Honestly, if you tried all of the above without success... what’s that saying?

If everyone you meet is an asshole, you’re the asshole.

It says he's ugly.

I mean, plenty of ugly people are doing just fine with dating and relationships. Any other theories?

Nah man looks theory btfo.

I guess all those ugly people in relationships aren’t actually in relationships because “muh internet science”? Seems legit

Ugly males who are in relationships have 0power in the relationship,very often are a betabuxx and are in"open relationships"where the girl fucks Chads all day.

Man, that bullshit is like a safe space for you right? It’s funny, because you followed up internet science with some word soup that has even less behind it than looksism.

Care to try again?

I'm joking obviously being elephant man means nothing and if you just bee yourself you will be slaying prime white 13yo jbs.

I promise there are a plethora of people with massive physical deformities who have wives and children.

A little googling would show you that. You probably knew that though right?

There are rich people who are depressed and kill themselves,does that mean money has no impact in one's life? There are big guys who are weak/small strong guys,does that mean size has no correlation with strength? There are femail mma fighters who can beat up a lot of men,does that mean men and women are equal strength?

Check and mate, well done

You have no idea what you are talking about.

its all luck. there is no you have to do this or that for an incel. it may work for an averge looking person, but for an incel, then there is that 1 in a million girl who is out there.

Seems like that one in a million happens a whole lot considering how many people are in relationships or married throughout their lives. It’s almost like an excuse....

excuse for what exactly?

Excuse for a lack of success with the opposite sex.

then what is the reason for my lack of success?

Posting on obscure Reddit forums,girls can sense that just by looking at your haircut.

name some ugly guys with girls watch them be chadlites and you're just brainwashed

All thos me ugly people in relationships are the survivorship bias you experience because you’re easily manipulated and have low IQ.

Lots of ugly people are married. Lots of ugly unsuccessful people are married. Only the most pathetic people just give up and move to this pathetic "incel" crap. You all think it's about looks, and it is partially, but having shitty personalities is also a big part of it.

Meeks.

I feel bad for you, but I feel worse for people who have to know you. Luckily there are very few.

I also feel bad for people who know me,no one should have to look at my subhuman skull.

So do something about it? Just make sure you do it to yourself, not others, if you catch my drift.

Are you suggesting I kill myself or take a shower?

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If everyone you meet is an asshole, you’re the asshole.

Apply that shit to incels. Now your false dichotomy ceases.

yeah, if we're all assholes, and they're not able to find a couple nice incels (like some normies have), then maybe they're the asshole

lmfao

I'm only an asshole online, not real life. Next.

if you push them far enough, you'll get them to admit that it's absolutely over for some men on this planet

but for some ridiculous reason they won't believe we are those people

It’s because they can’t see what you look like.

To quote George Carlin:

“Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.”

You are the paint in this scenario.

Haha you fucking scum we're going to kill you all

Oh btw please give us face pics and a copy of your passport so that we can just see how attractive you are teehee that's all we want to do with it just fax us a copy of your passport it's no big deal

It’s like they reset every day. You get them to admit that looks is the most important thing in dating, they tell you “yes, life is not fair, get over it” and next day they will tell you that if you just improved yourself, you’d be swimming in pussay.

I genuinely believe at least 80% of the population is retarded.

They're all fucked

Just ldar and eventually rope. There's absolutely no way to win here. Only fall in line, get cucked, and die.

MGTOW is the final cope. After some time it isn’t worth beating yourself up every day that you weren’t born as Chad.

I think I'm slowly descending to stage 1.

jfl, our one chance at life, and we got stuck with genetic trash

removing yourself from society, working to get enough money to move out in the woods somewhere, and spending the rest of your days out there alone, maybe with a dog, is literally the only thing i fantasize about, other than meeting a sweet, humane, and dignified death when the normies come to cull us

I wish you luck in doing what you want. That sounds even worse to me though. I'd probably just blow my brains out in the cabin.

it'd definitely extend the years of my life, maybe to 40, but yeah i think i rope when the dog dies

Definitely. Animals are great, even they can love you no matter what. If it wasn't for my cat and my dad I'd rope already.

cat vs dog?

Living, self sufficiently, is extremely hard work. Just make you're ready for that.

But depending on how luxurious you want to be you really don't need much more than an axe, a fixed blade, maybe a foldable one, and some (lots of) know how.

