Proof the personality advice is just drive by vapid virtue signalling showing how "mature" they are compared to us.

Are you fucking retarded. No shit looks matter, now go to sleep.

You're missing the real blackpill here which is that normies coming here talking about personality are blatantly lying through their teeth

Tell that to the people who spout bullshit about personality, not us. We already know this shit.

personality tho xDDDDDDD

"It's not shallow, it's human."

The way these normaloids two to justify this is both hilarious and pathetic. It brings me a lot of anger and pain. Fuck them

It is true though. We are genetically and evolutionary wired to seek superior genetics. But due to the male thirst, Hypergamy ended up being available to women and not men.

If women really gave two fucks about passing on superior genetics a lot of them would take a good, hard look in the mirror and have the realization they shouldn't breed either. However, that will never happen.

Having a pretty face, realistically, will do nothing to benefit society.

While being tall has obvious advantages, it also has numerous disadvantages no one ever brings up (increased risk of joint/back problems, cancer, a-fib, the fact if society were to collapse tomorrow a lot would probably die out because they would need more food to survive, etc.) Also, since we have advanced weaponry, the playing field has evened. Who's going to do a better job of protecting someone - a manlet with a gun or a tallfag with bravado and his fists?

Muscle mass and frame obviously matter, and it's telling that since women have gotten their way average testosterone levels have fallen dramatically in the past few decades. As does intelligence, but lets be realistic - women don't care nearly as much about that bullshit.

The bottom line is, women don't care about genetics per say - fuck, the average cunt doesn't understand how genetics work. They just want the biggest, hottest Chad that will make their pussy wet. After all, they are all hedonistic, pleasure oriented individuals.

I don't think you understood what I said boyo. Superior genetics = the hottest man e.g. Chad. We find the features we find attractive as such because of it indicates high genetic quality that could assure the survival of our descendants.

Yeah, but looking pretty doesn't assure our survival and looking pretty will do jackshit if shit were to metaphorically hit the fan and society were to collapse.

I get what you're saying, I'm just poking at why cunts are retarded.

The evolutionary ideal male height is 5'9"-5'10" for good reason. You get the benefits of being decent height along with the benefits of good agility and at that height your frame doesn't literally break down under its own weight.

Yeah, being ridiculously tall probably has more downsides than upsides. The only real upside is cunts will pay more attention to you.

Even being a manlet could be advantageous in certain situations. We do have a lower center of gravity; we don't require as much caloric input; and we have the advantage of being able to fit in smaller spaces. But those advantages don't mean shit when society is relatively stable - so it's really a moot point.

Yeah, being ridiculously tall probably has more downsides than upsides. The only real upside is cunts will pay more attention to you.

+1

Even being a manlet could be advantageous in certain situations. We do have a lower center of gravity; we don't require as much caloric input; and we have the advantage of being able to fit in smaller spaces. But those advantages don't mean shit when society is relatively stable - so it's really a moot point.

Correct. Even studies prove that height is a secondary characteristic for sexual selection for women along with penis size while face and frame are both primary characteristics.

I guess frame actually is more important to determine strength.

What's funny is that the height thing is rooted in patriarchal teachings yet cunts still comply by it.

What's funny is that the height thing is rooted in patriarchal teachings yet cunts still comply by it

Cunts can act like it's biological all they want, but it's purely societal conditioning. I posted this a while back on one of my older accounts: Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua (some African tribe isolated from western cultures/customs)

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous population (i.e., Yali of Papua, inhabiting the mountainous terrain east of the Baliem valley). A total of 53 women and 52 men participated in the study. Study sites differed in distance from Wamena, the biggest settlement in the region, and frequency of tourists’ visits. We found that the mate preferences among Yali men and women for WHR, LBR, and SDS were not exactly the same as in Western samples. Yali preferred low women’s WHR and relatively high women’s (but not men’s) LBR. Women’s and men’s ratings of each SDS set were similar, which suggests that the “male-taller norm” in Yali tribe was far weaker than in Western cultures. Additionally, the observed preferences were modified by contact with different cultures, age, and accessibility of food resources (pig possession). Our results suggest that human norms of attractiveness are malleable and can change with exposure to different environments and conditions.

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Cunts can act like it's biological all they want, but it's purely societal conditioning. I posted this a while back on one of my older accounts: Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua (some African tribe isolated from western cultures/customs)

Oh no, its biological. But very very very low list of priorities kinda like how labia size etc is almost unimportant for men.

