as a girl i hate it honestly. idk it makes me feel worse and i just want somebody to tell me to go kill myself or something. might be one of the reasons why im here. only normies say shit that belongs in /r/wowthanksimcured. and i dont like the second option either with the people telling you to work on yourself. honestly the best thing isnt someone saying "you're worth it" or "you should improve yourself", its someone saying "you should kill yourself" bc they might push me to actually doing it

honestly the best thing isnt someone saying "you're worth it" or "you should improve yourself", its someone saying "you should kill yourself" bc they might push me to actually doing it

jfc lady...

This is what I'm talking about when I say this place is a toxic environment for people who are depressed.

whatever. honestly i tend to turn places into toxic environments alredy.

You ever consider finding a therapist?

i have one. hes a creep.

Why do you find him creepy?

And if you dont like him, you can always find another therapist.

i cant. i requested a switch from my other therapist and they gave me him. and i cant go anywhere elese bc my insurance doesnt cover it

My therapist im not totally on board with but it took like 6months to get in to see her so trying to swap seems like suifuel...

yeah it sucks. i dont like any of my therapists there either creepy old men or weird old women.

im sure you can find a therapist who has a more attractive face :2

you know thats not what i mean

he is a troll. don't take him seriously.

She isn't depressed, she's an attention whore.

I've seen tons of people try to use positive encouragement here and they're met with aggressive sarcasm/outright insults. It's kind of ironic. You guys claim you want people to empathize with you but you lash out at anyone who does.

They seem well-intentioned generally, but sometimes advice-givers do come off as condescending or giving advice that's been given ad-nauseum like taking a shower, brush your teeth, etc.

Doesn't matter. You can't complain about nobody being nice to you when you're yelling at the people who are trying to be nice to you.

Maybe. They should just be more aware went they advise, is all, and temper the condescension. Of course there're some crazoids in here, but a lot of the incels are younger and are frustrated, so they lash out.

You think you are being nice for giving unsolicited advice that we've heard a billion times before and it doesn't work? It's incredibly disrespectful.

Defensiveness is a trait that usually drives people away.

Where did I say that I want normies here?

I really dont care who you want on this board.

But this post is about how men dont recieve validation and empathy for their problems. If you're really defensive about your problems, people are less likely to empathize with you and validate them.

The post points out a fact and lets you go "AHAH checkmate teehee." Don't look too far in.

You have missed the point.

Men come here to vent and share their feelings. These posts you mention proceed to tell X man to do X, Y, Z simple thing that he's already doing and his issue will go away. There's no acknowledgement of the problems the guy is facing, it essentially is just a lame attempt at blaming the guys problems on himself.

Nobody does that to women in the same situation. Instead they are shown empathy. Doing this on a female sub often leads to a ban for "invalidation".

The point here is when a man has an issue the immediate response is "your masculine duty is to solve it by yourself" but when a woman has a problem they are met with "I am so sorry you're experiencing that, people can be assholes".

You guys claim you want people to empathize with you but you lash out at anyone who does.

We lash out at faking it just to "study us" in their words.

It works though. Men who don't get motivated by getting slammed and provoked are low-T numales/betas and therefore irrelevant anyway.

Yeah, just no reason for us to do anything than take it out on others because our lives are hopeless though.

HOLY SHIT THATS TRUE HERE IS THE PROOF:

Both are Quora questions about how is it like to be ugly, just look at the difference in upvotes and in atitude, men are told to change the way they behave, women just get emotional support and validation!

Man

[Woman](https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-feel-like-to-be-an-unattractive-woman]

MIL. Absolute sui fuel. The girls all have bfs and claim they were only only when they were younger. Proof that all females think they are more attractive than they are due to hypergamy and societal acceptance

Hate is nonsense but why this retard say "really hard" ?

You have to work hard to avoid the blackpill

Because he's knows it's an effort not to hate women when they hate you...

From an anonymous male:

I am 5′7″ (1.70 m) — for a man, this is the kiss of death, in terms of courting.

Imagine a woman saying anything similar about breast size or any other sexually dimorphic feature that is determined by genetics. Women are shallow af. The size of your bones literally means more than personality to them. Men need to wake the fuck up.

I got banned from twoxchromosomes for equating feminism to fascism if that makes you feel better.

No. I just hate feminism. I think it's a mental illness.

Why

Women are more encouraged to express their feelings. Men aren't as much. If the culture changed to encourage men more, then men would get the same validation.

If the culture changed

We don't decide what the culture is. Normies do.

Women do. Women have all the power in the world.

If you exclude cases like when a woman is in a direct leadership position (like an employer or supervisor) then women only have influence over men because men give it to them. Often from beta orbiters or normies that are being used by the women.

Twitch streams and Reddit ewhores are a good example of this. You will always see people complaining about femoid streamers showing their tits off in /r/livestreamfail, but it is other males that are giving them attention and validation.

I'm a woman and every time I got depressed I got met with suspicion and annoyance from doctors and entourage alike, friends uncomfortably backing away and never talking to me again, brothers blocking me, parents kicking me out, boyfriends dumping me, "just stop being depressed", "we can't help you with that LOL you're an adult don't be ridiculous", "your problems aren't real", and then the healthcare system having nothing for people like me.

It would be very easy to point out that meanwhile, many incels live with their parents and have their mom take care of them. But that would be a generalization, right? And how many incels completely dismiss the parental love and support they receive and claim to have "no one" like their parents don't freaking count as human beings?

