pin this

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I think this is a good call.

/u/Board_Gaming Shall we take down the "people of all races post" for it?

Should be up now :)

could we commission you for a meme for our curry saint

https://imgur.com/a/VktCHjT

here is our guru

also, lol wtf kind of late reply is this boyo

good lord almighty this is perfect

st.blackops2cel bless this man and all his copes, and may he have a swift and painless rope

it's posted

I think it should be the wiki FAQ page.

Agreed.

How about we just sticky it for one day or so? Just to get the word out there

put it up, we don't need the toronto thing, just this and the 'we're not white supremacist' ones are all we need

just found an incel on omegle.

wasn't even using the key terms.

He doesn't use the term incel but he lurks the forums and shit. 5'3" eastern european 21 year old dude.

I feel bad for him.

Sticky it, it is very concise and easy even for low iq normies to understand.

Not just that, you really do need to pin this.

Not just that, you really do need to pin this.

High IQ post!

Pin this and IT „fantasy“ of incels will shatter.

This is a good post, it should be stickied.

We seem to blame women though

Pointing out biological facts != blaming women.

Females didn't choose to be vile beasts. It makes no sense to blame them for their repulsive desires.

it's just missing something about needed to ldar and maybe one day rope and something about st.blackops2cel and this could be the 10 crack commandments

Yes you forgot the mental illness and discussion of ropes every post

and calling people out for being low-iq

i referred to both of those things in my comment

rope>hope

Why hope when there's rope?

Anything to further the quality of our cope.

There ought to be an incel manifesto/guidebook to help dispel myths.

"Involuntarily celibate" or "incel" just means unable to have sex or relationships even though we want those things.

Don't even pretend this is true. Incels have a distinct subculture and rhetoric.

The “ideology” that IT talks about is the black pill. You can be incel without even knowing what incels are though. Most male virgins are incel.

Yeah no nice try. Your community is catching heat for the toxicity of its subculture and you're trying to do damage control by grouping yourself in with all male virgins, so when people complain about incels you can point and say "S-see? Society bullies us for being virgins!" No one's buying it, but good luck on cleaning up your sub's image!

You're a degenerate idiot lol.

Damn, you got me there. I'm no match for your high IQ.

Low IQ comment

I have literally seen multiple posts/comments on here about violence and saying things like “women shouldn’t be allowed to say no to sex”

Could you show some examples? Those types of post break Reddit’s site-wide content policy and the mods here would be glad to remove them and ban the poster if you would report the post.

This guy gets it.

They can't because commie_gaming is a very strict mod

I’m not gonna go digging up links, but if that’s the case I’ll report it to the mods in the future.

We can't because the incel sub was banned.

Before it was banned we could bury you in evidence.

So the people saying those things are completely different from us, so trying to imply that I or we in this sub say such things is just you and others being intentionally obtuse.

Most people inclined to say such things migrated over to incels.me, if you would rather argue with the actual people who actually believe and say such things, instead of trying to frame Braincels.

They were people who chose to call and label themselves as incels.

You are trying to rebrand, but you can't forget history.

You cant' forget that the incel sub was banned for saying those things and that saying those things was supported and celebrated.

I know why you want us to forget what was totally cool, but we can't. Why should we? Braincells +incels. There is no difference.

Sorry to break it to you.

They were people who chose to call and label themselves as germans.

You are trying to rebrand, but you can't forget history.

You cant' forget that the third reich was dismantled for genociding thos jews and that doing those things was supported and celebrated.

I know why you want us to forget what was totally cool, but we can't. Why should we? Germans + nazis. There is no difference.

Sorry to break it to you.

Welp I guess germans are nazis now if the world worked on your logic.

Then their statement would be a lie because that would there on the incel board, not here on the braincel board.

If you want to have fun, check the archives via Wayback Machine. The subreddit has been archived 316 times.

Let me guess. A lot of posts defending rape and also the guy who killed people?

Supported by a lot of people. Upvoted heavily.

Don't guess, go look. Find what you're claiming, and post it here as the evidence requested of you. I'm actually curious if you find what you're looking for.

You know it exists. It isn't like they banned that sub just because they felt like it.

Are you really denying that attitudes like that weren't tolerated.

I ain't denying or claiming anything man, I'm providing you information you didn't you know had at your disposal. You might find it useful, or you might not.

If I recall, the stated reason for the ban was because a specific user (who subscribed to /r/incels) posted on some other subreddit pretending to be a women asking how to prevent/avoid rape or something like that. Basically he was trying to figure out how to get away with it.