Yeah I saw that study.

belice it or not, i would rather date a 5/10 woman with awesome personality than a boring day 10/10.

so, no. i don't seek superior genetics.

believe it or not, i would rather date a 5/10 woman with awesome personality than a boring day 10/10.

This times 100

so, no. i don't seek superior genetics.

I guess biologically we would go for the best, but socially we nowadays would go for "good enough" as what most normies do.

Not really a blackpill. Who tf would want a SEXUAL relationship with someone they don't find SEXUALLY appealing?

But that doesn't mean that Non Chads don't find love either. Although there is a certain bare minimum you need to have in looks to have a relationship

We already know that non-chads. i.e normieas can find love.

Were talking about incels though who are at an extreme disadvantage.

Most incels would have to become a wallet i.e betabux to get into a relationshio.

Even in the extreme chance that they do get into a relationship, these relationships are extremely rocky and bound to fail eventually.

Not really a blackpill. Who tf would want a SEXUAL relationship with someone they don't find SEXUALLY appealing?

Many people here aren't sexually appealing though.

/r/IncelTears on suicide watch

Normies simultaneously believe two things: they believe that sexually desire is involuntary, but at the same time they tell ugly people to "date in their own league", implying that

It's not shallow. It's human

That's a lie. This nonsense is the product of extreme cultural superficiality and tolerance of femoid hypergamy/gynocentrism. It was never nearly as bad as it is today with regard to this. Ugly men have always been able to find partners in the past. Why else would ugly genes have been passed? Inb4 "women had no choices before", well, no, they didn't, but that does not mean that they didn't truly love their unattractive life partners, or that the only reason that the relationship lasted is because of societal pressures as opposed to genuine affection. These "choices" have done nothing but make women less happy and make ugly men even worse off. They are literally asked to acquiesce to their permavirginity.

The reason that women didn't have choices in the past is precisely because containing hypergamy and superficiality was in the interest of society at large.

Funny, I always thought you were one of more level-headed incels here, then here you go spewing out utter nonsense and blaming everything on "culture".

B-b-b-but it's all culture! If only we change the culture, I will be able to get laid!

Pathetic cope.

You would have gotten laid 50 years ago. Get fucking real. There were no standards then.

Implying standards of mate choice of an entire fucking species change in 50 years

You're literally retarded.

Yes, it can. You don't even need 50 years. A single app like Tinder can raise femoid standards up by at least 2 points. Why date the 6/10 nice guy when I can have 9+ Chad by a quick phone swipe?

Yes, it can.

Really. Sexual instincts, driven by our genes, can change in less than one generation, i.e. before said "new" genes can be passed on.

Wow. I mean, even most normies are less wrong than you are at this point.

No, you're missing the point of what I said. Women have always been attracted to Chad. That we can agree on. But there's a difference between being attracted to Chad and feeling entitled to no one but Chad. Cultural attitudes result in the latter.

So you're basically envious of all the cucked betabux normies who "got laid" with a woman who couldn't really give a fuck about them.

Who isn't? you can still kind of love someone who isn't overly unattractive.

just lmao @ you

A species in most cases doesn't have the technological advances in regards to finding partners that we have, I don't see dolphins inventing dating sites and social media.

Yeah but wouldn't that be hilarious? Dolphin Tinder?

Fin-der?

Do you want dolphincels to be a thing? Because this is how you get dolphincels.

yep, it's funny to see how time is turning basically.

High-IQ comment.

but that does not mean that they didn't truly love their unattractive life partners, or that the only reason that the relationship lasted is because of societal pressures as opposed to genuine affection.

and you know this how?

What about the rest of his argument?

I agree with it.

I'm Asian. I have female relatives. Either I'm right, or they're all the best actors the world has ever seen.

I'm Asian too, Indian actually. So, I'm pretty familiar with arranged marriages. I'm asking you how did you determine that women "truly loved their unattractive partners" before feminism happened.

Unattractive people have always had a hard time finding love, no matter the time

If you're Indian, then you know that most Indian dads are utterly unattractive. Do their wives ever complain about this fact? Do they ever try divorcing them because of it? Are they typically ever even slightly upset over this fact?

No. They're typically happy and jovial, and focus principally on raising their kids. Getting the most attractive partner is simply not their end goal.

No. They're not. Compared to white women...not even in the same universe.

