How cringy to put her on the spot with a lame ass gift basket and a giant plush bunny... If he would have approached her in a private and intimate way he might have succeeded.
Saying ok, and walking away without making a scene isn't showing "class and respect?" You're also saying that she wouldn't have laughed if he did it without the gifts? What world do you live in lmao?
Maybe he shouldn't have put her on the spot in front of a whole bunch of people. This was bad planning and cringy as fuck. He might have succeeded if he had been more tactful. Also giant stuffed bunny and gift basket while asking for a FIRST DATE screams desperation and already guarantees failure.
Well no shit my view would be different if the outcome was different. Fucking genius over here... I'm reacting to the outcome that happened not some hypothetical. We don't know this guys history with this girl. We have no context except he seems to be asking her out with the type of gifts you give a gf of 3 years on a first attempt to get a date.
Putting a girl On the spot with a giant gift asking for a FIRST date in front of everyone when you aren't even sure if she likes you is a TRUE sign of an AUTISMCEL
You can see that this approach didn't work. Normies in the thread are telling you that this was a bad approach. YOU are the one coping at this point, in your insistence that the guy did the right thing by asking her out in this big ridiculous gesture, and that she is the bad guy for not appreciating the gesture. (Don't get me wrong, she is a bitch for laughing at him and putting this video on social media, but it was pretty foolish of him to pull this big romantic gesture on a girl he's not 1. already dating or 2. knows is interested in him. A big public show like this is never a good move).
Let me get my guidebook that tells me how one is SUPPOSED to ask a girl out. Oh that's right there is none. He thought what he was doing would work because he probably doesn't know any better and because no one actually teaches you how to do that in any point of your life.
there isn't a guidebook because there doesn't need to be one. you literally just ask them to hang out and go from there, not show up with a bunch of gifts and ask them in public.
its the same thing as guys who propose marriage to their girlfriends at concerts on stage or whatever. its cringey even if the girl says yes, its just a bad, risky idea.
I don't think he's incel I'm sure if she don't like him one of them other thoties will later. When he grows up some more he will probably have a hot gf like aj McCarron has or something. As for her she looks childish and showing off. Not that I'm defending women just using some logic.im 35 and the kiddy shit is a little annoying.
I'm developing a new Game theory whereby men actually do stupid shit like this on purpose, just to troll femoids and then laugh at them for their stupid, usually mean reactions.
He was cute, and probably just introverted. This is just a girl in high school who is rude an uninterested. I would have melted with joy and embarrassment if a guy did that for me in high school.
No, it's your defeatist mindset that's interesting. You guys spend so much time reinforcing it, and telling each other to be negative and assume the worst in women and attractive people. It's like your in a club of self hatred.
Being on this sub is like jumping into another dimension.
I just looked that up on urban dictionary. I think I have the gulist of what the black pill is, but I can give you thoroughly honest answer if you take the time to explain it from your point of view.
hella there. had no time to reply yesterday, so I'll do it today
let's tackle one subject at a time. so the first statement is, women are only attracted to looks, and anything else is just a rationalization of what they want. for example, woman likes good looking man, she learns that he's intelligent, she will say that she likes him because he's intelligent. meanwhile, it's false, she likes him because he's good-looking.
I actually have two personal experiences from high school alone where this was not the case at all.
When I was a senior and had a class adjacent to that of a solid 9/10 that I initially just saw as eye candy, but eventually really wanted to meet him.
One day my friend was hanging out with one of this guy's friends gfs in a group in the courtyard, and I of course took the opportunity to meet him. He wasn't loud and obnoxious, but he talked shit about a lot of people even his "friends". I excussed myself before too long knowing that he would probably talk shit about me after I walked away.
I didn't even like him as a person after that, let alone as eye candy. I moved on. Being a two faced little bitch is a huge deal breaker, even as an acquaintance.
Second instance was an actual Abercrombie and Fitch model. This boy was obviously a dream boat, but my vagina became as dry as the Sahara Desert when he really began to speak beyond pleasantries. That was disappointing to say the least. He was not rude. I remember him being a little dense when we were talking. Like I explained something five different ways the best that I could and he still could not see my point of view or understand my point. Conversation just didn't flow and I never went out of my way to talk to him after that.
Looks are what attract you to someone in the first place. You see a beautiful person and think " I want to know them", but looks can't carry a conversation with you or support you emotionally.
What you're basically saying is that you only go for Chads, and if you find their personalities boring, then you reject them. You have pretty high standards. Sure, you have that right of course. But this is what I think after reading this.
Which brings us to a second point. Ugly men have a very low chance to find love, meanwhile ugly women have no such issue. Do you agree with this, if not, then why?
Those were examples of when looks were not more importantant than other qualities.
I do personally think that personality is more important than how attractive a person is. I recognize that I am beautiful, and I can have my choice of men. I am very picky, yes, because I seek out long term partners. There is little point in being in a dead end relationship.
My current partner of almost five years is five foot three, bites his nails, and has an unruly beard. Not attractive by traditional standards but after getting to know him and now that I love him I think he's beautiful.
Who he is as a person and the way he makes me feel when I'm around him, paired with our common interests
are the reasons my "ugly" partner didn't have much trouble getting with me.
(He also never asked me for nudes)
"Ugly" men and women are still men and women. Women are traditionally better at communicating their intentions and feelings ugly or not. Men that are insecure on the other hand tend to get ahead of themselves and lash out when rejected. Some women are guilty of this to, but this is a more common occurrence with men. Being insecure and an asshole is a hurdle only you can set up for yourself when trying to get a partner. If you never clear it then not many people will want to date you.
In summary yes and no. No, because my partner is not attractive by traditional standards, and swept me off my feet. And, yes I agree with you because of my aforementioned statement regarding some of the fundamental differences between men and women, but of course that mentions that "ugly" or insecure men are essentially getting in their own way.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 5 foot 3 man in my life. After primary school.