Even chads see it that way now,and they got the right mindset . Chase money not bitches.

I would consider MGTOW but the community is still so cucked by women it's unbelievable. Their entire sub is literally only talking about women, so much for "going their own way"

It's because once you hate someone/a group of people, everything they say is wrong. If an incel was arguing with a normie and the incel said "1+3=4" the normies would say they are wrong. Therefore they won't accept anything you say.

facts

Exactly. People blinded by hatred. They know the truth, yet they don't want to agree with or admit the person who they see as an enemy, is right.

That cuts both ways. We tell you there’s hope, and because we post on IT we’re automatically credulous fools.

Because the advice is bullshit that hasn't worked, and if you post on IT you are a bully to incels because that is what the sub is about, it's literally called IncelTears. Why would I want to take advice that I know doesn't work from the people who bully me for being a fucking loser.

I give advice that does work. The people who take it succeed and quit posting. There are ex-incels who have listened to the general consensus over at IT and gotten their lives on track.

Then those weren't real incels. They are just failed normies. There is a distinct difference between the two.

Stop identifying as an incel. Quit the message boards and forums. Be an individual. Recognize that the only one holding you in this pit of misery is you. Be brave enough to do that and the rest is technique.

LOL. It's funny that you ignored me saying I have already tried this. Do you not understand I and many others only came here AFTER failing and realizing that it's over? This place is literally all I fucking have and I'm supposed to leave and keep trying until I'm an old washed up fuck? If things keep going this way, lucky for me I won't be here that long.

That’s about right, yes. The only person who can save you is you, same as everyone else.

I'm so tired of hearing that bullshit statement. No shit. When your brain is fucked up it kind of makes that impossible. I wish I could be a normie like you. Why don't you tell my doctor to actually help me? Because she won't listen to me. There's nothing to be postive about when you're a depressed socially inept loser fuck like me.

What doesn’t she listen to?

She doesn't listen to me when I tell her what the problems are and that I need something strong and the little baby pills she keeps giving me don't do anything at all. I wish she would either help me or just write a prescription for some Xanax so I can be a zombie and not feel like I do. If I had the choice I would get rid of my biological desire for a mate and to create a family and build a life with them, but seeing as that's never going to happen I don't know what the hell to do because nothing distracts me and nothing makes me happy , and I can't do anything about it because there's something wrong with me that apparently can't be fixed

Can you get a new doctor?

This is like the 4th doctor. And yes I have a therapist all that happens is he asks me questions and I tell him how much I suck over and over again while he tells me to try doing something I normally wouldn't while I sit here and just want to kill myself after I leave

It sounds like you have some work to do on yourself before you’re ready for therapy, and it sounds like that work is to internalize what I said several posts ago. You don’t want therapy to work because you’re comfortable blaming others for your terrible attitude. Switch up your medication and do what successful people have told you to do. Maybe after you choose to do that, you’ll be in a place where therapy can help. It won’t until then.

I'm in therapy because I'm trying to work on myself. Its is supposed to help me be normal isn't it? Talking about my problems isn't going to fix my life. I want the shit to work but it won't. My attitude has nothing to do with it. I'm only this way because of the hand I've been dealt. It's not anybody else's fault or mine, it's god or the universe or whatever it was that put me here and didn't allow me to be normal. Life was designed for suffering for people like me, that's all there is to it. There is no fixing this face or my brain. Thanks for trying to help though.

And it doesn't help that we get treated like shit and ostracized by literally everyone because we're ugly or autistic or weird. People are the fucking problem, actually.

Bitter gets you no sympathy from me. I like people. I don’t think they’re a problem at all. I think the world is composed of individuals first and groups second.

You control your attitude and your actions, and they are what determine your fate. Read the Stoics. Read Frederick Douglass. Smart people figured this stuff out long ago, but you’re smarter than they are, right?

I don't want sympathy I want help. I'm not smarter than they are I don't know where you got that from, I'm a genetic waste who just wants to have the family and relationships I've never been a part of and I can't even fucking accomplish that. There is no way to be except bitter in my situation. I'm a realist, I don't put up a fake mask and pretend everything is rainbows and bubblegum, because it's just not. And I refuse to lie to myself just to inevitably breakdown and drive off a cliff one day anyway.

Climb down off the cross. We get one life and you are wasting yours by being perverse and willfully stupid. You are getting good advice and you are throwing it in the faces of those who are giving it to you. Do you want to die of the illness you’re being treated for?