Okay first of all, its not "that most Indian dads are utterly unattractive". Most middle aged Indians look like crap, including women. You've ever seen those sari clad women whose bellies look like stacks of tires? Seriously, Indian moms aren't anything to brag about. They don't have the choice to complain, because it is impossible they would find even a decent-looking Indian man to sleep with them.

Secondly, have you considered the fact that the stigma against divorce might play a role in why most Indian women don't ask for divorce?

Amazing comment. Fuck...

In most of history did the death rate of fertile women match the death rate of men or were men always disposable cannon fodder and therefore "hypergamy" aka polygyny was always the norm?

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WHERE'S THE BOT

You should sticky this.

thread or comment

Thread.

if anything i'll sticky stacey stacey hear my plea

Need a noose dear god.

There's no chance for ugly men.

You legit have to be fucking RETARDED to be ugly and not be injecting steroids and doing shit to your face and hair etc.

Injecting large amounts of tren etc. ensures you either become hot or die. These are the only two acceptable options in life.

Or... not base your entire life around women?

what?

No such thing. MGTOW does not exist. There is no happiness in MGTOW. MGTOW = MSTOW, men sent their own way, pretending they're happy and better off. Why do so many people have to deceive themselves like that? Just admit it's a ruse and you'd cut off all your limbs for a hot gf.

If you truly want to go your own way then chemically castrate yourself. Then you truly WON'T feel a need for sex and can live like a neutered domestic dog. They seem pretty happy...

Life being unattractive and celibate is not worthwhile. Suicide is stupid as fuck because you have zero chance of winning if you suicide. Injecting tren is slightly risky but also has a potential reward. Or if your hairline is at risk then ofc just testosterone with finasteride. Your dick will not stop working from finasteride lol.

How do think sainthood worked?

How many times must this be proven?

It’s so over fam. So depressing thinking about how over it is.

Implying it ever began

I’d absolutely love to see IT try to say this is wrong.

Come on motherfuckers, you’re on every other thread.

They usually stick around low hanging fruit. I.e shitposting about roast beef vags

Yeah. That's not how vaginas work. +248

/r/badwomensanatomy +183

Re-read this thread, they are denying it already.

Funny how they are completely silent on this matter

I read this and pray to God that my gymcelling will pay off one day. :(

it won't. sorry brother

God doesn't exist. Fuck your god.

If you're tall and your face isn't THAT bad, then maybe.

Else you will have to try your luck with craniofacial procedures. If that doesn't work, then commit suicide like all of us.

Nah, fam.

What nah?

To suicide. Nah, brah.

Why? Why waste your life suffering?

Not ready to give up just yet.

I'm not either. Rope at 30 as I said.

I'll give myself til 40.

40 is cope. Why 40?

I’m just going to die alone.

I'm going to live alone.

*rope alone

Fuck living. Suicide is the way.

I think you all are missing a very important part of information and cherry picking things to fit your narrative:

"The unattractive men whose personality and charm originally wooed me all ended up revealing terrible, relationship-destroying insecurities over time as I got to know them better which has turned me off of the idea of "dating down". You can have all the personality in the world, but at the end of the day I need a man who is secure in himself and me. "

You see? Your toxic, insecure behavior is a turn off. Nobody is going to date someone who hates themselves and how they look. You can be the most charming person in the world, when you have a personality that is toxic, it's bound to show eventually.

So maybe, just maybe it's not all your looks, but mainly your self defeating attitude?

"The unattractive men whose personality and charm originally wooed me all ended up revealing terrible, relationship-destroying insecurities over time as I got to know them better which has turned me off of the idea of "dating down". You can have all the personality in the world, but at the end of the day I need a man who is secure in himself and me.

This is female self rationization at its best. They are pros at it.

Yes, I do think they'd leave him. Nobody wants to be with a whiny little bitch. If I were to all of a sudden start with this self defeating attitude you all seem to have, I can most certainly garuntee my girlfriend would leave me. I wouldn't blame her either, nobody wants to be with someone who's constantly depressed and looking for approval.

So your saying a chad could best his gf, cheat on her or treat her like shit and its okay.i.e jeremey meeks

But as soon as chad shows a bit insecurity, shes gone.

Lmao

What? I never said any of that "Chad" shit. If I have to explain why those comparisons are unrealistic, then you'll never understand. Just because it happens does not mean that is the norm.

