High IQ

this is Stephen Hawking Level IQ post

If you've ever seen a girl use tinder you will notice how quickly they swipe left for below average guys. It happens so quickly that it's barely even a conscious decision and I don't think they really comprehend it.

Case in point

The West has a problem.

I have a solution..

Hopefully, this time, it's the final one we need.

white sharia now!

i don't know if this comment will get downvoted or not...

it's absolutely true, girls do swipe left a lot and they tend to be very picky, but that is also because they have the privilege of guys constantly swiping right on girls because they don't get enough matches and therefore guys don't have the ability to pick and choose. it's this weird vicious cycle of left and right swiping.

and yes guys swiping right often applies to "chads" too some of my guy friends who are pretty decent in their looks even have trouble.

so this whole situation can't really be blamed more on one party than another. girls swipe left because they have a higher chance of someone liking their profile more and are therefore able to be picky, and guys swipe right more because they have a lower chance due to girls left swiping their profiles so they do that in order to get more matches.

sorry i know that might be a bit confusing, but that's the conclusion i came to when i talked to my guy friends about it

What you’re saying is true, just please stop saying personality matters, when clearly it doesn’t. I know you didn’t specifically say it in your comment, but lots of women do, and you might even do it sometimes.

as a general human personality should matter in certain situations, like sustaining a healthy relationship or friendship, however i agree with the notion that many are drawn to more attractive people at first sight because it is a biological instinct to be drawn to potential mates, like in birds where they dance to attract mates but i doubt that birds make compromises when they get married or have children lol so that's where the personality comes into play. many women will come for the looks, but stay for the personality.

i think that's a pretty reasonable statement

many women will come for the looks, but stay for the personality.

That is probably true, but it means that women will only go for personalities of men they feel attracted to physically in the first place. Which basically means that if you’re ugly, your personality doesn’t matter with regards to attracting women.

yeah that's my point. im saying its just simple biology. im not saying they are right or wrong, i just wanted to point out that being physically attracted to someone is a huge part of mating. even if a woman isnt physically attracted to man at first, she is still capable of being freinds/ colleagues with him and perhaps something coming out of that relationship. for a number of women, you feel more attracted to a man as you get to know him better its true I can say i have experienced this now!

I have a hard time imagining that.

When you are using a totally visual way for people to meet up then you can't complain that people are using visual cues.

If you hate Tinder so much then don't use it.

What I said isn’t restricted to tinder.

Ugly people got laid last night. Ugly people got into relationships last night.

Hell, if everyone on this sub got a date tomorrow would they have a clue as to what to do. If everyone got their shot, would they do with it?

An ugly 35 year old guy with a steady job got into a relationship last night with a 29 year old woman who is finally ready to settle down. Anyone can do it.

Checkmate incels

You didn't my question.

If every single dude on this sub got a date would they have a clue as to what to do?

Who am I to know, some would, some wouldn’t. If you’re ugly it doesn’t matter what you do anyways.

Are you asking a sub mainly populated by subhumans who have never been in a relationship if they would knock it out of the park on their first try? Leave these fuckers alone. course' the time they get a (this) hypothetical date they wouldn't know what to do, it's probably their first fucking time going on a date or their first real attempt at intimacy. The fact that it needs to be explained is funny as fuck.

Then they can't really complain at the lack of dates if they couldn't handle if they did get a date. The lack of dates isn't really the problem. The lack of knowing what to do on a date is.

That's actually a question instead of a thinly veiled insult?

yes it is.

Yes, nothing is guaranteed.

Do you want to be the person who is working at things and trying to improve or do you want to do nothing and then bitch on the internet.

That is kind of your options. one of those paths has worked in the past for thousands of men and can work again. One of those paths is a dead end and will harm your chances of getting what you desire so much.

Dark haircels btfo. And they tried to tell me blond wasn't as attractive, yet they immediately wanted him.

The West needs Islam. Only then can you regain your dignity and assert yourselves in your homes.

Sharia is your friend akhis

Makes sense

there was a study that showed they say they value personality over looks, but their actions say the opposite

That study is called life. That's why 95% of women have beta male orbiters they can vent about their shitty boyfriend to, receive gifts and food for it, and then receive the sex they crave from said boyfriend after venting.

no it's called black pill

Black pill, life, same thing. Blue pill is shutting oneself off from life to live in a world of make-believe. Red pill is living in that world of make-believe, and realizing without fully understanding that something is wrong.

Women are trash.

Were are normies now?

not a single on to be seen lol. i will probably post that post again since it didnt get much upvotes, i would want more people to see it

Oh shit I think that's me.

TBH yeah that seems like kind of a no-shit conclusion, I wouldn't have guessed much different.

I mean when they talked about the study they used speed dating to gage personality. That's a pretty shit metric right there, at least if you're going to use that to made sweeping statements. I don't know shit about someone if I'm at a fucking speed dating service, and I can guarantee that the chick across from me won't either. Saying the idea that women heavily way personality into sexual attraction compared to men is discredited by the fact that women care more about physical attraction then personality after a 10 minute conversation isn't some wicked crazy revelation. It's kind of common sense. Physical attraction is pretty much something that you get an idea of the moment you lay eyes on someone. While you're going to get an idea of someone's personality during initial conversations it's not really something you're going to get a real good grip on in a superficial, short interaction.

