Lol. I've always been told if I have nothing 'nice' to say, then don't say anything. I'll speak my mind on incels.me gladly.

I never said that. I just said that I won't make any comment if I have nothing "nice" to say.

We don't have to say nice things, but there is usually a subtle way to get your thoughts out. Even if you show apathy towards the incident, people are smart enough to read between the lines.

Well glad someone can. They ban people BUT LET'S FEEL BAD FOR A POISONOUS AMERICAN SOCIETY THAT LETS CHILD MOLESTORS BANB PEOPLE WAAAAH

Fuck you. I'm glad people die. That ain't an incel thing, it's a I'm sick of mod bullshit thing

Nah I think it was a Hispanic kid so the media isn't even going to report on it

They don't know who the shooter is yet but they want to report breaking news. As soon as they verify who it was, if it's a non-white person you'll notice the reportage dying down significantly.

2 perps

Definitely not incels

it's one perp then another person of interest

who is this other person, we shall see as story developes

it's a non-white person you'll notice the reportage dying down significantly.

ER, Toronto attacks (armenians aren't white), and the florida school shooting come to mind. If it involves guns and schools it will always be covered extensively.

Elliot Rodger

www.mixedracestudies.org/?tag=elliot-rodger - "Killer who committed massacre in Isla Vista was part of alt-right, new ..."

www.mixedracestudies.org/?tag=elliot-rodger - "For weeks following the Isla Vista shooting, killer Elliot Rodger was described in mainstream media as a young White man. This was a convenient narrative: ..."

Toronto

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/04/25/inside-the-online-world-of-incels-the-dark-corner-of-the-internet-linked-to-the-toronto-suspect/?noredirect=on - Toronto van suspect's cryptic 'Incel Rebellion' Facebook post explained ... appropriated by groups of disaffected, young white males who often ...

Florida

https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz - Feb 15, 2018 - A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida ... the man charged with the previous day's deadly shooting spree at a ...

https://news.sky.com/story/why-are-white-men-more-likely-to-carry-out-mass-shootings-11252808

Funny how the guy's name was "De Cruz" yet he was reported as white, huh? If the shooter does not fit "white" precisely, he is changed to white. Have you EVER heard of a black male mass school shooting (even though logically this MUST occur)?

No one in their right mind thought and still looks at ER was a white man. He was and has always looked clearly mixed.

I can link you articles where witnesses described the toronto suspect as a swarthy/non native looking person. I never saw white as a description of the suspect in the early articles by witnesses.

Cruz is more of an oddball because he like Elliot was mmixed with some white. And his name while hispanic is also a result of being adopted by white cubans.

Have you EVER heard of a black male mass school shooting (even though logically this MUST occur)?

Depends on what you consider to be a mass shooting. Usually it must range between 5 or so fatalities with at least 10+ casualties. If this is the case then for whatever reason blacks are statistically underrepresented in that sort of crime unlike their homicide rates. There are black school shooters though, it just happens to end up being just a single homicide or gang related so it get's separated from mass school shooting categories. Gang shooting in schools happened a lot in the 80's though, but weren't "mass" school shootings.

still

The thing with the media is that our recollection years later isn't really the issue. It's the immediate impact that counts.

In fact an honest reporting on the issue would have talked about women's discrimination against Asian/hapa men in dating as the actual issue. Instead it was shoehorned into the "incel" identity (implicitly white imo).

toronto suspect as a swarthy/non native looking person

This wasn't dwelled on at all. It was immediately retconned to be "about" the shooter being an incel. My theory on this guy tho was that it all happened because he went bald at an early age. Bald at 24 = 0 SMV = Mass shooting.

I guess my point is if there's ANY way they can make it about the shooter being white or downplay his ethnic identity, they will. At this point the killer would need to shout "Allahu Ackbar" while shooting a guy eating a ham sandwhich for the media to take paints to point out his ethnicity.

Well they described Zimmerman as a White man even though hes clearly a brown skinned Hispanic

Indeed but we are talking about school shooting, specifically mass school shootings.

Swarthy doesn't mean non-white, it's just a white person with a tan complexion and/or dark hair and eyes.

Swarthy doesn't mean non-white, it's just a white person with an olive skin tone and/or dark hair and eyes.

I wouldn't have looked at Zimmerman and seen a white man, he clearly looked hispanic, mestizo if you will.

I was referring to the dude in Toronto. I agree that Zimmerman looks in no way or shape, like a white man.

Just really shocking when whitecels won't claim their own, always with the one drop rule

HURR ET isn't white

Yeah he was a mixed child raised as a white boy, read his manifesto, he had a white mind yellow body, thought he was superior to full Asians.

HURR ET isn't white

ER and hapas aren't white. No matter how hard you try to meme it lol.

