How tall?

5'5" got it

Why exactly do you think you’re a generic waste? If you’ve gotten a woman, she’s been attracted to you and she’s loved you. The fact that she has left you is not your fault, it’s all on her. The fact that you’ve had someone love you clearly demonstrates that you have a good personality and you’re attractive. I know, it’s rough and it fucking sucks getting your heart broken. What she did to you was cruel and hurtful and I’m sorry that it happened to you. But she isn’t the be-all-and-end-all. Just because she let you go and didn’t want to continue things, who’s to say that you’re genetic waste? That’s on her, not on you. We all get our hearts broken and first loves almost never work out. We just have to learn from our mistakes, pick better partners and try to learn lessons from every heart break to improve ourselves and push us towards the goal of finding the person we end up spending the rest of our lives with. I know this probably isn’t what you want to hear, but I understand, it’s beyond hard. You need to stop putting yourself down though, you’re not a genetic waste. Someone had clearly seen something in you and I’m sure that another girl will see it again.

Well I mean, she didn’t just sleep with you because she thought you dress nicely.. she thought you were attractive

at least im 5'11"

not manlet in my country but in euro average height is 6'2"

its over boyo

No its 5 11 lol

5 11 is 5 7 in femoids brain

What is 5 7 then

5'7" is my brother's height, it didn't stop him from having girlfriends

What about you

5'5", but I'm not a man

Just because ur 5'5"?

Just because what?

Ur saying youre not a man bc ur 5 5

That's not what I was saying. I thought you asked me if I got girlfriends too

Is that why u font get girlfriends?

Well, I'm not interested in women, so there's that.

But nope, height doesn't matter to me, seriously.

You literally said "im not a man"

Just lol at people who say being 5'7" isn't a death sentence. I'm incel basically because I'm 5'7".

HEIGHT = EVERYTHING
IT = OVER

death sentence

Aren't you being a bit dramatic?

teehee

If he was close to 6 ft, there is a disturbing chance that his entire life, especially with regards to romance and sex with women, would be drastically better.

Women in our culture value height to a degree that is practically anti-human. Being a short man in 2018 is a weight for his soul, primarily and perhaps exclusively because of how women will treat him and value him due to his height.

Women in our culture value height to a degree that is practically anti-human.

I don't, and I'm a woman. Am I an alien?

Most of the guys I had crushes on where about my height, or slighty smaller.

You are one woman. You do not represent all women, nor do you nullify, at all, the statistically evident and blatantly observable romantic discrimination and sexual ostracism overwhelmingly most women impose on short men.

The fact that you think that your anecdotal experience, which may likely be a lie, could prove absolutely anything meaningful or substantial is proof that you are not worthy of , nor interested in, true discourse with the pursuit of truth as the primary objective. I do not mean this as an insult.

You are merely looking for emotional satisfaction, to feel better about having read the experiences of men that counter or perhaps invalidate the security you derive from your worldview, one that likely and incorrectly views women as significantly less shallow than they apparently are. Again: your honest and ignorant belief that your incredibly limited anecdotal experience with regards to a completely obvious reality could mean anything literally proves this.

I'm blocking you. I doubt your capacity for reason and logic to a degree that renders me sincerely unable to appreciate your opinion. Have a nice day.

The fact that you think your anecdotal experience, which may likely be a lie

Nope, but if you think so, so be it.

I didn't say that I represented all women, and you may be correct that my worldview is limited (I have no girls friends, and girl talk and gossip irk me). But I can't believe I'm in such a minority that doesn't judge a man by his height.

And I'm in no way looking for satisfaction, but when I hear all day here that women are the spawn of the demon, I'm a little iffy about it.

Then block me, if that's what you want. Nice day to you too.

(and sorry about my grammar, I'm not a native English speaker)

You're actually pretty tall for really short girls.

AAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAOHOHOHOHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Excuse me.

Short girls are the ones that want the 6ft dude the most.

Wait, so...this must mean I AM actually a special snowflake. Cool.

Nah ur just fat.

Nope, sorry to disappoint.

are u male or what

I'm a short female and I have a short husband, so I guess that pretty much makes me a unicorn.