Do you think all ugly, insecure men lash out at women because they’re rejected? There are plenty of very timid 20-something virgins on IncelTears, and of course here too. It’s not always self-inflicted, that’s the just world fallacy.
And the problem with handling rejection comes from the fact that these young men see all their peers getting on with women, while even if they do their best, they’re unable to do so. It’s pretty frustrating, I knew it firsthand. Maybe the most frustrating thing in it is that it should come to everyone naturally, but it doesn’t come to you.
Meanwhile ugly women can simply get on Tinder for some validation.
Everyone is different and it is okay if talking to the opposite sex is hard for some people, because that can be practiced and learned.
Ha, loads of people get validation from the internet.
All shapes, sizes, ethnicity's, and levels of attractiveness.
Some unnatractive people get validation from strangers. So what? Why would you compare yourself to an ugly girl?
Why compare yourself to anyone? It doesn't help or change anything, and it obviously makes you guys miserable. Why wallow in your misery as a collective, and reject anyone who says that they have met someone? That's the most heart breaking thing I see on here. You guys band together in solidarity, most of you probably don't have friends in real life and depend on this group, and then you all turn on anyone who has made progress with women. It's like a club for self centered assholes.
(No offense, and I know it's hard to not take it personally but I want to be honest.)
None taken. Honesty is a very important and respectable trait.
But do you seriously think that ugly men get validation from the internet? Try doing a tinder experiment with an ugly male, and you'll find out what the problem is. And let me be honest, since you're a woman, you have no idea how men feel when trying to date.
Honestly I only have Reddit and Twitter for social media so you probably know better than I do weather or not men get as much validation online. However, I don't feel like anyone should need validation from strangers online. It should come from people who actually matter in your life. That means much more than getting fifty likes on a photo or status. I have no idea what it's like to date as a man. You're right about that, but I date men,and it's not that different. It's just spending time together.
I also know that most of that "validation" is bullshit. People say stuff like "oh Becky you look amazing in this selfie", or "I'm so sorry you and Brad didn't work out" but they aren't actually friends in real life usually so it's pretty pointless.
I don't think an online stranger telling someone they look nice instead of you should be so upsetting.
No man, you hate yourselves.
No women in her right mind would think to themselves "I want to go have babies with a really insecure and emotionally unstable man that hates women".
That paired with not even attempting to looksmax is your downfall. There are many basic non invasive proscedures you can have done to boost your confidence and they aren't at an exorbitant cost either.
Your love life is in your own hands, and you choose to blame others for not having a SO.
Btw, All the time you have spent whining could have been better spent becoming a better version of yourself.
Some incels definitely do, but I hate society more.
No women in her right mind would think to themselves "I want to go have babies with a really insecure and emotionally unstable man that hates women".
No, let's bully him instead and watch him kill himself. Fuck human empathy I guess.
That paired with not even attempting to looksmax is your downfall. There are many basic non invasive proscedures you can have done to boost your confidence and they aren't at an exorbitant cost either. Your love life is in your own hands, and you choose to blame others for not having a SO.
"Don't put women on a pedestal, but dedicate your entire life to being as attractive as humanly possible"
Btw, All the time you have spent whining could have been better spent becoming a better version of yourself.
Walk me through this mindset.
We both know that Chad is born attractive and has tons of sex and female attention.
Incels are born ugly, and receive no female attention. But maybe if they go to the gym 7x a week, get leg lengthening surgery, and plastic surgery, they might get laid.
How exactly, in your mind, is this a fair system? How is this supposed to make incels feel better? Knowing that despite even their absolute best efforts, they will have to work harder for less? Chad always seems to win, even in inceltear fantasies.
Life is not a game. There are not rules to make it fair. You work with your strengths and do what you can to improve your weaknesses.
If you are insecure or even a little unhappy with something change it.
Even if women were obligated to have sex with you or even marry you it would take the fun out of having a partner.
It is amazing to meet someone and bond with them.
Mutually choosing each other over every other person by choice. That's what makes relationships and sex special.
If you want those things badly enough then get them the same way most people do. Do demand them because you are too defeatist to work for it.
Life is not a game. There are not rules to make it fair. You work with your strengths and do what you can to improve your weaknesses.
No shit, life is not a game. I'm curious, why do you never tell holocaust victims or female rape victims that life is not fair? Why is it always the people with whom you disagree that should just suck it up and ignore decades of oppression? Why do you never expect women to rise above their circumstances?
If you are insecure or even a little unhappy with something change it.
What if I am unhappy with modern civilization?
Even if women were obligated to have sex with you or even marry you it would take the fun out of having a partner.
Nope.
It is amazing to meet someone and bond with them.
Too bad I'll never experience it because women hate incels for no reason at all.
Mutually choosing each other over every other person by choice. That's what makes relationships and sex special.
Arranged marriages are like that too, except the woman is not a whore.
If you want those things badly enough then get them the same way most people do. Do not demand them because you are too defeatist to work for it.
Why were women not interested in us?
I'm also not trying to "make you feel better". I've only been stating my point of view.
My point of view is not oppressive to anyone.
The average person knows that if they want something they have to work for it.
If you don't like modern society and never intend to get a partner then live away from civilization.
You don't know how special it is to be in a mutual chosen relationship because you probably haven't been in one.
If you want an arranged marriage then go get an arranged marriage.
The girl or women that you would be marrying in that instance may not love you at first but Stockholm syndrome is a thing so you might get lucky.
The reason why women are not interested in you is because you are defeatist, mysogonistic, and don't try to looksmax or have a good personality.
Women as a rule tend to go for men that are just below, at, or just above their own level of attractiveness.
And look for common interests and values when along with similar level of physical attractiveness when choosing a partner.
Buddy, if you want a partner then find one that likes what you like. And try to be the best version of yourself.