Now I also have to compound with this new trend which is to say "women can't be depressed" because according to meninists as long as men want to fuck you it's impossible to be depressed!

Yes, it would. The "living in parents basement" meme is fucking dumb and if you use it, you're not worth listening too.

Very sad story though.

I guess I was trying to say one generalization (incels live with parents) is as bad as the other (women get cuddled).

It's more socially accepted for women to talk about their feelings and while that might not be your experience perse, you're the exception then.

Cuddled might be the worng word, but then again, you're the only person who used that word in this thread.

Are you saying most incels don't live with their parents? You should make a survey and find out. A lot are teenagers so I'm pretty it would be a sweeping majority of incels who live with their parents.

Okay and?

"Every time I got depressed"

Lmao. This is exactly how you know women cannot be depressed. You can't suddenly turn on and turn off depression, dumb ass roastie. Holy shit it's so fucking true what we say. Women literally say they have depression over the dumbest shit ever

"Oh my god my boyfriend Chad just dumped me! I'll never find anyone like him again because I'm only attracted to top 20% men. WOEEEEE IS MEEEEEEE"

fucking LOL.

You're probably too young to understand depression? Cause statically if you have one depression, you have 50% chance of having a second one, and if you have a second one you're pretty much guaranteed to have a third one.

every time I got depressed

You really don't know how depression works do ya

I do actually. I went to medical school and did my psychiatry class.

It can in fact come and go. You are the ignorant one in this case. Oops, at least now you know better 😂

LOL WOMAN HERE, HEY GUYS DID YALL KNOW IM A WOMAN!? smh

How else am I supposed to make my point that women don't get endless validation from their peers and family

Anecdotes are great evidence, yessir.

If it happens to me, I'm sure it happens to other. Everybody acts the same. And anyway, OP was basing himself on anecdotes too. His anecdote is no stronger than mine.

no, because his is a real gender stereotype and double standard. Wtf is yours? Are you seriously saying women arent validated constantly for everything?

I already explained this. His stereotype is that women coddled by their entourage when they are sad - it is false. I said that would be like saying all incels live with their parents and their parents take care of them - that is also false.

It is true. The thing about stereotypes is that they have some truth to them. Although not 100% true. Women have their ass kissed generally just for existing.

No, that's not true. However if you took a survey you would probably find out that incels do live with their parents and get taken care of.

No, Incel doesnt mean neet. You can be chad looks but be a neet.( but if they were smart, they would marry rich femoid).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Women_are_wonderful%22_effect

Read.

"Women are wonderful" effect

The women-are-wonderful effect is the phenomenon found in psychological and sociological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with women compared to men. This bias reflects an emotional bias toward women as a general case. The phrase was coined by Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in 1994 after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign positive traits to women, with female participants showing a far more pronounced bias. Positive traits were assigned to men by participants of both genders, but to a lesser degree.

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How much more hivemind can you be?

Very low iq comment.

Because manginas. Manginas everywhere.

The OP is literally anecdotes

The patriarchal protection of women as property never included mental health though. I suggest you research the treatment of mentally ill women in the 1700s, along with that it took to be considered mentally ill. Yes men fought in wars, but they were also the ones who actively kept women from doing so.

Women DID receive gender-specific treatments in both the 18th and 19th century, and the idea of madness became very synonymous with women. Then of course came the diagnosis "hysteria". Treatments for women could include such progressive treatments as removal of the clitoris, and it was done in accordance with the wishes of man in charge of the woman. Men were locked up and treated badly as well of course, but the low social status and lack of rights for women certainly led to a huge number of women being admitted for various causes, everything from having sex to having too many opinions or studying too much. More women could be admitted simply because they had less rights, and that certainly goes against the whole "protection of women" thing.

Yes there are women who don't want to fight, just as there are men who don't want to fight. Some people simply don't want to fight, whether it be for protection of ones own or for more...questionable reasons.

Let me just say how impressed I am that you even commented in a place like this. This group is wonderful to look at from the outside cause they’re just so damn interesting, I hope you don’t take them too seriously.

It's literally a crime for males to be weak or vulnerable

And that's because they have no one to catch them if they fall

Unlike females who can always seek shelter in the opposite sex

I get the "you're a cry baby bitch dude, no girl is going to want you how you're acting"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Women_are_wonderful%22_effect

People tend to have a positive bias towards women

"Women are wonderful" effect

The women-are-wonderful effect is the phenomenon found in psychological and sociological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with women compared to men. This bias reflects an emotional bias toward women as a general case. The phrase was coined by Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in 1994 after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign positive traits to women, with female participants showing a far more pronounced bias. Positive traits were assigned to men by participants of both genders, but to a lesser degree.

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Repeat after me.

Feminists reinforce traditionalist masculinity by constantly ridiculing males with issues they want to speak about (not "real men").

As men we just can’t ever face oppression. The world revolves around what we want. Letting my wife have sex with multiple men every week is the least I could do to make up for my privelage

EGGS = EXPENSIVE

SPERM = CHEAP

its because evolutionarily speaking, its more beneficial to have a woman survive regardless of however broken she is - because she's an extra pregnancy pod. :2

whereas if a man is displaying weakness, they'll try to goad and shame him into "making himself useful" or suicide - either he falls back into line and they can continue to take advantage of his disposability or he'll kill himself and be removed from the mating pool.

Normal fags downvoting my shit smh

Why do you find him creepy?

And if you dont like him, you can always find another therapist.

im sure you can find a therapist who has a more attractive face :2

Yeah, just no reason for us to do anything than take it out on others because our lives are hopeless though.