Nah, Like i suspected, ur either fat (in your mind "plus" size) or just ugly just like ur partner.

have a good one.

Look at me, disappointing all over the place. I'm thin and, hard as it is to rate myself, decently attractive.

That's my point- there do exist women who like short guys just fine, and who also are reasonably attractive. What I don't understand is why you guys don't want to believe it. I mean, isn't that a good thing for guys who aren't feeling good about their romantic prospects because of their height? I don't get the cognitive dissonance.

Excellent analysis. I don't want to put a damper on what you had with this girl but I'm not convinced that women feel love the way you described it. I would like to hear the story of what happened with this girl.

I know how rough it is to have those feelings then have it all fall apart. But just think, some guys here have never even had that. Also some guys don't even get love from family which can make it even worse when they get a taste from a girl only to have it go away on a whim.

I get it with the ignorance is bliss thing. Personally, I don't want to be ignorant anymore even if that means I have to take the blackest of black pills. Sorry it ended for you bro. It sounds like for a short time you found legit happiness in life.

I get it with the ignorance is bliss thing. Personally, I don't want to be ignorant anymore even if that means I have to take the blackest of black pills. Sorry it ended for you bro.

Yes, we do. It’s the exact same feeling. Someone to take care of and someone to take care of us. A feeling of safety as well as pure joy and a spring in our step. Like platonic love but infinitely better and stronger. However, I’d argue that while romantic love is a very beautiful and powerful thing, it shouldn’t be so greatly prioritised. Love from family and friends is just as important in forming a person. While romantic love is absolutely exhilarating, a lot of people ultimately place too much emphasis on it in an unhealthy way. Romantic love has given me some of the happiest moments in my life, it’s also given me some of the lowest lows and I’ve had my heart beyond broken.

I agree with most of what you said. I'll be more specific about women and love. I think TRP ideas of love are mostly right. Men love women for who they are. Women love men for what they can do for them. I don't even have too much of a problem with that tho. I don't go looking for love. Last time it happened to me was completely unexpected and I got broken to the point of suicide. I think what men feel as love is more intense. I honestly don't think women can understand it.

What exactly has led you towards believing this, if you don’t mind me asking? Anyways, to that, I’d argue that love for both sexes is a combination of loving a person for what they are and what they can do for you. Ultimately, don’t we love people for how they make us feel, the affection that they give us and what they bring to us as people? But as well as this, we come to love little quirks, admirable traits and aspects of personality that don’t really do anything for us. Even the most unselfish love is still tinted by loving what the other person can offer us, how they make us feel, etc. I’d argue that loving someone for what they can do for you is less of a female characteristic of romantic love, but more so just a human approach to love. I think selfishness is just an intrinsic aspect of human nature. Furthermore, I think that love (well, true love.. not obsession or using someone) is always both selfish and unselfish. It can be easy to have your heart broken and make blanket judgements based on your experiences, but ultimately, it’s not the truth.

But yeah man, I’m sorry for your heartbreak. Similar has definitely happened to me. I wish you the best in the future and hope that a great woman comes along and takes care of you and makes you realise that female love can be unselfish.

What has led me to believe it? Personal observations and listening to others talk about what they've gone through. Men will love women for years and years even after the woman has moved on completely. I don't know of women who do that.

You're right tho, it's always a give and take or symbiotic relationship. But I think the love of a man is more about the woman as the person she is, whereas the the love of a woman is more about what the man can provide for her, how he can protect her, etc. I'm generalizing but I think this is true a lot. Women are sort of all over the place with their emotions but men are more locked in on one woman. Women can move on quickly, jump to another guy but men don't do it as easily.

I don't want a woman to take care of me. I know that's a situation in which I lose. I want to be the one to take care of her. I still want the one who broke me so severely too.

Do you have any female friends?

ya i've had a lot in my life.

For me the difference is not so much the quality of the emotion but how people’s behaviour is shaped by it. Generally it seems men act on their love by sacrificing themselves for the loved ones benefit while women typically don’t. Men will work themselves into an early grave to help their loved ones. They will literally sacrifice their lives to protect those they love. As far as I know there are no documented instances of women doing likewise.

