I think a lot of people are like that. thats why women reject this shit so much, cuz women are mainly all about emotion/words/virtue signalling and cant handle the cold reality and their own actions. and what this sub does is flat out say the truth.
sometimes the truth hurts, but it is what it is. the people who get pissed about it cant handle the truth lol so they go back to safe spaces.
I’m a female and I hang out here quite a bit because I find a lot of the memes and stuff relatable. Not always though, of course sometimes I disagree with the posts. But honestly this is the only place where people are fucking annoyed by certain people just like me
This subreddit is for incels. You, being a female, are literally one tinder swiping session away from having 10 guys ready to fuck you. (even if you are an acid victim). So you don't feel relatable to shit.
What happened to the incel community? An inceltears mod and now we dont even downvote fucking femoids that always say "I am a female and..." for attention?
Bitch, you would have been banned by Azavii in the original incel sub in the first hour of your pathetic comment.
Yep I know that. I don’t claim to relate to anyone here at all. I of course don’t know what it is like. However, I’m always respectful and nice here. If someone wants to ban me they totally can. But I’ve never come here with the intention to brag or make anyone feel shitty.
Don't feed me the usual female bullshit that you are being nice. You literalyl said you relate and then you said "i don't know it's like to be an incel". None of us want to deal with such a self-contradictive, delusional femoid like you.
I relate to disliking the same people that incels do! How hard was that to understand?
I never said I relate TO incels, I said I relate to the same things they dislike.
Dude you are such a faggot. It's obvious you're posting bait for IT to screen shot and post considering your username is random letters and you've talked about killing and murdering women like 10 times in the last half hour. You're like a cop trying to sell weed to teenagers, we all know you're fake.
Yeah I think it’s refreshing to be in the side of reddit where people aren’t sensitive to the point of being completely fake and dishonest due to the fear of losing karma. You only find these kinds of posts in badly-moderated subreddits, under the controversial section.
I hardly ever post here anymore out of respect (you don't want women posting - it's your playground and I try to respect your wishes), but I agree with the central tenets of the sub. The world is fucked and the majority of my gender are cunts.
No, my looksmatch is an 8. I sometimes date guys better looking than me if they’re cool, and sometimes date guys that are worse looking than me, again if I like them. Current boyfriend is 10 to me but probably a 9 based on society because he isn’t over 6 feet tall.
And I agree with you, women have an easier time finding a partner even if they are ugly. I agree that it isn’t fair.
It didn’t convert me but it has made me more empathetic. I try to be kind to everyone and to really notice everyone that’s around me instead of being occupied with my phone.
It always begins with laughter. I remember browsing Sluthate in its heighdays. I couldn't stop laughing and thinking 'holy fuck, these people are crazy'. Until you start swallowing the blackpill yourself and enter the rabbithole. From there, there's no way back.
"When you stare into the void, sometimes the void stares back..." It's like putting a name to something you've known, deep down, you've always been. Suddenly the crippling loneliness, constant rejection, and bullying you suffered your whole life has a name...and you're not alone.
lmao i am one of the first incel members man i know who i am talking to,incelsme is shit too it was orbiting girls on the discord all day before they made a forum
pathetic. I do remember you in the r/incels. We had a good run there. I was mass reported to my local police on a sticky on inceltears and they doxxed me for inciting rape and murder, do you remember?
I always knew of the concept of "a guy who can't get any even though he wants to" before I knew the term incel and I knew in my teenage years it's what I was
I fell into that shit when I was 18–19 and realized that being a "nice guy" wouldn't get me out of the friendzone.
So-called "blue pill" models– the politically correct polite consensus reality– are inaccurate, but the "red pill" and "black pill" stuff here is equally ridiculous.
Do yourself a favor and get out while you still can. I lost years of my life to the misogyny culture. I wasn't even bad looking and, looking back, I had plenty of sexual opportunity (although I'm glad I didn't take it, because my wife and I were at similar experience levels when we met and I'm glad it happened that way). I was just sabotaging myself all over the place.
The actual red pill– note that feminism is another "red pill" and that angry, radical feminism is another "black pill"– is this: women are people. They're not better, and not worse, than men. We have a lot more in common than differentiates us. Finding love and relationships and good sex is just hard– for women as well as for men. It takes years.
observe people's actions instead of their words
Yes, of course this. That said, one of the most toxic manosphere memes is "AWALT": All Women Are Like That. All women are not anything except for the trivial (e.g., carbon-based, living on Earth, subject to the laws of physics) because there are 2.5 billion adult women in the world. There are some amazing women out there, and some terrible ones, but if you start buying into red/black-pill culture and develop the idea that they're all shitty, then you're in for a bad few years until you deprogram the toxic ideas out of your head.
Well we are, so congrats you got out but we can't.
I had plenty of sexual opportunity
Once again, we don't. It's amazing how many men like you think because they missed opportunities you can relate to us. We have been openly mocked for our looks by women for years, we were never given "sexual opportunities".
Well we are, so congrats you got out but we can't.
Most of the public incels are average-looking guys.
Truly ugly people are pretty rare. Most people in their prime (25–45) are hot to someone if they're in decent shape.
It's amazing how many men like you think because they missed opportunities you can relate to us.
