IT on suicide watch

People have been saying it's attention + personality for a long time. The key is that people find others more attractive the longer they know them.

Incels don't have the looks needed to get in the door, so personality doesn't really matter much.

I agree, if you have the looks, personality can help. But there are women who like douchebags, thugs, serial killers, etc.

The only thing that is universal is that they want attractive guys.

It's true that some women make questionable choices. However, I don't think looks are the only reason that some guys have trouble dating. Some have no issues with their looks -- they're not Chads, but they're normal guys. But when you're shy and have low self esteem, it makes dating more difficult.

I'm not attractive but I've managed to always have a girlfriend. Hot chicks, too.

Yep. Incels not only can't pay the cover charge, we're not even attractive enough to be allowed in the building!

how can they get to know me if they ignore me 100% of the time

What types of settings are you meeting girls in?

any possible setting you can think of I have tried

Looks gets your foot in the door, but personality keeps you in the room. However, you need to be above a certain threshold lookswise, to get your foot in that door.

At least 3/10?

You need to be at least 5-6/10 to get your foot in the door. You can be uglier if you find a unicorn.

Or if you live in the middle of nowhere. Proximity is also a powerful force in attraction.

If you look like you got it good,status,money you might get by with 3-4

give credit to brad pitt (he said that in a 90s interview)

He did? I didn't know about that. I have just always thought about it this way.

no one cares

Tupac cares, if don't nobody else care.

The key is that people find others more attractive the longer they know them.

Source?

Wait, are you saying that a woman caring about looks at all is blackpill?

Not really, but according to many IT members looks aren't even a factor into peoples decision on dating.

Dude dont remind me lol. That first game was rough. If they dont get it together soon theyll get swept. Every other series is crazy though. Utah is so surprising and exciting.

If they do I'm avoiding r/nba for like a year.

Don't do that. There are plenty of other sports to watch. Jays are looking good so far and hockey playoffs have been crazy so far.

So you watch the game of zones show that Bleacher report puts out? They are really funny packed with nba jokes.

I mean that’s nuts. I thought the idea that women didn’t care about looks at all was just some pua shit to sell books

I guess it is not exclusive to them. They constantly post stuff saying "looks don't matter", "women don't care about looks" etc. My favourite one is "looks only matter in the beginning" like oh so we can never begin good to know.

Girls don’t get as much social status from having a good looking boyfriend as vice versa so they only care about looks to the extent that they want to be attracted to their partner. Whereas dudes want the status so they go after the model even if they aren’t really more attracted.

and on the looks only matter in the beginning thing: so go to the gym every day, get a hot girlfriend, marry her, then eat all the ice cream

I don't agree with your first statement. At least in my personal experience I don't care what others think of a womens looks as long as I like them. I don't know any men who are chasing status much less chasing status by dating a hot girl.

and on the looks only matter in the beginning thing: so go to the gym every day, get a hot girlfriend, marry her, then eat all the ice cream

What you described is a toxic relationship that ends in a dead bedroom. You should work out because you enjoy it not to get women.

I mean, not everyone is gonna feel that pressure but it’s pretty widespread. Look at r/seduction and all the pua shit where they keep talking about 9s and 10s and models and bottles

On the second point I was joking... mostly

I had a feeling you were but you can never tell online.

Yeah fair

It would be more accurate to say what women are attracted to is pretty nebulous outside of some superficial level stuff. Looks always mean something but the rest...good luck trying to nail it down.

looks + personality= GigaChad

looks + no personality= Chad

no looks + personality= incel

no looks + no personality= Elliot Rodgers

Lmaooo take my upvote you genetic garbage you

you genetic garbage you

Somehow, just somehow, this still felt endearing. Incel culture is amazing.

What are you talking about. Don't you know ER was a supreme gentlemen. His personality was as good as it gets.

ER had the looks though

The looks of an incel

He was cute. His looks were never the problem, but being a complete psychopath was

More like no looks + absolutely boring, creepy and bitter personality = uncle

Maybe in real life, but definitely not here.

[–]subhumanforever 13 pontos 6 hours ago By not being a gullible retard such as yourself.

[–]sipuliina 0 pontos 4 hours ago Well, turns out I'm not a woman anymore!

I'm only texting one guy regularly and I'm not even trying to hit on him, we're friends since 6 years olds.

[–]subhumanforever 8 pontos 4 hours ago Sure, slut.

[–]Hopecel Blackpill Dealer 3 pontos 3 hours ago You are a girl, just a very special one. You are an unicorn and not like other girls. TEEHEE.

[–]Dellarie 4 pontos 6 hours ago

women

people

That's where you're wrong.

[–]escapetheinceldom 6'4'' BIG OGRE 8 pontos 6 hours ago All women are evil whores.

Such engaging personalities.

I would agree with this image. Except that people have different preferences and would see different people as more or less attractive because of that. Plus you get better looking to people if they like your personality, though I acknowledge that most of you may have trouble getting your foot in the door for that one to kick in.

