Pass me the rope.

i got u fam

Let’s make it 3 knots and count me in

Hey dont hog it all!

that would be stacy

There are women out there that are kind, hard working, make their own money, are smart, and are just searching for a decent guy around their age and location.

LMAO I wish

maybe it’s bc they can feel your sexual ulterior motive

They don’t feel anything when they only speak in reply or need and don’t match with you on dating apps.

Doesn't stop them from getting pumped and dumped by Chad.

lowIQ

I know multiple people that only befriend chicks to pump and dump, and they have a scary high success rate. Why can't wymin "feel" their ulterior motives?

Also, I asked out female friends that I befriended with no ulterior motive. I'll let you guess the result.

Well those are hookups and purely sexual relationships. and usally girls don’t marry their hookup. But if not then maybe not idk

i’m not a straight girl

confirming alpha fucks beta bux theory.

If only they could feel the sexual ulterior motive of chad who gonna drill them then disappear the very same night.

Yeah that’s the point these relationships don’t last, it’s like a quick hookup and they won’t have to see each other again. it’s not love like at all.

Yes but you just said we get rejected because of our sexual ulterior motive, so which one is it?

it you want to get a gf then the best approach isn’t a sexual one, that makes most people uncomfortable, However if you and your partner are ok with the relationship and want to take it there, then you have every right to do so.

But with hookups they aren’t relationships it’s just sex.

and once again i’m really a girl anymore so like i can’t say this for sure.

But with hookups they aren’t relationships it’s just sex.

I said nothing about relationship, you said they can sense "sexual ulterior motive" as if it was a bad thing and that's why we get turned down, and I told you funnily enough they don't sense the ulterior motive of good looking guys. But I'm just playing dumb here you and I know you're just making excuses.

You're a cuck.

just searching for a decent guy around their age and location.

So the perfect guy would be chad. and a decent guy would be Chadlite near that girl?

Location theory strikes again

What’s location theory?

That sounds like me...

Singles in your area!

Are you advertising yourself again, Board? heh

tsk-tsk-tsk-tsk.

Too bad they are all fat

Fat people are fun to have sex with too,you're being needlessly picky.

Fat women are disgusting. I'm physically repulsed by fatties.

Then you're guilty of the same thing you accuse women of,writing someone off based on looks without getting to know the rest of the person.

I don't accuse women of anything. Yes, if you are fat girl, you can be the best person in the world, it doesn't matter, because I'm not sexually attracted to you, and never will be. We can be friends, but I will never have sex with you. Yes, women feel the same about ugly men. It's normal.

Weight is easily changeable, face/height/race not.

Then dating a fat girl should be even less of an issue,just encourage healthier eating habits if you end up really falling for the girl.

I’m a gymcel and fat girls don’t give me a chance.

Somehow, they passed over a lot of us based on how many guys there are on foreveralone, incelswithouthate and some of the people here.

Did you make the effort to get to know any of them?

Of course not, that would take them blame off their self!

Like anyone wants to get to know ugly, anxious men.

Give yourself a chance.

"decent guy"

"decent" standing for handsome AND other qualities, but if you don't pass the looks threshold it doesn't matter.

"Decent" means kind and moral.

With a good looking face.

What about a 4/10 guy?

With some luck he can get a ugly girl, but only with luck and if he haves much more to offer, on the other hand a 4/10 woman with nothing to offer can easily get someone to sex/date.

What about all the unattractive men in happy long-term relationships? Or marriages even? Just wondering? :")

They had good looking enough faces to make their partners feel attracted for them, isn't it obvious?

it's not actually. Do you know what falling in love is? I'm not talking about attraction, do you know what it is like to fall in love? Usually it happens when you get to know a person better. There isn't such a thing as love at first sight. Attraction, yeah, but not love. So people start talking and get to know each other. Maybe they know each other for months, maybe for years. The more they get to know the other, the more they become attracted to them. Because they fall in love, it's a slow process. It's like it's with friends. Do you have any friends? Maybe they're attractive and you knew that at some point. Or maybe they aren't and you knew THAT at some point. But the longer you know them and the more you like them you can't see it anymore. You can't be objective anymore. You'll look at them and you'll know affection and that's the only thing that is certain. YOU think they're attractive. But you don't know anymore if it's because they really are attractive or just because you know them so well and like them so much. Real affection is a subjective matter. Purely. At this point it doesn't matter if strangers would point at that person and would say "this one is ugly!" or "this one is attractive!" because it's not what you see anymore. You just see the person you like.
Anyone who says real affection is just about looks never experienced real affection. Not platonic, not romantic affection. And if you really can't romantic affection, start befriending people, maybe even women.

Well as my username states I'm a normie and being a normie I've had lots of relationships and yes, I have fallen in love. Well your point is correct, but you didn't address the physical attraction that a person feels for the other person in order to love him. Can you fall in love for someone who you find very ugly? Well, it can happen because you can fall in love for other qualities, but is it likely to happen? In my experience is easier to find an unicorn than someone who is in love with a person who they think is very ugly.

but that's exactly what my point was. At one point you don't look at a person anymore like you did in the beginning. You won't be able to really know how they appear for others, all you know is that you're attracted to them because you know who they are. I have friends that have the "flaws" I despise on myself but with them I couldn't care less. I don't love them less, I don't find them less attractive. With them I could except everything I hate on myself (I'm talking about the out appearance) because as soon as I get to know and love people it doesn't matter anymore. Real attraction is learned, not seen on one glance.

Friendship is another subject, lets keep this about dating/sex. And being about it I stand my point that in my experience someone can be romantically attracted for someone he/she find physically hideous, but it's just not likely to happen, like once at each Harley comet.

that immediatley disqualifies the vast majority of incels...

So what's the price for satellite? I was thinking of switching from Bell.

Not us. They hate us because of something we can't control.

Yep because I’m 6’3, built, and tan. That’s the only reason women choose which men to be with. Definitely not the ideology bred here or self deprecating attitude you all spew.

Yes looks have something to do with it, but that isn’t all of it. You “incels” are easy to spot because you have an underlying hatred to women that they’re capable of picking up on. You need to change your outlook on the world

Fuck off with your generalizations.

Hmmm...maybe this subreddit should fuck off with theirs? See the hypocrisy?

My partner is 5’6” and his N count is in the triple digits.

Wow, I totally believe this.

Don’t care if you believe it. It is true. He has cheekbones that look like they are chiseled from marble and in his 20s he had that Ralph Macchio ageless thing going on.

kind of defeats the argument if hes a godly looking chad, height matters to normoids

Imagine what it could've been if he was over 6ft, damn.

Lol that’s not the point. Do you think no 5’5 man has ever found love? It completely has to do with your attitude.

I’m not evading the question. It was a valid retort. Of course height has benefits, however, it isn’t the sole determining factor. Don’t live a life of victim hood. Look at yourselves. Did your mother raise you guys to hate women like this? What if you had a daughter? Would you ever allow another man to talk about her in such negative light as this sub discusses women?

You “incels” are easy to spot because you have an underlying hatred to women that they’re capable of picking up on.

No they can't, if they did then good looking misogynists would never get into relationships, let alone marriages.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8gdbxf/brutal_black_pill_experiment_success_i_caught_two/

here are two women aware of our supposed underlying hatred of women, and they still wanted to talk. Why? Because dude catfished as a somewhat attractive dude

Ok, fine. Let’s discuss this. Conversation 1 is a clusterfuck and I can’t tell if he’s talking to a guy at first or what. Can’t follow that conversation. Conversation 2 he clearly apologizes and says “sOrRy I wAs JuSt TrOlLiNg.” The internet is a cesspool at times. There are women who probably feel the same as all of you in this subreddit. These women even claim they’re lonely, anxious, and have never found love either. It’s desperation for affection. They saw the picture and sure, probably thought, “wow he’s attractive.” The truth is just that. Desperation for affection by specific individuals. This is not indicative of an entire population of women. This what happens when you don’t log off the internet and go live a meaningful life. Nothing of what I’m saying will get through to any of you. You’ve engrained this behavior to hold true through all aspects of life when it isn’t an accurate depiction of the world. If one of you ever wants to actually seek legitimate advice, feel free to message me. I would genuinely like to discuss anything that is ailing and try to be a supportive resource.

Reported for repeated generalizing comments.

u/GeneticCleansing, ban this fucking normie, if you please.

oh splendid, i didn't have to read anything this guy said

:D

Shut the fuck up. Blue pilled cuck.