Well, now I'm glad I didn't take those opportunities. (I wasn't always, back then.) Like I've said, I'm a happily married 34-year-old, so all the encounters that happened before I met my wife are pretty meaningless.
We have been openly mocked for our looks by women for years
That happens to everyone. Some women are evil bitches, just like some men are psychopaths and rapists. And the nasty women mock other women (regardless of whether they're hot) more than they mock men.
most of the public incels are average-looking guys
Of course, the truly ugly ones know enough to not post their pictures online.
Well now I'm glad I didn't take those opportunities
That wasn't the point, the point was you had those opportunities and that indicates you were somewhat attractive, you just had low self confidence. We never had those opportunities, so we know it isn't a confidence issue, we really are just ugly.
We never had those opportunities, so we know it isn't a confidence issue, we really are just ugly.
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way about yourself. I don't know what your physical issues are, but they might not be as severe as you think. When I was 19, I was underweight and had acne. At 34, I'm a solid 5 but there's enough variation that some women find me hot. Chances are, although you're not in the ~5% that can get away with murder, you're in that >90% who is just average and not the <5% who is seriously unattractive. Hitting the gym is the first step. Michael Phelps would be "facecel"– he's an excellent athlete but not at all good-looking, genetically speaking– but I'm sure he's quite attractive to women for his body.
I've tried the "hit the gym, get social friends, go out and meet people" stuff and you know what it taught me? It proved for me that I am definitely in the bottom 5%. I am literally short, ugly, and Indian, and girls make it very obvious the second I show romantic interest is the second our friendship is over.
Average isn't good enough if you're a guy. Most women think average-looking men are ugly.
Actually, it is good enough. The physical determinism in incel culture– "I'm 5'7 and have a 35th-percentile dick, so all women will see me as second rate"– is self-defeating and incorrect. If you're a 50th-percentile (or even 20th-percentile) guy who works out, has ambition and a good personality, and isn't afraid to ask a girl what she wants in bed– being good in bed has a lot more to do with listening to women, and getting past the hangups that are all-too-common in our prudish-yet-perverse culture, than having a big "package"– women will find you to be a catch. It starts to get really good around age 25–30. It's still hard to find the right person– someone with similar tastes in literature, political and spiritual views, and ambitions– but attracting women gets really easy.
It's not like there's a real thing called an "objective 6". The best-looking guys are sexually attractive to about 50% of women. Above-average guys are sexually attractive to about 20% of women (and will get rejected 80% of the time). Average guys are attractive to about 10%. So, yeah... you'll get rejected a fair amount if you're "just average". But good-looking guys get rejected too.
If you include mutual "this isn't going there" endings and breakups, you'll probably be rejected 100–500 times before you find someone you can marry. It fucking hurts. I know that it hurts because I've been there. But it's worth it.
What you need to understand is that rejection isn't what it was in our evolutionary frame. When we lived in tribes of 50–150 individuals, getting rejected meant being humiliated in front of your whole tribe. So the stakes were high, and that's why our brains punish the fuck out of us when we get rejected. But now we live in a global society where there are billions of adult women. Which is awesome, because you can find a way better match than you'd be able to find in a 50–150 person tribe. It also means you'll get rejected a lot more, because the standard for personal connection is higher, but also because women are quicker to realize if it won't work out. But, like I said, it's fucking worth it in the end.
As for "most women think average-looking men are ugly", you're citing a 2009 OkCupid study that, in fact, found that men on the site were often underrated. You have to consider a few factors, but the main one is that female appraisal of male looks is highly context-dependent. Women on dating sites get a lot of spam attention from low-quality men who just want quick sex and aren't willing to put in the least bit of work to get it. You have to overcome the negative social inference of being on a dating site. It's hard, but enough men can overcome that social inference that the sites work well enough to stay in business.
I had zero luck until I was 23 (half my current age) and hardly any until I was 26. Now I know there are uglier people and there are people who have worse luck. I have no happy message of guaranteed success. Might happen, might not. But you can't reliably extrapolate a flat line out to forever. One guy I know, I think he had no luck at all until 30, but he kept it together, he got his shot, and they have a teenage kid now.
Of course there are no guarantees of future luck, not even "love yourself" or "self improvement". If this were just a support board, I'd have no problem with it. It's not a small thing. Personally I stopped being miserable about my nonexistent dating luck only when my luck finally improved.
It's the fishing advice from people who never caught a fish you should watch out for. If you treat a woman you might be interested in like an alien or in a way you wouldn't put up with yourself, that's not bad luck, that's self sabotage. You don't want a woman who will put up with that, and few will put up with it for long anyway.
Straight men don't even use the word "amazing" to describe people.
I'm a pretty effeminate guy. I have two cats that I love to death. This is a pretty serious disadvantage before 25– ER was quite good looking, but effeminate– but it's not a problem once you're older and can find women who are into what you are.
Women in America and Western Europe are definitely very different from female populations in other parts of the world. There are a lot of women living in traditional societies who are NAWALT. But AWALT is a good rule of thumb.
The idea that men should not be cautious around women is ludicrous in the #metoo, divorce-rape era.
Women in America and Western Europe are definitely very different from female populations in other parts of the world.