Armenians are literally Caucasian

So are most Hispanics and Arabs. I'm not going to start calling them white lmao.

Armenia is in the Caucus region...not sure you got the joke

Caucasian and white are two different things.

Where do you see it was a hispanic kid?

It's on every outlet.....

He’s white

(((white)))

that looks like Alfred E Newman's butt child

bad news m8 dude looks straight out of an incel starter pack

It's the Parkland shooter

Absolute unit

Mad lad

it's over for shootercels

Nope

it's over for lawabidingcels

Volcel

Incel starter pack

Fucking kekm8.

And he is an open Nazi who has used the identifier Incel

You have another one guys

That was not long

?

He did not use incel as a label. Stop spreading fake news, piece of shit.

Second incel killer

He's an incel, he's one of you loser fucks.

No

<_< uh huh. hmmmmm.

Lol

hmmmm.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis. Does that name look Hispanic. Don’t lie, you thought that name looked Hispanic. Jesus god.

I said this before the name came out. Shit's south of Houston btw, very Hispanic area.

I apologize. I spoke too soon sir.

you do know there are white Hispanics like cameron diaz? White hispanics were the ruling class when south america was colonized.

No, it sounds greek or Turkish maybe

He's Greek now apparently.

Hispanic kid

Dimitrios Pagourtzis, doesn't sound like a Hispanic name, he's probably of Greek descent.

Doesn't mean much . My name is AraBic and I'm black.

Except this guy is clearly white, furthermore being Hispanic doesn't automatically make you brown.

Greeks are not white

Since fucking when?

Since the Turks raped all their women.

Lol complete hyperbole, sure there would've been a fair number of mixed raced bastard but overall their genetics should've stayed the same.

You misunderestimate the Turks, my friend. The kebab was fully inserted and has yet to be removed.

Kek

And Arabic is still spoken as a native language in parts of Northern Africa.

Hispanics were white until 1970s

Burgers gonna burger

Please explain?

Americans like shooting each other.

/u/Board_Gaming /u/VonMagnar /u/GeneticCleansing please sticky this.

I'm in favor, brought it up with the other mods.

post source along with your claims, OP

I think it might be a good idea to sticky this as well.

Just curious, why though? I don't mind it tbh, but why would mods think its okay? What is the link to incels?

look at "users here now"

Every time there is any violent act ever, people are gonna brigade us on the offchance that the person who did the shooting happened to not have sex.

You're so cute. You know people can read between the lines, right?

And here, lads, is what I am talking about when I was talking about a brigade.

You wish I was a brigade. Life isn't the story you think it is; it's more like a randomly generated horror novel. Better step up soon!

She*

You're a man you faggot mentally ill fuck. Always have and always will be. Suck this dick

Wouldn't that make you gay 🤔

How civil and respectfull of you, good job. Your kind of behaviour is really the reason why everyone likes incells and wants to be friends with them.

I have plenty of friends, none of them mentally ill mind you.

Takes one to know one

That doesn't even make sense in the context lol. TF you trying to say?

That you're an asshole, and a stupid one at that.

Says the bluepilled faggot lmao. Get a fucking life and stop trolling on forums that don't apply to you

I'm not trolling

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Get off my sub, degenerate mentally ill idiot.

Mmmmmm nah? 😘

Would you like it if I came to trans subs and started spewing nonsense? I would be banned immediately. Now gtfo.

Except I'm not spewing nonsense...

I can say that about the nonsense I'd spew on trans subs too

Except one of us has a leg to stand on 🤔 but I know you lot are real fond of false equivalencies

I have a leg to stand on as well and you are fond of false equivalencies.

Now what?

Whatever you say guy! I'm glad this is all working out for you 😊

Whatever you say girl! I'm glad this is all working out for you too. :)

You know that you are really not a convincing girl? Go shave that disgusting moustache of yours boyo

Awww aren't you a cutie 😊 I live with this face dude, do you really think you can find something I haven't told myself a thousand times?

Yeah I have found something. You are mentally ill and condescending go tell yourself how much of a princess you are ya nutcase

Nope, I've written that one down even. Try again!

You're so cute. You know people can read between the lines, right?

Your smug responses and low effort trolling say otherwise, prince(cess).

Do we need to do a roll call of US-Americancels?

US-American is redundant to say. You must be one of those politically correct whiners from Quora. The word "American" would have sufficed.

US-American

yeah that was fucking weird of him to say

It's become the latest fad on Quora to say "US-American" because of butthurt Latin Americans who get mad that we call ourselves Americans. For some weird reason they teach people in the Spanish-speaking world that America is a continent instead of the North and South America that the rest of the world learns. Then they try to say "we're Americans too". Sorry Mr Mexican, you may be a North American but unless you obtain American citizenship you aren't an American.

