But what if your personality changes to one of that enjoys going to the gym and has lower standards? Checkmate.

gymcels and bbws are a match made in heaven

going to the gym

As if that changed anything. Gym-is-cope.

most of the time those "personality" changes are because of physical changes like weight loss lmao

I had to make one change to my personality in order to escape inceldom; I had to force myself to drop all my bitter negative stereotypes about women and to assume, upon meeting a woman, that she had way more in common with me than I would have thought before.

Before that, women could apparently smell the bitterness coming off me and it was quite a repellent.

The repellent is all in the face region

That's probably just a cope.

I mean, I haven't seen your face and perhaps it's oozing pus and crawling with pus-eating spiders.

More likely, though, you're pushing people away and you don't want to take responsibility for that.

I dont have to push people away my ugliness does it for me

Cope.

Rope

Well it's certainly an easier option than acknowledging you might be doing something wrong.

What's your story? Did you ever get bullied or called ugly before? When did you lose your virginity? Did you get rejected much before meeting ur first gf?

When I was 13 I was smaller than all the boys in my class and all but two of the girls. I was like 5'3" and 90 pounds. Super late puberty. Slicked back hair, big square glasses because I thought square was manly.

I got beat up on a daily basis by boys I'd never even met before. They'd spit in my food, shove me into lockers. I spent two hours in a dumpster once, bleeding from scrapes all down my side, unable to get out. I didn't even call for help. Just sat in the garbage and cried.

Truth be told I didn't get rejected much at all because I didn't ask. Didn't seem like a lot of point in that. Even by the time I graduated high school I was only 5'6" and 130. I thought: who the fuck would want that? One time I called a girl a bitch, because she was being one, and she just laid me out in the library with one punch. What can I say. I lifted weights three times a week and she was still bigger and stronger than me and she wasn't even fat. Just an average, pretty girl.

Technically I lost my virginity at 19, but it was this unsatisfying thing with a single mother on the carpet of an empty trailer. Lots of carpet burn, no orgasms, and it didn't change much of anything for me.

I was nearly 21 when I had my first fulfilling and satisfying relationship with mutual love and good sex.

You don't sound like an incel at all, Just a dude who got bullied a lot and developed social anxiety for a couple of years after highschool.

Im older than you and still a virgin, and I did ask.

Well I'm not an incel anymore, but from 17 to 20 I was involuntarily celibate and undeniably blackpilled and would have been indistinguishable from the incels on this board. Until I had that trailer floor roll-around, I guess, at which point they'd start bullying me too and calling me a fakecel and insisting I GTFO.

Oh, and I've faced plenty of rejection in my life, including being told several times that I'm just plain too short. The girlfriend I had at age 20 wasn't exactly the last time I had to put myself out there.

There's a reason that like 90% of the guys here are in their early to mid 20s. A lot of us get our shit figured out eventually.

Yeah, when you hit 30 years old and foids starting looking for their betabux

It happens before that and i's not really about "bux." It's about wanting a relationship that's mutually supportive. That can involve financial security but even more often it involves emotional security, a sense of safety, a sense of having a partner.

If that's too "beta" for you, the blackpill is really and truly going to make you die alone.

"No one ever escaped inceldom " fixed it for you

If I escape inceldom in my 30s, was I really just a normie all along? I think about these things. It makes sense that an early-20s-cel that escapes wasn't really an incel, but what about oldcels?

oldcels rope

I'm in my 30s. No rope yet.

just w8

Elite virgin?

I don't know about that, but I've been one my whole life!

I hate how most people try to be nice and quickly bring up personality when it comes to dating/relationships. Its just confusing for everyone in the end. You cant calculate personality.

That's why you talk to people.

What about the people who start going out more, and meet someone they might not have otherwise met if they didn't do the thing they started doing (sports, clubs, meetups, classes, etc.)?

What if you’ve done all of that and still haven’t met the one?

Haven't you heard of "right place, right time"?

There was a post yesterday on IT about an ex-incel. You know what he did? He went on Tinder and met with girls, one of whom he fucked.

J.F.L.

It's a lot easier to blame everyone else for your problems except for yourself.

For the guys here that are genuinely very unattractive, I feel very bad and my heart goes out to them. But I know for a fact that is not all of them.

This is coming from someone that is a virgin at (almost) 20.

Most people here can’t just go on Tinder and get puss

Neither can I, but there's definitely hope man. Don't forget there's a lot of fucked up females (both physically and mentally).

