True. Women don’t care if they have to share chad or if they get an std, they are degenerates

If women are degenerates why do you want to fuck them so badly?

Primal urge to have sex you moron, it's one of most important psychological needs just behind having food, water, air to breather, have shelter and belong to community (having friends). We were born to the world to have sex and have kids to spread our genes.

Why not bang another incel?

i'm not a faggot like you

Women are degenerates, right? Why not help your fellow cels out?

Women are degenerates by nature*, but it doesn't change a thing i still would want to have sex with them.

Why not help your fellow cels out?

Like i said i'm not gay.

I have prepared few blackpills for ya, all from studies about why women sometimes can't achieve orgasm to ugly males and fake it and then cheat with chads: * http://putslab.la.psu.edu/documents/Puts%20et%20al.%20EHB%202012-1.pdf

We extended the findings of Thornhill et al. (1995) and Shackelford et al. (2000), testing the Sexy Sons Hypothesis in a context in which women may selectively retain the sperm of men with good genes, by using women’s perception of how other women assess their partner’s attractiveness. The results are consistent with Hypotheses 1 and 2, and indicate that perception of other women’s assessments of their partner’s attractiveness predicts female copulatory orgasm, even after controlling for age and relationship duration and satisfaction (although relationship satisfaction also predicts female copulatory orgasm).

• http://www.toddkshackelford.com/downloads/Sela-Weekes-Shackelford-Shackelford-Pham-PAID-2015.pdf

Women’s copulatory orgasm may function to retain sperm from men with ‘‘good genes’’, one indicator of which is attractiveness, and one benefit of which is pathogen resistance. Women who perceive their partner to be more (vs. less) attractive are more likely to report orgasm at last copulation.

Didn't need a study to tell me that something I find hot will make me orgasm faster. But that study doesn't claim 100% accuracy nor is it peer-reviewed and published.

Sometimes doesn't equal always. I've seen incels claim that big cocks are all women need too. Furthermore, doesn't address the perception of attraction and how it varies from woman to woman even circle to circle.

wait so if incels think that women are worthless besides in bed and bring up the point that women will only cum from fucking hot men, then wtf do u think your chances are then? 😂 you want to get into bed with a women just so she can laugh at your inability to make her cum? that’s seriously what will make you feel better about your masculinity? assholes are a lot tighter naturally, so maybe incels should look to explore the male body since the dude will still love that small cock

Maybe they should. Would be nice when we get incelception, when lower tier incels complain about higher tier incels only having sex with a certain group of incels. Well less nice and more funny.

Lol trying to go for gussy when bussy is the best hole in this world, what a retard.

It may be a primal urge, but incels are being eliminated from the breeding pool due to natural selection. The human species made incels as a mistake. This is just the ship righting it's course. If incels bred, there would inherently be more incels. Women are doing a great job by not letting that happen.

Doesn't really make sense since women carry a lot of incel genes like short height, lack of jawlines, thinning hair, etc, yet they still breed. You can't apply this line of reasoning to men alone you moron.

Incel genes are all mental... sure, you may be an ugly fucking troll, but that hasn't stopped similar guys from smashing tons of ass. Most incels are just terrible, hateful, mentally challenged fucktards. A woman will fuck a guy with a good personality way before a man would do the same.

Oh so you're just delusional and uneducated.

sperm banks you faggot cuck soyboi

What? Women spread shitty genes because they are the selectors and they bring whatever disgusting traits they have into the gene pool. Ugly, short, obese, weak, stupid women all get to breed. Men who are even slightly off don't get to do so.

Lol you sure about that? You ever walk out into fucking public? Literally everyone is fucking regardless of their looks. It's the mental disability that incels carry that scares women away.

How do women perceive mental disabilities just by looking at incels for a few seconds? How is it possible for a woman to judge a male’s misogyny from a glance at his face?

They don't. That's why regular fat ugly dudes can still catch ass every once in a while. The woman notices the "incel" once they interact with them. Incels are usually weird, socially awkward, scheming spazzes. That's what makes them unfuckable.

If incels bred, there would inherently be more incels.

If incels bred they wouldn't be incels by definition.

Incels aren't exactly thinkers, huh?

He's not an incel.

Well whatever he is he needs to turn his brain on

If we were to take natural selection as a rule the Toronto attack wouldn't be a crime, considering "muh natural selection" stance the dude was eliminating those who were unable to avoid the van, thus improving the gene pool.

If Chad gets shanked that's just natural selection, bruh 😎😎

You fucking dumbasss

Natural selection is why you won't procreate. Which is great for society.

Lol, why are you mad bruh? That's just natural selection, those Syrians that died in chemical attack won't drag us down with their vulnerability to chemical weapons.

Nothing personnel, kid 😎😎

Before some easily triggered cunt sees this i'm saying that using using natural selection as an argument in the modern world is retarded, now we have the medical knowledge and techniques to prevent deaths that would happen because "muh natural selection", we made rape and marital rape a crime because of the conseauences, even though people reproduced that way before.

Natural selection has no place in modern society, unless you approve of eugenics, the abolishment of welfare and sterilization of the poor (they need welfare to survive, that goes against natural selection, kiddo)

Who's mad? I'm just saying it's probably a good thing you're not going to have kids.

Nature have millions of years to eliminate ugly people via not letting ugly males procreate....Meanwhile it let ugly females procreate and spread their deficient genes, i don't know but nature have failed and will still continue to fail.

Again... its not about ugly. Ugly still fucks. Its the mentally handicapped that don't. And guys are ridiculous... they'll still fuck a mentally handicapped girl. Doesn't work the other way.

Ugly still fucks

Yeah it seems like for normies plain 5/10 is their definition of "ugly" ALWAYS when they post there "looks at this ugly fuck with a hot gf incels btfo" is always some average white dude.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8engd4/attractiveness_is_subjective/ yeah i suppose the dude on the rigth have sex every friday rigth? because my nose looks similar to him.

There's a show on TLC about a midget family. The little ugly midget son is banging a fairly good looking regular sized girl. He is uglier than the guy in that picture. I bet he's a pretty good dude though. Didn't sit in his basement crying, he went out, like a normal person... talked to a girl, like a normal person... And behold! He is getting lots of ass... like a normal person. Like I said... "incel" is a mental retardation.

You are clearly desillusional, the reason of why he was in TV in the first place is because is an exception to the rule, 1/100, the majority of those males die virgins.

Sounds like you're the delusional one here bud lol. Be mad while ugly midgets steal your girl.

you do know that beauty standards change with time right? oh no, you don't, otherwise you wouldn't say such a dumb thing...

Defined Jawline, good eye area and NOT fucked up features are universally attractive features.

Incels aren't here because their incel ancestors had partners

The next generation will not be related to us in anyway but there will still be incels

I don't know about that... women's rights are still fairly new. In the past, they could have been forced to be with an incel due to family pressure, religious customs, or they were isolated enough that there was just a lack of choice. That artificially stunted natural selection. Nowadays, "incels", being mentally handicapped, probably shouldn't be encouraged to procreate. And women understand this by nature.

What I'm saying is every generation has ugly people. Every generation will have incels and it doesn't require incels passing on their genes

Ugly people still fuck. Incels are mentally handicapped, that's the issue.

Jesus it's like you're not even reading anything I write

I am. Your logic doesn't make sense, so I am ignoring it. Ugly does not equal incel. Incel comes from mental retardation.

I literally said every generation has ugly people so of course ugly people fuck

I just stated every generation has incels

Only the strong have that privilege, you do not.

Sounds like we have a rape advocate over here.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Only those with strong and desirable genetics have that right, you do not.

Then why not try to actually be desirable as a sexual partener?

you can't fix your genes, you can lookmaxxx but it will get you only so far (you can't improve height or whole skull)

Well if your overweight, lose weight. Got acne? Treat it, get a hair cut, dress nicer... If your a self loathing creep, then nothing will get you laid though. You can absolutely got from a 1 to a 5 or 5 to an 8.

Are you retarded? Do you not have any idea what a 1/10 even looks like? You can't make jumps as big as like 1-5 or 5-8 without surgeries.