That is the blackpill, not inceldom.

Blackpill is an incel buzzword to describe their worldview.

No, blackpill is the ideology. You can be incel without being blackpilled.

Lol, its the same stuff talked about on bodybuilding dot com, psl, and any other realistic forum. Incels just have the craziest fuckers so far that unfortunately acted out. The blackpill is pervasive in many other places, its just not labeled "the blackpill"

This is the clearest statement of inceldom I've ever read. Calls for violence aren't from incels, they're false flags or seriously mentally ill individuals who've found their way into our sub.

2 and #5 on that list are mentally ill schema. If you internalize those, you are mentally ill.

No, they're not. That's like saying you're mentally ill for thinking you can't fly because you don't have wings.

Believing nothing you do will make you good enough is not mentally healthy. That's defeatist, and it isn't based on science. Lions who hunt don't always catch prey, but if they try, they feed. If trying was not successful, their species would have died of starvation long ago. Apply that to every situation on the planet, and it's reasonable to conclude that trying to be successful eventually succeeds in some way. To believe that nothing can be done is delusional.

As for the ugly thing, it's more like this. If a bird wasn't successful flying, and it believed it was because its wings were a different color than the other birds, but it was really because its muscles weren't strong enough, that would be a delusion.

Since ugly people have relationships, it isn't a proven fact that ugly people cannot have relationships. So believing you are not having successful relationships SOLEY based on physical appearance is a delusion. That's not good science. And it's an unhealthy schema.

Comparing humans to lions is bad science. Assuming you know the problems of strangers on the internet more than those very people is arrogant, and also bad science. Some things simply can't be done. If we wanted this "nothing is impossible" tripe, we'd go on youtube and watch Shia LeBouff's far more entertaining video about it.

Humans are social mammals with a hierarchical social system. Comparing them to lions isn't bad science.

I don't assume I know your personal problems. But I know a mentally ill schema when I see one. Research distorted thought processes. They are the same across the board, and easily identifiable. This culture isn't special. You aren't special. You guys operate with the same processes as any other human.

Theres only so much you can do to improve your physical appearance tho, there are natural limitations to everything, and its not at all outlandish to assume there are guys out there starting from such a disadvantaged position, that 50 years of self improvement simply will not suffice in getting them to an adequate level for a girl to be physically attracted to them.

Ugly people have relationships. Denying evidence that shows ugly people can have relationships is delusional.

Men can provide viable offspring without having perfect bone structure. Human babies take longer to mature than other species. Women select for stability and power as much as they select for looks. We are genetically programmed to consider the viability of our offspring. Good looking losers might get us wet for a minute, but taking a chance on having kids with them is a foolish evolutionary choice. If you want a wife, you have a better chance if you are interesting, successful in a career, and prove you will be a loving parent.

If you want to use science to talk about sex, you have to remember the point of sex was originally to reproduce. We're dealing with millions of years of programming for that outcome.

Lmao

Not all hierarchies work the same. Not across all mammals. Not across all primates. Not even across all humans. You would know this if you did even a cursory examination of the animal kingdom you talk so much about, and by this, you would know that comparing humans to lions is bad science.

But you are talking like they should.

Point number 5 Will these improvements towards our maximum potential be good enough? No.

Bullshit. For some people that answer is a resounding yes. They have the wives and kids and relationships as evidence.

You can't make gross generalizations and they say that things are different. You get one of those ideas. You can't pick and chose.

I'm blown away by your specific data. And by your assumption that I haven't been studying zoology and anthropology for 47 years.

So you pickle dicks in jars? This is disappointing. I always imagined you somehow did it uh, naturally somehow.

Well, the terror part comes with the imagining, duddinit? The penis boggart.

Well, 2 and 5 can be examined. And real life does tell me that ugly people can get laid and also be in relationships. And people can improve. And learn how to do things better.

It takes some work. And others have it easier. But it can be done.

This is just filtered reality. When you filter everything to match your world view, you don't have reality. You just have your filtered version of it.

There was a guy I used to work with who had all the attributes of an incel. I swear if he’d just shower once or twice a day he’d be on the female radar, though!

Why can't we have sex or relationships despite wanting those things? Because we're too damn ugly.

Is everyone born with a guarantee that their maximum potential through self improvement will be good enough to find someone? No.

Even if incels had average personalities and character traits, it would not be enough for us to get a girlfriends because it is not hard for women to find much better looking guys who also have average personalities.

