Those are real normies, not the failed ones who who use reddit and come here to feel superior for once in their life. Their life is much closer to the Incel one with the tiny difference that they might manage to get into an open relationship with a used up fat feminist whore at some point.
What does that even mean? Resources are limited and what I would have had is with someone else. The 'blame' is completely justified. And even more so when some people are disproportionately granted stuff that others don't even have a bit of.
Just remember, it is not because you havn't been offered the right things, had the right opportunities, had the right characteristics, or other such things. It is because you have gained a caustic personality in which you view everyone and everything other than yourself as a resource to be used for your gain.
And how do you know that this 'caustic' personality is the cause and not the effect of me being rejected? Don't go too far in your diagnoses, you just don't know enough to make one. Those who have had things easy, gotten what they wanted think its 'caustic' to view living beings as resources. Better ask someone who hasn't had it easy - we have learnt it the hard way.
I got to be honest I disagree. Your saying only people who get what they want think its caustic to view other human beings as something to be used. Like that is literally the most disconnected thing I have ever read. Have you been homeless? Have you starved for weeks before? Have you watched your loved ones cry themselves to sleep because neither you or them has any money for pain medicine? Your claim then should have everyone who goes through that view everyone else as a resource to be used up or even a small fraction of them thinking that way. Its not, and they don't. Your trying to justify a harmful position by claiming everyone else isn't enough of a victim to understand you.
lol normies may not have the most aesthetic faces or bodies as chads or chadlites, but they still experience more fun and adventure in life than incels.
Fake & gay, normies will go thru a lot of shit all their life, having a wife who is uglier tyen you, wasted from partying for so long, doesnt want to sex at all after taking several 100dicks during the years...who will jump at every Chad dick she feels all her life, bringing up kids who will get raised with a feminist mentality and you getting used as a betabux all your life...it doesnt look that great to me.
Wow, guys. Just, wow. I would start by arguing that the first three pictures on the left are MOST people. Because hardly anyone gets out of highschool without feeling like it was their outcast years. The people who don't feel that way are the top popular people, the QB of the football team, or the head cheerleader. And spoiler alert: High school is the happiest a LOT of those people will be, they'll never be that high on the food chain ever again in their lives, and they'll constantly be wishing for those days to return or feel like failures because they can't keep the "kingship" going. Meanwhile everyone else continues on their awkward way through college, and doesn't actually start living a full life until they've established careers. At 35, the "incels" as you call them (normal people as I would characterize them) are finally coming into their own, beginning to live and enjoy life for the first time, and perhaps going on their first dates. The former QBs and cheerleaders are wondering why they got married so young, wondering if they could have been something more than the life they choose, wondering why they never traveled or bothered to learn more about the world before settling down.
Mind you, neither of those stories is TOTALLY universal, but the idea of being bullied and being an outsider in high school and even college and not losing virginity until much older is your pretty average human tale. There's nothing outsider about it, at all.
Oh fuck off, the high-school QBs right now are on their way up the corporate ladder thanks to all the connections they built, the cheerleaders are becoming trophy wives for rich CEOs, and the normal people in high-school are happy and well adjusted.
Redditors and people on the internet in general have a skewed view of life because you idiots, just like us, we're outcasts and virgins until some roastie took pity on you or tried to use you for betabux after she hit the wall at terminal. Normal people DO NOT "start going on their first dates" at fucking 35, normal people are out losing their virginity in college and getting into long term relationships around their Junior year of Uni.
Jesus fucking Christ there truly are no normies on Reddit.
I'm a woman, and I'm married. The people have about when others lose their virginity are pretty skewed, whatever you say. Because people in their 20s lie a lot about how much ass they're getting.
People in their twenties lie a whole lot about how much sex they have, just like how women in their 30s lie about how much sex they didn't have in order to secure a gullible idiot to leech off of. Congrats on being married, don't go too hard on the poor idiot when you find a Chad to cuck him out of half his wealth with.
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? My husband can't work, I make 100% of the money that we have. I knew when I proposed to him that he would never be able to work. I have neither the desire nor any reason to cheat on him. There could not exist a better man in the world, so why would I bother with anyone else?