Why do you keep saying the same things? What good advice? It hasn't worked, what don't you get. How can I break down my situation any more? Lol it's always the same with normies, you just ignore everything I say about how I've already tried everything people have told me to help, and they always end up being WRONG.

It doesn’t work because you don’t want it to. That’s the big secret. That’s what those of you who call us ordinary, happy people “failed normies” don’t get. You are invested in an identity, of which all these stupid little labels play an integral part. IDENTIFYING AS “AN INCEL” IS YOUR PROBLEM. If you stop doing that and identify as an individual, the advice will start to work.

You don't understand mental illness, a person cannot will themselves out of mental illness. Your words mean nothing to him.

Fixing depression requires effort as well as medication.

Probably personality disorder as well, you cannot effort out of a personality disorder.

Did I seriously just sit here and try to talk to you about this just to get fucking trolled? I don't want it to? Who wants to be fucking miserable? Okay, I'm done here. Goodbye, you have just engrained into my brain that normies REALLY don't know what the fuck they are talking about And just bullshit when they don't know what else to say. When I say incel, I'm saying it because it's easier than saying hugless, kisslesss, virgin loser everytime. I come here because I'm weak and have nowhere else to go, these people are the ONLY ones who understand my pain. The ONLY people.

How old are you?

Yeah this sub probably isn't that great for the mind, but like I said, I have nowhere else. I'm 18.

Oh, for fuck’s sake. You have a case of shitty teenage attitude and major depressive disorder. Get out of this place. Finish school and grow up. This should be a blip in your life that you outgrow, and it will be if you deradicalize yourself and try living.

Yeah, I believe it.. It's all futile. Ive never been good and normal and I dont know what else to try that I already haven't. Thanks for trying to help though man, I guess.

Don't listen to him, dude. Right now, you're at the age where you're discovering whether you're an incel or not. You might be, you might not be, it's hard to say for sure whether you're a "truecel" until like 25+, but it's ridiculous that the guy above is trying to discredit the way you feel about your life. Keep this in mind, normies do not understand us. It's like a white person lecturing a black person about racism, telling him "Nuh uh, there's no way that police stop you more than white people." Normies just don't understand

Get thee behind me, Satan.

Can I use what you just said as a karma farm? I was kind of with you until just now. This is literally the funniest shit I've ever seen.

Jesus. If you like. You’re okay, kid, even if you don’t think you are. Everyone has their dark moments. Just get past them. I think you will. You’re not an idiot and you’re capable of articulating your pain.

I'd like to hope so. My whole life has been this way, for the most part. I've never had the experience of being with and having friends or experimenting with a member of the opposite sex to find out what I like and she likes, and how to properly engage with females. I'm sure I come off as strange partly because I just don't know how to have or even start an intimate relationship.. or relationship of any kind, at that. You know, Ive come down a bit since a few hours ago, and I honestly feel guilty about how I have started to treat people, I get into such a blind jealous rage when I see people even mentioning something to do with love because I'm starved of that and any kind of human connection, I just want to feel that so bad, but I've failed at trying to fix myself numerous times and I guess I'm just getting sick of it. I know you are right though, it's just difficult for me to admit it. But here I am, admitting it. I hope you are right, that I will be okay.

Message me if you want to talk. Chat isn’t the best because my schedule is hectic, but if you PM me I’ll get back to you.

Nobody on IT is bullying you for being a loser.

I'm surrounded by idiots every day.

I'm one of those people. I simply believe there are opportunities for most of you.

Been around the world to see that only stupid people are breeding.

Some of you are those people, sure. But many of you are not and don’t have to be.

sure, rationalize your presence here all you want

It’s a hard thing to ignore

And you know that how?

I believe you. But you spend time as part of a subculture that glories in pathetic whining backed by absurd attempts at 'science' and underpinned by a blanket hatred and denigration of all women.

So fuck you. You deserve over, and worse. Deal with all the implications or leave the gang.

Lol you're a fucking idiot grow up man

This had nothing to do or even addressed the point.

Do you just blindly try to assert maturity to any venting topic?

There is no point in being reasonable with you guys. It was my last comment before I gave up and unsubbed.

How is he wrong it's literally what always happens. People give advice and when we tell them that hasn't worked, they just turn it right around and keep saying the same shit. And it all contradicts each other.

