Forever alone women are ugly chad chasers

Very correct

Wait, you're degrading single women while being a single male?...

They do that a lot.

But they're incel!!!!!!

You women have no common sense lol

And which common sense am I lacking? Hmm?

The common one.

We're getting laid. So I guess we don't have that "need" clouding any entitled judgements, beta.

What

Not sure how I can make that statement clearer for you, buddy? Is it a commen sense issue...?

Yes it is a issue that you people are stupid

Ah, yes. It is a pretty big problem that every woman ever is exactly the same person. Damn these genitals. Of course, that thought process wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that no woman wants to fuck you. Of course. Obviously. I'm just going to recharge my cyborg batteries so I can cry more about it. You can take that time to Wiki a somewhat intelligent response, beta.

You dont even make sense are you drunk

Haha fuck off roastie go raise your black baby alone

Ah, yes. Exactly the intelligent response I was referring to. Also, I want to apologize on behalf of women for being so emotional all the time. Y'all are just so great at not letting things get to you. Beta.

lmfao it's funny you mention this because I was literally about to say the same thing 😂

I need some more tears to cure my beef jerky, and I think I just found the tap. This sub is amazing and i can’t wait to read your convulsions and blathering and lying to yourselves about how the world works. Ooh ooh, now call me a normie! This is a fun sub!

Your reading comprehension is shit.

To be fair, at least at the time of the sub going private, most of the users on r/foreveralonewomen were not even single - they were in relationships or married.

Really? Shit. I didn't realize it was that bad.

i missed you danny

Thanks, man.

Lol don’t you wish they would all just smush under your boot?

Imagine being this low IQ

Lol you say that like incels aren't a bunch of ugly guys trying to chase Stacy.

Do you talk to girls irl other than your mother?

So you can't prove that he's a Stacy chaser, right?

That was the dream when I was in high school. I wanted a hot blonde Stacey and that's who I chased. Then reality kicked in, I never really thought of myself as being ugly or even cared about how I looked until one day my Stacey girlcrush blurted out at me "YOURE SOOOOO UGLYYYYYY".

Reality kicked in, and since then nothing was the same. I came to terms with my ugliness, and adjusted accordingly. I haven't went after a hot Stacey since then. Most of the girls I tried to talk to since then have all been below average looking girls, I usually try to target ones with at least 1 major flaw (overweight, large nose, acne/bad skin, etc). I continue to get nowhere. Things got so bad at one point, I matched with a transgender on Tinder, It was an early stage tranny so she was still pretty masculine and not that cute looking. Rejected too.

Someone can say something to you, just once, but you can think it at the rate of 1,250-1,500 words per minute. If you start thinking about it all day everyday, it really fucks you up. Sorry the hot blonde Stacey was so horrible to you dude. Negative reinforcement sucks.

Holy shit,don't feel bad I got ghosted from a crippled in a wheel chair and a midget

Yeah bro. I got ghosted by my uncle after i showed him two guys making out.

... you’re a cock to talk about people in chairs like that

So what she was a cock for ignoring me when she's a freaking cripple

She’s well within her rights since you sound p retarded, which is widely considered a dealbreaker.

It's over for you.

Yeah, because they aren't lol do you think we'd ever reject an ugly person?

Thats strictly ugly women who do that.

HAHAHA exactly.

Wait aren't you a normie that has a gf I've seen you

Goddamn fakedel

I don’t have a gf

You are a above average looking normie who literally got a gf off of r/incels lmao I know who you are

Are you hating on someone for having a girlfriend?

It's hilarious because I think most of the people in this sub would immediately jump ship the first chance they got to be in a relationship.

Uh well no shit

Unless they'd be mgtow

i.e. gay

mstow*

Well the only reason I'm stating an obvious fact like that is because of how much hatred is spewed and echoed about woman and people in relationships in this sub. This community is absolutely rife with hypocrisy

Commies hate monies until they become rich. Then they are fine with monies. That's how life works, pal.

So if you recognize the fallacy, why do you continue to perpetuate it?

I'm not a commie 🤔😘 nice try though

Lul

If you wouldn't then you're a volcel.

True, but check my other comments.

cucks have gilfiend, chad owns femoids

he got a gf from r/incels then started talking shit when she left him

To be fair the dude is kind of a huge piece of shit

She left me awhile back

Dude, it's been ages.

lol so hes back

Incels are ugly Stacy chasers

Wrong

Okay Donald

Nice guys*

Icels would take any woman, including the ugliest fattest most deformed one. The fact is when it comes to sex and relationships women only want the best of men while men woulf take any available woman.

aka Board_Gaming

Not me.

No u

And even then they end up with blacks, which taints them even further.

Incels are sad Stacy stalkers

Lolol

I know that women can be incel. Doesn't matter what you say or think.

There are plenty of guys with no standards that want you. Make a tinder, you'll get ten guys within the first day hitting on you even if you look like shrek

You're just a little bitch

Yikes. Maybe you should work on your personality a bit if you want to be in a relationship.

Y I K E S

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Can't tell if this is satire or not honestly lmao

Well unfortunately the comment that I responded to has since been deleted, but my response here was to a nasty remark made by a foid claiming to be incel.

So you do the math.

Vocel*. femaloids can be vocel. they can however never be incel, since even the ugliest women can jsut download tinder and find someone

Bullshit

dont say "bullshit" when its true. if you dont belive me try it yourself. downlaod tinder, use pictures of a ugly girl, see what happens

Hey, xxxrivenmainxxx, just a quick heads-up:
belive is actually spelled believe. You can remember it by i before e.
Have a nice day!

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Proof? We have numerous experiments showing even the foulest women receiving attention, what's your evidence to the contrary?

Lol even the ugliest guys can get laid. Just not by a fantasy chick that's 10/10 and has waited like a patient virgin for u

wrong

Now you, you're alone because of your personality. "I'm literally perfect and still have no gf" in your post history.

That or you're a troll, but a year solid of trolling is a long time my friend.

if it was my personality, i would be getting matches on tinder. case closed

I know they can't. Doesn't matter what you say or think boyo

Theoretically, women can be incel. They just never are.

Lol you say that like incels aren't a bunch of ugly guys trying to chase Stacy.

And again... I am no longer able to have sex because of a medical condition. I cannot find someone who wants to have a relationship with someone who has such a medical condition and no libido. (no it's not an STD. NO it is not because of my sexual history. No, I will not perform fellatio just because some guy wants it, because it will do absolutely fuck all for me, so why would I want to? I am not an emotionless sex toy or just here to be used for someone's sexual gratification by use of my mouth)

I am involuntarily celibate.

Sheesh. I should get it printed on a t-shirt or something.

Just do it greek style, or get a foot fetish or something

Did the "NO LIBIDO" bit pass right by you?

Yeah

Look it up in a dictionary.

I can't read

stop posting here. you should be banned. you are a VOCEL(voluntary celibat) .

You 1) dont want sex/intamicy anyway

2) you put zero effort into finding someone.

youre not looking for a relationship, youre looking for a roommate/good friend who will betabux for you.

How can I be volcel if I cannot find someone to have a relationship with? Just like all you little incels who cling to your title like a maiden aunt clutching her pearls who ask for relationships and get turned down, so do I.

1. It's not just about sex.
2. I put effort in.

If you think relationships are all about having someone to fuck, and not someone to share your life with, someone to love who loves you, someone to care about who cares about you, and someone you can envisage spending the rest of your life with as an emotional equal, then I seriously have doubts that you will have any lasting relationships with anyone. It's NOT about the sex. Sex is just a nice little extra for those that can have it. The rest is INTIMACY. That doesn't have a "must contain graphic material" warning label on it.

I already have my brother living here. That's not the relationship I want.

You have absolutely zero idea about relationships and intimacy, do you? You think it's all about getting naked and sweaty, but it isn't. You need to learn something about life.

You sound like someone who needs to find an asexual partner.

They are out there and you just need to be very clear what you're looking for.

I have been very clear, and I'm unfortunately not finding any. The problem is that asexuals generally aren't looking for partners, especially not online, and they're not really after a romance anyway.

I want a romance, but guys want sex, which is something I can't provide.

That's too bad. I didn't realize it was that hard. Don't give up.

I'm not giving up (unlike some people here). I'm still hopeful, and with any luck, someone will come along in time. I'm moving to a new area later in the year, so that might make a difference to my chances. Round here, it's all just guys wanting sex, and as soon as they find out it's off the menu, they vanish.

Stay positive girl!

I'm not asking your age, but it does seem that older men (35 & up) are more likely to be comfortable claiming they're asexual.

I'm older. They still want sex.

I put effort in.

wont even give blow jobs because "low libido"

again, in other comments you bragged about your sexual life in the past and now you wont even give blow jobs? sounds like betabux. and you could probally get one if you just searched for asexuals/low libido guys

Listen, numbnuts, In the past, I had a libido. I had a fucking awesome sex life, and enjoyed being a mutual partner in many situations, INCLUDING oral.

I've looked. Maybe you should start looking at sex-starved cougar roastie land whales, or are you too picky for that?

Wht would a woman accuse INCELS of being too picky? Is it opposite day? You literally need to be 6'4, sub 10% body fat, and 7/10+ face to even THINK about talking to an average girl lmfao.

Total rubbish. You have brainwashed yourselves with all this garbage.

Tagged as moron.

Yes, you are, aren't you...

Landwhales are in fact extremely picky, woman.

And yet so many women are complaining of being lonely.

But you'd all rather use shallow apps and whine than get out and meet people properly.

And yet so many women are complaining of being lonely.

Because they have somewhat high standards. Nothing wrong with having them but eh, then you lose the right to preach about this stuff to other people.

But you'd all rather use shallow apps and whine than get out and meet people properly.

sigh

Is that "just approach women, bro" I'm hearing, woman?

No, it's the "go out, join clubs, societies, groups and things. Get hobbies that are mixed sexes and you will then meet women within a relaxed social setting that is nothing to do with sex or relationships, and then people will get to know you instead of judging you on your face" thing you're hearing.

Approaching women through hobby setting is worse than even approaching women at work. How old are you? 45 oh that's right, you're actually old.

That's right, I'm actually old, and I have a hobby I have been doing for a long time now, and I've seen a lot of various people getting together because they met through doing that hobby. Now there's a shocker. I've actually seen it happen!

And I didn't! Well, let's fight our subjective experiences, shall we?

So what was your hobby? How many people were there? How long did you partake of the particular hobby? What sort of age ranges are we talking about being present? What was the relative split between males and females?

So you can nitpick and tell me "this is why you're incel"? It doesn't work like that.

Nope. You were the one that wanted to discuss it, so let's discuss.

I was only going to compare my 26 years in a society that has at least 2000 members of all ages, mixed sexes, major social scene as well as the historical interest, and has so many couples that met doing it who now have kids they bring along... With whatever it is you've done in the past.

Argumentum ad verecundiam detected.

Argumentum ad verecundiam

No, just me telling you about my hobby. You can look it up. English Civil War reenactment.

It was implied that "ooh, I was in a hobby that was this and that, let's compare our hobbies and see how pathetic yours is".

Although it's implying implications, I can't see any other explanation towards your tone.

Which side do you usually join? Roundheads or Cavaliers?

