He adjusted his data to hide the real numbers and is claiming the original was a data error. Why? It showed the rise was too steep and too sex-specific (i.e. men). The gynocrasy got to him. 14% my ass. I bet 80% of the male population is celibate by his meaning of the term, i.e. no sex in the last year.
Important to note is that the men have no chance to get laid at all (except via prostitutes) and the females are holding out for chad. The men are incels the women are volcels.
Also, that gap is going to become so huge in the coming decade, lol
I know females who are incels because they're shy (don't know how to approach or talk to males/grossed out by Chads who they feel are trying to use them for one night stands) or who are just unattractive. If men don't have sex with available sexual partners (prostitutes or women they find unattractive), are they technically volcels? Thoughts?
Men can't have sex with women they find unattractive (need to at least get your dick hard to have sex).
Prostitutes are expensive and not easily affordable for every incel. It's also extremely unfair that women get sex for free, while many men have to pay. All that said, I'm of the opinion that incels definitely should use prostitution to aleviate some of their pain.
I agree that prostitution is a good alternative for people who cannot get sex elsewhere. It is clear that inceldom is extremely painful, and I would encourage incels to seek any alleviation available to them. For women who are unable to have sex due to being unattractive, wouldn't they have to pay as well?
In terms of arousal, the same could be said for women (they need to be aroused to get wet, without which sex is painful). You could argue that women could use lube, but then one could say that men could use viagra or other enhancers. Do you think that there's a bar of attractiveness, and men/women who don't meet that bar are out of luck (because they themselves are not attractive but cannot become aroused for other people below the bar)? Or do you think there are brackets of attractiveness? If so, do you think it's possible that some incels are unable to have sex because they're only looking for sexual partners outside of their attractiveness bracket?
For women who are unable to have sex due to being unattractive, wouldn't they have to pay as well?
Lets bet honest here, that is a very, very tiny minority. I live in a country where prostitution is widely and easily available and the market for male (non-homosexual) prostitutes is non existant. For men on the other hand the market is gigantic (there are brothels everywhere and multiple just a few blocks away from my place).
In terms of arousal, the same could be said for women (they need to be aroused to get wet, without which sex is painful). You could argue that women could use lube, but then one could say that men could use viagra or other enhancers.
I'm not an expert on viagra (don't need it lol), but I always thought that it just helps you get aroused but doesn't give you an automatic errection by just popping a pill.
Do you think that there's a bar of attractiveness, and men/women who don't meet that bar are out of luck (because they themselves are not attractive but cannot become aroused for other people below the bar)?
Sounds plausible. But I think the "bar of entry" for women is much lower than for men.
Many men live in countries where its illegal like the US, Canada and Northern Europe. Some incels such as myself would have to travel overseas if it was because plenty men can't take the risk of a criminal conviction for it. I was already scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to get a date before i gave up and accepted the blackpill. My oneitis was a 4/10 like me. Plenty of the women i pursued were kind of fat and about at the limit of what i could get an erection for if they would sleep with me. As it happens i was rejected every time.
If men don't have sex with available sexual partners (prostitutes or women they find unattractive), are they technically volcels?
Prostitutes aren't "available partners" because they can and do reject clients, while taking the money anyway, and thus an ugly guy trying to get a prostitute is simply playing the same dating game, except with much higher financial liability.
But yeah, a guy who does have available partners and chooses not to get together with them is obviously volcel.
more than tripled in 30 years, and look how its shooting up with no signs of slowing down in the last 6 years. It's going to get a lot worse.
We know the stats from evolutionary biology, 1 man for every 5 women passed down his genes. Femoids will destroy society with their discriminatory hypergamy. the uprising is inevitable.
Look at that jump from 2010 to 2015, it basically doubled. I guarantee social media and online dating (which started becoming popular during this period) can explain it.
more likely the financial crash. That started in 2008 where the spike is. Internet/social-media/porn didn't help and that arguably become popular in 2000.
Social media as we know it started coming to the forefront around 2009-10 and free porn tube sites started blowing up with content around 2006-7-8 alongside YouTube.
Someone should extrapolate it going forward and estimate how long before beta males eventually rise up and put an end to it. There has to be a critical mass where society simply no longer functions.
1 man for every 5 women passed down his genes. Femoids will destroy society with their discriminatory hypergamy. the uprising is inevitable.
Nah, it's 40% to 80%. This surprised those who found out because they predicted it would be 1 in 5. Hypergamy is basically accepted in the scientific community.
