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I’ve been ugly bottom tier of the attraction ladder and chad status handsome after losing weight. Everyone who’s seen both sides of the coin knows how ugly and cruel this world really is. We’ve been black-pilled forever.

Enjoy life, some of us never will

Most people have never been on both sides of the fence, which is why they're so convinced looks aren't important.

Damn I need me some surgery.

I need some cyanide.

BRUTAL.

If I behaved serious and quiet, people would not talk to me. if I was funny, people would manage to turn it against me, using my own jokes to laugh at me.

THIS IS WHAT FUCKING IDIOTS DON'T UNDERSTAND. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. When I used to be a funny blue pilled guy people still would manage to turn it against me, because people are assholes and they do not like ugly people, especially ugly people with no status. It's just not fair.

Also this post confirms eye area theory as we all here know height is a factor:

"I was still tall and had "pretty eyes",

This is a BRUTAL for pill for eyeareacels like myself to swallow. Just a reminder guys even if you get jaw surgery you'll still be fugly because your eyes are fugly. Your eyes are your main source of attraction. You need both however to look good, but this guy just confirms that all he did was fix his jaw and he looks good.

If all I did was fix my jaw I'd still be ugly because my eye area is 3/10. Easily. This is what a lot of incels here don't realize and that is why they're doomed. A lot of incels have awful eye areas. Coincidence? But they all just circle jerk to "muh jaw; muh chin" even though these are relatively easy procedures that don't cost that much money to make yourself look better, but even when you fix that, and your eye area still sucks then you're fucked.

Droopy eyes are a death sentence. You always look slightly off, no matter how maxxed you are. It's fucking over.

Droopy eyes are the cheapest and easiest thing to fix with surgery.

Can I ask what's wrong with your eye area though?

Do they perform surgery on eyes?

In Korea

So u look asian afterwards?

Maybe maybe not. I just know that Korea had the most experience as a country when in comes to surgeries in the eye area. Go anywhere else and you might get your eye stabbed the wrong way

I'm already half blind so...

boohoo

FinalFantasycel

thoughts on the guy on the right? kek

he looks like he mastered the art of showering and good haircuts. nice guy

He has a very good personality.

Jordan Barrett took the hyperbolic personalityshower.

Thanks for confirming the blackpill 100%.

Yup. You need everything. Tall, good eye area, good lower third, good hair. Unreal.

No you don’t, you just need a 3+ face, 2+ if you’re short.

"confirming the blackpill" yet writes stupid shit such as "Oh you just need a 3+ face to get women". Yeah...NO.

Even 5 is not sufficient at least in dis day and era

Foids are brainlets that are TOLD what to find attractive and trendy by the media since they have no consciousness.

In a time before sean opry and heman were jammed down every foids throat he might be. But this is also your own perception of male beauty polluting your mind. Maybe the guy on the right burns water when cooking. Maybe the guy on the left can skin a deer and provide food for months.

Valuable skills go by the wayside in modern vanity driven society.

Thank you for cementing the blackpill brother. Maybe now these fucking normo cucks infesting the sub can shut up.

I've been on both sides as well. In high school I was fat and had acne/messed up teeth, but I still dated and was objectively popular. Not tall or "pretty eyes" either. Your self-doubt probably affected your personality more than you thought.

Welcome to the board.

First, I wanted to point out that most of us are social outcasts. Everybody here has severe cases of suicidal depression, social anxiety disorder, touch-hunger/starvation (if you believe that study. If you haven’t, look it up. Interesting study to say the least) and a lot of other mental health issues. While some of us are friends or can be friends with Chad, other people belittle us to fit in. They’re cancerous parasites with a mob mentality. Reminds me of our friends in IT.

Look is what matters the most.

Of course this place has it right, anyone with an IQ above 80 knows it does, Im not good looking but just being thinner was enough to notice differences

I went through something similar, although it was technically my fault... Fat: no sex ever, not fat : girl actually chased me for sex, I literally did nothing, said nothing to her, she just wanted my cawk.

I too went fro good looking kid to ugly teen-early 20'er to decent looking adult. My life did a fucking 180 turn in every area with each looks change. As a male you are your looks.

One specially brutal thing is perceived intelligence. Both as a child and as an adult people consider me very intelligent deep and almost gifted. When I was ugly teenager people (including teachers) thought I was slow and not very intelligent. Ita fucking BRUTAL how looks shape everything about you.

Lol hey zyros long time no see.

are you in incels.me? greets! im drunk

Nah, I just recognize you from /r/incels. You knew me under different username

Might not remember but you posted lots of selfies of yourself and I commented that I was getting sick of it lol

lmfao

I remember him too. He was/is a framecel if I recall correctly.

Agree so fucking much dude. I went from a 2/10 subhuman to PSL 7.5/10 after losing weight. My whole life changed

wouldn't have paid you any attention before you had surgery.

I wonder if trophy models think like that too, or just people that did plastic surgery and met they fiance after it.

I was too on both sides... Jk i ugly as sin

I was very fat and ugly at school and was bullied mercilessly. In my 20s I became 'handsome' FWIW, and suddenly had friends and dates. But I still hate people because of it to be honest. They`re selfish shits. And the success with people that my looks gave me made me an objectively worse person, as I knew I could get away with. It's horrible, all told.