I'm on the parliamentarian side, but I fell into the hobby via a friend on that side. We don't really take it that seriously though off the field, and it's an absolutely brilliant time. I would recommend it to anyone who likes being in a group of people who socialise heavily, enjoy a hobby, like a good (safe) scrap on the field, and don't mind getting dirty and camping.

I wasn't implying your hobbies were pathetic. My implication was that there were more things people could be out doing and in larger groups, particularly ones with a more varied age group.

That sounds pretty cool, actually. Glad that you're enjoying it!

Give it a try... DM me if you're interested. It is an amazing social scene

English Civil War reenactment.

Ever done Battle of Nantwich?

Battle of Nantwich

I haven't, no. It looks like it's one of the other societies that has that one as a regular event though. If you're interested, you should go along.

I can still have an emotional relationship with NO SEX, which is what your libido is about, but guys want sex, so I get ghosted. An emotional relationship is not just someone using an unwilling partner in order to get their jollies. You better learn that, and fast.

Inceldom is about not being able to have an emotional and/or sexual relationship despite trying to do so and wanting to have one. It's not just your little buzzword for your little niche part of involuntary celibacy.

I can't do anal, and if I don't have a sex drive, then sucking dick would be about as interesting and exciting as sucking my own thumb, and I haven't done that in a very long time, which shows you how desperate I am to do that. I don't think anyone would find that sexually stimulating anyway, and if they did, then I would know they weren't bothered about my feelings. It would just be about their own pleasure.

If I have no sex drive, then it means I don't want sex at all, which is kind of useful, since to have sex would mean extreme pain for me. Well, excuse me for being reluctant to be in pain. Rub chilli powder over your knob, or crush a testicle in a garlic press and see how keen you are on having sex. I am not a sexual masochist.

How am I fucking it up for myself voluntarily?

So is yours. You could easily get out and find a nice, old, cougar, roastie land whale in order to lose your virginity, but... well, what's your fucking excuse?

I am NOT a sex toy. I do NOT have to suck some guy's knob to get him off because he can't be fucking bothered having a wank.

No you don't, because there is NO rational excuse that even a dilbert like you could dream up.

I AM NOT A SEX TOY. I am a living, human being with emotions, and being used as a sex toy is not high on my list of priorities.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you. There's lots of ugly women out there looking for a relationship, but you don't want ugly. Not my fucking problem if you are a picky fucker. At least you have the ability to have a sex life.

YOU'RE THE TOSSER TELLING ME I SHOULD JUST SUCK SOME GUY'S KNOB BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET OFF AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED HAVING A WANK SO WANTS TO STUFF HIS DICK IN THE MOUTH OF SOMEONE NOT EVEN REMOTELY SEXUALLY AROUSED OR EXCITED BY IT.

Fuck sake.

You go screw some sex-starved roastie then, that you don't even find the slightest bit attractive and need a fucking atlas to find her vagina, she's that big. They're out there, and they are desperate for someone to fuck them

Off you trot and do your duty like a good little sex toy.

I'm not. I know a lot more about life than you do. There's lots of women out there who are "forever alone" and looking for a nice guy. You're just looking in the wrong place.

Get off the internet and get out and meet people. Join clubs, groups, societies... Get new hobbies that aren't solo operations, and stop being a complete and utter misogynistic waste of space. You may have some hope if you manage to ditch the attitude, and just go out and have a life instead of dwelling on all the sex you're not getting.

And since when was I on there with the exception of the ONE FUCKING THREAD in which I defended incels? Hmm?

Get your head out of your arse.

STOP THINKING YOU'LL BE USED AS A SEX TOY

Forcing someone to suck your dick who doesn't like sucking dick is making them a sex toy.

you telling me that if a huge gay man kidnapped you and forced you to blow him when he wanted, you wouldn't think you're a sex toy?

What if it was some odd world in the reverse, you don't like eating pussy but your girl forces you to. You wouldn't bitch that she makes you do it even if you didn't want to?

YOU MENTALLY ILL CUNT

That's also why you don't get laid. Seriously calm the fuck down who the fuck was yelling at you? You can't get laid Because you're an asshole. Someone tries to relate and you get mad. You're not an incel. An incel is someone who wants to but can't get laid. You hate girls, don't act like you want to have sex with them. You're not incel, you choose to be a piece of shit that literally no one could possibly fucking like. You choose to act like such a fucking pathetic piece of shit. Why would anyone want to be with you. Imagine you finally got laid, and got a girlfriend and she found out this is what you said to people online. Fuck, I'd think even some of your male friends would stop talking to you. You literally have 0 redeeming qualities, have no right to judge anyone but somehow expect sex. And again you choose to have 0. You could stop being an asshole but you believe you can't change and you make your own self fulfilling Destiny. Someone even said earlier you could get a desperate couger and you said "nope I can't lol" yeah you fucking can't because you won't even try. Literally why would anyone want you when you can't even be bother to try until you succeed.

Haha come on offal don't be ridiculous

And if a subhuman like you deems me offal, what do real humans think?

Well done. You just proved my inceldom.

Is you cunt still hurting from being gang-banged by 10 BBC's? I hope it does you volcel degenerate whore.

You really do have a vivid (and even more degenerate than mine) imagination.

I never got the chance to experience a BBC. Oh well. No good complaining about it now.

You are CHOOSING not to have sex with him. You could suck him off or do anal

Ah yup, you've never been laid. Porn isn't real dipshit, Anal isn't something as easy as you think it is, and most people who aren't in porn don't enjoy it. Even men.

but you are choosing not to and therefore you can't find a guy. That's not inceldom in the slighest.

This is a little true. Sounds more likes she's asexual and just can't find an asexual man as well.

Stop assuming you are being used for sex just because no guy wants to be your

asexual betabuxx,

Asexual men exist. This is why you don't get laid. One girl tries to fucking relate and you just attack her.

Likes women, is faggot. Logic. Stalking your posts? so you're not just retarded with girls, you're retarded in general. How am I stalking you, this is all the same fucking thread you idiot. Don't play victim and exaggerate lmao. And Cancerous? you're the cancer dude, telling people girls are shit for existing. You literally treat everyone like shit but somehow you aren't the cancer? How do you live with yourself thinking you're doing the right thing?

An emotional relationship is not just someone using an unwilling partner in order to get their jollies.

An emotional relationship is one that implies intimacy, and you explicitly say that you're not willing to have any sort of intimacy at all. So it's really unclear what kind of relationship you want, but it does seem (to me at least) that it boils down to unrealistic demands where you want some form of commitment but are unwilling to give anything in return. And that commitment obviously will have to come from a sufficiently attractive man too.

Intimacy does not require sex. You'll learn this when you grow up.

I’m grown up in my 30’s, not an incel by any means, and your comment is false. Intimacy absolutely requires sexual pleasure. If you’re not engaging in sexual acts, then you are nothing more than a platonic friendship (even if its deeply emotional).

Thats just the facts. And I think sex is wildly overrated, I also have a low sex drive. But to say that intimacy doesnt require sex is just ridiculous.

Intimacy can be anything up to and including sex. It doesn't have to include sex though. There's naked cuddles, kissing, touching, showering together, and all sorts of other things that you wouldn't do with a platonic friend.

Don't be an arse about it. Sex is just a small part of an intimate relationship.

You're not really making a good case for yourself here - so you're not averse to physical (i.e. sexual) intimacy. You just refuse to engage in any form of intimacy that might in any way involve a male partner's sexual organs. Sorry, but this kind of specific preference just can't be chalked up to sexuality - it's your choice, plain and simple. It's just a choice you want to absolve yourself of because you want to paint yourself as a victim and/or because you want to hurt incels.

Physical intimacy is not the same a sexual intimacy. You need to learn that. There's all sorts of physical intimacy that doesn't include sexual organs, but when it comes to being turned on enough to want to mess about, that just isn't happening.

It's not a preference. It's not even a choice. It's pain. Pure and simple.

Because I have pretty much constant pain in my abdomen (usually around my liver for the most part), I have to be on pain medication. The ones I am currently on are the strongest they will give me before going onto morphine, which I am aiming to avoid as long as possible, because at least at the moment I can still function and do stuff.

I am a victim of a nasty ailment that is not going to get any better, just worse till it kills me. I didn't have it by choice. I didn't do anything to cause it. I didn't suddenly wake up one morning thinking "Oh, I know, let's develop a horribly debilitating condition that will rob me of my sex life".

It's not a case of hurting incels. It's a case of "I can relate because I keep getting rejected too because of something out of my control". It's a case of "I've been there and done that, so I can maybe give some help and advice to people who might have a chance of the fun I had". It's a case of "I care about people and want them to be happy". It's a case of "I can't have sex or a relationship either despite really, really wanting one".

You really have a persecution complex if you think someone wanting to identify with you, help you, advise you and maybe even comfort you is only here to hurt anyone.

It's pain

Your refusal to engage in any contact with your partner's sexual organs is not motivated by pain - you even said as much yourself when you mentioned that you won't do it because it won't bring you any pleasure.

It's a case of "I can relate

But you don't relate - you are conflating incels' issues with your ow, even though you are distinct. You are ultimately hindered by your very specific preferences, whereas incels are hindered by factors completely out of their control. You have the option to increase your likelihood of finding a partner by lowering your standards and being open to those forms of sexual contact that do not involve your genitals and thus cause you no pain. You choose not to take those options, and that's fine, but that means your situation is fundamentally different from that of an incel man, because an incel man has no option that he can take to increase his chances.

You really have a persecution complex if you think someone wanting to identify with you, help you, advise you and maybe even comfort you is only here to hurt anyone.

Even if you are not consciously seeking to hurt incels (although given your other reply, I find that hard to believe), you still are hurting them. You're perpetuating the belief that all incels are able to find partners, but reject potential ones due to high standards and other similar issues. This essentially erases those men who have no options at all - the ones who are literally not attractive enough to attract anyone.

You really have no idea, do you? You think you know everything, and yet you know nothing.

Which options do you think I should take that I am not? Enlighten me.

I get snippy at individuals who are completely idiotic. Learn the fucking difference.

You have the option to increase your likelihood of finding a partner by lowering your standards and being open to those forms of sexual contact that do not involve your genitals and thus cause you no pain.

I'm engaging you in actual conversation on a sub where flinging feces at each other is the default mode of communication. Maybe do me the bare minimum courtesy of reading my comments at least?

To elaborate, you don't even have to take BOTH of those options. After all, asexual women don't have any trouble finding partners, and nor do women with severe debilitating illnesses (again I raise the example of the epileptic girl I went to college with). Even if we assume that your asexuality and illness conspire together to make you utterly unattractive to the men you see as in your league, you still only need to make one compromise - either become open to dating less attractive men (i.e. compromise on your standards) or become open to sexual contact to whatever extent that it doesn't hurt you. Or - and this is an option too! - don't. You can compromise, but you don't have to. It's not your duty to adjust your standards or please anyone if you don't want to. The choice is yours.

I read your comment. I asked you which standards I had to lower, since my only standards are the ones that will not exacerbate my condition and someone I can actually enjoy spending time with. I already said all that, but you obviously didn't read it.

Asexuality is not the same as heterosexuality and not being able to have sex. It's a totally different ballgame.

I am not fussy about face, build, hair colour, or any physical traits. I don't give a fuck what a guy looks like, because looks fade over time anyway, even for the most attractive men.