More leftover males dropping out of the game. If they did this in large numbers, it could potentially devastate the economy. Let's put it this way, the men who are buying the bigger houses, fancy cars, jewelry, vacation packages, designer clothes and other expensive items are mainly those who are trying to attract a potential mate. If they suddenly started giving up and decided not to play that game anymore, all those industries would suffer.
This probably explains why the elite are deleting blackplled articles. Won’t help though, you don’t need stats to see the hypergamy and lookism all around you.
Thanks, I enjoy discourse beyond troll comments of ‘rape and pillaging’. But, if this is the trend and a considerable emerging problem, how do you think the government/society will respond? Only solution is bringing back the nuclear family long term, but gov could potentially just mass incarcerate all the disillusioned males ?
Also, is economic collapse really that likely as there are many ways to fill labour shortages etc (immigration), also the fact that the top 10-20% of income earners account for 60+% of economic output, and they are likely to be getting gold diggers etc. As well as future prospects of automation reducing labour needs/threat of incel withdrawal from labour.
However it is a huge problem, but I think the more likely outcome will be increases in crime and hedonism. But future advances such as sex bots/realistic VR allowing incels to vent their instead of in more nefarious ways could circumvent the issue?
How would the government respond? Probably more draconian laws on the books that would shrink everyone's personal freedoms even further - not just incels, but literally everyone. Society? More vilification of any guy who even implies he can't get a date, get a girlfriend, more fear, more feminist rhetoric, etc. In the end, all this would just ignite the incel flames far more.
Immigration is a predictable response, but with places like China, Japan and India already experiencing their own incel problems, it looks like this is on the way to becoming a worldwide problem.
As far as the top earners go, they wouldn't all be immune to a drastic economic downturn. For example, in the 1929 USA stock market crash, many wealthy people lost everything. Also, when even one industry takes a hit, many are indirectly affected. In this case, it would be multiple industries taking major blows, so even more industries would take an indirect hit. The owners, CEO's, CFO's, etc, of all these companies would take a personal hit.
Automation? Good point. That would at least take care of the labor problems. But, I think a lot less people would be buying the goods they are manufacturing in the first place.
Sexbots? Oh yeah, definitely. Forward thinkers of today would do well to invest in that industry, since that one could easily weather the storm, especially if there was more research and development. As far as the incel problem goes, I've been a major supporter of sexbots. With sexbots, nobody feels they have to force women to be with men they aren't attracted to, like what would happen if we returned to "traditional" marriages or threw them back in the kitchen again. It might sound messed up, but I'm pretty much convinced sexbots would prevent another Great Depression and save western civilization itself.
In the end, this is all just speculation since I don't have a working time machine. For all we know, I could be way off base (let's hope so!). Or, it could be even worse than I think. What if 50 years from now the incels actually started a civil war...and won? I don't think that's likely, but it's certainly possible. No matter what path this situation takes, I'm worried about the future. If they ban sexbots, too many leftover males won't end any other way but badly. No matter what form "badly" takes, it's gonna hurt us.
Thank you, as well. You're civil, as well as clearly intelligent, and that's a rare thing to see on the internet nowadays. Seems no matter what subject, ideology, philosophy, etc, if someone expresses a differing idea or opinion, people get hostile. People here talk about the SJW's being easily triggered, but I've seen them do the exact same thing. Disagree with dogmatic manosphere thinking? You're a "cuck" or a "soyboy". I've been on the receiving end of such insults - and worse - on more than one occasion.
One should always be able to entertain other viewpoints as you say, otherwise dogmatism just perverts truth. Even if you don’t identify as an incel yourself, it isn’t far-stretched to assume/observe that some males would severely struggle with women due to superficial genetic abnormalities in spite of redpilling.
The manosphere talks frame, confidence etc... But doesn’t delve deeper into issues such as feedback loops formed in adolescence or the importance of hormones such as testosterone in confidence, no motherfucker with a fucked up endocrine system will have energy/confidence/well-being.
The future will be interesting though, despite its problems there is much promise.
well, humans will finally evolve again, and the percentage of ugly people will be lower, with that percentage of incels. Every one being able to reproduce is what brought you to this world
Like I said in my comment, 5 women for every 1 man has passed on her genes for thousands and thousands of years, and YET here we are. It's not about being "ugly". It's about being COMPARATIVELY ugly.
The bottom tier will always be incel, no matter how good looking this bottom tier is
An uncomfortable truth that will be swept under the rug for years to come, just like the 60% drop in sperm count in men over the last 20 years and the dropping testosterone levels worldwide.
Pornhub is by far the most popular site to go to for consumption. It's also much easier for the average Joe to access copious amounts of porn now than it was in the 2000s. Financial crisis could be a factor if a lot of men needed to pitch themselves as the dependable type for dates.