It's just a matter of what language you're speaking. If you're speaking English, then you would say "American." If you're speaking Spanish, you would say "Estadounidense" which basically means United Statesian.

So why don't Mexicans call themselves estadounidenses? The name of their country is Estados Unidos Mexicanos.

idk, you have to ask them

I have and they never have a good answer.

It's a lampoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww&t=0m10s

Shooter posted an unhinged and threatening anti-generation Z anti-incel rant on Incel Tears two days ago. Authorities are calling him the Incel Tears shooter.

What a prick! At least we won't have to deal with him posting on reddit anymore.

So do we pre-emptively label all normies potential serial killers and dangerous to society now?

Nobody said anything about that.

That's not what I said. This goes back to my other complaint about how many of you seem to really struggle with logic and coming up with a coherent response to statements.

But yes, everyone is a potential serial killer you pillock. That is what the word potential means.

I am an incel, my response wasn't even against you, it was mocking normies for stereotyping incels, you totally misunderstood my comment.

Read your comment, my comment, then downvote this comment too to make yourself feel powerful! :-) You're welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM

Lol

top kek nigga

I think it's our turn to be called an internet watchdog group. /r/braincels - Join The Fight

Now is an excellent time to engage in Internet forum drama. Go west, young man.

is this actually real

Can you link this

It’s not true

Is there an article or police tweet or something you can link, because I've found nothing but this article about him being rejected by one of the victims, which isn't even necessary incel.

Turns out he was a football player.

hispanic so CIA funded cartel kid

not confirmed,ill change my post

Yeah, he was Greek.

greek is most definitely not white lol.

Greek is middle eastern not white.

Finally someone had common sense. It's easy to tell Greek is not white

Greek is not middle eastern, do you even geography bro?

The Mediterranean separates Greece from the middle east.

He’s white. Photos are all over Twitter

He's Greek not American white. He's a foreigner. Trump needa to put Greece on the travel ban.

what is this supposed american white race you speak of? im belarusian american, am i not white? has my whole life been a lie?

Americans don't even know where the fuck belarusian is, so no, you're not American white.

Well this is new news, better go collect my sympathy check from the government

He’s white.

Yes and Greeks are white.

Right after the news broke, at least two posts that looked like they were celebrating the shooting were popped up in here. It seems a mod took them down quick. I'm glad to see someone here actively speaking out against it.

Nice deflection m8

nah you're just angry, you can't hide forever though, a revolution is coming

The world is a fucking cacophony of gnashing teeth and churning tidal waves, and you're in here upset about your shitty lil problems. You should focus more on preparing for the eventual collapse of civilized society, because Satan knows someone as caved in as you lot won't last a second out there.

Best of luck.

I've never taken anything from here and used it somewhere else. Even though some of what I see here is disturbing, I don't feel a need to make a big deal out of it elsewhere.

Anyway, some people here remind me of me when I was younger, which I find interesting. And since some of the posts here remind me of what I went through, I figured I'd share my experiences from time to time.

I don't think of it as a vigil as much as just hanging out.

Imagine if the kid said in public he is an incel and fighting normies. Topjej. The shitshow and the memes would be hilarious, even though it would most likely be a false flag.

You think I run around irl telling everyone I am an incel? I am not an incel because internet forums exist for incels lmao.

fucking fetacel

gyrocel

+1 for gyrocel

There has been 22 school shootings this year.

Jesus christ i had know idea shit was this bad.

The ABSOLUTE state of burgerland

Glad I'm not in school anymore.

At least we still have our freedoms! Kek

One of them was a BB gun. One of them was an accidental discharge during a gun safety demonstration. Not all 22 were like the one today. But the higher the number the more attention it gets.

because a lower number is acceptable. meh. That was just an average school shooting. Stop being so alarmist. That is just high school nowadays. . . cuck

There's not link of him to incels, so why stick this??

Considering that Nicolas Cruz was linked to incels even when he have a girlfriend months before the shooting, i think normtards will find a way or another to link him to this sub.

But i think sticking this is an over-reaction..

They just published an article about one of his victim rejecting him.

Yeah, they mention that she reject him because he dated one of her friends?

Being rejected don't makes you an Incel, an true Incel would have laughed by the entire school because he even to try to get a girlfriend in the first place, and would have his ass beaten for trying for a second time.

I'm not the one how get paid trying to shift the blame on guns or "toxic masculinity" rather than facibg the problem. That's the media

For the record, it seems this kid (17) was bullied by peers and teachers.

I am not condoning what he did, all I DO want to point out to “normies” is that this kid doesn’t seem to have anything to do with incels thus far.

Santa Fe is not the best area, and it’s full of a lot of people with the worst kind of intentions.

In short, don’t jump to conclusions non-incels.

I live near Santa Fe.