Females and chads were made for each other.

put a bullet in my head, it's over

my mom and I were watching basketball and my team lost and I was like 'it's over' and it felt so weird actually saying those words out loud

Chad only picks the best for his fantasy league.

the warriors are gigachaf

100% true.

looks are a barrier of entry tho

Everything is barrier of entry if its sufficiently low

most things are changeable, looks arent

Looks are changable to the same degree most arent things important in dating are

you can consistently improve social skill and humour from having friends and socialising with them often. you cant change the bones in your face and your skin colour though

you cant change the bones in your face and your skin colour though

same as you cant change your being introverted, quiet, asocial weird etc. It doesnt matter what makes you incel, you are fucked either way

a good looking introvert doesnt have trouble unless they live like a hermit, ugly extroverts get brutally rekt though

womens minimum requirements for looks are astronomicly high.

Cope, not for entry. To stay, maybe, but I have to call cope on this.

Absolutely agree.

There are women out there who are hard-working, and have good careers that pay them a lot of money.

And yet, on average, a femoid will suck out more money from the budget than they will put back with taxes.

That’s really a reflection on the males intellect and socio economic status if that’s the case. Nonetheless, sugar daddies exist, but they’re in the very few.

This is the most truth I've ever heard of in this sub.

Sup faggot.

Sup virgin.

Stronger than you, bitch.

Hmm that's why you sent me a dead link. Makes sense. Keep gymceling lil bitch. Make sure you work out your left forearm so it'll even out with your right too. LOL fucking bitch boy. You wouldn't know what to do with a girl if she fell in your pants.

That's why you didn't watch. Stupid fag. Bet you can barely lift the pink dumbbells.

Pussy.

gym coping at it's finest. HAHA.

You should be thankful I'm gymcelling as a form of stress relief rather than going ER on you and your family.

So an Incel and a keyboard warrior. Lol, I guess I touched a nerve. Keep lifting those imaginary weights and sending bad links. Let me know if you can actually fuck a girl without forcing yourself on her. Deleting your video was definitely proof that your face looks like dog turd.

Keep your eyes open. I'll be making a fitness topic soon to prove to you and these fucking normies that even though I'm fit, it means nothing without the face.

This and this alone is why I'm incel: FACE.

Pussy.

So you're admitting you're an ugly son of a bitch. Got it.

Someone forgot what being an incel is.

So you're admitting that you're retarded?

Jesus we got a Brick humper here.

I can back you up. I’ve been working out 6 days a week for the last 2.5 years and it has really done nothing to help. Sure I love it and do it for me but if I had done it to get laid I’d have wasted years for nothing. I actually got laid when I was chubby but not now being ripped lol. Being buff doesn’t matter at all. It’s all face and height. I love being ripped but I still wanna kill myself for being a Manlet. Nothing like being ashamed of something you can’t change but that’s life I used

Post your pic.

https://youtu.be/gvdf5n-zI14

You said you're fit right? And that the only thing holding you back is your supposedly ugly mug. So show us the proof then. I wanna see this hot body that still overshadowed by your face.

I mean I can say that I ended world hunger but unless I back it up, it doesn't mean anything.

No. I'll post lifting videos soon though, my own topic even, to help dispell this stereotype about incels being fat basement dwellers. Actually gives me a reason to train harder the next few weeks.

That's good. Happy for you. But I hope you will stop beating yourself over "not looking attractive enough". That's not healthy.

But kudos to your fitness journey.

I'm not beating myself up, I'm pointing the finger. Don't give a shit how you people feel about it anymore.

And thanks.

All fucking true. Curse my subhuman face.

There are women out there who contribute a lot to charity, volunteer

for the ego boost it gives them, and for virtue signaling

That doesn't make any sense. If they judge you on your face then they aren't nice and are in fact an empty animalistic vessel, like the other 90%+ of humanity. It's not a secret that the average person is a herd animal driven on instinct.

If a woman judges on your appearance than she isn't actually a nice person, she has the appearance of a nice person. You're another simple shallow idiot like 90% of the people here.

Who the fuck changed the format to "top"? This site is cuckolded now. I'm going to start a group for insulting women and catfishing them. Enjoy the fakecel cuckold show this place has become.

"Nice"

Yeah...

the same people that make fun of nice saying they're nice while judging a guy's face and height...yeah..."nice"

other 90%+ of humanity

Try 99.99999% boyo, this also includes incels, there no such thing as being inherently rational beings, its all biology the thing that drives our lifes.

Dude, seriously?

"I've been rejected so I'm lashing out"?

Do you need a hug?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_selection?wprov=sfla1

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Legit

BRB, gonna drive to the rope store.

Can we share a cab m8?

Can you run me over with that cab?

LDAR in the street, and I will be your Final Solution.

NO IT'S MY CAB NOT YOURS

The "rope store?" Does your town have a "Hammer Store" too?

Yes. It also has a ass-dildo store. Maybe we can hook up in the parking lot?

Being genetically inferior sucks........I just wish people in the future fully embrace genetic engineering so nobody have to suffer like we do, condemned to see humanity true face until we are dead.

Genetic engineering wouldn’t work like that. All it would do is raise the standards.

It has to be for everyone, free, like UBI but for genes.

hypergamy is also genetics and can be changed. Also it woudltn really raise the standards. if someone is attractive and pleasent to look at, why would i care if theres someone who is a bit more attractive?

Attractiveness is both objective and relative. Women want the best men relative to others determined by objective traits. In a theoretical world where genetic engineering has made the average man a lot closer today’s Chad, nothing would change because attractiveness is a percentile, not a flat number.

You are rigth, even with genetic engineering not everybody can be a Chad....But at least Incels will not exist, that's enough for me

But at least Incels will not exist.

Incels would still exist. Attractiveness does not exist in a vacuum. It’s percentile based, meaning the bottom x% if men will be Incels in this future regardless of how attractive they are by today’s standards.

Incels would still exist

No they will not, i know this can be hard to eat, but uglyness can be defined as having facial characteristics that are "out" of how a NORMAL face should look, if incels exists in a world with Eugenics, it will be mostly mentalcels, truecels will be a thing of the past.

we need a mix of genetic engineering and an Islamic caliphate

NORMAL human face should look

Genetic engineering would push the standard of normal human face extremely high.

No, Your nose looks human? your eyes are from another planet or normal? do you have jawline at all? those things are what made ugly people ugly and they will be gloriously fixed by technology.........so don't matter how high they push, ugly people will dissapear.

Hey, Ub2w, just a quick heads-up:
dissapear is actually spelled disappear. You can remember it by one s, two ps.
Have a nice day!

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Looks are relative. The threshold for “no jawline” will raise with genetic engineering, as would the threshold for strange eyes and nose.

No they are not, do you even think why truecels are such a low percentage of the population, even in fucking incel communities? is because our face are anomalies, our father, our grandfather, and nobody that haves our bloodline have those same features.

By Screeching a baby before is born and being capable to alter him, you will basically eliminate uglyness, because one thing is preferences, other are requirements about how a Face should look like.

I think if everyone was attractive it would mean no one would be. Meaning it wouldn't really be an advantage anymore, so you'd need other things to make you "attractive" (i.e. , personality, money, status, fame, intelligence, sense of humor). If everyone literally had the same face what else is there to judge by?

100%. Numale enviro-cucks who say on TV that genetic engeneering is bad because we should just accept oursleves for what we are make my blood boil. They're always good looking too, so you can tell they have no idea what being genetic trash feels like

Lol idk if genetic engineering would help with that. As ChromeHomeDome says above, "Genetic engineering wouldn’t work like that. All it would do is raise the standards."
If someone is not good looking, there's a larger chance that their parents are on the plebian side, and could not afford it. Then guess what? All the rich become superhuman, and ugly people are literally subhuman and are hunted for sport.

All the rich become superhuman, and ugly people are literally subhuman and are hunted for sport.

implyieng this isnt already the case.

After this blackpill, I believe it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8gdbxf/brutal_black_pill_experiment_success_i_caught_two/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Braincels

Absolutely brutal

People think that guy is attractive? What

The roasts apparently do.

I mean I'm a straight woman and I think he looks like a poorly drawn distorted comic book character lol Why does everyone think having a crimson chin makes you "chad" and irresistible

woman

Shut the fuck up.

I'm sorry youre having such a rough time, dude. Needlessly aggressive or not, I really feel sorry for you.

Fuck off, roast.

Mmmnncant tell if being facesious

Everything out of your mouth is a lie, cunt.

O ok you are joking then lmao Honestly its really hard to decipher who on this sub is fucking with people to be edgy and who is genuinely distraught and upset lmao

Cunt. Roast. Femoid. Bitch.

guess this one's the latter.

You wish.

what

I dunno reflex, normie says something, I disagree.

You tell me what.

why does this make me want to keep talking XD. +1 for bizarre midnight dialogue

It is literally 4:20 here.

ditto. Working grave yard shift atm, so I'm up all night, too. No traffic on the roads, no noise. What's that song, Graveyard, by NoMeansNo?

o/~ I like the graveyard shift It's quiet, I can read all night I don't mind wearing a uniform I don't mind walking in the dark You make your rounds, you check all the locks And when the sun rises, when everyone is getting up You punch out and go home o/~

If I had to work your typical job again, I would choose the graveyard shift.