Also for the record: Uh, no, fuck you, I didn't "take pity" on my husband, I pursued him because he was the man I wanted. And I actually know at least two guys who were popular high school players: on can't keep a job to save his life (he kept re-applying to go over to the middle east because he couldn't figure out what to do with himself when he wasn't in the army) and the other one is a truck driver with a meth problem. Find me a swath of CEOs who are former football players... people who are CEOs now are people who went to engineering school or business school, not people who were good at sports coasting on an athletics degree. There are some rare people who are both good athletes and intellectual, A-students (surprisingly, one of those two popular footballers I mentioned, the truck driver, can be pretty intellectual), but normally you're good at one or the other, not both.
Also for the record: Uh, no, fuck you, I didn't "take pity" on my husband, I pursued him because he was the man I wanted
Of course he was, after you were done "having fun" and you were "ready to settle down". Did I hit a nerve, roastie?
CEOs, CFOs, and other top managers aren't chosen because of competency (in the majority of cases) - they are chosen for their connections and their track record (how much the companies they have managed improved, which often has little to do with them). The most well connected people are the kids who were popular throughout life and who made a good impression on the most people. The A-students are busy wageslaving under these people, very few nerds get to these upper echelons of corporations because at that level the corporate world revolves almost completely around who you know and who knows you.
Of the two examples you mentioned, you probably just know very mediocre people.
Wow, man. All I can say is I'm sorry you're hurting so bad, and I hope you get out of this hole some day. I'm confident you can, if you really want to. Via con Dios.
I realized it's probably more helpful if I break down the mistakes your making, instead of just letting them pass. You personally may be too far gone to hear me, but there'll always be lurkers who can be reached.
I've always been an introverted, anti-social nerd. Though I have had a few sexual partners, and my husband was a virgin when we met, I had always been searching for a life partner, not "having fun" in the sense that I assume you're trying to convey. Having someone with some sexual experience in the marriage is not a bad thing: it meant that I was able to un-embarrassingly communicate my sexual needs when we're in bed, and soon he was more than an expert at making me cum. In my younger days, I had no idea how to ask for that. We have a better marriage and a better sex life because I let other men take the brunt of my inexperienced earlier years.
getting angry at or blaming someone for having a sexual history is every bit as vile and unfair as being angry or blaming someone for being a virgin. NEITHER is a healthy state of society, and both come from the same shitty ideas about sex. If you want to see a better world for virgins, you'll have to deal with it also being a better world for non-virgins. If you want non-virgins to suffer above all else, you have to realize you're prolonging your own suffering, too.
It's true the CEO/CFO/Csuite situation doesn't necessarily have to do with competence. And it's absolutely true that "who you know" is often a major helper in getting any job. But you still do have to fulfill requirements like having an MBA, which means passing the GRE or GMAT to get in, and writing a master thesis to graduate. Do you think Tommy the QB went beyond a bachelor's degree?
One of the nice things about the world is that you find that nerds run everything after college.
Just to give an anecdotal example about CEOs, now retired Ivan Seidenberg, CEO of Verizon before it started getting shitty, worked his way up from a job as a Field Tech - a nerd ass job if ever there was one.
1.- There are studies that show the more sexual partners a woman has had, the more likely it is for her to end up divorced. This wouldn't be so bad if a divorce didn't fuck the men so fiercely in regards to alimony and the splitting of assets their wives contributed nothing towards acquiring.
I don't want a better world for virgins. I want to stop being one, and enter a long lasting, honest, faithful, committed relationship with a woman I can love. Since the chances of me finding that are 0, thanks to being ugly, brown and short, I'm settling for being an asshole to normies on the internet.
Business degrees are laughably easy to acquire. My sister's boss (a top level manager in the biggest Télécom company in Latin America) had somebody else do all his work for him through uni and his Master's, and focused on farming his connections and influence. My sister has to Master's, in Communication and in Information Systems, that she worked her ass off to get. Guess who earns a million bucks a year.