How can women be attracted to your personality when you are automatically seen as inferior because of your looks?

How can women be attracted to your personality when you are automatically seen as inferior because of your looks?

When it comes to mate selection I would say that, depending on the degree of each, yes.

Just as an example, a woman may think your personality is a 9/10 but your looks are a 3/10. Maybe she really likes guys with personality and rates you a 8/10, or maybe she doesn't care so much about personality and rates you a 4 or 5 out of 10. It's going to vary from person to person, but the general trend is going to be that your personality has more potention to offset your appearance as a man attracting a woman than vice versa. This is one massive advantage men have in mate selection, you have two factors that play into attraction to very large degrees (personality and looks) and while both are plastic and can change, personality is extremely plastic and developing the personality aspects considered attractive is possible for everyone (sans people with certain mental health issues).

Women don't have this advantage, and most of what men find sexually attractive in women is aesthetic. While aesthetic is plastic and can be altered through diet, dress, and appearance there are set limits on what can be achieved without cosmetic surgery. That means that if you're a woman lucky enough to be born attractive than you will be able to find high success in mate selection, but if you are unlucky and born ugly it will be much harder. However, even for those unlucky women they do have one more advantage in the fact that many men will have sex with women who are generally considered to be less attractive, which is probably why (according to all the research I've done into the subject) the gini coefficient of sexual partner distribution has women sharing a more equal distribution of sexual partners. However, that even that has its disadvantages because I'd say most sexually successful guys have two different bars for sexual partners, one for "I'll have sex with you" and one for "I'll have a relationship with you" so even if there is a more equal distribution of sexual partners among women I suspect that the women who are less attractive may have an easier time of getting an attractive sexual partner for a hookup than they will keeping a sexually attractive partner long term.

And once again I suspect that guys have a reversal in that regard, as hookups are going to be extremely superficial I suspect that guys with attractive personalities and unattractive appearances won't have their personalities help them much in getting hookups (it will help, don't get me wrong), but I would suspect it helps them find attractive partners in longterm relationships and keeps those partners sexually satisfied.

On the whole, I think that both sides have different sexual advantages and disadvantages in mate selection for both hookups and longterm relationships, which is one of the key issues I take with this subs viewpoints, even throwing aside the obvious sexism that runs rampant. You guys seem to disregard any advantages that men have because of the obvious advantages women have, and vice versa for disadvantages.

Although if it makes you feel any better I'm more interesting in trying to tell you guys why you're wrong from my perspective and explain why many of the viewpoints you take are wrong from a factual and/or moral basis than shit all over you for your lack of success and the fact you guys tend to hold some extremely immoral views. Some of you guys here are genuinely horrible people, but that doesn't change the fact that /r/inceltears is just a place to circlejerk and virtue signal all while denying the inch of truth you all have (even though it seems like you make took that inch of truth to make a mile of bullshit).

The profile of the highly desirable traits contained three qualities: respectful, trustworthy and honest. The traits for desireable were friendly, dependable and mature, while the moderately desirable traits described the man as having a pleasing disposition and being ambitious and intelligent.

They fucked up the study. These traits are ordered wrong.

it could be why they think most of us here are average mentalcels.

Damn. Thats thought provoking as fuck.

Yes, but you forgot the part where the personality they are looking for is opposite the one they say they want.

Of those 20 guys who actually count as "men" to them, they are only interested in the guy who ACTS like a big meanie on the outside by bullying nerds and torturing animals, but is really a good guy deep down, tee hee.

This is legit a super high IQ post.

Even among the top 20% of men (e.g., Chads), she doesn't gauge personality the way she claims she gauges personality. She doesn't want a nice, sensitive, sweet, caring Chad. She wants a ruthless, brutalizing and sociopathic Chad.

But evolutionary, wouldn't a woman want someone to be supportive and stable? How would it make sense to choose a hyper aggressive dickhole, over a genuinely sweet and caring person?

So he can beat up other Chad's and protect the tribe. Also cuz women like getting abused and mogged by Chad's to the highest extent possible

Usually when women get into abusive relationships it's because the man comes off as highly charismatic. Not rude and abusive. They get manipulated thought the relationship and sometimes threatened when trying to get out of it. I know this also happens to men (especially with low self esteem). If I ever felt unsafe or unwanted/mistreated in a relationship I would immediately leave. I would never get into bed with someone who seemed rude and assholish. Those are the people who feel the most entitled and are more dangerous.

They get into abusive relationships because he's good looking. It has nothing to do with "charisma."

I never said hotness didn't contribute to charisma. I'm not saying looks don't matter, they do. But think about con men and serial killers, they come off really convincing and fun to be around, then once your in they show their true colors.

stop having a narrow vision please i hate that of a lot incels

you go trough life like savages blaming all in just one or two things ignoring all context

is like

money?,personal experiences?,personal liking?,enviroment?,education?,cultural beaty tendences?

nah is just ''hyper specific trait'' and only if you have it you can have sex

Hey, armentho, just a quick heads-up:
enviroment is actually spelled environment. You can remember it by n before the m.
Have a nice day!