JFL at people thinking that pornhub was the beginning of internet porn!
I can remember looking at porn on the internet in 1998 when i was a seriously horny lad. One thing about 2008 is that the iphone and other smartphones were entering main stream circulation. Smartphones are the main cause of female hypergamy and slut culture.
Yep, and of course because of laws it's legal for someone underage to fuck a 15 year old but I could't do the exact same fucking thing, I just want to be able to go after girls in an age range where there is a reasonable chnce of them being virigns.
Running a polygamous technological society is dangerous. Its a lot easier for betas to kill alphas and seize the tribe and the females now than it was 200,000 years ago. We have much deadlier killing machines than sharp sticks and rocks.
But you forget that most betas aren’t actually blackpilled noncucks like us and are actually betabux numale servants to Stacy and Chad. They’ll continue to serve them their whole life as long as Chad continues to charge and provide them with their soylent.
Notice how it says "prior year" i.e. men who haven't had sex in a YEAR, not ever. If love is a battlefield, normie men are in the trenches and we're in concentration camps.
It's funny how they always use that year time frame. Very convenient that if you have sex once a year on Valentine's Day the stats will not show you as a dead bedroom.
He honestly believes that a huge number of young men aren't having sex because they just don't want to. He literally used the term 'voluntarily celibate'
Notice how it really picks up after 2008? Corresponds with the release of iOS 2, e.g. when the modern smartphone era really began. Apps enable female hypergamy like crazy. (Celibacy rates go up for both sexes, because the Recession, but the gap increases due to dating apps.)
This is a self-reported study so not really accurate for embarrassing things like this, it wouldn't surprise me if in reality it was about two times as high for men. Looking around in a college classroom I can safely say that 80% of the guys are not having or going to have sex any time soon.
Rising beauty standards due to dating apps is to blame, I really wish we could get some sort of "anti-bodyshaming" thing going for men but I'll doubt it'll ever happen. America/the west will probably end up like Korea where people are hyperfocused on looks and 20% of the population gets plastic surgery
I would really like to see 22-28 data. Data from older ages decreases the unmarried number since women get desperate and settle down due to losing Chad wars. I bet the number is even higher if you go to younger guys.
I'm curious about something. Why are women seen as desperate for losing Chad wars, but men aren't seen as desperate for losing Stacey wars? Like if the guys that get selected in second place after the top Chads are known as betacucks, what are the Staceys that come in second called? Do Staceys married happily to Chads stay Stacey?
Stacey wars takes the form of nice guys pining over girls way out of their league and showering them with gifts, dates, etc with the girl having no intention of putting out. They are 100% seen as pathetic.
In this system, what is the benefit of women ever bothering with any man other than Chad until she is over 25? Seems like she should spend all her resources becoming someone beautiful and brilliant enough to win a Chad, and have fun with them until she's considered used up anyway. Then she can be with a man who wants to spend his life with her because he didn't deserve a top tier woman anyway, but he's willing to do what it takes to get laid. Then you guys are SOL because no woman wants a guy that thinks she's used up, and you don't want them. Isn't this mythology kind of a lose-lose situation for you? If you believe this, then you're actually done with dating the second you realize you aren't a Chad, and don't want to be a beta. Why go through all this misery worrying about something your own logic says isn't possible?
There is no reason for women not to do this but men who cannot be Chad still have sex drives so we can't just "not go through the misery", that is the entire problem. There is no moral solution and that's not really what this sub is for.
So why all the hate for beta males? If you can't be Chad, why not beta? You could also subvert your sex drive into work. Buddhists have been doing that for millenia. Suffering is caused by unrealistic expectations etc.
Why is there no moral solution? An immoral solution certaintly isn't an option.
Until their 25th birthday. At 25 all women become old wenches and hags. Alternative titles are: grandma, christmas cake (japan), old lady, retirement home resident.
Android Smartphones like better quality Samsung Galaxies hitting the marker..they and HTCs were significantly cheaper than Iphones, opening up smartphone ownership to millions more
Credits to the Twitter normie who did/published? this research. RIP to 2018 society that such information needed some twitterer to obtain, what happened to those thousands of other scientists out there?
Hypergamy is a disease, and incels are the casualties of it. Foids would rather be Chad's sidepiece than have a monogamous relationship with their looksmatch.
nope. The numbers don't lie: the only people being left out of the equation and bottom tier men, which means means average and below women are more willing to abstain or be a side-chick for Chad than date a low tier male. You are insane if you think this isn't a growing problem.
