All self improvement has the end goal of getting more sex. Anybody who tells you that they wear makeup or workout for themselves, are saying they workout so they can feel better because their chances of having sex with more attractive people increases. Same with makeup. Especially makeup.
All self improvement has the end goal of getting more sex.
That's not why I do it...
I want to like myself. I'm not a big fan of my body, so I've been working out and tanning and I enjoy the results.
In highschool, I would work out because I wanted my girlfriend to find me more attractive (i was already "getting sex" so that wasn't an issue). When she broke up with me, I stopped completely.
You do literally need to do things for yourself or it won't stick.
Same with makeup. Especially makeup.
Do you use makeup? If not, then how can you be so certain of the motivations of people who do?
Don’t judge your worth by what women dictate. If you do that, you’ll never love yourself. Just be who you want to be and you’ll find someone if it’s really important to you.
My best guy friend considers himself an incel. I’d never met anyone with such a strong hatred for themselves and the world around them. We decided (since I hate myself too) that we would do everything we could to make ourselves whoever we wanted to be. We both started eating healthier, dyed our hair, and got our grades up. He’s really popular now around our school- and he’s been dating his girlfriend for a year now.
So yeah, sheltered maybe because I’ve only met a few people who consider themselves incels irl, but I truly believe you don’t need to be yourself if you don’t want to. It’s really hard to change, but it can be done if it’s what you really want.
Your story has nothing to do with me, and the fact that you even offered it thinking it's relevant to anyone who isn't you or your "incel" friend means you are most certainly stupid and sheltered.
If my friend doesn’t want me posting pictures of him, how can I prove it to you? I’m fine making someone a little upset on the internet if it means I honor my friends request.
How is the thing you are doing working out for you?
These people who say change help a lot more than the people who shun. They see the most probable missing link, give you a path and journey to take. Yet you all shit on everyone and say no." We are ugly and the world is shit for not accepting us. "
You all think that 'change" means becoming some fake chad. No. They aren't telling you to become someone else. They are telling you to not be afraid to fill your potential.
Maybe I dont know exactly what it feels like. But have been a fugly ass girl in school and been bullied and beaten by guys/shunned by girls. Was stuck in my shell and then after moving I was lucky to be able to come out of it and find myself.
Did the same thing as that guy. Complete makeover, but didn't try to be some instagram girl. Just more of who I wanted to look like but was too embarassed before. Worked out more and found a hobby which gave me more confidence. Etc etc.
Looking back I still think those assholes were shit people for bullying me. But I also realised that while my looks had a lot to say, if I was maybe more chill I probably would've not had such a bad time. Instead of acting like those sad animal shelther dogs that some people would adopt, I acted like the vicious crazy lash out type in defensive mode that very few people would be able to handle. Both dogs may have gone through the same experience yet acted out differently. The adoptable one was scared but still gave people a chance.
From what I have understood you guys think that because women have 'tons of options' and you don't. That it is different.
Yet you all shit on the 'landwhales' that you would never fuck.
If the tables were turned and you were a chad. Would you like to fuck your many options of 'landwhales, whores/sluts, gold diggers, women that are 30+ years older than you, and fucking stupid ass people?'.
We may be both human, but our life experiences are light years apart. You use the word "think" like women having virtually boundless dating prospects at their fingertips is anything less than a cold stone fact. Look at the pig woman experiment. A 1/10 women getting showered with invitation for dates and relationships.
If I was Chad I'd do the exact thing Chad is doing. Fuck countless women with no effort and settle with a hot women to have my children.
I'd hit a landwhale btw. Even a horrible, deluded person like you.
Firstly. WTF is up with pig woman. Thanks for making my night because that shit is hilarious. Wow.
Secondly. wow. I still can't get over pig woman.
Thirdly, on a more serious note. Whenever I see people look even close to similar to her (no one can match her/him though). She usually ends up with a similar looking/acting guy. Yes I saw the pictures and the 'hot guys' messaging. You know the first thing I personally think of that 'hot guy'. ''Damn that guy must be into some pretty fucked up shit that only pig woman would put up with, I would never date him''. Also, just like you have pig woman, you have that guy with a disease who literally have no face anymore, it's just a bunch of holes where the mouth and nose are, and no skin. That guy looks terrifying as fuck and still has a wife.
I have seen a similar woman who used to try and go after ever guy in the bar every night. No one wanted her. The toilets even had warnings written by drunk people about her and to stay away from that crazy desperate bitch. But the world is a big place. So maybe somewhere someone would fuck her.
I was pretty young when I went through that experience, but people were dating (though not fucking) at that age. No one wanted me. Was lonely as fuck. Guys treated me like a guy and shat all over me. There was no female privilege there. So while I do not have that same problem now, I can at the very least relate to that feeling of being so fucking alone and unwanted. Not understanding why or what you did. Being intelligent and 'seeing through' the fakeness of stupid chads and stacies. Hating how shit people were and how you don't want to change and pretend to like some band or wear the same clothes or any other shit as those fucking assholes do. I remember the hate...and the loneliness.
I do get your point that women have it easier. But fuck dude, not that much easier. Nor not all women. At least the sane ones who don't want to fuck some crazy ass dude with a fettish of sticking his dick into fat flaps. Pig woman is one random person out of millions who don't get the same attention. (at least I seriously hope so).
Sure you would fuck countless women as a chad. But wouldn't you try to get the hottest ones at your level, not some landwhale. And since chads are stupid, you would want some stupid hot wife to have your children. What the fuck is the fun with that? No challenge and probably a hefty divorce and misery afterwards along with STDs. Also chad may be hot but charisma almost always wins. Just like hot bitches be crazy. Same with hot dudes who have never had to work hard and only manipulate to get what they want. They complain about not having anything deeper or more meaningful. But are themselves empty and not bothered dating anyone below a 9.
