nothing new...

I'm 3'6 teehee but my boyfriend is 7"9 teeheeeeeee

Lmao

Honest kek

"Oh no, women find me unloveable because my pants are covered in two-week-old cum stains!"

Do you have brain damage?

lol they dumb as fuck

No, you're subhuman because you're disgusting both inside and out.

That's (partially) what he said, you low IQ retard.

He is subhuman because he is disgusting to look at. And it has to do with his upkeep.

Reading isn't your strong suit, is it? Can't read, can't interest women...what CAN you do?

By the way, keep talking about IQ like you're some positive outlier. That will definitely help you to not be forever alone. LOL

damn, now I am forever alone because I post "low IQ" on the internet.

Genius theories being brought forward by the man himself.

Gotta help you guys some how. You look like your sister-moms drank heavily while pregnant.

No u

You look like your sister-moms drank heavily while pregnant. sister-moms

Insulting our mothers and yet claim we're the misogynistic ones?

They would lick old cumstains off Chad

This is why you're incel

This is why I've been married for 10 years and get sex whenever I want. Too bad you'll never know what that's like. Poor, sad incels.

Your comment was deleted, but here was my response:

/r/ihavesex

Women can sense your hatred and anger. Maybe you should work on those so that they'd want to be around you. I am impressed your semen-encrusted waifu pillow has lasted ten years, though

haha, women are all Einstein. They just cannot "Sense" the intention of Chads that pump and dump them haha.

it is OVER for cumstaincels.

I’m 100% single and I be a girl.

Please be my gf

I’d never have a chance with a man like you

Do you find it amusing to bully subhuman men?

How is that bullying? I’m stating a fact. I would never have a chance, you guys hate us.

I don't hate you, but I will hate you if I find out you bully lonely subhuman men for fun

I am subhuman both mentally and physically

I’m not bullying at all, I’m trying to give a reasonable light to all these made up facts about women.

women not wanting to date ugly men is a made up fact

What did she mean by this

Did I say that? I may have, I dunno. Nobody wants to date anyone they find ugly, however, personality has a lot to do with dating criteria. I’ve heard it all btw.

“We’re uglier than you think”: I have seen ugly people in happy relationships.

“How do you know they’re not being cucked”: how do you know they are? There are legitimate happy people out there, not every ugly person is miserable.

Also, ugly is subjective.

Nobody wants to date anyone they find ugly

Exactly, so the personality cirteria won't even come into the picture if you're ugly

I have seen ugly people in happy relationships.

And I have seen ugly people who have never been in a relationship. Also a as woman your perception is skewed and you find the majority of men unattractive

There are legitimate happy people out there, not every ugly person is miserable.

Doesn't help me

Also, ugly is subjective.

Not as subjective as you think

I can’t even argue with a person who makes assumptions about me based on no proven facts whatsoever. I do not find most men ugly. Personality DOES matter, I’ve been with men who weren’t attractive right away but have become attractive. And it should help you, you have a chance.

Here’s a made up fact, since we’re throwing those out: you will have a zero percent chance to get with a woman if you continue to live the incel lifestyle and continue to be hateful. It will get you nowhere except deeper into the miserable hole YOU have dug yourself.

You two should bang...

Again: I’d never have a chance.

Again: I don't hate you or anyone else for no reason

Again, you’re making up a bullshit excuse therefore proving all of our points. Give him a chance since you’re preaching all of that shit. He said he doesn’t hate you. Let’s see what else you come up with and how you continue to prove us right.

based on no proven facts whatsoever.

it's not baseless, it's based off of okcupid data where women rated more than half the men as unattractive

Personality DOES matter

it DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU'RE UGLY, you even said this yourself

I’ve been with men who weren’t attractive right away but have become attractive.

from indifference to attraction is how normies get by. you can't/can only very rarely go from repulsiveness to attraction

and continue to be hateful

I'm not hateful, just ugly and non-NT

ugly is subjective

O rilly? http://www.fotolip.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ugly-people-4.jpg

He is handsome. I bet he will find a girl, the right girl is out there for him, j u s t n o t m e

UPDATE: he got a haircut! http://www.alux.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/hottest-tattooed-male-models22.jpg

LOOK AT ALL THAT CONFIDENCE! Amazing..

Did I say that? I may have, I dunno.

He’s saying that’s what you’re basically saying when you say we’re making up facts about women. Typical woman not understanding something so simple and obvious. 🤦‍♂️

“We’re uglier than you think”: I have seen ugly people in happy relationships.