My point of view is not oppressive to anyone. The average person knows that if they want something they have to work for it.
Except some have to work more than others for less? How is that not unfair?
If you don't like modern society and never intend to get a partner then live away from civilization.
Why would I not intend on getting a partner?
You don't know how special it is to be in a mutual chosen relationship because you probably haven't been in one.
Arranged marriages are chosen too.
If you want an arranged marriage then go get an arranged marriage. The girl or women that you would be marrying in that instance may not love you at first but Stockholm syndrome is a thing so you might get lucky.
Wow you sure got me there buddy.
The reason why women are not interested in you is because you are defeatist, mysogonistic, and don't try to looksmax or have a good personality.
Nope.
Women as a rule tend to go for men that are just below, at, or just above their own level of attractiveness. And look for common interests and values when along with similar level of physical attractiveness when choosing a partner.
Does an incel have a moral obligation to help a woman being raped?
But you aren't even willing to work for it. So how do you know you will get "less" when you don't even bother trying?
It does not seem like you want a partner honestly.
Arranged marriages are most commonly chosen by parents or grandparents. Some young people look forward to it and others do not, but they usually don't have a choice.
If you have basic empathy than I'd say yes. If you don't care about the suffering of others than I'd say you do not have common morality, and therefore you wouldn't be morally obligated.
But you aren't even willing to work for it. So how do you know you will get "less" when you don't even bother trying?
Because most of us have bothered? Are you trying to say that no incel goes to the gym, or showers, or shaves?
It does not seem like you want a partner honestly. Arranged marriages are most commonly chosen by parents or grandparents. Some young people look forward to it and others do not, but they usually don't have a choice.
Sure. How does that translate into not wanting a partner?
If you have basic empathy than I'd say yes. If you don't care about the suffering of others than I'd say you do not have common morality, and therefore you wouldn't be morally obligated.
LOL at the hypocrisy.
Is it morally okay for a woman to reject an incel because of his looks?
You asked me what makes me think you do not want a partner, and I said that it's because you do not genuinely come across as wanting one.
Some women are superficial, and that is a good thing because you can easily see how little caracter they have. Some women are a lot less superficial and care more about caracter than looks.
I.e. I'm five foot three and so is my boyfriend of five years. He also has a beard, and bites his nails.
He is however a really good man with a big heart, and we have common interests. That is more important to me than any other physical attribute a man could have.
Try what? Asking women out? Yeah, and I was rejected every time.
You asked me what makes me think you do not want a partner, and I said that it's because you do not genuinely come across as wanting one.
How do I not across as genuinely wanting one?
Some women are superficial, and that is a good thing because you can easily see how little caracter they have. Some women are a lot less superficial and care more about caracter than looks. I.e. I'm five foot three and so is my boyfriend of five years. He also has a beard, and bites his nails. He is however a really good man with a big heart, and we have common interests. That is more important to me than any other physical attribute a man could have.
You didn't answer my question. Is it morally acceptable for a woman to reject an incel because of his looks, yes or no?
Your attitude towards women is how I got that impression.
A lot of men and women reject potential partners because of their looks, but that is socially acceptable and morally acceptable. (It's really shitty though)
Anyone has the right to do that.
I have rejected potential partners for many reasons.
I have also been rejected before. It doesn't feel good, but it's a healthy part of life.
I wouldnt be with my partner today if I hadn't been rejected before.
A lot of men and women reject potential partners because of their looks, but that is socially acceptable and morally acceptable. (It's really shitty though) Anyone has the right to do that.
So now that you have established that it's okay to let someone suffer over something they can't control, what's wrong with not calling the police for rape victims?
You are not being physically assaulted when Stacy doesn't want to put your dick in her mouth. A rape victims on the other hand is. The fact that you cannot tell the difference shows you are not mature enough for a relationship.
I am not talking about the act itself, or the is. I am talking about the ought. Why should incels be morally compelled to help female rape victims, but women should not help incels with their suffering?
Maslows hierarchy of needs puts sex before freedom. Being rejected your entire life over something you can't control absolutely is suffering. Isolation chambers are considered a punishment in almost any prison system out there, and they get more suicides than people getting beaten up.
Also, don't pretend like we only help people as a society when they are physically assaulted.....
Sex or the lack of can truly affect a person's outlook on life. And human interaction is crucial for mental well being.
However, you are the reason you are not having the outcome you desire with women.
A person should never feel obligated to have sex. It's better when both parties want to have sex anyway.
And you can get help without being assaulted. It's called therapy. Honestly, I think you are too close to your own situation to realize how to help yourself without counseling.
With some self reflection, and guidance you could be really happy and in a healthy relationship. I hope you strongly consider it.
Sex or the lack of can truly affect a person's outlook on life. And human interaction is crucial for mental well being.
So what exactly do you disagree with? You have agreed that looks matter and that incels are suffering. Why are you still a hypocrite?
A person should never feel obligated to have sex. It's better when both parties want to have sex anyway.
"random claim I haven't argued for at all"
And you can get help without being assaulted. It's called therapy. Honestly, I think you are too close to your own situation to realize how to help yourself without counseling.
Why should I be morally compelled to help female rape victims? Can't they just go to therapists, after the damage is done?
With some self reflection, and guidance you could be really happy and in a healthy relationship. I hope you strongly consider it.
I have honestly enjoyed conversing with you, but I have been getting kind of harrassed by incelforlifelol in my pms, and to get him to just stop I told him I'd stay off this sub. I'll respond to your questions and points, but then I'll have to say fair well.
Looks do matter and in a way you are suffering. I agree, but you are in your own way. You guys have to work through your own problems and issues, and not expect anything just because you think you should be entitled to it. It's not "fair" that some people are attractive while others aren't, and attractive people have an easier time dating, but it's the way of the world, and the world won't change for you.