Ok? You would? Then why don't you head to a bar and find one of those crazy ones. There are many awful crazy drunk woman just looking to get laid in certain bars that just don't find anyone because no one wants to stick their dick in crazy. Like maybe not call them horrible and deluded and it should work. All you have to do is laugh with them and say the stupid shit they want to hear.
Why the fuck do you find pig woman funny? Her existence is sad, but it only goes to show the extreme ease with which even bottom barrel women are able to find mates. Any difficulty you had yourself is only due to high standards - all it takes is an online dating profile. I can guarantee there were shut in losers who would have taken you despite being bottom of the barrel. Pig woman's existence confirms it.
It's not about seeing through fakeness or being intelligent. That's fedora tier pretentious. It's not about some dumb shit like bands or fucking clothing.
Women of all tiers hate and despise me. They don't have to lower their standards to someone with my facial aesthetics because there is always some average or even above average guy willing to dick them. If you can't find one then you're unironically not trying. An 8/10 guy from my class is dicking a bunch of 3s and 4s from the same class. Even bottom of the barrel women find good quality dick. Undisputed fact. You have no fucking place on this sub, you have no idea what you're talking about.
What I find funny is how crazy she looks and in general the whole situation. That the world is such a crazy place that even that chick exists and somehow got guys. Even I don't get guys like the way she did. You have to laugh at the irony, even if it is a very bitter laugh.
And come on. Sure, I agreed with you on this. But if you are really going to use her as an example for all women having it easy, then you don't really have to go far in the porn world to see that people have fucking weird tastes at time. I don't need to list it all out, but there was a case where a guy was into cats, so his girl kept operating herself to look like a cat. That's how far some people go to be with someone they love. Beastiality, pedophillia, inanimate objects, fucking random anime AI girls. If a guy chooses some anime girl over an actual girl. Then what the fuck dude. The world is a crazy ass place. It isn't THAT black and white.
Dude, I did not have the same type of internet at that age firstly. Secondly, it isn't high standards to not want to date some 50 year old guy (fuck the looks) or some random person I have no connection with. Would you REALLY want to date, forget fucking for a second. Just date and spend time with a stacy. And have to listen to her drama with stacy 2.0 and how Kylie kardashian has fucking done this to a hat and made it look like a cow and blah blah blah. Chad doesn't mind. But would you? Maybe for sex round 1, and maybe for round 2. But after that.... 10 hours of non stop talking for 7 minutes of sex.
And no, that's the thing. The sex itself if you really wanted, you could get even from a prostitute in Amsterdam who choose to be there herself instead of being forced.
For me personally it was about finding someone I was comfortable having sex with. Even if women can get a lot of guys, no one wants to be used.
Also why would they hate you. You seem to actually talk with somewhat respect to me instead of the yelling that so many incels do the moment they talk to a woman. Facial aesthetics? I have dated a guy who had issues with his facial aesthetics after a car accident and deep insecurities from that. From what I hear, he has had other girlfriends. 90% of the photos these incels post show literally average looking guys. You all think we normies try to boost your confidence and shit. But no. Most of the guys here don't know what they are talking about when they say it is about the looks alone. They know THEIR personal experiences. But fuck dude. You see ugly people everywhere who are dating. And you see hot people who are ugly as fuck to their core. When people give advice like ''fix your hair'' and shit like that. It means that, you look fine, but you are giving social cues that you basically don't give a fuck about even trying. And not in that hot 'im a hacker' kind of way.
Honestly, if pig woman shows us anything. It is that there is a reason women shy away from guys. Because some guys will hump just about anything to get laid. Which is fine, if the woman wants it too. But fuck dude, we aren't cum dumpsters. How many of those guys think 'Wow, here is someone that I could have a fucking real conversation with' when they look at pig woman.
The biggest factor when it comes to looks on a face, is the personality. Most times. Like fuck, if you look at some serial killers, their eyes are just filled with hate. I am not denying that looks play a role in initial attraction. But the world is a social place, and if people get a chance to see the person behind that face and like it. They will want to be with that person. If not, then they are a shallow shit who doesn't deserve them anyways.
Maybe it's funny for you. But for incels it's the final nail in the coffin. Even bottom tier women that are "equal" to us still get average or above average men, which leaves someone like me with my palm.
Your interpretation of your own loneliness is a joke. You despair on how lonely you were in high school, then comment on how the guys that were offered to you, older or strangers, is not good enough. Boo fucking who. Like a spoiled brat complaining to some starving tramp that his food is not good enough.
Post pics of your car accident guy. Guarantee he's not ugly. Most incels are average looking? Bullshit. Any average looking men get told to fuck off and stop being fakecels. I see ugly women dating average men everywhere. Funny you mention serial killers, they tend to get lots of love letters from women.
You think a fucking haircut is gonna matter when your facial structure is fucked? Who the fuck do you think you're talking to, I'm the god of self improvement. I take pills that may make me impotent and lose libido to save my hairline. You would not be saying this bullshit if you had to spend a week in my skin.
E.g. if you are really into metal and always talk shit about hiphop. But one day you decide to give it a chance and get someone to really explain it too from their perspective. You may still dislike listening to it but may have new respect for it.
Thus you still listen to metal but have a new appreciation for hiphop.
It isn't lateral, but more like a web.. You can change, grow and extend thw web all you want to become the person you were really meant to be. But your core will still be you and won't change if you stay true to yourself. Or you can just continue redoing the same web.
