I don't post pics of myself on Reddit, sorry pal. And my boyfriend isn't ugly, but he's certainly not Chad. Are you really young or something? I feel like oftentimes yeah young girls can be like this (especially if your only source is Tinder. Basically every girl there is looking to have a one-night stand as far as I understand) but many people grow out of that superficial phase. For sure though, you see tons of like 19 year olds wanting to just sleep with super attractive guys, but honestly, why would you be interested in someone like that in the first place? I dunno, this is just kind of stream-of-consciousness and I'm not going to proof read it 'cause I'm going to bed now. So, if you reply, I'll probably reply back in the morning. Goodnight.
Assume what you want about me. I’m not a member of this subreddit. I just happened to stumble across this gold mine of cringe and ridiculousness while browsing other threads
Says the guy who posts on the liberal circlejerk world news, and the hate sub reddit incel tears. Does it make you feel better to make fun of people online since your life sucks?
Lol, I'm not a hoe, and no I'll never get an ugly boyfriend (unless somehow mine becomes ugly), because me and mine 1. love each other and 2. have a child together, so we intend to stay together. So you fuck off. Just 'cause I'm happy with someone who I don't think is ugly doesn't mean I'm a hoe for not breaking up with him to date someone ugly. That's really stupid.
And not to mention, I've definitely dated guys who fit your stupid criteria for being ugly (and have seen pictures posted by Incels of themselves, who have certainly been more handsome than some of the guys I've dated. I can't remember his username but there was one Incel who was crying because he was Indian and short therefore "no one would ever love him" and I tried to tell him that's simply not true - not to mention he wasn't ugly, which was his main concern - but he was so set in this ridiculous mindset that obviously I was lying for some reason unbeknownst to me). Yes, looks are important on Tinder because people are just there to hook up. Looks are far less important in real life, where people actually, you know, talk to each other and stuff.
Why, do you think that's not old enough to see that like high school students and the few years after are more likely to hoe around? I feel like Incels in high school are just making a really poor choice of buying into this bullshit, since like, many people don't have relationships at that time, and even if they do, they're generally not good ones :/. It's not worth being this hateful over.
Lol, well, I would never make an online dating profile. Like, never have and certainly never will. And I've never actively gone looking for a relationship, I'm pretty extroverted so I've always just met people either through friends, work, at concerts or otherwise through musical interest, spoken to them, realized we had the same interests (generally music, again - I analyzed this once because an Incel asked me about what I look for in a man, and I found that literally the only common denominator with men I've dated has been that we have the same musical interest), decided to hang out again after the initial meeting/realizing we had these same interests, and dated from there.
Not to be insulting but you're looking too deeply into my questions. I wasn't presuming you did or would make an online profile I was using it as an example to explain what I was talking about hence the "may or may not be in the position to look for it via online." I was mostly looking for say for example how long have you been with your current boyfriend. You said you had a child, so I'm assuming you haven't been single and able to morally date around and hookup (assuming you're not poly) for at least a few years. I'm wondering if perhaps the bigger "online dating scene" and how things are like for single people these days seems at least imo vastly different than how it used to be. I feel this happens with every generation but the reason for the questions is I did not want to presume anything about you.
I'm not an Incel so you don't need go so hard lol I'm just trying to have a discussion with you because I'm only 23, I've been in the dating scene and I've had multiple relationships but I have to find myself agreeing with some of the rhetoric "some" incels have. But it varies, I may occasionally get in on the meme but I don't believe AWALT. I do however think a lot of what you are saying is fairly naive, especially since you're not looking at it through a man's perspective.
... But the men I've dated have all met me in the same way I met them, ie concerts, through friends, etc. Meaning they didn't go online either to find a girlfriend. I personally think the whole online dating thing is a bad idea, especially for those with low self-esteem, that's why I mentioned that it's not something I'd ever be interested in, even if I ever was single again (hopefully I never will be, though). Honestly though, I'd rather be single than use fucking Tinder. I don't want to hook-up, and I never really have. And I don't think finding a real relationship on there is easy, either. One of my best friends about 7 years ago, maybe before Tinder was the big thing, she used Plenty Of Fish and wanted a real relationship, so guys would talk to her and tell her oh yeah, I'm interested in that too! Then meet her, try to fuck her, and never talk to her again. She was misguided enough by their online niceness to sometimes sleep with them thinking that would help her get a relationship, but of course it never worked. Anyways, sorry to rant about online dating, it's just a big pet peeve of mine. Fucking meet people in real life! (Not you specifically, just in general).
Hey sorry had to go do some errands and go to work, but yeah so to continue:
... But the men I've dated have all met me in the same way I met them, ie concerts, through friends, etc. Meaning they didn't go online either to find a girlfriend.
How long have you been with your boyfriend? The internet has made dating more online than ever. For people my age majority of the time they meet people online, and for people with anxiety or mental health issues all they can really do is resort to online dating because it's difficult for them to approach or do it face to face. (Yes that's a problem that they should work on but this is a phenomenon affecting both men and women) But yeah, I would agree with you that a lot of people don't meet online lol. Let me ask you this, would it be a fair statement to say that women have the advantage when it comes to dating, especially online? Men are normally the chasers and women are normally the choosers. You may not be that way but would you agree that's normally how things are looked at from a societal point of view?
I personally think the whole online dating thing is a bad idea, especially for those with low self-esteem, that's why I mentioned that it's not something I'd ever be interested in, even if I ever was single again (hopefully I never will be, though).
I agree with you, but for women or attractive men it can be massively ego boosting to be matched with tons of people. It's a validation they receive on a constant basis, and my point is women don't really have to try that hard majority of the time. You say for a lot of your relationships they just kind of happened as you lived your life, now I'm not going to presume anything but how many times would you estimate you initiated first? You showed interest and made the first move?
Honestly though, I'd rather be single than use fucking Tinder. I don't want to hook-up, and I never really have. And I don't think finding a real relationship on there is easy, either. One of my best friends about 7 years ago, maybe before Tinder was the big thing, she used Plenty Of Fish and wanted a real relationship, so guys would talk to her and tell her oh yeah, I'm interested in that too! Then meet her, try to fuck her, and never talk to her again. She was misguided enough by their online niceness to sometimes sleep with them thinking that would help her get a relationship, but of course it never worked.
I agree it's stupid lol I voluntarily choose to refrain from dating entirely, personally. Tinder is a hookup app like you say, and online dating can really only work if you're attractive or a woman.
To answer your question about if I think women have the advantage in dating, especially online, I would say I don't know personally because I have zero field evidence. I couldn't answer that question any better than you could.
And my boyfriend and I, we've been together for like ~3 years? A bit longer, but I don't have an exact date. So like, Tinder existed and was popular before he and I started dating. I just didn't use it, and never will. I understand what you mean about how people get validation from it, but I suppose that's more of a young person thing. Maybe I just don't care as much anymore about validation, but like, I'd be annoyed if I kept getting messages from guys who just wanted to hook up. A friend of mine who's a single mother made an account on Tinder for curiosity, and just wrote straight honesty like "I'm a single mother of two and I'm a recovering alcoholic, looking for a relationship" with non-dolled-up pictures of her with her kids and stuff. And she got a few messages right away and was excited, like, hey maybe I can date again! But it was just guys saying things like "hey baby can you sit on my face?" (lolol) so she deleted the app. She's going to find a way to meet people in real life since she's not interested in the hook-up culture. So you know what, I guess my story could evidence either point - the men messaged her, so it could be easier for her to hook-up if she wanted, but also, if she agreed, it would be an easy hook-up for the guy. You know what I mean? Could go either way.
So, my last relationship before I got together with my partner now, he and I met through a friend - he was staying on said friend's couch for a few weeks until the friend's roommate moved out and he could move in. I just went over to visit my friend because he lived right across from me, and while I was there I met this guy, who I immediately could tell was a punk, had a mohawk and was probably wearing a band t-shirt, so we immediately got to talking about music, found out we like the same type of music, started hanging out, started going out. I'm sure I initiated that one since I was in my work clothes so he couldn't tell what I was into.
A guy I met at a metal show, he was just walking by and me and my (male) friend were just drinking up on some metal balcony in the alley out back, and we called him over to invite him to have some of our alcohol, and he and I ended up exchanging information and going out.
Anyways, two stories, but I probably have initiated like half of my relationships? I'll think on it. I might not reply right away either, I think me and my baby are gonna go on a walk.
To answer your question about if I think women have the advantage in dating, especially online, I would say I don't know personally because I have zero field evidence. I couldn't answer that question any better than you could.
Well as I said, men are the chasers women are the choosers. In a lot of cases women literally just have to exist, so isn't that right there evidence in itself that there's a clear unequal playing field?
I understand what you mean about how people get validation from it, but I suppose that's more of a young person thing. Maybe I just don't care as much anymore about validation, but like, I'd be annoyed if I kept getting messages from guys who just wanted to hook up.
Sure but taking it from a man's perspective, especially someone on a sub like this, even just one actual human being matching and talking to them would mean a world of difference. My point is as you said, your friend instantly got matches of men wanting to bang. A man, unless very attractive, wouldn't get any of that, he in many cases would be lucky to get one match that isn't a bot let alone multiple asking to bang.
A friend of mine who's a single mother made an account on Tinder for curiosity etc...
The unfortunate truth is very few men want to date single mothers. So when you say things like you did earlier like "oh a lot of young entitled girls are like that but they change their mind with age when they eventually understand what they want yadda yadda" for a lot of men they look at it as "the woman reached the age where she isn't nearly as attractive as she once was and that instant/constant validation she once received is ever dwindling. To counter this, she sucks it up and gets with (as the Incels call it) a betabux provider who would consider himself lucky to simply be with someone, rather than no one and they dress it up as 'oh I just realized what I want in life' when in reality they had no choice but to choose the "beta" due to lack of decent options.
As a side note about single mothers, I steer way clear of them for a number of reasons. The most obvious being I don't like children. Can't stand their presence nor can I in good conscience entertain the thought of having any. So why on earth would I want to raise someone else's? Not to mention the loads of baby daddy drama that comes with them.
so you know what, I guess my story could evidence either point - the men messaged her, so it could be easier for her to hook-up if she wanted, but also, if she agreed, it would be an easy hook-up for the guy. You know what I mean? Could go either way.
I'm assuming she didn't agree to bang these guys so quickly because of their personality lol. Twas probably a mixture, but the point is looks are practically everything. If youre a man and you don't look good or have money then the dating world in a lot of ways is a fools errand.
So, my last relationship before I got together with my partner now, he and I met through a friend - he was staying on said friend's couch for a few weeks until the friend's roommate moved out and he could move in. I just went over to visit my friend because he lived right across from me, and while I was there I met this guy, who I immediately could tell was a punk, had a mohawk and was probably wearing a band t-shirt, so we immediately got to talking about music, found out we like the same type of music, started hanging out, started going out. I'm sure I initiated that one since I was in my work clothes so he couldn't tell what I was into.
I'm sure that went well and lasted a while lol.
A guy I met at a metal show, he was just walking by and me and my (male) friend were just drinking up on some metal balcony in the alley out back, and we called him over to invite him to have some of our alcohol, and he and I ended up exchanging information and going out.
