 bucks and know where a pawn shop is? Boom gun. You over 18 and have a Wal-Mart nearby? Boom gun.

But seriously man suicide isn't the way. Get help. Talk to someone in real life. Sifting through this toxic waste dump of a sunreddit won't do you any good.

I knew it was US, I was more meaning to imply not everyone lives there and has easy access to methods of suicide. If what I said became real, I would apply for it. Actually, maybe the idea that no matter how worse life could get, I always can escape painlessly will actually be comforting and actually lessen my thoughts of suicide. Who knows. And thanks for the four platitudes in a row.

1. If a gun, tall building, or chemical injection is all you can think of for methods of suicide you got a bad imagination: car exhaust and a tube, car and a bridge, rope, razor blade and your arm, a rat poison millkshake, or a bunch of heroin.
   

And as someone who's battled depression on and off for many years, you are gonna get platitudes my man. But if you respond with condescension to anyone who gives you some, you will push everyone away and then wont even bother giving you basic advice and platitudes. And while platitudes may be oversimplified and overused they have truth to them. That's why they become overused.

Lmao at a bunch of heroin, sure I'm going to risk prison to kill myself. Of course I've researched methods of suicide, and what you listed are things I absolutely would not do and I suggest any suicidal person not do. I want to spend my last moments in reflection of my life before an instant decision and quick death, not wallowing and choking, coughing up blood or bleeding out in pain. I am responding in condescension to your platitudes because you are replying to a comment I made about bullshit platitudes. If someone personally knows me, of course I'll accept their platitudes. It means absolutely nothing because you do not know me, and I have heard someone who does not know me say it before.

Carbon monoxide is way peaceful. Probably your best bet. You just fall asleep one final time.

Thanks man I'll look into it.

Yeah it's a good one!

all of them aside from tall building and specific injections are terrible methods to suicide.
if you're dead set on doing it, at least be sure to be educated about the methods and get to know how many people survive in terrible conditions because of bad popular methods

but then how is a 5/10 woman gonna get 100 matches on tinder in 24 hours to validate her??????

At this point they're probably a nuisance to her. I wouldn't be surprised if tinder filters out less successful males to make the tinder experience more inviting to women, when the entire success of the app is dependent on their presence.

I only matched with waaay below average.

Damn man, my friend swiped literally everyone and finally matched a girl who told him to get a haircut and unmatched him. Shit is brutal.

Bots. Russian bots.

I came within a few steps of jumping off a bridge. Some stopped me and I’m grateful they did.

Stopped you online or in person?

It was over the phone. They called me. I’m not even sure why, actually.

How are u doing noe

Infinitely better. Most of the issues that got me so low are gone. Other things will always be a struggle. Life isn’t perfect, but it never will be, and these days life is good.

Are you still an incel

No. The whole idea of being Incel didn’t exist when I was suicidal. This was almost 20 years ago. I didn’t have sex until I was almost 19. And my first real relationship started around that time (with the same girl). Ironically, being in that relationship didn’t stop me from falling into a huge depression that was, in many ways, the result of me feeling like nobody except this one girl could ever love me because of how ugly I was.

almost 19...lmao

I don’t get it.

You really don't.

Okay. Are you much older than 19 or something?

Everyone here is 37 and the closest they came to sex was when they bumped into a girl at Walmart

Honestly, I have a very hard time believing the average poster here is that old. And if Incels.me is representative, the older end will be closer to mid-20s, with 30s and older being real outliers.

Probably most of them late teens early twenties in reality, yeah. 90%+ wouldn’t be involuntary celibates if they just lost the attitude,

Ah I see

Get the fuck off our sub then you normie bitch, holy shit normie invaders are almost as bad as IT

You could just ignore me if you’re that upset about it. I’m not here to start anything. And I don’t think I’ve been anything but respectful to the people here.

Who gives a fuck. This is our space. It's like going to r/suicidewatch and being like "I'm not suicidal, I actually turned my life around and have been doing great since the age of 19. But I totally feel you guys! "

You post on IT, you're a fatass sack of trash. You also literally said "to be silent is to be complicit" on an IT post trashing some retard incel who was into underage girls, expecting incels to start coming in and denouncing him.

That's like saying Muslims are complicit when ISIS murders a ton of innocent people because Muslims aren't marching in the streets denouncing the acts of ISIS. You're a fucking retard if you think that's true.

I apologize for not thinking that through before posting it.

Fuck off back to IT. You're a disgusting two-faced excuse of a man for posting here pretending to sympathize with incels and then turning face on IT to go and make fun of them.

Since you’ve been reading my posts, I think you’ll see they’ve trended towards a different tone of response. I decided I wasn’t being fair, so I changed.

Lmao might as well join in.

Eat a dick hotel_oblivion u stank ass fuck nigga

Just curious: how old are you?

Then you're a retard and you'd be better off jumping.

Truth is, nobody would bat a fucking eye.

That's not true. Whenever someone in a community you know of vanishes to the rope, people actually mourn that person.

They may not care to the extent of caring about a family member or a close friend, but it is more than a random stranger.