Lol I can agree to that but hopefully you got the point?
Metaphor one came from anecdotal experience from a friend who told me he used to shit on hiphop (music that wasnt metal in general) because it had no real deep message and think people were stupid for listening to it. He went on to tell me how he cringes over the fact that he used to act like that once he understood it more over time and the history behind it. As in not all hiphop was about "ass and titties". So basically he grew and "changed" but he is still true to his own preference.
The other metaphor was based on Westworld or Skyrim I guess, where the AI robots or your character have a "web" of different personality traits. It isn't just a 0 --> 1. Incel --> chad.
It is like that web thing.
Charisma 2
Intellect 10
Looks 6
Health 4
The point I see everyone making on these groups with incels, though it may seem they are saying change. They mean level up on your weaknesses and finetune your strengths. Sometimes one weakness can pull down the other strengths.
They don't mean that you should betray yourself. Just don't be stubborn and self sabotage. Don't refuse to grow a little because you think you are being a "cuck?" for adapting.
So many of these incel posts show some hot psychopath and say "look, women accept anything so long as he is hot". Nopes. You guys got it all wrong.
What anyone and everyone wants, even you guys. Is to be accepted and understood.
That "hot" pyschopath is probably charismatic and manipulative as hell. That's why he gets all the girls. Because if he was being fucking honest and true to himself infront of normal women. They would not want him unless they were equally batshit crazy.
But when so many incels act like women are shallow and stuff. Women will pick up on it. Even if you think you are hiding it. You are not.
Yeah... that is what you are doing by banning me? like no joke. You banning me is like putting your fingers in your ears so that you can't hear me.
I can hear you. You are saying that if you are expected to change, you feel that you will be changing that very part of yourself that makes you unique and what you feel most comfortable as. Right?
I am trying to say, you don't have to go from 0 --> 1. That wasn't what that guy seemed to mean. But you can update from 0 to version 0.1. Still the same app but now with new cool features. Not saying you have to go from myspace to facebook. Even we 'normies' don't really like chad. But you could upgrade to steemit or minds. Do your own thing, but if you want to remain obsolete, then yes you will become like the Blockbuster franchise instead of Netflix. No customers.
Be you. But be a better YOU. Upgrade to the best version of YOU and people will come. You may never become facebook, but you will at least find people who like you for you.
nah, but skyrim does try to emulate real life. I was just trying to use a simple example.
That whole web of 'skills' in skyrim is a pretty good representation though. We all have things we excel at and skills we hardly developed. If they become too imbalanced, then it will have an impact.
Just want to add. It isnt like we stop growing at 18. We always grow. But if a 5 year old refuses to grow or learn under your metaphor, then over 10 years he will be a 15 year old with the mental maturity of a 5 year old.
From seeing post after post that illustrates severe cognitive distortions and inability to properly regulate emotions. Also alot of posts about being depressed or feeling helpless. DbT helps with all of this.
The way incels judge stereotype normies, we judge stereotype incels. :)
Yes, actively antagonizing people you go out of your way to find and hurt for no actual reason is completely the same as in-group tongue in cheek venting between peers. People letting off steam between each other is exactly the same as someone injecting themselves into a forum specifically to hurt and insult people who never wanted or asked for them to be around.
No one ever said normies were intelligent people...remember, reproduction is statistically correlated with poverty and lack of education. No one is more successful reproduction wise than the people of wal mart, single moms, and the impoverished refugees of sub-saharan africa, so clearly they are the pinnacle of all that will ever be. Normies are proof that humanity is a joke species and deserves their coming ecological collapse.
Dude I was just explaining where he got the premises from. The same way you got yours.
The stereotype normies who ask you to change aren't usually trying to hurt you but to help. Because yeah it sucks to see other people struggle.
The stereotype incels we judge are just the ones who go too far and have a really fucked perspective of the world.
Personally I feel a lot of empathy for a lot of incels who just seem to feel lonely and unwanted in this world. Because yes even normies feel this way. You don't automatically get love cause you are hot. This forum isn't exactly focused on the lack of sex alone. I have yet to see a post saying 'god it sucks that I havn't had sex yet, nothing I do is good enough'. Honestly most of the posts is about how everyone else sucks and are horrible people.
Sure. Stupid/poor people mate more. But we all strive to be like and look like the people at the top. e.g. steven hawking/kim kardashian. Most people hope to be something better than they are. It may be as fake as getting a fake designer bag. But they try. They don't sit around waiting for someone to validate their weaknesses so that they can feel better about themselves. It is hard to find someone willing to break through the barriers many incels seem to have to see the good in them.
To put it lightly, you may be the best shampoo in the world. But without marketing, word of mouth, packaging etc. No one is bothered reading the chemical list in the back of every damn bottle just to choose that specific shampoo, when they can just get Head and Shoulders. You need to show it and project it and give people are the choice to appreciate that.
Also, where is your proof? Sounds like you got a fucked up experience with one shampoo and decided to hate em all instead of reading the back.
Jeremy Meeks
Dude not this guy again, that guy is legit some sociopath/psychopath. They don't really count because they are generally charismatic and manipulative as hell just to get what they want. If you look closely at his face, he has the crazy eyes.
It's like saying Hitler managed to rule an army and do his shit because he is hot.
Its actually pretty simple. To a fat person id say hit the gym and eat healthier (improve yourself), but never sacrifice your dreams and hobbies for any girl (love yourself/be yourself). Its literally that simple how hard is it to understand?
