I've noticed how female insults towards men tend to be petty and patronising and focused on emasculating. It's their favorite go to response and I think it shows how they subconsciously have contempt for (what they perceive as) weakness
It's their favorite go to response and I think it shows how they subconsciously have contempt for (what they perceive as) weakness and traditional non-masculinity in men
Insults are often both projection and revealing that persons biggest insecurity about themselves. IE- if a person suspects and hates that they are stupid, everyone that bothers them becomes stupid. Many shallow females have ugly hearts and know it and are constantly self conscious about their own appearance in a materialist society where appearance is status and resources.
I'm definitely not one of you. But there's some truth to this. Women can get seemingly offended if you act in a way that's unattractive to them. Women aren't what you guys think they are but they are in fact pains in the ass.
I'm really surprised that is the case. I have heard women say "man up" to men, but I always thought they were stupid, mean, and sexist to men. I am truly sorry this has been your collective experience; it makes me angry. I think everyone should be brave but emotionally intelligent. It takes humanity, self awareness, and/or education to become a thoughtful and kind person to all people.
If I ever hear a woman or man say "man up," I'm going to call them out on it. It's unacceptable.
Yeah i was personally told by a woman on IT that we're all basically pussies and we need to man up. I think showing emotion is generally frowned upon because it's perceived as insecurity. In the world we live in, we basically need to show our best self at all times (aka "just be confident bro!!!"). Exceptions exist behind closed doors with certain friends, but it's pretty much a requirement to always portray yourself as a hypermasculine beast who always has his shit together if you want to succeed in life, outside the arts of course.
But seriously, did you report that person in IT to HR? What she said was straight up abuse. Abuse can and does happen in the work place. You have the right to report no matter your gender, and you can file discrimination if they treat you differently because of your gender. I’m sorry to hear that you are treated that way.
Oh whoops, in the context of this sub, IT generally means /r/inceltears. Yeah I'm not sure how often it's explicitly stated in real life, but on reddit it's quite common.
It's also another reason why I think people should be a bit easier on this place at times. There are undoubtedly reasons why this sub should make people upset, but a lot of people here don't have the close friends that they can display their more emotionally vulnerable selves towards at times. They come here to vent instead.
There is such a thing as sincere concern for incels and shitposting in our sub trying to feel better about yourself by giving condescending advice to people who didn't ask for it and getting assmad when you get told to fuck off. Yours is not the former.
Do you have a viable alternative? You say we need to get rid of "toxic masculinity" but then we get out in the world and we are judged for not being masculine enough.
The way you're describing this phenomena is dripping with the feminist assumptions of the people who coined this term. The very idea of some mythical hypermasculine roboman is entirely a creation of the feminist critique, full stop.
You're suggesting that in order to be a healthy individual one must wallow uselessly in social displays of emotion. You're doing this because feminist/leftist conceptions of the therapeutic utility of performative emotionality.
There is no basis for this view outside of the philosophical musings of leftist thinkers, and as we are increasing finding out such performative emotionality is creating a generation incapable of coping with reality itself.
The way you're describing this phenomena is dripping with the feminist assumptions of the people who coined this term.
What?
The very idea of some mythical hypermasculine roboman is entirely a creation of the feminist critique, full stop.
WHAT. are you really trying to deny the existence of chad? That's maximum level cope.
You're suggesting that in order to be a healthy individual one must wallow uselessly in social displays of emotion.
WHAT, being able to display some emotion without being branded a pussy or faggot or weak is a hell of a lot healthier than the alternative wtf
You're doing this because feminist/leftist conceptions of the therapeutic utility of performative emotionality.
Im "doing this" because it's a scientific fact that suppressing emotions leads to suicide and other mental health issues. Nigga what are you on about
There is no basis for this view outside of the philosophical musings of leftist thinkers
Except for, you know, decades of mental health research
we are increasing finding out such performative emotionality is creating a generation incapable of coping with reality itself.
We are not finding that at all, dealing with your emotions without being insulted for it is not the same as wallowing in your emotions and not fixing anything. You don't even know what you're talking about lmao
Do you honestly believe it's healthy for us to suppress our emotions?
You'd be surprised, you're not very self aware, but you and other women talk about how incels should stop whining and grow up without showing empathy. Not your fault because biologically men are logical and women are socially competent.
Men are like this too, I've seen plenty, but both genders do this.
Incels, yes. I've told plenty to quit whining about not getting sex, or because they're dribbling on about how their nose is 2mm too short or whatever.
If there is a legitimate emotional need for comfort and empathy, then yes, anyone will get the written equivalent of a hug from me. I will not tell people to "man up" when they are legitimately depressed about something, and don't tell them that emotions show weakness, and that they'll never get a woman if they are weak.
The whole "I'm beta" because you have emotions is a product of toxic masculinity.
The bit where "I'm beta" translates into being a doormat for a woman who wants a bank balance while she fucks around is just certain women being complete whores, users and bitches.
I see men being understanding of each other's feeling much more than women.
If you show weakness to a girlfriend or wife she will punish you in ways not even herself realizes. She may feel pity for you and lend you a shoulder to cry but when her attraction for you fades and suddenly she's "just fell out of love", don't complain.
Have you had a girlfriend or wife do that to you? If not, how do you know?
I have comforted partners in the past. I've never felt any less attracted to them because they needed my support, because as a partner, that's what you do. When my first husband's gran passed away, he was distraught, and he was in need of comfort, and I gave it to him. He cried on my shoulder. We are now best of friends, and when his mum passed, he knew he could come to me for comfort. Now his dad is dying, and I am one of the people he has turned to.
There are a lot of women like that, although it may now be confined to the older ones.
Times are changing, and I am dismayed at what I keep coming across.
You are extremely naive if you think women don't perpetuate it as well. You keep bringing up yourself and personal anecdotes as some sort of counter, and not only in response to this topic, you did it regarding make virginity as well. You seem unable to see outside your own perspective and come off as very solipsistic
I basically see the world as containing all sorts of people, and at least some of them must be like me. I can't be the only one with my mindset out there.
I have been corrected in the perpetuators of the toxic masculinity curse from conversations today, and I apologise for getting things wrong.
It was my understanding from my reading on the subject that the toxic masculinity was being perpetuated by the males, because that is where it comes from in the first place, but it appears it is now women who are forcing the issue.
Well it's perpetuated by both genders. By women because it is what they have been traditionally attracted to (no matter how much feminists screech about it) and by men to appear more attractive
No worries, at least you're (somewhat) open to new perspectives
Have you had a girlfriend or wife do that to you? If not, how do you know?
Happened to my best friend. He opened up to his gf that he feels like he doesn't know who he is and wanted to seek therapy. He admitted his weaknesses and showed emotion. She in turn ended up cheating on him with a guy made her feel better about herself cause all that guy wanted was her.
Here's the thing. Toxic masculinity exists because women reward it. If women suddenly started getting attracted to emotional and sensitive men, the shaming would stop.
That's an interesting point. If it could be made to happen, it would certainly make life a lot better, and there would more than likely be a huge drop in the number of male suicides. The problem is getting it out there, and that's the snag
You're an absolute idiot. Just because feminists are cancer, doesn't mean we don't agree with some of its ideas. Masculinity, or whatever version we have of it now, is this very narrow minded glass statue ideal. If you don't fit in, you aren't a man. When this real phenomenon affects us disproportionately, then why shouldn't we acknowledge it's existence?Take your 'sjws r cancer,Milo fur lyfe' back to the youtube comments section.
Yup. "Toxic masculinity" was invented by feminists to emasculate men and make us more willing to serve them unquestioningly. Too bad most of us aren't cuck enough to fall for that shit.