Pornhub is by far the most popular site to go to for consumption. It's also much easier for the average Joe to access copious amounts of porn now than it was in the 2000s. Financial crisis could be a factor if a lot of men needed to pitch themselves as the dependable type for dates.
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1 fatchancebud 2018-05-04
GSS and other data gathered by a VOX and demographic intelligence analyst, see his twitter page where he is defending his research https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/992105680000749570
He said he will formally publish his data soon https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/992456904197754880
1 tastygrass 2018-05-04
Not trying to debunk him but I'm actually really curious. How was this study conducted and where was this sample collected from?
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-04
see source post I made, also it's just GSS data I think, but he explains it ALL in his twitter
1 tastygrass 2018-05-04
I'd love to see this on r/dataisbeautiful. This is a really interesting study
1 DavidJewenstein 2018-05-04
He adjusted his data to hide the real numbers and is claiming the original was a data error. Why? It showed the rise was too steep and too sex-specific (i.e. men). The gynocrasy got to him. 14% my ass. I bet 80% of the male population is celibate by his meaning of the term, i.e. no sex in the last year.
1 xxgtxy 2018-05-04
Important to note is that the men have no chance to get laid at all (except via prostitutes) and the females are holding out for chad. The men are incels the women are volcels.
Also, that gap is going to become so huge in the coming decade, lol
1 saltpsychology 2018-05-04
I know females who are incels because they're shy (don't know how to approach or talk to males/grossed out by Chads who they feel are trying to use them for one night stands) or who are just unattractive. If men don't have sex with available sexual partners (prostitutes or women they find unattractive), are they technically volcels? Thoughts?
1 xxgtxy 2018-05-04
Men can't have sex with women they find unattractive (need to at least get your dick hard to have sex).
Prostitutes are expensive and not easily affordable for every incel. It's also extremely unfair that women get sex for free, while many men have to pay. All that said, I'm of the opinion that incels definitely should use prostitution to aleviate some of their pain.
1 saltpsychology 2018-05-04
I agree that prostitution is a good alternative for people who cannot get sex elsewhere. It is clear that inceldom is extremely painful, and I would encourage incels to seek any alleviation available to them. For women who are unable to have sex due to being unattractive, wouldn't they have to pay as well?
In terms of arousal, the same could be said for women (they need to be aroused to get wet, without which sex is painful). You could argue that women could use lube, but then one could say that men could use viagra or other enhancers. Do you think that there's a bar of attractiveness, and men/women who don't meet that bar are out of luck (because they themselves are not attractive but cannot become aroused for other people below the bar)? Or do you think there are brackets of attractiveness? If so, do you think it's possible that some incels are unable to have sex because they're only looking for sexual partners outside of their attractiveness bracket?
Thank you for your response!
1 xxgtxy 2018-05-04
Lets bet honest here, that is a very, very tiny minority. I live in a country where prostitution is widely and easily available and the market for male (non-homosexual) prostitutes is non existant. For men on the other hand the market is gigantic (there are brothels everywhere and multiple just a few blocks away from my place).
I'm not an expert on viagra (don't need it lol), but I always thought that it just helps you get aroused but doesn't give you an automatic errection by just popping a pill.
Sounds plausible. But I think the "bar of entry" for women is much lower than for men.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168948903&pagenumber=1
The defense rests.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
Many men live in countries where its illegal like the US, Canada and Northern Europe. Some incels such as myself would have to travel overseas if it was because plenty men can't take the risk of a criminal conviction for it. I was already scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to get a date before i gave up and accepted the blackpill. My oneitis was a 4/10 like me. Plenty of the women i pursued were kind of fat and about at the limit of what i could get an erection for if they would sleep with me. As it happens i was rejected every time.
1 Carkudo 2018-05-04
Prostitutes aren't "available partners" because they can and do reject clients, while taking the money anyway, and thus an ugly guy trying to get a prostitute is simply playing the same dating game, except with much higher financial liability.
But yeah, a guy who does have available partners and chooses not to get together with them is obviously volcel.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
Someone should try projecting the graph going forward
1 its_a_fishing_show 2018-05-04
Women's attitudes have changed. Incel's are not wrong. Keep fighting and good luck.💀👍
1 bcat124 2018-05-04
more than tripled in 30 years, and look how its shooting up with no signs of slowing down in the last 6 years. It's going to get a lot worse.
We know the stats from evolutionary biology, 1 man for every 5 women passed down his genes. Femoids will destroy society with their discriminatory hypergamy. the uprising is inevitable.