It's my goal to never work a typical job ever again, and if I do, it's to buy more time.

I want to make full use of the time I have left, especially the hours between dusk and dawn where I feel the most creative.

Shut up dude haha

Fuck off, faggot.

let me guess, you think women are repelled by your looks? :D

Without question.

Heh

Do you have to announce your gender?

I'm getting the vibe based on your subreddits and reddit karma score you are absurdly fat so you subconsciously filter out in shape 'Chad's and go for chubbier 6/10 dudes. Most obese and ugly girls do this. Instinctually when a girl is uglier she knows she has no chance to stay dating a Chad so she naturally lowers her standards. But other women who aren't obese don't have to do that.

I'm genuinely curious how my subreddits are somehow an indication of obesity lmao

no they have personality sensors that go “beep beep” around you TEE HEE

females

not sluts

loyal

LOL

they’re loyal to one thing: ingesting as much chad semen as possible

The most brutal pink pill is that there are women who are nice, kind, motivated, have achieved things in life and are ugly, but no man wants them because of that last characteristic.

Don't play dumb. We all know personality and achievements count more for men then for women. Studies show it.

The accomplished ugly men will pass up the accomplished ugly women in favour of prettier less accomplished women.

The unaccomplished attractive men will pass up the accomplished ugly women in favour of prettier less accomplished women.

An ugly accomplished woman can only get an ugly unaccomplished man, ie. the omega. You could be with these women, but you choose the prettier ones.

men care about looks more than women

WRONG

these women can't get a top attractive Chad and are sad about it, they could get an incel but don't

Yes they do date incels and that's why you don't hear them complain. The incels here refuse to date ugly women though that's why they are single.

that's not true, it just isn't

If they did, this sub and foreveralone wouldn't exist, yet it does.

No, there aren't. Even the literally ugliest woman in the world has had relationships.

Because women aren't picky.

L O L? By now I know you're trolling, because I refuse to believe that someone can be so stupid.

Studies literally show that men care more about dating a woman who is pretty than a woman who is nice kind motivated and accomplished

Wanna create an average looking man and average looking woman tinder account then check how many matches each get after a week? Surely the guy one will blow up since women care less about look than men. What do you say?

The point is that OP is a filthy liar.

I asked you a simple question.

No, you didn't ask a simple question, you dumbly avoided what I was saying. The OP is just false.

1) An accomplished woman will reject you because you're not accomplished enough, not because you are ugly.

2) Men will prefer a pretty unaccomplished woman over an accomplished ugly woman.

Wanna create an average looking man and average looking woman tinder account then check how many matches each get after a week? Surely the guy one will blow up since women care less about look than men. What do you say?

Since you like Tinder experiments so much, why don't you make an account with a smoking hot woman who hasn't accomplished anything in life versus a very ugly woman who is kind and has accomplished things in life, then report back on who got the most messages. Surely the the ugly one will blow up since men care so much about accomplishments?

News flash: a pretty woman gets like 20 times the tinder messages of an ugly woman while a handsome man only gets like 3 times the messages of an ugly man. Men are so much more shallower than women.

Neither the op or I ever implied that men would pick an ugly accomplished woman over a pretty unaccomplished one. All op said is that not all women bring nothing to socety and are unfaitful sluts, but even then you had to take it as an attack because that's what worthless cunts like you do, you make a living out of being a victim and you're a waste of breath and my time. You're everything op wasn't talking about. Get out.

He said accomplished women would reject him for being ugly, that's a filthy filthy lie because:

1) An accomplished woman would reject him for being unaccomplished not ugly. Studies support this.

2) OP is strongly implying that rejecting on looks is a thing that women do, but women actually care more about status and less about looks compared to men, so it's utter bullshit to say that "nice kind motivated accomplished women" reject men based on looks.

What he really should say is that:

STACY will reject him for being unaccomplished and unattractive.

Normal-looking accomplished women will reject him for being UNACCOMPLISHED.

But incels only want stacies and don't want to take responsibility, so they somehow boil it down to women rejecting them for their looks.

has to change his position complettly after only 1 answer because of how stupid it was

top kek, you normies are really masters of debating.

Yes and no. The entry barrier to a sexual marketplace for men and women are placed at a very different height. You must have severe face deformities to be a female incel.

For men, it;s different. If you are not pretty, you get stuck being a virgin, and being a virgin is a -50 modifier to your (not great even without it) sexual market value. I'd say that there are thousands male incels for every female incel

The point is that the OP is a huge load of bullshit. Accomplished women don't refuse to date ugly men nearly as much as accomplished men refuse to date ugly women. Women literally care more about status and less about looks while men care more about looks and less about status. The OP about men looking for accomplished women and being turned down because of looks is utter bullshit.

The point is that the OP is a huge load of bullshit.

OP is mostly right, but I don't entirely agree with his post, you can read it in my other comment in this thread.

Accomplished women don't refuse to date ugly men nearly as much as accomplished men refuse to date ugly women.

True. There multiple reasons behind it.

liar r/blackpillscience

Finally, this is the true and FINAL blackpill

The only cope to this would be all the beta numales getting cucked all the misery that comes with divorce etc...

This is an ER pill

This

The real blackpill is shedding yourself of all the MGTOW/TRP bullshit and realizing the world DOES work exactly like how your mother taught you, except you aren't part of it because you're not attractive. Chad and Stacey have happy dates, healthy sex, and a beautiful marriage. They grow old together, the spark that brought them together never dying.

This is Incel cope. Redpill Chads know better, because there are always other, more Chadly Chads around, and women's hypergamy directs them towards the biggest Chad in immediate proximity. Even Chad is never safe, can never stop "gaming" his woman, especially if he is married to her, or he's asking for a cucking.

I think the effects of hypergamy are far weaker as long as the male partner is in the realm of the top males. In other words, the female desire for monogamy and committment overrides the desire to get the absolutely top of the line genes. If youre beta then yeah hyoergamy is in full swing. This is why a 7 male can have what OP mentions as long as the girls smv is below his.

Like you said, this is the true blackpill. Mgtow cope by thinking love doesn't exist, but it does, only if you're in the privileged class of men that can elicit it.

Exactly. The bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Most people understand this.

Chads and Stacies treat eachother better than they do incels. Literally no MGTOW or Redpiller denies this.

Is that why the most desirable celebrity chads go through the most bitter, evil divorces?

Nah, sorry incels, it's not a good world out there. Stacey seems kind when she's flush with cash and privilege, but she has a reptilian brain and has dished more abuse in her lifetime than most men.

The true and final blackpill is when you realize that everything you said was true---except the reason that it will never be any of you is because you're pathetic, disgusting misogynists. There are guys out there right now with weaker jaws and smaller wrists who are loved by good women because they're good men. You all are fundamentally broken and that's why you're alone.

You know jack shit about who we are in real life.

Correction, no one wants to know you in real life. People tend to avoid those who's lives revolve around self-victimization. Pretending its all about your looks is a defense mechanism because deep down you know its not your looks but who you are as a person. Why would anyone bother? If the opposite were true and people despised you simply because of your looks then that would be easy enough to change. But, its not. Else this sub wouldn't be needed in order to have other ppl to talk to who are just as repugnant as you.

Jesus christ, the fucking projection/armchair psychology. Just lol at this.

Lol at this nonsense. Meanwhile there are guys who beat the shit out of women daily and have friends...but you know, hurrr durr we're disgusting misogynists!

Eminem was considered to be a "misogynist" back in the day, yet that didn't stop him from getting pussy, did it? That didn't stop him getting a shit ton of women fans, did it? John Lennon was considered to be a "misogynist". Again...did that stop him from getting pussy? Did that stop him from being likable? Did that stop him from making friends? The answer is no

You people are so fucking stupid.

Low iw

Chad will die surrounded by his wife, kids and friends. You will die hanging by your neck in your closet.

If a relationship with women is all you seek in life, that's honestly really sad. And I don't mean in a condescending way, genuinely saddening

How dare people want romantic conncetions with other people

That's not what I said, don't twist my words.

I said if that is ALL you are seeking in life, that is saddening.

how dare people want something 90% of the population has effortlessly

relationships are hard for everyone. No one finds love without putting forth effort

Then why are or were most people in relationships. If it was that hard for an average person, not this many people would get them.

Because those people put forth effort and don't completely shutdown because a girl denied them.

I said it's hard, not impossible.

he fell for the effort and personality meme

If you approach ever woman as if they are a slut (which this sub does) then you will remain single. And the only ones at fault for that are yourselves

There is a whole sub created for the sole purpose of mocking guys who think they can get women with their amazing personalities.