Not as much as you think. People are people. Not to say that I agree, but you could turn this on its head: wouldn't you prefer a woman who grew up in a hypersexed culture and chose virtue over one who (in your model of the more conservative parts of the world) had less of a choice?
Conservative cultures aren't as moral as you might think, though. Infidelity still exists, everywhere in the world. And, thanks to the Internet, anyone can get corrupted, but anywhere you go, there will be people who don't.
But AWALT is a good rule of thumb.
No, it's really not. There are 100 million adult women in the US. Some of them are absolutely terrible and dangerous, but others are beautiful and kind. As with men, the whole spectrum exists.
The idea that men should not be cautious around women is ludicrous in the #metoo, divorce-rape era.
You know that women have had to be cautious around men for 250,000 years, right?
I agree. Be cautious. Don't have sex in ambiguous circumstances. Wait for enthusiastic consent from someone you like and trust.
"Divorce rape" isn't as gendered as MRAs make it out to be. The result of most divorces is that men and women both suffer, financially speaking. Married people who can support each other if one partner loses a job can also take more risks and do better at all. Then there are the logistical expenses– legal fees, childcare, additional transportation– of breaking the family up.
There are a few alimony socialites (and Mike Cernovich is a male alimony socialite) who come out ahead on divorce, but they're the exception. For the vast majority of people, divorce leaves both parties worse off. Whether the man or woman gets screwed more has more to do with who has a better lawyer than anything else.
The premise of anthropology is that cultures can be radically different. Apparently you know more than all the anthropologists in the world. You also know more than me, someone who has actually witnessed first hand the differences in culture in many places in the world today.
I suspect you haven't spent a year outside of North America or Western Europe.
wouldn't you prefer a woman who grew up in a hypersexed culture and chose virtue over one who (in your model of the more conservative parts of the world) had less of a choice?
Politically, I would prefer it if women would refrain from destroying society with their hypergamy. Personally, I prefer women to keep their distance. More to your point, for the average man, traditional expectations of male-female relations are far superior to what feminism has instilled in Western women today.
But AWALT is a good rule of thumb.
No, it's really not.
A cursory glance at divorce statistics will prove you wrong. Women initiate most of the divorces, and they do so for lame reasons. They get the house and the kids. This is divorce-rape. It is rampant, and men are waking up to this. Don't blame men for the decisions women have collectively made.
You know that women have had to be cautious around men for 250,000 years, right?
You are a gynocentric cuck who has to start every argument from the perspective of the wounded female. You can't begin your thought anywhere else.
Wait for enthusiastic consent from someone you like and trust.
Enthusiastic consent can be retroactively revoked. This is the new front on the war against male sexuality.
"Divorce rape" isn't as gendered as MRAs make it out to be.
Men by far pay more and lose more in divorce. The greatest loss in many cases is the loss of ready access to children. Women get custody by default, and men have to beg for scraps.
I know your next move will be to denigrate men and fathers as being deadbeat. That isn't just a fact, that is what people like you want. You're a sick, anti-male gynocentric feminist apologist of all the evils women do.
FYI, I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. You have brought no facts, only conjecture, and I have better things to do.
I'll leave you with a tid bit. If feminism is doing so great for everybody, why is feminism amassing so many disparate enemies? The feminist answer that women's equality means privileged males only appear to suffer is self-serving. Feminism is making real enemies, for real reasons, and it isn't because feminism is fair and just. Women are getting worse. Men are getting worse. Your apologetics are accomplishing nothing.
Incel theories and all these black pills explain my whole life tbh..
I always knew deep down I am a lost cause but I soldiered on through life and wondered why I was getting nowhere with women because I was still blue pilled and believed i actually had any influence on my success with women to begin with.
Now that I am blackpilled everything that I observed all these years suddenly made sense
Looks are important in sex and romance, and they even influence to an extent how people are treated socially and professionally, to an extent.
The blackpill just takes these uncontroversial truths and extrapolates them into wild, generalized hate (while ignoring all other points, e.g. how interpersonal factors influence perceived attractiveness) pretending their bigoted exaggerations are still backed by relatively modest evidence.
Same boat as OP tbh. The black pill is beyond true and the only evidence you will ever need for it is as easily gathered as watching people interact in a bar or coffee shop.
Also the memes here are hilarious lmao.
Me too. I heard about incels, and I checked out the original r/incels subreddit and how it’s crazy or someshit, but I got brutally blackipilled in like the first day I lurked here, the science, the theories, they all added up. I’m blackpilled af now no going back lmao
Yup, it happened to me. I browsed the old Incel subreddit a few times but it always felt a bit too radical to me. After the media started publishing hit pieces on incels after the Toronto attacks (odd how they don't do that after Muslim attacks), I gravitated here. Things are a bit toned down here (though the hate is still strong, understandably) so I find myself coming back and lurking more and more. I'm not ready to start throwing around labels and lingo in a hateful frothing rage just yet, but a lot of the posts here hit me hard. I've always bemoaned the fact that women have it *so much* easier than men when it comes to relationships/dating/sex, at least now I know I'm not alone in that line of thought.
thats how i felt when i browsed lookism for the first time. i stopped using that site a while ago but i took the blackpill due to looking into that sites philosophy
At first I came to laugh at virgin losers. But there's some truth to the blackpill I had never considered. Of course looks matter a ton and anyone who claims otherwise loses credibility.