People (mostly women) only consider attractive, strong, emotionally reserved men as "men". So anyone who doesn't fit this ideal is considered not a man and then people treat them like shit. That's all of us.
Thats then toxic part of the idea of masculinity.
I don't even think you know what the words you're against means
I have been corrected in the perpetuators of the toxic masculinity curse from conversations today, and I apologise for getting things wrong.
It was my understanding from my reading on the subject that the toxic masculinity was being perpetuated by the males, because that is where it comes from in the first place, but it appears it is now women who are forcing the issue.
If it weren't for toxic femininity teaching women that they aren't woman enough if they date a man who is under 6 feet or isn't Chad enough in looks, incels wouldn't exist.
Women are the biggest instigators of toxic masculinity. Even the Chad, jock, badboy, rude boy types will at least have some basic compassion and understanding towards his bros. You virtue-signalling cunts can go to hell.
I apologize at brash remark towards you. I'm glad to see you're really open-minded to listening to what we have to say instead of trying to aggressively push a particular dogma. Problem with feminists is whilst they may be partially right about toxic elements of masculinity, they do minimise shitty female behavior who do pepepuate these standards (because the "oppressed" class can't do no wrong) and most of it unfortunately is just wishful thinking.
I would much rather find these things out than not. I know I've argued about the whole thing before, but this is really the first time there has been a rational discussion with me about the situation as it stands now.
Women can be really horrendous, and I'm starting to realise how horrendous the current young generation actually are.
How old are you btw, you do not seem like someone who speaks from a millennial generation. This current culture fuels narcissism and is very ego and status-driven. Everyone knows a lot of men can be assholes (no one will ever deny that) but everytime someone calls out shitty female behavior, it's suddenly, "oh, women are not a hivemind", "you're a sexist misogynist" and the ol' classic "you're just bitter because you can't get laid" shaming tactic.
The last time I told a close female friend I was feeling down because I was lonely I was called a faggot and lost a close female friend. Women are fucking vicious if you "open up" and admit to the fact that you're a low value man.
Now I just make self-deprecating jokes about it because it's easier to deflect the inevitable "are you actually though?" comments.
Women have obviously changed, and frankly, it disgusts me that they can be so crass.
I would apologise for my sex if I thought it would make a difference, however it seems the modern generation are a bunch of shallow cunts that need a slap.
I think women forget that anger is an emotion, and when they ask men to be more emotional, they get surprised by how much anger men have been holding in.
Also correct me if I’m wrong, I think a lot of other male emotions get “funnelled” through anger, such as repeated disappointment, shame and rejection. I once read that depression isn’t properly diagnosed in young men because people think they have “defiant disorder.”
I think there is something to this. A therapist of mine once told me that sadness is often presented as anger in men-- which can actually be a good thing-- because what women tend to do is convert all that anger into sadness, which can be just as if not more toxic. We do not enough praise the virtues of masculine emotions or recognize the utility of anger. The important thing to teach someone is how to express their anger in a way that is non-abusive to others.
I’m also in agreement here. Toxic masculinity is real, but I feel like it gets easily conflated. Over-aggression or machismo versus actual self expression are completely different things yet often treated as the same. Anger is a real emotion, we should all feel it (safely in reference to ourselves and others.) I think if we spent more time teaching kids how to process their emotions and deal with them in healthier tendencies we’d see more tangible empathy in adults. Also more encouragement toward the acceptance of the emotional spectrum.
There’s a higher moral status in society now that’s advertised as a prize for funneling your emotions into hobbies, people or things. Yet those who internalize coping methods and try to digest their emotions properly get called sensitive or pussies, or emotional. Mostly men, and then we wonder why boys are growing up with aggressive tendencies. We just keep condemning people for new dressed-up reasons IMO.
Also, "TOKTHIC" is the new faggot term floating around in online gaming communities as a synonym for "these guys are meaannn" from the same fucking fucktarded fucks that have ruined the fun in everything in the past. No more sympathy or nuance with the people who use these terms. They should be treated like they are literal demons from Hell.
My default setting is to punch everything I can't put a baby in.
I don't dare unleash my actual emotions, and when they ask me to share my feelings... I just have Admiral Ackbar pop up in my head screaming "It's a trap".
All their conversations are chess games. Take nothing literally.
The real life lesson is realizing all the other places people will do this, eg work, school, family, psychiatry. The point is not to help anyone, only the appearance of helpfulness is important.
Only the appearance of helpfulness is important if you're not actually interacting with anyone in any close or meaningful way. Because eventually they'll notice and be drawn away from you.
That's adorable. Like you took lessons from fucking Eminem himself. Funny that you'd mention projection based on insecurities, I was asking you to clear up that fucking trainwreck of an argument. Not inviting you to pick a fight.
I think my comment was perfectly clear so I won't bother. But maybe there's something you can explain for me: As someone who believes in a philosophy of intentional uselessness, how do you manage to maintain such an ego? My opinion is that's the reason why you're so insecure and volatile because you want to maintain it as a defense mechanism. But I'll give you a chance to speak for yourself and prove otherwise.
If you're that mentally impaired that you can't read a single paragraph then you're not really worth having a conversation with and I would wager I'm not the only person who thinks so.
Why? Because this is the internet and arguments are only decided by who is cleverrerrest. Which is why you've only stated your actual argument once, poorly. After that you only drag on about how smart you are and how retarded I am. https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ this is you. For someone not willing to sink to repeating yourself, you sure do fucking like to repeat yourself.
Apparently you have never spoken to another human being outside of calling them stupid on the internet, so this is probably news to you, but rephrasing your arguments as a debate goes on is actually pretty common. It's an oppertunity to emphasize and clarify, not a sign of weakness. You talk big about insecurities and projection, fine, what does it say about you that you respond to criticism of unhelpfulness with condescending unhelpfulness? Seems to me you're the type of useless posing shithead I was talking about all along.
Look at that! I rephrased my original point and called you a piece of shit at the same time. How's that for practicing what you preach. Now you try it, bitchboy. Try not to choke on your narrative.
I've never found this to be the case. Seeing as you're incels, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of intimate relations with women. Therefore, you don't have a lot of experience with women. I've always been emotionally open with my partners and never received any pushback about it.
As a society, women (and men) are definitely trained to feel uncomfortable with male emotions. I think it's completely self-destructive and stupid for women to emasculate men as an insult. However, when you have people making horrible generalizations about your entire gender, sometimes you resort to immature insults. It's a low-empathy, low-IQ reaction to low-empathy, low-IQ insults.
I'm honestly critical of like half of the defeatist logic I see in /braincels (although there's a LOT more irony than normies realize here) but this is 100% spot on.
The trick is to learn to maintain frame. If you let a woman bring you into her world instead of allowing her into yours, she will destroy you. It's not even a conscious thing, either... they're hard-wired to wreck betas.
Oh gosh this is good. Guys listen to this, please. Your lives are worth far more than you think and healing is possible, if not easy, once you figure out how. Self reflection is super important, as is staying positive. Focusing on all the negativity here is not what you need to heal.
Oh fuck off, self reflection about what, about how I'm an ugly nigger who hasn't even held a woman's hand? Staying positive while at the very bottom of a pitch black pit with oil slathered walls is fucking idiotic. Lay down and rot, and hope to die peacefully.
As man, I gotta say, yeah, man up. A man can express his emotions without, I dunno, driving vans through crowds of people. A man should be capable of taking rejection on the chin and moving on with his life no matter how many times it happens.