I agree that it would be a lot more difficult for all of you, but with all the different preferences possible I find it hard to believe there’s nobody who would find you attractive enough? I guess that doesn’t really help you at all though unless you can actually find them...

The "difference preferences" is a cope everyone uses to feel better about the lives of others. Sometimes it's better to accept bleak truths rather than deny the another person's life experience.

...except people literally do have different preferences. I get that there are things that are universally worse, like acne, but people prefer different things. I have two female friends, and between the three of us we give three different ratings to the same dude. Sometimes the ratings are closer than others, but my roommate has told me she gives my boyfriend a 5 while I give him a 9.

I'm sure I personally would get a unanimous 3 from all three of you. 4 if one of you is feeling generous. I'm talking beyond the scope of preferences. Imagine attractiveness as several concentric circles overlapping each other. Those at the center are conventionally and supremely good-looking. Those on the fringes of the last circle are idiosyncratic preferences. Outside of those circles is where a looks-maxxed incel falls.

That makes sense actually. That’s a really good explanation. But are you sure you aren’t undervaluing yourself a bit? I know I have a skewed perception of what I look like due to self esteem issues and it’s the same with my friend who has major depression. Sometimes people post pictures of guys that just look average but they call them incels. I’m not saying everyone here is incorrect, but some of you could be misjudging yourselves, no?

Many here definitely are. People tend to overestimate their flaws but I've stopped doing that (no longer hate my looks but I acknowledge I'm unattractive). No, I'm not certainly not exaggerating. If a 1-10 scale exists, 3s most definitely exist.

Take an average face (5). Add a large and protruding forehead, an overbite and make him bald. He's now a 4. Add a scattering of facial scars. He's now a 3. That's me.

Hmm. Well I see your point. I do know there are 1s and 2s and 3s, certainly. Scale wouldn’t make sense otherwise.

But I’m sorry for your predicament. I’m a butterface myself, definitely. I’ve got the damn chipmunk cheeks I’ll never grow out of, and acne I’ll apparently also never grow out of. That and my big mouth. But I’ve had people tell me I’m attractive “enough,” so I guess that means enough to find a person willing to look at me daily and not stray even given the opportunity.

If it helps, I’ve got one friend who’s dating a short bald guy and she’s crazy attracted to him. And my boyfriend honestly has the Neanderthal browbone and gigantic forehead, but I still give him a 9. I get that it’s usually a combination of things that’s the problem so I’m sorry about that. But I really hope you find someone. You seem like a good guy. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

The scars I can clear up if dermabrasion works. The overbite too. Balding, I somehow pull off decently since I'm black. All in all, I think I can hit a 5 with enough non-invasive cosmetic work. Still, I appreciate your empathy.

I haven't given up on finding a gf, even if the above measures don't work out. However I'm willing to face the possibility that I may never find someone. I think that's essential to never allowing your predicament to change who you are. I don't want to be some bitter 40-year old man, I just want to me a good man who sadly can't relate to someone that is apparently a massive part of people's lives.

I really like that you haven’t let your predicament change you. And I sincerely hope whatever changes you want to make work out for you. You certainly are deserving of love.

Sad truth is, no one deserves anything. I appreciate the sentiment nonetheless, but trust me, thinking I'm deserving of anything is a dangerous school of thought. I think we'd all be happier if we came to terms with that from a young age.

I tend to think of entitlement and deserving as having two different connotations. Entitlement is when people feel they have a right to something just because they exist, but deserving to me seems more like a judgment from some kind of moralistic standpoint. I don’t believe in karma, nor do I know of any absolute truth, but people who are open-minded and kind I do think deserve things. Not necessarily things from someone else specifically, but things in general.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, if only we could convince that old bitch Mother Nature.

I’ll drink to that

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I posted something like this yesterday,that a normie herself was posting black pill meme,they don't even realize it,it's everywhere

Looks aren't the only attractive thing, btw.

She later reiterates that she is indeed referring to looks.

Well I find men in leather goods attractive, so who cares about the face as long as they wear one?

Fucking dropped.

Wait of course looks matter to an extent, but not all of you are absolutely butt ugly

Lmaooo take my upvote you genetic garbage you

Tupac cares, if don't nobody else care.

What are you talking about. Don't you know ER was a supreme gentlemen. His personality was as good as it gets.

ER had the looks though

More like no looks + absolutely boring, creepy and bitter personality = uncle

I'm sure I personally would get a unanimous 3 from all three of you. 4 if one of you is feeling generous. I'm talking beyond the scope of preferences. Imagine attractiveness as several concentric circles overlapping each other. Those at the center are conventionally and supremely good-looking. Those on the fringes of the last circle are idiosyncratic preferences. Outside of those circles is where a looks-maxxed incel falls.

Maybe in real life, but definitely not here.