So? Your one or two anecdotal examples of doesn’t change the majority of cases. That is clearly not the norm. Also, women will happily get with an ugly man if he had money, fame, etc.

Also, ugly is subjective.

Oh please, no it’s not. There’s such a thing as universal beauty. There are people who we all can undoubtedly agree are beautiful and ugly.

They’re not made up, they’re all based on an abundance of experiences and observations from many subhuman men. Do you call science made up too?

"I will hate you if you bully us. Even though you just complimented us and I insulted us....but I STAND BY IT!"

u seriously dont understand, do you?

I do. Not on a personal level, but I get it. No matter how nice I am, I’m attacked. I DON’T get the hate though and the fact this is called a “support” forum when you all bring each other down and would rather see the world burn than be peaceful.

I can’t help I was born a subjectively attractive female and I’m hated for that. “Oh poor you I feel so sorry for you” << I know, I’m not complaining. I know I’m lucky. But I shouldn’t be hated for it.

sigh. virtua signaller looking for orbiters. BAN

I clearly don’t speak incel language so that made zero sense.

ur stupid

Sorry you think that

An orbiter is basically a guy in the friendzone, "orbitting" around a woman hoping for a relationship or sex. A lot of people here believe that women seek out such orbitters because it makes them feel desirable or because they can get gifts out of them. So he's saying the only reason you mentioned your attractiveness in the previous post was to attract orbiters.

Virtue signalling is a scientific concept.

Oribiting is an RP concept in this context. Basically means women stringing along clueless men with an implication of something more than friendship/acquaintance.

inb4: ENTITLEMENT! REEEE - no sweetheart, your cunt has a magical value enriched by millions of years of sexual selection. It's just pure biology.

manosphere concept FTFY

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You said

RP concept

which I corrected.

Alright, fair.

Um...there is a lot of humor here..I'm no incel, but I love the great memes and comments. You can find a LOT more vitriol on IT.

Why do you guys downside her for calling you human?

That's pretty funny, I think I will down vote her too, not acceptable in this subreddit

Chad sounds like a douche, I don’t want him.

Roastie looking for attention lmao

"I don't hate women, they hate ME! They're always insulting me...I mean...this one is trying to be nice...and I just called her a name...wait no stop! I'm the victim!"

I don't hate women, they hate ME!

The chicken or the egg, dickhead?

In this case one is being a douche and the other one isn't.

If you want to divert the conversation to some weird obscure philosophical question that literally means nothing in the context of this conversation, be my guest.

It will help you feel better, but in the end means literally nothing.

The chicken or the egg, dickhead?

some weird obscure philosophical question that literally means nothing in the context of this conversation

How old are you, 10? It's literally connected to this conversation. You're basically saying that the chicken (hatred for women) came first, with which I disagree.

high IQ

with which I disagree

Ironically enough, nobody cares what you think. Which is why you're an angry little boy.

Gottem. ;)

thanks.

It is weird seeing a sub full of people whose shtick is that they care so deeply yet don't care at all.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Can you guys please think of something more clever to say? I’ve gotten this response tons of times.

I honestly couldn't have

At least you’re honest!

just noticed "megatits" , how many times have you been called mommy and been asked for pictures of your milkies while you've been here? Is that more or less clever?

That’s a good one, there ya go. I never have, though. This is my throwaway for a reason. I made this account because I wanted to upvote shit, it’s a spin off of my name and a joke because my tits are definitely not mega. Ha, ha, see I’m funny...

No I was just asking because I've seen that thrown around here a lot, I thought surely with that name it would happen. It is so dumb and such a low-ball attempt at trolling I find it genuinely funny

Ok meggie, quit the bullshit already and send some nudes.

Lol I feel so degraded lol I’m only good for my body lol men are such animals lol

Megatits or GTFO

Same. I give no fucks about Chads. I'm also not meant to be in a relationship with anyone.

I love you.

Voluntarily?

Mainly orbiters me think

Tall girls are easy to hit on because they're geeky, clumsy and think they're ugly.

Haha yes taylor swift and her tall model friends are clumsy and feel ugly

You’re not kidding lol. Less than a minute on the subreddit and one one of the posts is a tall girl complaining that really tall men prefer short girls. Someone reccommends “then just date short dudes”, but eww i don’t wanna. 0 self-awareness.

Women's lies are the most damaging thing to incels.

#teehee™

Now with advanced Orbiter Threading System™.

Cope

Im a woman in a relationship and i stumbled across this subreddit and im just wondering... do you want advice from girls? Or not really? And what kind of advice would you want or appreciate?

I think the problem is that we’re given advice (and criticism) yet it’s so easy to find numerous counter-examples.