And that's perfectly reasonable and we get that. The issue comes when somebody says "men should show their emotions" and then also says "lol man up and stop crying".
Nothing stupid about it. The problem with incels is you get rejected a few times and act like the world is tumbling down around you. People get rejected. It's part of life. You can either move on from that rejection, or you can internalize it forever.
you do realize that people get affected by these things, right? we are not robots who don't have emotions. some people can do that and others can't. don't blame me for not being a psychopath.
Then don't blame me for creating them. Yes, people can be affected by rejection. But people are also, ultimately, in control of how they deal with that rejection and are in even more control of their own actions. Incels make a choice to deal with rejection poorly and in turn, act poorly. That is no one's fault but their own.
Good thing only one incel was emotionally distraught that he drove a van into people. He was probably told multiple times by people like you to man up, only adding to his internalizing of his problems and leading himself to the point where he snapped.
What he did was murder and was wrong, but if people like you didn't give him this kind of "advice" he probably wouldn't have done it in the long run.
Ah yes. It's my fault, of course. I pushed him into the driver's seat, strapped him in, placed his foot on the accelerator, and steered the van myself. Makes perfect sense.
Ah yes, his mental condition in no way was impacted by the hate he's received by people like you, and in no way contributed to his horrible actions taken against innocent people.
Nope, just one day he was just like "I'm gonna go kill people for no reason"
I can see the point went so far over your head it's burning up in our atmosphere. Who is control of their actions? You are. You can be influenced, impacted, even hurt by the things other people say. That doesn't mean they made you do anything.
But please, keep trying to justify shit behavior because you can't take a hit. Being emotional does not mean whine and cry until someone comes along to coddle you like a toddler. It means being honest with your feelings and yourself. Think you can manage that without the murder?
What women mean when they say they want men to "show their emotions" they mean they want the men in their lives to open up to them, men like their brothers, and fathers, and cousins, and their boyfriend or husband.
Not some random guy they barely know crying over spilled milk at the grocery store.
Well, I have a good relationship with my mother and almost all the other women in my life and have had several healthy romantic relationships and I can tell you this is all based on my personal experience. In a romantic context, their eyes light up like fireworks when they see me conquering a difficult emotion and returning to my usual optimistic attitude, as if they were falling in love with me all over again. Women really love that shit.
But if you have any personal experience to the contrary then feel free to share. Everyone's circumstances are different.
So you don't have any personal experience to the contrary whatsoever? I think you're only really against me using anecdotal evidence because you don't have any of it yourself.
Well, this isn't really a debate, this is a conversation. I'm not trying to make a case for something using data or hard facts, I'm trying to understand and talk with a real person about their values and beliefs and experiences.
It's painfully obvious that you have no data or hard facts. That's my point. Your advice is useless.
I'm trying to understand and talk with a real person about their values and beliefs and experiences.
Lol, now you're just lying. You gave useless advice based off of your own personal experience and were called out on it.
My values and experiences are completely irrelevant to this "conversation". My only point is that everything you've written in this thread is useless blather, supported by nothing more than your own personal experience.
Not really. You obviously hold beliefs based on anecdotal evidence because thats the nature of the human experience. I think its easier to dismiss other people's experience regarding something when you haven't had any yourself.
Also, I wasn't giving anyone advice. In fact, I'm happy incels exist because that means there's fewer men I need to compete with for mates and status (assuming you can even consider incels men). But whats overriding my satisfaction with your inadaquacy, and is keeping me from leaving you to suffer here and feed off eachother's bitterness is my morbid curiousity about how incels can justify their beliefs to themselves. And I think I'm getting some insights regarding this from you.
I think its easier to dismiss other people's experience regarding something when you haven't had any yourself.
I'm not dismissing your experience. I'm saying your experience doesn't have any value to anyone but yourself, and reveals no great or useful truth about reality.
In fact, I'm happy incels exist because that means there's fewer men I need to compete with for mates and status (assuming you can even consider incels men).
How noble of you. I recall seeing you try to act as if you were on this sub out of some genuine concern for incels. Now you're happy they exist and are happy to degrade them.
But whats overriding my satisfaction with your inadaquacy, and is keeping me from leaving you to suffer here and feed off eachother's bitterness is my morbid curiousity about how incels can justify their beliefs to themselves.
In other words, you have absolutely no good intentions whatsoever. At least you're willing to admit it now.
And I imagine incels justify their beliefs based on their own personal experiences.
And I think I'm getting some insights regarding this from you.
Nah. You know absolutely nothing about me. Arm-chair psychology, on the internet of all places, is about as reliable as astrology.
Well, you can tell me how accurate I am, this is just a guess. But here goes:
I think you're way too openly hostile and at the same time you refuse to engage with what I've actually said and just dismissing it out of hand as a coping strategy, and then you post-hoc intellectualize your knee-jerk response while assuming the worst intentions in the other person (assuming that curiosity is a negative or adversarial motivation for example). I'm also sensing a hint of gynophobia, considering you've obviously never had a genuine romantic experience before.
I think you're anxious about women and you're trying to defend your ego by convincing yourself its coming from a rational place.
Call it astrology if you want, but I think I'm close.
Telling you that what you said is stupid and useless is not "refusing to engage". I read your comments. They were idiotic.
coping strategy
Now you're using terms you don't even understand....
then you post-hoc intellectualize your knee-jerk response while assuming the worst intentions in the other person (assuming that curiosity is a negative or adversarial motivation for example).
You straight up admitted that you're only here out of morbid curiosity, that you're happy incels exist because it benefits you personally, and you've degraded and insulted incels in several of your posts. How lacking in self-awareness can one person be? Of course your intentions are bad, you fuckwit.
I'm also sensing a hint of gynophobia, considering you've obviously never had a genuine romantic experience before.
Nope.
I think you're anxious about women and you're trying to defend your ego by convincing yourself its coming from a rational place.
Nope.
Call it astrology if you want, but I think I'm close.
You, unsurprisingly, got literally everything wrong. Even astrology is vaguely accurate sometimes.
You are an idiot. That would be fine if you weren't a malicious idiot pretending to be an altruist.
I get it, I just don't agree with it. I think its not that you were showing your emotions that women found unattractive, but the causes that provoked them. (Assuming you've based this opinion on personal experience, which I am noticing now is probably extremely unlikely)
its not about hittting on someone. Its about in this case a woman telling this guy to be genuine with his emotions, and when he actually lets it out, she feels the need to call him creepy, because what he feels doesnt align with her reality or what he feels is scary to her.The second part might not be agreed with, but i do know personally women that wanted guys to open up to them, and then literally not be able to handle his genuine emotions.
Never treat a woman well. They say they want respect, like we weren’t raised to be decent human beings. They lie to us constantly and string us along, as if our lives are of no consequence, as if time doesn’t exist for us. They are incapable of self reflection and incapable of understand men.
Keep them a foot away. And fuck em only when you want. Women are not men. Treating them like men does not work.
Nah. I'm definitely in favor of men showing their emotions. Ya'll usually call people that do that "betas" though, don't you? I don't believe in betas, you do.
Here's a good video about one of the rare films that shows a non-standard, emotion-showing male hero:
Well the thing with females is that they have no sense of logic. They operate 100% according to random in the moment emotions, and their "arguments" consist of cognitive dissonance evasion and projection. That is why they hate incels so much: they cannot take the truth, so instead they project the blame onto another target (incels) to make themselves feel less guilty.
You'd be surprised, you're not very self aware, but you and other women talk about how incels should stop whining and grow up without showing empathy. Not your fault because biologically men are logical and women are socially competent.
Men are like this too, I've seen plenty, but both genders do this.