What I'm saying is having a good personality and not the toxic self defeatist one you have will go alot further.

Think of it this way... Let's take looks completely out. If you were to put this sub's content in its entity in front of a group of women and ask them if they would date any of you or find your personalities attractive. I promise you it would be a resounding no on personality alone. So if you're a shitty person, who gives a fuck about looks. You won't even get a chance because you're a shitty person.

Change your attitude and you'll find someone. Yea a relationship is bound to fail if you act like that. Constantly comparing yourself to others, getting jealous with other males talking to her, constantly seeking approval.... All unattractive traits and huge red flags theres some mental issues. I hope you find peace dude.

Come on dude, we all know that if an incel ever gets into a relstionship it will be rocky from the start and he will be walking on eggshells and have to be perfect.

EXACTLY!

There are a few exceptions for this. But I know that any relationships I get into it will be on eggshells.

women actively sabotage the relationship by making the man insecure about things. They'd compare him with their Chad exs and when he had enough and goes off on her, then they breakup and blame him for being insecure. sneaky cunts, all of them.

So you'd date a "dumpster fire" of a woman (in your eyes at least) just for her personality? Get real, to say physical attraction isn't part of the equation is ridiculous. However, nobody is going to even bother with your looks if you have such toxic personalities to begin with.

Look at it this way, if there were a bunch of females acting the way the lot of you act, you wouldn't want to date them either.

Or who knows, maybe you would date anything since you seem so desperate.

Anyway, my point is, A healthy relationship starts with yourself, if you don't love yourself, you'll never love anyone else.

Also, just because a small number of women answered on reddit does not mean that is representative of the whole population. Some people just might take longer than others to find someone they click with, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It's not a race...

How do you explain Jeremy Meeks if personality is do important

jeremy meeks is a fucking outlier. he's extremely and unusually good looking. NOBODY is denying that people with those kinds of looks get special treatment, but to you guys it's like if you're not jeremy meeks you're quasimodo

Incels are also an outlier, but on the other end of the spectrum were no personality will help them

i'm sure some are, i'm just saying this sub clings onto the jeremy meeks thing as if he was just some regular good looking guy. he's an unusual case. most convicted felons, even attractive ones, do not end up dating billionaire (ugly imo) heiresses and getting modeling contracts out of it. some shit is just reserved for the extremely beautiful. it sucks but again, not the norm.

Get real, to say physical attraction isn't part of the equation is ridiculous

which is exactly our point?

such toxic personalities to begin with.

how do you know incels behave like this irl?

such toxic personalities to begin with.

Ever heard of Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?

But the nail on the head there my friend. If you dknt think yourself attractive, good luck thinking anyone else will!

Exactly, I've been through phases in my life, one of which I was depressed and pretty much hated life. Nobody wanted to be around me, well nobody worth being around anyway. All I attracted was negativity.

I snapped out of it eventually and got my life back on track. After taking the time to care for myself and well-being, everything else fell into place.

Im glad, thats great you were able to recognize that. This stuff starts from within and it takes self-management in order to fix them. Good on you friend!

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He’s gonna keep cherry picking to prove his point.

These guys can’t admit it’s their toxicity that prevent them from having relationships. It’s easier to blame something out of their control (their face) instead of something they need to change.

Oh I'm aware, I just like to chime in sometimes when I feel like browsing the sub. I honestly feel bad for them, I couldn't imagine feeling that way.

Why does this sub constantly treat this like it’s some kind of secret? This isn’t blackpill, this is common sense. Absolutely no one says looks don’t matter besides this very sub when they’re saying that normies or wtfever says they don’t matter. Which they don’t. No one says that.

The blackpill is the belief that you need a certain a degree of looks before someone will consider you relationship material, that is common sense too but often denied by wishful thinking idiots.

I think that it's true that it's possible to be so ugly that you could never find someone who finds you attractive but I also think that most incels here aren't THAT ugly. I have definitely seem some that are ugly beyond hope though

Because many of us are socially and emotionally retarded. So when we are told personality is more important than looks we trust the people.

The black pill means more to me than looks are important. It means most people are lying sacks of shit and are really just animals. The black pill just cemented the idea humans do not deserve special treatment over other animals like chicken. I wouldn't mind seeing human in restaurant s in the future.