You don't become 'sexy as hell' is the problem. I wholeheartedly believed that and it motivated me for many years (yes, a good thing ultimately), but you just get a great version of the body you've been given. Some men can't be sexy. Indeed I have a six-pack & a great physique and women don't even glance. I don't register on their optic nerves.
Look at how many guys have great bodies. Why would a nice body catch their attention? Its your confidence your walk your swagger your aura that catches someone's attention. Your body just helps maintain the attractiom
Because it's change you thrust on yourself not change from circumstance that's out of your control.
For instance setting career goals. For yourself. So when you reached those goals, you, yourself can live for that success and not living to seek validation from others. Because if you go home and by then you still don't have a Stacy to share life's successes you can still be proud of your own achievements.
A lot of you are successes in every part of your life but romance or just social interactions. So then set social goals. What are they? Don't make it big like "get a girlfriend", try something like "I want to share my interest of reading with someone. I should look into local bookclubs." Find one that caters to your own interest first, not the one with most women to stretch your chances.
All these things you do for yourself and hope for the best along the way.
hmm, that does make sense, but I am not sure about what I want, seriously, if I want something or it is like "be loved and cuddle with a girl", or it is like I want to buy a t-shirt.
My other activities are just made so I accomplish these two objectives.
It's not that they're not obligated to do so, it's that they're also advised to keep their standards high and never settle for less, whereas men tend to be told the opposite: that their standards are too high and that they should expand their preferences.
Something that always stuck with me is "Fall in love with yourself, sometimes you're all you've got". If you're not someone that you yourself could love, then why should anyone else love you? If you're a sack of shit wearing cargo shorts and playing vidiya all day, Stacy will never love you. Get your shit together, and be someone worth loving. Don't shower and lift. Get your shit together. Get your own apt. Get a decent job. Don't be a fatass. Brush your teeth. In general, just get it together and be an adult.
115 comments
1 Chad_Worthmore 2018-04-01
Have an up vote.
1 INCELMAN2000 2018-04-01
Don't self improve to get girls, that is not self improving! That is just trying to get your dick wet.
1 5_times84 2018-04-01
Thats...true?
1 INCELMAN2000 2018-04-01
All self improvement has the end goal of getting more sex. Anybody who tells you that they wear makeup or workout for themselves, are saying they workout so they can feel better because their chances of having sex with more attractive people increases. Same with makeup. Especially makeup.
1 5_times84 2018-04-01
That's not why I do it...
I want to like myself. I'm not a big fan of my body, so I've been working out and tanning and I enjoy the results.
In highschool, I would work out because I wanted my girlfriend to find me more attractive (i was already "getting sex" so that wasn't an issue). When she broke up with me, I stopped completely.
You do literally need to do things for yourself or it won't stick.
Do you use makeup? If not, then how can you be so certain of the motivations of people who do?
1 stinkydinky42 2018-04-01
What if I don't care about any of these things but I don't want other people to think I'm ugly? Do I give up because I'm not doing it for myself?
1 5_times84 2018-04-01
I don’t know, are you doing them?
1 iQ9k 2018-04-01
Cucked
1 EntroPete 2018-04-01
Yeah, and whatever happens, don't ever actively pursue relationships. But also remember to not be too friendly and send sexual signals.
1 PetCemetery_ 2018-04-01
Be yourself but completely join the Norman hive mind or get ostracized.
1 escapetheinceldom 2018-04-01
Be urself but don't be urself.
1 Sniveling_Cur 2018-04-01
in b4 "be the best version of you that you can be and by which I mean be this unrealistic image of you I have in my mind"
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
And by which they also mean you should be more like this unrealistic image of themselves they have in their minds.
1 Ultramegasaurus 2018-04-01
1 TheBinhexer 2018-04-01
No, first you change and then be yourself.
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
Don’t judge your worth by what women dictate. If you do that, you’ll never love yourself. Just be who you want to be and you’ll find someone if it’s really important to you.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
Stupid or sheltered?
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
My best guy friend considers himself an incel. I’d never met anyone with such a strong hatred for themselves and the world around them. We decided (since I hate myself too) that we would do everything we could to make ourselves whoever we wanted to be. We both started eating healthier, dyed our hair, and got our grades up. He’s really popular now around our school- and he’s been dating his girlfriend for a year now.
So yeah, sheltered maybe because I’ve only met a few people who consider themselves incels irl, but I truly believe you don’t need to be yourself if you don’t want to. It’s really hard to change, but it can be done if it’s what you really want.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
Oh, both.
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
I just wanted I share my own experiences and maybe share a little bit of hope. It’s only up to you wether you believe me or not.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
Your story has nothing to do with me, and the fact that you even offered it thinking it's relevant to anyone who isn't you or your "incel" friend means you are most certainly stupid and sheltered.
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
I just mean to say that changing is possible. If your not happy with your current situation, you can change it. But again, it only matters to you.
1 Nancy125 2018-04-01
Let me go have fuck all the females who are repulsed by me then. There is nothing holding me back from what I want but myself after all.
Struggle or not I shall prevail, thanks normie
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
If you want to be a person who can have sex with women who find you repulsive, then try to change into that person. Compromises are important too.
If you want to be a person who gets women, you probably can’t also be misogynistic.
1 Nancy125 2018-04-01
No, change is not necessary. As you stated, there is no one holding me back from taking what I want except myself. Thanks for the advice normie!
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
Your twisting my words. You can’t force people to like you or have sex with you. Compromise is important.
1 IphisTelethousas 2018-04-01
last thing anyone here wants is hope.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
What's your friend's facial structure like? Post pics.