I see men being understanding of each other's feeling much more than women.
If you show weakness to a girlfriend or wife she will punish you in ways not even herself realizes. She may feel pity for you and lend you a shoulder to cry but when her attraction for you fades and suddenly she's "just fell out of love", don't complain.
Women are the biggest instigators of toxic masculinity. Even the Chad, jock, badboy, rude boy types will at least have some basic compassion and understanding towards his bros. You virtue-signalling cunts can go to hell.
Only the appearance of helpfulness is important if you're not actually interacting with anyone in any close or meaningful way. Because eventually they'll notice and be drawn away from you.
The last time I told a close female friend I was feeling down because I was lonely I was called a faggot and lost a close female friend. Women are fucking vicious if you "open up" and admit to the fact that you're a low value man.
Now I just make self-deprecating jokes about it because it's easier to deflect the inevitable "are you actually though?" comments.
its not about hittting on someone. Its about in this case a woman telling this guy to be genuine with his emotions, and when he actually lets it out, she feels the need to call him creepy, because what he feels doesnt align with her reality or what he feels is scary to her.The second part might not be agreed with, but i do know personally women that wanted guys to open up to them, and then literally not be able to handle his genuine emotions.
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1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-09
Man: Shows any kind of emotion or expresses any kind of discontent with his situation
Femoid: "Aww, who hurt you?"
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-09
I've noticed how female insults towards men tend to be petty and patronising and focused on emasculating. It's their favorite go to response and I think it shows how they subconsciously have contempt for (what they perceive as) weakness
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-09
High IQ
1 damnsong 2018-05-09
It’s more so a generic “redditor response”, mostly because they lack creativity and individuality.
1 BUTT_NECTAR 2018-05-09
well then almost the entire global female population is redditors even without visiting the site.
1 mikepencetheincel 2018-05-09
Women invented “toxic masculinity”
1 iQ9k 2018-05-09
They invented it, and still reward it.
1 WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHAT 2018-05-09
Also how women love to insult people using the word "ugly," subconciously showing that they judge by looks.
We don't insult people by calling them what we don't hate
1 BUTT_NECTAR 2018-05-09
Insults are often both projection and revealing that persons biggest insecurity about themselves. IE- if a person suspects and hates that they are stupid, everyone that bothers them becomes stupid. Many shallow females have ugly hearts and know it and are constantly self conscious about their own appearance in a materialist society where appearance is status and resources.
1 TheFishSeattle 2018-05-09
I'm definitely not one of you. But there's some truth to this. Women can get seemingly offended if you act in a way that's unattractive to them. Women aren't what you guys think they are but they are in fact pains in the ass.
1 realmonkeycel 2018-05-09
It is interesting how ubiquitous that insult is among women who post here.
1 TwinPeaks2017 2018-05-09
I'm really surprised that is the case. I have heard women say "man up" to men, but I always thought they were stupid, mean, and sexist to men. I am truly sorry this has been your collective experience; it makes me angry. I think everyone should be brave but emotionally intelligent. It takes humanity, self awareness, and/or education to become a thoughtful and kind person to all people.
If I ever hear a woman or man say "man up," I'm going to call them out on it. It's unacceptable.
1 realmonkeycel 2018-05-09
Yeah i was personally told by a woman on IT that we're all basically pussies and we need to man up. I think showing emotion is generally frowned upon because it's perceived as insecurity. In the world we live in, we basically need to show our best self at all times (aka "just be confident bro!!!"). Exceptions exist behind closed doors with certain friends, but it's pretty much a requirement to always portray yourself as a hypermasculine beast who always has his shit together if you want to succeed in life, outside the arts of course.
1 TwinPeaks2017 2018-05-09
/r/wowthanksimcured
But seriously, did you report that person in IT to HR? What she said was straight up abuse. Abuse can and does happen in the work place. You have the right to report no matter your gender, and you can file discrimination if they treat you differently because of your gender. I’m sorry to hear that you are treated that way.
1 realmonkeycel 2018-05-09
Oh whoops, in the context of this sub, IT generally means /r/inceltears. Yeah I'm not sure how often it's explicitly stated in real life, but on reddit it's quite common.
It's also another reason why I think people should be a bit easier on this place at times. There are undoubtedly reasons why this sub should make people upset, but a lot of people here don't have the close friends that they can display their more emotionally vulnerable selves towards at times. They come here to vent instead.
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-05-09
And they wonder why incels are misogynists.
1 theonenamedkirk 2018-05-09
"who hurt you?" has to be the dumbest insult/comeback i've seen on reddit and it's becoming more popular i think.
1 MrBoDeagles 2018-05-09
Aww, who said that to you?
1 IsThisRealReddit 2018-05-09
I agree
This insult literally drives me insane. I‘m barely ever triggered in the Internet.
But if you write „who hurt you“ you might just as well shoot me
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
I think it's often the case that insecure men will mistake sincere concern as patronizing.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-05-09
Sincere concern? Are you fucking shitting me?
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Did I hit a nerve?
1 MrBoDeagles 2018-05-09
Aww, who sincerely concerned you?
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Everyone who unironically uses this subreddit sincerely concerns me.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
There is such a thing as sincere concern for incels and shitposting in our sub trying to feel better about yourself by giving condescending advice to people who didn't ask for it and getting assmad when you get told to fuck off. Yours is not the former.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
I'm having conversations on this sub out of pure morbid curiosity. I think this sub is equal parts fascinating and disturbing.
1 VolCelII 2018-05-09
lol
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-05-09
"That's nice sweetie"
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
You'd be entirely correct if it was men with the gun. This is what toxic masculinity is, and it's not perpetuated by women.
Women understand that men have feelings. Men have been taught by other men that showing feelings is weak.
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-09
well, lets agree that society as a whole is like this. both men and women can be toxic af when it comes to these things.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
We need to get rid of toxic masculinity though. It's not healthy for men to be left to deal with their issues on their own.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-09
Do you have a viable alternative? You say we need to get rid of "toxic masculinity" but then we get out in the world and we are judged for not being masculine enough.
Like, what the fuck, woman?
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
It's not unmasculine to admit when you need help. That's all.
Anyone who says different is an arsehole.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-05-09
If only more people had your stance. As they say - "if wishes were dollars, I'd be a millionaire".
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
If wishes were horses, my roses would be fucking lush.
lol
1 IracibleManlet 2018-05-09
Toxic masculinity is bullshit. It's how women think men think. Begone, thot.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Keep reading...
1 IracibleManlet 2018-05-09
Reading what? Feminist propaganda? Or are you trying to insinuate you're not promoting toxic femininity?
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
Hey, uhhhhhh, I think you need to do more research into "toxic masculinity"
It literally describes the ostracization that we have to deal with here.
Toxic masculinity is only about how people (men and women) only perceive hypermasculine men as deserving of the label "men".
Men perpetuate it to appear more attractive to women. Women perpetuate it because they're inherently repulsed by weak men both naturally and socially.
1 IracibleManlet 2018-05-09
The way you're describing this phenomena is dripping with the feminist assumptions of the people who coined this term. The very idea of some mythical hypermasculine roboman is entirely a creation of the feminist critique, full stop.
You're suggesting that in order to be a healthy individual one must wallow uselessly in social displays of emotion. You're doing this because feminist/leftist conceptions of the therapeutic utility of performative emotionality.
There is no basis for this view outside of the philosophical musings of leftist thinkers, and as we are increasing finding out such performative emotionality is creating a generation incapable of coping with reality itself.
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
What?
WHAT. are you really trying to deny the existence of chad? That's maximum level cope.