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Maybe in places near the equator like Africa, but the cold shaped the modern family in Europe and Asia. Chad's couldn't fuck every woman back then. He had to work for survival, if he had multiple bitches and children with them, he'd have to play favorites which would result in the others dying, or if he distributed equally, they'd all die.

Currently this has changed. Chad can sleep with women all he wants due to free Instagram money, the female's money, and his rich parents money

It's even worse: they want both. Foids didn't evolve for monogamy, their small brains want them to get knocked up by the aggressive alpha Chad and then use the sensitive, caring Chad-lite as a provider/protector.

I think a few amount of women are actually like that :/ . Most women are just fine with being someone who is compatible with them and have a healthy relationship. I can't imagine asking my friends what do they look for in a future husband and them replying " super hot, super rich, aggressive, abusive." most of those qualities are just not realistic and no one likes getting beat unless they are super masochistic. Most happy couples I know of are just average looking people. People with flaws. They don't have some subconscious agenda to bone Chad and settle with betabux. Most females want "real love" in their life. I couldn't imagine spending everyday with someone I didn't really give a fuck about.

Most females want "real love" in their life. I couldn't imagine spending everyday with someone I didn't really give a fuck about.

This will quickly change when you start getting a lil older though. You'll realise time is running out but your motherly instincts start kicking in strong. So you'll have to settle for balding betabux, unless you're like a 8-9+ yourself and can get the commitment from Chad

No, I'm with a pretty average guy, even below average if you factor in him being overweight. I love him and I just want to make his days happier. I've had more attractive guys try to hook up with me and I've turned them down because I have 0 desire to do so. I don't feel like I'm settling. Look, the Blackpill is real in few cases. And it's depressing but it's the truth. Some people are just so unattractive that it is basically impossible for them to get a partner. But a lot of people have self esteem issues that make them feel worse than they really are. Just because a guy isn't a "chad" doesn't mean he's worth nothing. When you fall in love with someone, their face becomes an emotional comfort. This is why "chads", or any guy tempts me. I genuinely feel happiness when I see his face. I think there's hope for a lot of incels here. Some few, probably not, and I am so sorry for how life can deal such shitty cards to people in life.

Calling your bf below average? Constantly blabbering about how men more attractive than your bf hits on you? Being a shitty cunt in general? Just lol tbh you nasty ass hoe, GTFO

1. I'm saying based on the overall scale he probably places below. I find him attractive. 2. I mentioned it once. And it was an important point to make. And 3. How does being loyal and loving to another person make me a "nasty ass hoe"

No, because we evolved as hunter gatherers and a chad that can take down a mammoth singlehandedly using an extremely intelligent and brutal tactic like chasing it off a cliff is way more useful than some kind berrypicker who likes to pick flowers with his berries.

With how drastically our world has exponentially changed people aren't just slaves to evolution. It's ridiculous to believe so. Most people don't need to worry about survival. We live a life we seek to enjoy. And a part of this is by surrounding yourself with enjoyable people. We aren't as simple minded as animals. I don't understand how you can be so dense to this.

So you think men choose to pursue women for the fun of it rather than because they are forced to by their unconscious mind?

Yes, because being loved and given attention is a feeling with feel consciously

Well said

Personality is something you can see.

Inceltears nowhere to be seen, they can’t fight this logic.

They've given up at this point.

We have given up on you because you're unsavable at this point.

Once you stopped seeing women as a fellow human and began creating ideas in your head that you took as facts it was over. We could show you bullet proof facts and you'll spin an idea in your head to "disprove" it, but all you've done is crated some outlandish idea in your head. (Seriously, what's with the obsession over women getting 10 cocks a night? That's just unrealistic even for a hooker. You'd be so tired, sore af even.))

I never see women acting like this ever. I know a shitload of >5/10 guys with 7 or 8/10 chicks and 99% of the time it's because they don't spend all day online complaining "woe is me, tinder girl #300 just ignored me" and instead they're out having common interest hobbies.

I've looked through /r/incels before to try and at least see your point, understand your pain from an outside perspective, and even tried to listen to an incel at work cry his heart out.

You know what I saw? 9/10 it's just some average looking guy just horny as hell with this idea in his head that there should be a line of women at his door with their pants down.

I actually tried reading hundreds of incel pages and only commented a couple of times. (This is my biggest post on this topic.) All I see is made up "facts" to suit your needs and NOTHING with an actual source. (No, another incel's opinion and "field test" is not a valid source.)

I was a decent looking chick in highschool, only ever had close guy friends try to hit on me. None of them were "chads", none were ugly imo. One went batshit crazy that I wouldn't date him because I already started developing feelings for the guy who had my same 2 hobbies. He started that incel type rant about me and guess what... He was ugly in seconds after telling me that I was just a whore.