Yes... You can.

tfw any of these people can just lose weight, treat their acne, get a hair cut and dress nicer and they'll be average in looks

So a few extreme genetic mutations, and a shit load of Photoshop are your examples? Are you dense?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8gp8aw/black_pill_females_would_rather_be_chads_sexual/dye2sl9/

Apparently you don't

So you decide to use a Vietnamese person with mutated genes from the effects of Agent Orange as your incel mascot? That's kinda fucked up. I'm pretty sure that person has much bigger problems in their life than not getting laid.

Don't try to shift the goalpost, all I'm saying is that saying you can jump from to 1-5 is unrealistic and even 5-8 isn't very likely without surgery.

If it’s a primal urge then why are you mad about women fucking? It’s a primal urge as well.

What are you talking about, women don't enjoy having sex at all and they just want Chad's babies, take it from all these people that have never had sex with a woman that clearly know what they're talking about 🙄

Fuck off retard

Let's say you hate eating meat.

You're dying of starvation and your only choice is a big juicy steak. Do you eat it?

Your answer is what you're looking for

Yeah fuck off retard, only women who don't want to touch incels are degenerates, aka all of them, duh. /s

Sex is a human N-E-E-D.

You don’t require it to survive, therefore it’s not need just a want ;)

Quality of life and survival isn't the same, maybe if you had enough neurons to form a single synapse you'd understand this.

What happens if you don’t have sex? What makes it a need?

Your quality of life is lowered, as I wrote in my previous post. Saying it's a need would imply that it's necessary for survival, which I didn't say.

Air conditioning isn't a need if you live in a temperate climate, and you wont die when its hot outside, but it certainly improves your quality of life.

So then it’s not a need... where’s the confusion here?

It's as much of a need as shelter is. It is an absolute must to maintain good health, especially through your 30s and 40s

The physical health benefits to having sex are numerous, but that's nothing compared to the mental health benefits (in which it is 100% an absolute must to maintain mental health).

If you want to get technical, nobody needs to be healthy and nobody needs to be alive.

Just masturbate. That should do the trick.

Once again proving your ignorance.

It doesn't. Not even for the physical health benefits, certainly not for the emotional ones. This has been well documented in numerous studies already.

So you’re entitled to sex?

We wanted love and they let us down, even the normans like me...

Better forgotten than hated...

But why on earth would we even want to talk to someone who hates us? Let alone sleep with them.

You can ask any women if she has ever slept with someone who has called her a „dumb roastie“. The answer will be no. We don’t like people who hate us, no matter what they look like.

Nope. No they don’t. Obviously, you think you know what women are like and what they want, so there is no point in arguing with you about that. Fact is, „Chad“ is a made up concept that incels created, to have someone to blame for their own problems. And that 50 shades argument is ridiculous, considering that most women didn’t even read it.

Tbh I don’t even really care if you hate me or not, because your bias against women doesn’t affect me one bit. All I am saying is that people in general don’t like being around people who hate them. Obviously, i can’t speak for all women, but for the vast majority, including myself, hatred towards women is a major no.

What does chad even mean to you? If it’s just someone who is really good looking, Chad would still be something else to every woman, because every women has individual preferences. Of course, on sites like tinder looks are important. Yet, there are things that are more important, like not hating us.

Because you say so? You must know everything then. WTF is ladyboners?

What kind of women do you see in movies. They are all „Stacies“ as you call them. Does that mean that all men only want Stacies?

I can’t tell because I do not „Jack off“ as you put it. But most girls I know had/ have massive crushes on celebrities/ fictional characters that could never be considered chad-like. And it’s not because of their fame and status either, because that would only serve them if they actually dated the celebrity they are crushing on.

I know at least five women who jack off to Dany DeVito. They legit think he is the sexiest man alive.

As a Chad in certain situations and as someone who honestly does hate everyone I can in fact confirm that I do hate woman as well due to the humanity and all of that emotion I don't really get it and it usually just pisses me off. I dated this chick for a couple months, I kept at it with my fuck buddies, broke up with her, got back together because she tried to kill herself, broke up with her again when her Grandpa died and I fuck her to this very day you Incel FatBodies.

You can be hot and get away with more things. I know it sucks, but it’s how it works. Complaining about it isn’t going to do a fucking thing.

You think Chad wouldn't despise you if you ever came to him with your non-sexual needs?

I don’t really know much about your made up „Chad“ concept, but whether he hates me or not is irrelevant to me, because I am about as interested in him as I am in people who label themselves „incel“

Do you assign different moral values to having NSA sex with different sexually attractive but non-committal men and forming a long-lasting, loving relationship with an unattractive man?

I don’t think this is a question of morality, but of individual preferences. Women don’t choose their partners in order to do someone a favor, but according to what they want. So do men.

Marketing departments earn billions by being able to predict human behaviour in the aggregate. If men see enough women being dishonest about their pasts, or engaging in deceitful behaviour, what's wrong with them warning each others about the financial implications of certain marital decisions? Do you believe men should not be able to give advice to other men?

Certain men can tell each other whatever crap they want about women. And I can choose to avoid them because of it.

Do you believe all women are angels who would never stab someone in the back? What advice would you give a younger brother or male cousin when they enter the 'dating market'? Do you believe there are any red flags that men should be vigilant to spot?

I actually have a young brother and I assure you, he doesn’t need my advice in spotting red flags. He’s not the type of person who would look past dangerous behavior from girls because he likes them.

Unfortunately there are many young men who could really use someone's help. Could you describe some dangerous behaviour for them?

Well if someone is excessively jealous and tries to isolate you from your family/ friends. Also if someone goes through your stuff without permission. That’s what the ex girlfriend of one of my male friends did and she ended up breaking into his house and threatening him. People who are extremely possessive/ controlling/ clingy often become way worse during a relationship. But that’s one of the more obvious ones.

Another one is when a partner thinks violence against men is funny/ acceptable. Sadly, there are lots of people who think that way and if a girl doesn’t take domestic violence seriously, she most likely isn’t the right one to date.

Then someone who acts entitled. For example girls who refuse to pay for their own food on dates. Of course, it isn’t necessary to always share the bill, but it should be somewhat balanced. I have met several girls who would take advantage of guys in that way and most of their relationships didn’t end well.

That’s just a few, but there are more. If you are constantly walking on eggshells around her, if she makes you jealous on purpose, if she tries to manipulate you, if she makes fun of you (especially in front of other people), if she gaslights you, ...

That ended up being longer than I expected... Sorry for that..

who would look past dangerous behavior from girls because he likes them.

Oh, so he's self-destructive and in need of psychological assistence?

I said who is not the type of person who does that. Why did you cut out the „not“

Because that's how you initially wrote that and I haven't updated the page prior to sending this.

I'll admit I generally (though not always) don't give much time to men who do not immediately trigger physical attraction in me. A less physically appealing man has a much smaller window for making himself interesting, after which, he can follow my lead if he seems faster than I like, or I'll follow his if he wants to go even slower than I do. The window is smaller, but it is open. If he manages to get past my instinctive defensiveness, any man, regardless of his initial physical appeal, becomes all the more alluring. No, like anyone else with self esteem as well as respect for others, I'm not gonna fuck anyone I'm not at all attracted to. I feel genuine lust for all partners and playmates.

It's also true that my standards are lower for a playmate than for a partner. I am generally attracted to chubby men with square jaws, brown eyes, clear skin, and strong bodies with thick legs. In my late thirties, I do prefer experience, and since I have no children, and no desire to bear any, him already having children (and full custody of them) is a plus (if he's a potential partner), unless their birth mother is a lunatic. If he's a potential playmate, him having children is a negative, as he won't be as available for fun. Whether for fun, or for life, I prefer nerds and geeks. Otherwise, we have nothing to discuss. I prefer he have a creative bent, something I can appreciate, and I want him to appreciate my sugar sculptures and paintings. It's nice if we can sing together. I rarely meet men who will sing with me. I like a man who is socially liberal, and fiscally conservative, but not to the point of thinking of social services like SSI as entitlements. I tend to meet middle class, ethnic people like me, but I don't mind a man who is still growing his garden, as long as he has a green thumb. I require a calm, patient temperament, because I am not calm and patient, and my personality means my life partner has to be a good foil. I respond to kindness, as long as it is genuine. If it begins to seem like an act, or like it is actually transactional, I'm out. My standards for playmate vs partner are similar, but I don't have to get along perfectly with a playmate, and I don't care about his relationships with his family or other women, so long as he doesn't seem to have veiled hatred for women.