Sexual contact would be great, but I have a problem that my medication (not standards or anything else I can change) means I don't have much interest in it most of the time. The constant pain also has an effect on wanting intimacy of a sexual nature. The wish is there, but so is the knowledge of the pain it can cause, and a guy will need a lot of patience in order to deal with my particular medical condition.

Dear god. I really wish sometimes that you people could possibly understand what it is actually like being in my position, but you just point blank refuse to.

I asked you which standards I had to lower, since my only standards are the ones that will not exacerbate my condition and someone I can actually enjoy spending time with.

From your account it's clear that "Someone I can actually enjoy spending time with" is a sufficiently attractive man. Lower your standards of attractiveness - be more open to dating less attractive men who don't get many or any opportunities to have sex.

I don't give a fuck what a guy looks like

And yet as I've mentioned before, every single guy you get together with is a guy that can reasonably expect sex in an encounter with a woman and isn't desperate for a connection, meaning all of them are not unattractive.

The wish is there, but so is the knowledge of the pain it can cause

See, the more you keep claiming that ANY SEXUAL CONTACT AT ALL will cause you pain, while avoiding going into any specifics, the less anyone here will be inclined to trust your account at all. I can imagine a medical condition which would cause intercourse to be painful for you, but I don't think your illness is going to make your fingers fall off if you so much as touch a penis.

I really wish sometimes that you people could possibly understand what it is actually like being in my position

Do you think that if I understood your position better and had deeper empathy for it, I would be more accepting of the idea of conflating your issues with involuntary celibacy to the detriment of incel men? If so, why?

OK, here's the deal. I will not sugar coat anything.

Between your diaphragm and your pelvis there is a bag of fluid containing your organs. This is called the peritoneal sac. Inside it there is your liver, kidneys, spleen, bladder, and all the rest of it, and girls get the extra joy of a reproductive system in there too. In this bag of fluid, things move around as you move. Not majorly, but enough that movement of your body is easy as things shift out the way and slide round one another to accommodate the movement.

With me so far? Good.

Well, in some people, scar tissue will form inside this bag, caused by a variety of different things, but in my case it's because I have PCOS. This is where little cysts form on the ovary instead of it releasing an egg, and when the cyst bursts, it causes scar tissue. My scar tissue caused me to be sterile because it wrapped around my Fallopian tubes, which I found out in the mid 90s. Scar tissue that tears causes more scar tissue. Scar tissue that pulls causes more scar tissue.

When I had to have a hysterectomy, I was told by the surgeon that he never wanted to operate on me again because (and this is a direct quote) "It is a complete mess in there". They had to remove my left ovary because it had been pulled apart by scar tissue, and my cervix was removed for the same reason. They repaired my right ovary so I wouldn't have to go onto HRT, and left it in there.

So, I got scar tissue from the hysterectomy, and that scar tissue started attaching to my organs, because it grows for no reason out from the original site.

They didn't realise how bad I was until they decided to remove my gall bladder. When they went in laparoscopicly, the surgeon found a peritoneal inclusion cyst attached to the inside of my peritoneal sac. The gall bladder removal also kick-started scar growth in the top of the peritoneal cavity, as well as the stuff at the bottom.

So... I have scar tissue slowly gluing my insides together. Movement pulls the scarring and inflicts pain. This includes things like walking, bending over, turning over in bed, digesting food... When you add in things like repetitive arm movements for wanking someone off, well, that pulls scar tissue too and hurts. So does bobbing around when sucking a dick. Having something inserted vaginally or anally would pull and tear scar tissue, because not only does it attach to organs, it's also attached to where my cervix used to be (which is attached to my intestines as well by the way) and to the surrounds of my vagina, and my remaining ovary is also attached to my sigmoid colon, which is on the opposite side of the pelvis.

When the scar tissue pulls it is painful enough to require strong painkillers. When it rips it is excruciating.

So... I currently have scarring round my kidneys, my liver, my intestines (which could cause complete blockage, but currently only partially blocks my gut in various places), my cervix, my vagina, my colon, my spleen, and all the other bits in there. I also have scarring right around my remaining ovary, and a solid cystic mass next to it that is the size of a small orange, plus a liquid cyst that slowly fills like a blister, which the last time they drained it contained nearly two pints of fluid. The ovary, solid cyst and fluid cyst press on my sciatic nerve as well, so the pain radiates down my leg.

The scar tissue will only continue to grow. There is no cure, and there is no treatment other than painkillers, and even they currently only take the edge off rather than getting rid of the pain. As a last resort, they will perform surgery in an emergency, but only if it is life-threatening, such as if my intestines get completely blocked by scar tissue wrapping around it and pulling like a noose. The scar tissue can also cause ischaemia as it constricts blood vessels, which can cause necrosis and sepsis.

As you can possibly guess, my life is one of pain. I seldom get out of the house because I can't walk far (but I can walk too far to be able to claim any disability that would enable me to get something like a wheelchair and I can't afford to get one on my own), and I spend a lot of my time on painkillers, and mostly spend my time sitting on the sofa trying not to move all that much. Typing is fine, because it uses the lower part of the arm, so I can mooch about on the net as much as I want and communicate with people.

Perhaps now you can fathom why I find it difficult to find a partner, and have just about given up, because this is only going to get worse, and who would want to be with someone like that? It's going to kill me, and I have accepted that fact too.

I have written this out more than once in my time here. Perhaps I should save it as a word doc, so I don't have to type it all out every time someone questions my abilities to do sexual things.

Perhaps now you will understand. I am involuntarily celibate because my medical condition restricts me so much that no one is interested.

When you add in things like repetitive arm movements for wanking someone off, well, that pulls scar tissue too and hurts

So would kissing, hugging and any other intimate contact, yet you said yourself that you are only averse to sexual contact as long as it involves a man's sexual organs. You are contradicting yourself.

I am involuntarily celibate because my medical condition restricts me so much that no one is interested.

As I said, other women in your situation and worse don't particularly struggle with dating and romance. You have the option of being more open to sexual contact that doesn't involve intercourse, and you have the option of lowering your standards, which are obviously fairly high. To do neither is a choice, so your celibacy is not voluntary and to pretend that it is would be harmful to actual incels.

The fact that you have a medical condition that causes you so much pain is horrible and I sympathize (you're right, I can't empathize - can't imagine what it's like to live with a condition like yours), but that doesn't give you the right to erase incels' problems simply because you want to.

I haven't erased anything. I have only said that I too am involuntarily celibate. How is that erasing someone else's problem?

Kissing, hugging and other intimate contact do not involve lots of repetitive movement. I have not said anywhere that I am averse to contact involving sexual organs, just that I can't do much with them. Good grief.

Which standards? Someone I can converse with. Someone who doesn't want sex. Someone who doesn't flail or fidget in bed (because being hit by accident in the stomach at night is going to be damaging and cause pain). NOWHERE in that little list is there anything about looks. Which of those standards would you suggest I lower?

I have only said that I too am involuntarily celibate. How is that erasing someone else's problem?

You are celibate because have very specific requirements for a boyfriend and refuse to alter them. Incels are celibate because nobody wants to have any intimacy with them whatsoever. As I said, your problems are no less real - they're just fundamentally different. To claim that you are incel would lead people to assume that incel men are also ultimately choosing to be alone. That would completely erase the stores of men who literally have no options whatsoever - and those men are already pretty invisible.

Kissing, hugging and other intimate contact do not involve lots of repetitive movement.

You are still contradicting yourself. First you said that any sexual contact is out of the question and specifically mentioned your inability to enjoy it as the reason. Then you cited pain as the reason. Now it's apparently not all sexual contact but only that which involves repetitive movements on your part, which incidentally doesn't include intercourse. You're starting to sound more and more like someone getting lost in their own lies, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you. Please describe consistently what your condition is, what kind of intimacy is possible for you and what kind of intimacy you are open to.

NOWHERE in that little list is there anything about looks.

I've already already described twice why I think you're choosing attractive men. Plenty of unattractive and desperate men gladly enter relationships which involve little or no sexual intimacy, yet for all the men you've dealt with that was an instant deal breaker, meaning they see sex as a given in a relationship. Meaning, they're men for whom sex is a given in a relationship. Meaning, they're sufficiently attractive.

Oh dear fucking god. You really don't get it, do you?

You are nothing but an ignorant moron with absolutely NO sympathy for anyone else's problems if they are female.

I fucking hope to god your perfect little girlfriend doesn't end up with this condition, because you will just kill her all the faster by fucking her because you have a need and she is making a choice not to have sex.

Fuck off, you sanctimonious little troll.

So you won't even do me the favor of clearing up the contradictions in your own account about your own illness?

Is it because you are making that illness up and that was actually you getting confused about how it's supposed to work?

Which contradictions?

Making it up?!? I told you exactly what I suffer from in a very, very long post. In great detail. And by the way, I named the relevant bits, because I'm a bit odd like that, and I have to get some fun out of a terminal condition.

Which contradictions?

The ones I pointed out above.

I told you exactly what I suffer from in a very, very long post

That wasn't exact because that description was contradicted by a previous statement you made, and then by a statement you made later.

Which contradictions?

And which bits were contradicted?

Come on... Get on with it.

Two comments above I already detailed what the contradictions are. And specifically asked you to address them. Refer to that comment.

Repeat it for me. I can't be bothered finding it all again and then filleting out your minuscule points out of all the rest of the shit you've typed.

Go on. Fetch!

By the way- do you realise how much you sound like an IT member arguing with the incels here?

I do, actually. It's pretty ironic. Though to be fair, you're acting like an ITer too. "You're not an incel" is something that ITers say, but ITers also flip out and turn to insults and door-slamming when presented with arguments that they can't refute. So hey pot, I'm kettle.

I've never argued the point when some guy has claimed to be incel. That's the difference. I haven't nitpicked about exactly how they are incel unlike you. You're browbeating and bullying someone just because you think it should be oh so easy to get a partner.

Well bully for you, you able-bodied twat.

I've never argued the point when some guy has claimed to be incel.

That's also your choice - if you see someone's account and have reason to believe that they're lying about being an incel, you're free to tell them as much. I have named all the reasons why I believe you're not incel. I'm not doing it out of some blind hate for women - I'm doing it because your situation is fundamentally different and to pretend that it's identical to that of incel would be harmful to incels.

You're browbeating and bullying someone just because you think it should be oh so easy to get a partner.

It's not easy for you to find a partner. It's probably hard, based on what you've told me about your situation. But it's clearly not impossible since women in similar and worse situations to yours still successfully date. As long as it's not impossible and an element of choice is present, your situation is simply different from that of an incel man.

And all these guys can look around and see short, fat, ugly guys with girlfriends. Go tell them they're doing something wrong, they need to lower their standards or take a fucking shower because they're not incel by your own definition.

Fuck off.

But often does, and you're arbitrarily rejecting anyone who desires a sexual connection, simply because having one does not please you as much as you think it should. It's your choice. But it is your choice - nobody is forcing you to reject such men.

I don't reject them. This is what you're missing.

I get people interested. They find out that I can't have sex. They vanish. It's like the guys here that get messaged, then send a pic, or discuss their penis size, and suddenly get ghosted.

It's not a choice.

No, I will not perform fellatio just because some guy wants it, because it will do absolutely fuck all for me, so why would I want to?