It’s a mixed population, but it’s white population can be highly racist. The shooter is reported to be Hispanic.

the shooter is a white kid with a greek name.

Any population can be racist, quit your bullshit moron. At my school the Hispanic majority bullied the White and Asian kids

He's greek.

Gambler?

Possible relation to honest.

He has identified as incel

Shut up whore

saw a shooting came straight here to see if an incel did it.

I bet you 10 shekels that he was ostracized by his peers.

You won them.

http://abc13.com/what-we-know-about-the-santa-fe-shooting-suspect-/3491593/

I mean, if so, they apparently had a point...

You won them.

You won them.

http://abc13.com/what-we-know-about-the-santa-fe-shooting-suspect-/3491593/

Beat, not won.

Force thousands of kids in a 10 square mile area to show up and cram inside the same building 5 days a week from age 6 to age 18. Allow natural sociosexual dominance hierarchies to form and shift. Allow the bottom 30% of males in terms of looks and athleticism to invariably wash out at the bottom and become targets for bullying, rejection, and isolation. Provide little guidance and subpar supervision from barely competent adults, label this shitty state enforced and financed glorified babysitting as "teaching". Of course some are going to lose their minds. Yes "mental health" plays a part, yes guns play a part, but human nature, and the "lord of the flies"-esque breakdown of values that occurs when humans are forced together for long periods of time results in a zero sum dominance game that will always have losers, and sometimes the losers have nothing to lose.

high IQ

He was athletic though.

So in short: School, with guns.

/r/iamverysmart

r/gofuckyourself and r/youonlyuseoneslashforsubredditsdumbass

Bet you he was rejected by a woman and lashed out, like you losers wish you could. Oh yes that's exactly what he did.

Most incels aren't violent and most don't support violence against women.

You people are fucking wastes

Nobody's a waste.

Please don't bully here. Many of the users are depressed and suicidal.

Good

Alright, reported.

I already saw some degenerates on /r/news blaming this on incels, buckle up boyos

How convenient that everybody who’s ostracized for whatever reason can now be called an “evil incel”

They’re taking advantage of the lack of understanding that the general public has of us in order to establish their narrative. If we don’t push back, they will be free to attach the incel label to any lunatic, even without evidence of any ties to any incel community. We’d become society’s new boogie man. They did the same thing to the alt-right, and succeeded.

Wrote this like a week ago.

very very very high iq comment

If you actually care as being seen as lunatics maybe don't say crazy things? It's not that hard. You're not going to be able to "push back" anyone into thinking you guys are ok, the only way to change people's perceptions of you is to change yourselves.

That said, I don't think you care. I think you guys are enjoying this.

99% of incels: “Fuck dude, I sure do resent women for only wanting chad.”

Media: “...”

1% of incels: “Arranged marriages ftw”

Media: “RAW HATRED: A LOOK INSIDE THE DARK WORLD OF THE VIRGIN LOSERS WHO WANT TO ENSLAVE ALL WOMEN”

If you don’t push against that 1% and you associate with them, then you condone it.

Tell that to BLM.

Sure, which is why they haven’t garnered a lot of sympathy.

Are you fucking joking?

Great argument. I can see this will go far.

liblolob, you're an idiot. Not that I expected much from that username anyway. Stupid slut.

this is a point of history for 2016-2018. this is happening right now.

Lmao what goes through your minds. Fuckin get over yourself

Great, more stuff to blame on us.

Watch all the normies call him a virgin

imagine if he was an incel

he was greek? so hes not white. also how come these pussy shooters dont kill themselves anymore?

The solution to the cultural problem in America is to double or quintuple down on bullying and social ostracization.

Only once people know they're not welcome or wanted and never will be, will this problem fix itself. Clearly telling people to kill themselves and spending our precious free hours harassing and bullying them isn't getting the job done.

Or on general mental health.

We could screen bullies for psychopathy, but that seems intrusive.

Lemme guess. You're talking about the mental health of the quiet kid everyone makes fun of, right?

Mental help for society yes. Society is crazy.

bullying and social ostracization.

results of nuclear family, dual income households, sheltered, pussy generation, pharmaceutical and literal drugs, liberalism, atheism, abandoning culture, abandoning decency.

Snarky remarks don't imply anything.

I am not even an American and this still makes so much sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWqTAmU1fHQ

All those things I mentioned were followed by our ancestors for thousands of years (Hindus). Gen Z and millenials destroyed them just because they can't think beyond snarky remarks like "muh olden days"

he thinks hindus are enlightened

they still wiped with their hands back then

Or maybe it's the guns, you fucking derp.