A was a whore because I wouldn't give him my virginity, like my hymen was his personal property. Like I belonged to him by destiny and I had no say in the matter. He threatened to kill himself if he didn't get to have sex with me. I was 14 and a virgin, how was I supposed to handle that being thrown in my face? Bend over with my legs apart? I fucking ran because that shit was scary and manipulative. I didn't talk to him for the rest of highschool.

That's why he killed himself a year or so after highschool. Because I didn't have sex with him and neither would the other girl who he cornered with the suicide threat. To this day it pains me to know that he died thinking it was his only way out. He want even ugly, he was actually kinda hot. But he was an asshole and so depressed that no one could save him. I doubt getting laid would have just magically cured him.

When I turned 18 (still a virgin) I met a guy online. 300lbs, incel type guy who was horny af, but genuinely nice about it and not pushy. I liked him because he sharedy hobbies and such. He asked me out and I said yes. We had a wonderful couple weeks together as an online couple.

We went to an anime con together (first time meeting in person) and immediatelly he started with the typical incel type bullshit about being suicidal because he was a virgin, etc. Tried to force me to fuck him, personality did a 180 in one day. I left that hotel crying.

We rarely spoke after that, he often apologized and we mostly agreed to stay friends and keep the anime talk platonic. I forgave him after a few years. I had dated a new guy and lost my virginity to him. He was super nice and not pushy about sex. We broke up because he got into that redpill bullshit about women and it 100% ruined the relationship. We'd been dating for 2 years, perfectly happy, lived together and were engaged. He ruined it by (basically) turning into Chad.

I moved out and incel guy from before started talking to me and we got closer. He brings up sex again and I shoot him down because it's clear he had an agenda to just get laid and not give a fuck about our friendship. He tries to push this FWB nonsense and I told him that if he yelled valued me as a friend he wouldn't be asking for sex the day after I broke off my engagement. It showed that he didn't give a fuck about "me", just my pussy.

Months later, after not trying to get into my pants, he invites me over for a viewing of a new anime we both like. I go over and he was super nice about everything and didn't even try to fuck me. I FINALLY felt comfortable around him. After several years of knowing him this was the first time I felt like he was trying to form any sort of real connection with me.

I made the first move and he confessed that he's not a virgin anymore and that he'd paid for sex a couple of times and didn't enjoy it like he thought he would. I didn't care about that tbh, what I cared about was that he rejected sex from me because he didn't want to ruin the friendship again. For once sex wasn't the fucking issue. Sex had ALWAYS been the issue and it was nice to not have that be the reason I leave crying. We started friends for over a year before I tell him that I have feelings for him and he friends zones me saying that he couldn't develop romantic feelings for me. I understand completely and we both move on with life.

About 6 months ago ish we went to a couple together and actually had FWB type sex, just got fun and nothing else. Because? He didn't treat sex like it was the thing fueling him in life. He treated it as something both people mutually wanted. In the last 6 months he's lost all of his excess weight and is decent looking.

I asked him what made him change and he said "I got help". He'd gone to a therapist and actually listened instead of fabricating excuses in his head to console himself. He learned how to cope with rejection on a healthy scale and not turn sorrow and pain into hatred and anger.

I've seen incels come out of this hellhole that you all put yourselves in when things don't go your way. Things didn't go my way either when I wanted to date him, I think I handled it pretty well when he rejected me romantically. I didn't blame all men and I didn't start fabricating statistics and lies about me to suit my situation.

Your life doesn't revolve around your genitals. Your happiness does not rely on Stacy's vagina or Chad's cock. Your lust should be for the WHOLE person, not just their SMV.

Once you start saying "All X are like that" is the moment you step into hell; the hell you've trapped yourself into is all in your head. Not all men are pigs and not all women are monsters. There are lots of pigs and monsters out there, but none as horrific and evil as the people in this thread spreading hate.

It's not because you're ugly, it's not because your dick is small, it's not because you're poor. It's because you're retarded, entitled, assholish, immature, and clinically insane.

It's ok to be upset, let it aaaalllll out

I'm not upset so much as I feel like I can't help you.

good post irrelevent question. is haikyuu any good?

Yes, it's amazing. It's about a short boy trying to participate in a sport full of Chads and slowly conquering them in his own way. He'll be a champion if he keeps strong and doesn't cave into the whole "I suck and it's everyone else's fault" routine and focused on improving himself!

I'm not an incel hahahaha, I literally just comment here

Ok?

You replied to my neutral, unopinionated comment.

I'm probably just being dense, but your point went over my head. I don't get what you were trying to tell me.

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Y'all

Y'all indeed.

Y'all

Roastie has a specific meaning, it does not mean air head. It means a girl who had so much sex that her vagina looks like roast beef.

If you think being denied love and affection isn't on the same scale of pain as being dehumanized, insulted for not having sex, and being told you deserve to be tortured physically, then you are a hypocrite. You are comment biased and there's no changing you.

My entire point went over your head. I'm not gonna argue with you anymore. You're clearly not interested in seeing anyone else's pov. You clearly do hate women, you'd better hope your gf never finds this page or you'll be single in no time. (Show it to her, I dare you. Show her what you say about women online. She won't be happy.)