But i started to think about how modern culture and technology are in fact facilitating hypergamy, the evidence for this is strong and the long term implications troubling. So I was converted in a sense.
That said incels overstate everything and their way of dealing with their situation is counter productive. So in that sense I am not converted.
Basically. You read things and think "what a crock of shit." But then you begin to see the blackpill happening right before your eyes in everyday life. Then it happens again, and again, and again until you finally start to realize that women are superficial and fake, hundreds of times more than men.
i went to the old incel sub about half a year ago or so, when i kept hearing it other subs mentioning it and i thought 'they're prob a bunch of losers' since every sub was hating on it then when i went there i realized it was basically what my life is jfl
I'm not incel, but my life has had incel moments. I'm not blackpill, but I get why somebody might be. r/Braincels is a massive shit fest, but reading between the lines I find a lot of truth.
The truth is, most women have to put very little effort to be valued by men, while men have to put much greater energies into being valued by women.
And some men, no matter how much energy they put in, will never be valued by women. Some males can be wrong about whether they are members of this sad segment of humanity, as inceltears assholes like to remind us. But the fact is, this segment exists.
I wouldn't call this a conversion. It's something I have known since I was a teenager. More fundamentally, men have to prove their worth, while women are entitled to it. Women have never faced the extreme exclusion men have faced, and that is one reason why I am anti-feminist, pro-incel.
I think young men who are suffering in this way deserve our sympathy and engagement, like women deserve orgasms and men servicing their emotional vampirism, and all the other entitlements women receive from blue pilled cucks.
It is telling that people "concerned" about incels after Toronto have spent most of their energies humiliating them, or handing out lame blue-pill advice, without even contemplating the hard truth of the black pill.
What it tells me is that gynocentrism is real, meaning men who suffer like incels are just losers who will never be taken seriously because they have no value to women.
Yep I know that. I don’t claim to relate to anyone here at all. I of course don’t know what it is like. However, I’m always respectful and nice here. If someone wants to ban me they totally can. But I’ve never come here with the intention to brag or make anyone feel shitty.
We never had those opportunities, so we know it isn't a confidence issue, we really are just ugly.
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way about yourself. I don't know what your physical issues are, but they might not be as severe as you think. When I was 19, I was underweight and had acne. At 34, I'm a solid 5 but there's enough variation that some women find me hot. Chances are, although you're not in the ~5% that can get away with murder, you're in that >90% who is just average and not the <5% who is seriously unattractive. Hitting the gym is the first step. Michael Phelps would be "facecel"– he's an excellent athlete but not at all good-looking, genetically speaking– but I'm sure he's quite attractive to women for his body.
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1 CaligulaWasRight 2018-05-10
I think a lot of people are like that. thats why women reject this shit so much, cuz women are mainly all about emotion/words/virtue signalling and cant handle the cold reality and their own actions. and what this sub does is flat out say the truth.
sometimes the truth hurts, but it is what it is. the people who get pissed about it cant handle the truth lol so they go back to safe spaces.
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
I’m a female and I hang out here quite a bit because I find a lot of the memes and stuff relatable. Not always though, of course sometimes I disagree with the posts. But honestly this is the only place where people are fucking annoyed by certain people just like me
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-10
This subreddit is for incels. You, being a female, are literally one tinder swiping session away from having 10 guys ready to fuck you. (even if you are an acid victim). So you don't feel relatable to shit.
What happened to the incel community? An inceltears mod and now we dont even downvote fucking femoids that always say "I am a female and..." for attention?
Bitch, you would have been banned by Azavii in the original incel sub in the first hour of your pathetic comment.
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
Yep I know that. I don’t claim to relate to anyone here at all. I of course don’t know what it is like. However, I’m always respectful and nice here. If someone wants to ban me they totally can. But I’ve never come here with the intention to brag or make anyone feel shitty.
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-10
DON'T LIE THAT YOU RELATE THEN!!!!!!!!
Don't feed me the usual female bullshit that you are being nice. You literalyl said you relate and then you said "i don't know it's like to be an incel". None of us want to deal with such a self-contradictive, delusional femoid like you.
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
I relate to disliking the same people that incels do! How hard was that to understand? I never said I relate TO incels, I said I relate to the same things they dislike.
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-10
fair point
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
Thank you
1 Blackpilltales 2018-05-10
stfu please and gtfo thx
1 fghjibfffvh 2018-05-10
The only way to show women like her is with violence
If you don’t commit to killing they will never learn
1 BF8211 2018-05-10
Dude you are such a faggot. It's obvious you're posting bait for IT to screen shot and post considering your username is random letters and you've talked about killing and murdering women like 10 times in the last half hour. You're like a cop trying to sell weed to teenagers, we all know you're fake.
1 Incelvester 2018-05-10
u/PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER u/board_gaming u/iQ9K
This guy has posting this stuff all over our sub
1 iQ9k 2018-05-10
Thanks dude
1 JoelBloomSlayer 2018-05-10
Yeah I think it’s refreshing to be in the side of reddit where people aren’t sensitive to the point of being completely fake and dishonest due to the fear of losing karma. You only find these kinds of posts in badly-moderated subreddits, under the controversial section.