You conceal a medical issue AND your unwillingness to ever have sex with them from them, and then you're surprised they're not comfortable with carrying that relationship forward? What this tells me is that you:

1) Choose men who are sufficiently attractive that they reasonably count on finding someone who will have sex with them, and don't see a sexless relationship as normal, healthy and desirable

2) Sabotage the relationship by not being upfront about your medical issues or your ideological refusal to sexually please them

3) Have a strong desire to frame the above two choices as something other than your own choices, for one of the two equally possible, and equally selfish, reasons.

In other words, you choose to have high standards and you choose to mislead your partners, and your account doesn't provide any further information about any other issues that might keep you incel. So, what's your basis for conflating your issues with those of incels? They are clearly distinct. Note that I'm not even unsympathetic towards your problems - you don't sound like you're having a good time of it. But I am unsympathetic to your claims that your are incel, because to conflate your problems with those that incels face would simply erase the latter and further harm incels.

So... why?

1. I do not hide my medical condition. I make it plain straight off the bat, because concealing it would be wrong.

2. I don't pick and choose men based on looks. I did once when I was in my early teens. I fancied this guy for years before realising he was a colossal prick and going off him. Since then looks have always been secondary for me.

3. I am in pain. Yes, it's probably selfish not to want to do something to exacerbate that pain, but it's my pain, and I'm not going to be enjoying something if it is making that pain worse.

4. Would you suck some guy's knob because he wanted you to? No? Why? You have a mouth too. Oh, you wouldn't find it sexually stimulating and wouldn't get anything out of it? Or how about going down on a woman knowing you're only doing that for her pleasure and getting nothing else out of it than going down there for as long as she wants you to? No? OK then. Perhaps you may figure it out at some point if those illustrations didn't paint a good enough picture.

You know sod all about me from your little diatribe here. The person you are describing is not me. I have posted several times about my medical condition, sometimes in excruciatingly vivid detail and extremely bluntly. I don't hide it from anyone at any time if it is relevant to a conversation or situation. I have not met anyone from dating sites without them being aware of my limitations, and from that, I managed coffee with one guy who disappeared when he realised I wasn't actually kidding about the pain, painkillers and all the rest of it.

I posted the following a few minutes ago in response to someone else:

It's not a case of hurting incels. It's a case of "I can relate because I keep getting rejected too because of something out of my control". It's a case of "I've been there and done that, so I can maybe give some help and advice to people who might have a chance of the fun I had". It's a case of "I care about people and want them to be happy". It's a case of "I can't have sex or a relationship either despite really, really wanting one".

The question really is: why not?

Or how about going down on a woman knowing you're only doing that for her pleasure and getting nothing else out of it than going down there for as long as she wants you to?

Um, yeah, that's kinda exactly what I do for my girlfriend. I don't derive any pleasure directly from the act - it's valuable to me because it makes her feel good, and I want her to feel good.

Like I said, it's okay if you want to deny your potential boyfriend any sexual pleasure because you feel it would be unfair for only him to feel it. But that's still your choice.

You know sod all about me from your little diatribe here

I'm going off your own words, nothing more.

It really seems like you're taking my refusal to equate your problems with those of incels as a complete dismissal of your struggles whatsoever. That's simply not true - I sympathize and empathize with your pain issues, and while I can't empathize (being a former incel myself), I do sympathize with your romantic struggles as well. I understand that you've been dealt a shitty hand in life, but it's a different shitty hand from the one incels are playing with, and to pretend that they're the same is to erase and hurt incels for the sake of... I don't even know why you're doing it really.

why not?

Yeah, come on. "Why do this thing that ends up erasing and hurting numerous men who are already struggling?" "Why not?"

You go down on your girlfriend, but you also get everything else. It's not just you pleasuring her despite not actually feeling sexy about it.

You can sympathise, but until you have severe pain and have discovered it's going to kill you, you can't empathise.

Don't even think about trying to make me feel even slightly guilty for trying to make guys see that it's not just them that cannot find a relationship any more, and not because I'm PICKY or anything, but because men do not want to have a relationship with someone who cannot have a sexual relationship from what I have been able to find. You'd think it would make me bitter about the whole thing, but no.

It's a term for people who cannot get an emotional or sexual relationship despite wanting to. It's not an exclusive wee boys club with newspapers, cigars and leather wing chairs.

You go down on your girlfriend, but you also get everything else. It's not just you pleasuring her despite not actually feeling sexy about it.

If tomorrow my dick ceased to function and the only intimacy I could enjoy were reduced to cuddling and kissing, I would still go down on her for all the same reasons I've already outlined. Your refusal to do the same for a hypothetical male partner is understandable, but it's a refusal, not an inability.

not because I'm PICKY or anything, but because men do not want to have a relationship with someone who cannot have a sexual relationship

The men you engage with do not, but that just means you're engaging the wrong men. Asexual women don't have any significant trouble finding a partner, and as such even your refusal of sexual intimacy should not hinder you this much - the only possible explanation is that you're picking men who want a sexual relationship, i.e. your standards disqualify whatever men could possibly agree to what you have to offer.

You're not understanding a single thing, are you? You're equating it to a scenario you have never been in, and hopefully never will. I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone, because it's frustrating as hell.

Just because I am able to suck dick, doesn't mean I have to. Theoretically, you are also perfectly capable of it. But because I am female, I am supposed to just get on with it, be a good little sex toy, and get on my knees for some guy. Ever thought that not having any enthusiasm for it isn't going to make it any good? Ever thought that not actually feeling like sucking cock when the guy wants it done isn't exactly in the whole "caring for your partners wants and wishes" territory? He might want it, but what about what I want? Does that not come into it any more?

You keep calling it a "refusal" of sexual intimacy. I tell you what: you get your girlfriend to put your testicle in a garlic press and squeeze as hard as you can, then see if you really feel like licking her out.

Just because I am able to suck dick, doesn't mean I have to.

Yes, there, you said yourself - you don't have to. You can choose to do so or not to do so.

I am supposed to just get on with it

No you're not. You're free to choose. As opposed to incels who are not free to choose anything with regards to their condition. Their condition is involuntary. Yours is.

Ever thought that not actually feeling like sucking cock when the guy wants it done isn't exactly in the whole "caring for your partners wants and wishes" territory?

Again, I'm not arguing that you should or shouldn't "suck dick". Just pointing out that in your situation, "not feeling like it" plays a role - not so in case of incels, who are rejected and overlooked regardless of what choices they might make.

I tell you what: you get your girlfriend to put your testicle in a garlic press and squeeze as hard as you can, then see if you really feel like licking her out.

That's a false equivalence. And if my girlfriend insisted on doing something like that, and handed me an ultimatum, I would break up with her. And that wouldn't make me an incel, just as your refusal to do something that your partner might enjoy and you might not doesn't make you an incel either.

It's not a false equivalence. It's about the pain. It's the only way I can think of that would give you the same pain that I am in in order to demonstrate to you how difficult it is to get aroused when in that much pain.

As for the rest, I am still not a sex toy to be used as and when a guy feels like sticking his dick in someone's mouth. I'm still wondering why you can't get that simple concept. In fact, it's not like it's even an issue, because when people hear about the NO SEX bit, they disappear anyway, without even asking about bjs.

Actually, you know what? I'm no longer interested in your weaselling around trying to justify why my singleness is a "choice" of mine rather than it being involuntary, or why I find the idea of being obligated to suck dick just because I have a functional mouth despite no actual desire to do so, quite nauseating.

It's about the pain

No, it's about choice. And it's a false equivalence because your hypothetical involves a strict choice between pain+relationship and no pain+no relationship. But that is not a choice you face - you can have a relationship without pain if you lower your standards and/or become open to sexual intimacy that doesn't involve causing you pain. You choose not to, and that's okay - it's your life.

The rest of your paragraphs are basically you contradicting yourself - you claim that your refusal to engage in sexual intimacy is not a choice, and then spend two paragraphs explaining why that choice is valid. I never questioned the validity of your choice. But an understandable choice is still a choice, and that's why your situation is fundamentally different. Your inability/refusal to recognize that difference conversely invalidates your claims that you can relate to incels - you clearly cannot, because you substitute their experience with yours.

Is killing myself a choice? Yes. Do I do it? No. Why not? Oh, because it would kill me.

Is causing myself pain a choice? Yes. Do I do it? No. Why? Because I am not a masochist.

If you having sex would cause your girlfriend pain, would you do it? You do have a choice you know... If you say "No", justify your choice of refusal.

You seem to neglect the fact that my current condition, outlined in a separate reply, is the reason men reject me. Incels get rejected as partners for whatever reason. I get rejected as a partner for my specific reason. How is that different? I was bullied at school, teased, taunted, shoved to the outside, ignored, and all the rest of it. You don't think that experience is relevant either?

People do in fact choose to kill themselves and/or inflict pain on themselves given the circumstances. A choice is a choice.

If you say "No", justify your choice of refusal.

The "justification" for such a choice is pretty obvious, so let's just skip that part. Instead, let's focus on your request itself - are you implying that a choice is only a choice when it's unjustified? Are you saying that any voluntary action that is justified is actually involuntary?

You seem to neglect the fact that my current condition, outlined in a separate reply, is the reason men reject me.

I'm not neglecting it - I'm disputing the idea that it's the sole reason men reject you, and that all men reject you. If you want to address the doubts I raised about those two points (in a previous comment), feel free to do so - it would be much appreciated. But so far you have chosen to simply ignore them, and as such I can't help thinking they make you uncomfortable because they are true.

I already said I am not a masochist, and I do not wish to shorten my lifespan by adding to the already considerable burden of scar tissue in my abdomen. So no, I am not willing to inflict pain on myself or have someone else do it just so they can get their jollies.

Let's not skip the choice of inflicting pain. Would you or wouldn't you? Simple question. Would you then say that your girlfriend was voluntarily not having sex, or is it involuntary because you are choosing not to inflict pain on her?

I don't particularly want to be celibate. What of that is not getting through? I want to have a normal life. I want to have sex. I want to be able to have that choice. But the considerable pain I would be in precludes that choice.

Does someone with a broken leg walk? Why not? They have the choice to do so. Sure, it would cause them horrendous pain, and probably damage even more of their leg, maybe slice into an artery and kill them, but it's a choice right?

Does someone with a severely damaged heart go out jogging? They have the choice to do so, surely?

Do you drive your car at stupid speeds, swerving in and out of traffic like a mad person while fingering your girlfriend because she asked you to? No? Why not? It's a choice after all.

The reason people make those choices is for self-preservation, and that trumps someone else's need for sexual pleasure.

I know how far I am willing to go with my condition. I know how much I am willing to do. Other people are not willing to sit through reading screeds and screeds of minutiae that basically boils down to "If you want to stick your dick in my vagina, it's not happening", and that's what all the men really want to know.

So as soon as guys find out there is no fucking on offer, off they fuck. Trust me when I tell you this, because it is true. I don't hide it and I don't save it for later in the conversation, because I would feel I was being dishonest if I did. I've put it in my profile on dating sites and men still message me asking for sex. When they get told I can't, they disappear off to find someone else to stick their dick in.

Do you question these guys so thoroughly about their inceldom? Do you query whether it really is just the picture they sent to the girl that made them disappear, or the size of their dick, or their height, or whatever? Or is it just me you save your scrutiny for because I happen to be female?

Would you or wouldn't you?

I obviously wouldn't. I also don't understand the next question - could you rephrase it?

