The Physiological Needs such as breathing, food, drink, sleep, sex, excretion are largely (and obviously) biological and physical requirements. When they are not fulfilled, people become preoccupied with filling those needs above all else. For example, starving people in a war zone can be oblivious to danger when in search of food (Maslow, 1987, pp. 15-17).

Yeah I doubt people wandered through a war zone in search of a brothel. That quote kind of defeats your point.

Search for a brothel? In many war zones one of the most common offenses is rape.

That's usually a "spoils of war" type thing. So again, something you have control over unlike hunger.

it's an example of people being irrational when a survival related need is not met. the fact you can't draw that from the comment is unforgivably and probably intentionally stupid.

Oh - definitely not saying it’s not a choice - just that the respondent above me seems to think that a brothel would be some sort of necessity in a war zone to folks who are inclined to violence. Not that there aren’t lots of examples of state-sanctioned sexual slavery during times of war. The “comfort women” in Japan and the Jewish women forced into similar positions at the concentration camps in Nazi Germany are just a couple of examples.

that person is wilfully ignoring your point, don't even bother. it's a very clear example to any reasonable observer.

Also love and belonging ,and esteem

And as Redditors always say, you can't argue with science! xD

Yet they continue to try and deny our issues. Why are they such science deniers? Are they living in the stone age? smh, come on people! It's 2018!

Come on people! It's the current year!

xD

It's the current year +3!

FTFY

3!

3! = 6

This model has actually never been proven (pisses me off that it’s still taught).

It’s 100+ years old and they can’t prove it’s anything beyond some dude’s guess.

Despite what incels claim, this isn't science.

You can live without sex. Some people do it voluntarily for various reasons.

Maslow's heirarchy is one man's opinion of what things need to be fulfilled before the next level of his heirarchy can be considered.

He formulated that 'opinion' through a very thorough and in-depth scientific analysis. The entire field of sociology isn't science by your logic. Which is actually a fair argument. But you can't have it both ways. Almost every female issue that has money thrown at it is based on that field of 'science'.

Incels just like it because it lets them claim sex is as necessary as food and water. They don't even look beyond that.

Sex isn't as necessary as food. People voluntarily live without sex. People die after starving.

Regardless, the "soft sciences" of sociology and psychology will always be more speculative than physics and chemistry. There's an abundance of evidence that incels are wrong about every aspect of their belief system. That evidence just gets ignored in favor of memes and reinforcing hopelessness.

its necessary for being mentally healthy, no one is claiming that you'll die from not having sex in the same way as you would if you stopped eating or drinking.

regardless, there is evidence that there are physiological consequences to being sexually isolated, feel free to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoqOm_EVR_g

> its necessary for being mentally healthy

Are you telling me, monks/those who are celibate are mentally ill?

there are reasons to be celibate, sometimes very good ones, but that doesnt change the fact that skin hunger is very real. im not saying they're mentally ill for practicing celibacy, im saying that celibacy can be a risk factor for developing mental illness as biologically we're social animals who require validation from the opposite sex to experience meaning in life.

> im saying that celibacy can be a risk factor for developing mental illness as biologically we're social animals who require validation from the opposite sex to experience meaning in life.

Did you just said Buddha, Tesla, Wright Brothers and several others were on the verge of mental illness?

no, that isnt what i said, feel free to re-read it until you understand properly. :2

I understand it, you think that we need validation from women to prevent mental degradation which far from the truth.

no, you're not fully understanding what im saying, feel free to re-read it :2

Yes I do understand it, you think that life is about seeking sex and female validation at any cost, even freedom while ignoring it can lead to mental degradation.

no, feel free to re-read what i stated as you still have a fundamental misunderstanding regarding it. trying reading it as its written instead of reading it as you want it to be written. :2

Feel free to re-read, re-read and re-read my posts as you have no idea about freedom.

Right but Maslow’s isn’t proven (they’ve tried and “it works sometimes” lol).

Most social psychology is one man’s opinion from decades ago.