If you're looking for a loving relationship in those places, you are gonna have a bad time. All the decent girls I know make a point not to get with guys at clubs and things. And if you think you're gonna find a decent person on Tinder, you're gonna gave a really bad time. I firmly believe incels are just completely missing the point about how women think. Misery loves company.

Yeah I know, I don't go on Tinder or to clubs because the women at both of those places are even worse than women who aren't. A woman won't even give me the time of day anywhere because I'm ugly and apparently they can sense I'm autistic as fuck from the way I act. Most incels come here to bitch and complain because it's all there is to do when you get to a certain point. Some people aren't meant to find love and that's hard to accept, and nobody else wants us around.

Dude Is seriously trying to convince everyone that tinder, bars, online dating don’t work for any men instead of coming to the realization that it’s him who is the problem and that’s why he fails meeting women in every scenario. This is monumental ignorance. If everyone is giving you the same reaction then it’s prob not them who is at fault, bud. Anyone here can go on tinder and find ugly dudes, so they obviously use it no problem, also anyone who has been to a bar sees ugly dudes mingling with females. Stop trying to convince people the whole world ( which you can’t change) is backwards and against you and adapt you pussy... or die off like weak people do.

this is bullying, the blue pill does have an entire generation of men thinking it's their fault, this causes depression.

I've seen more ugly men at the bars go back home with the same four ugly niggas they came with lol

That dude is coping like no tomorrow

I keep saying this but if your interests included MDMA and cocaine and you were always holding you'd make out like a bandit with certain women

Quite being nerds and become freaks. I've seen the ugliest connects in the world get more action than their chad customers. They literally sleep with chad's girlfriends

yeah, just do super illegal shit and probably end up in jail. wow. that's really great advice.

How bad do you want to get your end away?

volcel

I'm not an anything-cel. that was just objectively bad advice

Hey now, maybe in jail they'll become "innocels." Involuntarily non-celebate.

Problems solved, boys.

Yeah I guarantee that if I took illegal drugs into a club to pretend to be cool then I would immediately get taken down by a swat team and given the maximum possession sentence.

That's just the first law of social dynamics, the worst possible outcome in any social situation is the most likely.

yes!

Just do illegal shit bro.

Dude. Many ugly fat losers get married. You are the problem, and the problem can be fixed. Step one would be distancing yourself from enabling communities and working on your rage issues.

This is all very sad. My only hope is that many of you are young and will get over this angsty nonsense forever. Only person making it hopeless is yourself.

Please stop posting in places like this. Please just improve yourself. This is pathetic.

Fuck off this forum, cuck.

Nah. I'm good.

Hi good, I'm dad!

Reddit cuckoldry has taken its hold on braincels, RIP.

Most people here are at critical moment in their lives and you proceed to talk shit.

If by "critical moment in their lives" you mean "have regressed socially to the point of circlejerking and crying with other losers instead of bettering themselves or just growing up" then, sure, that's what I'm doing.

No, your own skewed view of reality makes you believe that their participation on the sub is the only factor that matter, the real world and it's conditions also matters, ignoring such conditions is a display of ignorance and basic social abilities.

You are a sad and weak individual, and everyone knows it. It is only your fault, and insulting your betters will not fix your life. Do not respond again. I have gotten my laughs out of you and have blocked you. Enjoy jerking off forever, and knowing deep down you could have fixed it.

Lol, why would I need to improve myself if my looksmatch is having orgies with Chad every night.

Foids are the fucking same on any medium, fact.

Not true. You forgot the signature "bro," bro

Dont listen to their logic because it only applies to people like them or mentalcels who arent ugly. Honestly i dont think any advice will work.

This is a massive social problem.

Totally agree.

14% of all millennial men admit to being sexless (not having sex in the last year). They didn’t do that voluntarily.

Normies believe just because they found a girlfriend everyone else should be able to, without realizing their girlfriend is total garbage and is most likely DMing dozens of dudes on the side, meeting up with them, going on dates with them and fucking them behind their back.

Incels and Normies recieve the same treatment from women- nothing but abuse, exploitation and hate. The only difference is, Incels expect better while Normies believe it to be normal.

Hey, elitecel, just a quick heads-up:
recieve is actually spelled receive. You can remember it by e before i.
Have a nice day!

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Fuck off

Well I'm sure that not definitely took that on board.