The cultural problem is the 2nd amendment. There are mentally ill people everywhere. There are mass shootings everywhere. The only country that has this problem on the scale that it does is the U.S. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/admin/100000005538701.embedded.html keep on mind that countries like the Philippines have large populations also for their size and other socio economic factors that contribute to the violence. The Philippines has over 100 million people and has Duterte as President, a guy who is basically a mass murderer himself. The problem is not incel culture. It is gun culture.

Also 17 years old so not a incel...

Enter me: Mr. School Shooting Poster.

I used to be sympathetic and even identified with your cause. In high school, before reddit even existed, I was one of you. I was of one of you before the term ever existed. It sucked, a lot. Recently I have been pissed at the brigades that come try to hurt your sub.

But a tiny minority of you dudes are now killing people. But that tiny minority is now proportionally vastly larger than other groups. Chat rooms like this spin these kids up. The chances that someone that fits the description of an ‘incel’ is now statistically more likely to go shoot up their peers.

Maybe you guys don’t need a forum where your venting ends up making someone potentially boil over and hurt people. Maybe the reason why you guys are locked into this seeming perpetual spiral of celibacy is because you have made it a self fulfilling prophecy. Maybe the reason why there were less incels in the past is because there was not a forum like this.

Maybe this should stop.

Was it confirmed as an incel?

That’s ok. You are trying to defend your community, I get it.

Who sets the bounds of inflammatory content? Do you have those guidelines available? Why does an opinion of a root cause assessment of the tragedy fall into the definition of inflammatory?

It’s an opinion.

And a non violent one.

He acted out of self defence against his bullies. Apparently, they terrorized him for years. Nothing to see here.

Yup. Sounds like a clear case of self defense. what are You? simple?

Those 20 students and that one substitute teacher were clearly bullying him with lethal force. /s

One of the first ppl he shot was a girl that rejected him. Just another whiny crybaby incel

She probably bullied him and treated him like shit. School shooting are an act of self defense. You have the right to defend yourself.

Next - Trump bombs Syria

Normcucks: Were incels behind it??

John Bolton in Mustachecel.

Excellent

Legit, in an offhand, indirect way, I think inceltears actually does want shootings from certain populations. It justifies their actions and views postfacto. Why else do they constantly harass people? At what point do we hold the bullies accountable?

As soon as you admit you are a puppet who cannot control yourself. . . nvm.

Shooter identified, Dimitrios Pagourtzis. Mogs me

Turns out he was a gay neck beard who wore a trench coat to school every day (temps are already in the 90’s in that part of Texas).

Also, look at him. I mean... just look.

He’s the type of person you don’t bully because he’ll end up shooting people.

I use mobile, there is no sidebar.

That being said, I looked up the wording in the sidebar. It dictates that an accusation that does “generalize the entire subreddit” is warrant for reprimand. I said a tiny percentage. You can read it again sir.

I’m not trying to hurt anyone here.

Bullshit, I read your comment.

Do you go to muslim forums and tell them they need to stop every time a terror atyack happens?

"I'm not saying all incels are school shooters, but there's enough"

"I'm not saying all muslims are terrorists, but there's enough"

Huh.

Are you attempting to dispute the fact that a disproportionate number of devout Muslims commit violent crimes and alternatively support violent crimes in the name of the religion when directly compared to other devout sects of non-Muslim religions? Because you will lose that argument.

Bad place to start, man.

And yes. This is a direct comparison. There is a higher proportion of young, violent shooters that weather self identified or not are indeed incels when compared to other population groups of the same age.

neat.

There is a higher proportion of young, violent shooters that whether self identified or not are indeed incels and these people recently have been killing more peers when compared to other population groups of the same age.

False. Normies and Chads kill each other over females and petty rivalries all the time. Incels are a peaceful bunch.

I would love to continue the conversation.

Lifefuel

I'm not afraid of you faggot

I don't fucking care

He didn't ask for you to care, he straight told you he reported your ass, dumb ass.

If he’s still alive, he’s already guaranteed to get some shooter groupies (before Texas gives him the chair, of course).

I hate these mass shooters. They can burn in hell for all I care.

They can burn in hell for all I care

Why?

Because they killed innocent people? That's like a surefire way to get to hell

No one is innocent. And hell doesn't exist.

Most people are innocent, and obviously hell doesn't exist.

What is the concept of Hell to you? Eternal torture? Eternal isolation and darkness and the gnashing of teeth? Something else?

Do you support torture here, in this life?

Do you support torture as a means of retribution?

Do you honestly wish eternal torture upon another human being?

That's why I asked. This is not a "duh" question. This is to see whether you actually support the idea of eternal, inescapable torture.

For my part, I don't believe that anyone should have to suffer torture (eternal or otherwise), no matter what they did. No act can ever be heinous enough to justify inflicting such horrible torment and suffering upon another human.

The platitude "two wrongs don't make a right" applies here. How is torture in this life or in a hypothetical afterlife, as a means of retribution, going to benefit anyone or make the world a better place?