Have I made mistakes? Sure. Who hasn't? I gave my heart to a closeted homosexual, and to a sociopath, and to a cheater, and, when I was very young, naively to a man who was emotionally unavailable. I learned a lot from these mistakes with commitment. Other than the sociopath, I have remained (or eventually became) on friendly terms with past loves, and while they proved not to be right for me, I do think they are right for someone.

I do not apologize for promiscuity. I do not apologize for hitting the genetic jackpot in terms of conventional beauty and aptitude. I play the game of Life with the cards I was dealt, and I was dealt a decent hand. I recognize my privilege, and try not to squander it.

That's background information, to put context to my response to this thread.

I think the term "Chad" is dehumanizing, and not useful. However, the men with whom I have or have had casual sexual friendships are all willing to help me. Need help troubleshooting a plumbing problem? No problem, one is on the way. Afraid of heights, can't fix the gutter? No problem. Stranded, and need someone to let my dogs out because I can't get home? No biggie. Stalker? Asswhipping. Deadbeat won't pay what I'm owed? Asswhipping and payment. Want company for a long drive? Done. Nervous about changing my own alternator for the first time in decades, and want a babysitter? Handled! Why? Because I always choose men who are kind, and who actually want to be my friend, first and foremost, and the sexual chemistry and interaction are the icing on a lovely, rounded cake. Also, because the loyalty earned through friendship with me means they know I'll reciprocate. They know I'm ride-or-die, and I'll always have their backs too.

That goes triple for a partner.

So youre an old whore. Gotcha.

This is why you can't find love, companionship, nor sex. I'm not old, and I'm not for sale. Don't be angry with me because I wouldn't want to associate with the likes of you. Like anyone else, I'm just getting through each day, and learning about life, myself, and others. I don't make excuses and blame others for whatever I lack. I just find another way and get what I want out of life. I know how to make real friends, and garner loyalty and trust. Do you? No. All you know how to do is whinge like a crybaby. I'm not indulging the tears of anyone over the age of 8. Go upstairs and find your mother for that.

To re-direct, in my experience, friends with whom I've had sex can be counted upon to listen to me when I want or need to talk, and to help with problems, whether or not we still sometimes have sex.

You'll be put in your place soon, whore.

You think you know where my place is? Laughable. Share your ridiculous notion though. What is this place in which you believe I will be put?

Reminder: I know it pains you as you'd love the pleasure and privilege of benefitting from my vast sexual experience, but I'm not for sale. Whores are women who will tolerate being under you for a price. I wouldn't be under you for any price.

> I wouldn't be under you for any price.

I doubt that tbh, every woman is a whore at heart

Honey don't try, obviously he knows so much more about what a woman wants and thinks than actual women.

"Casual sexual friendships"

It's almost like the are TRP larpers......

I wouldn't be caught dead associating with TRP anything. I shouldn't even be associating with you guys. It's almost the same to me. The only difference is most of them claim to get laid. They aren't nice men, and neither are a lot of you. (My heart bleeds a little for the ones who seem cool, if perhaps socially awkward.)

genetic jackpot of conventional beauty?

Doubt a smoking hot chick would write that many words on an incel board.

She's too busy taking IG pics of herself on a spectacular, enviable vacation someone else paid for.

My Instagram is all photos of low-carb meals beautifully plated. One selfie. Needed it for a chance to win free software, or I wouldn't have posted it. I'm told not all incels advocate violence against women, and not all of them are misogynists. I came here to see. (I'm still not convinced, other than the one gay guy I've seen.) Not all attractive people are narcissistic. I'm not claiming to be a model. But I am told I'm pretty easy on the eyes. I agree with that feedback. I have good bone structure, decent symmetry and a shapely, lean figure.

When he took me to Paris, I didn't show anyone but my besties the pictures because he was a public figure. It was the only time I allowed anyone to pay my way. I didn't accept his proposal because he was well outside my socio-economic status, and I was beginning to feel bought and paid for. I was raised by Afrocentric, feminist hippies. It made me too nervous. I did love him though.

Nah i'd rather be hated. At least i'd be remembered.

The idea that women seek emotional contact and long term stability is the biggest lie ever told. They did in the past because they needed a provider, not because it was their choice.

Females are the most selective manipulators in society. All they care about is to select the good genes. If they can pin chad to commit, that's good. If they can't, they'll just :

• Become a whore for chads her whole life and die alone.

or

• Marry betabux with one night of sex er year while cheating with chad on the side.

Femoids have no heart.

what about women who don't want children? what do they care about?

dick

and also good. fuck life.

You've never actually met a woman, apparently. And you obviously have no friends in relationships.

Because the situations you claim are the only options are actually not all that common in the real world.

What matters to women is the ends, not the means. Sure, she can be manipulative, say shit like "the past is the past, i want to settle down" and "you're different than the 60 other guys i've been with". That doesn't change the fact that the end result is a parasitic betabux relationship.

Mind you, it's not always about money. Maybe it's your house or maybe she needs emotional support for when Chad doesn't want her anymore. It's NOT because of love or her non-chad husbands personality. The only women who are happy in relationships with unattractive betas are the ones who cheat. The ones who don't get divorced.

You can claim that all you like, but observable reality and the experiences of "normies" (who drastically outnumber you) all contradict this fundamental edict of incel ideology.

Not every man gets cheated on. Most women are not desperately longing for a hotter man once they meet someone they click with. If you had any experience with women you'd know that. But instead you build an elaborate mythology to explain why other people in seemingly the same situation as you have success. Average men in relationships are actually being cheated on! Or used for resources! Love only exists for Chad.

Talk about "cope." The entire incel world view is a massive cope.

Most women have a backup man ready. I'm not attractive enough for an intimate relationship but I have attractive female & male friends. What I've noticed is that the women ALWAYS get a new partner within a week or two after a breakup. The guys usually end up alone for months, even for more than a year sometimes, after a breakup. And 80% of the time it's the women initiating the breakup. (Similarly, women initiate 70% of divorces, so I guess marriage is slightly more equal? Haha.)

The point is that backup men are always available (and god knows how many times they cheat with the backup man before breaking up with their current boyfriend). Women don't really feel bad about dumping their boyfriends and saying "NEXT!" when they get bored. Why do you think women's natural drive for polygamy changes with age, or that modern society somehow negates their natural desires?

What I've noticed is that the women ALWAYS get a new partner within a week or two after a breakup.

I haven't noticed that at all. After ending a long term relationship it usually takes at least a few months, sometimes much longer for men and women to move on. Very rarely have I seen anyone I know immediately have a backup man on the line. Not since college anyway when this stuff was way less serious and more fleeting.

(and god knows how many times they cheat with the backup man before breaking up with their current boyfriend).

No proof this is happening. Just more conjecture on your part.

Women don't really feel bad about dumping their boyfriends and saying "NEXT!" when they get bored.

No proof of this. Just more claims that women are actually heartless monsters with no regard for anything but upgrading partners.

So as usual, lots of claims that women are all branch swinging liars who don't feel bad about breaking up with lesser men. Claims that don't line up with observable reality for anyone other than incels who only see evidence for the conclusions they've already decided are true.

Yawn.

How does your anecdotal evidence hold more weight than mine? Calling it conjecture doesn't make my claims any less valid than yours. Just because your subjective experience is different doesn't mean it's the baseline for everyone else. What I've experienced when it comes to women is different than what you have experienced, and that's normal, people have different subjective experiences.

