Very High IQ thread. This is why I hate most advices that call out on the guy being insecure. I mean, if they are constantly surrounded by many more attractive guys, obviously the girl would be sexually aroused by them to the point where she could think to herself that she can "do better."

Dating someone with serious insecurity is fucking exhausting. It feels like babysitting. Women want a man they can respect, not someone who needs constant reassurance and babying.

Yeah, no. This is bullshit.

Hundredsofspiders looks like a Red Pill wind up merchant to me. "Dtf" gave the game away :)

It's cute when Chad does it, and creepy if anyone else does it.

I have dumped at least 3 attractive dudes for being insecure and needy. I can't respect a needy man.

TEEHEE

High quality men aren't insecure. It's as simple as that my dude.

High quality men have no reason to be insecure, since they're validated by women (and virtually everyone) day in and day out.

Right. Therefore insecurity is an indicator of poor quality and a turnoff.

Women don't fuck men they feel sorry for.

well then they should be less annoying on dates. If I'm on a date with you, that means I'm dtf unless you do something stupid or annoying

A true slut.

gotem

TIL not fucking desperate or annoying dudes makes me a slut

"If I'm on a date with you that means I'm dtf"

Slut.

.... unless they suck on the date.

Not denying that I'm a slut, just that your reasoning doesn't make sense.

So you're a slut. Congratulations. Would you say your a Becky, a Stacy, or your average femoid caked up slut who is obviously average?

Those are all imaginary descriptions, but I'm attractive if that's what you're asking.

So an attractive women posting on Reddit on an incels sub. Why? Just to laugh at us? JFL at my life tbh. What a fucking joke.

I discovered this place after you guys posted a picture of a friend of mine, mocking his facial deformity. He wasn't incel. I was interested in what would make people so hateful towards someone they didn't know.

Who was the person?

his name was Sam. He wasn't identified by name on here, but some of his friends came across it and sent it to me

I don't know his goddamn name, lady. Like in terms of the pic. Is it the guy with the fucked up eyes?

He had Treacher Collins syndrome. Google it

Treacher Collins syndrome

So...like the kid from Wonder? Brutal. We're fucked up but most of us even know that we don't fuck with people who have legit deformities. Probably some asshole from IT making a BS acc and make that post just to make us look worse than we are.

You guys post pictures of ugly people to mock them constantly.

My friend was badly deformed, but not incel. He had a loving girlfriend and many friends.

Way to take things out of context...per usual. Nice try though.

Posting a picture of someone you know nothing about, simply because they're ugly, and claiming they are incel. What do you call that?

First off, bitch, stop acting as if I did any of that. Second of all, where is the proof? I'll wait.

Proof? Look at the fucking sub. You guys post random people every day.

Cope.

I don't need a cope. I live a healthy and happy life.

Your fucking mascot is a random dude you guys know nothing about. How do you think he would feel if he saw the hundreds of posts you people have made, mocking his appearance?

mocking his appearance?

Implying that others have never mocked his appearance before he was known as our savior? Silly girl.

So it's ok to bully someone if someone else probably bullied him before? You're ugly inside and out. What a horrible thing to do.

You've lost all credibility in complaining about how people treat you.

Shut the fuck up, cunt. You act as if you're God's gift. Let's get something straight. You normies and roasties are the most horrible people on this planet. Normies commit genocide on their own fucking race while incels just kill ourselves. Women are the cause of most shootings anyway, hypergamy, and the fact that there are a lot of piece of shit women out there who get away with everything by using "muh patriarchy" as their excuse. Fuck your radical feminism, cunt.

Chads/Chadlites/normies all have bullied people in their lives, yet they live nice and normal lives even though they're ugly on the inside, so nice double standard. Tell me about all the guys and their "horrible personality" who beat the shit out of women yet still have no issues attracting them. Go fuck yourself.

no matter how sad and lonely you are, there is someone sadder and lonlier than you who would love some if your time and attention. You would feel a lot better if you stopped worrying and imagining what other people are doing and focused on what you have to offer someone. It really is that simple. Nip one leaves a shift volunteering at an old folks home feeling shitty about themselves. Maybe go buy a homeless guy a coffee and listen to him for an hour. You'll feel better.

You realize we can lead your post history, right?

Obviously. I've had challenges, but my life is rad

It doesn't sound that rad. You're likely using us to feel better about your own miserable circumstances. But the key difference is that you choose to make your life miserable, we didn't choose to be born ugly.

What's miserable? I have a great job, beautiful home, amazing partner, my health, a good dog.....

Again, we can read your post history. You're at most only eight months sober, after what five and a half years of alcoholism?

You say you came here originally because we posted your friends pic as an example of an ugly man, but that doesn't explain why you stayed. You're obviously using us to boost your meager self-esteem, kicking someone lower on the totem pole. But that doesn't change your actual position on the pole, does it?

And also again, we didn't choose to be born ugly. That was something fate handed us. But you choose to drink. You choose to make your life a living hell and negatively impact the lives of others. No amount of demeaning ugly virgin men will take that away from you. Just something to think about.