I tried tinder, I swiped on so many guys and got no hits back. I don't even look at pictures, just read the bios. Out of 60+ swipes not one returned to me. I didn't flip out over it. I then made a fake page with a prettier girls picture and got hits left and right. (I deleted that account, it was a week long experiment and I never replied to anyone. No one really even talked to me except all of 2 people and they were rude af.)

Quit taking the easy way out and saying "I know how women think", because you clearly don't. I'm done talking to you, this is clearly not a conversation that is not going anywhere productive for either of us. You can't even get the slang terms correct.

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>It only means something to YOU, not to others. Do you think I don't have my own life story? But there's a reason I don't post it: Because it's not special and contributes nothing to the discussion.

I admire your selflessness, in a way. Not telling everyone your every life's detail can be virtuous, but selflessness can carry over into self-hate. If someone overshares, that's one thing, but if you think so little of yourself that you don't want to tell ANYONE anything, you need to regain that drive to make your voice heard. You must have had it at some point in your life. Some call it "self-esteem".

It seems like delusion from the outside, but the truth is, everyone has it. Is it delusion if everyone's got it inside?

http://archive.is/itlkH

nuff said lol, typicall virtuesignaling roastie.

also your life story doesnt matter. incels didnt exist 10 years ago. what youre describing is your own fantasy story.

btw, if we start making up stories to proof our points, let me make up a story too:

so i was in love with this girl from inceltears(she was a bluepiller) and i asked her out and she said no. i asked her why she said because personality`, its not my looks shes actualyl into ugly guys. but then my abusive 6´3 friend namend chad came and hitted her and abused her and she married him and got 10 kids with him.

i had a story about an indian balding manlet pajeet banging not one but two(!) Stacies! at the same time! damn Rajesh save some for us! 😆

try therapy

big pharma is here too

sad

Guy plays 4d chess against himself

"2d girls are more human"

Dude your name brutal!

High IQ blackpill bomb. IT BTFO.

Quality post

Very high iq post.

It’s true, we are invisible and don’t count

You guys are mad at girls for doing what you would do if given the same opportunities. If you had a harem of hoes tryna suck your dick you would choose the hottest ones as well. Dont hate the player, hate the game.

Nah. I'd choose the one I feel closest to and the one that acts the nicest towards me. Hotness has nothing to do with it.

Yet when a girl says the same thing on reddit you call her a lying cunt I bet. You do see the hypocrisy right?

I don't call anyone a lying cunt. But if you say all that and then date a 6'3 white chad then yes, I'll call you out in it.

Good. I agree. Women who claim certain things need to prove it. Gotta walk the walk. The point is not all lustful sinners like this sub keeps trying to make them to be.

But isn't the whole gist that,"hotness" matters to find someone attractive enough to be with? Incels are convinced that attractiveness is the biggest role, yet say that you, yourself, don't care about hotness? So how come when a non incel says attractiveness doesn't matter they are liars, but you go ahead and say the same thing?

This is wrong because you can't put yourself into the shoes of a woman apparently. After years of having absolute certainty that you can get whatever man you want and there are 50 lining up, you do not look at personality. You simply pick the hottest one and deal with whatever little flaws he has because everyone has flaws anyway and genetically he is just the best so whatever. If at some point your looks wane a little, you just pick the nicer ones. Big deal. It's literally an all-you-can-eat buffet and you're not gonna start with the nice burger you can eat later at home, you will start with the exotic high price dish first.

Sure. That's what those women say as well.

Yes. But they act different. That's where the hypocrisy lies. I haven't had a chance but if I did that I'd be a hypocrite too.

This is literally a thread about how it does tough. Why are you lying? Does it feel good?

High IQ /s comment

You're walking into a conversation you know nothing about.

Nope, I definitely know quite a bit about this culture.

Yeah, but what I'm actually attracted to matches up pretty well to what I say I'm attracted to.

damn you just hit some veins in people here. I read this place for entertainment, and also r smalldickproblems

some people REALLY get fucked over bad by the lottery

I hope your children suffer our fate, that'd be entertaining right?

incellectual right here

Truth

Why would I choose if I can bang them all?

no, i'd pick the ones who look like they give the best head and are most eager to please. Best looking doesn't = best in bed, a lot of Stacies don't even try very hard sexually because they can coast on their looks alone.

you would do the same thing

For the 1000th time, that doesn’t constitute as reasoning, dumbass.

Notice how when a soyboy realises they have been defeated they try and flip it around and act like we are the bad guys

There is no good or bad. You think women are out there to be evil to you? Pls you are nothing to them. They dont even know of your existence. Nobodys trying to get you because nobody cares. Yall coping too hard

Agree the subconscious filtering might be true.

"Every single guy a woman sees and voluntarily interacts with has already passed her bar for attraction." Can confirm, am woman, never talk to any man who isn't attractive. That goes with family, professors, customers at my work. If I don't find them hot, then I don't even hear them speak

They did a study that actually came to basically the exact same conclusion: https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html

"The results showed that as long as a man was considered attractive or moderately attractive, both mothers and daughters would pick the guy who had the most desirable personality traits. But when an unattractive male was paired with the most highly desirable personality profile, neither daughters nor mothers rated him as favorably as a potential romantic partner, compared with better-looking men with less desirable personalities.