It is constantly denied and covered over in the general zietgeist of open conversation about relationships. Ugly men who women reject are blamed as being creeps, mysoginists, bad people with poor social skills. But the truth is that all those negative traits will have no bearing on attracting women if just one of them is switched: ugly -> hot. A hot guy with bad social skills who treats women badly will still get all the female attention and sex he wants. This makes women appear shallow and stupid as selectors. So everyone has to deny it even though it's obviously true

Why does /r/inceltears and Blue Pill constantly deny it?

When incels say they're alone because they're ugly the response is "NO ITS YOUR PERSONALITY YOU SHITLORD!"

When incels point out normies agree that looks is all that matter bloops and inceltears go "Well OBVIOUSLY!"

That’s doesn’t mean they’re saying looks don’t natter, they’re just saying in your case and with many others on this sub, your personality is WAY uglier than what you look like.

They don't know my personality, how can they say that?

They see it on this site.

Ever heard of Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?

Until recently I didnt even go full incel mode lol

Do you really think women want to date someone who truly hates women like the guys in this sub? Anyone who has that much hate and anger inside them has a shitty personality. Women want to feel safe in a relationship and if you hate yourself and her to the point where you need to join a club of a bunch of other guys who also hate themselves and all women, and also a huge group of men as well, that’s not a safe place for a women to be. All you guys do is bitch constantly and shit on women, yet you want to date one? It doesn’t make any sense. If I wanted to be with someone who didn’t like women I’d turn to my gay friend, I’m not going to go date someone who hates me, regardless of looks. And also women don’t want to constantly listen to their partner wallow about their Minor problems. Everyone has problems and most of people’s problems are way worst than what you deal with and just as with you, if someone has a problem, like let’s say they lost their legs from a bad staph infection, and ALL they did is bitch about not having legs and how everyone is shit because they’re not getting laid because they don’t have legs, no one would want to be around that person. It’s not because they don’t have legs, it’s because they’re no fucking obsessed with not having legs that they can’t have any quality relationships without their lack of legs being constantly the topic of conversation. You guys are fucking OBSESSED with your looks and getting laid. You’re SO self involved that you have nothing else to offer. There’s a lot of intricacies in making a woman happy, it’s not just personality or looks, it’s both and a whole bunch of other stuff, which you all are failing dramatic yet you only want to blame looks. maybe try not being so obsessed with your looks and learn about women and what they want, because you all have no idea. I’m not saying you’re all not ugly, I have no idea, but I also know regardless of what you look like, you’re just shitty people. If you’re ugly you can’t also be a shitty person and expect women to fuck you. If you’re ugly you can’t afford to be shitty too.

I have a feeling a huge portion of you are closeted gays and use being an “incel” as an excuse to not date women instead of just fucking some guys ass like you deeply want to. Get over yourself, no one cares if your gay.

Why do you expect me to read all of that?

Oh right, you just want to wallow. Go right ahead, keep bitching about how you have this amazing personality even though you hate everyone, especially women, and keep blaming the fact that women don’t like you 100% on your looks. It couldn’t possibly be because you’re a shitty person who only wants to complain and literally hate the people who you so desperately want in your life.

For the guys that say crazy shit like women deserve rape etc then ya it's their personality

Good thing I dont say that. Hell, even a lot of the negative shit I say here I dont actually say IRL, it's just venting. The same would go for a lot of incels.

+1

because ugly people get dates all the time, that's why

No they don't. Average to slightly below average people get dates all the time. Ugly people do not. The fact people see these average people as ugly is more proof of the blackpill and hypergamy.

+1

that's fair

Your IncelTears friends constantly deny this, faggot

Why does this sub constantly treat this like it’s some kind of secret?

We didn't say that it is.

this is common sense.

Nah, society feeds bullshit lies on the other hand.

Why does this sub constantly treat this like it's some kind of secret?

Because cucktears/faggottears always deny this and come up with bullshit "advice."

"Simply being born with your appearance is the single largest limiting factor in dating."

The quote to end all quotes.

It's over

it never began for us

It couldn't begin.

Funny how reddit normans preach that you can outplay looks with personality, and then truth floodgate opens somehow on /r/AskReddit and blows them all away.

I thought about it some more and realized that I'm shallow and have limits. It depends on how unattractive.

Omg, I went there and almost died. Guys are even more annoying than femoids "Oh I dated this 10/10 chick who didn't know what urethra is because my dick told me so! I staed for long teehee" I'm back here feeling like drowning person who got from under water.