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
I’m not comfortable sharing pictures of him on here without his permission, but I’ll find someone on google that looks kinda like him
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
No pics? Too bad seems like you're full of shit
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
I don’t really care if you believe me or not. I just want to help, but I’m starting to think you can’t do that on this sub.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
How do you expect to help by shitting out unfounded garbage?
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
If my friend doesn’t want me posting pictures of him, how can I prove it to you? I’m fine making someone a little upset on the internet if it means I honor my friends request.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
I already know your friend is not ugly and has good facial structure. So why even bother?
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
How is the thing you are doing working out for you?
These people who say change help a lot more than the people who shun. They see the most probable missing link, give you a path and journey to take. Yet you all shit on everyone and say no." We are ugly and the world is shit for not accepting us. "
You all think that 'change" means becoming some fake chad. No. They aren't telling you to become someone else. They are telling you to not be afraid to fill your potential.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
You project your own prejudices onto what I think change is and have a massive dunning kruger regarding your own understanding of ugly men's problems.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Maybe I dont know exactly what it feels like. But have been a fugly ass girl in school and been bullied and beaten by guys/shunned by girls. Was stuck in my shell and then after moving I was lucky to be able to come out of it and find myself.
Did the same thing as that guy. Complete makeover, but didn't try to be some instagram girl. Just more of who I wanted to look like but was too embarassed before. Worked out more and found a hobby which gave me more confidence. Etc etc.
Looking back I still think those assholes were shit people for bullying me. But I also realised that while my looks had a lot to say, if I was maybe more chill I probably would've not had such a bad time. Instead of acting like those sad animal shelther dogs that some people would adopt, I acted like the vicious crazy lash out type in defensive mode that very few people would be able to handle. Both dogs may have gone through the same experience yet acted out differently. The adoptable one was scared but still gave people a chance.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
You're a girl. Your experiences are nothing and not comparable to myself or people here.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
I'm a human and so are you.
From what I have understood you guys think that because women have 'tons of options' and you don't. That it is different.
Yet you all shit on the 'landwhales' that you would never fuck.
If the tables were turned and you were a chad. Would you like to fuck your many options of 'landwhales, whores/sluts, gold diggers, women that are 30+ years older than you, and fucking stupid ass people?'.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
We may be both human, but our life experiences are light years apart. You use the word "think" like women having virtually boundless dating prospects at their fingertips is anything less than a cold stone fact. Look at the pig woman experiment. A 1/10 women getting showered with invitation for dates and relationships.
If I was Chad I'd do the exact thing Chad is doing. Fuck countless women with no effort and settle with a hot women to have my children.
I'd hit a landwhale btw. Even a horrible, deluded person like you.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Firstly. WTF is up with pig woman. Thanks for making my night because that shit is hilarious. Wow.
Secondly. wow. I still can't get over pig woman.
Thirdly, on a more serious note. Whenever I see people look even close to similar to her (no one can match her/him though). She usually ends up with a similar looking/acting guy. Yes I saw the pictures and the 'hot guys' messaging. You know the first thing I personally think of that 'hot guy'. ''Damn that guy must be into some pretty fucked up shit that only pig woman would put up with, I would never date him''. Also, just like you have pig woman, you have that guy with a disease who literally have no face anymore, it's just a bunch of holes where the mouth and nose are, and no skin. That guy looks terrifying as fuck and still has a wife.
I have seen a similar woman who used to try and go after ever guy in the bar every night. No one wanted her. The toilets even had warnings written by drunk people about her and to stay away from that crazy desperate bitch. But the world is a big place. So maybe somewhere someone would fuck her.
I was pretty young when I went through that experience, but people were dating (though not fucking) at that age. No one wanted me. Was lonely as fuck. Guys treated me like a guy and shat all over me. There was no female privilege there. So while I do not have that same problem now, I can at the very least relate to that feeling of being so fucking alone and unwanted. Not understanding why or what you did. Being intelligent and 'seeing through' the fakeness of stupid chads and stacies. Hating how shit people were and how you don't want to change and pretend to like some band or wear the same clothes or any other shit as those fucking assholes do. I remember the hate...and the loneliness.
I do get your point that women have it easier. But fuck dude, not that much easier. Nor not all women. At least the sane ones who don't want to fuck some crazy ass dude with a fettish of sticking his dick into fat flaps. Pig woman is one random person out of millions who don't get the same attention. (at least I seriously hope so).
Sure you would fuck countless women as a chad. But wouldn't you try to get the hottest ones at your level, not some landwhale. And since chads are stupid, you would want some stupid hot wife to have your children. What the fuck is the fun with that? No challenge and probably a hefty divorce and misery afterwards along with STDs. Also chad may be hot but charisma almost always wins. Just like hot bitches be crazy. Same with hot dudes who have never had to work hard and only manipulate to get what they want. They complain about not having anything deeper or more meaningful. But are themselves empty and not bothered dating anyone below a 9.
Ok? You would? Then why don't you head to a bar and find one of those crazy ones. There are many awful crazy drunk woman just looking to get laid in certain bars that just don't find anyone because no one wants to stick their dick in crazy. Like maybe not call them horrible and deluded and it should work. All you have to do is laugh with them and say the stupid shit they want to hear.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
Why the fuck do you find pig woman funny? Her existence is sad, but it only goes to show the extreme ease with which even bottom barrel women are able to find mates. Any difficulty you had yourself is only due to high standards - all it takes is an online dating profile. I can guarantee there were shut in losers who would have taken you despite being bottom of the barrel. Pig woman's existence confirms it.
It's not about seeing through fakeness or being intelligent. That's fedora tier pretentious. It's not about some dumb shit like bands or fucking clothing.