Unless you're an attractive man or posses a vagina, you can't just do that. It's easier for you because you are a woman lol. Practically no one here who is a legitimate "Incel" could ever have that kind of situation go well for them. Think about the guys before, based on your description it's metal dudes. Punk dudes. "Bad boys." Average weight? Average dick length? Average number on the "looks scale?" People who inhabit this sub (and are serious about it which is becoming less and less apparent everyday as new trolls flood the sub constantly) can't fix their problems by simply going to the gym or looking at life with a nicer outlook. It helps, but if your genes are trash no amount of time going to the gym will help with that. It's also a mental block, a lot of these people have been bullied their entire lives. Treated like shit by "regular" people and when they complain their concerns are written off as unimportant or the whining of a virgin.
Anyways, two stories, but I probably have initiated like half of my relationships? I'll think on it. I might not reply right away either, I think me and my baby are gonna go on a walk.
You're not obligated to reply to me so either way it was good talking to you lol.
Okay, so we'll start with your critique of my two dating stories where I initiated things.
(We'll start with saying that I'm not into guys who are like bodybuilders, lol. That's always what I think of when people talk about guys going to the gym, I just picture really buff guys. I'm not into that.)
But anyways, so the guy I met at the metal show, are you critiquing because I went to him? You're saying a guy could never just approach a girl and invite her to have a sip from his bottle before a show? I don't think that's true. I've always accepted and been happy to chat if someone else is going to the concert and is also pre-drinking. Fuck yeah, let's be friends, lol.
And the guy I met through a friend with the mohawk and band-shirt, he and I "went out" for about a year. I put "went out" in quotes because we were never officially boyfriend and girlfriend, but apart from title we were. We had a lot of fun together, actually. More of a drinking and partying buddy most of the time, but we enjoyed it. In retrospect we were probably just enablers for each other, but we did have fun while it lasted.
Penis size, average height/weight lol. The metal show guy had a smallish penis, and was only about my height. We liked each other though and enjoyed each other's company. He even met my family. No hard feelings there, and it was him who broke up with me because I was too young (he was 3 and half years older than me, but I was only 19, so it makes sense). Mohawk guy had a big penis, which absolutely did not play a part in me staying with him :/ - it was very uncomfortable to have sex.
Like I said, regardless of going to the gym or whatever, I really don't think that has anything to do with my experience with punk/metal/whatever. You're ugly? Enjoy the music, mosh, if you're enough fun at a show how could you even manage to not talk to anyone? I guess unless you're an extreme introvert, in which case, you should probably work on trying to come out of your shell so you can interact with other humans. I know that's easy to say as an extrovert, but I love to talk to other people whenever I have the chance, basically. I met a nice 60 year old man on my walk today and we chatted about his hair, lol.
And I understand why you'd steer clear of single mothers. It makes sense. It's much harder for them to date, as per my friend's example. People are down to fuck, but that's it, and it's going to be harder for her to find a partner especially since she can't meet them anywhere around alcohol, ie bar, concert, whatever, so she's wondering what other places she could meet someone.
I dunno man, tell me what else you'd like me to reply to, but your comment is so long I don't want to read through it again, I'm sorry.
(We'll start with saying that I'm not into guys who are like bodybuilders, lol. That's always what I think of when people talk about guys going to the gym, I just picture really buff guys. I'm not into that.)
Doesn't even have to be really buff, just not overweight/weak.
But anyways, so the guy I met at the metal show, are you critiquing because I went to him? You're saying a guy could never just approach a girl and invite her to have a sip from his bottle before a show? I don't think that's true. I've always accepted and been happy to chat if someone else is going to the concert and is also pre-drinking. Fuck yeah, let's be friends, lol.
I'm saying most guys will not have well received reactions to that invitation, whereas there's a VERY huge chance that a woman will just based on you being a woman. It's also one thing to invite people to drink your liquor for you and call them "friends" and it's another to take one of the girls you met home with you.
Penis size, average height/weight lol. The metal show guy had a smallish penis, and was only about my height.
What do you consider "average?"
We liked each other though and enjoyed each other's company. He even met my family. No hard feelings there,
You're making it sound like him being average in every way (which I don't believe he was based on your description) is a deal breaker. "Yeah he was average in every way but we liked each other, I even let him meet my family so ya know sometimes I'll slum it with an average guy once in a while."
(Not necessarily saying that's what you said, but that's what it sounds like based on your statement)
and it was him who broke up with me because I was too young (he was 3 and half years older than me, but I was only 19, so it makes sense). Mohawk guy had a big penis, which absolutely did not play a part in me staying with him :/ - it was very uncomfortable to have sex.
I hear women claim that on a constant basis, yet I would be willing to bet they'd opt for the larger every time.
i guess unless you're an extreme introvert, in which case, you should probably work on trying to come out of your shell so you can interact with other humans. I know that's easy to say as an extrovert, but I love to talk to other people whenever I have the chance, basically. I met a nice 60 year old man on my walk today and we chatted about his hair, lol.
It is very easy for you to say as an extrovert. Men are raised differently than women. I was told when I was a kid to suck up my problems, to live with what I got and fuck everyone else because they won't help you in life. Only person who can help you is you. Because of this I became distrustful of other people, it's a chore for me to make friends, even though I feel as if I'm a decent conversation and a decent person. But of course that's not for me to judge as I can't look at myself from an objective point of view.
When I was in high school I'd see the nicest most "popular" girls befriend dudes who were absolute scumbags to me and my friends. If you weren't apart of that clique you were ostracised and treated like shit. But the women never noticed this or didn't care, they saw the decent looking dude being nice to them and ignored what they were like towards other people. While this is a personal phenomenon I've noticed, I can't help but still notice it even in my mid 20s. A lot of dudes have been treated like such shit in the past that it seems to them arrogant on behalf of the other person to suggest they "just get out of their shell" when every attempt in the past to do that very suggestion is met with shutdowns, bullying, ghosting, or complete embarrassing failure.
While I realize if you want to be happy one must get over these hurtles, but judging from our discussion here I feel it's safe to say you have never felt the crushing loneliness a lot of men nowadays feel. The cliches you can offer are pretty much white noise to a lot of the types of people I'm talking about. And to also hear you so callously talk about your sex life as if it was just a normal part of everyday life would be what incels call "suicide fuel" because a very large portion of men won't ever experience half of what you did. Imagine never having your first kiss. Imagine never feeling close or hugging someone before. Imagine every attempt at obtaining that has been met with abysmal failure, that's how a lot of the men here (who are serious) feel and it's not something that can be solved by a random anon on the internet ya know?
And I understand why you'd steer clear of single mothers. It makes sense. It's much harder for them to date, as per my friend's example. People are down to fuck, but that's it, and it's going to be harder for her to find a partner especially since she can't meet them anywhere around alcohol, ie bar, concert, whatever, so she's wondering what other places she could meet someone.
I dunno man, tell me what else you'd like me to reply to, but your comment is so long I don't want to read through it again, I'm sorry.
Again you're not obligated to read or reply to me. It's all good lol I won't be heartbroken I'm just a security guard with a lot of time on his hands.
Alright another long comment, I'll do my best. First off, I'm a bit annoyed by what you got out of the descriptions of those guys I dated. The guy from the metal show, who you keep saying that I just "slummed around with 'cause he was average", that is just not true. He was my first boyfriend out of a long high-school relationship, and I was super happy about him. I introduced him to all my friends 'cause he was fucking cool. My friends are mostly metalheads and punks too, so we all got along very well, and they all thought he was super cool too. They're all still friends with him on Facebook, as am I. I would not use average to describe him, if I had to choose a word lol. I'd probably choose "cool" because he was quite a metalhead and I loved going out with him. He met my family because I was going out with him on my birthday when I turned 19, so he came out for lunch with us and my mom drove him home 2 towns over. I'm confused by what you want out of this.
What I was saying about the gym, and how buff guys disturb me, is that I've always been okay with a pretty skinny guy. He doesn't have to be strong or like lift me up or anything, lol. I've dated very thin guys that I was bigger than (and I'm a pretty small person usually - bigger than normal right now due to having baby, but losing the weight), as well as overweight guys. Actually my first love was an overweight guy.
Oh and about offering alcohol/calling them friends, that happens basically every time I drink in public, if I see someone else (male or female, doesn't matter) drinking. I always want to share, lol. I would imagine it would be a bad idea taking someone home after sharing a street-drink/alley-drink with them though. That sounds kind of like rape. I just said that metal guy and I exchanged numbers and stuff, and got together again another time, not that I literally went home from the show with him. That would be a bit much, don't you think?
As for "average" for penis size, I'm a little angry that you assume most women would choose a larger one every time :/. I've had two guys with large penises, and basically it was uncomfortable the whole time whenever I had sex with either of them. I never came, once, the whole time I was with either of them. But I've been with two guys with pretty small penises, and I had much better sex with both of them, hands down. I don't know what average is, since I obviously never took out a ruler while we were having sex, lol, but based on my own field research I'm going with what I feel is average, and I'm sure I'm right.
Let's talk about your idea of "a very large portion of men won't ever experience half of what you did". What do you consider a very large portion of men? I'm going to go ahead and say that many Incels are young, and they're depressed, so they're buying into this mindset that women are evil and have these crazy motives and only date "Chads" blah blah blah. It's ridiculous. Many men don't get their first girlfriend until they're in their 20's. Short men who claim "it's over" because they're short? The only reason "it's over" is because of their fucking attitude, 100%. I know short men with fucking families. Not all women are like that. Sorry for ranting a bit at you, but it really enrages me.
And yes, I've felt crushing loneliness. I was a depressed emo teenager too, and you wouldn't believe the things that I said and wrote. It's a good thing Reddit or Facebook didn't exist then, because I probably would've had to get new accounts due to embarrassment. And like, I don't even get embarrassed anymore because logically I've realized there's no point, but despite that I'd still feel embarrassed reading through my old LiveJournal or Blurty. So fuck off (in the kindest way possible) saying I've never experienced loneliness or like true sadness.
I don't think that most Incels here have tried "every attempt at obtaining that has been met with abysmal failure". I think a lot of the Incels here are young and have not truly tried to date, except for perhaps making a Tinder profile, and you know how I feel about that.
And I know it was rude of me about "getting out of your shell" but man, it worked for me. Fucking take drama classes if you're still in high school (again, not you, but any Incel reading this who's still in high school). Seriously helps you open up, man.
Alright another long comment, I'll do my best. First off, I'm a bit annoyed by what you got out of the descriptions of those guys I dated. The guy from the metal show, who you keep saying that I just "slummed around with 'cause he was average", that is just not true.
I didn't say that's what you said, I'm saying that's what it sounded like you said.
He was my first boyfriend out of a long high-school relationship, and I was super happy about him. I introduced him to all my friends 'cause he was fucking cool. My friends are mostly metalheads and punks too, so we all got along very well, and they all thought he was super cool too.
This is exactly my flippin point lmao
They're all still friends with him on Facebook, as am I. I would not use average to describe him, if I had to choose a word lol.
Again, exactly my point. He was "better" than average even though you described him as average in the beginning. The people I'm talking about would be considered far below average.