They actually don't. Nerds are busy wageslaving while attractive, high value men put on turtlenecks and glasses and pretend to be nerds to enthrall idiots to buy shitty tech products nerds designed. Politicians aren't nerds, they have more than top notch people skills. The Engineers who design and build shit certainly don't run the world, they're employed by the people who do.
To counter your anecdotal example, Tom Kirby, previous CEO of Games Workshop, Ltd. (a huge games company) had previous experience only in a dairy conglomerate, showing that you don't even need to know the first thing about what your company is selling to be appointed CEO. He was only sacked after GW stock plummeted after a particularly bad decision to scrap a product line that represented 25% of their total sales.
I mean... the reason you have little chance of finding a long lasting partner is because you hate humanity. You don't actually even want a long lasting partner. What would you do with one besides abuse them for being fatally human? I really think it's time for you to start saving up for a real doll.
Not even trying to refute anything and going straight for the wild assumptions and accusative, holier-than-thou bullshit. I'm gonna let Modcel handle this. u/GeneticCleansing
This is pretty much spot on. The only change I'd make is move 'Age 20' down to 18 and 'Age 35' down to 30. Do that and so far, that's pretty much exactly my life to date.
Heck, I'm even sitting at an office desk wearing a green shirt whilst typing this - just to show how close this is to reality for me.
Not even trying to refute anything and going straight for the wild assumptions and accusative, holier-than-thou bullshit. I'm gonna let Modcel handle this. u/GeneticCleansing
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1 Dumptruxer 2018-05-09
https://kek.gg/i/84MxmP.jpg
Thanks for the flashbacks asshole
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
Kek, tbh I would rather have a dog than some roastie wife when I'm 50.
1 drinktheirtears 2018-05-09
Honestly the incel column doesn't look all that bad.
Also roastie is a dumb word.
1 Plagerising 2018-05-09
Dude would instantly backwash every memory of calling woman roasties the moment a woman looked his way.
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
How do you know women aren't already looking my way?
1 Plagerising 2018-05-09
Because you call women roastie
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
So?
1 Incellect 2018-05-09
They can tell you have a bad personality because you don't look like a Chad. Didn't you know looks = personality?
1 IcyCriticism0 2018-05-09
Don't you love how they think they're witty?
People who "troll" here have such little going on in their lives that it would actually be a bit terrifying for the average person to glance into it.
1 mr_sinister_minister 2018-05-09
Lol
1 count_spankular 2018-05-09
roastie detected
1 Shazig 2018-05-09
Every time a woman has sex with a different dick shape, her vagina becomes looser.
1 Plagerising 2018-05-09
Not like it concerns you anyway
1 count_spankular 2018-05-09
u taostie?
1 drinktheirtears 2018-05-09
Tf is a toastie?
Jfc go outside.
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-09
Roastie is the best 'new' word in the last 10 years
1 ff_beer_money 2018-05-09
Liar. You would cut your right hand off if some woman let you claim on top of her for a few minutes.
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
No.
1 redoveryellow 2018-05-09
Your dog and your hand
1 subhumanforever 2018-05-09
Incel vs Chad***
Normies live more of a balanced life between partying and workcelling, and they sure as hell do not look that good by 35.
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
Those are real normies, not the failed ones who who use reddit and come here to feel superior for once in their life. Their life is much closer to the Incel one with the tiny difference that they might manage to get into an open relationship with a used up fat feminist whore at some point.
1 Salvador66 2018-05-09
FML! Normie face plus incel height = IT'S OVER
1 throwawaypill22 2018-05-09
This is literally my exact situation
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-05-09
Mine matches up until 35 lol
1 Vrishkin 2018-05-09
Mine matched up until 20, then I hit my glow up
1 CountyMcCounterson 2018-05-09
A chad doesn't even know what reddit is, why would he need to use computers when he spends all his time with real people
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-09
1 Nfc92 2018-05-09
Toy guys really need to stop blaming everyone else for being happier than you are. Seek help maybe
1 kushalkulkarni1991 2018-05-09
What does that even mean? Resources are limited and what I would have had is with someone else. The 'blame' is completely justified. And even more so when some people are disproportionately granted stuff that others don't even have a bit of.
1 SharpenedPigeon 2018-05-09
Are you actually saying women are a resource ?