WHAT, being able to display some emotion without being branded a pussy or faggot or weak is a hell of a lot healthier than the alternative wtf
Im "doing this" because it's a scientific fact that suppressing emotions leads to suicide and other mental health issues. Nigga what are you on about
Except for, you know, decades of mental health research
We are not finding that at all, dealing with your emotions without being insulted for it is not the same as wallowing in your emotions and not fixing anything. You don't even know what you're talking about lmao
Do you honestly believe it's healthy for us to suppress our emotions?
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
You'd be surprised, you're not very self aware, but you and other women talk about how incels should stop whining and grow up without showing empathy. Not your fault because biologically men are logical and women are socially competent.
Men are like this too, I've seen plenty, but both genders do this.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Incels, yes. I've told plenty to quit whining about not getting sex, or because they're dribbling on about how their nose is 2mm too short or whatever.
If there is a legitimate emotional need for comfort and empathy, then yes, anyone will get the written equivalent of a hug from me. I will not tell people to "man up" when they are legitimately depressed about something, and don't tell them that emotions show weakness, and that they'll never get a woman if they are weak.
The whole "I'm beta" because you have emotions is a product of toxic masculinity.
The bit where "I'm beta" translates into being a doormat for a woman who wants a bank balance while she fucks around is just certain women being complete whores, users and bitches.
1 Hydroeletric_ 2018-05-09
I see men being understanding of each other's feeling much more than women.
If you show weakness to a girlfriend or wife she will punish you in ways not even herself realizes. She may feel pity for you and lend you a shoulder to cry but when her attraction for you fades and suddenly she's "just fell out of love", don't complain.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Have you had a girlfriend or wife do that to you? If not, how do you know?
I have comforted partners in the past. I've never felt any less attracted to them because they needed my support, because as a partner, that's what you do. When my first husband's gran passed away, he was distraught, and he was in need of comfort, and I gave it to him. He cried on my shoulder. We are now best of friends, and when his mum passed, he knew he could come to me for comfort. Now his dad is dying, and I am one of the people he has turned to.
There are a lot of women like that, although it may now be confined to the older ones.
Times are changing, and I am dismayed at what I keep coming across.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-09
You are extremely naive if you think women don't perpetuate it as well. You keep bringing up yourself and personal anecdotes as some sort of counter, and not only in response to this topic, you did it regarding make virginity as well. You seem unable to see outside your own perspective and come off as very solipsistic
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
I basically see the world as containing all sorts of people, and at least some of them must be like me. I can't be the only one with my mindset out there.
1 I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE 2018-05-09
This seems like ironclad logic and is how I also view the world.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-09
Why did you feel the need to state that no women perpetuate toxic masculinity in the first place?
This is not solely about you and what you would do
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
I have been corrected in the perpetuators of the toxic masculinity curse from conversations today, and I apologise for getting things wrong.
It was my understanding from my reading on the subject that the toxic masculinity was being perpetuated by the males, because that is where it comes from in the first place, but it appears it is now women who are forcing the issue.
Once again, my apologies for the error.
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-05-09
Well it's perpetuated by both genders. By women because it is what they have been traditionally attracted to (no matter how much feminists screech about it) and by men to appear more attractive
No worries, at least you're (somewhat) open to new perspectives
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Definitely. I like learning new stuff.
The thing is though, stuff is changing so quickly these days that it's kind of hard to keep up
1 Swordsman007 2018-05-09
Happened to my best friend. He opened up to his gf that he feels like he doesn't know who he is and wanted to seek therapy. He admitted his weaknesses and showed emotion. She in turn ended up cheating on him with a guy made her feel better about herself cause all that guy wanted was her.
Fucked him over for years. So yes.
1 Space-Pirate-Calico 2018-05-09
When you confess your feelings to another man, he pats you on the shoulder and tell you not to worry, everything will work out.
When you confess your feelings to a woman, she laughs and tells you to man up.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Oh hell. It looks like the toxic masculinity thing has spread out to the women. That fucking sucks.
I'm not one who would tell you to "man up" by the way.
1 gufestus2 2018-05-09
Here's the thing. Toxic masculinity exists because women reward it. If women suddenly started getting attracted to emotional and sensitive men, the shaming would stop.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
That's an interesting point. If it could be made to happen, it would certainly make life a lot better, and there would more than likely be a huge drop in the number of male suicides. The problem is getting it out there, and that's the snag
1 IracibleManlet 2018-05-09
I can't believe you morons are even giving hypothetical credence to a bullshit term like toxic masculinity. It's pure feminist cancer, what the fuck?
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-05-09
You're an absolute idiot. Just because feminists are cancer, doesn't mean we don't agree with some of its ideas. Masculinity, or whatever version we have of it now, is this very narrow minded glass statue ideal. If you don't fit in, you aren't a man. When this real phenomenon affects us disproportionately, then why shouldn't we acknowledge it's existence?Take your 'sjws r cancer,Milo fur lyfe' back to the youtube comments section.
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-05-09
Yup. "Toxic masculinity" was invented by feminists to emasculate men and make us more willing to serve them unquestioningly. Too bad most of us aren't cuck enough to fall for that shit.
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
Bitch toxic masculinity describes our situation entirely.
People (mostly women) only consider attractive, strong, emotionally reserved men as "men". So anyone who doesn't fit this ideal is considered not a man and then people treat them like shit. That's all of us.
Thats then toxic part of the idea of masculinity.
I don't even think you know what the words you're against means
1 Space-Pirate-Calico 2018-05-09
Yet here you are invalidating our feelings.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
How am I invalidating your feelings?
1 Space-Pirate-Calico 2018-05-09
A bunch of men are here saying they feel that women are the primary enforcers of masculinity.
You: "No u"
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Keep reading the other comments I have made here please.
1 lonely_suicidal_cel 2018-05-09
It always has, not a lot of men would say "man up" after spilling your guts to them.
1 A1C_SubZero 2018-05-09
Men. We know how to be friends.
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
TOXIC MASCULINITY? HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-09
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There is, however, toxic femininity. It's responsible for incels.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
There is such a thing as toxic masculinity. Feel free to look it up.
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-09
It's just a term made up by lunatic feminists.
1 slobis 2018-05-09
Wow. A complete and total lack of self-awareness or responsibility.
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-09
If it weren't for toxic femininity teaching women that they aren't woman enough if they date a man who is under 6 feet or isn't Chad enough in looks, incels wouldn't exist.
1 slobis 2018-05-09
Right, it's entirely the fault of the women who don't want to sleep with you.
1 slothsenpai 2018-05-09
Women are the biggest instigators of toxic masculinity. Even the Chad, jock, badboy, rude boy types will at least have some basic compassion and understanding towards his bros. You virtue-signalling cunts can go to hell.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Keep reading my replies...
1 slothsenpai 2018-05-09
I apologize at brash remark towards you. I'm glad to see you're really open-minded to listening to what we have to say instead of trying to aggressively push a particular dogma. Problem with feminists is whilst they may be partially right about toxic elements of masculinity, they do minimise shitty female behavior who do pepepuate these standards (because the "oppressed" class can't do no wrong) and most of it unfortunately is just wishful thinking.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
I would much rather find these things out than not. I know I've argued about the whole thing before, but this is really the first time there has been a rational discussion with me about the situation as it stands now.
Women can be really horrendous, and I'm starting to realise how horrendous the current young generation actually are.