Oh my god he said fuck off to a bot on the internet surely his personality must be the problem. Case closed! Want us to peek at your post history to get a glimps at your wonderful personality?

Lmao, go right ahead matey, make my day.

I think most people probably meet there S.O at school, work, or through other friends .

Yeah i get it, but i wanna see yet a detailed tutorial on how to make a woman your gf... Maybe one day they will make it...

I dunno if this is any help to you guys, but I've struck out every single day I've been to a club and dating apps have been useless for me in multiple countries except for finding girls that are way below my standards.

I met my current gf through a social app that had strict rules against sexual harassment. I got on her good side by avoiding any sexual discussion until after we started dating, and avoided romantic discussion. Most of our conversation was playful and friendly, no sense of romantic desire until she started complimenting my looks (I didn't make the first move, just made her feel like it was okay), and then after I got on her good side I just straight up said "hey why don't we meet in person." That took a lot of time and I had to convince her I was not thirsty by basically treating her like I had no romantic interest in her until she trusted me enough that she had romantic interest in me.

If I had to rely on dating apps to meet women, I would die alone. Sexual economists have pretty much proven that no matter how good or bad you are at meeting women, your odds are always worse online.

Anyway, what I think normies are saying is "avoid meat markets," which is true, because those are the places where chads dominate. Your average dude has far better odds at some place where he can find a shared value with a woman, like a sports club, hobby group, book store, church, etc. and that's how most dudes actually meet women and have been meeting women since before internet dating and modern clubs.

You can hit me up if you want any tips, obviously I'm not an incel but I don't have anything against dudes who are having trouble finding something with women.

Your gf was fucking Chad the entire time she made you wait

I already knew someone would say that.

I'm not going to argue with you. I'm sure you know more about women and relationships than me.

Every since I discovered this sub and inceltears.. I walk down streets in Chicago and can pretty much categorize everyone into incel or inceltears user. The streets are like a literal sea of male sadness, and these fucking losers spend their nights in bars being 'social' aka getting a misery buzz off beer while refusing to acknowledge that they are neckbeards.

Give it enough time the same feminists would be complaining about how ugly men need to be banned from dance classes and other non-conventional settings and how women need a "safe space" from patriarchal creepy harassers.

Feminists of the IT variety are the same people who want to make it a hate crime just to approach a woman.

I got in trouble before just approaching when i was on the PUA stuff. That was back in the mid 2000's. Muh feminism wasn't as big of a cancer back then as it is now.

I know.they are so retarded they just try to cone up with something just to say it. Or maybe they met someone through a friend. But doesn't mean everyone can.

After you go through all these, what options are left? Going to dance classes?

If it's an option where you live, join a coed sports league. Pretty much everyone I socialize with at this point can be traced back to the first league I joined after college. It snowballs pretty quickly in that environment.

Also, a lot of women I've met on different teams specifically talk about joining as a way to meet guys because they don't like bars/clubs/tinder. This really isn't an uncommon opinion from my experience.

I was fighting with normies on a social-justice nerd site about women liking cocky men, they told me OKcupid and Tinder women don't count, women in bars and clubs don't count, women at church don't count, women in college don't count

hope. Cope. Rope.

Please don't do the last. Find something you love. And follow it. One day we'll be free bruddas. When the universe collapses on itself. We'll be free men!

Yeah, dating apps and bars are definitely not good places to meet anyone. How are you supposed to get to know someone if you can't even hear them? Anyway, I've had some luck meeting women through board games nights and through work, even if it hasn't totally panned out to be anything beyond platonic with any. It's at least nice to meet some people who have similar interests in the meantime. Possible constructive suggestion maybe? I hope so. It's hard to stay positive sometimes.

I mean, plenty of ugly people are doing just fine with dating and relationships. Any other theories?

Lots of ugly people are married. Lots of ugly unsuccessful people are married. Only the most pathetic people just give up and move to this pathetic "incel" crap. You all think it's about looks, and it is partially, but having shitty personalities is also a big part of it.

Definitely. Animals are great, even they can love you no matter what. If it wasn't for my cat and my dad I'd rope already.

I also feel bad for people who know me,no one should have to look at my subhuman skull.

Nah. I'm good.

Exactly. People blinded by hatred. They know the truth, yet they don't want to agree with or admit the person who they see as an enemy, is right.

Fixing depression requires effort as well as medication.