Memes and pets are good copes. Noone knows for certain if it will get better, but personally I think that not-existing is the worst state any human can be in, so by choosing the rope you put yourself in a worse position.

How is being dead worse than being incel?You can't regret dying once your dead and being incel means no love and no sex.

"so by choosing the rope you put yourself in a worse position" A position that once you are in you won't know your in.

How is being dead worse than being incel?

Because I consider "not existing" to be one of the absolutely worst conditions possible.

What happens when you die naturally after a full, long, miserable life of suffering as an incel

Congrats you managed to live the most absolutely, extremely, worst, bad condition possible

Rope is the fucking pope

but when you’re alive there’s always a chance of improvement. It’s possible in absolute hopelessness that you’ll see something entirely new. basically you might think you’re hopeless mow but you could certainly be more hopeless lmfao

rope is the pope

What happens when you die naturally after a full, long, miserable life of suffering as an incel.

That incel is when dead at an even worse state than when he was alive. Not existing is really that horrible in my opinion.

and i'm saying a horrible life + nonexistence is the ultimate worst thing to ever happen..

so if you can end the horrible life and just go on to the nonexistence, that'd be objectively better

so suicide is highly recommended for incels

Yes, you hold the opinion that a horrible life is better than not existing and I disagree because I value existence too highly. We just have a difference of opinion due to different valuations.

but it is an extremely bad condition.

Even if it was "extremely bad" you can never experience because you're dead

Even if it was "extremely bad" you can never experience it because you're dead.

Sure but you can compare that state to alive states and judge which one is worse. Worst doesn't just mean "Which has most pain".

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That, and they see a weak person and they say, "Cool, I'll always be better than them, so I want them around so I can look at them and feel better... about me."

People are insanely selfish and disgusting. That doesn't mean ALL people and certainly not all men.

The only reason the government doesn't want people to kill themselves around age 25 is because they miss out (on average) on about a million and a half dollars worth of tax money. You're not productive if you're dead.

I mean, you’re not wrong.

Taxes, the society needs a bunch of males with low status to work

I tell people not to do it because I was depressed once and felt the same way. Completely hopeless and I hated everyone and didn't think they understood. I've pulled my life together but I never forget how lost I was and how many times I wanted to go through with it.

So much this. "I urged someone to continue living in severe pain without even blinking at the issue that made him suicidal in the first place. I did a good job!!"

I just find it weird how even atheists and agnostics in the West are against suicide, which stems from Judeo-Christian notions of sanctity of life, when in Eastern secular philosophies, suicide wasn't a big deal.

suicide is the only real mgtow

The rope is the only hope

Euthanasia for incels need to be a thing

Yeah really. The best thing to say to a suicidal incel? "Livestream it". Imagine if all those incels who killed themselves livestreamed it and explained their situations on camera before doing the deed. Listening to the guy's horror stories about what life is like as an uggo, shorty or cripple, then actually seeing the blood spurting out of his neck after blowing his head off with a shotgun...yeah, that might help bring more sympathetic attention to the plight of romantically worthless males.

I was thinking about this too.

humans are evolutionary incapable of being empathetic to low value men -_-

NOT killing yourself is an even better options n. No one will care.

I'm assuming, you are a normie?

Imagine being such a loser that you use think calling someone normal is an insult

So calling people losers is how you talk them down from suicide? I mean don't get me wrong, I could care less rather you endorse doing it or not. But if no one will care, then, you shouldn't care either.

What if one looks beyond individual motivation to find the reason the anti-suicide meme? A permissive attitude toward suicide is symptomatic of weak will to life. If such a sentiment is allowed to spread through a society uncensured, you get increased pessimism, defeatism. Such societies will tend to get pwned by societies dominated by more uplifting, energising, vivifying memes. Evolution, man.

As someone who believes that suicide should be permissible and destigmatized, your post offers a brilliant counter argument I had never considered.

If you want more proof of this, just ask them for more help after they try to convince you suicide isn't worth it and watch as they say "aha...haha.. yeah I have things to do sorry bye" Just let me fucking leave goddammit.

I'm a pothead incel too bro :) Definitely helps the cope, as you get into your 30's your sex drive starts to die down, the incel thing gets easier. However, the years of damage and abuse will still haunt you, even when you stop caring or giving a fuck about women anymore.

I'm an incel and I say it,because I value life even though it's horrible .

I'm an advocate for universal voluntary euthanasia. Every adult should have the right to peacefully kill himself without any pain and suffering. My only dream is to see this become a thing before I die.

If there's a hell, its better not to suicide.

I have a really hard time relating to caring about others and have dulled emotion but I 'feel' you should give cope a chance, you might find the supreme cope.

People who express all these fluffy platitudes, especially over the internet, probably mean well....but yeah, I also can't help but groan when I see shit like that.

"I understand!!! I was sad for three days one time 17 years ago but I started doing yoga and I PROMISE life gets better! My messages are always open if you wanna talk!" Okay ya sure, someone who already considers their life a burden is definitely gonna go slide into some random nt LeRedditor's dm box.

I just took my ADHD meds on an empty stomach, so excuse my word-vomit here.