Both young women looking for men and mothers seeking boyfriends for their daughters consider a minimum level of attractiveness to be an important criterion in a potential mate, the researchers concluded."

TL;DR: If you've an average appearance, you can escape inceldom through personality. If you're below average it really doesn't matter what you do unless it's improving your physical appearance to reach this minimum standard

Is average enough though? On dating sites women rate average guys to be below average. To be average to a woman you actually have to be 7+

I've been trying to say this for so long, so thanks for articulating as well as you just did.

The way I've been attacking it is that evengoodhave an average or good personality, it is not hard at all to find a much better looking guy (remember, genetics has been very unkind to incels) who also has an average or good personality.

I mean, i would say both genders do this

but cmon, there are ppl who dont act like that

hmm I think i agree w u

i could see both those assumptions being mostly true

women have high standards, not that thats wrong per se

Women(and by extension beta men) believe personality matters so much because monogamy forces them into relationships with men they don't find attractive.

If women rate 80% of males as below average, that means that 80% of women are in relationships with men they consider below average.

And if you're not in a relationship because of sexual attraction, what criteria do you use? Basically the same as picking a roommate. Someone who is just "nice to live with". And that's how you create the personality meme, which is then mindlessly parroted by the 80% of men the women settled on.

This is more like it. OP's logic implies that the beta bux men she ends up in a relationship with are actually attractive, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Women can have vastly different opinions on what falls under that 80% though. Just like how men tend to rate closer to 50/50, but we're obviously not going to agree on the exact same 50%.

Yes you say "outliers exist", but I think the percentage of women in relationships who are attracted to their partner is much higher than 20%...

true. women technically arent intentionally lying when they say they only go by personality. its just their perspective and shit is different.

Women are unaware of so much of their own behavior it's crazy sometimes.

Even if you are good on looks tho, they will trick you on personality because they are so unaware on that too. That's what so much of TRP is about.

What's funny about all this is you can have so much pill knowledge you end up knowing women better than they know themselves lol.

this quote gets the roasties so damn toasty, its hilarious when they attempt to make some cope counter to this

This is all cope. It doesn't matter why they pick Chad, they will never pick you.

U didnt read

Blaming me for you not getting laid is cope!

Go back to inceltears, faggot

Name calling, cope!!!!

I know you’re trying to mock us by saying “cope” but in turn it just makes you look like a total retard.

Doesn't change the fact, cope!

Blaming you? Who tf r u

Asking questions cope!!!

hamster wheels

Very true. I remember a hiring partner at a top firm say that he didn’t care grades. He only reads 500 resumes, which are filtered for the top grades, but within that group, he doesnt care. Same idea.

1000 IQ post

Yep, which is why I dont blame women much at all. They are barely consciously aware of what they are thinking or feeling. However beta men who do not want to admit these things and repeat them to other men are absolutely vile and disgusting to me. Look, a woman is weaker than a man. What is she gonna do, go through the world loudly proclaiming the blackpill, saying that ugly men are a nogo for her and every other woman? Of course not, she plays it safe and repeats lies. However for a (Beta) man there is no excuse. You are just a piece of shit if you lie to other men.

I feel another part is that women just change their own personality a little and guys act differently to them then.

Because most guys treat 0-3’s the same, 4-7’s the same and 8-10’s the same, unless they change their personality then we notice them.

The same doesn’t work vice versa

They also believe so because it's drilled into all of our heads that women are the "virtuous gender".

highest iq of the month tbh

In my experience women freely admit they do not find a large group of men attractive.

Have you never heard "He is nice but not my type"?

not my type"?

As they have a type... No ur ugly, she's not falling for specific type, i hate dis so much

Every single guy a woman sees and voluntarily interacts with has already passed her bar for attraction. At that point, the only remaining filter is to judge for personality. So from a woman's point of view , every guy she's ever chosen has been because of his personality (other than the small group of elite 10/10 chads who can get women just by asking for sex).

This one should go in the hall of fame.

Honestly not far from the truth, speaking from experience. Unless she’s looking to just sleep around, she’s probably going to check the profile for more info on the guy before swiping right. Same can be said for in person. Unless she specifically is looking for some quick sex, if she’s looking for a potential boyfriend in men, she’s going to get to know a guy a little better before giving him the green light.

I am repeating what others have said- this is a legit high iq post. You have solved the enigmatic puzzle which none of us could solve. Good job.

IT nowhere to be found in this thread, even they can't argue with this fact.

This really only applies to good looking girls tho.

Truepill

Dank circlejerk comment section.

This is unrelated but... i just got banned from /offmychest for ''participating" in this subreddit Bahaha im usually always critizing the content here . what a bunch of pussy morons

Boo fucking hoo

I rarely go outside this sub. Just lol at cucked reddit

Tinder is for people wanting hookups though. If you’re just looking to hook up you’ll probably just meet the hottest person you match with. If you’re looking for an actual relationship, personality matters much more.

