Damn, you're incel larping as a normie.

Damn, you're lucky to be born white.

6'1" and white means volcel

Literally in the post title moron.

As a guy who’s starting gymceling it does me give me hope

Gym isn’t a cope, facial gains are real. If you are skinny and bulking you can ask me questions too, I have a feeling OP has more experience cutting lmao

There is no gym for you face, brah. It’s cope.

Gym does improve facial aesthetics unless you’re already very lean, also having a good body makes the face appear better. It’s extremely rare to have a face so bad that being completely jacked won’t get you laid. However if you’re also short you may be fucked

Gym does improve facial aesthetics unless you’re already very lean

You don’t need to go to the gym to lose weight, so no, gymming doesn’t improve your facial aesthetics.

also having a good body makes the face appear better

Nope. There a reason the “butterface”-meme exists. People can clearly differentiate between face and body.

It’s extremely rare to have a face so bad that being completely jacked won’t get you laid.

Not really rare unless you mean steriodcelling for years. If you steroidcel for years you will attract some chicks who go crazy about muscular bodies and don’t care about face.

However if you’re also short you may be fucked

Most people in this sub are short and ugly.

Actually that first point I retract, if you’re lean neck gains help too. And by your logic you don’t need the gym for anything because there’s bodyweight fitness. The gym helps. You don’t need to steroid for years to get nice looking. They expedite it but are by no means required. You also need to be exceptionally short for this not to help at all. It’s not just a cope it actually helps. Women find muscles so attractive it’s nutty. Note: This isn’t the normal normie platitudes I KNOW tons of guys here will never be able to get laid, but you’re volcel if you don’t at least try this.

if you’re lean neck gains help too.

I agree that a bigger neck is usually more attractive but you are also more likely to suffer from sleep apnea if you increase your neck size. Sleep apnea results in less gains overall.

Women find muscles so attractive it’s nutty.

This is sad to hear for me because I know it’s true. Women find muscles on good looking guys attractive. It’s a nice bonus but your upper limit is your face.

Note: This isn’t the normal normie platitudes I KNOW tons of guys here will never be able to get laid, but you’re volcel if you don’t at least try this.

I’ve tried for years and I’m still going. I went from around 120lbs at 5’8” to about 170lbs at the peak of my bulk and currently I’m down to a leaner 155lbs. So yea, I can evaluate that there are no facial gains. Lifting can only help tall skinny white guys, those are the real volcels.

Fair enough. At least you know you tried. What are your lifts like after such an insane bulk?

AlsoInb4 have you considered trying harder???

I'm still pretty weak because I started skinny and I'm a framecel. I also never really focused on building strength as I do more of a bodybuilding style training. Here's my transformation. In the left picture I was already lifting for 6 months, so I was even worse than that before. The right picture is from October last year and in pretty bad lighting. I've gotten bigger and leaner since then. I'm not saying that I have the most impressive physique but my body is certainly not holding me back.

That’s decent lifts for a bodybuilder routine. What sucks too is that even amongst guys your lifts are devalued because of the lower ROM needed for smaller people. How old are you?

Early 20s, bro.

Rip, you’re about done maturing. Good name though there’s always hope, there’s always a chance

Yea, I hope to get lucky somehow but I'm really not expecting it. For some of us it just isn't meant to be.

Feels like a larp. 300 pound dudes rarely if ever improve to this extent. it's like 1 in a million.

Need your height/race before we call you Chad

Chad potential all right. You sound like my best friend, through High school he was a chubby nerd that got picked on. Before summer he went hard in the gym and came back a new person, senior year he went from a virgin to balls deep into 6+ sophomores. I was blackpilled long before I found this sub just by being his friend. I am short, ugly, and Indian and he us 6ft, white, blue eyes, and seeing the way girls treat him then the way they treat me, even when I'm right next to him, was brutal. He's even more socially awkward than I am but girls are just so aggressive with him. It's suicide fuel and it's only gotten worse since we went to college.

He's a good friend and he's tried but women are disgusted by my curry skin and my shiteyes.

MAJOR BLACKPILL NORMIES BTFO

tfw you have always stayed in shape and are never talked to or looked at

Not OP but similar: 6'2", Indian. Although I do have a lotta facial fat to lose. Advice?

5'10", kind of olive.

y'all

10/10 read the entire thing

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Now just imagine you don't have to lose that much weight to be treated better,because you are already 180,you've been skinny before and still treated ugly.

I've always been the right weight and in-shape and people never treated me like that. I'm a woman. Men live life on easy mode literally. All he had to do was be not fat.

Better to be a top male than a female, but you're not even a top male, you have lose skin (no offense) and I doubt you're like acing your university, yet you get more respect than women.