You don't HAVE to convince me that women are flawless, monogamous creatures because they aren't. Women are programmed to want genetically superior males. That's why they are more attracted to burly, tall, hairy men during ovulation, it's what their primal desire is, a genetically superior man.

If what you say is true, could you explain to me why are there lesbians?

Thanks

The study is about heterosexual women which are the majority of women. Lesbians are outliers.

I bet you felt really smart bringing them up though.

To add further proof to my claims, women's happiness wanes the longer a relationship lasts..

Physical attraction is the biggest factor in reported female orgasm frequency.

Looks overwrite personality traits

I look forward to your reply and the evidence you will provide, until then it is your view that does not align with observable reality.

Feel free to call me a faggot and block me though, I know the thought of your just world fantasy being disproved makes you boil with rage.

I don't bother providing evidence to incels anymore. I just get called a cuck when I actually take the time to find researched counterpoints.

I will say that a few specific pieces of research that imply behaviors under specific circumstances cannot account for the variety of behavior we see in humans. You will point to one study, ignore the limited nature of what the results actually suggest, ignore the speculative nature of some of the conclusions, ignore the other possible interpretations of the data, then you will claim it is absolute proof that the nature of women is exactly as you say. Thats why the same 5 or so studies get posted over and over again.

Meanwhile, average men are entering in to new relationships every day, not getting cucked at every turn, and bot experiencing any of the problems that incels screech are nearly universal.

"What I've noticed is that the women ALWAYS get a new partner within a week or two after a breakup."

That really depends on the woman, a lot of females are serial monogamous, hopping from one dude to the next, and never single longer than a few days. More often than not, that is how my female friends are. Especially this one rostie. She was the type that would only hang out with only the guys in our clique. Would say red flag phrases such as: "women are too much drama", and the classic "I don't have female friends." NEVER date a woman that says these lines, or does not have same gender friends, they are the biggest sluts out there.

She always had the same M.O, where she'ed hook up with one of the guys in our social circle. They would after a few days start dating. During the first few months she'd start to control what her new bf did, wore, and who he hanged out with. By the year point, after she had the guy pussy whipped, she's get bored. Then, she's start drama with the guy, generally going at him about what ever he refused to change about himself.

That's always the point, she starts to complain to another guy in our group about her current bf. It's at this point she starts to fall in love with, and if the new male was onto her, she'd dump her bf for the new guy. Then we were not allowed to hang out with him anymore, because she'd make it super awkward. OH, and to top it off, she'd but her fat face into other people's relationships. Especially mine and her best friends, because she wanted to sleep with our bf's. She would try to start drama, by talking shit behind my back, while pretending to be my friend. Would create rumors, gossip, and would do anything to make me look bad in front of our friends.

Moral of the story, don't trust no hoe,

Sounds like one specific woman. I'd never deny that there are individual women with particular habits like this. But I don't think it's a universal trait. Because I know quite a few women who don't act like that. So it can't be universal.

The problem with incels is they claim universal rules from anecdotal evidence. And they don't accept nuance.

Thus why I added in the red flag behavior. Not all will be like her, but I have seen many toxic women like her. This type of women have a lot of the same traits. There are other kinds of toxic female archetypes, as well as the red flag behavior.

The thing is, since 3rd wave feminism has become main stream, some of these behaviors have become glorified.

I see your name on here a ton. I'm just curious what do you get out of being here arguing with incels?

What do you think you're accomplishing or what kind of gratification do you get from it? Do you think you are helping anyone, or do you think you are fighting the forces of evil etc?

You probably won't save anyone and a tiny community of virgin losers on reddit are inarguably very low on the list of threats to humanity. It's not as if I've never argued with a community online in my life so I get the mentality in general. But what motivates you personally to post here so much? It seems to be your only reddit activity.

Not an incel.

I don't feel the need to explain my motives, thanks.

Why not though? What repercussions will you face for telling us? I mean this is the internet and there is probably no real way of tracing it back to you anyways so I don't see why you can't just provide us with an answer.

Chads are Genghis Khan

Total honesty here: For me, it depends on what I am looking for at the time. If it's just a hookup, then some random hot guy will work. If it's an actual relationship, then looks matter a LOT less to me. I've said for years that everyone is ugly when they're 80, so you better have something good to talk about. I met my boyfriend 2 years ago, and he was a 27 year old virgin with no relationship experience. There has been a big learning curve for him, and that's ok because I understand that we all don't have the same life experiences at the same time.

I still hold out hope that most of you will find someone. Trying to find a mate fucking sucks, it's exhausting, and it's hard work. Most times we don't get what we want when we want it, but I hope you don't give up.

Not really. I learned everything I know from relationships where we learned together. Chad's are guys that you use as much as they use you.

Ugh, fuckboys. You are right about that.

Actually, we have had that conversation. He knows about my past. He knows that I chose to be with him out of everyone I dated. He wasn't the smartest, funniest, hottest, richest, etc. He was just the best fit for me. This is why I think that you shouldn't give up, because you're probably a good fit for a girl out there. I didn't meet him until my 30s, so I know how it feels to not reach life milestones by the time I thought I would (all my friends are married, with kids, and I'm a late bloomer).

I met him through Tinder, so I was at least attracted to him enough to swipe right. But in my eyes now, he's absolutely stunning. When we met, I wasn't looking for a hookup, I wanted an actual boyfriend.

I'm sure he could get another if he wanted to.

How else are you supposed to meet people today? Libraries and groceries stores don't seem to cut it anymore and I don't believe in "fate". Online dating seemed like the only option.

You're probably not ugly. Very few people in this world are truly ugly, and even then they compensate with an amazing personality. Come on, haven't you seen that South Park episode? You've probably just met some real prime assholes in life and I'm really sorry that they made you feel that way.

Random it's terrible that you would wish one of these guys on another girl. They are abusive, psychotic assholes and it is the best thing for the human race if they never get laid and never get the chance to procreate. If they ever did convince some poor girl to hook up with for a bout of very terrible and meaningless sex I would pity her terribly. Though probably she would just be doing it because she felt bad or they paid a prostitute.

And honestly, it's not about your looks, it's about your absolutely disgusting outlook on life, yourselves, women, and all things. Your values SUCK the only other people that have them are other male virgins, or really /really/ crazy women with huge insecurity problems, who also don't value themselves or their bodies or their relationships. (which means you probably shouldn't hate on those women because they are likely the only ones who will ever sleep with you.) Unfortunately for you, the only real way to have a healthy relationship is if your values can accept or match your partner's values. Basically, all of you are doomed to virgindom forever until you manage to pull your head out of your collective asses and grow the hell up. Also blaming the world for your own problems is pathetic and entitled. Men own up to shit and get shit done. You, little bitches, are not men, you are pathetic disgusting genetic trash that will /thankfully/ never get passed on.

I think that might be the case for some, but definitely not all. I don't think it's fair to overgeneralize and say that all incels are created equal. Sure there's some dicks that made nasty comments for whatever reason, but there's also guys that did answer my questions and explained what they believed without being demeaning.

Hahahaha so you fucked chads all of your peak years and then when you hit your 30s you realized chad didn’t want you anymore and all your friends were married and you weren’t so you settled for a beta guy a decade younger than you that you openly admit isn’t as smart, funny, rich, or hot as the guys you fucked before. You are a living stereotype.

Not even close, lol. Guys weren't interested in me until my 30s (hence the late bloomer). And I wouldn't say I settled at all. I dated until I found what I was looking for. I could have "settled" years ago, but I'd rather be alone than do that. I feel like I would have been more of a stereotype if I chose one of the other smarter, funnier, hotter guys I dated, but instead I chose the one I got along with the best.

There seems to be a negative context when you say "beta"? Why is that? In my opinion, they're the nice guys that you can get along with. Alphas are assholes that walk all over you. I could be misinterpreting, so I thought I should clarify.

This is a fucking troll. If not I'm preparing the rope.

Did I say something wrong...? I'm asking questions to get perspective from a different side. Everyone should educate themselves more.

start with yourself whore.