I should have been more clear. I’m not disagreeing with you, but just the way Tinder is set up you’re judging people on looks more than on other sites.

Isn’t OK Cupid very similar to Tinder? I’m talking more about the sights that you have to pay for, like Match. The ones you use if you’re a little more serious when it comes to looking for a relationship. They make you take fairly long personality tests, so you’re matching with people with similar interests. If someone has a lot in common with you, you’re more likely to give them a chance.

You’re right, and men are the same way too.

Agreed, although it’s not denial as much as we aren’t typically as vocal about saying if we find a fella attractive. I definitely know women who are more assertive that way, but it’s not as common.

Why do you think that tinder is set up the way it is? It’s set up the way it it because it’s how people are wired, i.e. judge based on looks. Tinder caters to human nature, not the other way around that people cater to tinder.

just be chad and hookup on tinder bro

Damn, you should get a honorary PHD

I’m not disagreeing with you, but all I was saying is that Tinder is set up to judge people on looks more than other sites.

Amazing, quality post

Women aren't "aware" of anything.

Men, on the other hand, also "whittle" women down via Tinder (unless totally desperate), except men are far more accepting of looks than women.

Men are also more accepting of personality.

So the adage that women are the "choosers" remains. Except in our society women are increasingly shallow.

Animals don't have the level of awareness to really 'choose' their mating partners, especially ones with seasonal mating. When they're in heat they're gonna go for it with literally anyone, the reason top alphas get all the females is because they force away all other potential males, not because the females are 'picky'.

It also really depends on the specific species you're talking about.

As a female I can back this up because this is actually true.

This is exactly it.

YEP IM not even gonna argue because this is it.

Women don't believe personality matters much. They're outright lying when they say otherwise.

This women admits the truth. So do a few others, frequently showcased here. The rest are liars.

If that isn't fake, i bet you that woman is a 7/10 at best.

But aren't looks a pretty good indicator for personality? Ugly people tend to be more bitter, beautiful people tend to be more sociable and fun.

Halo effect

Sure, I understand that, but is there no evidence that people who are prettier and have been treated nicely all their lives, tend to be more nice to others? Same as people who have been shit on all their life for being ugly, tend to be a little "nastier?" I have absolutely no proof or evidence, and was wondering if it goes hand in hand.

what?

If a person is treated poorly, they will treat others poorly.

If a person is treated nicely, they will treat others nicely.

I'm wondering if this is true or not. Because if it is, then prettier people -> who are treated nicely -> will treat others nicely. Menaing, it's not just the halo effect in effect, but that prettier people are much more wholesome, nice people.

200 iq post you learned me something new thank you for this

I thought Stephen Hawkins was dead

Its mostly looks. Looks are what will initially attract a woman no doubt. But I do believe personality plays a part too. Women can quickly judge a man's personality by his body language, the tone of his voice and other factors.

A man needs good looks to initially attract a woman, and then he needs to cement that attraction with his personality. And the personality that woman are most attracted to is the charming, cocky, aggressive bad boy.

Of course the better looking a man, the less relevant personality is. But even a man who looks like Chad could cause women to lose attraction if he acts in a completely weird antisocial fashion.

all looks

This is one of the best posts I've ever seen here. It sums up the situation perfectly.

If you've ever seen a girl use tinder you will notice how quickly they swipe left for below average guys. I'd just like to tack on a reminder that "below average" to a woman has nothing to do with literal definitions of average. As you pointed out correctly 80 percent of men are "below average" to a woman. But did you also know that 56 percent of all men are Ok Cupid are rated as "least attractive?" It's true. As men, we tend to look at a crowd of women and rate them by a number: "That girl on the left is a 5, her friend is a 6. The girl two bar stools over is a 4. There's an 8 at the far side of the room with her Chad boyfriend." With roasties, it's just a bunch of literal empty bar stools and NPCs breathing her air without her permission. Oh, and Chad is talking to that skank over there. What's he doing with her? Doesn't she know that outfit makes her look fat? OMG!

Women tend to cull the herd like an NFL team cuts applicants by combine stats. By this, I mean it's pass/fail until you get to the real try out.

what episode is this?

love the NFL combine analogy. You only get an invite to the combine if you are REALLY REALLY FUCKING GOOD and not even a tryout if you were hot shit at the local High School but dead ass amongst the elite.

Harvard phd in blackpillology

This is extremely blue pilled, femoids only care about looks and see your personality through them, all of the decisions they have made are based on looks while yes, they delude themselves by telling themselves they made them based on personality somehow and that their judgements aren't idiotic

No one on incels.me/ would agree with you, that is a red pilled and not black pilled view, I don't see how femoids can see someone who is ugly as charismatic

I really think it's more subtle the looks thing. Looks often indicate your personality. I just read that somewhere, but I can't remember where. Sorry. Where I'm living now a lot of women are tiny and date or are married to huge gorillas who eat at restaurants with their guts literally hanging out so as to cool themselves off. I think perhaps there is a cultural difference because of emphasis on visual learning in America.