You can’t love and appreciate something that you take for granted.

Take for granted? How do you mean?

The same way I take food on my table for granted. An starving African kid is able to appreciate food but someone who has an overflow of diverse food won’t appreciate the food.

Which is why developed countries have zero culinary enthusiasts but the food critic scene in Ethiopia is booming. 😂 WTF.

Feeling wanted by the opposite sex is a need. Reproduction is a biological imperative.

If incels are not entitled to female attention because "the world isn't fair" then women aren't entitled to anything either. You're not entitled to incels calling the police if they see a woman being raped, because the world isn't fair. Deal with it.

So, by extension, if a gay man raped you, you shouldn’t be entitled to call the police because he’s just fulfilling his need for sex?

Sigh. Homosexuals and straight people are not sexually compatible. Are you saying that women are innately shallow and only enjoy having sex with goodlooking men?

I also never mentioned sex. I mentioned feeling wanted by the opposite sex, specifically long-term relationships. I seriously doubt that any homosexuals want to get into long-term relationships with straight people.

Romantic love has given me some of the happiest moments in my life

while romantic love is a very beautiful thing, it shouldn't be so greatly prioritized

Spoken like true female. Never having to struggle to get into a relationship so she preaches to others "they aren't that important teehee".

Begone troll!

a lot of people ultimately place too much emphasis on it in an unhealthy way

Easy to say when you've had a lot in your life. Americans have too much access to food and need to keep themselves away from it! That doesn't make food any less important for a starving African. Its importance is relative to your position.

Incels were often deprived of both romantic and platonic love (bullying, no friends, social isolation). Studies show that level of social isolation fosters depression and actually makes you physiologically sicker, more prone to illnesses, killing you sooner. Everyone needs some love and affection.

Incels are on the end of extreme deprivation. They obsess over it because they've never ever experienced it and faced years of bullying and ostracizing. It's very different from a romance-junkie who spends an unhealthy amount of time and energy on dating and needs to deprioritize it (comparable to the obese person who eats too much).

I’ve been with women and had my heart broken, and I’ve also been with men and had my heart broken. It’s not something exclusive to being a female, we are all capable of hurting people and we all do hurt people romantically.

It's not exclusive to women. But it's exclusive to people who are capable of being chosen by members of the desired sex. As far as incels are concerned, it's exclusive to women and Chad. They've never been loved or had anyone show interest.

I dont think its possible for a woman to love a man selflessly.

Most women have an extensive support network around them to make them feel accepted just as OP wrote. As men, you are just supposed to toughen up to a point where you don't give a damn about anything anymore.

Yes, you’re definitely right. Men should have extensive support networks too, it’s not something just females require, but humans in general. The idea that many men don’t have people who they can talk about their feelings with and who make them feel accepted is an absolutely depressing thought. It’s something that we as a society need to try harder to do and be better with.

Because they are hateful and ignorant

although i don't really agree with that end bit about incels being "pushed" to be misogynistic and all that shit (not here for an argument, i respect ur perspective, i'm just sayin),

i do have to say mate that was an extremely beautiful message "everybody needs love". you couldn't be more right, that's what being human is all about, love.

i truly wish u all the best in ur future and good health.

God I hate oblivious genetically gifted people like you.

inb4 "hate is bad, dis is y ur incel"

IT does understand this, they just don't care. They are the haves mocking the have-nots. It isn't just, but it's how it is. The rich hate the poor, the strong hate the weak, the intelligent hate the dull, the beautiful hate the ugly. It's the natural order. They can't rationalise it morally and they don't need to.

Fuck this society, I hope this entire civilization burns to the ground and all chads starve

Oh it will, in due course. We can only hope we are fortunate enough to bear witness.

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IT aren’t the “haves”, they are just people pretending that they have.

well, yes, that's mostly correct. the psychology is remains the same, however, even if it is affected.

It was the beautiful and happy people who were always the nicest to me in life. The bullies were much less attractive and often not happy.

I've never felt as alive and happy as when I had my hands on a Stacy's ass. The feeling of successfully scoring something so beautiful and highly valued was worth more than all the riches in the world.

how you manage that?

Looksmaxxing.