Does someone with a severely damaged heart go out jogging? They have the choice to do so, surely?

You haven't answered my question - are you claiming that a reasonable and justified choice is not a choice? That a voluntary action taken for reasonable causes is actually an involuntary action? If so, then what kind of act would be voluntary?

The reason people make those choices is for self-preservation

You previously said that you refuse to have even that sexual contact which doesn't hurt you, because you are "not a sex toy" and "because it will do absolutely fuck all for me". When you say that it's not a choice to avoid interactions that cause you pain - I'll concede that it's not much of a choice. You're a human being and you're compelled to avoid pain. But you are not compelled to avoid an activity that will please someone you presumably love, but not you. You choose to avoid it, which in turn limits your options for dating and relationship.

Do you question these guys so thoroughly about their inceldom?

No, because I've been an incel myself and have no reason to doubt men when they make such claims. On the other hand, throughout my whole time on incel boards, I have encountered tons of women who like you claimed to be incel and literally every single one of them was either incel with caveats and a strong element of choice, like you, or a troll. There's good reason to question women who claim to be incel because not doing so would lead to further erasure of incel men's issues.

Or is it just me you save your scrutiny for because I happen to be female?

It's all women who claim to be incel, yes. For the reasons outlined above.

The "I am not a sex toy" is because I won't lie passively while someone else gets their jollies on me, stuffing their dick in my mouth while I have no libido and am stoned on painkillers. Someone doing that just because they can and I don't actually want to is RAPE. Do you get it now? Why does some guy's need for that sort of thing come above MY need to be out of pain?

Put yourself in my place just for five minutes. Be in pain. Be on painkillers. Know that any energetic activity will make that pain so much worse. Know that the really bad pain could lead you to being admitted to hospital for emergency surgery to remove part of your bowel or intestines. Know that the painkillers make you unable to get aroused. Know that when you do manage to get aroused and orgasm, it causes pain. Know that when you tell people this, they rapidly lose any interest in dating or relationship. Know that it's not your face, or your height, or your eye colour, or any of the other reasons that guys have that put people off a relationship, but the fact that you are mostly immobile, mostly in pain, mostly on strong painkillers, mostly stuck on the sofa talking to some pillocks who just don't get the fact that you're ill.

I want a relationship. I don't want to kill myself doing it, so yes, there are caveats, and those caveats are because the choice is to have a relationship where you do all these things for your partner that you seem to think I should, in which case I endanger my life, or I make the choice not to kill myself faster than this illness is already doing.

People like you actually make me wonder why I even bother trying to find a relationship, because you have absolutely no clue what it's like to be inside my head and inside my body and make all these stupid assumptions about what I could do without realising the consequences of actually doing those things.

I have tried dating. As soon as people find out about the "no sex" they disappear. There is rarely even the chance to discuss any possible other things that I can do, and even then it's not enough. These guys have tried dating, and get ghosted for whatever reason. I'm failing to see a fucking difference here.

You have absolutely NO CLUE whatsoever. You live in your lovely little life with your lovely little girlfriend, and you sit there saying "Oh, but you could do this, but you're choosing not to" about things you have absolutely no understanding of. Do you think I enjoy being single after thirty years of dating? Do you think this is something I actively choose to do? Sit here with no one to love?

You're a fucking idiot, and frankly, I have no time for your shit any more. You're an ignorant, obtuse, stubborn, trolling, smug little prick who can see how a guy can be incel because he's a guy, but heaven forbid a woman doesn't choose to lie down and die for the cause of giving some guy a fucking hard-on.

My life is more important to me than some guy needing to ejaculate and anyone in a relationship with me who loved me would not want me risking my life just because they were too fucking idle to have a wank.

Got it yet? If not, I suggest you find a proctologist and tell him you need your head extracted from your arse.

you seem to think I should

Where have I even once said or implied that you should?

Although you know what, I'll say it - I think you should. You express so much anguish over your loneliness that it pains me to just imagine what that must feel like, especially given the physical pain you also have to deal with. I think you should, for your own sake, adjust your standards and find companionship instead of arguing with people on the internet.

I won't lie passively while someone else gets their jollies on me, stuffing their dick in my mouth while I have no libido and am stoned on painkillers. Someone doing that just because they can and I don't actually want to is RAPE.

That's exactly the choice I'm talking about. There are clearly forms of sexual contact that do not hurt you or cause you pain, but you don't want to engage in them still because they bring you no pleasure. Nothing compels you to make this choice - you're making it purely of your own free will.

I have tried dating. As soon as people find out about the "no sex" they disappear.

And again, I've pointed out that there's an element of choice to this - you are choosing individual men out of a number of men who approach you and whom you can approach. All the men you end up choosing are men who categorically expect sex in a relationship, which can only mean that those men are attractive. You have the choice to lower your standards. You don't have to, of course, but that's what sets you apart from incel men - they don't have that choice, because there are no women attracted and potentially open to dating them.

Do you think I enjoy being single after thirty years of dating?

No, I think you suffer from pain and loneliness to a degree that no human being should be subjected to. And I also think that you have ample opportunities to find a boyfriend, but discard them because they are not up to your standards. I've made my case for why I think so and so far you've only confirmed my case. As I've already said, I think you should recognize the choice you're making, stop being obsessed with classifying yourself as incel, and find someone who will love you - that will make you happier and ease the pain, and you deserve that.

I talk to everyone who messages me. I message men whose profiles interest me. The only picking and choosing I do is based on whether someone is a person I could be happy spending time with. There's no point in messaging someone whose hobbies include a lot of outdoor sports like walking, climbing, and so forth looking for someone to join them in their adventures, because I couldn't, so messaging them would be a waste of both our times. Looks don't matter.

How many times do I have to say that last one? Looks don't matter.

Go ask all these guys if they would expect sex in a relationship. Go out there into the world and see how many men on dating sites are expecting sex in a relationship. One or two may not, but I haven't found them yet.

I'm not even obsessed with the classification. I just dislike being dismissed as being one because of my gender. Like you are doing. You are utterly dismissive of the fact that I am rejected by men, even though they messaged me in the first place (I even respond to the one word messages of "hi" unlike most women) because I am ill. I don't even have to go into much detail before they fuck off.

And now, I suggest you do just that. Fuck off. I'm sick of justifying myself to a wilfully ignorant twat.

I talk to everyone who messages me. I message men whose profiles interest me.

Then you should be getting plenty of opportunities to date and have a relationship since asexual woman and women with severe disfigurations still don't face the kind of struggle you claim to be facing. An obese or disfigured woman who refuses to have any sex at all still does better than you claim you do. What sets you apart then? What makes you so unattractive that all men are rejecting you?

Go out there into the world and see how many men on dating sites are expecting sex in a relationship.

Plenty don't and plenty are willing to set that desire aside for a relationship. Like I said, asexual women aren't hindered in the dating market, so your refusal to have sexual contact with a man can't be hindering you eithre.

I'm sick of justifying myself

If you're saying you have no choice and there's nothing voluntary about you being single, what are you justifying? I see you trying to justify a choice, seemingly believing that a justified choice is not a choice, but you claim it's not even a choice in the first place. So what are you justifying then?

I am not an asexual woman though, nor am I disfigured, so your argument just fell flat.

You show me the obese, disfigured woman who refuses to have any sex at all that is doing better than me.

How do you know about men being willing to put sex aside for a relationship? Have you tried dating them? No. So you are basically talking out of your arse here.

You really are letting your colon do your thinking, aren't you?

I am not an asexual woman though, nor am I disfigured, so your argument just fell flat.

That you're not such a woman kinda is my argument. Clearly such women would be more hindered than you are, and yet they still find boyfriends with relative ease.

You show me the obese, disfigured woman who refuses to have any sex at all that is doing better than me.

I don't keep tabs on them, but sure, I can, I don't know, PM you about it whenever I run into one next? Off the top of my head there's an acquaintance of mine who got married a few months ago. She's deathly afraid of anything related to sex, and deals with it by planning to stay a virgin for life. She got married at, uh, 28, I think and has had at least two other long-term relationships before that. She isn't obese though, so there's that.

How do you know about men being willing to put sex aside for a relationship?

Oh that's not nearly as rare as the obese asexual women. Look around on the internet - you'll find no shortage of accounts of such sexless relationships where men either set aside their libido for the sake of the relationship or feel no desire in the first place.This is something common enough that I'm going to ask you to do your own searching there.

Your acquaintance who is deathly afraid of sex- I suppose she is perfectly healthy otherwise and not almost constantly stoned on painkillers and she's quite capable of getting out and about doing things? Yes? I see that as a HUGE difference.

Also, inceldom is more about not being able to have sex because no one wants to have it with you, not the sex act itself tbh.

No girl wants to fuck you because you're an asshole.

Apply an icepack to your backside.

I am not an emotionless sex toy or just here to be used for someone's sexual gratification by use of my mouth

yes you are

No I am not.

I am a human being.

A "woman" who can't physically take dick and refuses to perform any sexual favors is subhuman. You're a worthless because when a man wants a friend he looks to other men or just gets a dog. This is how worthless women are without their sexuality. You're boring, childish, uninteresting and needy, it's how women are, but men look past it because of sex. That's all modern women can give.

And there you are. I am an incel that no man wants and would be better off getting a dog.

Cheers petal.

You’re a human female with holes.

And you are an idiot who has absolutely no concern for another human being. It's not just about what you get out of it, and if you think it is, you're going to be in for a shock.

*dried up holes - it's 45.

Your mouth clearly works put it to some use instead of whining about your life on an incel forum like the rest of us

You first.

gotem

I thought incels only applies to virgins

They don't understand what a labido is

Yes, because the ONLY POINT of femoids is sex. Relationships with them (friendships, etc) are fucking useless. Foids have no personalities/sense of humor/hobbies. They are boring as FUCK.

And you will therefore never have one, because your only interest in them is as a sex toy. Do the world a favour and go buy some vibrators and stuff and give up on the idea of women entirely, because you're just going to make someone unhappy by treating them like shit anyway.

Oh shut up. I'm buying a wife Idgaf about women's little games.

And she will resent you, because you don't care about her and only use her for sex and servitude. Oh, what a wonderful life she will have.

I said I didn't give a fuck, didn't I?

Neither do I, hence my inceldom.

You can't be a incel you fat ginger old pig you had sex before right? You had a bf before right so STFU

Oh diddums.

And so have other guys (please note the obvious distinction here) that have been welcomed as incel.

Yes u can't be an incel plus answer the question

Other MALES have come here with a sexual past asking if they can be incel and have been accepted.

I don't deny my sexual past either. It was a fucking good one with lots and lots of sex in lots of positions and lots of places. Is that your problem? That I really enjoyed an active sex life?

Well now I can't, and through no fault of my own. Like the guys who have come here wanting to be incel and getting told that yes, they can be part of your little club. Pfft. And you bitch about double standards and pickiness...

You hag slut men are different Women aren't equal to men anyway we call them fakecels or volcels

Yeah yeah. You're just bitter and twisted.

[Insert spiderman meme here]

I don't deny my sexual past either. It was a fucking good one with lots and lots of sex in lots of positions and lots of places. Is that your problem? That I really enjoyed an active sex life?

Yes. It makes you not Incel. Fuck off.

You're an idiot.