That's exactly what I was trying to do. Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of people that claim they want to be understood, just actually want to put someone else down when they inquire. I have been raked over the coals in here for no reason. I still wish you good luck in finding what you're looking for, even though I'll probably be berated for believing in you when you don't believe in yourself.

if you were truly attempting to understand, you wouldnt be asking worthless questions that have already been answered a million times - you would merely shut up and read the threads until you properly understand the basics of our perspective.

and if you agree or disagree after that, by all means ask questions or state your disagreement but only after you've made a good faith effort to truly understand on your own without expecting us to go out of our way to spoonfeed you information.

Just bc you’re talking to someone who goes against your narrative doesn’t make them a troll. You guys need to stop generalizing everything, no wonder you’re so stuck in the rhetoric. You had someone trying to learn more/show you what it’s truly like outside the incel world and all the responses are reeeee/tinder slut/chad this chad that/etc. Like, stop.

This is why I think that you shouldn't give up, because you're probably a good fit for a girl out there. I didn't meet him until my 30s

HAHAHAHAHA OOOOHHH MY GOD

What's so funny about that? My husband didn't start dating me until he was 30. I was his first girlfriend. Ever. Now we've been together for eight years, have kids and are as happy as the day we met. He's not objectively the hottest guy I've ever dated, but he's the one I fell in love with. To me, he's gorgeous. And he was a virgin til 25, and says he only started enjoying sex once it was with me. Some people are late bloomers.

"didnt meet him until my 30s"

way to prove everyone right tinderslut. -_-

I wasn't lucky enough to meet him until then. I wish I would have been.

If it's a hookup I go for a Chad.

If it's an actual relationship I look for a wealthy beta male, because I know I couldn't keep Chad to myself.

If trying to find a mate sucks, is exhausting and hard work for you, a woman, then what the fuck do you know about what it's like for ugly males? Your hope means nothing.

Not a beta male provider, because I have worked very hard to become a self sufficient women. I pay my own way.

I know what it's like to be unattractive. I was overweight my whole life and had to drop 50 lbs to even get a guy to notice me.

50.0 lbs = 22.68 kilogram

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No, you don't know what it's like to be ugly if all that was stopping you from becoming attractive was being overweight. Incels here are done for their entire lifes just because they didn't roll high in the gene lottery and because women are instinctively obssesed about a man's face and height to the point of marrying Chad criminals, murderers, rapists, child abusers etc.

I actually know more than you think I do. Just because I lost weight, doesn't mean I became really attractive. A lot of guys will fuck anything, which is why it's not overly hard for a girl to get laid, but guys won't date just anything. There's a big difference between those two and it took me a long time to figure that out. It hurts knowing that you have so much to offer someone if they just gave you a chance, but nope.

There are absolutely women like that, but not all women. In fact, those are the women that you don't want to be with, because there's something seriously wrong upstairs.

I don't know much about incels, to be honest. I came here to learn more an see the other side of the story. What's the average age of people on here? How do people on here feel about prostitution as a solution if it's just about sex? Again, I mean no disrespect, just trying to educate myself.

What's the average age of people on here? How do people on here feel about prostitution as a solution if it's just about sex?

Id say about 22-27 is the average range. Prostitution isn't a solution coz, we want a stable long-term relationship with our looksmatch, prefer virgin, but (at least myself) def not a slut. We want to feel loved and wanted, desired, feel intimate with a woman. Prostitution cant solve dis.

I will do everything in my power to get dis, but if not achieved, then sure i'll have some funds and go for hookers just to feel and experience what it is like to put my dick in a womans vagina... But that will only solve my curiosity nothing else.

Thank you for your answer!

I think I can see a little more where the frustration is coming from. So it's not just about sex (like the media would have us believe), it's looking for a partner in life. And it's also not about going after only the hottest women. Do you think that incels get a bad name because the loudest ones come across as women-haters, when it doesn't sound like that's the case?

What would be considered a slut? Someone that just isn't a virgin? What if they had had a few long term relationships and had sex with their boyfriends? Is that ok because it's not random hookups? Do you feel that the female sexual liberation has caused this because it's more acceptable for women to sleep around?

Sorry to bombard you with questions. Again, just trying to see another side. Anyone else can feel free to chime in too!

Do you think that incels get a bad name because the loudest ones come across as women-haters

I don't really have any studies to show this, but it should be pretty obviously true that modern society never had a positive view of male virgins, the idea that an older male is still a virgin is shameful to most people, and people will use it to make fun of them.

Most people want to be morally righteous but most people also stigmatize male virgins despite the fact that there's nothing wrong with male virgins. Being an incel can also lead to a lot of damage to a person's mental and physical health, which causes them to be even more outcast by a society that believes that they're morally righteous.

For plenty of people, the answer is really easy. Incels are incels because of their mental health issues, and incels are just getting what they deserve because they're bad people, and good people have a right to bully them because they define the behaviours they project onto incels as unacceptable.

It is a sad truth that being a virgin is looked down upon in today's society. I can't argue against that. Do people actually make fun of you to your face about that? Not like friends joking, but like actual assholes that rub it in your face?

Do you think that what you consider a slut could ever be redeemed? Like they grew up, got more mature, and made a conscious choice to change.

I'm glad to hear that you feel that you don't believe that there should be a double standard when it comes to both genders sleeping around.

Thank you for the respectful dialogue guys! My karma has taken a hit today, due to my curiosity, but that's ok. I'm glad I'm hearing your side.

Do people actually make fun of you to your face about that? Not like friends joking, but like actual assholes that rub it in your face?

I'm not actually a virgin but people have assumed I am just because of certain unpopular opinions I hold, responding with comments in public clubs like, "just go home and hug your anime pillow" or "I'm glad people like you don't have a place in society or with anyone". I've also seen multiple people get into arguments with others at clubs in university, but if one of them openly admitted to being a virgin, that ALWAYS gets called up in the argument in some way.

It absolutely disgusts me that normal people act this way towards others and it's considered acceptable, while they condemn the exact same actions when applied to other groups of people. When I finally found people who would accept me as close friends and be open minded enough to talk about things disagreeable to them, it was ironically enough, a group of neo-nazis, even though I'm non-white, and my first girlfriend was a white supremacist. Ever since then, I've never trusted anything negative that I've seen from normal people. IMO, they're just mirror images of each other, and all they want is to smear everything different because it's uncomfortable for them to accept that anything is different from the normal.

Do you think that what you consider a slut could ever be redeemed? Like they grew up, got more mature, and made a conscious choice to change.

No, I believe growing up and maturing are exactly what the words imply. They might be smarter, more experienced more capable, more stable, but they still grew from the same root of faithlessness. Some things on the surface might change with maturity, but the core of the person never will outside of some significant life changing experience, the kind that would be significant enough to make headlines on the news.

That is absolutely deplorable behaviour and should not be accepted in society. I'm sorry you had that happen to you.

I agree that people should be open the hearing both sides before making up their minds, but I know that's also a lot harder to do than just following along with everyone else.

Aka Alpha fucks beta bux

Finding a mate for a woman is as easy as ordering pizza.

Correction: finding a mate for an average to hot women is easy.

Pig woman experiment

That's sad, but true. Not really a mate, though, just a fuck and chuck.

You might be tight on that. Boogie is about the same attractiveness as pigwoman, and he still has a girlfriend.

But it’s just a statistical truth that women can find both sex and love more easily. Attractive men too, but unattractive women are in a lot better position than unattractive men. This is why incels are angry. If women were in the same position, male and female incels could find each other. But there are almost no female incels. I would say there are none, but you can’t rule it out completely.

Does anyone know why that is? Is it a ratio thing (more men than women)? Is it because women are capable of being self sufficient nowadays and don't need to find a man right away?

80/20 rule. Women are only attracted to the top 20% of men. Since one man can have any number of girlfriends throughout his life, the distribution of sex is skewed. The top 20% are drowning in pussy, the middle 60% have at least one girlfriend and even a marrige, but most marriges end in divorce anyways, since women feel like they only settled. The bottom 20% are left without women.

Percentages may vary. It might be 20-40-40 or 40-50-10. But there is a sizeable incel population.