1 BF8211 2018-05-04
Look at that jump from 2010 to 2015, it basically doubled. I guarantee social media and online dating (which started becoming popular during this period) can explain it.
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-04
more likely the financial crash. That started in 2008 where the spike is. Internet/social-media/porn didn't help and that arguably become popular in 2000.
1 toewstobickell 2018-05-04
Social media as we know it started coming to the forefront around 2009-10 and free porn tube sites started blowing up with content around 2006-7-8 alongside YouTube.
1 7339er 2018-05-04
the age of tinder, instagram and snapchat. it has ruined society
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
Someone should extrapolate it going forward and estimate how long before beta males eventually rise up and put an end to it. There has to be a critical mass where society simply no longer functions.
1 ILiekPlantz 2018-05-04
Nah, it's 40% to 80%. This surprised those who found out because they predicted it would be 1 in 5. Hypergamy is basically accepted in the scientific community.
1 Petherow 2018-05-04
http://awakeningtimes.com/8000-years-ago-17-women-reproduced-for-every-one-man/
1 ILiekPlantz 2018-05-04
That is just one instance in history and an exaggerated one. But yeah, usually far fewer men reproduce. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool
1 BenzoBoomer 2018-05-04
What will the uprising be?
1 LooksMatterToWomen 2018-05-04
More leftover males dropping out of the game. If they did this in large numbers, it could potentially devastate the economy. Let's put it this way, the men who are buying the bigger houses, fancy cars, jewelry, vacation packages, designer clothes and other expensive items are mainly those who are trying to attract a potential mate. If they suddenly started giving up and decided not to play that game anymore, all those industries would suffer.
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-05-04
This probably explains why the elite are deleting blackplled articles. Won’t help though, you don’t need stats to see the hypergamy and lookism all around you.
1 BenzoBoomer 2018-05-04
Thanks, I enjoy discourse beyond troll comments of ‘rape and pillaging’. But, if this is the trend and a considerable emerging problem, how do you think the government/society will respond? Only solution is bringing back the nuclear family long term, but gov could potentially just mass incarcerate all the disillusioned males ?
Also, is economic collapse really that likely as there are many ways to fill labour shortages etc (immigration), also the fact that the top 10-20% of income earners account for 60+% of economic output, and they are likely to be getting gold diggers etc. As well as future prospects of automation reducing labour needs/threat of incel withdrawal from labour.
However it is a huge problem, but I think the more likely outcome will be increases in crime and hedonism. But future advances such as sex bots/realistic VR allowing incels to vent their instead of in more nefarious ways could circumvent the issue?
1 LooksMatterToWomen 2018-05-04
How would the government respond? Probably more draconian laws on the books that would shrink everyone's personal freedoms even further - not just incels, but literally everyone. Society? More vilification of any guy who even implies he can't get a date, get a girlfriend, more fear, more feminist rhetoric, etc. In the end, all this would just ignite the incel flames far more.
Immigration is a predictable response, but with places like China, Japan and India already experiencing their own incel problems, it looks like this is on the way to becoming a worldwide problem.
As far as the top earners go, they wouldn't all be immune to a drastic economic downturn. For example, in the 1929 USA stock market crash, many wealthy people lost everything. Also, when even one industry takes a hit, many are indirectly affected. In this case, it would be multiple industries taking major blows, so even more industries would take an indirect hit. The owners, CEO's, CFO's, etc, of all these companies would take a personal hit.
Automation? Good point. That would at least take care of the labor problems. But, I think a lot less people would be buying the goods they are manufacturing in the first place.
Sexbots? Oh yeah, definitely. Forward thinkers of today would do well to invest in that industry, since that one could easily weather the storm, especially if there was more research and development. As far as the incel problem goes, I've been a major supporter of sexbots. With sexbots, nobody feels they have to force women to be with men they aren't attracted to, like what would happen if we returned to "traditional" marriages or threw them back in the kitchen again. It might sound messed up, but I'm pretty much convinced sexbots would prevent another Great Depression and save western civilization itself.
In the end, this is all just speculation since I don't have a working time machine. For all we know, I could be way off base (let's hope so!). Or, it could be even worse than I think. What if 50 years from now the incels actually started a civil war...and won? I don't think that's likely, but it's certainly possible. No matter what path this situation takes, I'm worried about the future. If they ban sexbots, too many leftover males won't end any other way but badly. No matter what form "badly" takes, it's gonna hurt us.