Involuntarily celibate doesn't contain the word "virgin" anywhere. It means someone who cannot find a sexual or emotional relationship despite wanting one, which would define my current situation.

emotional relationship

No. Celibacy refers to sex. You've had a sex life. How old are you, fucking 50? I'd die now happily @ 32 if I'd had a normal, sex and intimacy fueled teens and 20s. And I'd go down on a girl every day even if I had no libido. And enjoy it.

Read the thing on the side.

Sometimes asexuals please their SO. It is not wrong to do sth just to please the other. Do you think normal libido girls enjoy bjs?

I know I did before I ended up on the tablets that made me a lot less interested in anything like that. It was one of my favourite things in fact. Now I just can't find the enthusiasm for it.

Really? Well you're lucky and you sound like you were a bit above average horniness :) or maybe just being a teen

Girls that actually enjoy bjs aren't that common.

I loved them all the way through to my late thirties. Now I'm just a bit "meh" on the whole thing, because it doesn't excite me like it used to.

I think it all depends what you're getting out of it. I suppose it helps that I actually like the taste...

Why not let a man go down on you and see what he can accomplish?

Because I can't even do it to myself, because I don't get turned on. It's the meds I'm on. They don't do me any favours in the sex department at all.

Fake it.

Why? You guys are always whining about women faking orgasms, faking faces with make-up, faking boobs with push-up bras, faking slim waists with control underwear and all the rest of it...

Why should I fake it?

I tell you what... You go bend over for a bunch of guys and let them shaft you up the arse with no lube and fake enjoyment.

Does your clitoris not work anymore? Or did the whole genital region atrophy?

I don't get turned on because of my painkillers blocking my libido.

And if I don't take my painkillers, I have pain killing my libido.

Catch 22.

Trust me if you would give me a chance, I will make you orgasm within 10 seconds.

That would be a feat in itself given the pain and painkillers deadening my senses so I don't even get turned on...

Why is it all about the sex and orgasms though?

Are you frigid? Because unless you are, then your sex drive is not a excuse to not get a guy going down on you. If your clit still works then you'll feel pleasure from it eventually (if the guy know how to do it properly)

I'm in pain. I'm on medication. I have trouble getting aroused, so a guy could be going down on me for hours and I'd just be getting frustrated not excited.

i would date you i dont care about sex

The big question is why you would date me... Is it desperation or is it because you actually want to?

i feel its a mix of desperation and a strong will to have someone in my life and do cool shit with it also a very strong will to kiss my bae ,i dont think we can call it desperation if we start as friends but too bad none of you live close to me in real life so we are just talking in the clouds

Yeah, the distance was kind of the first thing that made me wonder. You're also young and should have a sex life of some sort, or at least a chance of one.

There's nothing wrong with being friends though, because then you get to actually know if you want a relationship with the other person, and it's not just a case of wanting someone in your life.

I refuse to be cruel to incels by dating them. They deserve better than a broken woman who can't satisfy any sexual urges other than verbally or in text form, and it's not the same as full, physical contact.

well incels are not getting any nonthless , i am more about being a love junkie than sex

I think that's a healthy way of thinking. It's much nicer to feel you are loved than feel you are there just to please someone's sexual urges. There's always something lacking when it's the latter.

well love is also affectionate touching so if you see touching as sexual urges only thats not healthy

Round here, they see affection = sex. Every interaction with a female has to end in sex or they're not interested for the most part. It really will colour how people see them when it's all they seem to be after

no man around here is all kind of people truecels are like stray abused dogs they will start screaming and crying the moment a girl smile at them and kiss them on the cheek.

there is nothing beautiful than to be in love loved back kisses and cuddles feeling your mind go dumb from the rush of love and then after a time of love and lovely moments you finally kiss your love close the lights and make love until you are one.

I remember it all fondly, and I miss it.

This lot are not going to ever get to experience it if they don't dial back the desperation a bit.

i am going to insult you but i wont because i dont want to be banned, dont generalize .

You did it first :P

Why don't you date an asexual but not aromantic man? I bet you can fing one if you want to.

I've been trying to find someone like that. If one came along, I would be as happy as a clam.

/r/trufemcels

The fuck is a "wurstie"?

wurst = sausage

If it's an attempt at a male version of roastie, they're stupid. The point of roastie was to be a female version of saying a guy had a small dick.

all of them are incels larping as females

the hell are half of these made up incel words lol

I think it's a joke sub.

It's fucking a ghost town on that sub with actually more men than women on their probably! It just reinforces the fact there's no such thing as a femcel.

its incels larping as females

That's what I mean, it's somebody's idea of a joke. An yeah it were kinda funny also 😆

If you think females can be incel, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW1CczLNjsI

A literal 1/10 crippled blob going on TV and fucking a guy. Yes, he's also a cripple, but he is nowhere near a 1/10 so you can't use him as an argument against male inceldom.

blob

lmao

I feel really bad for the guy because he's not bad looking. And then nature had to screw him with the disability.

Nature dictates their physical appearance (at least, to a larger degree than exercise/hygiene etc) so you should feel bad for the girl too

P a s s t h e r o p e

Just LOL at "female incels"

just remember that if you wouldn't fuck the shit out of that crippled blob if she offered, you aren't incel XD

WOW HUGE Blackpill

fuck that cripplechad mogs me.

What show is this?

Sex Box

This is the dumbest comment I have ever seen lol

Saying "lol" shows everyone just how butthurt you are. You're so mad!

Why are you even replying to me? You're a moron with barely 2 braincells to rub together. Wouldn't be surprised if you was a Hole, to be honest. Going to block you now, by the way. Don't want to see your uneducated shit any more. I'm too intelligent for that.

Hahahahaha hoooooly shit!!

I can't even comprehend the mental gymnastics you had to make to say I am the one who is mad and butthurt and type that comment.

You legit made me laugh though, so thanks for that. Yup, I am uneducated with only ONE masters degree.. I am sure your YouTube research constitutes ATLEAST second grade though

Honor vill bara ha Erik Åskkuk

d1a

is this true?

pm it

Pm me too

Pm me as well

Pm me too XD

It is true women can never be incels but they can be cels. Their curse is they should have taken an incel. Instead many will end up with Chads and cucks in their hilarious misfortunes for roast beef, but hey then we get to watch them fight and try to validate themselves on Jerry Springer for lolz.

Brutal

Kek

My sister who is bald and has a bunch of broken ass teeth from heroin and meth addiction would beg to differ. She used to be a total barbie bimbo bitch then she got addicted to drugs and looks like a dying cancer and aids patient who has an addiction to eating rocks.

Maybe with her old pics but as soon as dude sees her now hed run for the hills lol im not even joking.

Because incels who are so desperate, they'd fuck a dead farm pig, are a great example

Most of those are normal guys.

Yes they are, it's an example that she can get laid if she really wants.

Her fault. She took what she had and ruined it.

Her begging to differ really doesn't matter given the fact that women with issues you described still date and have sex.

It went private because men were harassing them.

Keep dreaming, landwhale.

landwhale.

Coming from the guy who browses this sub and can't get laid. Because girls totally want to say yes to Reddit users who have literally never seen their face. Honestly, some guy messages them offering sex and they don't know what they look like or where they live? Why the fuck would they say yes to someone to pathetically fucking desperate?

And how well has being a soyboy gone for you sweetie? Oh right, you haven't had sex either.

And how well has being a soyboy gone for you sweetie? Oh right, you haven't had sex either.

LOL right assume everything because you can't make real reply. Im no chad that fucking sleeps with 10 girls a week but ive been laid before because I dont act like the world is out to get me like some people here do.

Haha sure thing buddy that's why you are spending your evenings here

Why do you associate with or moderate such a sub when you're treated like this by the community?

Show some proof of that please.

Because if memory serves me correctly, they had a huge problem with r/foreverunwanted discussing them and tried to get the sub banned for harassment. FU wasn't actually in any way brigading FAW, so the latter couldn't even accuse FU of brigading. So instead, they argued that merely mentioning r/foreveralonewomen in r/foreverunwanted constituted harassment, which was the nature of the appeal they made to the admins. That kind of accusation is silly even by today's standards, so of course it didn't roll, and when it did not - that's when r/foreveralonewomen went private.

Now let's see what lies you come up with and what excuses you invent for not providing proof for your claims.

Back when r/Incels was around, there were several instances of people from that sub posing as women to get access to the r/ForeverAloneWomen sub to screenshot posts back to r/Incels to harass the women there.

I know this because I would report this back to FAW and it became a "thing" that whomever was frauding themselves called me out for telling FAW about the screenshot. This led FAW to do a purge of users because they were sick of the harassment.

several instances of people from that sub posing as women to get access

That's a lie but most importantly, it's telling how you're dodging the issue by changing the topic. The question was why the sub is private and your reply was also a lie. I called you on that lie, and instead of apologizing and admitting to your bullshit, you just try and derail the conversation to a completely different issue, that you also made up.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is Board_Gaming - supposedly a shining beacon of decency for this sub.

My reply was not a lie, but then again, you always accuse me of lying because you want to tear me down. I'm not going to cry and run away because you have some weird bullying fetish.

And now you're denying that there was at least one person who snuck into FAW under false pretenses to grab screenshots, even though this actually happened.

Nobody has a bullying fetish here. It's just not only you're not welcome here, you've constantly been derisive to users here, clearly unable to sympathize.

First you said: It went private because men were harassing them.

To which I pointed out that no, nobody was harassing them and in fact it was r/foreveralonewomen that were brigading and harassing a male forever alone sub and tried to get it banned.

Since you're unable to tackle that fact in any way, because what FAW did was not in any way excusable, you instead changed the topic, but still felt the need to lie.

You said: there were several instances of people from that sub posing as women

When I pointed out that you're lying, you quickly changed the goalposts to "at least one person"

I don't think there's anything more I need to say - your dishonesty is clear to see for anyone reading this thread, and still will be even if you delete it as you so much love to do.

That's a lie

No, it's not, I remember that happening.

It was a single occurrence that the mods dealt with quickly and severely. Hardly an indication that r/FAW is was "harassed by men" and went private because of it. And does not in any way debunk or reframe what I said about FAW's harassment of r/ForeverUnwanted.

By flirting with them.

There's a difference between "flirting" and "harassing".

yeah, how attractive the "flirter" is

THIS SO MUCH!!! "Creep" is slang for unattractive.

rich from somebody who sent nudes for the mod position

I never did that.

Incel women can find their looksmatch here, but they believe men can't be incels because pussy is abundant and NO ONE wants their looksmatch😂😂😂👌

Dick is in abundance too. Half the population has it

I barely have it

If you're a girl you should have it

Yea, it's not like women can have, you know, standards or anything.