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
Most of them don’t really bother me at all honestly and a lot are totally spot on
1 _neutral_username_ 2018-05-10
Nice post!
1 jotaro_kuj0 2018-05-10
Go away you roastie !
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-10
FIRE UP THE OVENS!
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-10
Men can't post anything REMOTELY pro-man on /twoxchromosomes without getting banned. The vitriol over there is FUCKED.
1 I-AM-NOT-FOOD 2018-05-10
I hardly ever post here anymore out of respect (you don't want women posting - it's your playground and I try to respect your wishes), but I agree with the central tenets of the sub. The world is fucked and the majority of my gender are cunts.
You do have the best memes though. Hands down.
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-10
Marry me. PLEASE! Oh God, I'm so sick of McDonald's food.
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
Haha I love the memes here too
1 Plague-Lord 2018-05-10
Your looksmatch would be incel, because you were born with female chromosomes you'll have a relatively easy life, how does that make you feel?
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
No, my looksmatch is an 8. I sometimes date guys better looking than me if they’re cool, and sometimes date guys that are worse looking than me, again if I like them. Current boyfriend is 10 to me but probably a 9 based on society because he isn’t over 6 feet tall. And I agree with you, women have an easier time finding a partner even if they are ugly. I agree that it isn’t fair.
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1 FinalFantasycel 2018-05-10
I swallowed the blackpill
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-05-10
Yup. That's how I got into this community. "Wow these guys are apparently crazy - wait, they actually have a point..."
1 A_CGI_for_ants 2018-05-10
Finding a point to incels is harder than finding a diamond in the ruff
1 hirayama_ronin 2018-05-10
Diamonds in the rough are plentiful. Diamonds are not rare.
1 GodEmperorX 2018-05-10
It didn’t convert me but it did make me a blackpill addict
1 nopenope_noped 2018-05-10
It didn’t convert me but it has made me more empathetic. I try to be kind to everyone and to really notice everyone that’s around me instead of being occupied with my phone.
1 hirayama_ronin 2018-05-10
Like you I come to r/Braincels for the empathy.
1 everythingshewants7 2018-05-10
It always begins with laughter. I remember browsing Sluthate in its heighdays. I couldn't stop laughing and thinking 'holy fuck, these people are crazy'. Until you start swallowing the blackpill yourself and enter the rabbithole. From there, there's no way back.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-10
ikr.
1 Hwga_lurker_tw 2018-05-10
"When you stare into the void, sometimes the void stares back..." It's like putting a name to something you've known, deep down, you've always been. Suddenly the crippling loneliness, constant rejection, and bullying you suffered your whole life has a name...and you're not alone.
1 25OverHeat 2018-05-10
The memes. My Lord, the memes.
1 Everytimeithinkimout 2018-05-10
The memes are all shit if you don't buy into the belief system thougn
1 25OverHeat 2018-05-10
It's a good thing I do then. The awkward looking "Ouch!" Chad drawing is my favorite.
1 Blackpilltales 2018-05-10
>meme are shit constantly browses here
ok then
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-10
I love the crudely drawn Chad ones, where he has weird crooked legs and a triangular yellow head
1 25OverHeat 2018-05-10
Those are my favorite
1 Board_Gaming 2018-05-10
Definitely not. Most of what's on this sub is nonsense.
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-10
agreed all the og incels left
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-10
hey, Hereforthekek here, do you know that this mod is a femoid and an inceltears user? She is not saying this for the same reason you are saying it.
If you want to join the oldfags and trucels go to incels.me
This place is a joke
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-10
lmao i am one of the first incel members man i know who i am talking to,incelsme is shit too it was orbiting girls on the discord all day before they made a forum
1 hermopietrobon 2018-05-10
pathetic. I do remember you in the r/incels. We had a good run there. I was mass reported to my local police on a sticky on inceltears and they doxxed me for inciting rape and murder, do you remember?
1 gufestus2 2018-05-10
I'm still here.
1 brazilianincel 2018-05-10
its over boyo
1 SkankHunter1488 2018-05-10
The OG incels got banned for "glorifying the patriarchy" by our femoid mod.
1 NewLoadsOfFun 2018-05-10
I always knew of the concept of "a guy who can't get any even though he wants to" before I knew the term incel and I knew in my teenage years it's what I was
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
I fell into that shit when I was 18–19 and realized that being a "nice guy" wouldn't get me out of the friendzone.
So-called "blue pill" models– the politically correct polite consensus reality– are inaccurate, but the "red pill" and "black pill" stuff here is equally ridiculous.
Do yourself a favor and get out while you still can. I lost years of my life to the misogyny culture. I wasn't even bad looking and, looking back, I had plenty of sexual opportunity (although I'm glad I didn't take it, because my wife and I were at similar experience levels when we met and I'm glad it happened that way). I was just sabotaging myself all over the place.
The actual red pill– note that feminism is another "red pill" and that angry, radical feminism is another "black pill"– is this: women are people. They're not better, and not worse, than men. We have a lot more in common than differentiates us. Finding love and relationships and good sex is just hard– for women as well as for men. It takes years.