Bad people suffering means less than good people suffering. Bad people had the choice to be bad or good and chose bad. They didn't care for the people they consciously made the decision to hurt, so why should anyone choose to care for them in return?

Bad people suffering means less than good people suffering.

Why? Is their worth as human beings diminished if they've committed crimes? Do they become less than human?

How can you tell who's a bad person and who's a good person? Are you able to see into the hearts of others? Are you able to discern what they've experienced and why they do what they do?

Isn't trying to stuff people into the rigid, black-and-white categories of "good" and "bad" a little too simplistic to reflect reality?

Bad people had the choice to be bad or good and chose bad

I don't buy into the concept of free will, but that's another can of worms. This presents a really, really oversimplified understanding of humans being work and how human beings are. There are not just "bad people" and "good people." Since you're a human, I assume it's safe to say that you are probably not completely innocent of anything wrong, or cruel, or unfair. So, does that make you a bad person? Or are there, in fact, shades of grey?

They didn't care for the people they consciously made the decision to hurt, so why should anyone choose to care for them in return?

Do you actually want to live in an eye-for-an-eye society? Because you are not innocent. No person is.

As far as a reason to care for them: They're still human being with thoughts and feelings and inherent worth. But if you don't believe this, another reason to care for them is to help prevent violence and harassment in the future, for the good of society. In fact, we ought to be caring for everyone, for the good of society (if not just for it being inherently good). They might also go on to have children, who should not have to suffer for the mistakes their parents made in the past. But if you treat criminals like trash and refuse them rights and allow them to be discriminated against in the workforce, their children, who have committed no crimes, will suffer.

We revoke peoples freedoms all the time for committing crimes, everyone's fine with that

Depends on which rights you're talking about, but no, I'm gonna go ahead and say that everyone is not fine with that, even if you've never heard anyone express that opinion before. Trying Googling "prisoner's rights" and "felon's rights" to start. It's true that not many people in this society give a shit, but that doesn't make it okay, and there are other people besides me who recognize that.

Two wrongs don't make a right" is a rule we as a society have never followed

What are you implying? That we shouldn't even try to abide by that principle because our society never has? This is an is versus ought problem. What is is not necessarily what ought to be.

I get it, you think you're morally superior, good for you.

Very interestingly, a lot of people react this way when I point out the implications of what they're supporting. It seems that questioning other people's quick judgments and retributive morality hits a nerve with them, and they invariably respond with snarky insults that otherwise seem strange in the context of the conversation.

Maybe one day someone will seriously tell me why they support retributive morality, or whatever the topic at hand happens to be... but most people prefer to use snark to avoid a serious discussion.

Basically my answer to all that is yes, theyve forfeited their rights to be treated as a worthy life when they took the life of an innocent person.

Call me a bad person all you want lmao

I never called you a bad person. And I don't think you're a bad person. I just think that a worldview such as that is vastly oversimplified, and as a result would inflict a great deal of unnecessary suffering.

Yes. The real issue here is gun control.

You hear about a school shooting and your immediate response is "oh god, the normtards are coming".

You know, generally, in situations like this, it's considered good form to pay respect to the victims and their grieving families instead of using any variation on "--tards" and bitching about how this will inconvenience your Reddit experience.

I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult.

Because we're becoming the convenient scapegoat to blame this on.

But the only psychological difference between most Incels and these mass murderers is they act on their fantasies whereas Incels just stop at the "I WISH I could skin a prostitute alive but I'm afraid she'd beat me up" stage.

For the 10 billionth time: if you don't want to be lumped in with a group of sociopaths, Step 1 is "stop hanging out with sociopaths".

Woah shit dude, thats a really big jump you've made there. The difference of action is in fact, a huge difference. You're treating it like this small difference that really doesn't matter.

I wish I could skin a prostitute alive.

Don't fucking strawman. I personally report a lot of violent threads and comments, and the mods DO remove it. I don't see anything even remotely like this on THIS sub. Lots of women hating, but beating up women? Raping women? Graphic description of violent acts? No. Fuck off.

Saying "Incels don't advocate rape or harbor disturbing, violent fantasies" is sort of like defending Donald Trump on live TV; you struggle to convince yourself you're telling the truth, but the entire time you're saying it, in the back of your mind you're thinking "oh god, I hope he isn't posting right now".

Here's the big picture problem: The very fact that you have to do regular cleanup on posts made by violent rapists says a lot about the Incel community. And the fact that so many Incels say horrifying, despicable, and cruel things that you can devote a thriving subreddit to the reprehensible things Incels say that gets updated daily pretty much kills any bullshit claim to normality.

Don't get me wrong: There are plenty of otherwise normal, decent people who struggle with depression and sexual isolaton, and they deserve help and deserve to be happy.