All women are fucked up mentally

Ever think that maybe women hate you because you hate women?

Women hated us loooooooong before we started hating them.

look around you. Is it only women? No one, guy or girl, wants to be around a bitter hateful person regardless of what they look like. I'm friends with several guys who don't fit the society norm.

One is 310 (was I guess recently lost 50lbs) 5'6", complete nerd, plays video game, dnd, watches anime, etc (no judgement here, my husband does all those things too). But he is KIND person. He's never sitting around moping, blaming everyone else for his problems. He is constantly doing what he can to help othets. He has lots of friends with similar interests. He has currently been with the same girl since 9th grade and is about to propose.

My other friend is 5'1". Very pale, red-head. Same deal, no self-pity, no hate. And he's engaged.

I'm not saying you don't have it harder, but a lot of the reason guys like you are on this page is because you have turned your insecurities into hate and spite. I don't care if someone looks like a god, I for one would never be with someone like that.

Bullshit. Men respect me and are very polite to me IRL because I'm a gymcel. Women on the other hand treat me like absolute trash because I am ugly and Indian.

I don’t hate them, and it was a joke. Hell, lots of married men joke with women being insane.

Yeah but a LOT of people on here honestly do hate women.

I can’t argue with that. This is the only place they’re allowed to vent though. And they’re not hateful when normies don’t spout usual platitudes or advice.

That's definitely not true. There are a lot of extremely hateful comments and posts on this sub. It's like a lot of people have an "us vs them" mentality.

I never said there isn’t. I only said it has a reason. Most of the time.

Yeah, it's not really possible to "change" your personality. That's like growing taller.

You can act less irritating, but if you're boring/stupid/aspy/a huge asshole, then you can't really "fix" that.

Good personality = goodlooks

I am better looking than most of my friends and I am the only virgin amongn them. Ugly women exist man.

Also, even if you do have a RIDICULOUSLY low chance of getting out of being an incel, don't you think having a positive outlook on it will maximise your chances?

dunno brah. ive looksmaxxed, and still an incel.

I am better looking than most of my friends and I am the only virgin amongn them.

are you a manlet or a mentalcel. could be why your a virgin.

I'm 6'2. Pretty fucked in the head.

Fwiw, https://imgur.com/NfCVmPM. These guys went to my high school, so I know they're not just friends. They've been dating for like 4 years or something. The girl literally goes to Oxford, is very rich, and the guy is 5'6 or something. I dug the picture up because of a post saying 'show me the opposite' with a picture of an ugly girl and a good looking guy.

the manlet is pretty good looking

How is that good looking.....And dude the girl is like a 9, she's not just average or anything.

hes good looking by normie standards. good facial harmony, thin nose, not repulsive to look at. the girl looks like his looksmatch tbh.

I genuinely don't know how you think that. Each to his own I guess. Good luck to you man. I'm not even going to tell you you're crazy, I know stuff is fucked up, but I just feel like losing hope isn't the move. Let me put it this way, if I was an American citizen (I go to college in the US) and was able to buy a gun, I wouldn't be here right now because of how I was a couple months ago.

How is that good looking.....And dude the girl is like a 9, she's not just average or anything.

That girl is not a 9, that guy is not ugly or even average, as the other guy mentioned: looksmatch, but if not, then if anything, he's better looking than her, since male looks can't be faked-up with makeup. All you've done is demonstrate the 80/20 rule, if you think that guy is "below average."

Therapy, perhaps? Granted, whining on the internet is much easier but it doesn't seem to be working very well.

Muh therapy bro. Just talk it out bro

But I gotta keep circle jerking bro. Self improvement and helping myself couldn't possibly work bro

My dr suggests I meditate

Meditating is some dumb shit to be fair, I've been told that too but that wasn't helpful for me. Some things are better suited for some people; some people want some "crunchy" therapist, others want someone who will give it to them straight, some people prefer just having someone to listen while others want a therapist that'll help them critically analyze their behaviors and thoughts. Mental health is funny in that it's a uniquely personal experience.

All I'm gonna say is that my worldview and interpersonal relationships VASTLY improved with the addition of regular therapy and medication into my life. I understand it's not something everyone has access to, but if you do, literally what is the harm of giving it a shot?

If anyone escapes inceldom, it's gonna be solely due to random, dumb luck.

I’m a normie. I was pulling college “femoids” in high school. Was broke and an asshole. Looks are all that matter