Why are you focusing on the negatives instead of the positives? Do you think Einstein went "eh, a lot of people tried before me" and stopped studying physics?

If other people made it, why can't you?

Belief doesn't mean anything in the face of constant failure with no successes to speak of inbetween.

Rome wasn't built in a day! You are only hopeless when you stop watching yourself in the mirror because you stopped trying to like yourself, you are only hopeless when you give up on you!

I know it's hard. It's hard for everyone, trust me. It's easier to bounce back for some people, maybe because they had people that believed in them their whole life, maybe because the first time they tried they got lucky and so they know it works eventually. I don't know why for some people is a little easier, I just know that if you stop trying you start thinking your experience is universal... just because you've never experienced anything else! So even if you fail again it's still better than to be sure to never succeed at all.

The real question is, do you want to be proven wrong? Do you want to succeed?

I got surgery twice and people are still visually disturbed by my face. There is no success in that regard, that's just how it is. No amount of positive thinking or belief is going to change how people react to my appearance.

Dude I don't know what to say. It's heartbreaking that you had to suffer this much.

Still, the feedback I'd be getting is that is not physical appearance that's holding you back... you actually changed that but the response was the same. Have you felt more confident right after the surgery? Did it help you change how you view yourself?

Have you felt more confident right after the surgery?

Somewhat.

Did it help you change how you view yourself?

Nope. The problem was/is that the rest of my personality isn't really a factor in the first place (I've been already working to adress that mess for a while beforehand). Reactions from others stayed pretty much the same, one of the reasons why I then went for surgery tbh.

Exactly, this is why people become incels, no successes so why should they try? To go low then they all ready have? Ofc not

Get the fuck out of here imbecile dumb low IQ femoid. We don't live life in sandbox mode as you do. Your bullshit "you have to believe in yourself" excuse doesn't work in real human life.

This is the reason you aren't loved. You may have reasons to be bitter but you're choosing to act like an asshole, and in the end we judge people based on their actions.

Everyone suffers. You should take this into consideration when you interact with others.

I agree that “you have to believe in yourself” is bullshit and doesn’t work, but I’m curious why you responded to that with so much anger?

This is why your incel shower bro

Because more often than not positives are bubbly go-lucky bullshit and negatives are solid arguments.

I’m so curious about this! What kind of advice?

“Take a shower”
“Be confident”
“Stop hating women”
“Visit the gym”
“Watch movies with female protagonists”
“Treat women as people”

Advice and anecdotes from women would be fine if you practice what you preach. We have countless women who come here talking about how “height doesn’t matter to me” or “Indians aren’t unattractive to me,” but then their boyfriend is 6’ 4” and they would never date anyone who isn’t white.

How do you know that? Do you think that the kind of women who go after Chads are spending their saturday on Reddit?

The majority of women go after Chad, doesn't matter if they use Reddit or not.

Yeah, i can understand that it would be frustrating to hear that coming from someone that, like the OP says probably has a boyfriend or "chad" and is coming from an optimistic point of veiw. And whilst they probably aren't coming on here and saying those things to troll you, they probably have no idea how it feels to have lived your life.

Ironically, my boyfriend is a 6' 3" footballer and I am personally not physically attracted to people who are not of my ethnicity. Not from a racist place just because I like what I like. But i am the first girl friend he has ever had, for whatever reason, probably due to the psoriasis that covers most of his body and he is embarrassed about.

I dont claim to know the answers, humans are fucked up creatures.. and each and everyone's case of different. But I hope in my heart of hearts that for anyone that reads this they live their best life and by doing so welcome happiness and love into your life, in whatever form is acceptable for you, and have people in your life that celebrates your quirks and differences instead of judge you for them.

This isn't "advice" but what I genuinely hope for each person who's lives i touch in some way.

I’m not racist, it’s just a preference, TEEHEE.

Am I homophobic just because women arent my preference?

Am I racist if I wouldn’t employ black people in my company and exclusively preferred white people? Am I misogynistic if I wouldn’t employ females in my company and exclusively preferred men? Oh yea, there are laws against that.

Your depression must be clouding your judgement.

Preferences in a relationship have nothing to do with work. Ideally, you employ someone who's fit to do the job (which has nothing to do with skin color) whereas in a relationship you can choose someone who you're attracted to, which may or may not infer to skin color. This has nothing to do with racism.

You claim to be a "Blackpill Dealer" but you don't realize you're doing the opposite of that. You're labeling people things because you think their relative preferences are objectively wrong.

it also can't be a reason for being incel because there's no way every woman shares that racial preference... hence the existence of different races

Man, you really did well showing everyone what a good person you are. Now fuck off and run off do your footballer boyfriend you retarded narcissistic roastie.