"Personally, I’ve found that the better you get to know someone with a great personality, the more attractive they start to seem. I’ve started noticing lots of attractive physical features on people that I didn’t before after getting to know them and realizing they’re cool. "

This×10²³

Jesus, some day I'm going to create an alt and post a picture here to show you that attractiveness is very dependant on how other people look at you.

That was the second top comment on the thread, btw.

If you’re handsome, you’re handsome lmfao. But there is some truth to this

This is true for normal/average people. They can go from being viewed indifferently to attraction. This is how most normies get together I'd wager. The person who wrote that most likely pictures a normie going from unnoticed to attractive. I very much doubt this applies to actually ugly people

indifferently

Yeah indifference is def MUCH different than being lack of attraction.

It's true, but the dude has to be above the bar to generate attraction.

If you generate even an ounce of attraction in a woman, showing competence and strength over time will build attraction.

If she looks at you and knows she would never fuck a guy who looks like you right when she first sees you, there's no way to score without improving your looks.

"Personally, I’ve found that the better you get to know someone with a great personality, the more attractive they start to seem. I’ve started noticing lots of attractive physical features on people that I didn’t before after getting to know them and realizing they’re cool. "

It applies to average looking people with an average height. Literal normies.

If you are ugly then they probably notice the bad things even more, lmfao. Reverse halo effect.

It's true. Fucking brutal. Sorry guys.

I'm not incel. I'm a good looking guy who got lucky at 6'3"... But i come here to support you guys from time to time. And i do that because almost all of your observations are true.. because I've lived them my entire life. And i can say with a high degree of accuracy... the world is fucked.

Wow, you’re so fucking generous lmao

Nice humble brag, faggot. Fuck off.

It's empathy. I don't get validation from reddit.

I could be a dick if that's what you'd prefer. But you guys already get enough unwarranted bullshit as it is.

I don't want either, I want you to leave.

It was important to make the distinction. I'm not some schmuck from IncelTears who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

I've lived it. And it makes me feel really fucking guilty.

He wasn't bragging. He was giving background.

It might be an empathetic reaction but I'm pretty much sure that you've stroked your ego a bit too.

Understood. I apologize.

My intention was to let you know that even Chad is aware of how fucked up the world is in this day and age. And make no mistake... It's fucked.

Chad is aware of how fucked up the world is in this day and age

eh not really (most chads)

A lot of good looking people act like its from hard work that they have such a good life and say shit like "you need to put in effort reee."

"JUST IMPROVE YOUR PERSONALITY.. CHICKS LOVE THAT"

What people fail to realize is that much of the type of "personality" that females want comes from being popular in high school and college, having lots of friends, and learning how to spit game at girls during those periods of time.

So the "rich" get richer (chad and stacey), and the "poor" get poorer (incels)

And if you miss out on those things while you're young... you're trying to play catch up your whole life. And IncelTear shitheads and Reddit as a whole expect you to be able to develop the type of personality that will net you females on your own. Which is next to impossible.

What people fail to realize is that much of the type of "personality" that females want comes from being popular in high school and college, having lots of friends, and learning how to spit game at girls during those periods of time.

Oh not even that. Personality doesn't matter. I've seen shy, engineering chads have women basically asking them subtly to make a move etc and the geek personality etc was "adorable."

What matter is how you look and personality is interpreted differently based off that.

So the "rich" get richer (chad and stacey), and the "poor" get poorer (incels)

Yeah when it comes to social status yeah.

And if you miss out on those things while you're young... you're trying to play catch up your whole life. And IncelTear shitheads and Reddit as a whole expect you to be able to develop the type of personality that will net you females on your own. Which is next to impossible.

Nah I've seen mentalcels who looked good but turned down like 10 advances in their teens suddenly flourish when they tried in their 20s.

What matters if the face and height since women interpret what you say diff.

What matter is how you look and personality is interpreted differently based off that.

Pretty fucking spot on bro. God damn. And I've never even thought too much about that until i started lurking here.

The double standards have gotta make you wanna gouge your fucking eyeballs out sometimes.

Yup. That's how it is.