If a woman likes your appearance, you’ve won. She doesn’t you lost. Personality is irrelevant

That isn't true for every woman, and you just proved my point

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8gdbxf/brutal_black_pill_experiment_success_i_caught_two/?st=JGOQOH9D&sh=88cc480f

Show me one exception

> that isn't true for every woman

Women are allowed to not be attracted to you. I never said personality is all that matters, you assumed that was my standpoint, it isn't. Obviously physical appearance matters to an extent, but you don't have to look like a male model for women to be into you. But there are women who don't care about physical appearance as much as others. But if you assume every woman only has interest in those men then you fail the test before you even take it

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/8a530l/what_attractsrepulses_women_the_most_marginal/?st=JGORD0AC&sh=6972c325

Recommended reading if you still think women don’t have uniform expectations.

It's not a thought. There are less than unattractive men in relationships with women

Hint: those women settled. Did you read the conclusions from the research?

I don't know why I bother. You're all set in your ways and nothing will make you see the error.

I genuinely hope you do find happiness in some way. I've seen people talk about killing themselves, I assume its a joke to go along. if it isn't, talk to someone.

I just linked you research. You didn’t even read it. I’m not the one set in my ways. If you have any conflicting research, please do link it, I’m more than happy to read things that don’t correspond to my preconceptions.

I don't know why I bother.

Nothing beats those virtual grandstanding points, that's why.

I didn't know about inceldom and related communities until after 25, what's your exucse for the fact that I had zero success pre 25?

Maybe the women you went after just weren't interested?

Maybe you have a shit personality and it turned women off immediately

I don't know you, I don't know how those interactions went, so there's no way for me to answer that question. What I do know is that as I've said, women are not inclined to be interested in you just because you showed interest in them. Women do not HAVE to be attracted to you

Maybe the women you went after just weren't interested?

I didn't know women carried a little post it on their face mentioning if they're interested in me or not.

Maybe you have a shit personality and it turned women off immediately

Shit personality that plenty of women enjoyed when interacting online which they suddenly hated as soon as pictures or webcam were exchanged? Yeah, right.

I do know is that as I've said, women are not inclined to be interested in you just because you showed interest in them. Women do not HAVE to be attracted to you

I do know is that as I've said, women are not inclined to be interested in you just because you showed interest in them. Women do not HAVE to be attracted to you

No, you made a blanket statement saying we approach women as if they're slut.

Like I said, women are not inclined to be into you. Some women put more stock in physical attraction than others

That's not what you said.

If you approach every woman as if they are a slut (which this sub does) then you will remain single.

read the entire comment chain. Yes it is what I said

And this is not the post to which I responded and asked you a simple question but you're just being evasive on purpose.

So because you didn't read the entire conversation, I'm being evasive?

No you're being evasive because you still refuse to adress my very first question.

It wasn't a simple question, and I did answer it.

I'm not a woman, I don't know why you had no luck. Women are not a 1 size fits all, they're not all the same.

Or maybe women are only attracted to good looking people as research has shown countless of times.

thats just wrong. relationships come naturally for most people. especially women. the only effort someone has to put in is getting bron with the right genes

It's a crime to even think about romantic connections if you're ugly

yeah lmao if you want to be loved and appreciated as a person you're fucking pathetic you should be happy being a dumb make working on some dumb construction projects or whatever nerdy shit you do that will benefit humanity but not yourself hahaha

OR MAYBE, just maybe.... people here already have other things going in their life and they just lack a romantic connection with a woman?

Sounds crazy I know.

sex is a basic need, its only everything if you cant get it

A ugly man will careermax is whole life just so he can betabux his looksmatch. But anything a women does, is just more fuel for her to justify why she deserves chad. That’s the difference

Part of the reason they love Chad so much is that despite all the success many women have today, the top-tier men who have it all reach a level of success and genetic prestige no woman will ever touch.

Well yeah. I’m literally autistic but I get girls because of my looks. I’ve done some fucking cringe aspie shit, like once I clapped twice, spun in a circle, and stomped my feet left to right. because I didn’t know what to do when a cute girl tried to kiss me. She laughed and brushed it off and I ended up dating her lmfao

But... There's also women like this... who are also ugly.

And they also only want Chad

Gold digger theory is wrong. Femoids with high socioeconomic status will still prefer Chads, no matter how poor.

I mean, there are still gold diggers. It’s just become more expensive. Women won’t settle for a ugly man with a stable 100K income. They would settle for a ugly man if he were a billionaire though.

Yeah lemme become a billionaire real quick so I can take them out to coffee on my cruise ship instead of Starbucks like a fucking rapist would.

This isn't your standard blackpill, this is a suicide pill.

You know, I really wish my father went to a different university and never met my mother.

I’m too fucking weak to kill myself

I went out for dinner tonight with my girlfriend. There was a deal on for $5 pizza at a locally owned independent pizza shop. She texted me about it earlier today and told me it would be her should since I had brought her some cheap earrings the other day.

The pizza was really nice but the company was the best. We talked about her coworkers and how she's interested in getting a ped cockitiel since our landlord will only allow birds.

Sadist

There are decent women out there, but you'll never experience that because you were born short and ugly. Chad on the other hand constantly experiences the best that women have to offer

Yes and no. Women you talk about (nice, kind, motivated, achieved things in life) are rarely good looking, statistically. Out of 1000 women, 50 will be of this kind, and only 1 of them will be 7+.

Chad can only have a best looking woman as his official GF (otherwise he will take a huge hit to SMV). Most Chads I know date/marry 8+ thots, and constantly unhappy with their relationships.

These women mostly end up with an overachiever normie - not for his resources, but because they want an equal partner.

Male overachievers are rarely good looking too.

Good looking people of both sexes are lazy and arrogant. They don't have to work hard to have nice things, they get everything handed to them on a silver plate from a very young age. They don't have reasons to perfect marketable skills or work on their personality.

It's very nice while you are young, but they lose to overcompensating ugly/ugly+ people in the long run.

There are good looking, accomplished people. You'll know when you see them.

Show me a good looking scientist or a good looking renowned engineer/inventor. Show me a good looking female writer from the 19th/20th century.

Good looking people can only be successful in areas where looks matter. Acting, modeling, journalism, politics. They have no reason to work as hard as ugly people, and they are not used to it, so they are very unlikely to succeed in areas where your work means everything, and your looks mean nothing.

Good looking as tall natural 8+? No, never. Good looking as looksmaxed/wee-dressed/fit 5-6s? Yes.

I also know two girls in engineering, both are around 5'2", and have gorgeous, amazing faces and tight little bodies. They will also make it far in life because engineering companies preferentially hire women in engineering.

That is my point. They are looksmaxed/fit 5-6s who will do reasonably well as diversity hires. They will not become the next Marie Curie.

Four years ago in my orientation week, I met a 6'6" good looking white guy who was going to do his double major in engineering and economics. He also plays soccer.

He will never become the next Einstein. He has no reasons to work hard.

Only ugly people drive humanity forward.

Also pretty much no hot politicians or members of Congress.

You are wrong. Good looks and charisma are mandatory for career in politics. Women vote for attractive men.

Um ... dude? Just turn on the TV. State houses and Congress are spilling over with ugly dudes. Mitch McConnel looks like a fucking turtle. Sure, some of them are good looking, but charisma is way more important, and you don't have to be good looking to have that. Or tall. Napolean was short as hell.

Not everyone in congress is directly electable. Some men are just good at internal politics.

Must be why Trump fired Comey - the only guy in the room who was taller than he is.

Only a handful of people drive humanity foward. Your average incel also will never be the next Einstein.

Hey, Ode2ANightinglale, just a quick heads-up:
foward is actually spelled forward. You can remember it by begins with for-.
Have a nice day!

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Incel has a higher chance than Chad. I don't have any proof, it's just my theory.

Truth. Intelligence matters most to intelligent people. Smart people want someone who doesn't bore them to death in a real relationship. Smart, capable people with good character want someone they can respect - an equal. That kind of respect creates a love that can sustain.

the endpill

A pill to rule them all.

Saying this on /r/MGTOW will get you banned

Not wrong. MGTOW is very... Close-minded let's say.

So instead of trying you’ll sit here and make excuses like little bitches instead of seizing what could be yours?

Cowards.

Short isn't a big deal, non shallow women don't give a crap about that.

They want nothing to do with you because you have serious personality issues. If you were good looking you might get laid, but that would be it for most women - they wouldn't stick around for your looks and awful misogyny.

Still better than having nothing.

So what I mean is, regardless of your (perceived or not) physical attractiveness (which is largely possible to change), if you change the personality issues I just mentioned, women will find you (more) attractive.