Yea, personality only matters if you pass a certain looks threshold. That’s why there are so many autists here, they’re good-looking enough to get IOI’s and matches, but once they start talking, women are repelled. It’s over if you’re not neurotypical.

legit

But what if the girls way of viewing the world is normal and yours isn't?

High IQ post

Honestly shouldn’t be a surprise. The shit is based off instinct and in a pack of gorillas the weird fucks don’t mate, right? So now that you boys figured it out what’s the next step? Accept it find a robot or try to come as close to a chad as possible? Lol

What you also have to remember is if girls just want to hookup theyre obviously going to go for looks (e.g. my flatmate genuinely cares about personality) but would obviously only get with a guy if hes pretty good looking. Whereas, she hasnt been in a relationship before because she wants the right personality.

"In the next stages of her research, Fugère will do a similar experiment with fathers and sons as participants (and using women's photos) to see if this study produces similar findings, she said."

What are people's expectations for this?

It's true, the girl I fucked last night was basically giving me the run down as I watched her go through her profile. She was just laughing at guys who were unattractive.

It's different in real life.

There is social backlash IRL. Online, women are unchained and show their true colors.

So are trying to argue while essentially agreeing with me?

yea, pretty much.

Anyway, what do you mean with "OLD is fucking cancer" btw, you mean aging? Because that didn't make any sense

Online dating. Most of what people say here is true, but only when it comes to tinder, POF, Facebook, etc. That is what is ruining women.

I am female and think you are into something here.

Exactly. This is like voting laws tied to property. No discrimination on birth (looks), just acquire property (personality) and you'll get to vote but alas who is it that stands a realistic chance to own property in the first place? Birth, what else. What can get you eligible for personality at all, looks, what else.

Your looks are a visual sign of your genetics.

Both men and women have a biological desire to create healthy offspring, even if they say they don't want children. If you look like shit - male or female - that is a sign of poor genetics and is going to be unattractive to both sexes. Personality is completely irrelevant in terms of first impressions for both sexes.

Do everything you can in order to visually signal your vitality. Take care of your skin. Exercise. Lose weight if you're fat, gain weight if you're skinny. Build muscle. Get a haircut. Pluck and shape your eyebrows. Eat healthy. Quit smoking. Pick up hobbies that will be good for your cardiovascular health.

Some of us didn't win the genetic lottery, and that really stinks. So now you have to work harder to stay in the race.

As a woman I can confirm. Some guys just arent seen as a «sexual possibility» in our eyes, and we dont really think of them as «males». This happenes on an uncountious level the same way children, old people and animals are automatically put in a completely unsexualized category. The very idea that such a person even has a sexuality is absent to most of us.

Well, reading this made me wanna gut myself.

I'm hitting the booze.

and animals are automatically put in a completely unsexualized category.

Cope. Lotsa white women have sex with dogs and horses. Nasty ass hoes

It's over. Straight out of the horses mouth

They don't HONESTLY believe it though. Honesty and women don't go together, they may know exactly what they're doing and believe, say something that goes against that and not even feel like they did something wrong by telling a lie. Women are uncivilized.

So this post amounts to women simply having incredibly low self-awareness.

Women are on a lower of level consciousness. Above animals but below men.

You are probably the most wrong anyone has ever been about anything.

Username doesn't check out.

Every single guy a woman sees and voluntarily interacts with has already passed her bar for attraction.

Wut?

I guess women being friends with men they are not attracted to doesn't exist then.

Nice nitpicking bro

Please post this on r/okcupid.

I haven't had much expiriance dating, but in the time I had tinder I chose who to swipe right on based basically 100% based off of if they had a bio and what it said. You can't make these kind of generalizations about over half the world's population. Coming from a girl.

you’re right. i once heard a story about an balding 5’2” indian janitor having sex with two supermodels 😆

Why they didnt just teach me this stuff sooner i really dont know, it woulda been tough to swallow but id be waaayyy better off for it. Society is so cucked

Looks threshold theory is legit, ive always been convinced of this. Question though, do you think insanely good looks + autism overrides and "beats" a good looking guy with a near perfect personality?

"Women dont care about you. They are robots without feelings. They swipe on tinder automatically without noticing"

What else did I miss?

Who am I to know, some would, some wouldn’t. If you’re ugly it doesn’t matter what you do anyways.

Are you asking a sub mainly populated by subhumans who have never been in a relationship if they would knock it out of the park on their first try? Leave these fuckers alone. course' the time they get a (this) hypothetical date they wouldn't know what to do, it's probably their first fucking time going on a date or their first real attempt at intimacy. The fact that it needs to be explained is funny as fuck.

That's actually a question instead of a thinly veiled insult?

Then they can't really complain at the lack of dates if they couldn't handle if they did get a date. The lack of dates isn't really the problem. The lack of knowing what to do on a date is.

I'm probably just being dense, but your point went over my head. I don't get what you were trying to tell me.

i had a story about an indian balding manlet pajeet banging not one but two(!) Stacies! at the same time! damn Rajesh save some for us! 😆