That's a much larger percentage than I would have ever guessed. Do you think those numbers change over time? My assumption is that as time goes on, a man will eventually find a woman that he connects with because people's relationship priorities change as they mature.

I do not know, sincerely. But what I know is that I don’t want to be someone’s second choice after the first failed. My dad married my mom after her first failed marriage (to an extremely good-looking guy btw, in contrast to my balding, ugly skinned and short father in his 40s). And whenever I hear her talking about him, what I always hear is that he was nice to talk to, and that he’s an intelligent guy. I never ever heard her call him handsome. She also cheated on him.

Priorities shifting merely means that she wants to settle down after figuring out she can’t get Chad anymore. If you didn’t experience being loved in your teens, you’re fucked.

My mom cheated on my dad too after like 20 years of marriage, so I know how that can mess things up.

If your mom didn't cheat on your dad, do you think you would still feel the same way about not wanting to marry a divorcee? Or would you think that maybe she made a mistake when she was younger and realized the error of her ways once she was more mature?

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate my mom. She kind of raised me after divorcing my dad (not totally as a single mother, my father also took a large part in custody) and although single mothers can never be as successful as a whole family she did what she could, and I'm thankful for that.

I think it doesn't matter if she's a divorcee or not. The fact that women weren't interested in me when I was young is enough. They didn't want to get to know me, they only saw an ugly kid. If their priorities do shift, then why should that make me happy? They still don't want me. Let me put it this way, if I'm a homeless guy at 40, will they want to be with me? If I have a respected profession at 40 with sizeable wealth, will they want to be with me? If the answer to the first question is no, and the answer to the second is yes, then they don't really want to be with me. They want to be with someone with status. I don't want that.

That's completely understandable to not be wanted/used for only your money. If I were a guy, that would probably be one of my greatest fears: not knowing if a woman really loved me for me or if it's just my money. Thank you for providing some clarity on that for me!

no problem, thanks for listening

he still has a girlfriend.

I thought she left him? And was cucking him the whole time with her buddy. She was more of a carer than gf

This filthy whore actually believes she'll be married to the same beta bux provider when she's 80.

Not married yet. Might never be married. But if I ever do, then yes, I hope I am still married to the same guy when I'm 80. What would be the point otherwise?

Hey, she's clearly stated that she pays her own way, so your entire theory about "beta bux" falls flat, but sure, you just keep telling yourself whaever fits your narrative.

If it's just a hookup, then some random hot guy will work.

If it's an actual relationship, then looks matter a LOT less to me.

I met my boyfriend 2 years ago, and he was a 27 year old virgin with no relationship experience.

I was gonna say this has got to be a troll. But redditer for one year so not so sure. But this user is literally the definition of what the manosphere talks about all day. Alpha fucks beta bucks/comfort is all proven here.

Nope, not a troll. Just trying to see the other side of a viewpoint.

I don't know what manosphere is, but are you insinuating that I'm only with my boyfriend now for finance means or because it's time to settle down because I'm not in my 20s anymore? I know I might be going out on a limb, but would you consider that maybe I'm only with him now because I didn't meet him until a couple years ago? Luck couldn't possibly play any factor in this?

I don't know what your exact situation is because I don't personally know you. All I do know is that if a woman would never have dated you when she was 20 or 25 but only wants you now at 35 because you're "safe" or financially stable; that's a bad deal. Being settled for in that way is not a good thing, it's not like she truly respects you.

I will completely agree with you. If a woman considered being with a man only for that reason, it would not be a good relationship. Thank you for clarifying!

yup its sure exhausting swiping right and laying there. riding the cock carousal is hard work -_-

No, finding a good meaningful relationship is hard work.

yup its hard work test driving all the meaningless cock looking for the one that fills up your heart instead of your cunt.

Not the words I would have used, but sure.

Can confirm.. although I don't have a disease I hate sex with condoms to the Nth degree so I basically tell the chick we can foreplay instead or I/she can leave. They usually just say it's okay and we have fun.

"can confirm..."

what a faggy reddit thing to say.

I can almost see a Discord icon and a PUBG/Fortnite icon when I see your name and reply.

"PUBG"/"Fortnite"

i dont play video games

"incel"

yes i am an incel

This should be sticked.

You know what always makes me feel like eating a nice big bowl of chop sui? Remembering that women are disgusted by inexperience. Remembering that women don't fantasize about losing their virginity to another virgin, instead they like the idea of an experienced Chad teaching them the ropes.

Just lol @ me being a 25 year old virgin who has never held a woman's hand. This feels impossible. Most Chadstralians have their first relationship and sex at 16/17 before they're even done with highschool. Pass me the rope my friend

My husband lost his virginity at 25. To a one-night-stand. He said it was awful and it put him off sex for many years, until I came along. We started dating when he was about to turn 30. The first time we had sex, we did it four times in a row. We clicked on all levels, it was fantastic. We've been together eight years now, married with two kids, and nothing has changed. Still love each other as much as we did in the beginning, and the sex is great.

The sad part is, I literally had to hunt him down. He was so jaded and so convinced that having a relationship with me would not work and he was doomed to die along and live a lonely live (because, reasons) that I almost gave up. On our wedding day he thanked me over, and over, and over again that I didn't. But that I, instead, opened his eyes to the fact that he was just as human and normal as everyone else.

I hate you so much for this brag comment. Go away

I mean, sure, if you want to be miserable feel free to carry on thinking I'm trying to brag somehow rather than tell you your fate is hardly sealed at 25.

how old were you when you met him :2

1. Bu we were friends first and only started dating when I was 23.

The sad part is, I literally had to hunt him down.

Why did you bother? I don't mean this in a insulting way, I'm genuinely curious why you decided to put in all that effort. Because any girl would probably have to put in some effort into me as well to help me with my inexperience and it seems utter irrational that anyone would do that when there are men out there who are not only better but require less "maintenance" on top of that.

Better by whose standards? Basically, he was someone I had clicked with immediately on an intellectual and emotional level. It just felt like whenever we talked we were on the same wavelength and we could talk and talk, for hours. (Even after eight years we still haven't run out of things to say to each other.) I also saw someone who had the potential to be amazing, in life, and just wasn't aware of it at all. I fell in love with that potential, too. He still struggles a lot. His upbringing wasn't perhaps as emotionally healthy and supportive as mine, and he's prone to depression, compulsive negative thinking and crippling self doubt. But we're slowly breaking those cycles. He's doing so much better than he was when we first started dating, and I always knew he could get there. I know he'll still go so much further in life, whether he believes it or not. I believe in him.

I bothered because I couldn't not bother. You don't chose who you fall in love with. And I couldn't let somebody walk away who I had feelings for, and who had feelings for me also, but was too afraid of failure to even try. He was very adamantly against dating me at first and rejected me a few times, and I literally have poetry (lol) sitting in a drawer somewhere about how much I hate being in love with him and that I wish I could stop. I was a bit dramatic in my early 20s, who isn't. But there you go, it all worked out.

Whether there was someone "better" out there or not never even factored into my thought process. Better what? Better looking? Psh, screw that. I've slept with one single guy in my life who would be considered a "Chad", I guess? Muscular and tall. Not my type, I go for geeky/quirky. The sex was godawful. He thought his looks could do all the work and tried to practically force me into something I had no intention of doing. And talking to him was more boring than watching paint dry. No personality. I blocked his number after that one encounter.

Better at ... being sane and stable? I mean, no one is perfect. Everyone is crazy and difficult in some way. I have my weird sides, too, and he is as understanding and accepting of me as I am of him. There's nothing better than that.

It just felt like whenever we talked we were on the same wavelength and we could talk and talk, for hours. (Even after eight years we still haven't run out of things to say to each other.)

Yea, I know that feeling, although I just become friends with the people I can do that with.

I suppose you simply fell in love with him, I'm not entirely sure what answer I expected.
My assumption usually is that no woman would be willing to invest anything in me because I have nothing to give in return, so I wrongly assumed the same here.