I'd probably choose "cool" because he was quite a metalhead and I loved going out with him. He met my family because I was going out with him on my birthday when I turned 19, so he came out for lunch with us and my mom drove him home 2 towns over. I'm confused by what you want out of this.
I know guys who have never even hugged another human being at 19.
I would imagine it would be a bad idea taking someone home after sharing a street-drink/alley-drink with them though. That sounds kind of like rape. I just said that metal guy and I exchanged numbers and stuff, and got together again another time, not that I literally went home from the show with him. That would be a bit much, don't you think?
You completely missed my point lol. It's easy to find someone to drink with you, but I'm talking about dating and how it's nearly impossible for a man to do what you did unless he was objectively considered "cool" or attractive.
As for "average" for penis size, I'm a little angry that you assume most women would choose a larger one every time :/.
From my experience, it is definitely the norm.
I've had two guys with large penises, and basically it was uncomfortable the whole time whenever I had sex with either of them. I never came, once, the whole time I was with either of them. But I've been with two guys with pretty small penises, and I had much better sex with both of them, hands down. I don't know what average is, since I obviously never took out a ruler while we were having sex, lol, but based on my own field research I'm going with what I feel is average, and I'm sure I'm right.
If you don't know what average is how can you accurately answer my question? Your idea of big and my idea of big are clearly two different things.
Let's talk about your idea of "a very large portion of men won't ever experience half of what you did". What do you consider a very large portion of men?
Bottom tier, unattractive men. The standards women set nowadays are ridiculous, 5'9" is considered short.
I'm going to go ahead and say that many Incels are young, and they're depressed, so they're buying into this mindset that women are evil and have these crazy motives and only date "Chads" blah blah blah. It's ridiculous.
I agree stating that "all" women are evil and only date Chad's is a stupid statement to make, but generally speaking, most women date far above their own rating. There are also plenty of men who aren't teenagers going through what I'm talking about.
Many men don't get their first girlfriend until they're in their 20's.
Don't you think there's a reason for that? It's because women opt to go after the far more attractive dudes only taking a step back and dating someone a bit more average when they either get burned by their former boyfriends or end up a single mother.
Short men who claim "it's over" because they're short? The only reason "it's over" is because of their fucking attitude, 100%.
I agree, but they are most definitely disadvantaged. Ya know I don't see any feminists for instance pushing male body acceptance. No penis size acceptance, no "healthy at any height." Yet I see them coddling women, telling them they deserve only the best even if they're morbidly obese.
I know short men with fucking families. Not all women are like that. Sorry for ranting a bit at you, but it really enrages me.
I know a short guy whose actually a few months older than me. He's been cheated on in nearly every relationship he's been in, his most recent one he won't let go of despite her cheating multiple times. Sure, that's just one example, but so is your examples of men with families. I'm not saying its entirely over for short men or unattractive men or men with small Dicks, but it's most definitely difficult for them. Far more difficult in my opinion than it would be if they had a vagina.
And yes, I've felt crushing loneliness. I was a depressed emo teenager too, and you wouldn't believe the things that I said and wrote.
The people I'm talking about have been like this their entire lives. Not just during an emo teenager phase, and they didn't end up dating someone after high school. The people I'm talking about haven't had so much as their first kiss, there's one dude I know in particular whose 26 and has still never had a girlfriend. Not to diminish your feelings because we've all felt loneliness, but not that kind of loneliness. That is reserved for a select few, majority of them being men. Go on r/foreveralonedating, nearly all of the posts are men. The ones that are women are normally highly upvoted by comparison.
It's a good thing Reddit or Facebook didn't exist then, because I probably would've had to get new accounts due to embarrassment. And like, I don't even get embarrassed anymore because logically I've realized there's no point, but despite that I'd still feel embarrassed reading through my old LiveJournal or Blurty.
We all have done cringey shit in the past. lol.
So fuck off (in the kindest way possible) saying I've never experienced loneliness or like true sadness.
Again, you haven't experienced the level of loneliness I'm speaking about.
I don't think that most Incels here have tried "every attempt at obtaining that has been met with abysmal failure". I think a lot of the Incels here are young and have not truly tried to date, except for perhaps making a Tinder profile, and you know how I feel about that.
I agree with you.
And I know it was rude of me about "getting out of your shell" but man, it worked for me. Fucking take drama classes if you're still in high school (again, not you, but any Incel reading this who's still in high school). Seriously helps you open up, man.
I'm annoyed that basically everything I'm saying is being downplayed because I'm a woman. Loneliness not the same, getting out of my shell not the same, whatever. It's kind of rude, but I don't know what else I'd expect on this sub, lol.
I was only saying that I was enamoured by the metal head guy because he was older than me and had piercings and tattoos therefore I thought he was super cool. It doesn't mean he was like the most attractive guy or anything. Cool is different than attractive.
And I looked up average penis length for you, and I knew I was right. Average is 5 inches erect, so the large penises I'm talking about were like 9 inches, and I would never ever choose a penis like that again. I'm surprised by your research saying that women would always pick the bigger one. My friends who I've spoken to about this agree with me - the bigger is not the better. So whatever, I guess you know more official women than me if your evidence is more true than mine.
I don't feel like responding to the rest, I'm kind mad lol.
I'm annoyed that basically everything I'm saying is being downplayed because I'm a woman. Loneliness not the same, getting out of my shell not the same, whatever. It's kind of rude, but I don't know what else I'd expect on this sub, lol.
Explain to me how the two are possibly compatible. You being a sad emo for a few years in highschool compared to a heavily depressed adult whom still after highschool can't get a date. If we were having a "loneliness dick measuring contest" you would lose.
I was only saying that I was enamoured by the metal head guy because he was older than me and had piercings and tattoos therefore I thought he was super cool. It doesn't mean he was like the most attractive guy or anything. Cool is different than attractive.
I agree with you, but the people I'm talking about are neither considered cool nor attractive mostly based on their looks.
And I looked up average penis length for you, and I knew I was right. Average is 5 inches erect, so the large penises I'm talking about were like 9 inches, and I would never ever choose a penis like that again. I'm surprised by your research saying that women would always pick the bigger one. My friends who I've spoken to about this agree with me - the bigger is not the better. So whatever, I guess you know more official women than me if your evidence is more true than mine.
I didn't do "research" to come to that conclusion unless you consider my personal experience to be research. Also we tend to pick friends that are like us, so it's not surprising you're hanging around with people that may claim they don't care. Also, my ex claimed she didn't care then blasted my ass when we broke up. How can I possibly believe anyone when they say something like that?
I don't feel like responding to the rest, I'm kind mad lol.
That's alright, I only come to this sub to get angry anyways. I don't know why I do it to myself, lol, but realistically it is my own fault.
Yeah, your ex was a bitch for saying that. Well, for pretending that penis size wasn't an issue for her, then actually saying it was. That's like, super bitch, no offense since you dated her or anything. I guess I just associate and surround myself with nice people. Anyone who's horrible, I don't bother with. Again, that's high school shit, putting up with people you don't need to put up with.
Maybe my level of caring about things has just hit an all-time low (it may have), but like, I guess I have a hard time empathizing because I've come to the realization that none of that shit matters. Girlfriend or not, life fucking goes on. Life fucking goes on no matter what unless you decide it's so bad that you kill yourself. But even then, that's a shitty thing to do and even though you pretend nobody cares about you, people do. You'll hurt someone if you do that, you know? (Not you, I'm just ranting).
I'm half drunk now so I'm not that focused on my replies anymore, lol. I might not reply again tonight because I'm gonna go to bed soon, but presumably I'll be cooled down by morning and be able to respond again with a level head.
Yeah, your ex was a bitch for saying that. Well, for pretending that penis size wasn't an issue for her, then actually saying it was. That's like, super bitch, no offense since you dated her or anything. I guess I just associate and surround myself with nice people. Anyone who's horrible, I don't bother with. Again, that's high school shit, putting up with people you don't need to put up with.
Is it only high school shit though? My ex was 10 years older than me. And no it's fine I don't take offense, she is a major bitch.
Maybe my level of caring about things has just hit an all-time low (it may have), but like, I guess I have a hard time empathizing because I've come to the realization that none of that shit matters. Girlfriend or not, life fucking goes on. Life fucking goes on no matter what unless you decide it's so bad that you kill yourself. But even then, that's a shitty thing to do and even though you pretend nobody cares about you, people do. You'll hurt someone if you do that, you know? (Not you, I'm just ranting).
I agree with you but as I mentioned earlier, so many people haven't experienced a tiny millisecond of the experiences you have and most of these people happen to be men. That's really what I'm trying to hammer home, men are disadvantaged when it comes to dating. I'd also boldly claim that arguably men have less rights than women, but that's a different topic lol.
I'm half drunk now so I'm not that focused on my replies anymore, lol. I might not reply again tonight because I'm gonna go to bed soon, but presumably I'll be cooled down by morning and be able to respond again with a level head.
Again no pressure to respond at all. As I said it was a decent discussion regardless and I appreciate you entertaining my "devils advocate" like argument. Enjoy the rest of your night!
So since so many people use it, it means no one interacts in real life? It shouldn't stop you from meeting people in real life, even if lots of people use Tinder.
I saw elsewhere in your thread that you're 27. You were just late to Tinder and related apps not only being mainstream but essential for "normal" adolescents.
I don't really expect you to understand the realities of 21 year olds that have had to deal with a Tinder based dating scene since 16.
I have friends who online dated (POF) and had shit luck with it because it was a hook-up app (er, maybe it was a computer thing at that point. I dunno if smart phones existed yet). I don't see why you HAVE to use Tinder. Would you mind explaining why you can't meet girls in real life? Like, do you not go out and interact with people on a regular basis? It would only make sense to speak to women.
Women don't want to be approached in real life, not unless you're really attractive. Most young women use tinder to date and hook up now, so that's where you have to be if you're a young male.
Stop telling me what women do or don't like, lol. I'm a woman, so I think I have more knowledge on the subject than you do. God, it is so frustrating trying to drill facts into your heads. You don't have to be super attractive to talk to a woman in real life - that is ridiculous.
Lol, well don't approach them and try to kiss them or anything. Yes, that would be sexual harassment. But talking to someone? That isn't street harassment. Not to mention, what, you'll just go and try to hit on women on the street?? That is not what I mean, obviously. Go somewhere that interests you where people there will have the same interest. Start by talking about that. You know, conversation.
Uhh... what do you even mean "this isn't really a thing anymore"? People don't go out of their houses? People aren't part of teams or groups of any kind? People don't go to freaking concerts? What am I, a dinosaur? ... So, what do you DO?
If you're a nerd you join groups like to play DND or Magic (my best friend and her boyfriend do that). I joined a mom and baby group recently. I've been invited to join a cooking club. My boyfriend used to meet a group of other Hispanic men who played soccer together. Do you want some more examples?
Pissed at her for showing interest? Are you new here?
I'm Chad. But I have serious disdain for basically all females because they tell men that they want nice guys for their personality and that they don't care about looks. They treat incels like shit because they aren't attractive. They let me talk shit and say whatever I want but if an incel were to say the same shit they would be called creeps.
They are all whores who just want to be choke fucked by Chad. Gtfo here you clueless pussy.