WHAT THE FUCK

What do you mean what the fuck? You clearly aren't okay with fucking lonely ugly girls. And what you gathered from that sub going private is so retarded. Tons of guys PM'd them offering sex? Like why do you think it went private? Because they don't want to be harassed by a bunch of fucking brain dead losers who are so fucking desperate they message girls who's faces they've literally never seen, and also don't even know if they live close or even on the same side of the world. Why would ANY of those girls regardless of how hot or ugly they are, say yes to some random fucking Reddit user who they don't know. Normal lonely single people don't just have sex with some fucking stranger. You don't get laid not because you're incel or ugly or will never be lucky or destined to never get laid, it's because you act like a shit head. Where the fuck is your logic? I hate girls for not being with me so I'm going to literally hate all girls in existence for existing. Oh but I still want sex even though I hate said girls. So many of the people here get mad from rejection but none of you seem to realize you come off as fucking creeps. I've seen ugly mother fuckers get with my hot friends. Girls don't go after "Chad's" Because they don't exists and because they want men who are fucking normal in the head. Not someone who is such a pathetic waist of flesh that they hate themselves and girls but still want girls. It's like you all forget 2 is two ways , just because you like someone doesn't mean they have to like you back. Honestly talk to your parents or one at least if they're alive and in your life (don't know your age so that's why I said it like that) Seriously you need help just based off that what the fuck answer. Like honestly do you think girls aren't allowed to like what they want? The same as the guys who want a fucking hot bimbo but not a fat girl.

kek

T R I G G E R E D

Didn't read lul

Wasn't for you lol why would you read it you retard?

because you're posting it in a public forum? You're very dumb even for a female.

SEETHING

Top kek.

Femoids can't be incels, they're alone by choice, gtfo whore

WOW So triggered hahahahahhaha fuck you bitch! I didn't even read all this bullshit.

I didn't even read all this bullshit.

Wasn't for you, fucking retard.

Having standards = being volcel

Man, people will do anything to blame the men at the bottom of the social hierarchy for all their own problems.

The idea that society may not be fair is unthinkable for the socially privileged.

No, I'm at the bottom, have no friends, dont go out of my dorm except for class and to eat and people ask to hang out all the time and its always no I'm too busy. I mean thats my problem, and other people have their own problems too, its just its not hateful or spiteful towards society, its accepting your status and working with it because just talking with people, picking up on social cues and figuring out another person is everything. And it helps if you do go to the gym cause theres a comradely there regardless of anything.

If they ask you to hang out that means you're not a real incel.

Jesus Christ man just join us already. You will in like five years anyway. But whatever, pretend to be morally superior like the trolls who tell us to kill ourselves.

classic case of incel tom

Women can't be incels end of

Hm... Maybe it's a comprehension issue. Seems to be prevalent among "you people."

Here's an idea: let's make THIS sub private! We'll be drowning in poontang!

They are not having sex but they want to be. INCEL

Like how an obese man STARVES between meals.

men really can't be incel either..... just fuck the fat ugly chick at the end of the bar.

Amen

What makes you think that she wants me. XD

She's desperate

Hahaha sure man, sure. Hey maybe I can't send / receive the right signals. But the only time a woman flirted with me was over 4 months ago and she was drunk

She's already being orbited by 5 beta nu-males

Even she would reject me.

Preach kek!

Female Forever Alone also forbade men from PMing their users right in the rules.

Anyway. female incels are not real. In worst case, 2forever alone" women are commitmentcels although even then it's their high standards, entitlement, obesity, Chad spawn and other preventable/fixable things that keep men from committing.

Or attitude. I've straight up broke up with a couple girls who were just fucking insane. They were hot too. I would've totally lost my virginity to them but dam they were clinically insane. made me miss my ex who is deathly afraid of sex.

Or attitude. I've straight up broke up with a couple girls who were just fucking insane.

Which is why most of the people in this sub can't get laid... The attitude here is so... bad

It honestly is and like I’m trying to throw my hat in the ring cause like, this sub ain’t got nothing to help them, it’s just a stew of self hate and depression and it kills me knowing people are knowingly doing this to themselves. Like imagine what I said but it’s a girl saying it, about incels. It totally works because most incel guys are so insecure or something else that they go batshit crazy. Like for comparison I had one girl after I got dumped who was a rebound and I realized what I was doing and said sorry can’t do it. What does she do? Cuss me out say all men are the same. Like no shit same exact attitude towards the opposite sex

Leave

No bitch, you guys need somebody to say here’s another perspective on life cause it’s depressing, no girl clearly likes this, society isn’t wrong, you guys are taking all of this negativity and putting it into something that’s not productive. Join a gym, box, learn BJJ, do yoga, get all of this hate out because it’s toxic as fuck.

Some of us are lesbians

I don't care how many men would sleep with me because I'm only attracted to women

Gay women can be incels

why not date other "lesbian incels"?

I actually agree with this. I sympathize with lesbiancels because lesbian women are generally (not trying to be offensive) abusive and violent. Just look at the stats, highest rate of domestic violence in female same sex couples.

highest rate of domestic violence

Can I get some sources? compared to what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships#Prevalence " However, some say the data has been taken out of context by not distinguishing between male perpetrators and female perpetrators of violence against lesbians. "85.2% of lesbian women, 87.5% of bisexual women, and 94.7% of heterosexual women who reported experiencing sexual violence other than rape in their lifetime also reported having only male perpetrators [...] "

what if they literally c a n n o t have sex but they want to. boom, theyre an incel.

The only case I know is Magratm

okay, advance this scenario. what if theyre just so unlikeable to the point no one would give them any sort of affection, to the point no one would love them. would they then be considered incel?

Are you talking about men or women? No women is unlikable to the point where there's no guys interested in her, maybe if she haves mental problems like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, on the other hand, men, even when they're neurotypical, still goes though lots of times without someone being interested in them.

There's no one completely incapable of having sex.

well. you could have had your vag cauterized shut

All of these posts just assume every woman is straight, for fuck's sake

I'm a lesbian who hasn't gotten laid in 4 years despite my best efforts, and I'll call myself an incel if I damn want to

But you got laid before tho so no you are not a incel and you will never be one

All of us are virgins and most KHHV

who hasn't gotten laid in 4 years

Lmao

4 years is just a dryspell so not incel

I know one.

There's no such thing as a female Incel. The only reason a woman would be Incel, is because she won't fuck anyone unless he's either chad thunder cock, a narcissistic pretty boy or violent bad boy/thug.

I have something even better: look at r/foreveralonedating gender disparity and the number of responses women get vs men.

R4R too

I think you guys are missing a very important point here. When women say, that they're gonna be alone forever, it means that they can't find a partner for a long term relationship. It doesn't mean, that they can't find someone to bone. Thats the difference.

And men can’t find ltrs or people to bone

i remember we sometimes got screenshots of the faw sub and it was just posts of how they only want cute guys and not ugly ones

This is why your all incels, your disrespectful and rude and always complaining about what you don't have instead of bettering yourself in order to get it, long story short, no one wants to fuck a jealous asshole.

They're all looking for a Chad of their own. Too many responses from non Chads so they went private JFL.

Most of them fuck on the regular anyway, not sure how they can be fa...

That’s a really good point anon

incels could suck each others dicks but refuse to, there's no such thing as an incel

I’m sorry, but maybe some girls just don’t wanna start dating some random dudes on the internet. Maybe some are lesbian. You never know!

Well, the word incels means: aka "involuntarily celibate", a person (usually male) who has a horrible personality and treats women like sexual objects and thinks his lack of a sex life comes from being "ugly" when its really just his blatant sexism and terrible attitude. I copied that. I don’t think that’s what being forever means.

What? How am I an idiot cunt? Just because I don’t agree with you?

Ok, slow down. What is the problem with what I’m saying? Is it because I don’t agree with you?

HOW?!

Ok, I copied the definition. If I were to define incels, I would define them as people who don’t get dates because of their attitude. I also don’t like nice guys.

I’m not subscribed. I just like to lurk. Also, opinions are never wrong. An opinion is an opinion.

You see, saying the sky is green is not an opinion. It’s literally blue. No one would say that, unless they’re colorblind.

1. No 2. No goodnight!

This is the kind of extremist thinking that will keep many of you lonely.

Some of you, though, will be smart enough to relate to a lonely woman and puppy love your way out of this place.

lonely girl = fat subhuman purple haired stanky roastie who fucks normies and chadlites but cries because she cant fuck giga chads

How about you go make her day by being her Romeo.

Two birds, one stone. Stop being lazy. Or picky.

im not that picky. i only go for 6/10+ and i get enough matches on tinder and whatever the fuck. my dick is what makes me an incel.

What?

sorry i cant speak to low iq normies

Listen here you small dck chadel. ****

call me chadpreet u low iq waste of blood cells

And how do they know about your dick before you even meet them? Unless you self-sabotage by whining about how it's so small even before they've seen your face.

Learn what to do with it and size will never be an issue.

Like any "lonely" female would voluntarily date a subhuman like me lul

Have you tried?

Of course I have

I don't see what the issue is here.

You're mad at women for liking who they find attractive.

Which suggests they should instead pick who they find unattractive like you.

You don't like people calling you names and being mean

So if a girl was fat with purple hair, she is not subhuman and you would go for her without all this nastiness.

Because by your logic, this is the way the world should be.

Plenty of girls are lonely, btw, without looking like a Tumblr caricature. But again. Looks don't matter to incels so no problem.

I solved your life. You're welcome.

want to know the funny thing? im actually a chadcel. i could get a girl if i wanted to, but keeping them is different. i have a small dick, and the day i actually started getting laid i saw the true nature of femoids.

you think im exaggerating? ive had a whole entire social circle that i used to be in literally make fun of me non stop.

ive had my pictures sent around and people i never even knew see my penis. girls laughed at me, normies laughed at me.

you couldnt live a fucking day in my shoes you stupid blind roastie

want to know the funny thing? im actually a chadcel. i could get a girl if i wanted to, but keeping them is different. i have a small dick, and the day i actually started getting laid i saw the true nature of femoids.

you think im exaggerating? ive had a whole entire social circle that i used to be in literally make fun of me non stop.

ive had my pictures sent around and people i never even knew see my penis. girls laughed at me, normies laughed at me.

you couldnt live a fucking day in my shoes you stupid blind roastie

They made fun of you because you're a little bitch not because of your dick. "femoid" is another reason girls don't stay with you.

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You are fucking retarded. Nobody in our social circles know we say "femoid". Nobody in our social circles know we visit this place. Nobody.

Go back to watching anime you delusional retarded cunt. Fuck off

They know trust me. People can tell who's a dumb fuck and sexual repressed

You are fucking retarded. Absolute autism

Coming from the fucking idiot who thinks all girls are femoids because he can't get laid and then wonders why.

Femoid isn't an insult. You're actually at 0 IQ right now. Shut the fuck up and fuck off, you fucking cretin

Have fun being a virgin forever since you hate girls kek

I won't be a virgin much longer, I'm buying a mail order cunt later this year. Saved up 20 grand for the little trip.

That's so pathetic

I could not give a fuck what you think, stupid femoid. Just fuck off cretin

stupid femoid.

I'm a man you dipshit

I could not give a fuck

I could not give a fuck

....

I could not give a fuck what you think

Do you not even remember what you said? You can't even have a real response? You fucking choke because you thought I was a girl and just quote half your sentence? You give a fuck otherwise you wouldn't reply. You said you don't care I think you're pathetic not that I'm a guy or girl. You honestly are fucking stupid. Don't reply you fucking retard.

People can tell who's a dumb fuck

Exactly, just how everyone here can tell thaf you're brain-dead retard with negative IQ, fuck off mouth-breathing dumbshit

Exactly, just how everyone here can tell thaf you're brain-dead retard with negative IQ,

Can't be negative dip shit. And everyone here is a fucking social retard who hate women but still want sex from.women and offer literally nothing and act like assholes but for some reason think the world owes them sex.