They just don't call themselves Incels.

I already told you to fuck off. Generalize the subreddit again and I'm reporting you to get banned.

Hey did you notice that I wrote out a long, thoughtful post that acknowledged the fact that there are good people here, but the amount of violent sociopaths present is a serious issue that needs to be addressed? And then you told me to fuck off because Incels treat any form of criticism as bullying despite the fact that they say things about other people that are much, much worse?

Are you not noticing an imbalance here?

Also, just to be very, very clear: My initial post was addressed to a guy that heard about a school shooting and complained about "normtards" coming in. But you're okay with that?

The incel council has claimed responsibility for the attack and issued the following statement:

You normies have taken everything from us and now it is your land, your blood. We will ensure that every sacrifice is repaid. The violence will not stop until milkies are provided.

Cope. Most incels here dgaf

UPDATE: Alleged shooter at Texas high school spared people he liked, court document says. (Source: CNN).

Clearly, there was bullying/harassment going on.

I figure his parents too were not that great, ignoring all the warning signs.

Owning legal guns. You know, regular parenting mixed with fucked up American gun laws.

Personal responsibility, like not handing your car keys to the porsche to your 12 year old.

Same thing with guns.

How's that working out for you? The fact you equate the utility of a handgun to that of a car is your problem.

Muslims have found out that killing people with cars is even more effective than using guns.

You're so fucking stupid it is unbelievable.

He was bullied by peers and teachers/coaches.

Which is exactly on par for Texas schools.

There were very few coaches I encountered that weren’t utter fucking assholes.

The other school shooter was bullied by people like Hogg and La Goblina, then they turn around and say they're victims.

Yeah. too bad he could lay his hands on a gun. America is almost the only first world nation that hasn't figured it out yet.

Yet a mass murder of 137 people occurred in France, not the USA.

Start counting retard. That made news because it doesn't fucking happen over there. Try counting mass murder victims from this year down there and you 'll find your waaaay above that. You're fucking deluded if you think this shit happens in countries that aren't open war zones anywhere else except the US of A. Wake the fuck up.

Every lowlife infested USA City is a warzone. We freak out when 10 people get killed at a school but in a big city that is called "a slow weekend"

wow. wonder what the problem is. maybe more guns will solve it.

Actually it will. See the problem is the gangbangers don't care about gun laws so they carry guns. The law abiding don't, so when the gang bangers invade their homes, the law abiding have no way to defend themselves.

So how to fix it? Easy, allow law abiding to own guns, then suddenly the gang bangers have a real problem....their victims shoot back.

You're so fucking stupid I am speechless. These school shootings aren't clockers with gats, they are retard millenials that got guns legally or got legal guns from their parents. Having legal guns laying around is where the illegal guns come from. You idiots can't even keep it to one school shooting a day.

Its the internet generation, where they know all this shit they do will be on TV, on twitter, instagram, bookface.

Our kids are now media whores and our parents are too old to understand the new stuff that is driving our kids nuts.

I have no social media accounts and I'm only on reddit to piss people strangers off.

at least you can admit it. admission is the last stage of grief before you move on to a good life. now go away.

These school shootings aren't clockers with gats, they are retard millenials that got guns legally or got legal guns from their parents.

While the comment above yours is ridiculous. The school shooter here is not a millennial. He's the next generation. Pew Research defines millennial as 1981-1996. The broadest category I've seen goes right to 2000 but he's still too young.

The only thing you find objectionable about my statement is the inclusion of this latest shooter into the generation that I used to describe the numerous other mass murderer and I will take that as an implicit agreement that my argument that access to firearms is the main problem and that lax gun control in the US contributes to that. Maybe that is a stretch.

Yes. Lax gun control is the problem. My objection is saying that these shootings are somehow linked to millennials. This isn't a generational thing, it's an America thing. Even the Columbine shooters were too old for the official definition.

Name 3 mass shootings. All of them are white male perps with legal guns. Columbine, Parkland, Isla Vista, Sandy Hook, Vegas, Virginia Tech, Florida. Get your head out of your ass.

va tech was a korean nut job. one of the columbine killers was a jew and we all know jews aren't white..

How the media pretends black mass killings don't happen is when some black dude kills 7 people the media says "7 people lost their lives" and then it is shuffled off.

Then a whiteboy kills 2 and injures 1 and they call it a mass shooting.

Nope. You guys are so fucked it is 4 dead to qualify. Just raise the bar a bit more and your problem will go away.

Law abiding citizens are allowed to own guns...

Not in many big cities up north

That’s the issue here in Australia. The mafia have guns. Us law abiding citizens can’t.

Knife crime in the UK now is crazy. I was looking at the MIRROR this morning and there must have been 4+ knife crime stories.