Yes, of course this. That said, one of the most toxic manosphere memes is "AWALT": All Women Are Like That. All women are not anything except for the trivial (e.g., carbon-based, living on Earth, subject to the laws of physics) because there are 2.5 billion adult women in the world. There are some amazing women out there, and some terrible ones, but if you start buying into red/black-pill culture and develop the idea that they're all shitty, then you're in for a bad few years until you deprogram the toxic ideas out of your head.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-05-10
Well we are, so congrats you got out but we can't.
Once again, we don't. It's amazing how many men like you think because they missed opportunities you can relate to us. We have been openly mocked for our looks by women for years, we were never given "sexual opportunities".
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
Most of the public incels are average-looking guys.
Truly ugly people are pretty rare. Most people in their prime (25–45) are hot to someone if they're in decent shape.
Well, now I'm glad I didn't take those opportunities. (I wasn't always, back then.) Like I've said, I'm a happily married 34-year-old, so all the encounters that happened before I met my wife are pretty meaningless.
That happens to everyone. Some women are evil bitches, just like some men are psychopaths and rapists. And the nasty women mock other women (regardless of whether they're hot) more than they mock men.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-05-10
Of course, the truly ugly ones know enough to not post their pictures online.
That wasn't the point, the point was you had those opportunities and that indicates you were somewhat attractive, you just had low self confidence. We never had those opportunities, so we know it isn't a confidence issue, we really are just ugly.
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way about yourself. I don't know what your physical issues are, but they might not be as severe as you think. When I was 19, I was underweight and had acne. At 34, I'm a solid 5 but there's enough variation that some women find me hot. Chances are, although you're not in the ~5% that can get away with murder, you're in that >90% who is just average and not the <5% who is seriously unattractive. Hitting the gym is the first step. Michael Phelps would be "facecel"– he's an excellent athlete but not at all good-looking, genetically speaking– but I'm sure he's quite attractive to women for his body.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-05-10
I've tried the "hit the gym, get social friends, go out and meet people" stuff and you know what it taught me? It proved for me that I am definitely in the bottom 5%. I am literally short, ugly, and Indian, and girls make it very obvious the second I show romantic interest is the second our friendship is over.
1 SkankHunter1488 2018-05-10
Average isn't good enough if you're a guy.
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
Actually, it is good enough. The physical determinism in incel culture– "I'm 5'7 and have a 35th-percentile dick, so all women will see me as second rate"– is self-defeating and incorrect. If you're a 50th-percentile (or even 20th-percentile) guy who works out, has ambition and a good personality, and isn't afraid to ask a girl what she wants in bed– being good in bed has a lot more to do with listening to women, and getting past the hangups that are all-too-common in our prudish-yet-perverse culture, than having a big "package"– women will find you to be a catch. It starts to get really good around age 25–30. It's still hard to find the right person– someone with similar tastes in literature, political and spiritual views, and ambitions– but attracting women gets really easy.
It's not like there's a real thing called an "objective 6". The best-looking guys are sexually attractive to about 50% of women. Above-average guys are sexually attractive to about 20% of women (and will get rejected 80% of the time). Average guys are attractive to about 10%. So, yeah... you'll get rejected a fair amount if you're "just average". But good-looking guys get rejected too.
If you include mutual "this isn't going there" endings and breakups, you'll probably be rejected 100–500 times before you find someone you can marry. It fucking hurts. I know that it hurts because I've been there. But it's worth it.
What you need to understand is that rejection isn't what it was in our evolutionary frame. When we lived in tribes of 50–150 individuals, getting rejected meant being humiliated in front of your whole tribe. So the stakes were high, and that's why our brains punish the fuck out of us when we get rejected. But now we live in a global society where there are billions of adult women. Which is awesome, because you can find a way better match than you'd be able to find in a 50–150 person tribe. It also means you'll get rejected a lot more, because the standard for personal connection is higher, but also because women are quicker to realize if it won't work out. But, like I said, it's fucking worth it in the end.
As for "most women think average-looking men are ugly", you're citing a 2009 OkCupid study that, in fact, found that men on the site were often underrated. You have to consider a few factors, but the main one is that female appraisal of male looks is highly context-dependent. Women on dating sites get a lot of spam attention from low-quality men who just want quick sex and aren't willing to put in the least bit of work to get it. You have to overcome the negative social inference of being on a dating site. It's hard, but enough men can overcome that social inference that the sites work well enough to stay in business.
1 SkankHunter1488 2018-05-10
Women don't want men to work for it, retard. They just want them to be 6'2" with a chiseled face.
1 UndeadPhlebotomist 2018-05-10
I had zero luck until I was 23 (half my current age) and hardly any until I was 26. Now I know there are uglier people and there are people who have worse luck. I have no happy message of guaranteed success. Might happen, might not. But you can't reliably extrapolate a flat line out to forever. One guy I know, I think he had no luck at all until 30, but he kept it together, he got his shot, and they have a teenage kid now.
Of course there are no guarantees of future luck, not even "love yourself" or "self improvement". If this were just a support board, I'd have no problem with it. It's not a small thing. Personally I stopped being miserable about my nonexistent dating luck only when my luck finally improved.
It's the fishing advice from people who never caught a fish you should watch out for. If you treat a woman you might be interested in like an alien or in a way you wouldn't put up with yourself, that's not bad luck, that's self sabotage. You don't want a woman who will put up with that, and few will put up with it for long anyway.