If you are fairly attractive then yeah, you'll get a few girls like that who will contact you and keep interest in you irregardless if your personality. It's called being shallow. I actually am a woman who dates women exclusively and I'm fairly attractive too. I get these type of women who message me and I just choose to ignore it. Men are the same way though. I have had many men message me irregardless of the fact that I have put in my profile that I'm not interested. Men will also allow women to treat them like shit if they are really attractive too. I'm not seeing why you hate all women or have this view of them because you have had messages from shallow women.
any girl that expresses interest in guys who will "ruin their life" might actually be the ones shooting themselves in the foot before their life starts
There isn’t a difference between Tinder and real life. Tinder just exposes the nature of femoids because they are relatively anonymous and don’t fear social repercussions.
those same women who don't give a fuck about personality on tinder are the same women you're SUPPOSED to have a good personality for if you even want a chance at beta buxxing them
People using tinder are actively just looking for a hot person to fuck. Not everyone on tinder is actively using it. Someone can have a tinder account and only use it on occasion.
When it comes to people looking for a relationship and not just a random fuck, then that is when personality matters.
But for hookups? Yeah, pretty much just looks for both parties. Male and female.
I mean, you have to be physically attracted to someone, yes, but everyone has different features they are attracted to. And people can become physically attracted to someone after knowing their personality.
Plenty of average looking people date and reproduce, so clearly people are finding these average people attractive.
No, thats BB/AF. And they use normie joe to pop out a kid if they want one. No one gets them off like chad. These days average is ugly, average is a settle. And why would they settle for normie joe, when hypergamy gets plain jane a chad thunder cock
If you would rather be abused by your parents than be ugly, then that just shows that you don't understand how horrible abuse really is. Most of the population is not model level attractive and yet they all live life and find partners etc.
Plenty of average looking people date and reproduce
That doesn't mean that they are attracted to each other though. r/deadbedrooms is a thing. Women on r/datingoverthirty said they will not settle for someone who isn't attractive because they made that mistake in the past and it led to unfulfilling relationships.
I'm just not sure how any of that would be enforced? Just seem practical. And how would you get these laws through congress? Or would you want to overthrow the current system first?
I would want a change to the system, a democracy is run by idiots 100% of the time, a republic elects PR I representatives who lack the power to get anything extreme done without too big of reprecussions. and a dictatorship is run by an idiot 99.9% of the time, out of all those only a dictatorship is capable of being lead properly, I wouldn't want to live in a dictatorship because I'd doubt the person running it knew what they are doing.
I think it's fairly obvious that only one has the potential to work and that would be a dictatorshit, look what Hitler did for Germany, he turned a suffering poor country into a global superpower, he just had his goals too extended. I'm not saying he was a good person morally but he made sure to get rid of foreign propaganda, create his own and he was very successful in many ways. Life may have even been horrible for Aryans under his rule but he did a good job at destroying foreign media, his country made quite a few advances under his rule(especially compared to other dictators like Stalin), and he conquered a lot of land in a short time, overall life quality probably would have been improving at a faster rate and they would actually have a culture rather than a fucked up combination of a bunch of cultures.
I'm not saying Hitler is the perfect role mode. I wouldn't want genocide but I'd want very harsh penalties including death for deviating massively from what is acceptable culturally and people who are just a lost cause like drug addicts(I'd just have them sold shit that had things to pacify them and intentionally cause debilitating health issues that would have an additional tax to have treated to insure the people can't get too violent when they run out of money to get their fix), whores and the excessively mentally unwell. I'd want light eugenics in effect via mandatory sterilization(paid by them or their family) to prevent unwanted genes from passing on rather than genocide. I also would be trying to avoid starting a war that couldn't feasibly be won and allow for more financial freedom than Hitler did.
The only reason I'm using him as an example is because is the most recent highly successful dictator and most people know more about him than they would other leaders. For cultures that enforced societal codes by force you can take a look at just about any ancient civilization. I think the amount of shit that people get away with because of "free speech" or whatever is fucking disgusting. For example if a country was run right I wouldn't be able to type this because there wouldn't be internet access or at least if there was it would be limited to the country only and I wouldn't be allowed to say that the government isn't run right.
I'm not a Nazi, I just believe in a more intrusive and authoritarian government to uphold order and culture and thing the country should be protected from outside influence, and have heavy government influence on the culture to make sure discontent doesn't form and to keep people in line. I could have used anyone else as an example but there just really isn't a more well known example, i despise the term "Neo-nazi" as it isn't productive for pushing a political agenda and it makes them sound like a bunch of edgelords who are just supporting it because "lul genocide is edgy". I may technically be a nazi, but I highly doubt it. I don't even know what the Nazi party was in support of to be honest but a lot of what I do know about it I disagree with such as . I'm not some fan of Hitler either, I even hate things about him that most people are indifferent about. I also don't have the anti-Semitic(?) mentality that is associated with Nazis, I don't really have much problem with Jews of either faith or heritage, and have even interacted with one in a friendly manor despite hardly seeing any. I support freedom but only in the approved ways, I support being able to fight back against the government so if it is bad enough people will be willing to sacrifice themselves for their beliefs, but I do not support allowing people to discredit the government.
If you can't see the difference between those two scenarios, then you lack critical thinking skills, and sadly that's not something i can teach you over reddit
doesnt matter if theyre difference or not. Either peoples action on the internet reflect their actions irl, or they dont. You cant cherry pick whatever fits you best xD
Online dating has become extremely popular, with 38% of American adults who are “single or looking” having experimented with it
Main female interest on Tinder is to just check profiles and chat, followed by meeting partner and casual dating, while one nights stands are not being considered as a main interest. For males it’s first of all about casual dating, then, surprisingly, also about meeting partner and looking at profiles, but chatting is less interesting for them than one night stands.
Okay so less than half (38%) of Americans are having experimented with it...experimented could mean anything, it could mean they made an account, looked for 5 min, and then never went back. Do you read much?
"Well it's a shallow hookup site, what do you expect"
Except this shallow hookup site and it's sister sites owned by one evil conglomerate (Match Corp) has a monopoly on how young people date and form relationships in the modern age. More than 30% of relationships are formed through online dating.
Online dating allows for people to be selective and meet others they normally wouldn't. It may seem shallow most of the time but in reality it's just people, people have preferences and specific desires. If you don't fit in to that it's not anyone else's fault.
Yep totally, not like bundy had a lot of women lust over him, despite him murdering and raping them. Wait what? You are telling me their personality-dar didn't work on him? Hmm i wonder why
Dunno dude, some women are good looking but they look like huge bitches, some women are average and look like kind and soft. Maybe it works the other way too?
no shit, thats because all of "personality" is pre-determined based on your perceptions about their looks.
whether someone is "funny/outgoing/stoic/romantic" vs "weird/obnoxious/shy/creepy" is determined entirely by facial traits that signal high genetic fitness.
you're rarely surprised because you're not judging their personality by how they look, you're determining their looks by how they look and then arbitrarily determining their personality after the fact based on your perceptions of their sexual value.
I'm a dude and I'm talking about also judging women.
When I feel someone has a prick face and then they do prick stuff, it's not really me arbitrarily determining their personality. 90% of the time people are what they show you. Like that gross woman at my job I never felt like liking since day 1? No surprise she has a gross personality, big mouthed, talks trash, criticise everyone on lame things, lies in order to work less, demean others to appear better.
I'm not talking about weird stuff, I'm not saying I have an unique talent, we all do that, we just don't all believe it much, my best friend notice these things too but choose to ignore it because it's not right to be judgemental, and then month later he tells me I was right and he should have trusted our intuitions.
i never said the "halo" effect was limited to women appraising men - its human nature. attractive people are determined to have good "personality traits" by mere virtue of being attractive.
im not surprised that you found reasons to validate your initial appraisal of a "gross woman" as gross. -_-
You think I associate gross behaviour to people I find gross, I think I both find gross the people who showed gross behaviour and then associate gross behaviour to people I find gross, it's a mutually balancing concurrent model.
There are lot of attractive people I expect to have gross behaviours. As I said, we probably all agree we frequently see very attractive women we expect to be absolute cunts. You know in a fraction of second when someone is going to be empathetic or not.
You're telling me what you think I do, I've been in my feet for a long time I know how it built up. Claiming I am biased is legitimate, but claiming that you know nothing about me is also legitimate, we're stuck.
I'm aware I do it, but I have lot of instances of it being detached from sexual attractiveness, I can make the difference.
You, on the other side, do exactly this to me, you think I'm dumb and unaware because I don't identify as an incel, despite the fact that my life experience makes me agreeing with most of what incels witnessed. I've been an incel too, but I guess I got out too early for you to accept it as legitimate.
Well 5'3 is a little extreme because it's basically a woman. And I disagree with the sperg part. And both are abusive, well bundy was a literal psychopath, but apparently femoid personality-dar couldn't detect a LITERAL personality disorder. That or they didn't care because face.
Most people on dating sites have better success with photos that show some of their hobbies. That way when you talk to someone they have something to chat about like "oh cool I see from your photos you're into _____". It's way easier to talk to someone when their profile shows how they spend their time than it is when they've just got pictures of their face.
I would just assume he had pictures that showed some cool interests and that's where the personality comment came from
If you can't see the difference between those two scenarios, then you lack critical thinking skills, and sadly that's not something i can teach you over reddit
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1 Matthew15651 2018-03-29
Wink Wink
1 IRideParkCity 2018-03-29
I should add: my profile literally says "ill prolly ruin your life"
Fucking whores.
1 tropical_cockonut 2018-03-29
God, this makes me so fucking angry
1 _LukeGuystalker_ 2018-03-29
How in hell does this make you angry?! She’s showing interest in the guy! Astounding how you guys can twist everything into the worst possible light.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-29
because people think the word "personality" means anything other than looks in terms of dating/tinder
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Key word: TINDER! Of course people are looking at the pictures, it's a freaking hook-up app.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
JFL. how many ugly guys are successful at cold approaching? IT"S ALL LOOKS
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Whatever dude. I know I can't change your mind no matter what I say, it just frustrates me to no end, this insanity.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
It's the truth. I'm chad-lite and i have incel friends. i see this shit ALL THE TIME.
Lets see a pic of you(if you're a girl) with your really ugly boyfriend
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
I don't post pics of myself on Reddit, sorry pal. And my boyfriend isn't ugly, but he's certainly not Chad. Are you really young or something? I feel like oftentimes yeah young girls can be like this (especially if your only source is Tinder. Basically every girl there is looking to have a one-night stand as far as I understand) but many people grow out of that superficial phase. For sure though, you see tons of like 19 year olds wanting to just sleep with super attractive guys, but honestly, why would you be interested in someone like that in the first place? I dunno, this is just kind of stream-of-consciousness and I'm not going to proof read it 'cause I'm going to bed now. So, if you reply, I'll probably reply back in the morning. Goodnight.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
exactly, get an ugly boyfriend. Oh wait, you'd NEVER do that.
i'm not reading your post because i've seen the same shit for years now that i've been part of this community. You hoes are all the same.
go fuck off
1 _LukeGuystalker_ 2018-03-29
Fuck you. A women on here has a different opinion than you so you call her a hoe? No wonder you’re a sexually frustrated individual.