I wouldn't have fucked and dated the women I did if I was ugly, I got lucky to have good genes (not good enough to achieve something good, but still). My personality only mattered after I passed the looks threshold.

That's the same for everyone though. Everyone get judged initially on their appearance, and then on their personality. Though for different judg-ers and judg-ees the time between which they use do judge is different

Also, your outrage is immediately perceived as cringey and childish when you claim that you are treated inhumanely then in the same breath say you'd never fuck a 7

Literally not incel have ever said this ever, this is just the popular perception the public DECIDE to have about incels to cope, saying theirselves that the world is just and great because they are happy in it

We are not the, Common man, we are barrel trash, the bottom of the bottom, i never managed to find an woman that was as ugly as me, even the "ugly" females of my class treated me the same that average or hot ones.

You can't demand that people be attracted to you though. Women will validate you and your body if you become attractive in some way - and it doesn't have to be physical.

Ok sorry I misunderstood. I'll start with your height: of course there will be some women for whom that will be a turnoff, but there are also many more for whom it is not. Would you turn down a woman because of her height? Could you not just find a woman your height or shorter?

Now your face. I have no idea how you look. However, shaving well (ie, grow a beard, or properly shave it) and at least a decent haircut (one that works with your head) makes a massive difference. Additionally, eating well and moderate exercise will change how your face looks for the better. Ok now let's assume that you possess the ugliest male face on earth (extremely unlikely). If we are calculating fucking people and relationships based on physical attraction, just find someone as ugly or uglier. Or, more like the real world, think about what you have going for you aside from physical attraction: do you have talents, or are you funny, or clever/witty, or a good storyteller, etc...

Do you get my point? You are not stuck like this.

just lift bro

are personalities are great in fact that is why so many women come here, to see some real men talk. the looks are another story tho.

are you serious? If your personalities were great, you would have fewer issues with women.

are personalities are great in fact that is why so many women come here

'here' being 'a subreddit notorious for its hatred towards women'. Great personalities

Yes very true. There are plenty of smart beautiful and decent women out there. They just don't want us. Hell scrap the beautiful part and just go with smart and decent, they wouldn't want us either.

Great blackpill

I am a coper too, you‘re right man

Remove „short“

Exactly.

There are also women that are nice, kind, loyal, have achieved things, etc...

But you (incels) don’t want them because they are one or both of the following:

• Fat
• Unattractive (Sub 4/5)

So, you played yourself.

thats so funny. Your argument is so bad that even if the premise was true ("incels reject unattractive/fat women all the time")(hint, it is not true. Incels dont get approached by fat womens 24/7 like you imply), it still wouldnt "counter" the point of the post like you imagine.

op vents because women are shallow animalistic thriven animals who choose their partners by looks. And your great "haha played yourself"- counterargument is that incels are the same?

Do you or do you not call mildly chubby women whales? Even if you personally do not, it is agreeable that incels, as a whole, do this.

Also, I never claimed incels are approached by fat or unattractive women 24/7. So nice counter argument you’ve got there.

you cannot reject without a offer.

also again, being fat is a choice and not the same as being ugly.

Doesn’t matter if fat is a choice or not. If the importance is being put on kind, loyal, accomplishments, etc - doesn’t matter what choices they’ve made about the physical state of their body. Whether it being fat, covered in tattoos/piercings, or having moldy, green hair. But also, I’m talking about mildly chubby girls being called whales - not morbidly obese girls.

I did include being ugly (stand alone). Most incels I’ve talked to about level of attractiveness consider anything below 5 to be unfuckable. So that’s fun.

Also, you are waiting for women (of any variety) to approach you and offer sex (or anything)? Um, maybe be the approacher. The women in referring to likely have really low self esteem. So they aren’t approaching or offering anything to anyone.

yes it does matter. you cannot compare incels to landwhales when incels actually put effort into their looks and approach women.

Also, you are waiting for women (of any variety) to approach you and offer sex (or anything)? Um, maybe be the approacher. The women in referring to likely have really low self esteem. So they aren’t approaching or offering anything to anyone.

point proven. "buhuh incels reject fat women" "of course fat women dont approach you, YOU HAVE TO APPRAOCH THEM "

btw, fat women would never go for incels since theyre perfectly capable of getting chad (http://archive.is/3WAjV) . same goes for just ugly women.

so yes in conclusion: your analogy is bad because 1) fat women are unattractive by choice

2) fat women have no problem finding hookups,partners at all. and they dont have to lower their standarts and complettly capable to get good looking guys

3)incels dont reject fat women(as you admitted)

4)even if incels approached fat women, they would just get rejected by them

I didn’t say incels “reject” fat women. It was never my point. (Hurr durr since we are doing that apparently)

Incels don’t consider fat (or even chubby) women. I guarantee if you chased solely fat and/or unattractive women - you’d get laid eventually.

But - again - my point is that incels don’t even include fat/ugly women in their bubble of “possibles.”

The complete lack of logic you guys have is astounding.

point remains. even if that was true("incels dont want/approach fat women/ugly women) (which is not), it still wouldnt be the same. theres a huge difference between rejecting and not approaching .

Which is why I keep saying “considering” to encompass both, ya twit.

Lol if you have known a single chad in your entire lives you'd know that women are just sperm depositories in their perspective. This is the most cucked post I've ever seen

Holy shit, this is not the sub I ever expected to encounter this level of self-awareness.

"Chad" is a mindset

cope

Add to that list that there are females who are over lookism but the thing is that they don’t explicitly search for an ugly guy because they have so many options. That’s the real blackpill.

Damn, this is beautiful. This shit should be stickied.

Look, statistically speaking, not everyone can find someone to fulfill their sexual and/or emotional needs, that's just a numbers game. But this cope, the core of mysoginistic inceldom, it's not fair for a lot of people who are closer than they think to getting out for them to get roped into this mentality just to feel a sense of community and sympathy.

closer than they think to getting out

so fuck EVERYONE who is actually doomed, let's keep bullying the incels so that we can save the one or two that are 'close' (you'll never save them), this is how you rationalize coming into our spaces and making us feel more inadequate

Idk man you're extrapolating on a whole bunch that I didn't say.

Foremost, I was just being realistic about how not everyone's going to find someone to fulfill their needs. It's just not meant to be, statistically. Just like how some people are meant to die at the hands of violent crime because of the neighborhoods they were born into.

I'm not bullying anybody with these statements as far as I can see. It's a public space, and I haven't said anything you not only don't already know, but in fact are constantly broadcasting to normies in order to get them to spare you their pity parties. So what's your objection to my statements, trying to avoid telling you things you've already heard a million times? A lot of incels approach things from the "let's be real, don't give me any of that idealistic shower and haircut nonsense" angle when people try to be speak hopefully to them, and that's fine with me, I'm a realist as well. I didn't say anything disparaging or invasive to your forum.

no such think as closer than they think either they get approached by women or not. that tells you what to think.

Approached by women...?! That would be absurd. Not withstanding insane outliers, women don't approach men; noun-cels, normies, or Chads alike.

Tbh I'm not sure whether you're defending them or critiqueing their mindset; sorry in advance if my comment is superfluous. Your comment is unclear or perhaps I'm just dumb and didnt read it properly

you just don't know cuz you're an incel but yeah they do

Don't know what?

Speaking as a woman, no we don't. What does sometimes happen is, if we're at school or work and assigned to a group project, and we get to know and like one of our teammates, we MIGHT say, "hey, wanna get coffee and talk over (whatever the project is about)?" And then see what happens. There are, of course, women who are more aggressive. But it's rare, even these days.

Speaking as a woman,

stopped reading here

Lol, and that's why you will never get laid.

I appreciate that you're trying to engage honestly here but your reasoning is flawed.

But this cope, the core of mysoginistic inceldom, it's not fair for a lot of people who are closer than they think to getting out for them to get roped into this mentality just to feel a sense of community and sympathy.

You're implying that the "incel" mentality is what leads to inceldom, which means that inceldom is a self-fulfilling prophecy. However "inceldom" doesn't refer to a mindset. Someone with a positive attitude towards women can be an incel because they've never received any female attention.

The mentality that many incels harbor is the "blackpill," a conscious understanding that women judge partners primarily based on looks and social status (of course there are a few isolated and hence irrelevant counterexamples here). While many incels do hate women, there are plenty who don't.

It all but guarantees any chance they had of getting out to be totally destroyed of their own volition.

The mistake you're making here is assuming that incels have shitty personalities. This entire subreddit is premised on the fact that looks and (in my opinion) social status are minimum standards for attraction, which can only be supplemented by personality.