I'm happy you two found each other and I wish you all the best :3

Thank you. I guess what helped was that, even though he honestly didn't believe he/his life could change, he was aware that he needed to change things. But didn't know how, where to start... But he was quite aware that he had issues and was trying to turn things around for himself before I came along, training for a job more in line with what he actually wanted to do, trying to push himself to get out there and live life a bit more than he had been. He was trying. So I knew there was hope.

I guess what helped was that, even though he honestly didn't believe he/his life could change, he was aware that he needed to change things.

Same here. I've been trying to improve myself for the past two years or so but have little to show for, which sometimes gets a bit frustrating. And then I get tired of "optimistic" environments and seek out negative echo-chambers like this place.

I wish you all the best! It's never to late for someone's life to change. Literally never. Don't let anyone tell you that.

Thanks. I'll keep trying my best.

it seems utter irrational that anyone would do that when there are men out there who are not only better but require less "maintenance" on top of that.

This just isn't true. Don't depress yourself by thinking that way. First of all, that kind of exploration isn't work for everybody. It can be interesting and fun. Second, while it'd be nice if experienced men were all experts at sex who knew what every single woman liked, they totally don't. Yes, it's counterintuitive and annoying, but those are the breaks. The ACTUAL worst thing is something who thinks he knows what you want but doesn't.

Hmm, I've read similar replies before and I always have the impression they kinda miss the degree of my inexperience.
Cooking is fun, especially exploring new recipes. And a good cook will be open to your suggestions about what could be improved. You can say "maybe try boiling the pasta for a minute less" or "don't add oil to your spaghetti" (seriously, don't). But I'm more on a level where I'd have to be told what side of a pan is down, what the difference between milk and kurkuma is and whether the raw dough goes in the oven or the dishwasher.

Hmm, I've read similar replies before and I always have the impression they kinda miss the degree of my inexperience.

Well, you might be missing the degree of my experience with inexperience! To be fair, I don't really know what's up with you- is it something beyond just having had no sexual/romantic contact with anyone? Do you have a spectrum disorder or an auditory processing disorder? (Please don't take that as insulting- these are actual things that people have to deal with, and that would definitely make sexual interaction hard.)

Well, you might be missing the degree of my experience with inexperience!

This is getting meta 6.9

is it something beyond just having had no sexual/romantic contact with anyone? Do you have a spectrum disorder or an auditory processing disorder?

Well, I'm undergoing treatment for medical depression with a therapist I'm seeing every two weeks but as far I can tell, most people wouldn't suspect that if I didn't tell them. And my mom suspects I might have a form of autism but I never got that checked.

Well, I'm undergoing treatment for medical depression with a therapist I'm seeing every two weeks

That's awesome.

I'm not trying to downplay how scary and mysterious sex can be from the outside, but I've been with guys who have done absolutely nothing with other human beings, and it's amazing the extent to which instinct takes over. Possible undiagosed autism aside, you use the same tools you do for any other human interaction- the English language, observing and responding, etc. etc. You clearly don't have any problems with language so...

Again, not trying to downplay how scary it is. It absolutely it is a whole damn thing. But don't freak yourself out thinking you are uniquely unequipped when that doesn't seem to be the case.

Thanks a lot. I'll try to keep that in mind, in the hopes that I can accept it one day...

Internet hugs.

My brother was still a virgin at age 25. He's happily married with 2 kids now. When he was 25 he definitely might have considered himself to be an incel had such a thing existed back then. His situation was very strange though. In high school he was actually very popular, but quiet and also in very good shape from being on the for ball team, track team, wrestling and cross country. A lot of girls really liked him and he could have lost his virginity easily but he was very shy and it didn't happen.

Then he went to college and gained 60lbs. His acne got bad and the school the was at happened to be 80% male. After college he went to grad school because what else was he going to do?

Well at grad school met this crazy fucking girl who saw potential (any girl could have, the craziness it's a separate issue) in him and they started dating. She helped him lose the weight and he got back into fighting shape. She was thrilled he was a virgin because she was too and she really wanted to marry someone who was also a virgin. They eventually (well actually fairly quickly) got married and have been married for 20 years.

He considered himself untouchable at age 25 and had never had a girl friend or even a first kiss. With in like 2 years he was married.

It can happen. Don't lose hope.

As you say, your brother had potential. His situation was unusual, he essentially took himself off the market for those college years, and someone pulled him out of the hole he'd dug. At 25 I'm in the best shape of my life and I'm doing well in my career (CPD for healthcare professionals) where I meet new peer-aged women almost daily. No woman has ever been interested in me. I pursue women outside of work - attending speed dating events, striking up conversations at appropriate venues, trying online dating - with no results.

Eh, you are over estimating his potential. He was fit, but you would have called him a gymcel for sure. He went bald at age 20. He's always had a "butter face" too. Well I guess maybe a "but-his face". His face is unfortunate. Like, I don't know the terms used in this community so I'll do my best... He has a recessive chin. A very large crooked nose that has very bulbous nostrils and large pores. Protruding brow like a neanderthal. His eyes are also uneven like... One higher than the other. He is one that age has been very good for him, at 45 he looks far better than he did at 30. Also he is covered in fur. Excessive body hair, like Robin Williams. Not just in the places guys want it, it's every where... Except on top of his head of course. Cruel trick of genetics there.

Any popularity he had in high school did not carry past that. When you go from high school to college no one cares that you were the popular kid, every thing is different. Since he'd had the same friends since he was 5, he completely lacked the ability and social skills to make new ones. He came out of college and grad school with zero friendships (other than eventually the wife).

Anyway, I really see a lot of worth in quite a few people on this sub. I feel like they are trapped in a loop of self fulfilling low self esteem. I was there once myself- unlike my brother and despite possessing a vagina, I was that kid that had to sit by myself at lunch. The kid that got crammed into lockers, and had cruel tricks played on them and got bullied and taunted daily. I was ugly, had no friends, and frequently contemplated killing myself. The vagina, contrary to popular opinion around here, is no magical key to happiness and sex. Yes I took my ugly self out and lost my virginity way too young to an equally ugly guy (that particular evening it was either that or the bottle of pills I stole), but I was too ugly to really love, even the ugly guy was pretending he didn't know me the next day. Sex is one thing, a real relationship with someone that loves you is something else. I was lucky in that I grew into some of my features and I also managed to hit the gym and lose some weight. I'm even mildly physically deformed but I still managed to snag a good man to marry. I'm so glad I didn't kill myself because really, I'm having a good life now. This is the real reason I come to this sub. I see a lot of my young self in the less hateful members here and I'm hoping to bring some light in. I get how some of y'all got here. I want to see some of you get out.

So he got lucky in life. Some people do. I would give anything to be married to a decent looking virgin girl. But I won't get that, what I will eventually get is shotgun pellets to my dome.

Not all women. I have a premature ejaculation fetish. I am so turned on by the idea of being someone's "first". I am turned on by awkward fumbling sex with someone who REALLY wants it and will always remember it. I want to see that look in someone's eye the first time they feel it... hear that sharp intake of breath. No emotional reservation.

I know the feeling. I just can't imagine that any woman would put with a guy who has to be taught everything in his late 20s. Yea, people always point out that every partner is different and requires learning new things. But you're not learning from scratch. You might have to figure out how she likes to be kissed but you don't have to be taught how kissing even works...

Are you kidding? Nooo! I LOVED teaching my husband everything. I wasn't entirely his first, but I was very close and he was very clueless. He was like a child that had wandered into a toy shop when we were in bed the first few times. Totally in awe, and wanting to try everything. It was the best ever, it made me feel so special.

That sounds so sweet...
Although I'm still not sure if he could have been as clueless as me.

I met my boyfriend on r/Incels a few days before it was shut down. He is amazing and the best person I have ever known.

No it was a rant. I had just discovered the community and didn’t know then that advice and expressed empathy was unwelcome. I believe that r/Incels was banned outright a little over a year ago but I suppose that I could be wrong. Our one year anniversary was on April 23/24

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How?

Bet it was a larper who posted a pic to fish for attention from female lurkers.