1 slothsenpai 2018-05-09
How old are you btw, you do not seem like someone who speaks from a millennial generation. This current culture fuels narcissism and is very ego and status-driven. Everyone knows a lot of men can be assholes (no one will ever deny that) but everytime someone calls out shitty female behavior, it's suddenly, "oh, women are not a hivemind", "you're a sexist misogynist" and the ol' classic "you're just bitter because you can't get laid" shaming tactic.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
I'm 45... Practically dead... lol
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-09
I thought women aren’t a hivemind
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
The last time I told a close female friend I was feeling down because I was lonely I was called a faggot and lost a close female friend. Women are fucking vicious if you "open up" and admit to the fact that you're a low value man.
Now I just make self-deprecating jokes about it because it's easier to deflect the inevitable "are you actually though?" comments.
1 MagratM 2018-05-09
Women have obviously changed, and frankly, it disgusts me that they can be so crass.
I would apologise for my sex if I thought it would make a difference, however it seems the modern generation are a bunch of shallow cunts that need a slap.
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-09
then don't criticize us for whining
1 CloudyPikachu 2018-05-09
Okay that’s nice but have you seen the new episode of The Nostalgia Critic about the Emoji Movie?
1 jacketboundjester 2018-05-09
Not until there's some closure on the #changethechannel situation.
1 bengalsturntup5532 2018-05-09
Kek
1 ironpumpette 2018-05-09
I think women forget that anger is an emotion, and when they ask men to be more emotional, they get surprised by how much anger men have been holding in.
Also correct me if I’m wrong, I think a lot of other male emotions get “funnelled” through anger, such as repeated disappointment, shame and rejection. I once read that depression isn’t properly diagnosed in young men because people think they have “defiant disorder.”
1 TwinPeaks2017 2018-05-09
I think there is something to this. A therapist of mine once told me that sadness is often presented as anger in men-- which can actually be a good thing-- because what women tend to do is convert all that anger into sadness, which can be just as if not more toxic. We do not enough praise the virtues of masculine emotions or recognize the utility of anger. The important thing to teach someone is how to express their anger in a way that is non-abusive to others.
1 Smurrrphh 2018-05-09
I’m also in agreement here. Toxic masculinity is real, but I feel like it gets easily conflated. Over-aggression or machismo versus actual self expression are completely different things yet often treated as the same. Anger is a real emotion, we should all feel it (safely in reference to ourselves and others.) I think if we spent more time teaching kids how to process their emotions and deal with them in healthier tendencies we’d see more tangible empathy in adults. Also more encouragement toward the acceptance of the emotional spectrum.
There’s a higher moral status in society now that’s advertised as a prize for funneling your emotions into hobbies, people or things. Yet those who internalize coping methods and try to digest their emotions properly get called sensitive or pussies, or emotional. Mostly men, and then we wonder why boys are growing up with aggressive tendencies. We just keep condemning people for new dressed-up reasons IMO.
1 BF8211 2018-05-09
No it's not, it's feminist bullshit made up to try and stop sub 8 men from acting alpha or expressing anger over their lack of romantic success.
1 Smurrrphh 2018-05-09
I’m sorry you feel that way.
1 DryYard 2018-05-09
Also, "TOKTHIC" is the new faggot term floating around in online gaming communities as a synonym for "these guys are meaannn" from the same fucking fucktarded fucks that have ruined the fun in everything in the past. No more sympathy or nuance with the people who use these terms. They should be treated like they are literal demons from Hell.
1 GC0W30 2018-05-09
Spot on.
My default setting is to punch everything I can't put a baby in.
I don't dare unleash my actual emotions, and when they ask me to share my feelings... I just have Admiral Ackbar pop up in my head screaming "It's a trap".
All their conversations are chess games. Take nothing literally.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
The real life lesson is realizing all the other places people will do this, eg work, school, family, psychiatry. The point is not to help anyone, only the appearance of helpfulness is important.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Only the appearance of helpfulness is important if you're not actually interacting with anyone in any close or meaningful way. Because eventually they'll notice and be drawn away from you.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
That supposed to be a diss, son?
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
It is often the case that insecure people see insults where they are not present.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
That's adorable. Like you took lessons from fucking Eminem himself. Funny that you'd mention projection based on insecurities, I was asking you to clear up that fucking trainwreck of an argument. Not inviting you to pick a fight.
So I'll ask again. Fucking explain yourself.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
I think my comment was perfectly clear so I won't bother. But maybe there's something you can explain for me: As someone who believes in a philosophy of intentional uselessness, how do you manage to maintain such an ego? My opinion is that's the reason why you're so insecure and volatile because you want to maintain it as a defense mechanism. But I'll give you a chance to speak for yourself and prove otherwise.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
You're two comments deep into not giving an actual fucking response, you tell me.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
If you're that mentally impaired that you can't read a single paragraph then you're not really worth having a conversation with and I would wager I'm not the only person who thinks so.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
Three for three, fucking hattrick people. You have some fucking nerve, lecturing others about their uselessness.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Next thing you're going to say is you were only pretending to be retarded.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
Why? Because this is the internet and arguments are only decided by who is cleverrerrest. Which is why you've only stated your actual argument once, poorly. After that you only drag on about how smart you are and how retarded I am. https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ this is you. For someone not willing to sink to repeating yourself, you sure do fucking like to repeat yourself.
Apparently you have never spoken to another human being outside of calling them stupid on the internet, so this is probably news to you, but rephrasing your arguments as a debate goes on is actually pretty common. It's an oppertunity to emphasize and clarify, not a sign of weakness. You talk big about insecurities and projection, fine, what does it say about you that you respond to criticism of unhelpfulness with condescending unhelpfulness? Seems to me you're the type of useless posing shithead I was talking about all along.
Look at that! I rephrased my original point and called you a piece of shit at the same time. How's that for practicing what you preach. Now you try it, bitchboy. Try not to choke on your narrative.
1 Arete201 2018-05-09
GerardGD, take my upvote.
1 GerardDG 2018-05-09
Appreciated. I worked on that comment, got all warmed up and then he blueballs me, so rude.
1 Arete201 2018-05-09
He did not want a n y smoke LOL
1 AntiAbleism 2018-05-09
Men are basically supposed to take it up the ass and not complain.
1 NewLoadsOfFun 2018-05-09
Show emotions for women means cry at the stupid romcom she loves
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Or cry at that stupid "inspirational" "based on a true story" oscar-bait movie she's watched 20 times.
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
And be hot whole doing it
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
I've never found this to be the case. Seeing as you're incels, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of intimate relations with women. Therefore, you don't have a lot of experience with women. I've always been emotionally open with my partners and never received any pushback about it.
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
Jesus I know you're a woman but you can read can't you?
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
I’m a guy, dude.
1 bigantennaemay1 2018-05-09
Soy boy, at best.
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
You have no concept of irony do you?
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
I mean you barely qualify as a man so I think it's fair.
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
If that's what you need to tell yourself. I feel pity for you. So much hate in your heart.
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
lmao at least I'm not so insecure that I feel the need to brag about my meager accomplishments to a forum full of virgins
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
Not so much bragging, more a morbid fascination with the death cult you've built. You're here for my entertainment.
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
Hey man ugly mentally ill people need entertainment too while the actual winners are out fucking hot chicks lmao.
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
How does it feel, in the middle of the night, when you know the truth? That it’s your own fault, and no one else’s, that you’re a virgin?
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
The same feeling you get when you look at your microdick and think "I'll overcompensate for this insecurity by arguing with internet strangers"
Sort of that feeling
1 scurvyneville 2018-05-09
I don’t know those feels. Apparently you’re QUITE familiar.
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
I gotta feels you know those feels
1 darm0k 2018-05-09
As a society, women (and men) are definitely trained to feel uncomfortable with male emotions. I think it's completely self-destructive and stupid for women to emasculate men as an insult. However, when you have people making horrible generalizations about your entire gender, sometimes you resort to immature insults. It's a low-empathy, low-IQ reaction to low-empathy, low-IQ insults.