You won’t die without sex but you won’t do well either. People who voluntarily abstain from sex are almost always women because they don’t have much of a sex drive as it is. Even then, it’s a very very small percentage of the total population. Using them to support your argument is pathetic and reaching

Using the actions of a very small percentage of women to support your arguments = totally valid

Using a small percentage of people so support my argument = reaching

Incel science at work.

Nah, incels are upset because more than a small percentage of women are terrible people who have no empathy for the opposite gender (save for the most attractive men). A large portion of women are like this. When you are raised to believe that the world owes you everything, you’ll grow up as an entitled bitch who has no sort of decency or gratitude. This describes young women in the West. They simply don’t care about other people, what they feel, what they think. A terrifyingly large percentage of women are borderline sociopaths who are unable to empathize with “ugly” men, aka most males.

Humans don't even exist typically without first sex, baka.

I don’t deny your pain, but your collective coping mechanisms are fucking pathological.

Not really, no.

Just to get it clear, Maslow's hierarchy of needs isn't science, it's borderline bunk and our psych professor said it was completely baseless back in university. There's valid meaning behind it, but none of it is scientific, it's mainly just the guy's opinion and a useful pyramid.

No

"Sex" is with the first order needs, meaning personal release, the desire for expression, with or without an outside actor

"Sexual Intimacy" is in the third order. That means fucking.

then why do shitstains on this board try to peddle nofap or giving up porn as any kind of meaningful solution

Easily misled

nofap is great if you can only get it up to tranny midget porn and jerk off 4 times a day. if you beat it 1-2 times a week, you don't need it.

Masturbation isn't sex, fool

Your missing the point.

The highest sexual value is a need to be satiated, through whatever means. Not the need for validation, coupling, and intimacy. That appears on the third tier.

OK, even then, sexual intimacy is needed for self esteem

Sure, but even self-esteem isn't a base need. It's fourth tier.

Just be confident, bro... Maslow says thats impossible for us

No, fucking is not peer bonding aka romance. You need to have peer bonding to make family units that lead to new family units. That's why family and friends are near it. it clearly means romance, not actual sex.

Sex is like oxygen, its no big deal until you're not getting any

Very underrated comment. Why get a job if I'm not getting sex and hookers are illegal? No reason. Without sex, everything north of that level gets corrupted. This pyramid completely explains why 'that type' of guy springs up in our current times.

yeah, anti incel feminists on Twitter are now doing an Anti-Maslow thing because he said people need sex so he was rapey. I saw it yesterday.

Why is sex and sexual intimacy two separate categories?

I suppose sex intended as masturbation

I suppose sex intended as masturbation

It means romance, why it is on the social life level.

1. You can fufill that need through masturbation

2. Because sex is required to have two partners, its not the same as giving you food or water.

3. Just because some trash people get free stuff doesnt mean we all do, I work for my food water and sex.

It is sex is entitled so if u want it take it Disney may say no but just hold her down

I think the most important thing to take out of the hierarchy is that many of the things people give downtrodden men/incels advice on is quite high up the pyramid.

Speaking of business theory and such, another thing to look into for you guys is Herzberg's twof factor theory. It's interesting in how it splits up factors into motivating and hygiene factors. Basically, motvaing factors are what the name inmplies, but hygiene factors are such that if left unfulfilled, there will be inherent dissatisfaction in the work environment, but naturally a bit of abstraction can apply it to more than the workplace.

The fundamental idea of certain fundamental needs being required for motivation and engagement is pretty much accepted social science at this point, but people can be surprisingly callous and act like people are simply weak minded losers for feeling unmotivated and having low engagement.

Remember, corporations have spent huge amounts of money researching and restructuring their practices to fulful needs for their employees in a more holistic fashion, because science flat out shows it increases engagement/motivation and thus productivity; but apparently the idea that society and people should work on creating such an environment for one another (and this isn't from a socialism perspective, I just mean decent behaviour towards those around you) is suddenly an alien concept.

Masturbation is a good stand in for sex. If you need validation from other people, join a group of ugly people and comfort each other. Have hugging circles or hold hands. Volunteer to help the needy, i know first hand they will hug the SHIT out of you. Take sex off the menu cause u cant whine till you get it. But you can get love and comfort in many other ways.

Your body eventually realizes that all that fapping isn't the real thing.