This is true too in Canada... You are going to jail if you shoot that asshole on your property trying to steal your truck. You can have all the long guns you want though. Just no ARs extended clips bump stocks handguns. You know. Basic common fucking sense gun control.

gangbangers love using their second amendment right, which SHALL NOT BE ABRIDGED, so defying gun laws is their constitutional patriotic right.

please tell me how birmingham is both a warzone and a booming economy people are moving back to.

cant have it both ways, russkie.

I'm Russian? Wow who knew! Bliyat, Cheeki-Breeki!

Gun control

Nvm. door control. There were too many doors in that school. That's why it happened..

WE DO NOT EVER SUPPORT THIS. This guy is a murderer and should fry in the electric chair.

Agreed. If he did it without doubt, why waste taxpayer money on this waste of life?

thegambler snapped?

> Be American

> Get shot

Be American

Shoot

of course its a white guy. whites are natural incel spree killers

I call bullshit on this. Sex, no sex. whatever colour of psycho you are on the psycho rainbow the big difference is American psychos can go buy guns.

Jesus which one of you guys did it? No doubt its was one of you guys who are just mad about being single when you can literally ask someone in your league out.

hes not a fucking incel

This is why I don't support the death penalty/decades in prison for this type of stuff. Nor do I get the mass hysteria exhibited by normies over guns.

The kid was bullied, and he took revenge. Was it right? No. But if you're a kid who gets harassed, assaulted, and emotionally abused (especially when Stacies join in) ON A DAILY BASIS then you're going to have a reaction.

I'm sick of the media calling every shooter/violent criminal a psychopath. Bullying is such a prevalent issue and we ignore it, instead focusing on some stupid gun policy that won't change anything. The teenage male suicide rate is ridiculously high, and what do we tell young men? That they're oppressors. That women's rights matter most. That they should "man up" and stop complaining.

Cope.

Then people bully them worse after the fact out of rage and probably encourage other shooters cause they see that and go "fuck those people"

If Reddit could be shot up it'd be shot up daily with the shit that goes on here.

I bet if we cut women out of our lives this will happen less

why are greeks even allowed in the usa?

Better than Turks

http://abc13.com/what-we-know-about-the-santa-fe-shooting-suspect-/3491593/

"He was quiet, kept to himself, wore a black trenchcoat.....I've seen him bullied a few times, nothing too serious"?

Gee I wonder what's the motive, it's so unclear.

So you are saying incel strikes again?

Don't know if incel, definitely ostracized and bullied like 99% of all school shooters, which is why it's funny to see "motive still unclear" on these articles.

"He continued to get more aggressive," Rodriguez said in an interview conducted Saturday via Facebook. "She finally stood up to him and embarrassed him."

Just be more confident bro! Bullied/humiliated by females. Just your typical story.

4 months of aggressive advances after saying no? You pathetic virgin autists need to be purged with fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyGOYA-U_uc

I am not an incel, but it sucks that the whole group has to post a bunch of defensive shit whenever there is a school shooter now. The issues aren't linked at all - they never have been.

I don't condone or encourage any illegal acts, but I'm sure as fuck not shedding any tears when chad and normie get what they deserve.

I don't condone or encourage any illegal acts

Are we required to feel sad for normies and chad now? Fuck that.

Let's see shot up a school because a girl wouldn't go out with him....im going to say he would fit in nicely here.

2 perps

Definitely not incels

Whatever you say girl! I'm glad this is all working out for you too. :)

So why don't Mexicans call themselves estadounidenses? The name of their country is Estados Unidos Mexicanos.

Start counting retard. That made news because it doesn't fucking happen over there. Try counting mass murder victims from this year down there and you 'll find your waaaay above that. You're fucking deluded if you think this shit happens in countries that aren't open war zones anywhere else except the US of A. Wake the fuck up.

So do we pre-emptively label all normies potential serial killers and dangerous to society now?

Americans don't even know where the fuck belarusian is, so no, you're not American white.

If you don’t push against that 1% and you associate with them, then you condone it.

Then people bully them worse after the fact out of rage and probably encourage other shooters cause they see that and go "fuck those people"

If Reddit could be shot up it'd be shot up daily with the shit that goes on here.

I have plenty of friends, none of them mentally ill mind you.

I never called you a bad person. And I don't think you're a bad person. I just think that a worldview such as that is vastly oversimplified, and as a result would inflict a great deal of unnecessary suffering.

Woah shit dude, thats a really big jump you've made there. The difference of action is in fact, a huge difference. You're treating it like this small difference that really doesn't matter.

I wish I could skin a prostitute alive.

Don't fucking strawman. I personally report a lot of violent threads and comments, and the mods DO remove it. I don't see anything even remotely like this on THIS sub. Lots of women hating, but beating up women? Raping women? Graphic description of violent acts? No. Fuck off.