Thank you, as well. You're civil, as well as clearly intelligent, and that's a rare thing to see on the internet nowadays. Seems no matter what subject, ideology, philosophy, etc, if someone expresses a differing idea or opinion, people get hostile. People here talk about the SJW's being easily triggered, but I've seen them do the exact same thing. Disagree with dogmatic manosphere thinking? You're a "cuck" or a "soyboy". I've been on the receiving end of such insults - and worse - on more than one occasion.
1 BenzoBoomer 2018-05-04
One should always be able to entertain other viewpoints as you say, otherwise dogmatism just perverts truth. Even if you don’t identify as an incel yourself, it isn’t far-stretched to assume/observe that some males would severely struggle with women due to superficial genetic abnormalities in spite of redpilling.
The manosphere talks frame, confidence etc... But doesn’t delve deeper into issues such as feedback loops formed in adolescence or the importance of hormones such as testosterone in confidence, no motherfucker with a fucked up endocrine system will have energy/confidence/well-being.
The future will be interesting though, despite its problems there is much promise.
1 supakomanija 2018-05-04
well, humans will finally evolve again, and the percentage of ugly people will be lower, with that percentage of incels. Every one being able to reproduce is what brought you to this world
1 bcat124 2018-05-04
Like I said in my comment, 5 women for every 1 man has passed on her genes for thousands and thousands of years, and YET here we are. It's not about being "ugly". It's about being COMPARATIVELY ugly.
The bottom tier will always be incel, no matter how good looking this bottom tier is
1 supakomanija 2018-05-04
nope. there was time when uglz men married and had kids too
1 Lesbianchad 2018-05-04
I am going to have to assume that this has something to do with modern day social media and dating apps
1 Mest666 2018-05-04
probably more failed people are alive due to medicine
1 TropicalStormJim 2018-05-04
An uncomfortable truth that will be swept under the rug for years to come, just like the 60% drop in sperm count in men over the last 20 years and the dropping testosterone levels worldwide.
1 tfl38yrs 2018-05-04
Of course this means top 10% of men are fucking that much more. Fuck this society up it's cancerous ass.
1 GudgerCollegeAlum 2018-05-04
From the horse's mouth: https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/992382141886496769
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
The big inflection point seems to be when Pornhub was created in 2008. This may not be the data we're looking for.
Only possible takeaway here is that men became complacent cucks who turned to some internet porn instead of challenging women.
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
There is a slight downward turn for women though when Tinder exploded mid-2013 🤔
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-04
the financial crisis was larger than pornhub and THAT started in 2008. Also porn became popular before that.
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
Pornhub is by far the most popular site to go to for consumption. It's also much easier for the average Joe to access copious amounts of porn now than it was in the 2000s. Financial crisis could be a factor if a lot of men needed to pitch themselves as the dependable type for dates.
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
Actually never mind, someone did these trends by race and the picture is a LOT more clear now:
https://twitter.com/toad_spotted/status/992419607066697729
Pretty obvious takeaway now lol.
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-05-04
are you saying people are virgins because of pornhub?
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
No it just bothers me when people misread graphs. This aint the one to prove our point.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
JFL at people thinking that pornhub was the beginning of internet porn!
I can remember looking at porn on the internet in 1998 when i was a seriously horny lad. One thing about 2008 is that the iphone and other smartphones were entering main stream circulation. Smartphones are the main cause of female hypergamy and slut culture.
1 chadbhava 2018-05-04
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
Huh
1 ShinJoe 2018-05-04
It's way higher than that. Guys are lying about getting laid and females are lying about not getting laid.
1 Moist___ 2018-05-04
True
1 CountyMcCounterson 2018-05-04
The majority of 15 year old girls have been dicked so this is definitely an understatement
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-05-04
Yep, and of course because of laws it's legal for someone underage to fuck a 15 year old but I could't do the exact same fucking thing, I just want to be able to go after girls in an age range where there is a reasonable chnce of them being virigns.
1 iQ9k 2018-05-04
High IQ comment
1 minoxidilcel 2018-05-04
and then count the guys who got laid only thanks to prostitution
1 atheist_terry_jones 2018-05-04
what happens if we linearly extrapolate this graph out to 2032?
1 This_Is_Pulse 2018-05-04
Probably Something like 45% of men aren’t having sex and the top 10% of men who do have It have sex like 3 times a day
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
Running a polygamous technological society is dangerous. Its a lot easier for betas to kill alphas and seize the tribe and the females now than it was 200,000 years ago. We have much deadlier killing machines than sharp sticks and rocks.
1 This_Is_Pulse 2018-05-04
But you forget that most betas aren’t actually blackpilled noncucks like us and are actually betabux numale servants to Stacy and Chad. They’ll continue to serve them their whole life as long as Chad continues to charge and provide them with their soylent.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
Give it enough time. 4chan memed a president into office. The ideas on /pol/ are being used by people who were mainstream normies 10 years ago.