Women of all tiers hate and despise me. They don't have to lower their standards to someone with my facial aesthetics because there is always some average or even above average guy willing to dick them. If you can't find one then you're unironically not trying. An 8/10 guy from my class is dicking a bunch of 3s and 4s from the same class. Even bottom of the barrel women find good quality dick. Undisputed fact. You have no fucking place on this sub, you have no idea what you're talking about.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
What I find funny is how crazy she looks and in general the whole situation. That the world is such a crazy place that even that chick exists and somehow got guys. Even I don't get guys like the way she did. You have to laugh at the irony, even if it is a very bitter laugh.
And come on. Sure, I agreed with you on this. But if you are really going to use her as an example for all women having it easy, then you don't really have to go far in the porn world to see that people have fucking weird tastes at time. I don't need to list it all out, but there was a case where a guy was into cats, so his girl kept operating herself to look like a cat. That's how far some people go to be with someone they love. Beastiality, pedophillia, inanimate objects, fucking random anime AI girls. If a guy chooses some anime girl over an actual girl. Then what the fuck dude. The world is a crazy ass place. It isn't THAT black and white.
Dude, I did not have the same type of internet at that age firstly. Secondly, it isn't high standards to not want to date some 50 year old guy (fuck the looks) or some random person I have no connection with. Would you REALLY want to date, forget fucking for a second. Just date and spend time with a stacy. And have to listen to her drama with stacy 2.0 and how Kylie kardashian has fucking done this to a hat and made it look like a cow and blah blah blah. Chad doesn't mind. But would you? Maybe for sex round 1, and maybe for round 2. But after that.... 10 hours of non stop talking for 7 minutes of sex.
And no, that's the thing. The sex itself if you really wanted, you could get even from a prostitute in Amsterdam who choose to be there herself instead of being forced.
For me personally it was about finding someone I was comfortable having sex with. Even if women can get a lot of guys, no one wants to be used.
Also why would they hate you. You seem to actually talk with somewhat respect to me instead of the yelling that so many incels do the moment they talk to a woman. Facial aesthetics? I have dated a guy who had issues with his facial aesthetics after a car accident and deep insecurities from that. From what I hear, he has had other girlfriends. 90% of the photos these incels post show literally average looking guys. You all think we normies try to boost your confidence and shit. But no. Most of the guys here don't know what they are talking about when they say it is about the looks alone. They know THEIR personal experiences. But fuck dude. You see ugly people everywhere who are dating. And you see hot people who are ugly as fuck to their core. When people give advice like ''fix your hair'' and shit like that. It means that, you look fine, but you are giving social cues that you basically don't give a fuck about even trying. And not in that hot 'im a hacker' kind of way.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Honestly, if pig woman shows us anything. It is that there is a reason women shy away from guys. Because some guys will hump just about anything to get laid. Which is fine, if the woman wants it too. But fuck dude, we aren't cum dumpsters. How many of those guys think 'Wow, here is someone that I could have a fucking real conversation with' when they look at pig woman.
The biggest factor when it comes to looks on a face, is the personality. Most times. Like fuck, if you look at some serial killers, their eyes are just filled with hate. I am not denying that looks play a role in initial attraction. But the world is a social place, and if people get a chance to see the person behind that face and like it. They will want to be with that person. If not, then they are a shallow shit who doesn't deserve them anyways.
1 Incel_Executioner 2018-04-01
Maybe it's funny for you. But for incels it's the final nail in the coffin. Even bottom tier women that are "equal" to us still get average or above average men, which leaves someone like me with my palm.
Your interpretation of your own loneliness is a joke. You despair on how lonely you were in high school, then comment on how the guys that were offered to you, older or strangers, is not good enough. Boo fucking who. Like a spoiled brat complaining to some starving tramp that his food is not good enough.
Post pics of your car accident guy. Guarantee he's not ugly. Most incels are average looking? Bullshit. Any average looking men get told to fuck off and stop being fakecels. I see ugly women dating average men everywhere. Funny you mention serial killers, they tend to get lots of love letters from women.
You think a fucking haircut is gonna matter when your facial structure is fucked? Who the fuck do you think you're talking to, I'm the god of self improvement. I take pills that may make me impotent and lose libido to save my hairline. You would not be saying this bullshit if you had to spend a week in my skin.
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
We never wanted to become fake. All we wanted was more confidence. And we’re both still virgins, if that means anything to you lot.
1 jaghatarhonor 2018-04-01
lmao
1 watever_nvm 2018-04-01
wth
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
I’ve always wanted red hair :)
1 NightSkyPill 2018-04-01
If he's still in a school in which students can be popular, he's too young to be an incel.
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
Is there an age you have to be to call yourself an incel?
1 NightSkyPill 2018-04-01
Nearly every incel will agree that nobody under 18 can be incel. There's a split between 20 and 25 for the actual age.
1 prophetpepe 2018-04-01
be yourself but be a better version of yourself.
1 SlashSero 2018-04-01
Be yourself but just stop being ugly.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
Then it's not being yourself, it's being someone else. Change from 0 to 1 means you're a 1 but no longer 0, thus you're no longer being yourself
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
You can still grow as a person...
E.g. if you are really into metal and always talk shit about hiphop. But one day you decide to give it a chance and get someone to really explain it too from their perspective. You may still dislike listening to it but may have new respect for it.
Thus you still listen to metal but have a new appreciation for hiphop.
It isn't lateral, but more like a web.. You can change, grow and extend thw web all you want to become the person you were really meant to be. But your core will still be you and won't change if you stay true to yourself. Or you can just continue redoing the same web.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
An extremely crap metaphor, sorry.
