Normies love deluding themselves and others

The answer is Toronto

Well I mean if you're a misogynistic dickhead of course nobody will want you. Being an asshole to everyone won't bring anything good to you. It's just common sense.

I've seen plenty of misogynistic chads with girls. It's what looks that matters.

Stop acting like a 14 year old. Oh wait a minute you can't you literally are one.

Go home kiddo and stop being a whiteknighting cuck on internet.

Looks matter, sure, that's how humans work, but that doesn't mean women won't avoid of you if hate them. Just because you saw a misogynistic Chad doesn't mean you should be misogynistic. Any kind of discrimination without a valid reason is bad, you should know this. Maybe you should act like a 14-year-old for once if that means that you become a normal human.

We have our valid reasons to hate them. Women are hypergamous and they've always rejected or ignored us cuz of our looks whenever we approached them. I can never be normal cuz I am ugly and that simply means rotting in loneliness until death.

Many ugly people have wives. Did you consider that being a disrespectful dick might make most of them dislike you?

Many ugly people have wives.

Maybe cuz they are rich or popular. Women start marrying them for money when they get older.

No one here acts like a disrespectful dick when irl in front of a girl. I didn't even talk to you in disrespectful way while you're calling me dick again and again.

I didn't even talk to you in any disrespectful way

Stop acting like a 14 year old. Oh wait a minute you can't you literally are one.

Go home kiddo and stop being a whiteknighting cuck on internet.

Sure...

Also, you're acting as if women have no emotions. Do you actually believe that?

Surely that's not as disrespectful as calling someone straight out a dickhead.

They do have emotions like hate and disgust for ugly guys when we god-forbid tries to ask them out.

Personality is the name of my dick bro.

Gonna give her that good personality bro. That big hot personality

my condolences

Believe it or not, you can have a shit personality while also being ugly.

Never hurts to improve where you can, being a likable person won't get you everything in life, but being a whiny man-child isn't helping you any, either.

You think we never were blue-pilled like you are?

this is the biggest misconception of all normies that come in here lol

Wow, the delusion around here has reached a new level.

Such whiners.

I was a fucking male feminist and I still couldn't get laid.

It isn't personality. It isn't ideology. It is looks.

Probably because you only became a feminist so that you could get laid. And since women aren't stupid (contrary to popular belief on this sub) they can see right through your bullshit. But sure, chalk it up to looks. Make it the world's fault. That makes everything so much easier.

lol no

"I was a fucking male feminist and I still couldn't get laid."

As if being a male feminist is the ticket to getting laid. Maybe you didn't become a feminist to get laid (let's pretend you are telling the truth), but it's obviously an ideology that wasn't a conviction of yours (or else you would still be one) so women most likely could see right through your facade due to lack of conviction.

Probably because you were a pussy. Only lesbians like pussies. You'd have to be seriously deformed if you can't get laid while being a confident and charming guy

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"provides value to their life" what are you a cuck?

Well everyone wants a partner that provides value to their life. Why else do you think a girl would want to date you? Because you exist?

But sure, I'm the cuck, and you're the alpha. Any tips on to how I can achieve alphaness? Always looking to improve myself.

nah you said it as if we have to only provide for them value while they don't do shit.

"Said it as if..." But I didn't say that though, did I?

You probably just assume that women enter a relationship expecting to not have to provide value, so you decided to read into my comment as if it's the truth.

Eliminating these types of assumptions will lead you to enlightenment, friend.

a lot of women assume that. litlerly just go to every female "how to get a boyfriend" type of shit. look at the advice. no self improvement whatsover. besides, everything in life requires value. having friends requires some type of value.

I wouldn't say a lot, but definitely some women assume that their body is the only value they need to provide. However, you should strive to have greater self respect than to entertain a girl like that.

And yes, most things in life requires providing some value, including friendships. But if you think looks are the only thing that can provide value, then you are doomed to fail.

I know right? I used to worship the ground women walked on when I was a teenager because I was fed bullshit by my mom and other adult women. Still got treated like dirt.

Actually yes. What were your views prior to becoming an incel/being "blackpilled"?

If those views line up with mine, that'd be interesting. But I'm not sure that's the case.

Yeah, because everyone here goes around talking about how much they hate women when they approach them ^/s

No need for /s here boyo.

It's necessary when talking with bluepillers.

True

Yeah sure Chads TOTALLY are never mysogynist

So, two wrongs make a who cares?

Better yourself.

What does "better yourself" have to do with anything?