You’re a worthless piece of shit and it gives me joy knowing you’ll never get your grubby hands on a woman. Sorry excuse of a man you are.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
your on the internet white knighting. no wonder you're a virgin
1 _LukeGuystalker_ 2018-03-29
Assume what you want about me. I’m not a member of this subreddit. I just happened to stumble across this gold mine of cringe and ridiculousness while browsing other threads
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
fiance, yea sure
1 _LukeGuystalker_ 2018-03-29
Way I act? Jesus Christ this subreddit is just a cesspool of sex starved and completely oblivious fools.
Oh and tell me how you know how I look! Hahaha Jesus the projection you display is amazing.
Have a good day. Done wasting my time talking to a wall.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
Says the guy who posts on the liberal circlejerk world news, and the hate sub reddit incel tears. Does it make you feel better to make fun of people online since your life sucks?
1 _LukeGuystalker_ 2018-03-29
Liberal circle jerk world news? What are you talking about?
1 hara-kiri-enthusiast 2018-03-29
tips fedora
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Lol, I'm not a hoe, and no I'll never get an ugly boyfriend (unless somehow mine becomes ugly), because me and mine 1. love each other and 2. have a child together, so we intend to stay together. So you fuck off. Just 'cause I'm happy with someone who I don't think is ugly doesn't mean I'm a hoe for not breaking up with him to date someone ugly. That's really stupid.
And not to mention, I've definitely dated guys who fit your stupid criteria for being ugly (and have seen pictures posted by Incels of themselves, who have certainly been more handsome than some of the guys I've dated. I can't remember his username but there was one Incel who was crying because he was Indian and short therefore "no one would ever love him" and I tried to tell him that's simply not true - not to mention he wasn't ugly, which was his main concern - but he was so set in this ridiculous mindset that obviously I was lying for some reason unbeknownst to me). Yes, looks are important on Tinder because people are just there to hook up. Looks are far less important in real life, where people actually, you know, talk to each other and stuff.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
May I ask how old you are?
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Well I didn't necessarily presume anything or bring up anything like that, I just asked your age.
If you don't mind may I ask another question, how long has it been since you've actively dated?
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
What do you mean by actively dated?
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
In the dating scene, looking, single, would be possibly willing to make some kind of online profile etc.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Lol, well, I would never make an online dating profile. Like, never have and certainly never will. And I've never actively gone looking for a relationship, I'm pretty extroverted so I've always just met people either through friends, work, at concerts or otherwise through musical interest, spoken to them, realized we had the same interests (generally music, again - I analyzed this once because an Incel asked me about what I look for in a man, and I found that literally the only common denominator with men I've dated has been that we have the same musical interest), decided to hang out again after the initial meeting/realizing we had these same interests, and dated from there.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Not to be insulting but you're looking too deeply into my questions. I wasn't presuming you did or would make an online profile I was using it as an example to explain what I was talking about hence the "may or may not be in the position to look for it via online." I was mostly looking for say for example how long have you been with your current boyfriend. You said you had a child, so I'm assuming you haven't been single and able to morally date around and hookup (assuming you're not poly) for at least a few years. I'm wondering if perhaps the bigger "online dating scene" and how things are like for single people these days seems at least imo vastly different than how it used to be. I feel this happens with every generation but the reason for the questions is I did not want to presume anything about you.
I'm not an Incel so you don't need go so hard lol I'm just trying to have a discussion with you because I'm only 23, I've been in the dating scene and I've had multiple relationships but I have to find myself agreeing with some of the rhetoric "some" incels have. But it varies, I may occasionally get in on the meme but I don't believe AWALT. I do however think a lot of what you are saying is fairly naive, especially since you're not looking at it through a man's perspective.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
... But the men I've dated have all met me in the same way I met them, ie concerts, through friends, etc. Meaning they didn't go online either to find a girlfriend. I personally think the whole online dating thing is a bad idea, especially for those with low self-esteem, that's why I mentioned that it's not something I'd ever be interested in, even if I ever was single again (hopefully I never will be, though). Honestly though, I'd rather be single than use fucking Tinder. I don't want to hook-up, and I never really have. And I don't think finding a real relationship on there is easy, either. One of my best friends about 7 years ago, maybe before Tinder was the big thing, she used Plenty Of Fish and wanted a real relationship, so guys would talk to her and tell her oh yeah, I'm interested in that too! Then meet her, try to fuck her, and never talk to her again. She was misguided enough by their online niceness to sometimes sleep with them thinking that would help her get a relationship, but of course it never worked. Anyways, sorry to rant about online dating, it's just a big pet peeve of mine. Fucking meet people in real life! (Not you specifically, just in general).
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Hey sorry had to go do some errands and go to work, but yeah so to continue:
How long have you been with your boyfriend? The internet has made dating more online than ever. For people my age majority of the time they meet people online, and for people with anxiety or mental health issues all they can really do is resort to online dating because it's difficult for them to approach or do it face to face. (Yes that's a problem that they should work on but this is a phenomenon affecting both men and women) But yeah, I would agree with you that a lot of people don't meet online lol. Let me ask you this, would it be a fair statement to say that women have the advantage when it comes to dating, especially online? Men are normally the chasers and women are normally the choosers. You may not be that way but would you agree that's normally how things are looked at from a societal point of view?
I agree with you, but for women or attractive men it can be massively ego boosting to be matched with tons of people. It's a validation they receive on a constant basis, and my point is women don't really have to try that hard majority of the time. You say for a lot of your relationships they just kind of happened as you lived your life, now I'm not going to presume anything but how many times would you estimate you initiated first? You showed interest and made the first move?
I agree it's stupid lol I voluntarily choose to refrain from dating entirely, personally. Tinder is a hookup app like you say, and online dating can really only work if you're attractive or a woman.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
To answer your question about if I think women have the advantage in dating, especially online, I would say I don't know personally because I have zero field evidence. I couldn't answer that question any better than you could.
And my boyfriend and I, we've been together for like ~3 years? A bit longer, but I don't have an exact date. So like, Tinder existed and was popular before he and I started dating. I just didn't use it, and never will. I understand what you mean about how people get validation from it, but I suppose that's more of a young person thing. Maybe I just don't care as much anymore about validation, but like, I'd be annoyed if I kept getting messages from guys who just wanted to hook up. A friend of mine who's a single mother made an account on Tinder for curiosity, and just wrote straight honesty like "I'm a single mother of two and I'm a recovering alcoholic, looking for a relationship" with non-dolled-up pictures of her with her kids and stuff. And she got a few messages right away and was excited, like, hey maybe I can date again! But it was just guys saying things like "hey baby can you sit on my face?" (lolol) so she deleted the app. She's going to find a way to meet people in real life since she's not interested in the hook-up culture. So you know what, I guess my story could evidence either point - the men messaged her, so it could be easier for her to hook-up if she wanted, but also, if she agreed, it would be an easy hook-up for the guy. You know what I mean? Could go either way.
So, my last relationship before I got together with my partner now, he and I met through a friend - he was staying on said friend's couch for a few weeks until the friend's roommate moved out and he could move in. I just went over to visit my friend because he lived right across from me, and while I was there I met this guy, who I immediately could tell was a punk, had a mohawk and was probably wearing a band t-shirt, so we immediately got to talking about music, found out we like the same type of music, started hanging out, started going out. I'm sure I initiated that one since I was in my work clothes so he couldn't tell what I was into.
A guy I met at a metal show, he was just walking by and me and my (male) friend were just drinking up on some metal balcony in the alley out back, and we called him over to invite him to have some of our alcohol, and he and I ended up exchanging information and going out.
Anyways, two stories, but I probably have initiated like half of my relationships? I'll think on it. I might not reply right away either, I think me and my baby are gonna go on a walk.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Well as I said, men are the chasers women are the choosers. In a lot of cases women literally just have to exist, so isn't that right there evidence in itself that there's a clear unequal playing field?
Sure but taking it from a man's perspective, especially someone on a sub like this, even just one actual human being matching and talking to them would mean a world of difference. My point is as you said, your friend instantly got matches of men wanting to bang. A man, unless very attractive, wouldn't get any of that, he in many cases would be lucky to get one match that isn't a bot let alone multiple asking to bang.
The unfortunate truth is very few men want to date single mothers. So when you say things like you did earlier like "oh a lot of young entitled girls are like that but they change their mind with age when they eventually understand what they want yadda yadda" for a lot of men they look at it as "the woman reached the age where she isn't nearly as attractive as she once was and that instant/constant validation she once received is ever dwindling. To counter this, she sucks it up and gets with (as the Incels call it) a betabux provider who would consider himself lucky to simply be with someone, rather than no one and they dress it up as 'oh I just realized what I want in life' when in reality they had no choice but to choose the "beta" due to lack of decent options.
As a side note about single mothers, I steer way clear of them for a number of reasons. The most obvious being I don't like children. Can't stand their presence nor can I in good conscience entertain the thought of having any. So why on earth would I want to raise someone else's? Not to mention the loads of baby daddy drama that comes with them.
I'm assuming she didn't agree to bang these guys so quickly because of their personality lol. Twas probably a mixture, but the point is looks are practically everything. If youre a man and you don't look good or have money then the dating world in a lot of ways is a fools errand.
I'm sure that went well and lasted a while lol.
Unless you're an attractive man or posses a vagina, you can't just do that. It's easier for you because you are a woman lol. Practically no one here who is a legitimate "Incel" could ever have that kind of situation go well for them. Think about the guys before, based on your description it's metal dudes. Punk dudes. "Bad boys." Average weight? Average dick length? Average number on the "looks scale?" People who inhabit this sub (and are serious about it which is becoming less and less apparent everyday as new trolls flood the sub constantly) can't fix their problems by simply going to the gym or looking at life with a nicer outlook. It helps, but if your genes are trash no amount of time going to the gym will help with that. It's also a mental block, a lot of these people have been bullied their entire lives. Treated like shit by "regular" people and when they complain their concerns are written off as unimportant or the whining of a virgin.
You're not obligated to reply to me so either way it was good talking to you lol.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Okay, so we'll start with your critique of my two dating stories where I initiated things.
(We'll start with saying that I'm not into guys who are like bodybuilders, lol. That's always what I think of when people talk about guys going to the gym, I just picture really buff guys. I'm not into that.)
But anyways, so the guy I met at the metal show, are you critiquing because I went to him? You're saying a guy could never just approach a girl and invite her to have a sip from his bottle before a show? I don't think that's true. I've always accepted and been happy to chat if someone else is going to the concert and is also pre-drinking. Fuck yeah, let's be friends, lol.
And the guy I met through a friend with the mohawk and band-shirt, he and I "went out" for about a year. I put "went out" in quotes because we were never officially boyfriend and girlfriend, but apart from title we were. We had a lot of fun together, actually. More of a drinking and partying buddy most of the time, but we enjoyed it. In retrospect we were probably just enablers for each other, but we did have fun while it lasted.
Penis size, average height/weight lol. The metal show guy had a smallish penis, and was only about my height. We liked each other though and enjoyed each other's company. He even met my family. No hard feelings there, and it was him who broke up with me because I was too young (he was 3 and half years older than me, but I was only 19, so it makes sense). Mohawk guy had a big penis, which absolutely did not play a part in me staying with him :/ - it was very uncomfortable to have sex.