1 kushalkulkarni1991 2018-05-09
Yes, both men and women if that makes you happy. Just because we have a layer of consciousness doesn't make that any less true.
1 Electronic_Bunny 2018-05-09
Just remember, it is not because you havn't been offered the right things, had the right opportunities, had the right characteristics, or other such things. It is because you have gained a caustic personality in which you view everyone and everything other than yourself as a resource to be used for your gain.
1 kushalkulkarni1991 2018-05-09
And how do you know that this 'caustic' personality is the cause and not the effect of me being rejected? Don't go too far in your diagnoses, you just don't know enough to make one. Those who have had things easy, gotten what they wanted think its 'caustic' to view living beings as resources. Better ask someone who hasn't had it easy - we have learnt it the hard way.
1 Electronic_Bunny 2018-05-09
I got to be honest I disagree. Your saying only people who get what they want think its caustic to view other human beings as something to be used. Like that is literally the most disconnected thing I have ever read. Have you been homeless? Have you starved for weeks before? Have you watched your loved ones cry themselves to sleep because neither you or them has any money for pain medicine? Your claim then should have everyone who goes through that view everyone else as a resource to be used up or even a small fraction of them thinking that way. Its not, and they don't. Your trying to justify a harmful position by claiming everyone else isn't enough of a victim to understand you.
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-09
why aren't the kids black?
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-09
There are a few beaners..
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-05-09
Lmao at the incel at 25. That's literally what I'm doing right now.
1 Darth-Incel 2018-05-09
Same, except I'm short and ugly
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-05-09
I'm also short and ugly. I'm 5'3" and a curry in the West.
1 Darth-Incel 2018-05-09
In Scandinavia?
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-05-09
No in the US. I've heard it's worst in the Scandinavian countries though.
That being said, it's horrible in the US.
1 Darth-Incel 2018-05-09
Idk how bad curries have it here. I'm 170cm which is like 5''7 I think. But since Scandinavians are giants it's like being 5"0-5"3 in the US
1 ledditorxD 2018-05-09
Are you the bald Indian janitor?
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-05-09
I will be in another 23 years.
1 Madeon929 2018-05-09
I’m 24 and it’s kinda me. fuck
1 bcat124 2018-05-09
Inaccurate. There should be a rope at age 30 and a grave afterwards.
1 Timomemo 2018-05-09
Try rope at age 25
1 headforthehills 2018-05-09
Age 50 looks comfymaxxed 😄
1 lonely_suicidal_cel 2018-05-09
You skipped the rope
1 yomommani88a 2018-05-09
link for that POV vid?
1 Detoxification- 2018-05-09
The incel at 25 and 50 isn't even that ugly.
1 VartanX 2018-05-09
Correction. An incel probably won't live to 70.
1 latinothrowaway321 2018-05-09
BRUTAL
1 RaidenXS_ 2018-05-09
looks like a list of terrible coping mechanisms and then the results of giving up.
1 squirdoxin 2018-05-09
What about 14?
1 harambeazn 2018-05-09
the incel became somewhat attractive at age 50 lol
1 based_meme 2018-05-09
Too late, boyo. IT'S TOO FUCKING LATE!
1 harambeazn 2018-05-09
lol normies may not have the most aesthetic faces or bodies as chads or chadlites, but they still experience more fun and adventure in life than incels.
1 cannuckgamer 2018-05-09
I feel pain now.
1 Chadbutblackpilled 2018-05-09
Left column but full NEET in a sunny country with legal marijuna doesnt sound too bad lol i’ll fk prostitute 4 times a month
1 mikepencetheincel 2018-05-09
Lol at making it to 70.
1 based_meme 2018-05-09
Would it kill you to be optimistic and dream a little? I need some life fuel.
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-09
Picasso sired a brat at age 80..
1 xlunare 2018-05-09
TIL I am an incel based on this post....
1 DankIncel 2018-05-09
Why a truecel wouldn't rope by 30 is beyond me
1 based_meme 2018-05-09
Holy fuck. Top octane suikerosene.
1 Hodor4275 2018-05-09
Feels bad man.