Rape victims usually do get therapy, helping others not be raped is in my opinion the right thing to do. Fucking someone because they are sad that they are still a virgin is pity sex in my opinion, and that's a nice thing to do someone, but it doesn't compare to preventing physical, sexual, mental, and emotional abuse, and trauma. When someone rejects you, you take a hit to your self esteem and your feelings get hurt, but other than that you are relatively, and comparably unscathed.
I'm F, 23, and I've been with my SO for five years.
I think I have a good grasp on your perspective, and I appreciate that you shared it with me. I hope you have a nice life, and good luck in your romantic endeavors.
I’ve seen a few of these videos recently, and it really makes me wonder why this is a thing. Like where do young people come up with this shit? Who told them it was a good idea? I could understand if someone did some stupid shit like this when I was in high school, before the internet existed. But I never saw it happen or heard of it happening then. Now every source a guy might go to tells them this is a terrible idea.
To take it a step further, if someone pulled this kid aside before he brought this girl gifts and told him it was a shitty plan, would he listen?
Alright guys number one this guy is more attractive(so no im so ugly bs), becky aint pretty, and he fucked up by saying I love you and doing a flashy thing in middle of the school.
MMM.... If I were there, I would SOOO SMOTHER my FACE NOSE FIRST and RUB n SNIFF both her SPANDEX covered ASS n PUSSY DEEP ALL DAY!!! I can just SMELL the STRONG, MUSTY/BITTER ODORS of PEE, POO n CROTCH-SWEAT all MIXED with SPANDEX RAVAGING my NOSTRILS and making me erupt quickly!!! Hope she DOESEN'T WIPE or SHOWER often, that NASTY, PISSY POOPY and FISHY SPANDEXY STINK is the BEST!!!
What the fuck? He cared enough about this woman to buy her a gift basket and profess his love in public, and you're STILL trying to find excuses as to why he was rejected? Your logic doesn't even make sense.
I'm not even a member of this community and even I know this is fucked up. Face the facts, the incels are correct this time. She thought he was ugly and rejected him because she thinks she deserves better (and will probably be one of those women who complain about how they can't get a good man later in life).
Women aren't angels. Stop simping for women you've never met or even conversed with and probably never will.
I’ve seen a few of these videos recently, and it really makes me wonder why this is a thing. Like where do young people come up with this shit? Who told them it was a good idea? I could understand if someone did some stupid shit like this when I was in high school, before the internet existed. But I never saw it happen or heard of it happening then. Now every source a guy might go to tells them this is a terrible idea.
To take it a step further, if someone pulled this kid aside before he brought this girl gifts and told him it was a shitty plan, would he listen?
My point of view is not oppressive to anyone. The average person knows that if they want something they have to work for it.
Except some have to work more than others for less? How is that not unfair?
If you don't like modern society and never intend to get a partner then live away from civilization.
Why would I not intend on getting a partner?
You don't know how special it is to be in a mutual chosen relationship because you probably haven't been in one.
Arranged marriages are chosen too.
If you want an arranged marriage then go get an arranged marriage. The girl or women that you would be marrying in that instance may not love you at first but Stockholm syndrome is a thing so you might get lucky.
Wow you sure got me there buddy.
The reason why women are not interested in you is because you are defeatist, mysogonistic, and don't try to looksmax or have a good personality.
Nope.
Women as a rule tend to go for men that are just below, at, or just above their own level of attractiveness. And look for common interests and values when along with similar level of physical attractiveness when choosing a partner.
Does an incel have a moral obligation to help a woman being raped?
A lot of men and women reject potential partners because of their looks, but that is socially acceptable and morally acceptable. (It's really shitty though) Anyone has the right to do that.
So now that you have established that it's okay to let someone suffer over something they can't control, what's wrong with not calling the police for rape victims?
117 comments
1 shakelicknstick 2018-03-27
Its over for neckbeardcels
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
It never started tbh
1 EvilMortyBot 2018-03-27
And he’s attractive. Wtf?
1 notsoeasytopickaname 2018-03-27
But he's not Chad though
1 EvilMortyBot 2018-03-27
I know.
1 082rz 2018-03-27
he looks better than her. I hope he learnt his lesson and stopped being such a cuck.
1 thisismeastroturfing 2018-03-27
Almost like there's more to society
1 itsbeenover 2018-03-27
they're looksmatched too, goddamn son
1 lambcel 2018-03-27
Cuck deserved it tbh... how beta do you have to be to think a foid would find that cringy shit cute.
1 DryYard 2018-03-27
That guy fucking mogs everybody here. It's fucking OVER.
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-03-27
he mogs her. its over
1 hyperconstruct 2018-03-27
Just gotta wonder, what the fuck is so funny?
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
People laugh in uncomfortable situations
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Still not an excuse to record and laugh in the face of a guy who is shooting his shot and had obviously put some thought into doing so.
1 DildoShwaagins 2018-03-27
How cringy to put her on the spot with a lame ass gift basket and a giant plush bunny... If he would have approached her in a private and intimate way he might have succeeded.
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
You gotta go as hard as possible at all times fam.
1 DildoShwaagins 2018-03-27
Yeah if you want to be a retarded failure joke. Show some class and respect and you won't get publicly humiliated.
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Saying ok, and walking away without making a scene isn't showing "class and respect?" You're also saying that she wouldn't have laughed if he did it without the gifts? What world do you live in lmao?
1 DildoShwaagins 2018-03-27
Maybe he shouldn't have put her on the spot in front of a whole bunch of people. This was bad planning and cringy as fuck. He might have succeeded if he had been more tactful. Also giant stuffed bunny and gift basket while asking for a FIRST DATE screams desperation and already guarantees failure.
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
You're such a bullshitter lmao. If she would have said yes, your view on this would be a lot different.