1 GC0W30 2018-05-09
I'm honestly critical of like half of the defeatist logic I see in /braincels (although there's a LOT more irony than normies realize here) but this is 100% spot on.
The trick is to learn to maintain frame. If you let a woman bring you into her world instead of allowing her into yours, she will destroy you. It's not even a conscious thing, either... they're hard-wired to wreck betas.
1 Cynotex 2018-05-09
Comments like this keep me sane. Thank you stranger.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
The hell does "bring her into your world" mean anyway?
1 GC0W30 2018-05-09
You operate in her frame or your frame.
If you make everything about her instead of about you, then you're her bitch and she'll slowly work to destroy you.
You need to be the king, not the queen's butler.
1 Blackpill93 2018-05-09
low iq
1 TheRealLegitCuck 2018-05-09
u/spez please ban this disgusting Subreddit
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-05-09
proof#13921931293 that everything feminist say is just a shittest to weed out nonchad
1 MyGrumpyVag 2018-05-09
I wish men felt more comfortable expressing more complex emotions without using anger as an outlet for them.
Dont let some frustrated woman keep you from exploring yourself, its important to address all feelings.
There are women out there that will listen and be compassionate. There are women out there that will not make you feel like shit for crying.
You're not weak for being a human being with feelings.
1 SajuPacapu 2018-05-09
Oh gosh this is good. Guys listen to this, please. Your lives are worth far more than you think and healing is possible, if not easy, once you figure out how. Self reflection is super important, as is staying positive. Focusing on all the negativity here is not what you need to heal.
You all can and will make it out of this!
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-09
say that to a starving kid in africa
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
Oh fuck off, self reflection about what, about how I'm an ugly nigger who hasn't even held a woman's hand? Staying positive while at the very bottom of a pitch black pit with oil slathered walls is fucking idiotic. Lay down and rot, and hope to die peacefully.
1 honorificabi 2018-05-09
Look in mirror See reflection of self self reflection want to kms because troglodyte with no gf
1 SajuPacapu 2018-05-09
1 honorificabi 2018-05-09
So you're saying I should electrocute myself? Ok I guess that's as good a method as any.
1 behindcloseddoors1 2018-05-09
A.K.A. "I want men to express their emotions not how they want it, but how I deem is socially acceptable"
This is why men laugh at feminism, you don't care what men want, you only want men to adhere to your social standards.
1 MyGrumpyVag 2018-05-09
I'm not sure how you could read that and see that I don't care for what men want.
Men should have the OPTION to feel comfortable expressing emotions that are currently socially unacceptable for them to express outwardly.
If you're a man that doesn't need to cry, then don't cry, but I want men that do want to cry to feel OK about it.
1 panpneu 2018-05-09
that’s why i’m gay
1 WahmenMustDIe 2018-05-09
lucky bastard
1 fborghes 2018-05-09
are u guys really that weak? a girl's comment really hurts that much?
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
Not all of us can be as tough as you internet warrior
1 fborghes 2018-05-09
i mean, if standing a girl's opinion on me makes me a warrior, then fuck yeah... i guess? lmao
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
Guess we should all kill ourselves then huh
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-09
that statement sounds pretty toxic masculine tbqh fborghes
1 incelery33333 2018-05-09
This mostly pertains to non incel guys. Women are all confused when guys don't """"open up"""" to them, yet women only care about themselves.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-09
As man, I gotta say, yeah, man up. A man can express his emotions without, I dunno, driving vans through crowds of people. A man should be capable of taking rejection on the chin and moving on with his life no matter how many times it happens.
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
And that's perfectly reasonable and we get that. The issue comes when somebody says "men should show their emotions" and then also says "lol man up and stop crying".
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-09
Context is what's important. That's why you get seemingly contradictory messages from people.
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-09
god. what a stupid comment.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-09
Nothing stupid about it. The problem with incels is you get rejected a few times and act like the world is tumbling down around you. People get rejected. It's part of life. You can either move on from that rejection, or you can internalize it forever.
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-09
you do realize that people get affected by these things, right? we are not robots who don't have emotions. some people can do that and others can't. don't blame me for not being a psychopath.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-09
Then don't blame me for creating them. Yes, people can be affected by rejection. But people are also, ultimately, in control of how they deal with that rejection and are in even more control of their own actions. Incels make a choice to deal with rejection poorly and in turn, act poorly. That is no one's fault but their own.
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
Good thing only one incel was emotionally distraught that he drove a van into people. He was probably told multiple times by people like you to man up, only adding to his internalizing of his problems and leading himself to the point where he snapped.
What he did was murder and was wrong, but if people like you didn't give him this kind of "advice" he probably wouldn't have done it in the long run.
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-09
Ah yes. It's my fault, of course. I pushed him into the driver's seat, strapped him in, placed his foot on the accelerator, and steered the van myself. Makes perfect sense.
1 bopoll 2018-05-09
Ah yes, his mental condition in no way was impacted by the hate he's received by people like you, and in no way contributed to his horrible actions taken against innocent people.
Nope, just one day he was just like "I'm gonna go kill people for no reason"
1 Mas7erD3bator 2018-05-09
I can see the point went so far over your head it's burning up in our atmosphere. Who is control of their actions? You are. You can be influenced, impacted, even hurt by the things other people say. That doesn't mean they made you do anything.
But please, keep trying to justify shit behavior because you can't take a hit. Being emotional does not mean whine and cry until someone comes along to coddle you like a toddler. It means being honest with your feelings and yourself. Think you can manage that without the murder?
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
What women mean when they say they want men to "show their emotions" they mean they want the men in their lives to open up to them, men like their brothers, and fathers, and cousins, and their boyfriend or husband.
Not some random guy they barely know crying over spilled milk at the grocery store.
1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
Your observations are idiotic and your advice is useless.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Well, I have a good relationship with my mother and almost all the other women in my life and have had several healthy romantic relationships and I can tell you this is all based on my personal experience. In a romantic context, their eyes light up like fireworks when they see me conquering a difficult emotion and returning to my usual optimistic attitude, as if they were falling in love with me all over again. Women really love that shit.
But if you have any personal experience to the contrary then feel free to share. Everyone's circumstances are different.
1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
In other words, you have anecdotal evidence. Like I said, completely useless.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
So you don't have any personal experience to the contrary whatsoever? I think you're only really against me using anecdotal evidence because you don't have any of it yourself.
1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
The entirety of this subreddit is a collection of personal experiences that contradict your own.
Your personal experiences are just that. Anecdotal evidence is useless. Why would I waste my time trying to contradict useless evidence?
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Well, this isn't really a debate, this is a conversation. I'm not trying to make a case for something using data or hard facts, I'm trying to understand and talk with a real person about their values and beliefs and experiences.
1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
It's painfully obvious that you have no data or hard facts. That's my point. Your advice is useless.
Lol, now you're just lying. You gave useless advice based off of your own personal experience and were called out on it.
My values and experiences are completely irrelevant to this "conversation". My only point is that everything you've written in this thread is useless blather, supported by nothing more than your own personal experience.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Not really. You obviously hold beliefs based on anecdotal evidence because thats the nature of the human experience. I think its easier to dismiss other people's experience regarding something when you haven't had any yourself.
Also, I wasn't giving anyone advice. In fact, I'm happy incels exist because that means there's fewer men I need to compete with for mates and status (assuming you can even consider incels men). But whats overriding my satisfaction with your inadaquacy, and is keeping me from leaving you to suffer here and feed off eachother's bitterness is my morbid curiousity about how incels can justify their beliefs to themselves. And I think I'm getting some insights regarding this from you.