If an aggressive guy is good looking, he is "assertive" and "dominant." If a shy guy is good looking, he is just "spending time off by himself to discover himself."

exactly me too. i am 18 yet i have more sexual partners than most men who are 50 years older than me

And you’re probably one of the most pathetic people on this sub

i am blackpill delivery man. you dont do anything except LDAR. fuck off

You don’t know me lmfao. You’re trying to get validation by telling everybody all the time how good looking you think you are. Even if you were half as good looking as you say you are, you would still be pathetic just because you are who you are. And delivering black pills isn’t something to be proud of either

cope cope cope cope cope cope cope

What’s cope about that?

a ugly aspie shittalking

Funny that you know so much about me

thanks fam. i really hate most short people and all the decent people in the world tend to be taller than average.

I'd trade places with any one of you for a few days if i could. Y'all deserve happiness too.

Thanks brother. I'm the polar opposite of you, sadly. Ugly and a little under a foot shorter than you.

Defend this normgroids. You have to be a literal retard to deny it.

This is common sense. The only ones who deny it are delusional retards from IT

These are bests post in this community. None of the satirical, self-loathing elements of our ideology but just straight up, brutal truth straight from the Normans themselves. Life truly isn't fair and we are a testament to that mantra.

i feel like there's a difference between "unattractive person" and "person you aren't attracted to" that isn't being discussed here and it should be

Care to elaborate?

i can, but i doubt anyone wants to hear it. looks matter. when people come onto this sub raving about "personality", everyones likes to interpret it as women out there actively seeking for a guy with a good personality. they're not. but it CAN make a huge difference and that's why interacting with and having women as friends is still important. sexual attraction is a weird thing. i've dated a guy who was not traditionally good looking but the more and more time i spent with him i was like "there's really something about him that i'm SO attracted to", and i've gone on dates with "chads" where i just felt no spark whatsoever. being ugly sucks, but unless you're seriously deformed--and i don't know how many people here are but i'm assuming most of the guys here are slightly above or below average--your life is not over. will women immediately flock to you? probably not. but at the same time i feel like the point of this sub is lamenting not looking like jeremy meeks. so i don't really know what will help.

It is easy to get caught up in the extreme examples and lose sight of the pattern they illustrate. It's not like you're either hot or incel. There's a spectrum:

1) the most attractive men get all sorts of advantages just handed to them for free. Like Jeremy Meeks. They get away with shit and society enables them

2) Some have to work at it but without much difficulty. The "chads".

3) some have a hard time but can still get what they want in a relationship with hard work, persistence and a bit of luck

4) some simply can't meet common attractiveness standards ever, because of height & bone structure & other genetic factors, but they come close enough that someone will settle. They may get a relationship but it won't be the kind they want. Because everyone wants to be desired, and they are not.

5) Some men can never even come close. Even with perfect health and fitness, grooming, fashionable clothing, the works. Incels.

So people in group 4 or 5 are really unattractive. Group 1-2 is attractive. Group 3 is in between.

1's can have sex with any woman they want unless there's some strong reason stopping them - like sexual orientation, or she's married and serious about it, or loathes him for religious/political/moral reasons - but (unless it's because of sexual orientation or paraphilia) the attraction is still there, just being resisted.

The black pill is realizing that success with women follows a Pareto distribution where group #3 and worse are 80% of men (this has been demonstrated experimentally: women rate 80% of men as below-average attractiveness). And #4 & #5 comprise 50% of men (historically only half of men who have ever lived, have reproduced, and this is primarily because of selective sexual behavior. I'm serious, genetic testing has shown that we all have twice as many female ancestors as male).

Men in the lower percentiles in terms of looks will never have success in dating no matter what they do. There is no romance for people in that group. Women would rather be single than be with them. Sex comes only if it's paid for, either by actual prostiution (costing money) or social coercion (which costs freedom, e.g. arranged marriages). And if such behavior is repugnant then you will simply be celibate for life. And that lowest percentile, category 5, is maybe 10 to 30% of men.

A bitter pill to swallow, no?

FYI, This, this, and this are what we actually look like. Besides a few "incels" like Gambler, dontcomplain1, and itsover99 who admit to doing well on tinder, we're not "slightly above average"

is this a joke? i honestly cant tell

No. Do you think those three incels are a joke? They have to live with their awful genetics every day.

"Most people don't look as bad as they do." Yeah, well, most people aren't incels.

wait is this STILL a joke? and the joke is that they're not bad looking at all and the dude in the middle just needs to clear his skin up? i am so confused. and there is absolutely no benefit to me coming on here and lying but i truly can't tell if you're serious.