1 DildoShwaagins 2018-03-27
Well no shit my view would be different if the outcome was different. Fucking genius over here... I'm reacting to the outcome that happened not some hypothetical. We don't know this guys history with this girl. We have no context except he seems to be asking her out with the type of gifts you give a gf of 3 years on a first attempt to get a date.
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Ok, so it's only a good idea when it works and a bad idea when it doesn't? Genius right here.
1 DildoShwaagins 2018-03-27
Putting a girl On the spot with a giant gift asking for a FIRST date in front of everyone when you aren't even sure if she likes you is a TRUE sign of an AUTISMCEL
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Getting asked out is always being put on the spot.
Yes, that is how asking out a girl works.
1 ae28 2018-03-27
No, you do not.
--Someone who has had sex with girls
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Cope, if the guy in the vid asked her out off-handedly and she said no, you would be bitching about him not trying hard enough.
Congratulations, you and your family should be very proud.
1 ae28 2018-03-27
What am I coping with? I'm Chad.
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Body count?
1 ae28 2018-03-27
more than you
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Lol, I knew it. Just because you've had sex with one girl who you may or may not have paid for doesn't make you Chad.
1 TheEndIsComing29 2018-03-27
Lol Chad doesn't have time or find the need to browse incel forums in his spare time. You fucking wish you low tier Norman.
1 catherUne 2018-03-27
You can see that this approach didn't work. Normies in the thread are telling you that this was a bad approach. YOU are the one coping at this point, in your insistence that the guy did the right thing by asking her out in this big ridiculous gesture, and that she is the bad guy for not appreciating the gesture. (Don't get me wrong, she is a bitch for laughing at him and putting this video on social media, but it was pretty foolish of him to pull this big romantic gesture on a girl he's not 1. already dating or 2. knows is interested in him. A big public show like this is never a good move).
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-27
Cope. Chad can pull this off easily.
1 TordYvel 2018-03-27
Yes he can, but you don't want to base absolutely anything on what works for 0.1% of all men.
Does this work for an average male trying to hit on an average girl? Not at all.
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
He fucking said "I love you" he clearly doesn't understand what that really means and cheesy bullshit does not convey that
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
If she had said yes you would not have called it "cheesy bullshit." Don't kid yourself.
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
Well they're both children so it wouldn't surprise me if she fell for that shtick. Either way it's undeniably cheesy as fuck
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Why are you acting like buying her gifts was his way of like manipulating her or something?
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
That's not what I'm implying at all, those gifts specifically are lame as fuck but a child like her might have been swayed and thought it was romantic
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Bro she's at least 15 or 16 years old, you're acting like she's a toddler. And what do you mean?
This implies that it's a gimmick.
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
16 year olds are dumb as fuck that's undeniable. And public displays like this ARE a gimmick they're a cheap ploy
1 TordYvel 2018-03-27
Imagine being her, average thot, and this random average guy comes with a huge bunny and makes a public display. I would feel awkward as hell.
1 MomentaryMadness 2018-03-27
Let me get my guidebook that tells me how one is SUPPOSED to ask a girl out. Oh that's right there is none. He thought what he was doing would work because he probably doesn't know any better and because no one actually teaches you how to do that in any point of your life.
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
If there was one this would not be in it
1 sef239 2018-03-27
there isn't a guidebook because there doesn't need to be one. you literally just ask them to hang out and go from there, not show up with a bunch of gifts and ask them in public.
its the same thing as guys who propose marriage to their girlfriends at concerts on stage or whatever. its cringey even if the girl says yes, its just a bad, risky idea.
1 bengalsturntup5532 2018-03-27
I don't think he's incel I'm sure if she don't like him one of them other thoties will later. When he grows up some more he will probably have a hot gf like aj McCarron has or something. As for her she looks childish and showing off. Not that I'm defending women just using some logic.im 35 and the kiddy shit is a little annoying.
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-03-27
I'm developing a new Game theory whereby men actually do stupid shit like this on purpose, just to troll femoids and then laugh at them for their stupid, usually mean reactions.
It's a way of taking away their power.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Sounds retarded
1 shockinghillaryquote 2018-03-27
For some reason I find this really fucking funny
1 DankIncel 2018-03-27
He is dumb for putting that much effort for an FHO
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
He was cute, and probably just introverted. This is just a girl in high school who is rude an uninterested. I would have melted with joy and embarrassment if a guy did that for me in high school.
1 mangoman30 2018-03-27
T E E H E E
1 TordYvel 2018-03-27
Somehow, "introverted" and "asking girls out in public" are not compatible.
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
I agree. He had great intensions, but should have gone another route.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Why do you hate us over something we can't control?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
I don't hate anyone. I think this sub is kind of interesting. That's the only reason I'm here.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
wow lonely men so interesting me so unique wait chad donleave me
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
No, it's your defeatist mindset that's interesting. You guys spend so much time reinforcing it, and telling each other to be negative and assume the worst in women and attractive people. It's like your in a club of self hatred.
Being on this sub is like jumping into another dimension.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
dont hate urself. women are pepol too ull find someone why be negative /CHADWAIT/ its ur attitude dont hate only love --chad
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
No, I don't have an opinion on if any of you will find love or not, and you can be bitter and hateful till the cows come home. I don't care.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
don't care
still watch
im so unique
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Why do you have an aversion to full sentences?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
ezr write
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Is typing hard or are you juggling a lot of conversations?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
Neither. I just felt that it would be effective to write this way. Do you seriously think the blackpill is wrong? If yes, in what sense?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
I just looked that up on urban dictionary. I think I have the gulist of what the black pill is, but I can give you thoroughly honest answer if you take the time to explain it from your point of view.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
hella there. had no time to reply yesterday, so I'll do it today
let's tackle one subject at a time. so the first statement is, women are only attracted to looks, and anything else is just a rationalization of what they want. for example, woman likes good looking man, she learns that he's intelligent, she will say that she likes him because he's intelligent. meanwhile, it's false, she likes him because he's good-looking.
what do you think about that?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
I actually have two personal experiences from high school alone where this was not the case at all.