You still with her or?

Life isnt worth living

Why are you posting about it. You could have just killed yourself instead.

Only a fraction of men are supposed to be reproducing. This whole "one for one" arrangement that's been enforced on society for the past thousand or more years is unnatural and made our gene pool uglier and shittier than it should be. This should fix itself in a few generations.

Just look at Curryland.

You're advocating for a return to pre agriculture/industrial times. You can't just tell three-quarters of the male population to just go away and die and expect them to want to prop up your civilization. NEET video game addicts, Indian rape gangs, and ISIS are just a preview of what the world will be like if we don't get the femoids under control again.

As more of our economy becomes automated there will be less demand for workers so ideally we all become NEET videogame addicts collecting UBI checks or some other assistance to support our meager existence

Im actually down for that, been looking at quitting my 70k job and getting an easy part time uber gig, and scraping a little bit of savings each month. Whats the point of a 40 hr white collar job, it doesnt make me any happier.

We need to be a chill based economy

This should fix itself in a few generations.

We exist for thousands and thousands of years, natural selection ain't gonna do shit. Evolution is a fucking joke.

Would you still love her if u hadn't fucked

IT people secretly know we're right. Why spend time obsessing over people you think are delusional losers? There's plenty of subreddits dedicated to non-mainstream opinions that don't have multiple stalker groups tattling on them.

Love doesn't exist outside of blood bro.

Stfu dude pls

If love and companionship are as unimportant as IncelTears likes to tell everyone, then why the fuck is almost every TV show, movie, and song about love?

I hear what you're saying. My only critique would be the idea the news and whatnot is pushing incels to violence. Incels made the news by being violent, not the other way around.

Your associating yourself with people who make fun of the way women's vaginas are, slut shame women, cannot seem to understand consent vs abuse, basically promoting "roping" (lets not act all of it is a joke) calling women femoids, roasties. Calling men normies and norm-cucks. You choose to associate with people who are professional victims and your surprised when people don't like it and call it out?

He's angry that IT fags say things like YOU DON'T NEED LOVE DUE DUR when its clearly not true

It gets even better once you realize that: 1. the chances of you finding the right girl the first time are very small, you have to experiment 2. your social skills probably are still low, this is just a learning experience

Let me tell you: It's curing, refreshing, and makes you feel energetic as if you're 8.

Talk about ruining my day...

you can probably guess how it advanced.

“I’m just not happy”?

Reminds me of middle schools specifically 8th grade. I got girls back then and fuck I was so happy lol. Then I allowed myself to go to shit. Switched districts and I just well stopped caring. Lost all my good friends and damn it was hard readjusting.

IT doesn't realize that love is necessary for a healthy life.

Too many feels reading dis

Yes, we do. It’s the exact same feeling. Someone to take care of and someone to take care of us. A feeling of safety as well as pure joy and a spring in our step. Like platonic love but infinitely better and stronger. However, I’d argue that while romantic love is a very beautiful and powerful thing, it shouldn’t be so greatly prioritised. Love from family and friends is just as important in forming a person. While romantic love is absolutely exhilarating, a lot of people ultimately place too much emphasis on it in an unhealthy way. Romantic love has given me some of the happiest moments in my life, it’s also given me some of the lowest lows and I’ve had my heart beyond broken.

I dont think its possible for a woman to love a man selflessly.

Women in our culture value height to a degree that is practically anti-human.

I don't, and I'm a woman. Am I an alien?

Most of the guys I had crushes on where about my height, or slighty smaller.

Nah ur just fat.

Nah, Like i suspected, ur either fat (in your mind "plus" size) or just ugly just like ur partner.

have a good one.

Look at me, disappointing all over the place. I'm thin and, hard as it is to rate myself, decently attractive.

That's my point- there do exist women who like short guys just fine, and who also are reasonably attractive. What I don't understand is why you guys don't want to believe it. I mean, isn't that a good thing for guys who aren't feeling good about their romantic prospects because of their height? I don't get the cognitive dissonance.

Most women have an extensive support network around them to make them feel accepted just as OP wrote. As men, you are just supposed to toughen up to a point where you don't give a damn about anything anymore.