You know what, I am a nice person. And im not the only nice person, man, woman or otherwise. And if finding a person and loving them for who they are, flaws and all makes me a "roastie" then I'll proudly be a roastie. Making vulgar crude statement about my genitalia doesn't make you a bigger man or a tough guy. It shows me that people like you are ones that I need to show extra compassion for because you think you hateful words make you strong but really they just show your vulnerabilities and you truly believe that by giving someone a reason not to like you by being crude and mean is better then them not liking you for the person you really are. I'm sure you have interesting and wonderful talents and knowledge that you light up when you talk about them, it's just your afraid of the rejection that the "beautiful people" culture our generation has created.

So I'm proud of my roast beef sandwich and im glad you recognise i am a good person. Thank you for taking the time to write the emotionally charged response that you did and giving me an insight into how your mind works.

If a woman is dating a 6'4" Chad, she's probably pretty hot herself. Why are you worries about what girls like that think? Why not try to figure out what more average looking or unattractive girls think?

All women go for 6’ 4” Chads, and would pick him over an incel any day. My oneitis is average, and she still goes for (and gets) good looking guys.

All women? Only 0.5% of men are 6ft4 or taller. So who do 99.5% of the remaining women date? Common guy, use some common sense. The majority of women don’t care about height. And if height really is an issue for you, why not put some 4 inch lifts in your shoes? tallmenshoes.com. And I’m pretty sure that if you’re super short, you can get a limb lengthening surgery to extend your height. A lot of Chinese athletes and political figures get this surgery. But totally not worth the money because I’m telling you, most women genuinely don’t care about height. They do care about confidence though and tall men tend to be more confident.

We just had a post about a woman ranting about her bfs 4 inch lifts, and how she would have dumped him on the spot if she knew earlier lmao.

You’re seriously delusional if you think it’s confidence getting women and not their height.

it's both. But confidence plays a way larger role than you seem willing to admit

You ever been attracted to a girl that doesn't fully meet the standards of beauty in our society?

Yes, people have preferences. Some like short, curly, black hair, others like long, straight, blonde hair. There isn't even one standard of beauty. Some groups consider emo girls with completely white skin, and skinny bodies beautiful, other groups consider tanned, fit girls beautiful.

How can you still have a oneitis after being blackpilled for so long?

I dont think anyone wants advice here... there is tons of advice on the internet.

Preferably advice that works. (Which has probably not yet been seen here.)

You're 15? Get out.

Incel literally means involuntarily celibate. If all you're friends are getting laid at 15 but you aren't even though you want to, you're an incel. You might temporarily be an incel though. Technically, most guys are incel at some stage of their life.

No. Now fuck off

Unless you can change our faces or skin color, you can't give us any advice that will help us.

This whole sub is really heartbreaking. Do you want advice from women? I’m happy to talk to anyone who wants to (I’m a woman), but I get the feeling you’re more looking to have what you’re going through be heard and validated, rather than looking for advice.

I hope you’re all doing as best as you can right now. No one deserves to feel this awful about themselves.

The problem is women come here to amuse themselves and to feel like they're "making difference" while doing absolutely nothing. Women can't give advice because they can't imagine the possibility of spending their whole lives utterly alone like many men end up . As a man you have to be good enough to find a partner while girls are guaranteed to find someone, the difference is only the quality of the man.

What heartbreaking is the unfathomable abyss between experiences of a man and a woman.

Thanks for your response, that’s really insightful. I guess it’s pretty ignorant of me, it’s not something I really thought about before r/incels got so much attention and I read into it a bit.

Being alone and feeling like there is no escaping that loneliness for the rest of your life must be incredibly difficult, you’ve helped me understand where some of the resentment and bitterness comes from.

Do you think this fundamental difference in experience is a recent thing, or has it always existed to some extent? Do you think anything will change this imbalance?

Life has always been bad for everyone - women were a commodity for marriage and men were competing for that with winners and losers. But now as men and women are pretty equal turns in dating they aren't equal at all. Now men compete for a woman who has a pool of tens of thousands men. Even raw numbers are skewed - there are more man in dating range than women and it's so much worse in India and China which has millions of leftover men.

Will something change that? No. There are no uses for broken spare parts and the whole situation is a perfect breeding ground for violence and misery. Desperate men make perfect soldiers and extremists and that's it. This is the life of failed men, this is the life of the incel.