LOL fuck you I hope you get cancer because you're really annoying and dumb as fuck. Females are naturally dumb but you took it to another level.

But you're not celibate since you've had sex.

The fat represents her unmotivation to improve herself and the purple hair aligns her with the tumblr caricature of which the main feature is a terrible personality. Hes trying to say that lonely girls have to have insanely bad personalities to be anywhere close to his level of the dating pool. Not saying there arent other lonely girls just that you misinterpreted his description

Sorry, no.

You need to be consistent.

Either have that same energy against unattractive men, or concede that anything short of accepting a fat purple haired girl he doesn't like is hypocrisy that justifies the mainstream ignoring you guys.

Of course there are plenty of lonely girls in the world. Many of them have nothing to do with these online gender wars.

Men like to pretend they are so beyond reproach. As if a noble station like the presidency of the god damn United States of America won't be easily demeaned for pussy and blow jobs. Simpletons of the highest order, posturing and nagging the fuck out of women just can they can.

Pussy, for sale. The thing supposedly respectable men love to hate and are too good for.

Most of you won't look for the good girls. You don't see them. And by the time you get to them, the men before you, your brothers, will try and take the spot pretending he loves her while waiting for bad chicks.

You teach each other this shit and victimize girls every day. The sex trade, cuz of men. Gay priests attacking boys? Men again. (Obvi, not all men)

But some girl seeking social acceptance by eating her depression away and faking individuality with purple hair. That's the poor character?

🙄 sure.

What you just witnessed was what I just said but in action in a super short progression

The victim self appointed incel is too good for lonely girls. He can afford to look down on a girl he thinks is unattractive. And you. His male counterpart defend his shit trying to make it sound a touch more noble.

Yet I, the "foid" should feel bad about throwing the pussy at a man you couldn't look in the eye when you both couldn't be charitable enough to acknowledge the girl with purple hair.

This spectacle of a thought process keeps me edgy, boys. Thank you for the exercise.

The purple hair represents her personality. I'm not saying in real life, just in his description its easier to align her with a caricature than to describe every single aspect of her personality. I'm not him but as far as I can tell he has nothing against unattractive girls if they have good personalities.

/wowthanksimcured

You're welcome.

If you are serious about your appreciation, I am happy to point you to some of my favorite charities for a donation in lieu of your gratefulness. Srs

Literal retardation. You'd have to have less than 80 IQ to see this sarcasm. You are fucking stupid.

Are you doing your weird incel dance as a way to tell me you like me or..

Femoid arrogance is limitless

And dumbness too

It's probably an obese neckbeard LARPing as a twat.

My favorite is the Holocaust Revival Fund. Please donate today.

Plenty of girls are lonely

You do realize that "incel" and "lonely" are different issues, though. They overlap, but one does not subsume the other - not everyone who is lonely is incel. I've met plenty of people who were or are lonely, but they are not incel.

no, being ugly is what keeps incels lonely. Stop perpetuating the personality lie.

Many of you "incels" are not ugly. Just poorly socialized and or comparing yourself to the caricature you focus on in your games and porn.

Snap out of it.

Srs

If we are not ugly we can also be autistic, that also can a fatal flaw.

Also the majority of us are ugly, i'm never have problem talking to anybody.

offends at stereotypization of women

proceeds to stereotype us

Teheee

It would be clever of you, dear special snowflake of incel land, if you noticed I never said all of you. With good reason but evidence is not more important than your self imposed victimhood so carry on with your imaginary cross.

Be sure to lift with your legs, dear.

pbbbbbbbbt

t. /u/goodgirlbadstreak

More prattle. In normie land, some of us say "touche" But this is ok too.

*Be you. Teehee. /s

It would've been "touche" if it actually had merit and I was able to concede.

It's regrettable that I have to explain to you how proper debate should happen.

Well no. You don't. It happened. And you missed it

Which is typical of you and why you are here.

Cheers

Heh. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Good dick😥 from😥bae 😥helps me sleep at night.

This is just a conversation. What you make of it literally changes nothing.

❤

k

What's "extremist" about pointing out the fact that women don't seem to ever end up completely disqualified from the dating market?

I mean, I always get told that it's "extremist", "misogynistic", "impolite" and "toxic" to point that out, but I still have yet to receive an explanation as to why.

You're dishonest so I deleted my wall of text of an answer.

Come back to me when you acknowledge the swaths of women you pretend don't exist while ranting about 'women'

You're dishonest so I deleted my wall of text of an answer.

What wall of text? Are you sure you're replying to the right comment?

Socially retarded girls. If they ride the cock carousel it's probably rape tbh..

Gtfo normie

"thHisIzYYoUrAInZEl"

It is.

This is the kind of extremist thinking that will keep many of you lonely.

Some of you, though, will be smart enough to relate to a lonely woman and puppy love your way out of this place.

puppy love your way out

Let's be real here, that's not exactly attractive for anyone.

I can't do anal, and if I don't have a sex drive, then sucking dick would be about as interesting and exciting as sucking my own thumb, and I haven't done that in a very long time, which shows you how desperate I am to do that. I don't think anyone would find that sexually stimulating anyway, and if they did, then I would know they weren't bothered about my feelings. It would just be about their own pleasure.

If I have no sex drive, then it means I don't want sex at all, which is kind of useful, since to have sex would mean extreme pain for me. Well, excuse me for being reluctant to be in pain. Rub chilli powder over your knob, or crush a testicle in a garlic press and see how keen you are on having sex. I am not a sexual masochist.

How am I fucking it up for myself voluntarily?

No you don't, because there is NO rational excuse that even a dilbert like you could dream up.

I AM NOT A SEX TOY. I am a living, human being with emotions, and being used as a sex toy is not high on my list of priorities.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you. There's lots of ugly women out there looking for a relationship, but you don't want ugly. Not my fucking problem if you are a picky fucker. At least you have the ability to have a sex life.

You are CHOOSING not to have sex with him. You could suck him off or do anal

Ah yup, you've never been laid. Porn isn't real dipshit, Anal isn't something as easy as you think it is, and most people who aren't in porn don't enjoy it. Even men.

but you are choosing not to and therefore you can't find a guy. That's not inceldom in the slighest.

This is a little true. Sounds more likes she's asexual and just can't find an asexual man as well.

Stop assuming you are being used for sex just because no guy wants to be your

asexual betabuxx,

Asexual men exist. This is why you don't get laid. One girl tries to fucking relate and you just attack her.

That's right, I'm actually old, and I have a hobby I have been doing for a long time now, and I've seen a lot of various people getting together because they met through doing that hobby. Now there's a shocker. I've actually seen it happen!

So what was your hobby? How many people were there? How long did you partake of the particular hobby? What sort of age ranges are we talking about being present? What was the relative split between males and females?

pbbbbbbbbt

t. /u/goodgirlbadstreak

Battle of Nantwich

I haven't, no. It looks like it's one of the other societies that has that one as a regular event though. If you're interested, you should go along.

Exactly, just how everyone here can tell thaf you're brain-dead retard with negative IQ,

Can't be negative dip shit. And everyone here is a fucking social retard who hate women but still want sex from.women and offer literally nothing and act like assholes but for some reason think the world owes them sex.

Well no. You don't. It happened. And you missed it

Which is typical of you and why you are here.

Cheers

Because I can't even do it to myself, because I don't get turned on. It's the meds I'm on. They don't do me any favours in the sex department at all.

stupid femoid.

I'm a man you dipshit

Yeah, the distance was kind of the first thing that made me wonder. You're also young and should have a sex life of some sort, or at least a chance of one.

There's nothing wrong with being friends though, because then you get to actually know if you want a relationship with the other person, and it's not just a case of wanting someone in your life.

I refuse to be cruel to incels by dating them. They deserve better than a broken woman who can't satisfy any sexual urges other than verbally or in text form, and it's not the same as full, physical contact.

Round here, they see affection = sex. Every interaction with a female has to end in sex or they're not interested for the most part. It really will colour how people see them when it's all they seem to be after

if it was my personality, i would be getting matches on tinder. case closed

Well unfortunately the comment that I responded to has since been deleted, but my response here was to a nasty remark made by a foid claiming to be incel.

So you do the math.

Sex Box

1. No 2. No goodnight!

I haven't erased anything. I have only said that I too am involuntarily celibate. How is that erasing someone else's problem?

Kissing, hugging and other intimate contact do not involve lots of repetitive movement. I have not said anywhere that I am averse to contact involving sexual organs, just that I can't do much with them. Good grief.

Which standards? Someone I can converse with. Someone who doesn't want sex. Someone who doesn't flail or fidget in bed (because being hit by accident in the stomach at night is going to be damaging and cause pain). NOWHERE in that little list is there anything about looks. Which of those standards would you suggest I lower?

The "I am not a sex toy" is because I won't lie passively while someone else gets their jollies on me, stuffing their dick in my mouth while I have no libido and am stoned on painkillers. Someone doing that just because they can and I don't actually want to is RAPE. Do you get it now? Why does some guy's need for that sort of thing come above MY need to be out of pain?

Put yourself in my place just for five minutes. Be in pain. Be on painkillers. Know that any energetic activity will make that pain so much worse. Know that the really bad pain could lead you to being admitted to hospital for emergency surgery to remove part of your bowel or intestines. Know that the painkillers make you unable to get aroused. Know that when you do manage to get aroused and orgasm, it causes pain. Know that when you tell people this, they rapidly lose any interest in dating or relationship. Know that it's not your face, or your height, or your eye colour, or any of the other reasons that guys have that put people off a relationship, but the fact that you are mostly immobile, mostly in pain, mostly on strong painkillers, mostly stuck on the sofa talking to some pillocks who just don't get the fact that you're ill.

I want a relationship. I don't want to kill myself doing it, so yes, there are caveats, and those caveats are because the choice is to have a relationship where you do all these things for your partner that you seem to think I should, in which case I endanger my life, or I make the choice not to kill myself faster than this illness is already doing.

People like you actually make me wonder why I even bother trying to find a relationship, because you have absolutely no clue what it's like to be inside my head and inside my body and make all these stupid assumptions about what I could do without realising the consequences of actually doing those things.

I have tried dating. As soon as people find out about the "no sex" they disappear. There is rarely even the chance to discuss any possible other things that I can do, and even then it's not enough. These guys have tried dating, and get ghosted for whatever reason. I'm failing to see a fucking difference here.

You have absolutely NO CLUE whatsoever. You live in your lovely little life with your lovely little girlfriend, and you sit there saying "Oh, but you could do this, but you're choosing not to" about things you have absolutely no understanding of. Do you think I enjoy being single after thirty years of dating? Do you think this is something I actively choose to do? Sit here with no one to love?

You're a fucking idiot, and frankly, I have no time for your shit any more. You're an ignorant, obtuse, stubborn, trolling, smug little prick who can see how a guy can be incel because he's a guy, but heaven forbid a woman doesn't choose to lie down and die for the cause of giving some guy a fucking hard-on.

My life is more important to me than some guy needing to ejaculate and anyone in a relationship with me who loved me would not want me risking my life just because they were too fucking idle to have a wank.

Got it yet? If not, I suggest you find a proctologist and tell him you need your head extracted from your arse.

And all these guys can look around and see short, fat, ugly guys with girlfriends. Go tell them they're doing something wrong, they need to lower their standards or take a fucking shower because they're not incel by your own definition.

Fuck off.