Like I said, regardless of going to the gym or whatever, I really don't think that has anything to do with my experience with punk/metal/whatever. You're ugly? Enjoy the music, mosh, if you're enough fun at a show how could you even manage to not talk to anyone? I guess unless you're an extreme introvert, in which case, you should probably work on trying to come out of your shell so you can interact with other humans. I know that's easy to say as an extrovert, but I love to talk to other people whenever I have the chance, basically. I met a nice 60 year old man on my walk today and we chatted about his hair, lol.
And I understand why you'd steer clear of single mothers. It makes sense. It's much harder for them to date, as per my friend's example. People are down to fuck, but that's it, and it's going to be harder for her to find a partner especially since she can't meet them anywhere around alcohol, ie bar, concert, whatever, so she's wondering what other places she could meet someone.
I dunno man, tell me what else you'd like me to reply to, but your comment is so long I don't want to read through it again, I'm sorry.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Doesn't even have to be really buff, just not overweight/weak.
I'm saying most guys will not have well received reactions to that invitation, whereas there's a VERY huge chance that a woman will just based on you being a woman. It's also one thing to invite people to drink your liquor for you and call them "friends" and it's another to take one of the girls you met home with you.
What do you consider "average?"
You're making it sound like him being average in every way (which I don't believe he was based on your description) is a deal breaker. "Yeah he was average in every way but we liked each other, I even let him meet my family so ya know sometimes I'll slum it with an average guy once in a while." (Not necessarily saying that's what you said, but that's what it sounds like based on your statement)
I hear women claim that on a constant basis, yet I would be willing to bet they'd opt for the larger every time.
It is very easy for you to say as an extrovert. Men are raised differently than women. I was told when I was a kid to suck up my problems, to live with what I got and fuck everyone else because they won't help you in life. Only person who can help you is you. Because of this I became distrustful of other people, it's a chore for me to make friends, even though I feel as if I'm a decent conversation and a decent person. But of course that's not for me to judge as I can't look at myself from an objective point of view.
When I was in high school I'd see the nicest most "popular" girls befriend dudes who were absolute scumbags to me and my friends. If you weren't apart of that clique you were ostracised and treated like shit. But the women never noticed this or didn't care, they saw the decent looking dude being nice to them and ignored what they were like towards other people. While this is a personal phenomenon I've noticed, I can't help but still notice it even in my mid 20s. A lot of dudes have been treated like such shit in the past that it seems to them arrogant on behalf of the other person to suggest they "just get out of their shell" when every attempt in the past to do that very suggestion is met with shutdowns, bullying, ghosting, or complete embarrassing failure.
While I realize if you want to be happy one must get over these hurtles, but judging from our discussion here I feel it's safe to say you have never felt the crushing loneliness a lot of men nowadays feel. The cliches you can offer are pretty much white noise to a lot of the types of people I'm talking about. And to also hear you so callously talk about your sex life as if it was just a normal part of everyday life would be what incels call "suicide fuel" because a very large portion of men won't ever experience half of what you did. Imagine never having your first kiss. Imagine never feeling close or hugging someone before. Imagine every attempt at obtaining that has been met with abysmal failure, that's how a lot of the men here (who are serious) feel and it's not something that can be solved by a random anon on the internet ya know?
Again you're not obligated to read or reply to me. It's all good lol I won't be heartbroken I'm just a security guard with a lot of time on his hands.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Alright another long comment, I'll do my best. First off, I'm a bit annoyed by what you got out of the descriptions of those guys I dated. The guy from the metal show, who you keep saying that I just "slummed around with 'cause he was average", that is just not true. He was my first boyfriend out of a long high-school relationship, and I was super happy about him. I introduced him to all my friends 'cause he was fucking cool. My friends are mostly metalheads and punks too, so we all got along very well, and they all thought he was super cool too. They're all still friends with him on Facebook, as am I. I would not use average to describe him, if I had to choose a word lol. I'd probably choose "cool" because he was quite a metalhead and I loved going out with him. He met my family because I was going out with him on my birthday when I turned 19, so he came out for lunch with us and my mom drove him home 2 towns over. I'm confused by what you want out of this.
What I was saying about the gym, and how buff guys disturb me, is that I've always been okay with a pretty skinny guy. He doesn't have to be strong or like lift me up or anything, lol. I've dated very thin guys that I was bigger than (and I'm a pretty small person usually - bigger than normal right now due to having baby, but losing the weight), as well as overweight guys. Actually my first love was an overweight guy.
Oh and about offering alcohol/calling them friends, that happens basically every time I drink in public, if I see someone else (male or female, doesn't matter) drinking. I always want to share, lol. I would imagine it would be a bad idea taking someone home after sharing a street-drink/alley-drink with them though. That sounds kind of like rape. I just said that metal guy and I exchanged numbers and stuff, and got together again another time, not that I literally went home from the show with him. That would be a bit much, don't you think?
As for "average" for penis size, I'm a little angry that you assume most women would choose a larger one every time :/. I've had two guys with large penises, and basically it was uncomfortable the whole time whenever I had sex with either of them. I never came, once, the whole time I was with either of them. But I've been with two guys with pretty small penises, and I had much better sex with both of them, hands down. I don't know what average is, since I obviously never took out a ruler while we were having sex, lol, but based on my own field research I'm going with what I feel is average, and I'm sure I'm right.
Let's talk about your idea of "a very large portion of men won't ever experience half of what you did". What do you consider a very large portion of men? I'm going to go ahead and say that many Incels are young, and they're depressed, so they're buying into this mindset that women are evil and have these crazy motives and only date "Chads" blah blah blah. It's ridiculous. Many men don't get their first girlfriend until they're in their 20's. Short men who claim "it's over" because they're short? The only reason "it's over" is because of their fucking attitude, 100%. I know short men with fucking families. Not all women are like that. Sorry for ranting a bit at you, but it really enrages me.
And yes, I've felt crushing loneliness. I was a depressed emo teenager too, and you wouldn't believe the things that I said and wrote. It's a good thing Reddit or Facebook didn't exist then, because I probably would've had to get new accounts due to embarrassment. And like, I don't even get embarrassed anymore because logically I've realized there's no point, but despite that I'd still feel embarrassed reading through my old LiveJournal or Blurty. So fuck off (in the kindest way possible) saying I've never experienced loneliness or like true sadness.
I don't think that most Incels here have tried "every attempt at obtaining that has been met with abysmal failure". I think a lot of the Incels here are young and have not truly tried to date, except for perhaps making a Tinder profile, and you know how I feel about that.
And I know it was rude of me about "getting out of your shell" but man, it worked for me. Fucking take drama classes if you're still in high school (again, not you, but any Incel reading this who's still in high school). Seriously helps you open up, man.
I think I got everything.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
I didn't say that's what you said, I'm saying that's what it sounded like you said.
This is exactly my flippin point lmao
They're all still friends with him on Facebook, as am I. I would not use average to describe him, if I had to choose a word lol.
Again, exactly my point. He was "better" than average even though you described him as average in the beginning. The people I'm talking about would be considered far below average.
I know guys who have never even hugged another human being at 19.
You completely missed my point lol. It's easy to find someone to drink with you, but I'm talking about dating and how it's nearly impossible for a man to do what you did unless he was objectively considered "cool" or attractive.
From my experience, it is definitely the norm.
If you don't know what average is how can you accurately answer my question? Your idea of big and my idea of big are clearly two different things.
Bottom tier, unattractive men. The standards women set nowadays are ridiculous, 5'9" is considered short.
I agree stating that "all" women are evil and only date Chad's is a stupid statement to make, but generally speaking, most women date far above their own rating. There are also plenty of men who aren't teenagers going through what I'm talking about.
Don't you think there's a reason for that? It's because women opt to go after the far more attractive dudes only taking a step back and dating someone a bit more average when they either get burned by their former boyfriends or end up a single mother.
I agree, but they are most definitely disadvantaged. Ya know I don't see any feminists for instance pushing male body acceptance. No penis size acceptance, no "healthy at any height." Yet I see them coddling women, telling them they deserve only the best even if they're morbidly obese.
I know a short guy whose actually a few months older than me. He's been cheated on in nearly every relationship he's been in, his most recent one he won't let go of despite her cheating multiple times. Sure, that's just one example, but so is your examples of men with families. I'm not saying its entirely over for short men or unattractive men or men with small Dicks, but it's most definitely difficult for them. Far more difficult in my opinion than it would be if they had a vagina.
The people I'm talking about have been like this their entire lives. Not just during an emo teenager phase, and they didn't end up dating someone after high school. The people I'm talking about haven't had so much as their first kiss, there's one dude I know in particular whose 26 and has still never had a girlfriend. Not to diminish your feelings because we've all felt loneliness, but not that kind of loneliness. That is reserved for a select few, majority of them being men. Go on r/foreveralonedating, nearly all of the posts are men. The ones that are women are normally highly upvoted by comparison.
It's a good thing Reddit or Facebook didn't exist then, because I probably would've had to get new accounts due to embarrassment. And like, I don't even get embarrassed anymore because logically I've realized there's no point, but despite that I'd still feel embarrassed reading through my old LiveJournal or Blurty.
We all have done cringey shit in the past. lol.
Again, you haven't experienced the level of loneliness I'm speaking about.
I agree with you.
It worked for you because you are a woman.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
I'm annoyed that basically everything I'm saying is being downplayed because I'm a woman. Loneliness not the same, getting out of my shell not the same, whatever. It's kind of rude, but I don't know what else I'd expect on this sub, lol.
I was only saying that I was enamoured by the metal head guy because he was older than me and had piercings and tattoos therefore I thought he was super cool. It doesn't mean he was like the most attractive guy or anything. Cool is different than attractive.
And I looked up average penis length for you, and I knew I was right. Average is 5 inches erect, so the large penises I'm talking about were like 9 inches, and I would never ever choose a penis like that again. I'm surprised by your research saying that women would always pick the bigger one. My friends who I've spoken to about this agree with me - the bigger is not the better. So whatever, I guess you know more official women than me if your evidence is more true than mine.
I don't feel like responding to the rest, I'm kind mad lol.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Explain to me how the two are possibly compatible. You being a sad emo for a few years in highschool compared to a heavily depressed adult whom still after highschool can't get a date. If we were having a "loneliness dick measuring contest" you would lose.
I agree with you, but the people I'm talking about are neither considered cool nor attractive mostly based on their looks.
I didn't do "research" to come to that conclusion unless you consider my personal experience to be research. Also we tend to pick friends that are like us, so it's not surprising you're hanging around with people that may claim they don't care. Also, my ex claimed she didn't care then blasted my ass when we broke up. How can I possibly believe anyone when they say something like that?
I'm sorry I upset you lol.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
That's alright, I only come to this sub to get angry anyways. I don't know why I do it to myself, lol, but realistically it is my own fault.
Yeah, your ex was a bitch for saying that. Well, for pretending that penis size wasn't an issue for her, then actually saying it was. That's like, super bitch, no offense since you dated her or anything. I guess I just associate and surround myself with nice people. Anyone who's horrible, I don't bother with. Again, that's high school shit, putting up with people you don't need to put up with.