It's pretty obvious that females (and males too) will take the best they can get. This is why it's very hard for average looking men to, at will, hook up with a stunning babe. Those types of girls are rejecting the average or below average men because they can do a lot better. Following the logic, we then are being rejected by women for precisely the same reason that some mediocre man gets rejected by high-quality sexual partners, that is, because every woman we make an effort with can do much better than us. She has a whole world of available options, and those options possess far more desirable physical traits than us, and at least equivalent personalities

I thought having a loving relationship was the point, not hooking up.

Either way, my point stands. I wasn't really even implying one-night-stand type deals by the use of 'hooking up'. I could have chosen better wording, admittedly.

Do you have any traits that would make a woman want to risk having children with you? Are you trustworthy enough to mingle with legally? Are you interesting? A good conversationalist? People used to spend time enhancing these traits about themselves. Why are you settling for having an average personality?

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8 so wrong

"because we're too damn ugly"

Or not wealthy enough or have a bad personality on top of not being wealthy or good looking.

Each word is perfectly placed. This post summarizes everything that you need to know, and everything that needs to be said about the subject. No ones fault, and no escape, simply what it is and always will be.

Good post. I made a similar post awhile back, you can crib material off of it.

AS for point number 8

simple question. Well, two.

Why were posts mentioning incels who have killed upvoted? Why were posts saying that incels should be able to rape upvoted?

And a third, why is my FB feed full of my ugly friends and their wives and girlfriends. What are my ugly friends able to do that you all can't do?

There is ugly and then there is subhuman.

That's your confirmation bias.

And for my other questions, do you have an answer?

No, because any posts like that should have been deleted per the rules of the sub.

Why were posts mentioning incels who have killed upvoted? Why were posts saying that incels should be able to rape upvoted?

If it puts the sub in a bad light and is upvoted, I guarantee most of those upvotes are from IT members.

Sure, because hate comments towards women were never supported by this community.

Were those IT members also making those post in the first place?

it's hyperbole, trolling, false flags,etc. Also these posts never have that many upvotes anyway. You are not familiar with our group so STFU or lurk more.

You're like an old white guy going listening to rap and then painting all black guys as sexist, violent beasts

I know your group.

I call your group on its bullshit all the time.

I hate women but I'm so jealous of those in a relationship is pretty much your motto.

You all aren't as complex as you think you are. Your motivations are pretty basic.

all groups have complex memes. Metalheads, juggalos, gangbangers...
You are so arrogant you probably think you could understand by reading anonymous posts on the internet

you guys aren't that fucking man. These are just basic motivations.

You should read a book on incels then. Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated in academia

You all aren't that complex.

I don't need a deep dive to understand your basic motivations.

i know you want to be seen this mysterious force that can't be explained unless I do years of research. You all are as simple as you can be.

You aren't at all complex.

there's been dozens of terrible articles coming out trying to decipher incels and failing spectacularly and contradicting each other.

Lookism, PUAhate, /r9k/, /pol/, foreveralone, incel.me, twitter incels. According to you normies all of these are the same yet they all have their rules and culture and disagree and argue all the time.

I know the top post in this thread says that you guys don't want advice, but, well, I'm going to try anyway.

I am a woman, and there was a time in my life that I probably would have considered myself an 'incel', though I hadn't heard that term back then and anyway I'm aware you folks don't believe that it is possible for a woman to be in your position. I was a virgin until the age of 29. No one even asked to date me in high school and college. The one date I had before the age of 29 was a man I met online, who when he met me in person dumped me; he never told me why, but it's probably because I'm fat. The man I lost my virginity to at age 29 turned out to be married (which I didn't know until much, much later). He wasn't even the last man who lied to me about being married while pretending to be interested in me. I thought for a long time that love simply was not for me, that I never would find someone.

I don't know if that background gives me enough "cred." Maybe you think I'm lying, and I really did have offers of sex. In high school and college: nope. At 29 I did start actually getting offers, probably because I was finally out of my parents' house for the first time in my life, and I had a job that gave me confidence. But even when I started getting offers, they weren't offers for long term relationships. Like with the man I lost my virginity to, those offers were only for sex and not for relationships - though like that first man, they also lied to me about their object, and pretended they wanted more. Offers sex without even the hope of love is every bit as lonely as offers of nothing. I think you all agree with that, or it wouldn't be up there on your list that relationships and family are what you're looking for, not empty sex.