1 DavidJewenstein 2018-05-10
Your comment is so obviously a woman bullshitting.
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
I'm a pretty effeminate guy. I have two cats that I love to death. This is a pretty serious disadvantage before 25– ER was quite good looking, but effeminate– but it's not a problem once you're older and can find women who are into what you are.
1 hirayama_ronin 2018-05-10
Women in America and Western Europe are definitely very different from female populations in other parts of the world. There are a lot of women living in traditional societies who are NAWALT. But AWALT is a good rule of thumb.
The idea that men should not be cautious around women is ludicrous in the #metoo, divorce-rape era.
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
Not as much as you think. People are people. Not to say that I agree, but you could turn this on its head: wouldn't you prefer a woman who grew up in a hypersexed culture and chose virtue over one who (in your model of the more conservative parts of the world) had less of a choice?
Conservative cultures aren't as moral as you might think, though. Infidelity still exists, everywhere in the world. And, thanks to the Internet, anyone can get corrupted, but anywhere you go, there will be people who don't.
No, it's really not. There are 100 million adult women in the US. Some of them are absolutely terrible and dangerous, but others are beautiful and kind. As with men, the whole spectrum exists.
You know that women have had to be cautious around men for 250,000 years, right?
I agree. Be cautious. Don't have sex in ambiguous circumstances. Wait for enthusiastic consent from someone you like and trust.
"Divorce rape" isn't as gendered as MRAs make it out to be. The result of most divorces is that men and women both suffer, financially speaking. Married people who can support each other if one partner loses a job can also take more risks and do better at all. Then there are the logistical expenses– legal fees, childcare, additional transportation– of breaking the family up.
There are a few alimony socialites (and Mike Cernovich is a male alimony socialite) who come out ahead on divorce, but they're the exception. For the vast majority of people, divorce leaves both parties worse off. Whether the man or woman gets screwed more has more to do with who has a better lawyer than anything else.
1 hirayama_ronin 2018-05-10
The premise of anthropology is that cultures can be radically different. Apparently you know more than all the anthropologists in the world. You also know more than me, someone who has actually witnessed first hand the differences in culture in many places in the world today.
I suspect you haven't spent a year outside of North America or Western Europe.
Politically, I would prefer it if women would refrain from destroying society with their hypergamy. Personally, I prefer women to keep their distance. More to your point, for the average man, traditional expectations of male-female relations are far superior to what feminism has instilled in Western women today.
A cursory glance at divorce statistics will prove you wrong. Women initiate most of the divorces, and they do so for lame reasons. They get the house and the kids. This is divorce-rape. It is rampant, and men are waking up to this. Don't blame men for the decisions women have collectively made.
You are a gynocentric cuck who has to start every argument from the perspective of the wounded female. You can't begin your thought anywhere else.
Enthusiastic consent can be retroactively revoked. This is the new front on the war against male sexuality.
Men by far pay more and lose more in divorce. The greatest loss in many cases is the loss of ready access to children. Women get custody by default, and men have to beg for scraps.
I know your next move will be to denigrate men and fathers as being deadbeat. That isn't just a fact, that is what people like you want. You're a sick, anti-male gynocentric feminist apologist of all the evils women do.
FYI, I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. You have brought no facts, only conjecture, and I have better things to do.
I'll leave you with a tid bit. If feminism is doing so great for everybody, why is feminism amassing so many disparate enemies? The feminist answer that women's equality means privileged males only appear to suffer is self-serving. Feminism is making real enemies, for real reasons, and it isn't because feminism is fair and just. Women are getting worse. Men are getting worse. Your apologetics are accomplishing nothing.
1 DaiMiVsi4ko 2018-05-10
Incel theories and all these black pills explain my whole life tbh..
I always knew deep down I am a lost cause but I soldiered on through life and wondered why I was getting nowhere with women because I was still blue pilled and believed i actually had any influence on my success with women to begin with.
Now that I am blackpilled everything that I observed all these years suddenly made sense
1 chadbhava 2018-05-10
Fkoff
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-05-10
The power of groupthink and repetition.
Looks are important in sex and romance, and they even influence to an extent how people are treated socially and professionally, to an extent.
The blackpill just takes these uncontroversial truths and extrapolates them into wild, generalized hate (while ignoring all other points, e.g. how interpersonal factors influence perceived attractiveness) pretending their bigoted exaggerations are still backed by relatively modest evidence.
1 thejarjarbinks69 2018-05-10
We always knew, we were just afraid to confront the truth.
A lot of us never should have came here.
1 RosalieAndShit 2018-05-10
Thats sad. But I guess the ideology here attracts only the scummiest people, so its ok, we wont miss you.
1 6ix9ineZooLane 2018-05-10
You people never accepted me anyway so nothing has really changed.
1 sfcel 2018-05-10
Word. The awarness of these fucks I swear...
1 afucknretard 2018-05-10
I know it's not what you mean but "converted to inceldom" makes it sound like it became impossible for you to get laid after reading this sub.
1 smurbulock 2018-05-10
Same boat as OP tbh. The black pill is beyond true and the only evidence you will ever need for it is as easily gathered as watching people interact in a bar or coffee shop. Also the memes here are hilarious lmao.