Maybe my level of caring about things has just hit an all-time low (it may have), but like, I guess I have a hard time empathizing because I've come to the realization that none of that shit matters. Girlfriend or not, life fucking goes on. Life fucking goes on no matter what unless you decide it's so bad that you kill yourself. But even then, that's a shitty thing to do and even though you pretend nobody cares about you, people do. You'll hurt someone if you do that, you know? (Not you, I'm just ranting).
I'm half drunk now so I'm not that focused on my replies anymore, lol. I might not reply again tonight because I'm gonna go to bed soon, but presumably I'll be cooled down by morning and be able to respond again with a level head.
1 DrillWormBazookaMan 2018-03-29
Is it only high school shit though? My ex was 10 years older than me. And no it's fine I don't take offense, she is a major bitch.
I agree with you but as I mentioned earlier, so many people haven't experienced a tiny millisecond of the experiences you have and most of these people happen to be men. That's really what I'm trying to hammer home, men are disadvantaged when it comes to dating. I'd also boldly claim that arguably men have less rights than women, but that's a different topic lol.
Again no pressure to respond at all. As I said it was a decent discussion regardless and I appreciate you entertaining my "devils advocate" like argument. Enjoy the rest of your night!
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-29
And it's what 90% of normap people in my generation use to find partners, so go figure.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
So since so many people use it, it means no one interacts in real life? It shouldn't stop you from meeting people in real life, even if lots of people use Tinder.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-29
I saw elsewhere in your thread that you're 27. You were just late to Tinder and related apps not only being mainstream but essential for "normal" adolescents.
I don't really expect you to understand the realities of 21 year olds that have had to deal with a Tinder based dating scene since 16.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
I have friends who online dated (POF) and had shit luck with it because it was a hook-up app (er, maybe it was a computer thing at that point. I dunno if smart phones existed yet). I don't see why you HAVE to use Tinder. Would you mind explaining why you can't meet girls in real life? Like, do you not go out and interact with people on a regular basis? It would only make sense to speak to women.
1 Theblackpillgospel 2018-03-29
Women don't want to be approached in real life, not unless you're really attractive. Most young women use tinder to date and hook up now, so that's where you have to be if you're a young male.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Stop telling me what women do or don't like, lol. I'm a woman, so I think I have more knowledge on the subject than you do. God, it is so frustrating trying to drill facts into your heads. You don't have to be super attractive to talk to a woman in real life - that is ridiculous.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-29
I'm pretty sure unwanted sexual advances are sexual harassment? Google "street harassment".
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Lol, well don't approach them and try to kiss them or anything. Yes, that would be sexual harassment. But talking to someone? That isn't street harassment. Not to mention, what, you'll just go and try to hit on women on the street?? That is not what I mean, obviously. Go somewhere that interests you where people there will have the same interest. Start by talking about that. You know, conversation.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-29
This actually isn't really a thing anymore? That's why so many people use Tinder lol.
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
Uhh... what do you even mean "this isn't really a thing anymore"? People don't go out of their houses? People aren't part of teams or groups of any kind? People don't go to freaking concerts? What am I, a dinosaur? ... So, what do you DO?
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-29
What sort of groups/teams do normal adults join?
1 catherUne 2018-03-29
If you're a nerd you join groups like to play DND or Magic (my best friend and her boyfriend do that). I joined a mom and baby group recently. I've been invited to join a cooking club. My boyfriend used to meet a group of other Hispanic men who played soccer together. Do you want some more examples?
1 Theblackpillgospel 2018-03-29
Plentyoffish and OkCupid are also changing their websites to function more like tinder. It's so over.
1 IRideParkCity 2018-03-29
I should add: my profile literally says "ill prolly ruin your life"
Fucking whores.
1 Suncheets 2018-03-29
You're getting pissed at a girl for expressing interest in you. May as well shoot yourself in the foot before the race even starts.
1 IRideParkCity 2018-03-29
Pissed at her for showing interest? Are you new here?
I'm Chad. But I have serious disdain for basically all females because they tell men that they want nice guys for their personality and that they don't care about looks. They treat incels like shit because they aren't attractive. They let me talk shit and say whatever I want but if an incel were to say the same shit they would be called creeps.
They are all whores who just want to be choke fucked by Chad. Gtfo here you clueless pussy.
1 Suncheets 2018-03-29
Lmao seeing as how fragile and sensitive you are, I really don't buy that!
1 IRideParkCity 2018-03-29
Found the IT subscriber
1 Suncheets 2018-03-29
Undeniable proof right there! Better delete your reply in a few mins to post a better one just like you did with the last one 😂
1 TheEndIsComing29 2018-03-29
You're a true alpha for not responding to her one word replies and making her put in effort. 👍
1 still_a_prodigy 2018-03-29
you're doing god's work. i'm just a normie black knight. would do the same if i could.
1 A_Sarah_Has_No_Name 2018-03-29
If you are fairly attractive then yeah, you'll get a few girls like that who will contact you and keep interest in you irregardless if your personality. It's called being shallow. I actually am a woman who dates women exclusively and I'm fairly attractive too. I get these type of women who message me and I just choose to ignore it. Men are the same way though. I have had many men message me irregardless of the fact that I have put in my profile that I'm not interested. Men will also allow women to treat them like shit if they are really attractive too. I'm not seeing why you hate all women or have this view of them because you have had messages from shallow women.
1 xVegito 2018-03-29
I would suck your dick, thanks for sticking up for incels Chad
1 fatchancebud 2018-03-29
any girl that expresses interest in guys who will "ruin their life" might actually be the ones shooting themselves in the foot before their life starts
1 SerialEL 2018-03-29
conveniently she mentioned personality...hm....
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-29
I hate bitches, gawd.
1 ANNarchy711 2018-03-29
This is probably a bot anyway, man. Calm down
1 IRideParkCity 2018-03-29
Lol nope
1 superman1145 2018-03-29
Very handsome personality
1 micahg7 2018-03-29
Tinder is all looks, no personality
1 Hopecel 2018-03-29
There isn’t a difference between Tinder and real life. Tinder just exposes the nature of femoids because they are relatively anonymous and don’t fear social repercussions.
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-29
FACT, online dating being different than IRL dating could very well be the biggest cope of all time lol.
1 itsbeenover 2018-03-29
those same women who don't give a fuck about personality on tinder are the same women you're SUPPOSED to have a good personality for if you even want a chance at beta buxxing them
1 Uglytrash4322 2018-03-29
i dunno wat this feels leik😞
1 Toolman890 2018-03-29
lmao
1 DankIncel 2018-03-29
"personality" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
1 PerfectNemesis 2018-03-29
She can sense his amazing personality.
1 alec7491 2018-03-29
Can fully deduce ones personality from just photos? LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING
1 dontcomplain1 2018-03-29
Just improve your personality bro
1 Mest666 2018-03-29
ask her about personal record in deepthroat, then say "I expected better, bye"
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Wow who would have guessed that people on tinder are shallow and just looking for a quick fuck?!?!?
1 Rolando_Mierka 2018-03-29
Tinder is not composed of a tiny minority. With the amount of people on it, it's fair to make some conclusions about people in general.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
People using tinder are actively just looking for a hot person to fuck. Not everyone on tinder is actively using it. Someone can have a tinder account and only use it on occasion.
When it comes to people looking for a relationship and not just a random fuck, then that is when personality matters.
But for hookups? Yeah, pretty much just looks for both parties. Male and female.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
No. Looks are a prerequisite to all intimate relations. (Sometimes even friendships).
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I mean, you have to be physically attracted to someone, yes, but everyone has different features they are attracted to. And people can become physically attracted to someone after knowing their personality.
Plenty of average looking people date and reproduce, so clearly people are finding these average people attractive.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
No, thats BB/AF. And they use normie joe to pop out a kid if they want one. No one gets them off like chad. These days average is ugly, average is a settle. And why would they settle for normie joe, when hypergamy gets plain jane a chad thunder cock
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I'm not sure you live in the same reality as the rest of the world...
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Very true. We are the truth, you guys just sit in comfortable lies and copes.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I'm pretty happy with my life, to be honest, and Incels are self-professedly miserable so....maybe were not the ones with the warped thinking....
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Well its easy for you( assuming you are female from your username)
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I'm a survivor of child abuse, so no, life isn't easy for me. Women have real trauma too (I know so surprising)
But I found a way to be happy. You can too.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Mhm sure. And no, femoids want all sub 8 men eradicated from existence.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I can't tell if you're actually this delusional or just bored and trolling
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
They do, including the NAWALT's subconsciously wish death upon sub 8 males.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Are you a mind reader?
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Yes, gotta have something to compensate for my ugly face right?
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Cool man, if only your ability was more accurate though :(
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Shut the fuck up cunt.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
You're so nice. How are you single?
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
L U L S A R C A S M. L U L. I T. H U M O R am I rite guyz?
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I am pretty funny
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Haha LOLZ F E M A L E H U M O R
1 lambcel 2018-03-29
Ahahahaha
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Let me guess, you think parents don't abuse female children?
1 Lolidom 2018-03-29
Still easier than an ugly man's
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
If you would rather be abused by your parents than be ugly, then that just shows that you don't understand how horrible abuse really is. Most of the population is not model level attractive and yet they all live life and find partners etc.
1 Dellarie 2018-03-29
Trauma of being rejected by Chad? Oh poor thing, how did you ever survive this?
1 Dellarie 2018-03-29
Trauma of being rejected by Chad? Oh poor thing, how did you ever survive this?
1 Dellarie 2018-03-29
Trauma of being rejected by Chad? Oh poor thing, how did you ever survive this?
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
How did you pass elementary school with that poor of reading comprehension skills?
1 Hopecel 2018-03-29
That doesn't mean that they are attracted to each other though. r/deadbedrooms is a thing. Women on r/datingoverthirty said they will not settle for someone who isn't attractive because they made that mistake in the past and it led to unfulfilling relationships.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
That's just part of the population though.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
The people looking for hookups are fucked up and should be heavily fined and thrown in prison.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
That Sounds like the plot of a dystopian novel
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
Well my ideal society would be considered dystopian by many, but it would be the proper way to run things.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I'm just not sure how any of that would be enforced? Just seem practical. And how would you get these laws through congress? Or would you want to overthrow the current system first?
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
I would want a change to the system, a democracy is run by idiots 100% of the time, a republic elects PR I representatives who lack the power to get anything extreme done without too big of reprecussions. and a dictatorship is run by an idiot 99.9% of the time, out of all those only a dictatorship is capable of being lead properly, I wouldn't want to live in a dictatorship because I'd doubt the person running it knew what they are doing.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
So what type of government do you propose then?
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
I think it's fairly obvious that only one has the potential to work and that would be a dictatorshit, look what Hitler did for Germany, he turned a suffering poor country into a global superpower, he just had his goals too extended. I'm not saying he was a good person morally but he made sure to get rid of foreign propaganda, create his own and he was very successful in many ways. Life may have even been horrible for Aryans under his rule but he did a good job at destroying foreign media, his country made quite a few advances under his rule(especially compared to other dictators like Stalin), and he conquered a lot of land in a short time, overall life quality probably would have been improving at a faster rate and they would actually have a culture rather than a fucked up combination of a bunch of cultures.