Everyone has problems. Some people choose to solve them, some prefer to wallow. My life being imperfect hasn't stopped me from accomplishing my goals and building a happy life.

Pardon me if I lack sympathy for a group of people who mock and bully people for being born deformed.

Oh my fucking god stop the presses! Women like to have sex!?!?

So basically, a guy can only be "high quality" if other women find him attractive. If women don't find you attractive, you'll be insecure. And if you're insecure, you won't be able to attract a women. It sounds like that old catch 22 thing, again.

It's not so much about how the guy feels, but how he expresses those feelings. If his insecurities manifest by him badgering me and needing constant attention, that's a hard no. Talk to a therapist, not your date.

High quality women aren't alcoholic sluts but whag the fuck would you know about that you dumb hypergamous fucking cunt.

That envy. Yikes.

What fucking envy lmao. Do you even know the definition of the word you dumb cunt?

If you don't see the irony in you calling anyone low value, I can't help you

Me being low value (thanks for confirming what we say about how society sees virgin men btw) doesn't mean it's irony for me to call someone else low value. Dumb cunt yet again showing you don't know the definition of words.

you jelly bro? you mad u cant get muh vagina bro??

typical knee jerk female shaming response lmao

There it is. There it is, the memorized 25-second speech.

Sometimes every one says the same thing because it's true.

High quality men aren't insecure. Insecure behavior is often very pathetic, and no woman wants a pitiful man

Let’s dispel with this fiction that women don’t know what they’re doing. They know exactly what they’re doing. They’re trying to get more attractive partners, and don’t want society to judge them for it. That’s why they’re blaming “insecurity”.

Why would any woman want to fuck a man she pities?

Apparently you did until you broke up with them. It must have been because of insecurity, suure ;)

I didn't fuck those guys. Too needy.

*not attractive enough

Corrected for you.

Hot enough that I agreed to go out with them.

In what way did it show that they’re insecure? If you could give a few examples.

The most common and most annoying is constant texting, getting butthurt when I don't text back quickly enough

I would think he didn't have a life or friends.

"Chads" don't behave that way.

I've met girls lose attraction in absolute male models if they get desperate. Looks can open the door but you need balls and emotional stability to keep it from shutting you out. What the hell's the point of a relationship if their basically just a babysitter to him? No amount of chadliness is going to make that attractive. At that point he's a fuck toy and a relationship is out of the question.

It really does make you wonder why most boyfriends of young women don't look like male models. Why do you never see chads?

This is VERY true.

Those faggots banned m

What for?

banned me too, for stating facts

banned me too, for stating facts

banned me too, for stating facts

Sucks cause for years i really thought IT WAS my insecurities. FML

Well... Now i know :/, its just really shitty how they pulled that out of their ass.

I hate being called insecure I've been called it. I usually been called it when I message a girl and they leave me on seen. And I usually say something nasty to them then they either make up an excuse why they left me on seen ,or they say I'm insecure. But if I said nothing at all to them I'd never be responded to in any way.

Another time I have talked to some girls before but I don't trust them. Instead of making sure I can trust them,they say they can't talk to someone who's that insecure. Bullshit if it was Chad then they'd be all sensitive to Chad making sure they prove to him he can trust them.

He was insecure because she always tried to upgrade him and between orbiters and new guys she had to socialize with,his life was crap and then that became too annoying for her to handle. Upgrade was available so..

You realize you can't jump from this statement:

Seriously, think about this. Are you saying that if Chad were to suddenly act "insecure", the girl would suddenly just leave him?

to this one:

An attractive guy (Jeremy meeks), did MUCH more worse sins than being "insecure", yet has pussy swarming around him.

Right? Incels make this logical fallacy every time.

Are you saying that if Chad were to suddenly act "insecure", the girl would suddenly just leave him?

Yup.

An attractive guy (Jeremy meeks), did MUCH more worse sins than being "insecure", yet has pussy swarming around him

But he didn't act insecure.

Seriously, amazing how incels know nothing but speak as if they have the facts

women leave their betacuck "boyfriend" because he was "too insecure". women won't leave Jeremy Meeks, the child beater, because he is "confident.

Correct. Insecurity is unattractive. Confidence is attractive. Incels focus on irrelevant bad personality traits as part of their mental gymnastics. And when I say irrelevant I mean relevance to biological attraction...because that's what this is about. Incels point to irrelevant things all the time and say dumb shit like 'but personality doesn't matter! he haz badz persoonalities!'

Fuck off, I'm the most confident person I know but it doesn't matter.

Fuck off, I'm the most confident person I know but it doesn't matter

Either: blatant lie (troll) or utter self-delusion because you have no idea what confidence is.

Don't lie on an incel forum mate. if you're admitting to being incel you may as well come clean about the rest.

Well then I guess it's utter self-delusion.

Do you honestly believe you're the most confident person you know? Why?

because I don't know anybody with a higher opinion of themselves, and know I'm not faking it.

This is ego, not confidence. Big ego will hurt you more than help you.