Well, another visiting woman to whom I showed those photos admitted defeat because of their unattractiveness.

oh no, one woman had one opinion and another woman had a different one, however will we resolve this discrepancy to make huge inaccurate blanket statements

seriously though if the first guy is reading this DM me

Same thing

Common sense to anyone with half a brain. Incelcucks, take note.

Yet whenever we say that females think these exact things we are told that we are wrong.

Common sense also tells you that it's all looks. It's all about mating. It's all about fucking. What else is it about? Some people are ugly and get screwed hard. Don't tell the poor dude to watch movies and be more copefident. Just at least recognize it.

Holy crap. That is brutal as hell.

Don't kid yourself guys, none of you have good personalities

Kinda hard to develop them through adversity and negative reinforcement.

personality doesn't matter you retard, thats the whole point

And you do huh

What is a good personality? Huh normal fag? Hmm? None of us have inherently bad personality disorders. So please tell me normie joe, WHAT THE FUCK IS A GOOD PERSONALITY?

But you do, kicking people while they're down huh.

Say it with me: IT'S OVER.

Not brutal, not blackpill either. Thats just life. What you seem to forget though is that ugly can be subjective.

Ive seen subhumans dating, you guys are only trying to find excuses here.

ugly can be subjective

Its not.

Of course its not in your narrow minded view of life. According to you your view represents everyone elses and is the only objective truth.

Listen. Sexual attraction are built off biological indicators. Not your SJW bullshit.

Whatever you say lol. Ive seen many subhumans dating, do with this information whatever you want. Not everybody has the same standards in beauty. Bullshit is what you say. You are saying shit that is in conflict with things that happen out there in reality. Ugly people are dating, deal with it. Stop making excuses for yourself already.

facepalm

Quite delusional to say the least.

Yeah of course, maybe i was dreaming all my life and nothing i have seen was real. Ugly people are dating, you dont wanna hear that because its the last excuse you can use to say why youre alone.

They SETTLE in their early 30s rather than enjoying a normal life.

Bullshit

Truth isnt bullshit. But whatever comforts you.

ugly can be subjective

You're so damn wrong. Beauty and ugliness are objective and universal.

Lol, sure. Thats why there are different tastes... Smh..

Why not link us?

pm me?

body

TFW you can never have a "good body" since your height will be the reason why your body won't be positive and attractive.

None of the manlets in my gym have accepted this simple truth. Whenever I gymcel on a Friday night I'm surrounded by manlets and manlet pajeets and fellow uggos, it's like an incel convention.

I'll gymcel anyways hoping that I can prepare that in 3 years in time for when I get my first craniofacial procedures.

You only need a good face, the rest is cope

It doesn't hurt at least so I'll do it anyways.

That's true. I'm delusional - as a mid-20s kissless handholdless gymcel virgin I know that roasties don't care about muscle but I lift for women anyway.

Are you gonna get plastic surgery?

No, I've never thought about it

Then think about it.

Cya guys. Brb loading my shotgun...

This might be the post that helps me shotgun myself......

Sigh

MRW on askreddit.

"Just be confident and work on your personality."

Lmfao fuck that shit

"They're called friends" GIVE ME THE ROPE ALREADY

Normie/Chadlite here. I don't disagree with this, you have to be sexually attractive to your partner.

Most incels here are underestimating their own looks, though.

if anything i'll sticky stacey stacey hear my plea

Ever heard of Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?

Until recently I didnt even go full incel mode lol

I agree with it.

Truth isnt bullshit. But whatever comforts you.

What nah?

I'll give myself til 40.

What people fail to realize is that much of the type of "personality" that females want comes from being popular in high school and college, having lots of friends, and learning how to spit game at girls during those periods of time.

Oh not even that. Personality doesn't matter. I've seen shy, engineering chads have women basically asking them subtly to make a move etc and the geek personality etc was "adorable."

What matter is how you look and personality is interpreted differently based off that.

So the "rich" get richer (chad and stacey), and the "poor" get poorer (incels)

Yeah when it comes to social status yeah.

And if you miss out on those things while you're young... you're trying to play catch up your whole life. And IncelTear shitheads and Reddit as a whole expect you to be able to develop the type of personality that will net you females on your own. Which is next to impossible.

Nah I've seen mentalcels who looked good but turned down like 10 advances in their teens suddenly flourish when they tried in their 20s.

What matters if the face and height since women interpret what you say diff.