While incels may harbor resentment and self-hatred this isn't necessarily apparent in their social conduct. This is a common theme amongst people who suffer from depression, deep-down they feel worthless, but project a self image that contradicts their internal reality. Incels operate in the same way, women can't sense misogynistic views, incels don't walk around with a sign on their forehead saying "Incel! Do not approach!" No, many incels are just normal human beings who lost the genetic lottery. Many continue to try to approach women in non-creepy ways, but get shutdown all the same.

I don't think I was implying that necessarily but if I did I didn't mean to. While we're on the topic though, you're not wrong about the variance, that it just doesn't matter for some people no matter what they do. I think we pretty much agree lol but I didn't wanna type out too much. I think I'll just leave it at that.

Okay so your pointing out that every man is not a chippendales dancer or jacked hung gigolo?

the only thing that matters for me is niceness and kindness, and actuall nice and kind women would looks past someones looks. I dont think a monkeybranching hypergamous femaloid whos lifegoal it is to get the best semen possible can ever be called "kind". Also, women dont do charity and volunteering because of kidness, but because of the social validation they get from it

Just so damn weird that you could make a statement like that, as if you know all women. What is it in your brain that makes you need to hate women so much?

its human biology.

euthanize me please

I sincerely hope we get ultra-realistic sexbots soon, and the feminists don't ban them. Otherwise, the collapse of the West is inevitable. "Non-Chads" are waking up, and will stop participating in/supporting society as a result, which will decimate the economy.

By not buying fancy houses, cars, expensive clothes, jewelry and other pricey shit just to "attract" some materialistic whore, you're already dropping out in a way that will attack the economy. Our economic system thrives on gold diggers, settlers, and the naive men who seek to "earn" their "interest". Once men fully swallow the looks pill and see most marriages/relationships for what they really are, they'll stop buying so much stuff they don't need, and the corporations will suffer.

Without a family or girlfriend, living as a male is incredibly cheap.

THIS is the essence of what I was getting it. Men don't need much. We've been conditioned by settlers and gold diggers to think we need to spend a big chunk of our income on status symbols to attract women. That's not "love". It's prostitution. Sooner or later, men are going to wake up and see that.

honestly, I guess it's fine. Normal men won't prefer lifeless things and since women don't want to touch you anyway everyone should be happy :)

"Non-Chads" are waking up, and will stop participating in/supporting society as a result, which will decimate the economy.

by the definition of this sub something like ~90%+ of the male population are chads.

pretty sure society could take the hit if the rest stops participating ;)

Thing is, most incels want intimacy and a sex robot won't give that.

Blaming feminism for anything is major cope

the reality is that women don't want you because you're ugly

Fake and delusional

In my case, I’m ugly AND incompetent.

They don't like you because you call them femoids

It's not fucking rocket science

delete this post, OP. This is a place for black pills, not black holes. I want to escape.

Nooooo

There are women out there who contribute a lot to charity, volunteer and are decent people, but they just don't want anything romantic with you because you're ugly.

Then by definition they are not decent people, if they are not willing to look out for the welfare of their fellow human beings.

Yeah there is. We are suffering from a lifetime of suffering because of their selfishness.

No such thing as a decent roastie.

So do all women owe you sex?

(also what do you mean by roastie?)

The way you phrased your sentence is problematic. Could you expand on that?

(also what do you mean by roastie?)

Roastie is a term for a promiscuous woman, specifically referring to her stretched out vaginal flaps- which is reminiscent in appearance to roasted beef.

Ok. So how many promiscuous women's vagina's have you encountered? I can only speak for a few, but that's a pretty grotesque term, and will certainly contribute to women disliking you. The vagina is made of muscles, to which sex is exercise, and hence strengthens them. They get stretched out with age, not by sex.

I asked if all women owe you sex because GymcellingisCope1 said:

There is nothing indecent about wanting to fuck somebody.

That is, it is ok for a woman not wanto to fuck you.

And you respond:

Yeah there is. We are suffering from a lifetime of suffering because of their selfishness.

So what exactly is indecent about them not wanting to fuck you, and how is it them causing your suffering?

Ok. So how many promiscuous women's vagina's have you encountered? I can only speak for a few, but that's a pretty grotesque term, and will certainly contribute to women disliking you. The vagina is made of muscles, to which sex is exercise, and hence strengthens them. They get stretched out with age, not by sex.

Do you think I call women roasties to their face?

So what exactly is indecent about them not wanting to fuck you, and how is it them causing your suffering?

Do you think an incel has a moral obligation to help a woman being raped?

I don't think you call women roasties to their face. But part of the issue is how you think of women. And you simply ignored the fact that it is inaccurate as a description.

I think anyone has a moral obligation (as far as you can define such a thing) to help anyone being raped. You aren't answering my questions though.

I don't think you call women roasties to their face. But part of the issue is how you think of women. And you simply ignored the fact that it is inaccurate as a description.

So what is your point then?

I think anyone has a moral obligation (as far as you can define such a thing) to help anyone being raped. You aren't answering my questions though.

Do you think it's morally acceptable for a woman to reject an incel over his looks?

My point is that you should stop thinking of promiscuous women as roasties. For one thing it is insulting. For another it is inaccurate. So it is not helpful to you for getting what you want - women to like you.

Yes. Absolutely. It is morally acceptable for anyone to reject someone else (regardless of gender) for looks. Why do people have sex? Because it is fun and feels nice. People are not obligated to have sex with someone else if they don't feel that those reasons will be met.

My point is that you should stop thinking of promiscuous women as roasties. For one thing it is insulting. For another it is inaccurate. So it is not helpful to you for getting what you want - women to like you.

Women insult me all the time. Why should they not want to make me like them? Why do you only expect incels to rise above their circumstances?

Yes. Absolutely. It is morally acceptable for anyone to reject someone else (regardless of gender) for looks. Why do people have sex? Because it is fun and feels nice. People are not obligated to have sex with someone else if they don't feel that those reasons will be met.

So it is morally acceptable to let someone suffer a lifetime of loneliness if you don't like the way they look?

If so, why is it morally wrong for an incel to ignore a woman being raped just because she looks like a woman, and the incel has arbitrarily decided that this is an "ugly" trait not worthy of empathy?

Why do you only expect incels to rise above their circumstances?

Because you are complaining about the circumstances you are in. If you are just as bad as everyone else you'll get nowhere.

If a woman rejects you, that's on her. If every single woman rejects you, then the issue is you. Each individual woman rejecting you is not responsible for 'a lifetime of loneliness' - you are.

Women don't arbitrarily decide what they find attractive, just as you don't - you just know what you like and what you don't. Deciding that you would be ok with seeing a woman get raped because you get rejected (for what is undeniably your own personality issues) is ludicrous. Why does she deserve that?

Because you are complaining about the circumstances you are in. If you are just as bad as everyone else you'll get nowhere.

Women do complain when they are getting raped. Why do incels have a moral obligation to help women being raped when they hate us because of our looks?

If a woman rejects you, that's on her. If every single woman rejects you, then the issue is you. Each individual woman rejecting you is not responsible for 'a lifetime of loneliness' - you are.

Just to show you how misleading this logic is;

If a single Nazi hates Jews, that's on the Nazi. If every single Nazi hates Jews, then the issue is Jews.

Women don't arbitrarily decide what they find attractive, just as you don't - you just know what you like and what you don't. Deciding that you would be ok with seeing a woman get raped because you get rejected (for what is undeniably your own personality issues) is ludicrous. Why does she deserve that?

Women have evolved brains which they can make decisions with. They choose to let incels suffer. They don't accidentally reject us.

"AWALT" is cope. I've been saying this for years. They're only "like that" when you're unattractive. The only women ugly and "average looking" men can get are the crazies, the gold diggers, the obese, and the settlers. Ever notice how PUA and Redpill teachings all fit neatly into the female settling dynamic? All the bad behavior these men describe is the inevitable result that happens when a woman settles - demanding/high-maintenance behavior, cheating, game playing, resentment, etc.

awalt

High quality blackpill, tread carefully

Maybe the problem is how you view women. Women aren’t morons, and they can pick up on hostility. With how much you hate women, why would they want to start a relationship with someone who’s going to hate them? It has all the telltale signs of a potentially abusive relationship.

Oh. You do. You think you don’t, because you think you’re a nice guy and a gentlemen. You’re not though. Actual nice guys don’t talk about women like this.

You’ve gotta look at that sort of thing if you want to find a relationship.

Well, hating yourself is something women don’t like either. People will look past a lot of stuff, but hating yourself is the thing that makes it hard to start a relationship.

When people talk about being confident, it’s about being happy with who you are.

So much mental gymnastics here. First it's he hates women. Oh he doesn't? It's because he's not confident and doesn't love himself. You will literally pull out any reason to make up for the fact that he's an ugly manlet.

Well, I’m trying to give the dude the benefit of the doubt. Emotions are complex.

I don’t buy the “ugly” excuse. Plenty of ugly people end up with stunning partners.