I thought new age fags like you claim people are supposed to "better themselves" for the rest of their lives?

So if you have to do it regardless, what's the point of saying that to us on here?

Please just better yourself.

Yeah, good thing I said literally nothing like that in my comment.

Dumb ass.

You can put a mask on for a while, but eventually it'll be hard to maintain that. If you do get into a relationship, you would find it hard to talk about stuff since most of your topics would be kinda taboo. The result is 1) you'll be more boring than you would otherwise 2) it will take a heavier mental toll on you to keep your mask up, so dating or making friends will be even more annoying. If you're already an introvert, this will make it even worse.

I have a bad habit of liking to see/read about messed up relationships (which is why I'm here), which was fine cuz I was single till I was 26. But when I started dating, it felt really weird when my partner was sharing their life with me freely and I'm hiding all this stuff behind a mental wall to appear normal and it drained me. I spend less time looking at stupid stuff now, but old habits die hard.

If you're an ugly guy with personality, it's probably due to being treated like shit because of your ugliness. You know what that means?

It means his personality, good or bad, means fuck all.

No, you're just shifting the blame for your shitty behavior onto others.

QQ

kk will do boobear~

Glad I could help! :D

So why bother working on personality then right?

If you must try to improve yourself, improve your looks. If you're still incel after maxing out your looks, it's over

stop being a whiny normie

Stop being a virgin.

That's impossible if you're a sub-8

I'm living proof of the opposite.

lol i won the lottery see guys anyone can im proof of it.

If you're comparing fucking a girl to winning the lottery then you're too far gone.

It's an analogy. My point is just because you managed to do something spectacular doesn't mean anyone else can.

I'm a MAN child whaaa where's my milkies

Most incels were bluepilled at one point though

I see the laughable quality on incel posts are back strong today.

Satire?

This sub is yes.

Satire and memes yeah lol

Cope leads to rope

MFW my good personality is wasted daily on undeserving foids.

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You call them bad personality, despite the fact they are obviously ugly.

Both play a role, but sadly, even in this day and age, pure physical attractiveness is the bigger part.

They play different roles. Attractiveness is a barrier of entry, Not attractive = not ever giving you a chance.

Personality is a resident card. Bad personality = short relationship with bad breakup.

Incels don't even get the opportunity to see if they can sustain a relationship, they never get in one.

This is especially true online when women have the ability to pick whomever they like based on a photo.

The only way for particular unattractive people to get around this is to find social hobbies and interests in the real world. Attending these hobbies often, where you may see or interact with the same people now and again, is a good starting point to real world dating.

The women present will not only be into the same thing as you but they will be around you enough to get to know you, and if you dont have a shit personality women can and will date someone they dont find the most attractive, they just need to see your personality in action first.

This is why you always see those overweight, fat, but absolutely lovable and hilarious dudes with small hot chicks. Their humor wins then over and keeps them.

They still see you even in hobbies.

The point was they get to know you and a great personality can sometimes override an ugly mug.

Its incredibly difficult for an ugly person to date, im just saying the odds are better in person than online. Which sucks because ugly people tend to get treated like shit in their younger years, making going out to social situations also difficult. The struggle is very real for less attractive men.

No

Ok :)

It’s hard for the other person to get over the ugly mug

Yeah, its hard, definitely. But being around the ugly person long enough to see their personality might change their opinion. When youre online theres no need for a woman to stick around and get to know you. Its ALL image online.

Thats why im saying getting into a social hobby where you regularly see the same people is your best bet. Not saying it's a ton better, but it's definitely better.

Plus there are other benefits to social settings, even if its just meeting some other likeminded rad people that make you feel accepted.

Still they can just want to see you as friends.

Anyways I got a gf now but still.

Thats true, cant make a woman want to date you.

Glad you have a gf! I hope shes great

Yeah, you really can't.

She's amazing! But yeah. I'm glad too!

if you stand near a dumpster long enough, eventually you'll start eating out of it. -_-

...im not sure that analogy really makes sense.

If youre chained to a dumpster, yeah you will have to eat whats in there to survive. But if you have a choice and you choose the dumpster over burger king then there must be something great in that dumpster.

women are not chained to the dumpster. they have a wallet full of "social currency" that they can spend anywhere they want. :2

So if a woman chooses the dumpster over burger king, then there must be something pretty good in that dumpster, yes?

ugly people tend to get treated like shit in their younger years, making going out to social situations also difficult. The struggle is very real for less attractive men.