When I was a senior and had a class adjacent to that of a solid 9/10 that I initially just saw as eye candy, but eventually really wanted to meet him. One day my friend was hanging out with one of this guy's friends gfs in a group in the courtyard, and I of course took the opportunity to meet him. He wasn't loud and obnoxious, but he talked shit about a lot of people even his "friends". I excussed myself before too long knowing that he would probably talk shit about me after I walked away. I didn't even like him as a person after that, let alone as eye candy. I moved on. Being a two faced little bitch is a huge deal breaker, even as an acquaintance.
Second instance was an actual Abercrombie and Fitch model. This boy was obviously a dream boat, but my vagina became as dry as the Sahara Desert when he really began to speak beyond pleasantries. That was disappointing to say the least. He was not rude. I remember him being a little dense when we were talking. Like I explained something five different ways the best that I could and he still could not see my point of view or understand my point. Conversation just didn't flow and I never went out of my way to talk to him after that.
Looks are what attract you to someone in the first place. You see a beautiful person and think " I want to know them", but looks can't carry a conversation with you or support you emotionally.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
What you're basically saying is that you only go for Chads, and if you find their personalities boring, then you reject them. You have pretty high standards. Sure, you have that right of course. But this is what I think after reading this.
Which brings us to a second point. Ugly men have a very low chance to find love, meanwhile ugly women have no such issue. Do you agree with this, if not, then why?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Those were examples of when looks were not more importantant than other qualities.
I do personally think that personality is more important than how attractive a person is. I recognize that I am beautiful, and I can have my choice of men. I am very picky, yes, because I seek out long term partners. There is little point in being in a dead end relationship.
My current partner of almost five years is five foot three, bites his nails, and has an unruly beard. Not attractive by traditional standards but after getting to know him and now that I love him I think he's beautiful. Who he is as a person and the way he makes me feel when I'm around him, paired with our common interests are the reasons my "ugly" partner didn't have much trouble getting with me. (He also never asked me for nudes)
"Ugly" men and women are still men and women. Women are traditionally better at communicating their intentions and feelings ugly or not. Men that are insecure on the other hand tend to get ahead of themselves and lash out when rejected. Some women are guilty of this to, but this is a more common occurrence with men. Being insecure and an asshole is a hurdle only you can set up for yourself when trying to get a partner. If you never clear it then not many people will want to date you.
In summary yes and no. No, because my partner is not attractive by traditional standards, and swept me off my feet. And, yes I agree with you because of my aforementioned statement regarding some of the fundamental differences between men and women, but of course that mentions that "ugly" or insecure men are essentially getting in their own way.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 5 foot 3 man in my life. After primary school.
Do you think all ugly, insecure men lash out at women because they’re rejected? There are plenty of very timid 20-something virgins on IncelTears, and of course here too. It’s not always self-inflicted, that’s the just world fallacy.
And the problem with handling rejection comes from the fact that these young men see all their peers getting on with women, while even if they do their best, they’re unable to do so. It’s pretty frustrating, I knew it firsthand. Maybe the most frustrating thing in it is that it should come to everyone naturally, but it doesn’t come to you.
Meanwhile ugly women can simply get on Tinder for some validation.
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
He and I both stopped growing in middle school.
Everyone is different and it is okay if talking to the opposite sex is hard for some people, because that can be practiced and learned.
Ha, loads of people get validation from the internet. All shapes, sizes, ethnicity's, and levels of attractiveness. Some unnatractive people get validation from strangers. So what? Why would you compare yourself to an ugly girl? Why compare yourself to anyone? It doesn't help or change anything, and it obviously makes you guys miserable. Why wallow in your misery as a collective, and reject anyone who says that they have met someone? That's the most heart breaking thing I see on here. You guys band together in solidarity, most of you probably don't have friends in real life and depend on this group, and then you all turn on anyone who has made progress with women. It's like a club for self centered assholes. (No offense, and I know it's hard to not take it personally but I want to be honest.)
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
None taken. Honesty is a very important and respectable trait.
But do you seriously think that ugly men get validation from the internet? Try doing a tinder experiment with an ugly male, and you'll find out what the problem is. And let me be honest, since you're a woman, you have no idea how men feel when trying to date.
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Honestly I only have Reddit and Twitter for social media so you probably know better than I do weather or not men get as much validation online. However, I don't feel like anyone should need validation from strangers online. It should come from people who actually matter in your life. That means much more than getting fifty likes on a photo or status. I have no idea what it's like to date as a man. You're right about that, but I date men,and it's not that different. It's just spending time together.
I also know that most of that "validation" is bullshit. People say stuff like "oh Becky you look amazing in this selfie", or "I'm so sorry you and Brad didn't work out" but they aren't actually friends in real life usually so it's pretty pointless. I don't think an online stranger telling someone they look nice instead of you should be so upsetting.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Yes you do hate us, or else we would not be suffering our entire lives.
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
No man, you hate yourselves. No women in her right mind would think to themselves "I want to go have babies with a really insecure and emotionally unstable man that hates women".
That paired with not even attempting to looksmax is your downfall. There are many basic non invasive proscedures you can have done to boost your confidence and they aren't at an exorbitant cost either. Your love life is in your own hands, and you choose to blame others for not having a SO.
Btw, All the time you have spent whining could have been better spent becoming a better version of yourself.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Some incels definitely do, but I hate society more.
No, let's bully him instead and watch him kill himself. Fuck human empathy I guess.
"Don't put women on a pedestal, but dedicate your entire life to being as attractive as humanly possible"
Walk me through this mindset.
We both know that Chad is born attractive and has tons of sex and female attention.
Incels are born ugly, and receive no female attention. But maybe if they go to the gym 7x a week, get leg lengthening surgery, and plastic surgery, they might get laid.