For example, let's say you see an attractive woman you want to talk to. Do you go up to her and talk to her?

Would I have anything to talk about or say?

I don't understand the question. You see a woman you would like to meet. Do you go up to her? Why or why not?

It's not like I would get anywhere without having anything to say, I'd probably just stay back and watch her waiting for something to start a conversation about.

Does this sound like the behaviour of a confident man? The most confident man you know?

Sounds like a man who isn't wasting his time on somethnig that wont go anywhere.

A confident man wouldn't think it won't go anywhere. Sounds like he's...not very confident about how it will go.

I've taken the time to think about how a conversation could go by cold approaching a girl and I haven't thought of a single thing to say.

Do you still think you're the most confident man you know?

Yeah, confidence doesn't mean doing things that are just a waste of effort.

You can't even think of what you would say to a woman. I mean for one, that shows a serious lack of social skills.

I spent my teen years homeschooled and have never been taught how to approach women, occasionally I'll just sit in a parking lot and watch women go by.

What is there to be taught? You're the most confident man you know. Go up and say hi. You're the MOST CONFIDENT MAN you know. What are you afraid of?

Afraid of wasted time... and I know it would be wasted time, I just would have nothing to say, although thinking back I have been able to get people to start conversation with me by getting them to think I worked at a certain tourist destination, if I knew more about the place I would have just ran with it so something like that could work for meeting women, but a woman might not trust a guy who lies about working somewhere for no apparent reason. All I'd need is a folding chair and a good location so that's an option to consider when it comes to meeting people though not a good one, it's also a more passive approach. I don't really have an active approach I could use at all.

Afraid of wasted time...

This is how you try to work mental gymnastics are your fear. So you never waste our time at all on youtube, tv, etc?

although thinking back I have been able to get people to start conversation with me by getting them to think I worked at a certain tourist destination

So in the past you had to lie about your identity to feel comfortable talking to people.

Sounds like a really confident guy.....

It's not a matter of comfort, it's a matter of convenience I was't really lying, I was just sitting in a conveniently placed chair for a bit, people came to me wanting to know more about the place.

It's not a matter of comfort, it's a matter of convenience

Dude, you identify as an incel: involuntary celibate. You want to meet women, but suddenly it's inconvenient?

I just wouldn't have much to say after "hi"

So you agree that you lack social skills.

Well no shit.

At least you admit it. Why aren't you working on it?

Secondly, let's say I hypothetically told you everything to say. Gave you all the words. Would you do it?

if it wasn't really unreasonable.

So let's say your tourist scenario plays out. You are talking to a woman you find attractive. You want to see her again. What do you say or do?

I tell her I'm not actually a guide or anything and try to strike up a conversation from there and offer her my number and her send me a text to get her number.

Ok, so why don't you do that? Minus pretending to be something else. A confident man will be himself.

Then there is no starting point for the conversation, I'd need to go along with the act to have some time into the conversation for the rest to go off of.

Then there is no starting point for the conversation

Yes there is. You're a man. She's a woman. You want to meet her.

Then what the hell am I supposed to do?

Don't confident men go after what they want? Why is a confident man so unsure of himself?

No reason to go after what you wont get.

A confident man would be confident he would succeed. That is the least confident statement I've ever heard.

Yes she would leave chad. Because "Dam, he insecure, I can do better"

Cope.

nop

ya why would she leave chad. maybe for a chaddier chad? that's it tho.

coz she would feel entitled to kilochad

ya why would she leave chad. maybe for a chaddier chad? that's it tho.

i always heard about girls leaving guys for being insecure but i never heard about guys leaving girls for being insecure , hence girls always say "i am so insecure so my boyfriend calls me every hour to make sure i amm okay he is so sweet teehe"

femoids are hyper-sensitive to male insecurity -- but i agree, if it's Chad who is insecure then it's 'cute'

so insecurity is just average chumps readin' the tea leaves and femoids using it as an excuse to leave or cheat

My gf used to be really insecure the first few months and honestly I didn't mind it because I wasn't a cheating piece of shit. I can imagine how these whore women feel threatened when the guy becomes insecure though. It makes them feel guilty about the fact that the first moment a Chad gives them a glimpse of attention they will dump the guy.

Dunno. I know multiple guys who behave toxic because of jealousy/insecurity. So i dont know the real number.

High quality men aren't insecure. It's as simple as that my dude.

.... unless they suck on the date.

Not denying that I'm a slut, just that your reasoning doesn't make sense.

Correct. Insecurity is unattractive. Confidence is attractive. Incels focus on irrelevant bad personality traits as part of their mental gymnastics. And when I say irrelevant I mean relevance to biological attraction...because that's what this is about. Incels point to irrelevant things all the time and say dumb shit like 'but personality doesn't matter! he haz badz persoonalities!'

Would I have anything to talk about or say?

I don't understand the question. You see a woman you would like to meet. Do you go up to her? Why or why not?

Ok, so why don't you do that? Minus pretending to be something else. A confident man will be himself.