Here's what changed for me, at least this is how I think it happened: Eventually I said to myself, I have a really good job and I can take care of everything that I want and need. If I had a man in my life, he'd probably want me to clean up after him, I might even have to quit my job. Well, I don't want to quit my job, and I don't want to clean up other people's messes. I'm just going to accept that I'm going to die a "spinster", kooky Auntie Favorthebold who keeps half a dozen cats. I made peace with that negative characterization, embraced it.

I spent several years like that. Sometimes I still did cry myself to sleep, I did have down days where I wondered, pathetically, why I was so unlovable. But most days were not that bad; I was (and still am) good at my job, there were always new things to learn, maybe someday I would get an advanced degree, even an engineering degree. Maybe someday I'd buy a house so I could finally get a cat (my apartment complex didn't allow pets). I spent a lot of time on a video game forum, talking about Bioware games, webcomics, movies, etc.

So what changed? Nothing very drastic: after playing SWTOR for a few years, a member of that video game forum who I had a favorable opinion of (he had "correct" opinions about Mass Effect and Star Trek, that is to say opinions that mirrored my own) wanted to start playing SWTOR as well, so I got him in my guild and we started doing things in the game together. I got him on my raid team as well. (he was a healer, I was a tank, how's that for smashing gender expectations!) But also, sometimes I'd spend literally hours in different areas killing mobs, not for a quest or to grind experience, but just to try to get achievements. The kind of grinding that most people loathe and wouldn't touch with a 10 foot poll. But when I'd do those, he'd volunteer to join me. I figured after a while that he'd either 1) decide it was too boring to keep doing it or 2) pressure me to give him something I wasn't prepared to (remember, I had accepted eternal singleness and so at this point the idea of trying again and being disappointed again filled me with anxiety and fear). But neither happened. He just continued to join me in grinding, was his pleasant, peaceful self, and never tried to flirt or comment vulgarly on my or his own genitalia, or any of the other deeply strange (to me) things some guys try on MMOs.

After about six months of this, I knew some things. 1) He was about 10 years younger than me 2) because of his severe social anxiety and depression, he had never had a job, and probably could never have a job. 3) He was not particularly handsome nor fit. 4) I wanted to date him.

I'm not going to go into the full ins and outs of our dating life, be we're married now. I support us both, and our three cats. I feel I could not have married anyone else; the only other man who had come close to the subject very clearly wanted to control me, wanted me to be his servant and give up my job for him. I feel extremely lucky to have found my husband, and to have gotten that previous guy to dump me (because I wasn't submissive enough, seemingly).

Is there a moral to this story? Well, I think there is. Despite what ya'll say and think, it really isn't that easy to find guys with good personalities, not if you are a lady who herself is not a supermodel, who, like myself, is fat and can't wear makeup because of her bad skin. My husband always disclaims when I try to tell him that his unique respect for myself and for women-kind in general is almost un-heard of in my dating life, he thinks it's just "normal" to believe that a woman has a right to her own choices, that she can dress how she wants and work the job that she wants and not be looked down on for it. He thinks the fact that he tenderly cares whether I orgasm or not is not unique to himself. But at least in the men I've met, those traits are INCREDIBLY RARE. Hell, he's the first man I've met who doesn't yell at me for making more money than him, or who was willing to be the "house husband" in our relationship, taking care of the house while I work. I have never met another man like this.

Empathy, true, genuine empathy with other people - believing them to be your equal, wanting to see them succeed, being interested in who they are - this is 100% a path to long lasting love with a permanent partner. It won't happen instantly - as I said with myself, it took several years of accepting myself and therefore accepting others - but it will happen. When you make your inner light glow, it doesn't matter what your outside looks like, people can't help but be attracted to you.

stopped reading at fat , because fat people are volcels.

This is an interesting comment, and I would like for you to reflect on it a moment. I take it from this comment that you would consider fat women beneath you? Not sexually desirable? If a fat woman came to you and begged for sex, you would be disgusted and turn her down? That means that you, too, are a "volcel", because there is a group - perhaps many groups - with whom you would not have sex, even if given the option. That information is empowering, when you think about it. It means you don't have to feel that you are a victim of circumstance anymore.

you jumped completly my point if you visit my history you would see that i see no one beneth me nor do i have standards at all as well as i got rejected by extremly fat women, my point is fat people are volcels because they didnt looksmax, you can call yourself an incel only after looksmaxing hence the word "involantary" in it. being an incel is being in an invisible cage where no matter how you try you cant escape because thats how extremly uggly we are

Hey, foreignincel4, just a quick heads-up:
completly is actually spelled completely. You can remember it by ends with -ely.
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If you're talking about physical appearance, there is really no such thing as "too ugly." I know you truly believe that is a thing, but it's not. That's why I brought up being fat; if a fat person can find love, than so can you. The problem isn't the ugliness without, it's the ugliness within. And the ugliness within CAN be conquered, but the only way to do it is to learn empathy. Learning empathy means not being angry because other people have what you don't have. It means being genuinely interested in other people for who they are and not for what they can give you.