1 SyrusDrake 2018-05-09
I'd rather be stuck in a cubicle for all eternity than have kids.
1 redoveryellow 2018-05-09
Notes the time to make a change
1 Dellarie 2018-05-09
Cope
1 Zyklon_Bae 2018-05-09
The dead plant is the best part
1 Orbit-Man 2018-05-09
False dichotomy fallacy. Look it up.
1 izaihb 2018-05-09
No one is going to mention how we all grew up the same?
1 TheiWindFelt 2018-05-09
Nah bro. Age 35 is rope.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
And even then that's 5 years too late
1 Currycell92 2018-05-09
Cope. I will rope it by 30.
1 Grey_burn 2018-05-09
don't worry, society is going in a manner where inceldom will be the normie lifestyle.
1 GuyWithThermalShirts 2018-05-09
AccurateAF Lmao
1 CAPTINOSOME 2018-05-09
Yeah you'll be lonely if you let the kids who picked on you effect you into your adulthood.
1 futmut 2018-05-09
Fake & gay, normies will go thru a lot of shit all their life, having a wife who is uglier tyen you, wasted from partying for so long, doesnt want to sex at all after taking several 100dicks during the years...who will jump at every Chad dick she feels all her life, bringing up kids who will get raised with a feminist mentality and you getting used as a betabux all your life...it doesnt look that great to me.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
Wow, guys. Just, wow. I would start by arguing that the first three pictures on the left are MOST people. Because hardly anyone gets out of highschool without feeling like it was their outcast years. The people who don't feel that way are the top popular people, the QB of the football team, or the head cheerleader. And spoiler alert: High school is the happiest a LOT of those people will be, they'll never be that high on the food chain ever again in their lives, and they'll constantly be wishing for those days to return or feel like failures because they can't keep the "kingship" going. Meanwhile everyone else continues on their awkward way through college, and doesn't actually start living a full life until they've established careers. At 35, the "incels" as you call them (normal people as I would characterize them) are finally coming into their own, beginning to live and enjoy life for the first time, and perhaps going on their first dates. The former QBs and cheerleaders are wondering why they got married so young, wondering if they could have been something more than the life they choose, wondering why they never traveled or bothered to learn more about the world before settling down.
Mind you, neither of those stories is TOTALLY universal, but the idea of being bullied and being an outsider in high school and even college and not losing virginity until much older is your pretty average human tale. There's nothing outsider about it, at all.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
Oh fuck off, the high-school QBs right now are on their way up the corporate ladder thanks to all the connections they built, the cheerleaders are becoming trophy wives for rich CEOs, and the normal people in high-school are happy and well adjusted.
Redditors and people on the internet in general have a skewed view of life because you idiots, just like us, we're outcasts and virgins until some roastie took pity on you or tried to use you for betabux after she hit the wall at terminal. Normal people DO NOT "start going on their first dates" at fucking 35, normal people are out losing their virginity in college and getting into long term relationships around their Junior year of Uni.
Jesus fucking Christ there truly are no normies on Reddit.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
I'm a woman, and I'm married. The people have about when others lose their virginity are pretty skewed, whatever you say. Because people in their 20s lie a lot about how much ass they're getting.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
People in their twenties lie a whole lot about how much sex they have, just like how women in their 30s lie about how much sex they didn't have in order to secure a gullible idiot to leech off of. Congrats on being married, don't go too hard on the poor idiot when you find a Chad to cuck him out of half his wealth with.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? My husband can't work, I make 100% of the money that we have. I knew when I proposed to him that he would never be able to work. I have neither the desire nor any reason to cheat on him. There could not exist a better man in the world, so why would I bother with anyone else?
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
Also for the record: Uh, no, fuck you, I didn't "take pity" on my husband, I pursued him because he was the man I wanted. And I actually know at least two guys who were popular high school players: on can't keep a job to save his life (he kept re-applying to go over to the middle east because he couldn't figure out what to do with himself when he wasn't in the army) and the other one is a truck driver with a meth problem. Find me a swath of CEOs who are former football players... people who are CEOs now are people who went to engineering school or business school, not people who were good at sports coasting on an athletics degree. There are some rare people who are both good athletes and intellectual, A-students (surprisingly, one of those two popular footballers I mentioned, the truck driver, can be pretty intellectual), but normally you're good at one or the other, not both.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
Of course he was, after you were done "having fun" and you were "ready to settle down". Did I hit a nerve, roastie?