1 itsbeenover 2018-04-01
ty, i was about to read it, but now i don't have to
1 BigArmLife 2018-04-01
How is it crap? I’m confused please explain why
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Lol I can agree to that but hopefully you got the point?
Metaphor one came from anecdotal experience from a friend who told me he used to shit on hiphop (music that wasnt metal in general) because it had no real deep message and think people were stupid for listening to it. He went on to tell me how he cringes over the fact that he used to act like that once he understood it more over time and the history behind it. As in not all hiphop was about "ass and titties". So basically he grew and "changed" but he is still true to his own preference.
The other metaphor was based on Westworld or Skyrim I guess, where the AI robots or your character have a "web" of different personality traits. It isn't just a 0 --> 1. Incel --> chad.
It is like that web thing.
Charisma 2
Intellect 10
Looks 6
Health 4
The point I see everyone making on these groups with incels, though it may seem they are saying change. They mean level up on your weaknesses and finetune your strengths. Sometimes one weakness can pull down the other strengths.
They don't mean that you should betray yourself. Just don't be stubborn and self sabotage. Don't refuse to grow a little because you think you are being a "cuck?" for adapting.
So many of these incel posts show some hot psychopath and say "look, women accept anything so long as he is hot". Nopes. You guys got it all wrong.
What anyone and everyone wants, even you guys. Is to be accepted and understood.
That "hot" pyschopath is probably charismatic and manipulative as hell. That's why he gets all the girls. Because if he was being fucking honest and true to himself infront of normal women. They would not want him unless they were equally batshit crazy.
But when so many incels act like women are shallow and stuff. Women will pick up on it. Even if you think you are hiding it. You are not.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
Hey neomancr. You're not even trying. I'm going to block you again.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
What seriously? I wasn't being mean.. Just stating my personal opinion. Not even trying? You won't even reply or take part in the discussion.
1 NoahsArksDogsBark 2018-04-01
That's like putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "I can't hear you!"
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Yeah... that is what you are doing by banning me? like no joke. You banning me is like putting your fingers in your ears so that you can't hear me.
I can hear you. You are saying that if you are expected to change, you feel that you will be changing that very part of yourself that makes you unique and what you feel most comfortable as. Right?
I am trying to say, you don't have to go from 0 --> 1. That wasn't what that guy seemed to mean. But you can update from 0 to version 0.1. Still the same app but now with new cool features. Not saying you have to go from myspace to facebook. Even we 'normies' don't really like chad. But you could upgrade to steemit or minds. Do your own thing, but if you want to remain obsolete, then yes you will become like the Blockbuster franchise instead of Netflix. No customers.
Be you. But be a better YOU. Upgrade to the best version of YOU and people will come. You may never become facebook, but you will at least find people who like you for you.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
No, that's like not dealing with verbosity.
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-04-01
lol this guys thinks real life is skyrim
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-04-01
lol this guy thinks real life is skyrim
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-04-01
lol this guy thinks real life is skyrim
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
nah, but skyrim does try to emulate real life. I was just trying to use a simple example. That whole web of 'skills' in skyrim is a pretty good representation though. We all have things we excel at and skills we hardly developed. If they become too imbalanced, then it will have an impact.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Just want to add. It isnt like we stop growing at 18. We always grow. But if a 5 year old refuses to grow or learn under your metaphor, then over 10 years he will be a 15 year old with the mental maturity of a 5 year old.
1 glassangelrose 2018-04-01
All of you could use some DBT.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
By women for women. I'll pass.
1 glassangelrose 2018-04-01
It's not for women, and it's used to treat far more than bpd, although many of you meet the criteria for that based on your posts.
1 gufestus2 2018-04-01
Nope. It's nothing but hocum. Like most forms of therapy.
1 NoahsArksDogsBark 2018-04-01
Your flair is ironic.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
And you know this how?
1 glassangelrose 2018-04-01
From seeing post after post that illustrates severe cognitive distortions and inability to properly regulate emotions. Also alot of posts about being depressed or feeling helpless. DbT helps with all of this.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
Are you a qualified mental professional?
1 justforlulzandkeks 2018-04-01
She has a PhD in armchair psychology from leddit university
1 PROLAPSED_SUBWOOFER 2018-04-01
We're helpless and depressed because it's over for us. Not the other way around.
1 glassangelrose 2018-04-01
Its called depression and it is treatable. Seriously, try DBT.
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-04-01
DBT CAN'T HELP US SUCKA
1 IphisTelethousas 2018-04-01
IncelTears could use some fuckign DBT.
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1 regular_failure 2018-04-01
Ask mod to pin this.
1 tropical_cockonut 2018-04-01
A certain whale might not agree with that
1 Jiren_cumbiero 2018-04-01
Weird, I tought you would give anything to be someone else.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
I want to be non existent.
1 awe300 2018-04-01
If you don't like how things are and change nothing, how do you expect things to change?
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
I don't expect things to change aside from getting worse
1 awe300 2018-04-01
Okay then
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
The way incels judge stereotype normies, we judge stereotype incels. :)
Like no offense but yeah.. Your whole post is a generalization of normies.
1 dfhghhgffgh 2018-04-01
Yes, actively antagonizing people you go out of your way to find and hurt for no actual reason is completely the same as in-group tongue in cheek venting between peers. People letting off steam between each other is exactly the same as someone injecting themselves into a forum specifically to hurt and insult people who never wanted or asked for them to be around.
No one ever said normies were intelligent people...remember, reproduction is statistically correlated with poverty and lack of education. No one is more successful reproduction wise than the people of wal mart, single moms, and the impoverished refugees of sub-saharan africa, so clearly they are the pinnacle of all that will ever be. Normies are proof that humanity is a joke species and deserves their coming ecological collapse.