When people talk about being confident, it’s about being happy with who you are.

"Wow bruh it's so easy to get women, just overcome depression, social anxiety and years of bullying bro, be happy with who you are even if you look like a monkey."

How can you hang out on this site if you don't hate women?

Because there is more nuance to this place than just blind hate for women

Not that I expect you to believe me nor attempt to understand so you should probably fuck off pre emptively just to be sure

There are other sites for incels that specifically don't cater to hatred. The only nuance obvious here is that people are desperately wanting what they are also violently hating. But if I am missing something less obvious I'm definitely open to hearing it, but I don't think for a minute that you are interested in sharing it.

You can discuss issues related to dating/sex which aren't just "lol women suck", such as societal pressure and expectations on the genders, biology, hypergamy, society's view on these issues etc.

no, ok, there are cool womn but stop that bullshit about womns love. Reported for spreading feminism

Listen. I have seen some fat, awkward, ugly, and dumb motherfuckers not only get laid, but also get married and lead fulfilling lives. Don't stop trying, because I don't mean like 3s and 4s that aren't easy on the eyes, I mean like hard 1s and 2s that are massively obese, have weird facial structures, short, small dicks, or weirdly lanky and tall. So if you're a 1-2 and won't fuck or date a 3, stop fucking reading because you are beyond help.

If you spent nearly as much time networking and trying to get fucking laid as you do discussing "sexual market values" and elaborately victimizing yourself, you would have had sex by now. If you've already given up on that, then imagine if you spent all that time on your career. Then you can be depressed and sexually frustrated in a Maserati and potentially afford a sugar baby.

Also, your outrage is immediately perceived as cringey and childish when you claim that you are treated inhumanely then in the same breath say you'd never fuck a 7. If your ego gets in the way of you finally obtaining the one thing you've been obsessing over and striving towards, GET FUCKING HELP. You are in too deep and the internet has seriously fucked your brain up. Come back to reality. The entire mental health system is there for people like you, the dejected, disenfranchised, depressed and unstable. Therapists can help you adjust and yes, COPE. (As if identifying as and interacting with incels who constantly validate you and your beliefs isn't cope)

You cannot be simultaneously desperate and have insane standards.

For all of you that are part of this movement and are literally suicidal and not just the edgy kind, there are therapists that will work with you. If you're afraid of being turned away because you're so subhuman, you don't understand the mental health system. They deal with narcissism, BPD, schizophrenia, histrionics and much more volatile, unpredictable, and socially frowned upon behavior. They will treat you even if they don't understand or agree with you. (They are not required to. Not all therapists are as ethical as they should be and you could be refused for no reason at all.) What does a suicidal incel have to lose by being evaluated? Jack shit. What do you have to gain? Self esteem and an entirely new life.

Also, your outrage is immediately perceived as cringey and childish when you claim that you are treated inhumanely then in the same breath say you'd never fuck a 7

Literally not incel have ever said this ever, this is just the popular perception the public DECIDE to have about incels to cope, saying theirselves that the world is just and great because they are happy in it

We are not the, Common man, we are barrel trash, the bottom of the bottom, i never managed to find an woman that was as ugly as me, even the "ugly" females of my class treated me the same that average or hot ones.

Literally no incel has said that ever? From earlier in the thread "out of 1000 people, 50 will be kind and only 1 of them will be 7+" I mean he didn't explicitly say it but that's a pretty obvious implication.

And dawg the man I've seen who is now happily married is "barrel trash" just like you. He just didn't adopt a victim mentality and kept initiating contact, even if he got rejected a million times. He also was a happy and interesting person that would get lonely, but he was never bitter at other people for being happy and having sex. He was well adjusted, unlike most of the people here. You aren't special trash, it's not an ugly competition. There is a woman as ugly as you, I fucking promise.

I'm not suggesting that you destroy your brain with narcotics, I'm suggesting you GET EVALUATED and go to therapy which is not the same fucking thing at all and trying to equate them pisses me the fuck off. Mental health services saved my life and just because you've been deluded into thinking that any prescription medication or professional help is doping you into complacency rather than helping ill people then I won't waste my time trying to better your life. Wallow in your misery forever if you insist, asshole.

Ummm, seems that you vented enough, no more platitudes rigth?

So please fuck off.

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day where I'd be condescended by someone whose entire identity revolves around being lonely and openly hating themself.

How you can willing be so utterly delusional is beyond me.

At least I don't have to worry about you having children someday :-)

worry about everything you want, i don't care, get out.

Really? Beause it seems like you care. Wanna talk about it?

It's always the same with you virtue-signalling normans/Roasties, come here with all your messiah complex trying to lecture us, putting aside the fact that all of you will kill theirselves after a week living as one of us, then, when we don't act like docile cucks giving you graces and thanks for you "Wisdom", you all fuck off to cucktears or other shitholes where they can give you assurance in those hugboxes that you are all good people.

Where you can skip all that, fuck off.

SUGGESTING THAT YOU MAYBE NOT TAKE YOUR SEXUAL FRUSTRATION OUT ON THE ENTIRE WORLD IS NOW VIRTUE SIGNALING omg. And awh, I love how you just deflect my arguments with some sort of character defamation, it's so cute and really takes me back to high school.

Can you PM me your address? I'm ordering you a sex doll so you have somewhere to put all that pent up aggression. I'm sure anyone that has to interact with you ever would thank me.

u/GeneticCleansing this virtue-signalling cunt has literally broked the "no virgin shaming" twice in a row, can you pls deal with it?

It's cool I have backups, cya later

Have fun getting reported for ban evasion then.

-hates progressive liberals -enforces a safe space

Pick one buddy

You should start a Go Fund Me project for this. It's not actually a bad idea. The government isn't likely to do it but maybe a private foundation would, and private citizens.

Seriously, things like this can happen. Which is why it's really important to stop making the world of incels look like a nightmare of disgusting hatred. You could become a legitimate interest group with needs that can be met.

Honestly i don't see it happening, people still choose to ignore lookism in favor for their own mental safety.

what is lookism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism

I see.

We are not the, Common man, we are barrel trash, the bottom of the bottom, i never managed to find an woman that was as ugly as me, even the "ugly" females of my class treated me the same that average or hot ones.

How much looking for ugly women have you found? The thing is, most people (at least, in my experience) don't entirely base their opinion of someone by how attractive they are. Of course it factors in, to different degrees from person to person, since everyone at least unconsciously treats ugly and pretty people different. But you complain about being judged for your looks, when you are judging women the same?! You seem (tell me if im wrong) to value the pretty ones more highly.

Instead of suggesting we destroy our brain with narcotics to keep us deluded and happy[,] ask the goverment to include plastic surgery for ugly people in insurances for mental care reasons, that will solve many problems.

You are suggesting that the government give ugly people free/subsidised plastic surgery. That's crazy - how could that possibly work? How does the government determine who deserves that, with a panel of people ranking everyone? That wouldn't solve your problem: you see women as different beings, and seem angry at them - that can be far more of a turnoff than your appearance, and that won't go away with surgery.

You seem (tell me if im wrong) to value the pretty ones more highly.

I'm interested to see how do you reached that conclusion, the only thing i say is that "unnatractive" women treated me equally as average or attractive ones, the only reason of why i was mentioning that some were not conventionally attractive according to the majority(one of them was my crush) is because the user up try to insert the trope of "Incels are incels because their high standars".

That's crazy - how could that possibly work? How does the government determine who deserves that, with a panel of people ranking everyone?

Well, it will be pretty easy, you see the nose of this guy and you will get to the conclusion that his nose is sub-normal, because human noses are supposed to not have the bridge invading the Nostrils region, something completely anti-natural that have to be fixed, an similar example will be something like this Because humans are supposed to have chins to give their faces form.

It's not enhancing beauty, is removing universally unnatractive aspects, those things can be detected easily and solved without rankings

no you haven't

Maybe it’s because you guys like the girl for her looks and it’s not wrong if she cares about your looks (there are exceptions) because you do. Aim for someone as physically attractive as you, there will always be one for you guys, don’t give up!

And maybe if the girl prefers a ‘Chad’ as some people say then she might not be the right one for you, why keep trying?

It's too bad that appearance and attitude can never be changed in any way possible.

This is 100% true. AWALT is massive sour grapes cope.

This is bigger suifuel than tinder shit tbh

Brutal pill to swallow incelboyos

No, they want nothing to do with you if you hang out on forums like this and talk constantly about killing all normies/chads/stacies.

Most people don't like being killed.

and most people here don't talk about killing people you retarded, outraged drone

When I went to /r/incel discord that's all they could talk about as a group.

That has absolutely nothing to do with OP.

Okay, so Elliot Rodgers and the guy who ran over people a few days ago has nothing to do with the incel community? Even tho he tweeted about the beta/omega uprising and killing Chads & Stacies?