1 CommonMisspellingBot 2018-05-09
Hey, Sideism, just a quick heads-up:
curiousity is actually spelled curiosity. You can remember it by -os- in the middle.
Have a nice day!
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1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
I'm not dismissing your experience. I'm saying your experience doesn't have any value to anyone but yourself, and reveals no great or useful truth about reality.
How noble of you. I recall seeing you try to act as if you were on this sub out of some genuine concern for incels. Now you're happy they exist and are happy to degrade them.
In other words, you have absolutely no good intentions whatsoever. At least you're willing to admit it now.
And I imagine incels justify their beliefs based on their own personal experiences.
Nah. You know absolutely nothing about me. Arm-chair psychology, on the internet of all places, is about as reliable as astrology.
1 CommonMisspellingBot 2018-05-09
Hey, Syokudai, just a quick heads-up:
curiousity is actually spelled curiosity. You can remember it by -os- in the middle.
Have a nice day!
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1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Well, you can tell me how accurate I am, this is just a guess. But here goes:
I think you're way too openly hostile and at the same time you refuse to engage with what I've actually said and just dismissing it out of hand as a coping strategy, and then you post-hoc intellectualize your knee-jerk response while assuming the worst intentions in the other person (assuming that curiosity is a negative or adversarial motivation for example). I'm also sensing a hint of gynophobia, considering you've obviously never had a genuine romantic experience before.
I think you're anxious about women and you're trying to defend your ego by convincing yourself its coming from a rational place.
Call it astrology if you want, but I think I'm close.
1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
Sure. Everything you wrote is utter horseshit.
This is an opinion, not an observation.
Telling you that what you said is stupid and useless is not "refusing to engage". I read your comments. They were idiotic.
Now you're using terms you don't even understand....
You straight up admitted that you're only here out of morbid curiosity, that you're happy incels exist because it benefits you personally, and you've degraded and insulted incels in several of your posts. How lacking in self-awareness can one person be? Of course your intentions are bad, you fuckwit.
Nope.
Nope.
You, unsurprisingly, got literally everything wrong. Even astrology is vaguely accurate sometimes.
You are an idiot. That would be fine if you weren't a malicious idiot pretending to be an altruist.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
I don't think you realize just how fascinating you are. Thanks for taking the time to reply, this has been a very interesting conversation.
1 Syokudai 2018-05-09
I don't think you realize how stupid you are. You're a sanctimonious bully, my friend. I hope you try to better yourself one day.
1 LeFumes 2018-05-09
Bitches be trippin
1 LeFumes 2018-05-09
Bitches be trippin
1 restlessly_injected 2018-05-09
Femoid: "Why are men so afraid to show their emotions"
Incel: Well I am sad from being void of female companionship my whole life.
Femoid: WTF get away from me your ugly creep. RAPE! RAPE! RAPE!
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Dude, thats like going to a job fair and handing out an empty CV
1 restlessly_injected 2018-05-09
what? are you sure you replied to the right comment. it makes no sense. what are you saying?
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
You're essentially telling her that no other female has found value in you previously. Which is an indicator that maybe she shouldn't either.
1 restlessly_injected 2018-05-09
are you autistic? because you seem to not get the main point of the comment.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
I get it, I just don't agree with it. I think its not that you were showing your emotions that women found unattractive, but the causes that provoked them. (Assuming you've based this opinion on personal experience, which I am noticing now is probably extremely unlikely)
1 restlessly_injected 2018-05-09
that's not what i am saying at all. seriously, you have autism.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Ok, if I've misunderstood what you're trying to say, how? Because I'm genuinely curious.
1 DelicousIrony 2018-05-09
its not about hittting on someone. Its about in this case a woman telling this guy to be genuine with his emotions, and when he actually lets it out, she feels the need to call him creepy, because what he feels doesnt align with her reality or what he feels is scary to her.The second part might not be agreed with, but i do know personally women that wanted guys to open up to them, and then literally not be able to handle his genuine emotions.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-05-09
Never treat a woman well. They say they want respect, like we weren’t raised to be decent human beings. They lie to us constantly and string us along, as if our lives are of no consequence, as if time doesn’t exist for us. They are incapable of self reflection and incapable of understand men.
Keep them a foot away. And fuck em only when you want. Women are not men. Treating them like men does not work.
1 favorthebold 2018-05-09
Nah. I'm definitely in favor of men showing their emotions. Ya'll usually call people that do that "betas" though, don't you? I don't believe in betas, you do.
Here's a good video about one of the rare films that shows a non-standard, emotion-showing male hero:
1 whatwasthatcat 2018-05-09
Well the thing with females is that they have no sense of logic. They operate 100% according to random in the moment emotions, and their "arguments" consist of cognitive dissonance evasion and projection. That is why they hate incels so much: they cannot take the truth, so instead they project the blame onto another target (incels) to make themselves feel less guilty.
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-09
yup
1 -SpinxS 2018-05-09
well, lets agree that society as a whole is like this. both men and women can be toxic af when it comes to these things.
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
You'd be surprised, you're not very self aware, but you and other women talk about how incels should stop whining and grow up without showing empathy. Not your fault because biologically men are logical and women are socially competent.
Men are like this too, I've seen plenty, but both genders do this.
1 Hydroeletric_ 2018-05-09
I see men being understanding of each other's feeling much more than women.
If you show weakness to a girlfriend or wife she will punish you in ways not even herself realizes. She may feel pity for you and lend you a shoulder to cry but when her attraction for you fades and suddenly she's "just fell out of love", don't complain.
1 Space-Pirate-Calico 2018-05-09
When you confess your feelings to another man, he pats you on the shoulder and tell you not to worry, everything will work out.
When you confess your feelings to a woman, she laughs and tells you to man up.
1 BetterIncel 2018-05-09
TOXIC MASCULINITY? HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-09
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There is, however, toxic femininity. It's responsible for incels.
1 slothsenpai 2018-05-09
Women are the biggest instigators of toxic masculinity. Even the Chad, jock, badboy, rude boy types will at least have some basic compassion and understanding towards his bros. You virtue-signalling cunts can go to hell.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-05-09
I thought women aren’t a hivemind
1 keyandfeels 2018-05-09
Hey man ugly mentally ill people need entertainment too while the actual winners are out fucking hot chicks lmao.
1 BF8211 2018-05-09
No it's not, it's feminist bullshit made up to try and stop sub 8 men from acting alpha or expressing anger over their lack of romantic success.
1 Sideism 2018-05-09
Only the appearance of helpfulness is important if you're not actually interacting with anyone in any close or meaningful way. Because eventually they'll notice and be drawn away from you.
1 CursedCel 2018-05-09
The last time I told a close female friend I was feeling down because I was lonely I was called a faggot and lost a close female friend. Women are fucking vicious if you "open up" and admit to the fact that you're a low value man.
Now I just make self-deprecating jokes about it because it's easier to deflect the inevitable "are you actually though?" comments.
1 DelicousIrony 2018-05-09
its not about hittting on someone. Its about in this case a woman telling this guy to be genuine with his emotions, and when he actually lets it out, she feels the need to call him creepy, because what he feels doesnt align with her reality or what he feels is scary to her.The second part might not be agreed with, but i do know personally women that wanted guys to open up to them, and then literally not be able to handle his genuine emotions.
1 BUTT_NECTAR 2018-05-09
well then almost the entire global female population is redditors even without visiting the site.
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-09
then don't criticize us for whining