1 Loferix 2018-05-10
Me too. I heard about incels, and I checked out the original r/incels subreddit and how it’s crazy or someshit, but I got brutally blackipilled in like the first day I lurked here, the science, the theories, they all added up. I’m blackpilled af now no going back lmao
1 imadethistoshitpostt 2018-05-10
You cant convert to being involuntary celibate you brainlet...
You can however be blackpilled. So yeah, go ahead and spread the word you have been BLACKED
1 JoelBloomSlayer 2018-05-10
On and off. I was never really on an “incel” forum but I was on other forums that propagated aspects of the incel philosophy.
There’s a lot of taboo truth here, for sure. But of course too much of anything can be a bad thing.
1 restlessly_injected 2018-05-10
This is the most self-aware place on the internet.
1 dungeonbrain 2018-05-10
Yup, it happened to me. I browsed the old Incel subreddit a few times but it always felt a bit too radical to me. After the media started publishing hit pieces on incels after the Toronto attacks (odd how they don't do that after Muslim attacks), I gravitated here. Things are a bit toned down here (though the hate is still strong, understandably) so I find myself coming back and lurking more and more. I'm not ready to start throwing around labels and lingo in a hateful frothing rage just yet, but a lot of the posts here hit me hard. I've always bemoaned the fact that women have it *so much* easier than men when it comes to relationships/dating/sex, at least now I know I'm not alone in that line of thought.
1 harambeazn 2018-05-10
thats how i felt when i browsed lookism for the first time. i stopped using that site a while ago but i took the blackpill due to looking into that sites philosophy
1 r2401 2018-05-10
At first I came to laugh at virgin losers. But there's some truth to the blackpill I had never considered. Of course looks matter a ton and anyone who claims otherwise loses credibility.
But i started to think about how modern culture and technology are in fact facilitating hypergamy, the evidence for this is strong and the long term implications troubling. So I was converted in a sense.
That said incels overstate everything and their way of dealing with their situation is counter productive. So in that sense I am not converted.
1 r00000000 2018-05-10
Unironically, I'm thinking of converting to Islam after discovering the Blackpill.
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-05-10
Same
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-10
I'm no incel, but am often here for the humor. But I do hear the call of the void..LDAR is always an option.
1 BF8211 2018-05-10
Basically. You read things and think "what a crock of shit." But then you begin to see the blackpill happening right before your eyes in everyday life. Then it happens again, and again, and again until you finally start to realize that women are superficial and fake, hundreds of times more than men.
1 Blackcocks2cel 2018-05-10
Some of that is just confirmation bias though.
1 RPGcel 2018-05-10
i went to the old incel sub about half a year ago or so, when i kept hearing it other subs mentioning it and i thought 'they're prob a bunch of losers' since every sub was hating on it then when i went there i realized it was basically what my life is jfl
1 dynamicboostedanimal 2018-05-10
I i think i am starting to be incel not sure yet.....
1 mrThesselrot 2018-05-10
Braincels is the best sub their is. Everything else is moot.
1 hirayama_ronin 2018-05-10
Celibacy gives the incels meme superpowers.
1 r4risbullshit 2018-05-10
This was me at mid 2015.
1 hirayama_ronin 2018-05-10
I'm not incel, but my life has had incel moments. I'm not blackpill, but I get why somebody might be. r/Braincels is a massive shit fest, but reading between the lines I find a lot of truth.
The truth is, most women have to put very little effort to be valued by men, while men have to put much greater energies into being valued by women. And some men, no matter how much energy they put in, will never be valued by women. Some males can be wrong about whether they are members of this sad segment of humanity, as inceltears assholes like to remind us. But the fact is, this segment exists.
I wouldn't call this a conversion. It's something I have known since I was a teenager. More fundamentally, men have to prove their worth, while women are entitled to it. Women have never faced the extreme exclusion men have faced, and that is one reason why I am anti-feminist, pro-incel.
I think young men who are suffering in this way deserve our sympathy and engagement, like women deserve orgasms and men servicing their emotional vampirism, and all the other entitlements women receive from blue pilled cucks.
It is telling that people "concerned" about incels after Toronto have spent most of their energies humiliating them, or handing out lame blue-pill advice, without even contemplating the hard truth of the black pill.
What it tells me is that gynocentrism is real, meaning men who suffer like incels are just losers who will never be taken seriously because they have no value to women.
I reject that categorically.
1 foreignincel4 2018-05-10
agreed all the og incels left
1 kingfansam 2018-05-10
Yep I know that. I don’t claim to relate to anyone here at all. I of course don’t know what it is like. However, I’m always respectful and nice here. If someone wants to ban me they totally can. But I’ve never come here with the intention to brag or make anyone feel shitty.
1 michaelochurch 2018-05-10
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way about yourself. I don't know what your physical issues are, but they might not be as severe as you think. When I was 19, I was underweight and had acne. At 34, I'm a solid 5 but there's enough variation that some women find me hot. Chances are, although you're not in the ~5% that can get away with murder, you're in that >90% who is just average and not the <5% who is seriously unattractive. Hitting the gym is the first step. Michael Phelps would be "facecel"– he's an excellent athlete but not at all good-looking, genetically speaking– but I'm sure he's quite attractive to women for his body.
1 The_Real_Cannaman 2018-05-10
Same