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
Dude I was just explaining where he got the premises from. The same way you got yours.
The stereotype normies who ask you to change aren't usually trying to hurt you but to help. Because yeah it sucks to see other people struggle.
The stereotype incels we judge are just the ones who go too far and have a really fucked perspective of the world.
Personally I feel a lot of empathy for a lot of incels who just seem to feel lonely and unwanted in this world. Because yes even normies feel this way. You don't automatically get love cause you are hot. This forum isn't exactly focused on the lack of sex alone. I have yet to see a post saying 'god it sucks that I havn't had sex yet, nothing I do is good enough'. Honestly most of the posts is about how everyone else sucks and are horrible people.
Sure. Stupid/poor people mate more. But we all strive to be like and look like the people at the top. e.g. steven hawking/kim kardashian. Most people hope to be something better than they are. It may be as fake as getting a fake designer bag. But they try. They don't sit around waiting for someone to validate their weaknesses so that they can feel better about themselves. It is hard to find someone willing to break through the barriers many incels seem to have to see the good in them.
To put it lightly, you may be the best shampoo in the world. But without marketing, word of mouth, packaging etc. No one is bothered reading the chemical list in the back of every damn bottle just to choose that specific shampoo, when they can just get Head and Shoulders. You need to show it and project it and give people are the choice to appreciate that.
Also, where is your proof? Sounds like you got a fucked up experience with one shampoo and decided to hate em all instead of reading the back.
1 Detoxification- 2018-04-01
Jeremy Meeks.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-04-01
A SINGLE EXAMPLE AN OUTLIER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
1 msmurasaki 2018-04-01
It's like saying Hitler managed to rule an army and do his shit because he is hot.
1 KingoftheCastle94 2018-04-01
Its actually pretty simple. To a fat person id say hit the gym and eat healthier (improve yourself), but never sacrifice your dreams and hobbies for any girl (love yourself/be yourself). Its literally that simple how hard is it to understand?
1 Invisible_247 2018-04-01
Boy, if only it worked like that. That'd be sweet.
1 KingoftheCastle94 2018-04-01
Yeah no I agree. Look at all these incels walking around jacked as fuck with a six-pack and great physique. Oh wait they don't exist.
1 Invisible_247 2018-04-01
You don't become 'sexy as hell' is the problem. I wholeheartedly believed that and it motivated me for many years (yes, a good thing ultimately), but you just get a great version of the body you've been given. Some men can't be sexy. Indeed I have a six-pack & a great physique and women don't even glance. I don't register on their optic nerves.
1 KingoftheCastle94 2018-04-01
Look at how many guys have great bodies. Why would a nice body catch their attention? Its your confidence your walk your swagger your aura that catches someone's attention. Your body just helps maintain the attractiom
1 WaitWhyNot 2018-04-01
Loving yourself means being the best you. You create goals for yourself not for girls you all believe to be superficial cunts.
1 Parara_papapapaVeis 2018-04-01
Change is dangerous though.
1 WaitWhyNot 2018-04-01
It can be but more than anything, change is hard.
1 Parara_papapapaVeis 2018-04-01
and uncertain.
Like how can you be sure that the change is for the best?
1 WaitWhyNot 2018-04-01
Because it's change you thrust on yourself not change from circumstance that's out of your control.
For instance setting career goals. For yourself. So when you reached those goals, you, yourself can live for that success and not living to seek validation from others. Because if you go home and by then you still don't have a Stacy to share life's successes you can still be proud of your own achievements.
A lot of you are successes in every part of your life but romance or just social interactions. So then set social goals. What are they? Don't make it big like "get a girlfriend", try something like "I want to share my interest of reading with someone. I should look into local bookclubs." Find one that caters to your own interest first, not the one with most women to stretch your chances.
All these things you do for yourself and hope for the best along the way.
1 Parara_papapapaVeis 2018-04-01
hmm, that does make sense, but I am not sure about what I want, seriously, if I want something or it is like "be loved and cuddle with a girl", or it is like I want to buy a t-shirt.
My other activities are just made so I accomplish these two objectives.
Any thoughts?
1 LordDarthra 2018-04-01
If yourself is a piece of shit, yeah change yourself.
Otherwise I think most people mean improve yourself, not change yourself.
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-04-01
Unless you're a girl, then don't worry, just go out and get a bf (make sure to be picky! don't wanna get a bad apple!)
1 IlNeige 2018-04-01
I mean...you’re not obligated to date someone in whom you’re not interested.
1 kta2 2018-04-01
It's not that they're not obligated to do so, it's that they're also advised to keep their standards high and never settle for less, whereas men tend to be told the opposite: that their standards are too high and that they should expand their preferences.
1 Dirtbag717 2018-04-01
Something that always stuck with me is "Fall in love with yourself, sometimes you're all you've got". If you're not someone that you yourself could love, then why should anyone else love you? If you're a sack of shit wearing cargo shorts and playing vidiya all day, Stacy will never love you. Get your shit together, and be someone worth loving. Don't shower and lift. Get your shit together. Get your own apt. Get a decent job. Don't be a fatass. Brush your teeth. In general, just get it together and be an adult.
1 Alia_Harkonnen 2018-04-01
That's just telling a person to fuck off because you're not going to love them
Just cause of people repeat it doesn't mean it makes any sense.
And then your examples, lol.
Just fuck off
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-04-01
Quality post
1 Ader73 2018-04-01
Is there an age you have to be to call yourself an incel?