This is the only part of your post I agree with. You can't overcome ugliness with "a great personality" because you don't fuck a personality. For that matter, saying that someone has a great personality is simply another way of saying they are very well socialized, i.e. smooth, charming, et cetera. And people who are well socialized are almost always at least normal looking. Unattractive people, particularly men, are frequently poorly socialized due to being shunned by their peers growing up and can only be rescued by status, i.e. catering to the hypergamous nature of women. Salma Hayek isn't married to a crusty old billionaire for his "great personality." Hell, Melania Trump is married to a billionaire with an utterly repulsive personality and openly admits she's only with him for his money.

I dont agree with anything Melania Trump does (afaik) and think being in a relationship simply for material gain is disgusting.

But I do believe there are many parts of a great personality that can be beautiful, intriguing, introverted, and anti-social. I dont believe that you have to be charming, smooth, etc to have a great personality. However honestly, those are traits I often avoid. I like the quiet, introspective type that doesnt worry about what others think.

But I absolutely understand that having the more social traits will get you further in life.

see those overweight, fat, but absolutely lovable and hilarious dudes with small hot chicks.

I don't see this- in fact , I more often than not see the opposite. Especially if the male is working/underclass.

Yeah it goes both ways.

I meet people and talk personally with them all the time because of my job. Just yesterday I worked on a client and he was obese and not particularly attractive but was engaged to a super cute, tiny, large breasted girl that adored him.

He was hilarious, charming, and confident.

I see this a lot.

The only obese men or even chubby men I've ever known to have hot girlfriends are either wealthy or at least wealthy relative to the class the girl grew up in. Or if the girl has daddy issues and they started dating when she was fifteen and he was twenty eight.

Im sure those types of relationship situations happen often. Ive personally seen that as well.

I happen to have seen a lot of the opposite and have observed all sorts of relationships over the years and you would be surprised at the number of odd pairings.

This is 100% the truth, my personality is pretty rough around the edges but I've had a handful of relationships because I won the genetic lottery in the face department.

All of those relationships implode and fizzle out in 6 months or so, I feel for the incels entirely, if I was ugly I would be even more fucked than a lot of the guys here because I'm a sociopathic dick. People let me get away with it because they like eyefucking me.

Most people don't give a shit how you act as long as you are nice to look at. Looks trump all and life is fucking brutal.

Normie here.

I do believe sexual selection is obviously a thing, and that women are going to go for more attractive men.

What I don’t understand is why the general attitude here is that women are evil for that,

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The attitude around here is women are evil for LYING about the fact that it's what they do. And lying about everything else.

Some women lie, but not all.

Why would you deem all women evil for the actions of some?

I could ask that question on nearly every post here.

No, they're all liars. All of them.

The only men who claim to have met women who aren't like that also happen to be nu male white knight feminist cucks.

Have you met every woman?

I feel like you must have had a terrible childhood or a terrible mother to firmly believe all women are evil liars. If thats the case im sorry.

I agree.

No, it's what all women are like. Ask any non-white knight male.

Not all women are the same.

And it seems any man that is happily with a woman and likes women is a white knight? And fuck those guys, right?

I know if I only ask incels most will say all women are liars. But incels dont make up the majority and are in no way an expert on women.

There is a gray area for everything in life. You may be getting the shitty end of the stick, but that doesnt mean everyone is a horrible person.

Im sorry if youre personally having a hard time.

No, there are plenty of guys in relationships who acknowledge the truth of what we say. The only ones who deny it are "male feminists." It's them every time.

Ask on MGTOW. Ask on TRP. Ask virtually all male standup comedians.

Ok, so you want me to ask groups of men that already hate women what they think about women and attribute that opinion to all men and what is ultimately right? That seems a bit unfair.

Im fully aware that there are a lof of man that hate, distrust, or dislike women, but there are a shit load of men that have women in their lives that they love and respect.

It would be disrespectful of me to not consider opinions of all men. A man not sharing your opinion doesnt make him wrong.

Yes, but these other groups feature men who have experience with lots of different women. They have yet to find a "unicorn."

Yeah, there are also groups of woman that are older and experienced that hate men. Older female comedians? Bitter cat ladies? There are plenty.

However, having worked in a male dominated industry for almost ten years, I often get called an "anomaly" among women. My male coworkers say I have a penis.

I dont know, I understand both sides exist and neither are 100% correct.

They're evil for that because they have CRAZY high standards that are forcing many men into lifelong loneliness and misery. If women acted like men in dating, there would be no incels.