How exactly, in your mind, is this a fair system? How is this supposed to make incels feel better? Knowing that despite even their absolute best efforts, they will have to work harder for less? Chad always seems to win, even in inceltear fantasies.
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Life is not a game. There are not rules to make it fair. You work with your strengths and do what you can to improve your weaknesses.
If you are insecure or even a little unhappy with something change it.
Even if women were obligated to have sex with you or even marry you it would take the fun out of having a partner.
It is amazing to meet someone and bond with them. Mutually choosing each other over every other person by choice. That's what makes relationships and sex special. If you want those things badly enough then get them the same way most people do. Do demand them because you are too defeatist to work for it.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
No shit, life is not a game. I'm curious, why do you never tell holocaust victims or female rape victims that life is not fair? Why is it always the people with whom you disagree that should just suck it up and ignore decades of oppression? Why do you never expect women to rise above their circumstances?
What if I am unhappy with modern civilization?
Nope.
Too bad I'll never experience it because women hate incels for no reason at all.
Arranged marriages are like that too, except the woman is not a whore.
Why were women not interested in us?
Your point of view is oppressive to incels.
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
My point of view is not oppressive to anyone. The average person knows that if they want something they have to work for it.
If you don't like modern society and never intend to get a partner then live away from civilization.
You don't know how special it is to be in a mutual chosen relationship because you probably haven't been in one.
If you want an arranged marriage then go get an arranged marriage. The girl or women that you would be marrying in that instance may not love you at first but Stockholm syndrome is a thing so you might get lucky.
The reason why women are not interested in you is because you are defeatist, mysogonistic, and don't try to looksmax or have a good personality. Women as a rule tend to go for men that are just below, at, or just above their own level of attractiveness. And look for common interests and values when along with similar level of physical attractiveness when choosing a partner.
Buddy, if you want a partner then find one that likes what you like. And try to be the best version of yourself.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Except some have to work more than others for less? How is that not unfair?
Why would I not intend on getting a partner?
Arranged marriages are chosen too.
Wow you sure got me there buddy.
Nope.
Does an incel have a moral obligation to help a woman being raped?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
But you aren't even willing to work for it. So how do you know you will get "less" when you don't even bother trying?
It does not seem like you want a partner honestly. Arranged marriages are most commonly chosen by parents or grandparents. Some young people look forward to it and others do not, but they usually don't have a choice.
If you have basic empathy than I'd say yes. If you don't care about the suffering of others than I'd say you do not have common morality, and therefore you wouldn't be morally obligated.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Because most of us have bothered? Are you trying to say that no incel goes to the gym, or showers, or shaves?
Sure. How does that translate into not wanting a partner?
LOL at the hypocrisy.
Is it morally okay for a woman to reject an incel because of his looks?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
But have you personally tried?
You asked me what makes me think you do not want a partner, and I said that it's because you do not genuinely come across as wanting one.
Some women are superficial, and that is a good thing because you can easily see how little caracter they have. Some women are a lot less superficial and care more about caracter than looks. I.e. I'm five foot three and so is my boyfriend of five years. He also has a beard, and bites his nails. He is however a really good man with a big heart, and we have common interests. That is more important to me than any other physical attribute a man could have.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Try what? Asking women out? Yeah, and I was rejected every time.
How do I not across as genuinely wanting one?
You didn't answer my question. Is it morally acceptable for a woman to reject an incel because of his looks, yes or no?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Your attitude towards women is how I got that impression.
A lot of men and women reject potential partners because of their looks, but that is socially acceptable and morally acceptable. (It's really shitty though) Anyone has the right to do that.
I have rejected potential partners for many reasons. I have also been rejected before. It doesn't feel good, but it's a healthy part of life. I wouldnt be with my partner today if I hadn't been rejected before.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
So now that you have established that it's okay to let someone suffer over something they can't control, what's wrong with not calling the police for rape victims?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
You are not being physically assaulted when Stacy doesn't want to put your dick in her mouth. A rape victims on the other hand is.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
I am not talking about the act itself, or the is. I am talking about the ought. Why should incels be morally compelled to help female rape victims, but women should not help incels with their suffering?
Maslows hierarchy of needs puts sex before freedom. Being rejected your entire life over something you can't control absolutely is suffering. Isolation chambers are considered a punishment in almost any prison system out there, and they get more suicides than people getting beaten up.
Also, don't pretend like we only help people as a society when they are physically assaulted.....
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
Sex or the lack of can truly affect a person's outlook on life. And human interaction is crucial for mental well being.
However, you are the reason you are not having the outcome you desire with women.
A person should never feel obligated to have sex. It's better when both parties want to have sex anyway.
And you can get help without being assaulted. It's called therapy. Honestly, I think you are too close to your own situation to realize how to help yourself without counseling.
With some self reflection, and guidance you could be really happy and in a healthy relationship. I hope you strongly consider it.
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
So what exactly do you disagree with? You have agreed that looks matter and that incels are suffering. Why are you still a hypocrite?
"random claim I haven't argued for at all"
Why should I be morally compelled to help female rape victims? Can't they just go to therapists, after the damage is done?
How old are you and what is your gender?
1 Crocodilesclimbtrees 2018-03-27
I have honestly enjoyed conversing with you, but I have been getting kind of harrassed by incelforlifelol in my pms, and to get him to just stop I told him I'd stay off this sub. I'll respond to your questions and points, but then I'll have to say fair well.
Looks do matter and in a way you are suffering. I agree, but you are in your own way. You guys have to work through your own problems and issues, and not expect anything just because you think you should be entitled to it. It's not "fair" that some people are attractive while others aren't, and attractive people have an easier time dating, but it's the way of the world, and the world won't change for you.