But back to the point I was making, there still are groups with whom you wouldn't have sex, even if they offered it to you - everyone has those. In your case, it might be that you're heterosexual, thus if a man was really into you, there's no way you would be interested in him. You, like everyone else in the world, have sexual preferences, even if you believe you don't. Understanding that you have those preferences, and that you act on them and would reject someone who doesn't fit them is empowering, and it's a thought you should embrace for your own sanity.

i recomend to visit my history

The problem isn't the ugliness without, it's the ugliness within.

Maybe in a long term relationship, but you must know this is bullshit right? I could be the most charming man on the planet and it wouldn't really matter because I'd never get a chance to show it. Not to mention, lots of women have no problems dating men with objectively bad personalities. Maybe it just matches their own, I don't know, but personality really comes second to looks. It matters, but not nearly as much.

If you'd read the story I posted, you'd know this is not bullshit, and I do believe it.

Saying you're "too ugly" is like saying you can't get a relationship because you poop sometimes. No matter how many examples I give you of people in relationships who poop, even people who just fuck but also poop, you'll never believe them because you're absolutely certain that pooping makes you unlovable. It's a hard wall to break through, but I hope you make the effort and get through it one day. There's hope, really; a lot of people go through a phase like this, and DO break through, and then wonder why they thought someone who poops ["is ugly"/"reads comics"/whatever unlovable trait you've picked out of nowhere] couldn't be loved.

I'm not saying it can't happen for ugly men, it's just much harder than you make it seem. And having a great personality means fuck all if you can't even get physical attraction.

The truth is, it's not your looks that are making it difficult. I swear to you. That 'cage' that was mentioned earlier? I believe you about that invisible cage. The thing is, no one put you in there, you put yourself in there, and every woman you meet can see it and smell it. You don't get rejected for being "too ugly." You get rejected because there's a beacon inside of you saying, "I'm too ugly, I'm too ugly" - the words you're saying to yourself - everyone can see those words. Another thing they see is your desperate hunger, it's palpable. So you go up to a girl, and even if you try to be "charming" or what not, your own dialog is always there for everyone to see every time. They see that you don't like yourself, and that you're desperately hungry. What you'll get from most girls when they see that is fear. The instinctual reaction, so deep they don't even know it's there, is: "well this person could just be really lonely, or I could wake up from a date with them tied up in a basement about to have my skin removed. RUN!" You look at that and say it's not fair, that you're not violent and would never hurt anyone. And I'll even agree with you that it isn't fair. But the problem is, your random girl on the street has no way of knowing which kind of person you are, whether you're the nightly skin flayer or just the lonely guy with an incredible depth of love to give. Since she doesn't know, she can only go with what her intuition tells her, which is to be afraid.

This, by the way, happens every bit with girls who are hungry and desperate and lonely. Guys can smell it too, and guys too are afraid and run from it, though they'd never put it in those words. They'd say to their buddies, "she's crazy, dude." and leave it at that, and the girl is left thinking that she was rejected because of her looks or because she was too nerdy, when in fact it was the smell of desperation she was giving off.

As I said, none of this is fair. It's deeply, painfully unfair. Especially since, as soon as you find a girl or guy who makes you feel comfortable and loved for the first time, this desperation evaporates and you can immediately understand why past you could never get laid. But getting there from here seems impossible!

Which is why I say: start with working on what's inside. Don't work on your personality for the sake of getting laid, just do it to be happier as a person. Take an interest in other people, men and women, take an interest assuming you won't get anything out of it, but just do it to learn about those around you and to discover empathy. Once you've done that, once the whiff of desperation is off you, you'll be amazed at how easy it is to get women to flock around you. I guarantee it.

The thing is, no one put you in there, you put yourself in there, and every woman you meet can see it and smell it.

I'm luckier than a lot of people here. But many of us have been treated like shit by girls/women long before we became jaded. I was put in this cage, if anything. I'm moreso speaking on behalf of the rest of this subreddit though, not so much myself.

and every woman you meet can see it and smell it. You don't get rejected for being "too ugly."

Interesting, didn't know women could smell me through tinder as well! Explains my 0 match count.