Okay, so Elliot Rodgers and the guy who ran over people a few days ago has nothing to do with the incel community?

And that has what to do with OP, a user who doesn't advocate anyone killing anyone?

Not OP but the community as a generalized whole. I doubt OP is violent at all based on his original post. He's only wrong about the reasons why women would stay away from these communities.

I doubt OP is violent at all based on his original post. He's only wrong about the reasons why women would stay away from these communities.

Except he was talking about why women don't want to be with him irl.

And btw:

talk constantly about killing all normies/chads/stacies.

That shit never makes it past the mod queue. Piss off.

I've been to the less monitored websites of incels so I know how you guys really talk. If you aren't a newfag you know exactly what I'm talking about when I say that incels talk about killing & raping people all the time.

Now one could argue that these are natural reactions to having been bullied and abused most of one's life. But instead of using that obvious argument you are trying to act like you are all innocent. I'm wasn't born yesterday. I see what you say on less monitored boards & forums.

Ugliness has absolutely NOTHING to do with why you are alone.

So unless one who's incel learns to see past their basic superficial shallow instincts of judging people by their looks one who's incel will always be alone; because saying "It's because I'm ugly no one will love me'' is the biggest cope of all time; and it's also based on one of incels biggest mental & intellectual flaws: materialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism

The way you think, why you are so superficial and focused on the physical world and 'winning things', constantly rating people (saying things like 'sub 5' etc), and threads like this are all examples of how materialism & how one-dimensional depth-less & superficial thought are ruining your potential to be attractive.

The funnest part is these are things that normies worry about and that they center their lives around.

When OP says it's because you are ugly that women don't want you. What he really means & is observing in society is mass superficiality and YES IT EXISTS.

Instead of fighting those ideas you just give in? And say 'yes I'm ugly therefore I'm worthless?' That's how normies think.

If you want to combat this you have to do it with both ideas and courage because only a normie would feel bad about being ugly.

I've been to the less monitored websites of incels so I know how you guys really talk

You don't know shit about what I say, or many of the other people here.

I see what you say on less monitored boards & forums.

So you're trying to shit on users for behavior they, as far as you know, don't even engage in.

Ugliness has absolutely NOTHING to do with why you are alone.

Then explain why I'm in a relationship after getting plastic surgery when I wasn't before.

For not saying the things you accuse me or OP of saying? Sounds pretty goddamn innocent to me.

I was talking about the things the community you associate with say. I explained that already. You will get grouped into your community if you associate with it.

You will get grouped into your community if you associate with it.

Note how the flair reads “normie“.

I was talking about the things the community you associate with say

And so that makes someone guilty of saying those things or what.

Quite funny how you dance around the point.

No, it doesn't make you as a individual guilty of saying those things, it makes you guilty by association only.

How does it not make sense that a woman would get scared away by a groups association with killers? To me that takes priority over looks even if I were a superficial person.

Part of combating the ideas of lookism you also have to accept that violence makes you less approachable. Even if considering someone's upbringing or the fact that they are bullied makes it more understandable. By understandable I mean most weak willed people would become violent when adamantly rejected by society or experiencing various traumas. To some extent this is natural instinct. The hard truth: It's still the thing that makes you unapproachable.

When you say a person can be ethically/morally good yet still superficial that is my definition of a normie. You can not be two opposing things like that and still 'good'. It seems he only presumes these things because he lacks empathy. If he himself were in an attractive woman's position that's what he would do. This is not the same thing as what other people actually do. A person with these ideas is seeing the world how THEY are not how it actually is. And by doing that taking part in it's destructing and JOINING the side they claim to hate and not be like. Do you see what I mean?

And you're currently trying to preach this to a normie right now, who only got to that point via surgery (fixing looks and nothing else). Somehow not associating with the incel label makes me guilty of associstion. Lmao.

I commend your comments against the violence then.

I did word my first post wrong by saying 'you', I should of said 'one'; as in behaviors that anyone could do. A woman doesn't want to have sex with a man when one constantly posts about killing and raping people.

I didn't mean to identify OP as a person who does this but the community does this as a whole.

The whole 'ugly' thing is just another cope.

Hey, createweirdstories, just a quick heads-up:
should of is actually spelled should have. You can remember it by should have sounds like should of, but it just isn't right.
Have a nice day!

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only caring about chad tier looks = she cannot be a good person

she needs to consider personalities to be a good person

Humans are just primitive apes and sociey is basically a overglorified zoo.....Stop thinking that disney is reality.

Right? These monkeys confuse baby's first delve into nihilism with "anything goes, let's stab each other and the last to bleed out wins. disney isn't real so 'good' and 'bad' are no longer concepts. In this same moral scenario, genocide is OK and slavery is as well since this is nothing more than a zoo and anything goes after all..."

They're right about one thing....the people saying:

Humans are just primitive apes and sociey is basically a overglorified zoo

are, ironically, the most animalistic and primitive people that exist, and thankfully, we can purchase their browsing data and identity and put a black mark on them permanently as "monkey" in the social registrar

Anyone actively trying to lower the bar for human decency is an enemy of civilized society. You know they change their tune the second they get sick, too...

Many of us do. But that isn't something you will hear here.

Sexual selection, it’s real

The looksmatch ones though do have potential for you. Treat them respectfully but don't put them on a pedestal. Treat them like a friend(but more respectfully) but flirt when the opportunity is there. Be a kind person who is easy to spend time with.

This subreddit has been cuckolded so badly it's incredible.

"Top" posts so only popular cuckposts are at the top rather than whatever was posted last.

"You deserve this" cuckold posts copy+pasted straight from "foreveralone" cuckoldsville.

And then you mods delete posts that point out how you're cuckolding the incels and making them hate themselves.

HONESTLY, you all deserve bad things. Straight up, you mods and trolls and fakecels are why things like Toronto happened, and you deserve it.

Fuck it all

This just isn't true. Yes, there are some women that go after assholes but those are immature women that just want drama, usually in their teens or early 20s. They don't have healthy relationships and jump from one abusive relationship to the next. But most adult women want healthy relationships and want someone they connect with, love, trust, have fun with, and can see a future with. You have to focus on yourself and getting mentally and physically healthy before you'll attract any healthy partners.

I'm sorry to interrupt your circlejerk but this is some mega cope shit. You don't want to give up your blue pill fantasy of "loyal and loving femoids" and that's ok but if your theory would be right Brad Pitt would not be divorced. Kobe wouldn't be accused of rape. Tyson wouldn't be accused of rape. Johnny Depp wouldn't be divorced. Women are not capable to blindly love like men. They care only about themselves and some of them about their kids.

woman

Shut the fuck up.

Yeah that’s the point these relationships don’t last, it’s like a quick hookup and they won’t have to see each other again. it’s not love like at all.

Do you have to announce your gender?

I'm not beating myself up, I'm pointing the finger. Don't give a shit how you people feel about it anymore.

And thanks.

I'm getting the vibe based on your subreddits and reddit karma score you are absurdly fat so you subconsciously filter out in shape 'Chad's and go for chubbier 6/10 dudes. Most obese and ugly girls do this. Instinctually when a girl is uglier she knows she has no chance to stay dating a Chad so she naturally lowers her standards. But other women who aren't obese don't have to do that.

It has to be for everyone, free, like UBI but for genes.

hypergamy is also genetics and can be changed. Also it woudltn really raise the standards. if someone is attractive and pleasent to look at, why would i care if theres someone who is a bit more attractive?

you cannot reject without a offer.

also again, being fat is a choice and not the same as being ugly.

worry about everything you want, i don't care, get out.

So much mental gymnastics here. First it's he hates women. Oh he doesn't? It's because he's not confident and doesn't love himself. You will literally pull out any reason to make up for the fact that he's an ugly manlet.

When people talk about being confident, it’s about being happy with who you are.

"Wow bruh it's so easy to get women, just overcome depression, social anxiety and years of bullying bro, be happy with who you are even if you look like a monkey."

My point is that you should stop thinking of promiscuous women as roasties. For one thing it is insulting. For another it is inaccurate. So it is not helpful to you for getting what you want - women to like you.

Women insult me all the time. Why should they not want to make me like them? Why do you only expect incels to rise above their circumstances?

Yes. Absolutely. It is morally acceptable for anyone to reject someone else (regardless of gender) for looks. Why do people have sex? Because it is fun and feels nice. People are not obligated to have sex with someone else if they don't feel that those reasons will be met.

So it is morally acceptable to let someone suffer a lifetime of loneliness if you don't like the way they look?

If so, why is it morally wrong for an incel to ignore a woman being raped just because she looks like a woman, and the incel has arbitrarily decided that this is an "ugly" trait not worthy of empathy?