Not a rough going, but like what you described. People not approaching me and not taking an initial liking to me. I was never approached by men during high school / college / med school. The kicker though is that I was never approached by women to be friends either. I always had to seek out friends and force my way in by offering favors and keeping myself relevant.

Being fit doesn't make you pretty. I swam and played rugby competitively, then did ultimate frisbee and amateur triathlon. I still had an ogre face and body with an awful amount of freckles.

It's all ogre now.

The ceiling is lower for women and the floor is lower for men

Yup. Lookism is well established among those who are actually ugly.

It is the average-looking normies who tell us that it is all in our heads.

Social habilities, There's the solution to everyones problems

lol if anyone believed this shit

I doubt you’re Chad. You just feel like Chad because you’re not an elephant anymore. Good for you tho

Hmmmm were they good looking girls and would you mind sharing a pic of yourself

Just show us your jaw and well decide :))

Photos or shut the fuck up. When I read bodybuilding forum there's always guys bragging "she's a 6/10" and then when he posts the photo of her she's actually a 2/10 `~ LOL

even if they're ugly, it's still an interesting story/life change.

just censor your eye area and show the rest. surely you have a strong jaw if chad.

Dude, you can send you pics to me and I'll tell the community an accurate rating of you.

You can expect 100% confidentiality with me.

had a similar experience after getting my shit together. People react very different to you when you are not an ugly fuck. But also... it seems to me most people react positively to attractive people because it looks as if they worry about themselves. I have to admit I do it too, after all this time not being an ugly fuck I do get exasperated or am simply not interested in talking to someone that looks like a sad sack.

yeah, same here. I do feel like some women resort to act like total bitches as a defense mechanism. My own country right now is going through a phase similar to #metoo, but focused in higher education and fucking professors acting like complete perverts. I don't know, truth is, we don't know how women feel or why they act like they act. I just know people react to their enviroment, that's all they can do, so I'm guessing their view of things is very different than ours. Like, this guys paint women like privileged assholes, but my own sister told me about her experiences in the street, being followed by creepy old men yelling stuff since she was 12 years old... Is that privilege? is that the attention they should be oh so thankful for?

Hey, Rotciv_IRL, just a quick heads-up:
enviroment is actually spelled environment. You can remember it by n before the m.
Have a nice day!

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Send selfie please need to jerk off

pic of before and after plz

Bro don't show your face its a horrible idea, why do you feel the need to prove yourself to them. Congrats on your weight loss and joining the rest of us normiedom. As to the way you look and carrying yourself being per se immutable you prove that that is not the case.

u would have posted a pic for maximal humble brag if u were actually goodlooking

instead ur a depressed loser larping on this shitty subreddit

Its over, done, ur finished, terminado

who cares about ur abdomen i have a six pack too

CHAD does not hesitate to show his face

chad is not familiar with fear or anxiety as his face has always comforted him

chad's life cannot be fucked up as he will always have his looks

idk what ur talking about but chad wouldnt know what a liberal is if he facefucked one [which he has]

politics do not concern chad, chad does as he pleases

ok?

changing the subject will not make me believe u larper

"Hey guys, Chad here"

lmao pics or gtfo, anyone can say they're Chad on the internet

But thanks for confirming the blackpill to us, we already knew

Moids live life on easy mode. Depressed fat guy loses weight and goes to university on the late, has world at his feet and everyone listening to him.

Apex fallacy. Nice try though.

As someone who went back and forth between a little overweight and obese many times (5'8", 180-220 pounds range) I can confirm this. People were always a lot nicer to me when I was close to my ideal weight and I got smiles from random girls once in a while. It's not that surprising though.

If you're tall, proportionally fat with a good face you can still do decent and have attraction. However if under average height and skinny fat you'll be pretty much treated like garbage.

Losing weight, especially if you go from fatcel to chad, is the most black pilled experience.

looked and felt like shrek

Shoulda stayed 300 pounds and tried Shrek Game

Sounds like you were just a FatCel. Your advice or story isn't applicable to other guys. There's guys taller than you, more educated than you, more fit than you and they aren't getting anything (or only the bottom 20% of women) because of FaceCel.

Que “hey guys, im what you call a chad now...”

Buddy, you are not even close to a fucking Chad. You're some dude with stretch marks over his stomach making this post to live out a fantasy.

This is nothing. I get stares requests numbers etc only thing that matters if JB's actually want to suck ure dick

normies runnin' and hidin'

normies got no comeback, normies got nothin'

Pics

Congrats but still I envy your genetics.

You're probably not a Chad. Chads don't know what Reddit is and they've been attractive their whole lives. Volcels can become chad-lite at best

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