I think you’re very right about desperate men making perfect soldiers and extremists, and it’s a problem that society needs to address in some way.

What do you think makes a man a “failed man”? Is there anything that could happen to reverse this way of thinking?

I’m sorry if any of this comes across as insensitive or is rude. I’d really like to understand the incel perspective and what leads to this way of thinking.

Genetics. Tall handsome men are often more intelligent, healthier and driven with people around them further helping genetically gifted people to nurture their qualities.

Everybody wants beatufiul children and that's why we all attracted to beautiful people. Every society is a little self-contained eugencis where desirable traits are fascilitated while undesirables are hated. As a man if you don't have outward desirable masculine traits like height and face structure or extraordinary one in a million shining personality then you are a failed experiment. To be stupid, ugly or both is a waste of genes and for people like the game was rigged from the start.

That’s interesting... do you think it sometimes becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy though? Like people who feel they have lost the genetic lottery so to speak don’t bother trying in life, and that leads them to being more unattractive? What about economic success - do you think that can counteract the disadvantage you think less traditionally masculine men are at?

I think the concept I struggle the most with is that it seems like there is so much emphasis on finding a mate, and not much on finding someone who you are compatible with and enjoy being with and want to build a life with. It’s like it doesn’t matter about who the woman is as a person, just whether or not she will date you. It feels dehumanizing. While I agree there is a bigger pool of men available for most women to hook up with, you still need to find one who is a good fit for you emotionally and practically, which may not necessarily be the best looking guy.

I think initial attraction is a big part of dating, especially with all the apps there are these days, but there is so much more to it than just finding someone attractive. Common interests, similar senses of humour etc. Are much more important for a relationship than immediate attraction based on looks. So I disagree that ugly men are a “failed experiment” with no place in the world, but I can see how modern society can make it feel that way.

Being down won't change your facial structure or make you shorter, the only way I can see it being a self-fulfilling prophecy is if you get fat which will make you look worse. If you're skinny there's nothing hiding how you look like.and of course economic success is very important... With handsome people tending to earn more, shocker, right? Both society and nature puts better-looking people at the top. And please, don't start about eye of the beholder, attractive features are universal.

The emphasis of this place is to find a woman will TOLERATE you, nobody wants to know ugly incel as a person. The truth there's always funnier, handsomer, wealthier and more adjusted than an incel.

What you're struggling to understand is that there can be men with ZERO desirability.

Haha the eye of the beholder is bullshit to a certain extent, people do have different tastes though. I agree there is a certain “attractiveness threshold” that people meet (or fail to meet). Looks aren’t the only important thing, but they are a big thing and I agree that conventionally attractive people have an inherent advantage.

I completely disagree that there is anyone with zero desirability. I have met a lot of people from many many backgrounds, and no one is completely undesirable.

Do you identify as an incel? I’ve enjoyed talking with you and appreciate the time you’ve taken to explain your point of view to me.

I don't, but will die alone and hopeful soon. You've met so many people from different backgrounds and yet picked the best you could get, just like the OP said.

I used to be a flight attendant, so met a lot of different people from all walks of life doing that. I’ve ended up with the person who fits best with me.

I hope you’re ok and that you don’t die alone (or soon). I’m pretty lonely right now (unemployed, just moved somewhere where I don’t know anyone, husband travels a lot for work), and love to talk, if you ever want someone to talk to, feel free to PM me

Another lonely woman with a husband. Welcomw to the statistics :). And women wonder why incels feel iffy about their advices.

I’m not trying to give advice, who am I to tell anyone how to live their life? I just wanted to understand this point of view instead of being immediately judgemental about it. You seemed down so I offered to talk if you wanted because I have a lot of free time right now.

Looks aren’t the only important thing

BIG LIE

I honestly don’t think they are. But everyone has different experiences and if you feel that way, it’s valid too.

I lot of people say this but in the end they settle with any white guy

What a surprise. This too is all your fault. The famous female empathy on full display with a heavy dose of victim blaming.

The burden of knowing you’ve missed out on many fundamental experiences that are impossible for you to get is what ultimately made me give up hope. As you get older, people don’t want to put in the time to “build a life” with someone, older women want to settle down so if you don’t have your shit together it’s over for you. You’ll never go on those care free dates where you just enjoy each others company, you’ll never build that life together as you both work your way up in your careers and move in together, you’ll never reach any milestones in life with anyone. You’re stuck with the emotional maturity of a teenager, you don’t even know how to kiss someone. There are no women that have the patience for a guy in that state.