1 This_Is_Pulse 2018-05-04
I just love 4chan, nothing like having weaponized autism or our side
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
They will dominate all life on earth soon. 8chan is over 9000 times more powerful too!
1 CountyMcCounterson 2018-05-04
The day of the rope
1 lonely_suicidal_cel 2018-05-04
Hypergamy and female entitlement ruined everything for us
1 NewLoadsOfFun 2018-05-04
Normies again real silent now lol
1 ohsoglorious 2018-05-04
I havent had sex in 8 years
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-05-04
29 year old virgin here. Get on my lvl
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-05-04
Stop bragposting. I wish I had sex 8 years ago.
1 Throwaway1337145317 2018-05-04
Notice how it says "prior year" i.e. men who haven't had sex in a YEAR, not ever. If love is a battlefield, normie men are in the trenches and we're in concentration camps.
1 El_Tigrex 2018-05-04
It's funny how they always use that year time frame. Very convenient that if you have sex once a year on Valentine's Day the stats will not show you as a dead bedroom.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-05-04
Sex once a year is still a lot more than I could imagine.
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-05-04
This guy's a bit of a moron.
He honestly believes that a huge number of young men aren't having sex because they just don't want to. He literally used the term 'voluntarily celibate'
1 Virion85 2018-05-04
Notice how it really picks up after 2008? Corresponds with the release of iOS 2, e.g. when the modern smartphone era really began. Apps enable female hypergamy like crazy. (Celibacy rates go up for both sexes, because the Recession, but the gap increases due to dating apps.)
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
My guess is the gap for the females is mainly a result of land whales and ham beasts holding out for Chad or Becky's who are now Alpha widows.
1 SkankHunter1488 2018-05-04
There was a financial crisis in 2008. Maybe it has more to do with it becoming harder to become a betabux after the recession.
1 INCELMAN2000 2018-05-04
This is a scientific blackpill, and look at the trajectory of the graph for men. That is crazy. It will continue rising.
1 Darth-Incel 2018-05-04
The cock carousel is actually read. Shocking.
1 SlashSero 2018-05-04
This is a self-reported study so not really accurate for embarrassing things like this, it wouldn't surprise me if in reality it was about two times as high for men. Looking around in a college classroom I can safely say that 80% of the guys are not having or going to have sex any time soon.
1 deadmedium 2018-05-04
despite the fact that its self reported, the fact that its even that high speaks to how severe the problem is -_-
men will generally not be honest regarding something as shameful as not having sex.
1 KingAliReshad 2018-05-04
There is a MGTOW video about social media, the guy says that social media made it possible for top 80% of women to have access to top 20% of men.
1 i_have_failed 2018-05-04
Rising beauty standards due to dating apps is to blame, I really wish we could get some sort of "anti-bodyshaming" thing going for men but I'll doubt it'll ever happen. America/the west will probably end up like Korea where people are hyperfocused on looks and 20% of the population gets plastic surgery
1 deadmedium 2018-05-04
"anti-bodyshaming"
that will do nothing. do you think all the "body positivity"/"fat acceptance" movements have done anything for feminists?
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-05-04
The same feminists who push "body positivity" and "healthy at any size" just want ripped Chads anyway.
1 MarcusBrooklyn 2018-05-04
Guy admitted in comments that the results are not statistically significant.
1 Dingus_Incel 2018-05-04
Feminists gave us this.
1 Fadezzzz 2018-05-04
Women's standards get higher and higher.
1 Westcoastincel 2018-05-04
women choose to be celibate but men do not
1 El_Tigrex 2018-05-04
I would really like to see 22-28 data. Data from older ages decreases the unmarried number since women get desperate and settle down due to losing Chad wars. I bet the number is even higher if you go to younger guys.
1 the_dick_pickler 2018-05-04
I'm curious about something. Why are women seen as desperate for losing Chad wars, but men aren't seen as desperate for losing Stacey wars? Like if the guys that get selected in second place after the top Chads are known as betacucks, what are the Staceys that come in second called? Do Staceys married happily to Chads stay Stacey?
1 El_Tigrex 2018-05-04
Stacey wars takes the form of nice guys pining over girls way out of their league and showering them with gifts, dates, etc with the girl having no intention of putting out. They are 100% seen as pathetic.
1 the_dick_pickler 2018-05-04
Does Chad ever get married?
1 El_Tigrex 2018-05-04
If he wants to. And yes, if a guy showers a girl in gifts and then she marries Chad he is a loser. Everyone knows this.