I'm not saying Hitler is the perfect role mode. I wouldn't want genocide but I'd want very harsh penalties including death for deviating massively from what is acceptable culturally and people who are just a lost cause like drug addicts(I'd just have them sold shit that had things to pacify them and intentionally cause debilitating health issues that would have an additional tax to have treated to insure the people can't get too violent when they run out of money to get their fix), whores and the excessively mentally unwell. I'd want light eugenics in effect via mandatory sterilization(paid by them or their family) to prevent unwanted genes from passing on rather than genocide. I also would be trying to avoid starting a war that couldn't feasibly be won and allow for more financial freedom than Hitler did.
The only reason I'm using him as an example is because is the most recent highly successful dictator and most people know more about him than they would other leaders. For cultures that enforced societal codes by force you can take a look at just about any ancient civilization. I think the amount of shit that people get away with because of "free speech" or whatever is fucking disgusting. For example if a country was run right I wouldn't be able to type this because there wouldn't be internet access or at least if there was it would be limited to the country only and I wouldn't be allowed to say that the government isn't run right.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Oh, lovely, you're a Nazi too
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
I'm not a Nazi, I just believe in a more intrusive and authoritarian government to uphold order and culture and thing the country should be protected from outside influence, and have heavy government influence on the culture to make sure discontent doesn't form and to keep people in line. I could have used anyone else as an example but there just really isn't a more well known example, i despise the term "Neo-nazi" as it isn't productive for pushing a political agenda and it makes them sound like a bunch of edgelords who are just supporting it because "lul genocide is edgy". I may technically be a nazi, but I highly doubt it. I don't even know what the Nazi party was in support of to be honest but a lot of what I do know about it I disagree with such as . I'm not some fan of Hitler either, I even hate things about him that most people are indifferent about. I also don't have the anti-Semitic(?) mentality that is associated with Nazis, I don't really have much problem with Jews of either faith or heritage, and have even interacted with one in a friendly manor despite hardly seeing any. I support freedom but only in the approved ways, I support being able to fight back against the government so if it is bad enough people will be willing to sacrifice themselves for their beliefs, but I do not support allowing people to discredit the government.
1 Dingus_Incel 2018-03-29
Tinder allows people reveal who they truly are.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
People are different online than in real life.
1 PM_ME_TENDIE_STORIES 2018-03-29
Tell that to r/inceltears
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Being shallow on a dating site is different than spurting out hateful dribble advocating gender based violence online.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
Yeah, because being shallow on a dating site makes you a fucking cunt, we just need to vent and show how fucked men have it in the world.
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-03-29
choose one bro, not two
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
If you can't see the difference between those two scenarios, then you lack critical thinking skills, and sadly that's not something i can teach you over reddit
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-03-29
doesnt matter if theyre difference or not. Either peoples action on the internet reflect their actions irl, or they dont. You cant cherry pick whatever fits you best xD
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Again, take a critical thinking class.
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-03-29
this is not an argument
1 gstvtrp 2018-03-29
Not the people who recommend it to us as a means of meeting women.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Yeah tinder probably isn't the best way to go if you're looking for a relationship
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-29
Goddamn, you are such a stupid, arrogant cunt.
Statistical data based on the research of approximately 500,000 Tinder profiles:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.01952
Online dating has become extremely popular, with 38% of American adults who are “single or looking” having experimented with it
Main female interest on Tinder is to just check profiles and chat, followed by meeting partner and casual dating, while one nights stands are not being considered as a main interest. For males it’s first of all about casual dating, then, surprisingly, also about meeting partner and looking at profiles, but chatting is less interesting for them than one night stands.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
Okay so less than half (38%) of Americans are having experimented with it...experimented could mean anything, it could mean they made an account, looked for 5 min, and then never went back. Do you read much?
None of this contradicts my point.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
What's your point? Are you trying to argue that tinder is not promarily for hookups?
And the insults are getting really old. All they do is make it you look bad, not me.
1 incelrageboner 2018-03-29
It's a hook up site... If you're offended by people on there you should probably just stay in mom's basement.
1 fatchancebud 2018-03-29
if you don't understand this post you should probably continue wasting money on your own place
1 gstvtrp 2018-03-29
"You want a girlfriend, just try Tinder!"
"Well it's a shallow hookup site, what do you expect"
Except this shallow hookup site and it's sister sites owned by one evil conglomerate (Match Corp) has a monopoly on how young people date and form relationships in the modern age. More than 30% of relationships are formed through online dating.
1 incelrageboner 2018-03-29
And?
Online dating allows for people to be selective and meet others they normally wouldn't. It may seem shallow most of the time but in reality it's just people, people have preferences and specific desires. If you don't fit in to that it's not anyone else's fault.
1 gstvtrp 2018-03-29
Yeah let's just ignore all the social ills it causes.
1 incelrageboner 2018-03-29
Are these social ills adversely affecting the incel population?
1 INCELMAN2000 2018-03-29
Yeah.
1 WalkinWaski 2018-03-29
Not offended, but this is what normans usually tell me when I leave the basement. The true fate of LDAR.
1 xxxrivenmainxxx 2018-03-29
so just ldar then? cool to see that you u/incelrageborner finnaly took the blackpill too! xD
1 LORD-THUNDERCUNT 2018-03-29
Hook up site? Ohhh, so that’s why 99% of profiles say “no hookups”. Lol, keep coping faggot
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
This is why 'just personality bro' is horse shit. This guy could be a psychopath for all she knows.
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
I mean that's a turn of from women there.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Yep totally, not like bundy had a lot of women lust over him, despite him murdering and raping them. Wait what? You are telling me their personality-dar didn't work on him? Hmm i wonder why
1 ceDrowRanger 2018-03-29
That was a typo, I meant to type "turn on", but some how hit N instead of F.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Ah
1 Eastuss 2018-03-29
Dunno dude, some women are good looking but they look like huge bitches, some women are average and look like kind and soft. Maybe it works the other way too?
1 deadmedium 2018-03-29
exactly, they "look". :2
1 Eastuss 2018-03-29
I've been rarely surprised by someone's personality by what they look. :/
1 deadmedium 2018-03-29
no shit, thats because all of "personality" is pre-determined based on your perceptions about their looks.
whether someone is "funny/outgoing/stoic/romantic" vs "weird/obnoxious/shy/creepy" is determined entirely by facial traits that signal high genetic fitness.
you're rarely surprised because you're not judging their personality by how they look, you're determining their looks by how they look and then arbitrarily determining their personality after the fact based on your perceptions of their sexual value.
1 derivur 2018-03-29
2 different looking guys saying the exact same words in the same voice.
1 Eastuss 2018-03-29
I'm a dude and I'm talking about also judging women.
When I feel someone has a prick face and then they do prick stuff, it's not really me arbitrarily determining their personality. 90% of the time people are what they show you. Like that gross woman at my job I never felt like liking since day 1? No surprise she has a gross personality, big mouthed, talks trash, criticise everyone on lame things, lies in order to work less, demean others to appear better.
I'm not talking about weird stuff, I'm not saying I have an unique talent, we all do that, we just don't all believe it much, my best friend notice these things too but choose to ignore it because it's not right to be judgemental, and then month later he tells me I was right and he should have trusted our intuitions.
1 deadmedium 2018-03-29
i never said the "halo" effect was limited to women appraising men - its human nature. attractive people are determined to have good "personality traits" by mere virtue of being attractive.
im not surprised that you found reasons to validate your initial appraisal of a "gross woman" as gross. -_-
1 Eastuss 2018-03-29
You think I associate gross behaviour to people I find gross, I think I both find gross the people who showed gross behaviour and then associate gross behaviour to people I find gross, it's a mutually balancing concurrent model.
There are lot of attractive people I expect to have gross behaviours. As I said, we probably all agree we frequently see very attractive women we expect to be absolute cunts. You know in a fraction of second when someone is going to be empathetic or not.
1 deadmedium 2018-03-29
i could care less what you believe normie - im telling you what you DO :2
1 Eastuss 2018-03-29
You're telling me what you think I do, I've been in my feet for a long time I know how it built up. Claiming I am biased is legitimate, but claiming that you know nothing about me is also legitimate, we're stuck.
1 deadmedium 2018-03-29
if normies were as aware as they "think" they are, psychological concepts like the "halo effect" wouldnt exist. -_-
the reason it works is because you arent aware that you're mentally compartmentalizing people based on sexual attractiveness -_-
1 Eastuss 2018-03-29
I'm aware I do it, but I have lot of instances of it being detached from sexual attractiveness, I can make the difference.
You, on the other side, do exactly this to me, you think I'm dumb and unaware because I don't identify as an incel, despite the fact that my life experience makes me agreeing with most of what incels witnessed. I've been an incel too, but I guess I got out too early for you to accept it as legitimate.
1 KV-n 2018-03-29
Funny and cool psychopath >>> nice but boring loser incel.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
FACE > any other bullshit attribute
1 KV-n 2018-03-29
nope. Any good attribute can be negated if the other attributes are sufficiently bad. Including face.
Thats why any "just be x theory" is bs.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Yea ok. Thats why meeks and bundy were so successful with women right? Fuck out of here.
1 KV-n 2018-03-29
meeks and bundy have/had very attractive personality. Cant get more attractive than reckless bad boy psycho alpha criminal thug.
If they were massive spergs or were 5'3" they wouldnt be attractive no matter their face
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Well 5'3 is a little extreme because it's basically a woman. And I disagree with the sperg part. And both are abusive, well bundy was a literal psychopath, but apparently femoid personality-dar couldn't detect a LITERAL personality disorder. That or they didn't care because face.
1 KV-n 2018-03-29
or they did detect the disorder but it only made the man even more attractive. thats what im talking about.
1 KV-n 2018-03-29
or they did detect the disorder but it only made the man even more attractive. thats what im talking about.
1 kysacademy 2018-03-29
Face already settled it. If I was a psycho, my ugliness would only stray them further AWAY from me.
1 PassionateSizzle 2018-03-29
Thank God lmfao
1 boredyeah 2018-03-29
incel theory smack bang on the money once again. let that truth seep into and compromise your brain
1 Gtj_2036 2018-03-29
"You seem to have a cool personality from your photos"
That's it right there. The personality stuff is bullshit. It all comes back to looks
1 frameworkautoco 2018-03-29
Most people on dating sites have better success with photos that show some of their hobbies. That way when you talk to someone they have something to chat about like "oh cool I see from your photos you're into _____". It's way easier to talk to someone when their profile shows how they spend their time than it is when they've just got pictures of their face.
I would just assume he had pictures that showed some cool interests and that's where the personality comment came from
1 Mr_StealYoGirl69 2018-03-29
you're so stupid.
1 UnbreakableiPhone7 2018-03-29
Halo Effect at it's best
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-29
FACT, online dating being different than IRL dating could very well be the biggest cope of all time lol.
1 KufoIV 2018-03-29
It's the truth. I'm chad-lite and i have incel friends. i see this shit ALL THE TIME.
Lets see a pic of you(if you're a girl) with your really ugly boyfriend
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
People are different online than in real life.
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
I can't tell if you're actually this delusional or just bored and trolling
1 glassangelrose 2018-03-29
If you can't see the difference between those two scenarios, then you lack critical thinking skills, and sadly that's not something i can teach you over reddit