Rape victims usually do get therapy, helping others not be raped is in my opinion the right thing to do. Fucking someone because they are sad that they are still a virgin is pity sex in my opinion, and that's a nice thing to do someone, but it doesn't compare to preventing physical, sexual, mental, and emotional abuse, and trauma. When someone rejects you, you take a hit to your self esteem and your feelings get hurt, but other than that you are relatively, and comparably unscathed.
I'm F, 23, and I've been with my SO for five years.
I think I have a good grasp on your perspective, and I appreciate that you shared it with me. I hope you have a nice life, and good luck in your romantic endeavors.
1 whoareyou31 2018-03-27
Hes not ugly and yall fucking know it. If she said yes you dumb asses would be like “big surprise attractive people are attractive.”
1 Viramont 2018-03-27
Protip: Grand gestures for girls who aren’t your girlfriend are always a bad idea, don’t do it. The kid is not an incel, he is socially unaware.
1 TordYvel 2018-03-27
He's gonna be if he lets this moment define him and does not get rid of his neckbeard though
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-03-27
It’s called “confirmation bias.”
1 catherUne 2018-03-27
That's more of a chin-beard I'd say.
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-03-27
Totally!
I’ve seen a few of these videos recently, and it really makes me wonder why this is a thing. Like where do young people come up with this shit? Who told them it was a good idea? I could understand if someone did some stupid shit like this when I was in high school, before the internet existed. But I never saw it happen or heard of it happening then. Now every source a guy might go to tells them this is a terrible idea.
To take it a step further, if someone pulled this kid aside before he brought this girl gifts and told him it was a shitty plan, would he listen?
1 ClintonShockTrooper 2018-03-27
Hollywood
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-03-27
Makes sense. The looser always gets the girl, right?
1 iQ9k 2018-03-27
Unless you're good-looking of course, then you can do this no problem
1 Mr_M0t0m0 2018-03-27
He shouldn't worry. In about 5 years, she'll be stripping, escorting, or both. Brush you shoulders off dude and put that bitch in the past.
1 frankwashere44 2018-03-27
And in 5 years he'll be a suicidal virgin. She still wins.
1 tropical_cockonut 2018-03-27
Not if he takes her with him
1 iQ9k 2018-03-27
The ultimate normie cope.
1 BatBatB 2018-03-27
Lmfao shes brave to be talking with that lebron hairline
1 Aworthy420 2018-03-27
Alright guys number one this guy is more attractive(so no im so ugly bs), becky aint pretty, and he fucked up by saying I love you and doing a flashy thing in middle of the school.
1 SnowMan878 2018-03-27
rip
1 TheBigCon4800 2018-03-27
MMM.... If I were there, I would SOOO SMOTHER my FACE NOSE FIRST and RUB n SNIFF both her SPANDEX covered ASS n PUSSY DEEP ALL DAY!!! I can just SMELL the STRONG, MUSTY/BITTER ODORS of PEE, POO n CROTCH-SWEAT all MIXED with SPANDEX RAVAGING my NOSTRILS and making me erupt quickly!!! Hope she DOESEN'T WIPE or SHOWER often, that NASTY, PISSY POOPY and FISHY SPANDEXY STINK is the BEST!!!
1 AndySambergsPants 2018-03-27
Do you think just maybe he didn't need the HUGE teddy bear, the basket of stuff, and the starting line of "hey, I love you."?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-27
do u think ur a gigantic faggot
1 BICHIAMUP 2018-03-27
What the fuck? He cared enough about this woman to buy her a gift basket and profess his love in public, and you're STILL trying to find excuses as to why he was rejected? Your logic doesn't even make sense.
I'm not even a member of this community and even I know this is fucked up. Face the facts, the incels are correct this time. She thought he was ugly and rejected him because she thinks she deserves better (and will probably be one of those women who complain about how they can't get a good man later in life).
Women aren't angels. Stop simping for women you've never met or even conversed with and probably never will.
1 opsecincels 2018-03-27
Thank you for standing up for the bullied and oppressed. I appreciate your comment dear friend.
1 wfltg 2018-03-27
He sure didn't need to be recorded, and laughed at too.
1 AndySambergsPants 2018-03-27
No, of course not.
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-27
Ouch. We've all been there (maybe not that publicly...).
1 ChancePalpitation 2018-03-27
Lmao at all the IT white knights in the comments attacking him for being "socially unaware'
As if it's ever acceptable to film his rejection, laugh at him, and upload it on social media. Come on.
1 sydj_k94 2018-03-27
This is so sad. Those girls should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I’d get coffee with that kid in a heartbeat!
1 BF8211 2018-03-27
Most women will laugh and reject you (unless you're Chad).
1 OptimusPiss 2018-03-27
People laugh in uncomfortable situations
1 TordYvel 2018-03-27
He's gonna be if he lets this moment define him and does not get rid of his neckbeard though
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-03-27
Totally!
I’ve seen a few of these videos recently, and it really makes me wonder why this is a thing. Like where do young people come up with this shit? Who told them it was a good idea? I could understand if someone did some stupid shit like this when I was in high school, before the internet existed. But I never saw it happen or heard of it happening then. Now every source a guy might go to tells them this is a terrible idea.
To take it a step further, if someone pulled this kid aside before he brought this girl gifts and told him it was a shitty plan, would he listen?
1 iQ9k 2018-03-27
Unless you're good-looking of course, then you can do this no problem
1 StoopidSeksyFlanders 2018-03-27
It’s called “confirmation bias.”
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
Except some have to work more than others for less? How is that not unfair?
Why would I not intend on getting a partner?
Arranged marriages are chosen too.
Wow you sure got me there buddy.
Nope.
Does an incel have a moral obligation to help a woman being raped?
1 Shazig 2018-03-27
So now that you have established that it's okay to let someone suffer over something they can't control, what's wrong with not calling the police for rape victims?
1 catherUne 2018-03-27
That's more of a chin-beard I'd say.