1 the_dick_pickler 2018-05-04
In this system, what is the benefit of women ever bothering with any man other than Chad until she is over 25? Seems like she should spend all her resources becoming someone beautiful and brilliant enough to win a Chad, and have fun with them until she's considered used up anyway. Then she can be with a man who wants to spend his life with her because he didn't deserve a top tier woman anyway, but he's willing to do what it takes to get laid. Then you guys are SOL because no woman wants a guy that thinks she's used up, and you don't want them. Isn't this mythology kind of a lose-lose situation for you? If you believe this, then you're actually done with dating the second you realize you aren't a Chad, and don't want to be a beta. Why go through all this misery worrying about something your own logic says isn't possible?
1 El_Tigrex 2018-05-04
There is no reason for women not to do this but men who cannot be Chad still have sex drives so we can't just "not go through the misery", that is the entire problem. There is no moral solution and that's not really what this sub is for.
1 the_dick_pickler 2018-05-04
So why all the hate for beta males? If you can't be Chad, why not beta? You could also subvert your sex drive into work. Buddhists have been doing that for millenia. Suffering is caused by unrealistic expectations etc.
Why is there no moral solution? An immoral solution certaintly isn't an option.
What is thus sub for? Is it for validation?
1 CommonMisspellingBot 2018-05-04
Hey, the_dick_pickler, just a quick heads-up:
millenia is actually spelled millennia. You can remember it by double l, double n.
Have a nice day!
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1 the_dick_pickler 2018-05-04
Delete
1 AltruisticWill 2018-05-04
Until their 25th birthday. At 25 all women become old wenches and hags. Alternative titles are: grandma, christmas cake (japan), old lady, retirement home resident.
1 the_dick_pickler 2018-05-04
Lol Christmas cake.
1 fatchancebud 2018-05-04
Obama was extra bad for incels according to this chart
1 Juggernaut_is_here 2018-05-04
Android Smartphones like better quality Samsung Galaxies hitting the marker..they and HTCs were significantly cheaper than Iphones, opening up smartphone ownership to millions more
1 Juggernaut_is_here 2018-05-04
Lolz at 1990..more female celibates than male ones
1 womenshouldnotvote 2018-05-04
genetic cleansing is real
1 PvtJamesRyan 2018-05-04
Credits to the Twitter normie who did/published? this research. RIP to 2018 society that such information needed some twitterer to obtain, what happened to those thousands of other scientists out there?
1 Plague-Lord 2018-05-04
Hypergamy is a disease, and incels are the casualties of it. Foids would rather be Chad's sidepiece than have a monogamous relationship with their looksmatch.
1 Everytimeithinkimout 2018-05-04
You are insane
1 Plague-Lord 2018-05-04
nope. The numbers don't lie: the only people being left out of the equation and bottom tier men, which means means average and below women are more willing to abstain or be a side-chick for Chad than date a low tier male. You are insane if you think this isn't a growing problem.
1 Everytimeithinkimout 2018-05-04
Bullshit data
Category errors
Delusions
1 retarded_dumbshit 2018-05-04
LalalalS
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-04
The guy who did the research isn't even an incel, you babbling moron.
1 Everytimeithinkimout 2018-05-04
Doesn't matter. Cherrypicking. Which is ironic in present company right?
1 EverythingIsSoSincur 2018-05-04
It's not bullshit data. You just want it to be because it doesn't say what you want it to.
1 firmiiiiiip 2018-05-04
just lol that normies think this is sustainable hahaha. millions upon millions of alienated young men, truly a recipe for good outcomes!
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-05-04
That won't lead to a war!
1 Mrplum 2018-05-04
As a stock marketcel, is there anyway I can by call options on the % of men in this category continuing to skyrocket?
1 YouAreWrongKid 2018-05-04
Wonder how SJWs and feminists will explain these statistics?
1 jewishsupremacist88 2018-05-04
wish i was in my 20s in the late 80s
1 anex98 2018-05-04
My pure body means nothing.
1 oneredguy 2018-05-04
Post the study please
1 doobscoop 2018-05-04
Do some more drugs you sad shits
1 asdlkjpoiqwer0981234 2018-05-04
Pornhub is by far the most popular site to go to for consumption. It's also much easier for the average Joe to access copious amounts of porn now than it was in the 2000s. Financial crisis could be a factor if a lot of men needed to pitch themselves as the dependable type for dates.
1 Everytimeithinkimout 2018-05-04
Doesn't matter. Cherrypicking. Which is ironic in present company right?