It does not. Dopamine still flows the same as it does with women.

Funny that. Tell that to my brain when I finish fapping and it realizes that I've been doing the same thing since I was 8 years old and I still haven't done the real thing.

Thats just shame kicking in. Lots of dudes have fucked someone and felt that shame. You experiencing the same emotion as a stacy who wants to commit but loves fucking around.

Bull. With a real woman it feels 100x better which makes for a better climax, which in turn leads to more dopamine released I would imagine. Also the whole "being wanted" thing would add to that. The closest you can get without a partner is a onahole and its not really the same since there is no heat or pheromones involved.

I agree but I believe the "being wanted" part falls under sexual intimacy. "Sex" on the lowest tier involves sex with a partner only, masturbation isn't nearly the same.

Whats the big difference between sexual intimacy and Sex ?

Really?

i know theres a difference. butwhy does that matter in this context

Because sexual release is a base need, but sexual intimacy (emotional) is a higher order need. Release can be achieved solo (masturbation), but intimacy requires a partner.

if you don't do the other 5 things on the bottom tier your body will cease to function within minutes to weeks and yet all you dipshits are still alive and shitposting

masturbation = sex

So why not go have sex with each other? You said it yourself, sex is essential to life. Why not drop your standards and give each other this essential service

dude you dont need sex , priests and nuns are celibate their whole lives and they live productive lives

priests and nuns are celibate their whole lives

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Hahahaha, what a crock of shit. Go 1 week without sex, then go 1 week without water, and tell me how it goes.

Yes but sex in this case can be masturbation too. The real "sex" belongs in the "love" category. I'm still blackpilled though don't worry

Suddenly this revered hierarchy of needs is meaningless drivel now that it effects incels, go figure

This has sex on there twice in different levels.

sex is only on this list because you literally need to do it to keep the human race alive....... he isn't talking about sex for pleasure only..

In b4 this thing gets deleted from the internet a la OKC.

There's a lot of misconceptions about maslow's.
Its not like the food pyramid where you need less of a thing as you climb it.
its not inherently a claim of importance where the bottom is the most important and the top is the least.

It is best to think of it as stairs.

Humans have needs concerning their psychological development, and cannot obtain the next step of needs until the current step is at least mostly met. This is actually rather common sense. If you are starving, which would you choose? an iphone or a bigmac? If you had food at home and you just had to deal with being a little hangry for a 30 minute drive, and were offered the same choice, which would you take? That's really all that maslows is. If your physiological needs are not at least mostly met, you will not seek safety. If your needs for safety are not mostly met, you will not seek love or belonging. etc. You cannot obtain self actualization if you lack esteem.

So why is sex on there? Well we need sex. No i'm not saying "without sex you will die" like food or water, I am stating that we have a physiological drive for it and if that drive is not satisfied, it will interfere with obtaining the next step. Might not prevent obtaining it, but it will make it harder to obtain.

He formulated that 'opinion' through a very thorough and in-depth scientific analysis. The entire field of sociology isn't science by your logic. Which is actually a fair argument. But you can't have it both ways. Almost every female issue that has money thrown at it is based on that field of 'science'.

You won’t die without sex but you won’t do well either. People who voluntarily abstain from sex are almost always women because they don’t have much of a sex drive as it is. Even then, it’s a very very small percentage of the total population. Using them to support your argument is pathetic and reaching

That's usually a "spoils of war" type thing. So again, something you have control over unlike hunger.

it's an example of people being irrational when a survival related need is not met. the fact you can't draw that from the comment is unforgivably and probably intentionally stupid.

Oh - definitely not saying it’s not a choice - just that the respondent above me seems to think that a brothel would be some sort of necessity in a war zone to folks who are inclined to violence. Not that there aren’t lots of examples of state-sanctioned sexual slavery during times of war. The “comfort women” in Japan and the Jewish women forced into similar positions at the concentration camps in Nazi Germany are just a couple of examples.

Humans don't even exist typically without first sex, baka.

> its necessary for being mentally healthy

Are you telling me, monks/those who are celibate are mentally ill?

Feel free to re-read, re-read and re-read my posts as you have no idea about freedom.