It’s truly over. Once those doors are closed they don’t open again, time waits for no one and yours was wasted with nothing you could’ve done to change it - because you’re ugly, because you weren’t good enough as what you are.

I respectfully disagree with this - there is no set timeline for life milestones and everyone does things at a different pace.

I can’t imagine how hopeless feeling that way much be though. I’m happy to listen if you ever want to talk, just PM me

You seriously think that a persons priorities don't shift with age? You seriously think dating in your thirties is the same as dating in your twenties?

You're not even seriously thinking about this, you're just saying aloud what you want to hear.

Right just spitting anything that u see in a movie

I also dis agree respectably, there is a timeline, people that have missed out are COMPLETELY differently from those who haven't.

i think maybe the largest error here is the assumption that there aren't women who also struggle with this stuff, and also perhaps aren't on the 'normal' timeline?

So I disagree that ugly men are a “failed experiment” with no place in the world

not tying to be rude but where do U think they belong?

What about economic success - do you think that can counteract the disadvantage you think less traditionally masculine men are at?

Essentially, a wealth based attraction strategy can only be maintained by being wealthy. These relationships are short and superficial. If you bothered to read this sub for a while you'd understand that trying to " counteract the disadvantage[s]" is coping and will only further frustrate whoever is trying to escape their predicament.

That’s interesting... do you think it sometimes becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy though? Like people who feel they have lost the genetic lottery so to speak don’t bother trying in life, and that leads them to being more unattractive?

If you have a reason to believe that you've lost the genetic lottery, you lost the genetic lottery. This will be apparent in your social/academic success.

I think the concept I struggle the most with is that it seems like there is so much emphasis on finding a mate, and not much on finding someone who you are compatible with and enjoy being with and want to build a life with.

The general assumption is that a "mate" would have those qualities.

I think initial attraction is a big part of dating, especially with all the apps there are these days, but there is so much more to it than just finding someone attractive.

If these qualities do matter, they would only be secondary to physical attractiveness.

this is everything I have ever thought.

the game was rigged from the start. Best quote on this site. Really. This is exactly why "life isnt fair" exists. Its because it isnt and all of this will most likly lead me to kms or some related shit

Or why don't you approach girls who are as equally unattractive? Many girls feel the same way you do, but are more realistic about the type of partner they should pursue.

I've seen a couple girls as fucked up as I am... with boyfriend in streets. And many girls feel so when they can't get a boy every other girl wants, when they can't get the best. Hopelessness? Total loneliness? Most can't imagine that. And I'm not talking about feefees when she's in the group of close friends and boyfriend spares so little attention and it just feels soooo alone :( I'm talking about fact of having zero people who find you attractive - an impossible thought for a woman.

Genetics. Tall handsome men are often more intelligent, healthier and driven with people around them further helping genetically gifted people to nurture their qualities.

Everybody wants beatufiul children and that's why we all attracted to beautiful people. Every society is a little self-contained eugencis where desirable traits are fascilitated while undesirables are hated. As a man if you don't have outward desirable masculine traits like height and face structure or extraordinary one in a million shining personality then you are a failed experiment. To be stupid, ugly or both is a waste of genes and for people like the game was rigged from the start.

How does this make sense though? There are about the same amount of men and women in the world, if I remember correctly there are even slightly more women. If there are countless men forever alone but NO women, then that would mean there are actually a lot more men than women. But there aren't, unless you're in a mining town or oil platform in the middle of nowhere. So what gives?

Are we really using this argument again? There are more women than men if you include all ages because women outlive men. There are more men than women in DATING RANGE almost everywhere. Which is now much much worse due to immigration in many countries, I wonder what you will tell guys from India and China. I hope now that's makes sense it's really fucking tiresome to see long ago debunked bullshit.

that's not true. There are more women than men because female births ever so slightly outweigh male births. The difference in average lifespan is entirely in the 70s/80s and therefore unless you're granny-hunting has no impact on dating.

The mathematics just doesn't add up. There cannot be this many women with partners and so many men without.

Here's a good source https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2018.html

In majority of countries there's ~0.04 of ratio advantage on men's side. And it's actually other way around - guys are born more than girls. Your moth doesn't add up because you don't want it to add up - there ARE leftover men who will get nothing in their lives.

How on earth could a 0.04 aggregate difference account for the situation being described?

It's already a surplus over general amount of women whose population is already dominate men in 60+ age range.

Add that to the fact that there are already more men than women 20-40 range and it's obvious to see why men are considered more disposable as ever before and have almost no value while women are very precious.

Why doesn't someone just make and r/incel4incel (do unattractive girls get called incel too?) And start connecting to people in a similar position?