In real life, you'd have no clue I'm incel. I'm not desperate. I'm not hungering for sex. There's no beacon inside of me screaming insecurities, because I rarely think about it when I'm out and about.

this desperation evaporates and you can immediately understand why past you could never get laid.

The assumptions keep rolling in...

The only reason men may feel this way is because they are more attractive when they have a girlfriend. Women want what they can't have, this is backed up by basic biology.

Don't work on your personality for the sake of getting laid, just do it to be happier as a person.

You don't know me in real life, but I think my online persona is a poor match. I'm boring, but I don't recall anytime someone was turned off by my personality. Most people describe me as being really nice.

Also I'm quite happy, believe it or not. I'm just tired of incels being stereotyped in such a shitty way, so I defend it.

you and to discover empathy.

I probably have more empathy that your average human.

Once you've done that, once the whiff of desperation is off you, you'll be amazed at how easy it is to get women to flock around you.

Still assuming I'm desperate...

Still no women flocking to me...

I guarantee it.

False advertising, can I get a refund now?

What about trying options for dating that don't involve picture based filtering like Tinder?

I would bet my entire life savings you didn't looksmax nor did you put any effort towards it.

i am sorry i don't speak with dumb americans like you.

Your personality-maxing will surely bring returns soon.

but its necessary

I am a woman, and there was a time in my life that I probably would have considered myself an 'incel',

I stopped immediately right here.

Well, lads, I tried to reach out in hopes this would help someone out there who is lonely. How you react to that is up to you.

I am a woman...

You can't relate to us in any way. You were never incel.

I am a woman

stopped reading there

Which is why I kindly provided a story of my actual actions in the real world, so that you could see that I live what I speak.

STICKY THIS NOW

Pin this now.

If you guys want to be taken seriously and not seen as hateful then you need to remove comments/ ban people for saying misogynist crap. People don’t think incels are bad because they’re lonely and desperate, they think that because you call women “femoids” and “roasties” and say shit like women are stupider than men.

being misogynist is a part of being incel. If you are incel you should hate roasties

No, you're just part of those who believe that nonsense. No one needs to hate women.

Yes they do. They are to be hated after what happened

Hating women as a whole doesn't actually make sense. I understand disliking particular people because of their personality, but not an entire gender.

All females have rejected an incel just like me. Whether it be swiping left or calling an incel like me a creep for no reason. They have all done one thing or another

No, not "all" women. You don't know the actions of all women, only the few you've met in person or online.

Please tell me the secret of how you managed to get a left swipe from 3 billion people.

someone doesn't know how statistics works

I am entitled to hate whomever I want. I hate most of femoids. Incels will always be at the bottom of the social ladder and will never be taken seriously. It's over.

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Good description.

You fuckin idiots realize you're doing this to yourself. If you keep telling yourself this crap it's going to keep existing.

Should be up now :)

Believing nothing you do will make you good enough is not mentally healthy. That's defeatist, and it isn't based on science. Lions who hunt don't always catch prey, but if they try, they feed. If trying was not successful, their species would have died of starvation long ago. Apply that to every situation on the planet, and it's reasonable to conclude that trying to be successful eventually succeeds in some way. To believe that nothing can be done is delusional.

As for the ugly thing, it's more like this. If a bird wasn't successful flying, and it believed it was because its wings were a different color than the other birds, but it was really because its muscles weren't strong enough, that would be a delusion.

Since ugly people have relationships, it isn't a proven fact that ugly people cannot have relationships. So believing you are not having successful relationships SOLEY based on physical appearance is a delusion. That's not good science. And it's an unhealthy schema.

Humans are social mammals with a hierarchical social system. Comparing them to lions isn't bad science.

I don't assume I know your personal problems. But I know a mentally ill schema when I see one. Research distorted thought processes. They are the same across the board, and easily identifiable. This culture isn't special. You aren't special. You guys operate with the same processes as any other human.

Either way, my point stands. I wasn't really even implying one-night-stand type deals by the use of 'hooking up'. I could have chosen better wording, admittedly.

Lmao

Well, 2 and 5 can be examined. And real life does tell me that ugly people can get laid and also be in relationships. And people can improve. And learn how to do things better.

It takes some work. And others have it easier. But it can be done.

This is just filtered reality. When you filter everything to match your world view, you don't have reality. You just have your filtered version of it.

Hating women as a whole doesn't actually make sense. I understand disliking particular people because of their personality, but not an entire gender.

Which is why I kindly provided a story of my actual actions in the real world, so that you could see that I live what I speak.