No, it was a rant, not a picture.. I won’t say much more because it feel like I’m bragging about how “not like other girls” I am. I really just wanted to highlight how wonderful he truly is and that there are probably a lot really great people on here as well.

I have ranted a few times here, nothing came off it. Probably cuz I'm a legit uggo unlike your bf.

Not suggesting that it is a typical occurrence. In fact it was completely unexpected. Good luck, my friend.

Y'alls using personal experience to justify the way you think. I get a decent amount of pussy and my biggest problem is that lots girls (at least my type ^_) even around the ages of 16-18 tend to be sluts. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing but it's also reality. People are realizing at younger ages that sex is... Oh Sex is Beautiful ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 👌

What value is there in being remembered by some ugly dude? I'd rather fuck a hot woman than have an ugly woman remember me fondly for throwing her a pity fuck.

Id do 'pityfuck' to girl in a hearbeat... But she wouldnot let me...

Why would any woman want to have sex with an incel? They wouldn't and don't and never will. Sex is supposed to feel Good, you guys can't provide that.

You all want stacys too. You rather be forever alone than to give a femcel a chance smh

The only even remote femcel in existence are the ones who openly admit to having AIDS..... And more and more guys are even becoming ok with that.

Lmao. I know most of incels dont want a girl whose not a virgin. They literally call other men cuck if they dont marry a virgin.

All incels just want a girl. If they don't then they're not incel.

Or yall are some gross ass people who reek of desperation, insecurity, and narcissism and lack the self-respect to acknowledge this and turn yourself into a respectable member of society.

True. If Stacy fucked an incel, Stacy would be in fear of that incel being obsessed with/stalking her

Or that she would accidentally give birth to an incel and not a Chad.

Ok, I've been watching this Incel movement since it all blew up and admittedly it kind of weirdly fascinates me. I don't get this whole 'females would rather be chad's...'. You all say that women would never date an Incel - I'm putting it out here that I'll go on a date with someone. I'm not going to sit and belittle you, I'm not doing it out of 'pity' and I'm not coming out to ask random stuff about Incels. If your whole hypothesis is 'women would never look at us or take us seriously' I kind of want to try and prove at least somebody wrong. Just be: - 22yo+ - London, UK or close enough - We actually have to get on and have stuff to talk about when we meet for it to carry on

Nope, I haven't. It's not about bad personality, if we have nothing to talk about it'd be pretty fucking awkward for everyone.

No, I haven't 'decided to reject someone' why would I bother to post... If we have nothing to talk about then it's just fucking awkward for everyone. Still stands.

Why would I bother to put this on here if it was really like that? Why waste time on Incels if I can't chase Chad blah blah..

I actually don't really care what you look like. If we actually have stuff in common and have a good time then that would be great. Also don't buy this whole 'we're too ugly to date'. Most people here probably aren't.

Tldr- you literally ask why women won't come onto boards like this and date Incels. Literally right here willing to do so and all you can come back with is 'post tots'

Still, it still stands.

I would be genuinely interested in dating an Incel if we actually got on.

I said 'prove someone wrong' yeah. Because what drew me here in the first place is the fact that you all genuinely seem to think you're 'undateable'. I don't really believe that's true. So, I'm putting it out there that I'll happily go on a date with someone here, NOT to chat about Incels etc, but to have a genuine good time. If we get on and it turns into something, cool. If we don't, also cool. That's literally it.

you dont have to try to prove it to us, rather how about you find someone actually ugly in your daily life (the type of person you subconsciously ignore) and actively attempt to court them.

you wont because that would produce too tangible of results, so rather you'll concern troll here as you know noones foolish enough to take you up on your offer. we know how weighted dice land. :2

We actually have to get on This is too vague.

OK let's see if you will really put the money where your mouth is and I'll take one for the team. 30, London and if you bail you have to tell everyone why you really did. I'll be timing it to see exactly when that happens.

I am certain that you will lose and that you won't last more than 5 minutes not because that we didn't "get along" or "have stuff to talk about" but because you would realised that you made a bad decision and that spending time with an incel isn't a good use of it when you could be chasing chads.

Tbh I don’t even really care if you hate me or not, because your bias against women doesn’t affect me one bit. All I am saying is that people in general don’t like being around people who hate them. Obviously, i can’t speak for all women, but for the vast majority, including myself, hatred towards women is a major no.

What kind of women do you see in movies. They are all „Stacies“ as you call them. Does that mean that all men only want Stacies?

I can’t tell because I do not „Jack off“ as you put it. But most girls I know had/ have massive crushes on celebrities/ fictional characters that could never be considered chad-like. And it’s not because of their fame and status either, because that would only serve them if they actually dated the celebrity they are crushing on.

Doesn't really make sense since women carry a lot of incel genes like short height, lack of jawlines, thinning hair, etc, yet they still breed. You can't apply this line of reasoning to men alone you moron.

What? Women spread shitty genes because they are the selectors and they bring whatever disgusting traits they have into the gene pool. Ugly, short, obese, weak, stupid women all get to breed. Men who are even slightly off don't get to do so.

If incels bred, there would inherently be more incels.

If incels bred they wouldn't be incels by definition.

Incels aren't exactly thinkers, huh?

What's the average age of people on here? How do people on here feel about prostitution as a solution if it's just about sex?

Id say about 22-27 is the average range. Prostitution isn't a solution coz, we want a stable long-term relationship with our looksmatch, prefer virgin, but (at least myself) def not a slut. We want to feel loved and wanted, desired, feel intimate with a woman. Prostitution cant solve dis.

I will do everything in my power to get dis, but if not achieved, then sure i'll have some funds and go for hookers just to feel and experience what it is like to put my dick in a womans vagina... But that will only solve my curiosity nothing else.

What I've noticed is that the women ALWAYS get a new partner within a week or two after a breakup.

I haven't noticed that at all. After ending a long term relationship it usually takes at least a few months, sometimes much longer for men and women to move on. Very rarely have I seen anyone I know immediately have a backup man on the line. Not since college anyway when this stuff was way less serious and more fleeting.

(and god knows how many times they cheat with the backup man before breaking up with their current boyfriend).

No proof this is happening. Just more conjecture on your part.

Women don't really feel bad about dumping their boyfriends and saying "NEXT!" when they get bored.

No proof of this. Just more claims that women are actually heartless monsters with no regard for anything but upgrading partners.

So as usual, lots of claims that women are all branch swinging liars who don't feel bad about breaking up with lesser men. Claims that don't line up with observable reality for anyone other than incels who only see evidence for the conclusions they've already decided are true.

Yawn.

If we were to take natural selection as a rule the Toronto attack wouldn't be a crime, considering "muh natural selection" stance the dude was eliminating those who were unable to avoid the van, thus improving the gene pool.

If Chad gets shanked that's just natural selection, bruh 😎😎

You fucking dumbasss

Are you retarded? Do you not have any idea what a 1/10 even looks like? You can't make jumps as big as like 1-5 or 5-8 without surgeries.

It is a sad truth that being a virgin is looked down upon in today's society. I can't argue against that. Do people actually make fun of you to your face about that? Not like friends joking, but like actual assholes that rub it in your face?

Do you think that what you consider a slut could ever be redeemed? Like they grew up, got more mature, and made a conscious choice to change.

I'm glad to hear that you feel that you don't believe that there should be a double standard when it comes to both genders sleeping around.

Thank you for the respectful dialogue guys! My karma has taken a hit today, due to my curiosity, but that's ok. I'm glad I'm hearing your side.

How?

Nature have millions of years to eliminate ugly people via not letting ugly males procreate....Meanwhile it let ugly females procreate and spread their deficient genes, i don't know but nature have failed and will still continue to fail.

Lmao. I know most of incels dont want a girl whose not a virgin. They literally call other men cuck if they dont marry a virgin.

Incels aren't here because their incel ancestors had partners

The next generation will not be related to us in anyway but there will still be incels

I will completely agree with you. If a woman considered being with a man only for that reason, it would not be a good relationship. Thank you for clarifying!