For same reason FAdating is a failure - there are much more men than women. On each F4M there are tens of M4F and requests made by women are always on the top.

Women have no idea how competitive dating is for men. Also no, unattractive girl today have no problems having boyfriend - no girl actually has a problem finding a SO, there just so many men around.

Okay fair enough

No one(white) deserves to feel this awful about themselves.

FIFY

Why do you say that?

Here u go>

1. (Link)[https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060]

Interesting article, I still think no one deserves to feel that down about themselves though, I’m not sure how/why that relates to race?

I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m just trying to understand this outlook. I’m sorry if I’ve offended you.

1. U seem like a good person its ok dont include the "I’m not trying to argue with you" its fine.
2. I dont either really, i guess in the end white people are more attractive and thats a fact I guess I will have to die with

I am here just reading and learning. I haven’t offered up any advice because I would also be pissed and feel patronized if someone told me how to solve all my problems without being asked or even knowing me. I do find some of what is said here to be a bit offensive, but I can’t say that in times of depression I haven’t said or thought some outrageous stuff as a means of venting. I don’t think anything will be solved until people make an effort to really understand what is happening, and being completely honest about the state of things. I am curious how you guys would view my situation. I am married to a man that is not conventionally attractive by the standards you list. I love him dearly though, and I would never want any other man in my life. Although he is tall, he has a very round face, he is middle eastern and is not rich. What I am attracted to is his loyalty, and how he cares for his loved ones. I have always felt lucky to be with him, and have never at any time felt like I was simply settling. Neither of us wants kids, so we didn’t marry based off my biological clock. We are both very career oriented and would rather make money and eventually travel together then have children. Does his height alone cast he and I into the stereotypes you have listed, are we an exception? This is not a sarcastic post, I am genuinely curious. I guess I am trying to see how black and white this really is for you, or if a lot of what you say is sort of dark humor. It seems so, but I would rather actually hear it than assume. Lol I suppose if I am just another roastie, I will accept that. I fit at least some of the criteria, since I did date around a bit before getting married, but I for sure have zero desire to jump onto any other guy. Thoughts?

You and the other women that come to find incel spaces and actually take interest are not the average woman, there's a chance you're an exception to the rule. Of course it's not black and white, but that doesn't mean there's hope, there are far too many incels for each of us to find our unicorn.

I appreciate your thoughtful response. I am not saying there is hope in terms of finding the "band-aid". I do feel like people need to talk more, and earnestly. The ugliness in life gets sort of blanketed by people who seem to think that they can make it all better by believing the negative just isn't true. Where it needs to start in my opinion though, is understanding and facing the truth, not fixing. The anger comes from being dismissed and belittled on top of getting the short end of the rope. I get that, absolutely. The least the world can start with is actually understanding, which won't fix things but it might make life slightly less miserable. Society is cruel, for other reasons I have gotten a small taste of that. (I am one of the few females diagnosed formally with autism) "just get over it, and you can change but you aren't trying" is a piss poor mentality. We were born this way. The roll of the genetic dice made us what we are. You can't just wish it away, and we get left out of the world looking in while others have the greatest time.

Nothing will change, the vast majority of us will end up killing ourselves. Most of society doesn't even know what an incel is, it took some guy with mental illness to run people over with a van for anyone to notice, and even then they still don't get it.

Yeah, I feel that. I ended up living as a hermit myself trying to get out of the grand games. It's sick when you need the world that hates you. I won't insult you by patting you on the head with some BS feel good.

I’m not a chad at all (6 foot, nerdy, overweight) and am in a loving relationship as are many of the people I know who certainly are not chads. This post is just false

I'm not sure if reddit would allow this, but if you genuinely don't want input from women could you put in the sidebar to suggest the only people that contribute are those who identify as incels? On the other hand, down voting and mocking the input from women seems like part of the game for you guys. I'm legitimately curious what this community wants as a whole. It seems like the users here seem to range from being receptive to comments to outright hateful, but I don't know what the majority thinks.

No they're not. That's the problem right there. Your mind is so made up of false ideas about other people that you've invented, that it prevents you from pointing the finger at yourself. Which is where it should point. You are like a fisherman holding his rod, (no pun intended), sitting inside at his computer bitching that no fish are biting. And then you blame the fish.

Science once again disproves your just-world fallacy.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260515593546

Bullies are terrible people, yet they are consistently popular and extremely successful with girls.