But, at the risk of being one of those curséd LeRedditors; one of my close friends died by suicide a few years ago, when we were in high-school. Her death affected and hurt so many people. I won't get into details....but jesus.

Now when I am in the darkest and deepest of depression-holes, sometimes the only glimpse of rationality that I can cling to is knowing that ending my own life will not end the pain. The pain that we feel in this life will not vanish alongside our corporeal bodies. The magnitude of suffering will only increase tremendously, and the burden will be felt by so many others--even people we've never met, or barely talked to. (Can speak from experience.)

Life shouldn't be lived just because we feel guilted out of death, though. These thoughts are just what get me, personally, out of that hole. Similarly, death shouldn't be thought of as a token of revenge, as a way to inflict "deserved pain" onto others. Why would you expend your life, the only thing you've ever known, just so that other people can feel pain?

So why the hell do "normies" and neurotypicals keep on living? Living these monotonous, draining, wretchedly absent-minded lives? It's Hope, I guess; that it'll get better on the weekend, or on their vacation days, or after retirement....And then the weekend arrives, they go on the vacation, they're happy for a bit....They're old, they retire....but they've already wasted their whole life hoping it'll get better.

Personally, I subscribe to the same ignorant ideal. I keep living because I cling to the hope that "it'll get better" someday. Though I must recognize that this hope comes from an immense place of privilege. No one can promise us that it will get better. But I think it is part of our nature to hope that it will, and to keep on living to strive for betterment.

Might get a little preachy here, oops, but....

If in the end, we find that it won't get better after all...instead of trying to escape this life, we can try to embrace it....accept the pain and suffering, and try to make as much use of this life we were given. Maybe we can't "make life better" for us, but we can use the bodies and brains we were given to try to make it a little less painful for other people that are worse-off, in whatever way that we can.

The only reason these dynamics exist is because the organisms that would be likely to kill themselves will not pass on their genes as often. That "hope" is just a neurological inhibitor that resulted out of a necessity for self-sustaining life in order for it to ever propagate.

Also society thinks you're a nigger and own you and your labor.

I'm serious. Its why you're not (((entitled))) to anything but crybaby when you doxx them for banning you, shoot up schools for being apeshit incel, whatever whenever. Anything that involves the nigger saying no to his ma'ssa is a crime and a tragedy.

But the nigger is just expected to work and EVENTUALLY die. Not right now...but afyer thirty or so years of good pack muling. The buck niggers or "Chads" will reproduce but unsightly niggers just work and do their best to stay invisible.

The world needs worker bees to make it go round

Come up with a reason to live then. If you're unhappy with your life, make it different. Quit your bad habits. Quit looking at porn and playing video games and feeling bad for yourself. Go out and do something with your life. If you aren't trying to change it, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Why dont you go fuck yourself

its a good way to prevent focusing on an actual problem

but then how is a 5/10 woman gonna get 100 matches on tinder in 24 hours to validate her??????

Actually, the reason is they need the wagecuck labor for the economy.

No. The whole idea of being Incel didn’t exist when I was suicidal. This was almost 20 years ago. I didn’t have sex until I was almost 19. And my first real relationship started around that time (with the same girl). Ironically, being in that relationship didn’t stop me from falling into a huge depression that was, in many ways, the result of me feeling like nobody except this one girl could ever love me because of how ugly I was.

This post and the comments in support of it are fucking disgusting and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

Because you’re a piece of shit.

Eh, you’re completely right that I personally wouldn’t notice your absence (how can I when I don’t even know you), suicide is nevertheless an extremely permanent solution to problems that are almost certainly not as permanent.

All jokes and memes aside, suicide illogical, you don't have all of the data at hand to determine if suicide would be the mathematically correct decision. There is potential future utility and happiness that is lost. Happiness has many sources. Think of your favourite foods, games, movies etc. Now realize that there will be more of those in the future.

Don't let the lack of some femoids in your life deprive you of the happiness you get from other things.

Jesus christ I never released how pathetic you people are until this post.

exactly

its all self righteous nonsense

if people want to die its their choice

why do they care about you as soon as you say you're gonna kill your self but never bother to help you or care about you when you're alive?

they just need you around for their convenience as a wage slave or other use

I've actually figured, if I rope, all the family members who fed me platitudes and victim-blamed me, and all this other shit, I'd write in my suicide note that they are NOT allowed at my funeral. My parents, uncles, aunts, etc.... If they didn't care about my problems when I was alive, they don't get to automatically give a shit when I am dead.

If you live in a big city somebody may be happy to have the apartment available.

At this point they're probably a nuisance to her. I wouldn't be surprised if tinder filters out less successful males to make the tinder experience more inviting to women, when the entire success of the app is dependent on their presence.

Honestly, I have a very hard time believing the average poster here is that old. And if Incels.me is representative, the older end will be closer to mid-20s, with 30s and older being real outliers.

Bots. Russian bots.

Probably most of them late teens early twenties in reality, yeah. 90%+ wouldn’t be involuntary celibates if they just lost the attitude,

Why dont you go fuck yourself