Women on dating apps and dating websites are bombarded with messages from men trying to hook up, messages that are obvious copy and paste, messages from what seem like every dude.

They have their pick of the litter and thus will put up higher standards.

And of course men are expected by many women to message first, leading to this vicious cycle.

If the tables were turned and men received ten messages a day from women they absolutely would naturally raise their standards with all the choices presented.

I dont believe dating apps and their studies fully represent the dating world, they represent the online dating world.

Many women I know in real life ( myself included) are dating men less attractive than themselves if you were to rate on a scale.

Many women I know in real life ( myself included) are dating men less attractive than themselves if you were to rate on a scale.

Of course you say that because women rate 80% of men as below average looking. Every femoid on reddit thinks that she’s a goddess.

Ha, im no goddess.

Im a 5 at best.

The way ive seen you guys rate men (giving obvious 10s a 7) makes my boyfriend a 2 on your scale.

post a picture of your boyfriend. :2

I feel like that would be incredibly disrespectful to my boyfriend and I wouldnt want anything traced back to him.

I do have a polaroid I took if him that I could post a pic of, but thats still pushing it, might consider it.

Could always find a similar looking person on Google but you guys would just say im lying.

what could we possibly do to your boyfriend as a bunch of virgins?? "haha dude you're having sex"

lets see the polaroid, block out his eyes if you have to. :2

Dude literally nobody believes that unironically. Some people say that to trigger dumbass lurkers but we just want people to acknowledge that

They are evil for lying to us and deluding beta ugly males

Nah, you went wrong where you don't even try getting a girlfriend. I bet my liver you guys worship Elliot Rodger.

I mean liberals worship Stalin who killed 60 mil people sooo

lol just be goodlooking and have an easier life ezpz

Maybe music can get through to you guys?

"Take a straight and stronger course To the corner of your life Make the white queen run so fast She hasn't got time to make you a wife

'Cause it's time, it's time in time with your time And its news is captured For the queen to use! Move me on to any black square

Use me anytime you want Just remember that the goal Is for us all to capture all we want (Move me on to any black square) Don't surround yourself with yourself Move on back two squares

Send an instant karma to me Initial it with loving care (Don't surround yourself) 'Cause it's time, it's time in time with your time And its news is captured For the queen to use!"

it's a mix of both, definitely doesn't help if you have neither of those things. and here goes all my karma down the drain.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/88php9/physical_attractiveness_is_the_strongest/

Attraction for females are different than it is for males. Attractiveness can help, but being interesting and not awkward can go a long way with females you normally would wanna date.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/88php9/physical_attractiveness_is_the_strongest/

Thats a study for initial attraction in speed dating. Which is a forced way to meet someone. From experience i’ve gotten nothing from approaching girls with the intent of getting dates/ons/number, but a lot from getting attention to myself be being social and interacting with people at parties/school.

Well I mean if you're a misogynistic dickhead of course nobody will want you. It's just... Common sense.

Plenty of misogynistic chads have girlfriends and wives. It's all about looks. It's just... common sense.

Yes, but do you think the average woman would like a person who is hateful towards her?

Obviously, we don't act hateful towards women irl while approaching them while they just hate us because of our looks.

"Could attraction be a complex concept which involves things beyond physical appearance, and regardless of your appearance mostly anyone can make romantic connections and have fulfilling sex lives?"

"No, it's the people who have sex that are wrong"

"Could it be the people who actually engage in conversations with people and get girlfriends know how to get girlfriends and get laid?

No the incels know best"

I'm living proof of the opposite.

They play different roles. Attractiveness is a barrier of entry, Not attractive = not ever giving you a chance.

Personality is a resident card. Bad personality = short relationship with bad breakup.

Incels don't even get the opportunity to see if they can sustain a relationship, they never get in one.

Yeah, its hard, definitely. But being around the ugly person long enough to see their personality might change their opinion. When youre online theres no need for a woman to stick around and get to know you. Its ALL image online.

Thats why im saying getting into a social hobby where you regularly see the same people is your best bet. Not saying it's a ton better, but it's definitely better.

Plus there are other benefits to social settings, even if its just meeting some other likeminded rad people that make you feel accepted.

Have you met every woman?

I feel like you must have had a terrible childhood or a terrible mother to firmly believe all women are evil liars. If thats the case im sorry.

Many ugly people have wives.

Maybe cuz they are rich or popular. Women start marrying them for money when they get older.

No one here acts like a disrespectful dick when irl in front of a girl. I didn't even talk to you in disrespectful way while you're calling me dick again and again.