THIS is exactly what Im afraid off. After I graduate next year, im planning on spending all my economies on cosmetic surgery.

But I just ask myself, what would happen if I become handsome? Will all the bitterness disappear. I've felt so much pain I don't think I could let i go that easily. Its lik this shit changes you for life. I am and always will be blackpilled. Thats part of me forever.

Will all the bitterness disappear.

It will take a long time to resolve it, but tbh there will always be a shadow of it. Once you've been blackpilled on life you don't go back.

Once you go black, you don't come back.

it will disappear but your experience as an incel will NEVER go away.. The black pill stays with you and you see it in every part of your life.

this x10...I was treated like a fucking subhuman for being fat and ugly. I'm having the last laugh now

Same

You're not Chad. Prove it

pm me if u wanna see a pic

sure!

I’m not saying that good looks don’t have an effect on people wanting to be around you, but have you ever considered that you feel better about yourself in general when you’re more in shape/looking your best and that happiness radiates/attracts people?

After I fixed my looks, I still had very low confidence. All that did was make the women more aggressive.

Are you a fucking idiot?

no. thats a cope. I realized I became better looking after my life suddenly became much better in every aspect and it caught me by surprise.

Not gonna lie, if I get better looking, I'm not sure if the bitterness will completely go away.

It doesn't

I know it wint for me. Ill just hate fuck girls, and im not sure I will be able to trust them.

It doesn't. I looksmaxxed and the way women behave changed dramatically, which only made me 10x as blackpilled, and frankly, far more bitter. Plain/ugly guys are being subjected to a sort of cultural gaslighting. They're treated like second-class human beings because of their appearance, then it's implied there's something they're "doing" wrong to be treated that way, and it's total bullshit. It's wrong. It's disgusting.

I actually became blackpilled after becoming better looking lol

Post this on inceltears

Ignorance is bliss. Once you swallowed the blackpill it consumes you and never lets you go.

Ever since looksmaxxing, my life has changed. people treat me better. but i deadass still need to fix my mindset. i felt more secure when i was ugly as hell for some reason.

Yeah same, I went through the first 25 years of my life thinking looks don't count, that I needed to be the most confident, funniest, smooth-conversationalist, intelligent guy in the room whilst being nice and sensitive. Now that I've lifted, gained muscles, abs, I get pussy whilst being a relative introvert and autist at heart.

And I see guys who are a lot more interesting than I am, funnier and genuine human beings who do not receive the time or day from other women.

So gymcelling works?

Gymcelling always works, get on it if you haven't, makes you feel good and helps facial asthetics

Already on it. Figured I'd work on it a long time ago while I saved money for improving my face.

Yea

Well it works unless you are horribly disfigured facially. For fat guys gymcelling gives you a more defined face as you lose bodyfat. For skinny and short guys the extra mass you build gives you a stronger presence.

Try to enjoy people treating you better now. You're right, it's not fair and it is really shitty. Maybe can just show people how shitty it is in social circles. Now that they treat you better and respect you.

It's hard to love someone that you know wouldn't have paid you any attention before you had surgery.

Even after finally becoming attractive again you have realized how shitty other people are and you can never see them the same way again. If that is not the ultimate black pill I don't know what is.

This is what I hate about being an incel, knowing that I have to put in 10 times the effort in being smart, knowledgeable, funny, talented compared to literal retards who have been blessed with good genes. I know so many people who look good but have no talents, couldn't hold a decent conversation about anything except movies and celebrities, yet they slay all the time. A girl I know literally tells me I am the smartest person she knows yet she has friendzonemaxxed me (calls me a brother), on top of it she got into a long distance in front of my eyes with a guy who literally only does weed and other drugs most of the time. Only looks matter, only looks ever mattered and only looks will ever matter. Even in the remote 0.1% chance I do manage to get a girl or get into an arrange marriage (currycel), I will never be able to get this bad taste off myself, will never be able to trust a woman's words or even behavior around me. Everything is a lie, we can only know the truth about a woman when she's not around you. The effects of swallowing the black pill can never be undone.

If you can post pics, that'd be great. If not, we can understand. Thanks for the post, anon.

its over

finally!! some honesty. its rare to find a genuine person around here. thanks for this awesome post.

But it’s all about the bones in your face I thought

Amazing post and amazing replies!

Droopy eyes are a death sentence. You always look slightly off, no matter how maxxed you are. It's fucking over.

Can I ask what's wrong with your eye area though?

Do they perform surgery on eyes?

It doesn't

I know it wint for me. Ill just hate fuck girls, and im not sure I will be able to trust them.

It doesn't. I looksmaxxed and the way women behave changed dramatically, which only made me 10x as blackpilled, and frankly, far more bitter. Plain/ugly guys are being subjected to a sort of cultural gaslighting. They're treated like second-class human beings because of their appearance, then it's implied there's something they're "doing" wrong to be treated that way, and it's total bullshit. It's wrong. It's disgusting.

After I fixed my looks, I still had very low confidence. All that did was make the women more aggressive.

Are you a fucking idiot?

no. thats a cope. I realized I became better looking after my life suddenly became much better in every aspect and it caught me by surprise.