I was talking about YOU and your generalization that ALL females in here are orbiting "Chad". Some bullies are popular in high school, sure, and the world is not just by any means. But it is not all one or the other. YOUR world and YOUR reality depend entirely on what YOU do. Hence the fisherman analogy. Outside circumstance can have some effects on the circumstances of your life, but it pales in comparison to the effects your own choices have on your life. At some point in all our lives we have to face facts. Fact #1: No female alive is attracted to guys who bitch about their station in life. They like doers, and it makes sense from an anthropological perspective. So literally go do anything else than sit at your computer. Can all your dreams come true? Most definitely not. Can your station in life improve? Most definitely so. It is survival of the fittest, both physically and mentally, and bitching is not the way to survive.

I was talking about YOU and your generalization that ALL females in here are orbiting "Chad".

Yeah a quick glance at my posting history will have none of that. I love how you emphasized YOU so you made it clear that you were talking about me, and not just Incels in general like a smart person would.

Some bullies are popular in high school

The studies show that most, if not almost all, bullies are popular.

And the rest is you assuming stuff about me that you could not possibly know, so I won't address it.

I would not ever address any group in general, that is the root of so many of our problems today. That is the root of the problem of the incel. You seem to think that a link to an article which describes basic animal behavior is some sort of excuse for the inaccurate worldview of incels. And you are right, I apologize. I was responding as though you were the OP. Which you weren't, and that again, is my mistake. But the fact remains that each of us are more responsible for our own lives and choices than any outside circumstance ever could be. And I think that reality is lost on incels.

Wow first normie here that did not double down just for the sake of spite.

And yes we are responsible for our lives, but we have many limits too. A black kid growing up in a home with an alcoholic mother is still responsible for his life, but there will be many walls that he may never overcome. And that will be no fault of his own either.

I'm not interested in finding fault, just offering personal choice as a sledgehammer to break down these walls you reference.

And I take umbrage at "normie". I come from a fucked up situation too, and though I don't recommend it, I am a stronger person for it. You seem to value individuality when people speak to and about you, yet you lump me in as a normie. The world is a little more complex than just containing incels, normies, and whatever categories of your terminology I am leaving out. It seems to me incels have condensed their worldview to largely exclude personal responsibility, and I think that does a disservice to a lot of men on here.

And if you are wondering, I give a shit because in high school and college I had many qualities that were similar to incels, but minus the anger. I chose to make an attempt to change. It was fucking hard, and sucked at times. It required of me courage I didn't think I had to put myself in social situations to practice changing the things that were making me unhappy. I hope the same for any person on here that wants to make their life better.

ah yes the famous scientific studies of high school bully popularity

This is so dumb hahaha. Did you ever try NOT assuming EVERYTHING? Like, you are constantly lying to you and avoiding reality while hiding behind the ridiculous excuse it might be your fucking jaw. Truth could literally punch you in your average faces and you'd still go "nah, truth got probably a Chad boyfriend". oh my god you guys.

I’d never have a chance with a man like you

Lmao

I can’t even argue with a person who makes assumptions about me based on no proven facts whatsoever. I do not find most men ugly. Personality DOES matter, I’ve been with men who weren’t attractive right away but have become attractive. And it should help you, you have a chance.

Here’s a made up fact, since we’re throwing those out: you will have a zero percent chance to get with a woman if you continue to live the incel lifestyle and continue to be hateful. It will get you nowhere except deeper into the miserable hole YOU have dug yourself.

Honest kek

I think the problem is that we’re given advice (and criticism) yet it’s so easy to find numerous counter-examples.

Advice and anecdotes from women would be fine if you practice what you preach. We have countless women who come here talking about how “height doesn’t matter to me” or “Indians aren’t unattractive to me,” but then their boyfriend is 6’ 4” and they would never date anyone who isn’t white.

I dont think anyone wants advice here... there is tons of advice on the internet.

Preferably advice that works. (Which has probably not yet been seen here.)

No. Now fuck off

Rome wasn't built in a day! You are only hopeless when you stop watching yourself in the mirror because you stopped trying to like yourself, you are only hopeless when you give up on you!

I know it's hard. It's hard for everyone, trust me. It's easier to bounce back for some people, maybe because they had people that believed in them their whole life, maybe because the first time they tried they got lucky and so they know it works eventually. I don't know why for some people is a little easier, I just know that if you stop trying you start thinking your experience is universal... just because you've never experienced anything else! So even if you fail again it's still better than to be sure to never succeed at all.

The real question is, do you want to be proven wrong? Do you want to succeed?

Exactly, this is why people become incels, no successes so why should they try? To go low then they all ready have? Ofc not

Why do you say that?

Unless you can change our faces or skin color, you can't give us any advice that will help us.