CEOs, CFOs, and other top managers aren't chosen because of competency (in the majority of cases) - they are chosen for their connections and their track record (how much the companies they have managed improved, which often has little to do with them). The most well connected people are the kids who were popular throughout life and who made a good impression on the most people. The A-students are busy wageslaving under these people, very few nerds get to these upper echelons of corporations because at that level the corporate world revolves almost completely around who you know and who knows you.
Of the two examples you mentioned, you probably just know very mediocre people.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
Wow, man. All I can say is I'm sorry you're hurting so bad, and I hope you get out of this hole some day. I'm confident you can, if you really want to. Via con Dios.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
I realized it's probably more helpful if I break down the mistakes your making, instead of just letting them pass. You personally may be too far gone to hear me, but there'll always be lurkers who can be reached.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
1.- There are studies that show the more sexual partners a woman has had, the more likely it is for her to end up divorced. This wouldn't be so bad if a divorce didn't fuck the men so fiercely in regards to alimony and the splitting of assets their wives contributed nothing towards acquiring.
I don't want a better world for virgins. I want to stop being one, and enter a long lasting, honest, faithful, committed relationship with a woman I can love. Since the chances of me finding that are 0, thanks to being ugly, brown and short, I'm settling for being an asshole to normies on the internet.
Business degrees are laughably easy to acquire. My sister's boss (a top level manager in the biggest Télécom company in Latin America) had somebody else do all his work for him through uni and his Master's, and focused on farming his connections and influence. My sister has to Master's, in Communication and in Information Systems, that she worked her ass off to get. Guess who earns a million bucks a year.
They actually don't. Nerds are busy wageslaving while attractive, high value men put on turtlenecks and glasses and pretend to be nerds to enthrall idiots to buy shitty tech products nerds designed. Politicians aren't nerds, they have more than top notch people skills. The Engineers who design and build shit certainly don't run the world, they're employed by the people who do.
To counter your anecdotal example, Tom Kirby, previous CEO of Games Workshop, Ltd. (a huge games company) had previous experience only in a dairy conglomerate, showing that you don't even need to know the first thing about what your company is selling to be appointed CEO. He was only sacked after GW stock plummeted after a particularly bad decision to scrap a product line that represented 25% of their total sales.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
I mean... the reason you have little chance of finding a long lasting partner is because you hate humanity. You don't actually even want a long lasting partner. What would you do with one besides abuse them for being fatally human? I really think it's time for you to start saving up for a real doll.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
Not even trying to refute anything and going straight for the wild assumptions and accusative, holier-than-thou bullshit. I'm gonna let Modcel handle this. u/GeneticCleansing
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-05-09
Thanks for tagging me. A little bit of virgin shaming, a little bit of harassing language, and all low effort + accusatory.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
No, Modcel, thank you for putting in the effort to keep our community free of these faggot normos.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Do you seriously think normies are going to parties and getting drunk at 15 while in middle school?
1 AT0MIC_ACE_PUGG 2018-05-09
Maybe not that extreme but they are enjoying their lives and having sex while we get nothing and rot
1 haymansafc 2018-05-09
This is pretty much spot on. The only change I'd make is move 'Age 20' down to 18 and 'Age 35' down to 30. Do that and so far, that's pretty much exactly my life to date.
Heck, I'm even sitting at an office desk wearing a green shirt whilst typing this - just to show how close this is to reality for me.
1 crispickle 2018-05-09
No truecel lives that long, they have all roped before 40.
1 silverfang45 2018-05-09
America must be a lot different to here as 15 is a lot different haha
1 throwawaypill22 2018-05-09
This is literally my exact situation
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
Not even trying to refute anything and going straight for the wild assumptions and accusative, holier-than-thou bullshit. I'm gonna let Modcel handle this. u/GeneticCleansing