Like I said on incels.me, there needs to be anti bullying movements and height positivity movements. The cause is more important than the effect.

But there was an anti-bullying movement after Columbine and nothing happened other than Rachel’s Challenge. This shooting was worse than Columbine. If an anti bullying movement didn’t work then, it’s not gonna work now.

Then the shootings will keep happening. Simple as that.

...Yay?

You said it, not me.

Okay then.

Was the campaign actually effective at reducing bullying? Did it succeed in creating a less toxic and violent environment for kids in schools? I don't think it did.

No. It was all about Rachel and how she had psychic powers.

And in this modern age, the spreading of the awareness is taken less seriously.

Fucking hashtags man.

It can work, it just hasn't been implemented correctly yet

It hasn't been implemented correctly yet because it can't. The kids who feel the need to bully aren't going to stop, they simply don't give a fuck.

Kids who naturally bully others usually have more confidence, tend to be more narcissistic/sociopathic, etc. Giving them some slap on the wrist won't do anything to curb their behavior. People want to act like they can stay whatever they want, to whoever they want with zero consequences - but will still bitch and moan when shit like this happens to them.

That's why they need more than a slap on the wrist, duh

They still won't care. You can't reason with people like Emma Gonzalez or David Hogg. Not to mention even if the school did do shit, the kids could still get bullied online due to social media - which is arguably worse, since there is the potential for a larger audience and people feel more free to say stupid/hurtful shit since it's through a computer screen and not face-to-face.

If they got expelled or a lengthy suspension, or in extreme cases legal repurcussion they would definitely care. Just because they can be bullied online doesn't change the fact that people bullying them in real life shouldn't face consequences. Plus It's a lot easier to disconnect from online harassment, all you have to do is block someone or if it's really bad, don't go to that social media site until it blows over.

Yup. It won't stop because we're animals. We naturally seek to laugh at, ostracize, and bully low value humans (especially male ones, but I'll admit that some low tier females can get this treatment as well).

We cannot stop our primitive need to feel superior.

It can succeed. It's possible to make some things so utterly repulsive and socially unacceptable, that they stop being the norm.

Human beings are naturally racist animals, but the decades of anti-racist public education and cultural inundation has made overt racism socially unacceptable (at least against blacks). Do the same w/ bullying.

We’ve also made killing other people socially unacceptable. Hasn’t done much to dissuade many homocides and mass shootings across the globe, has it?

It's done a lot, actually, relative to primitive cultures wherein murder over perceived grievances was considered acceptable.

That's because anti-bullying is an individual responsibility. Humans are prideful creatures that detest responsibility. Hence why most people are consumerist sheep and are used by those who have the power of will and self-responsibility.

there needs to be anti bullying movements and height positivity movements

LOL yeah let's put empty slogans against human biology.

You're really no different from feminists.

Height positivity is different from fat positivity in a pretty fundamental way: you can't change your height.

even as a tall, non-incel i completely agree with you.

fat acceptance is "dont judge me for being lazy and having disgusting dieting habits" (unless theres a medical condition)

Height acceptance is literally just "dont judge me for one aspect i cant control"

We definitely should NOT have height positivity movements, I know you think it'll help. But it's going to be counterproductive and make Heightism more in your face.

YEAH WE MIGHT HAVE BULLIED HIM BUT HE ENDED UP RETROACTIVELY DESERVING IT

The sheer lack of any self awareness

Gen z is full on retarded

It's over for current generationcels.

Let’s be real here there are retards in all generations it just seems that gen z either has more or shown more with social media

That's not what she meant, she's talking about what he did during his school life.

"Schooling while ugly"

What a disgusting roastie holy shit

lmfao I'm so sick of seeing this obnoxious dyke bitch on the news, too bad he missed her tbh

This is why they will bury this post. Dont want anyone to see the evil side of incels

Which evil side? The side that demands retribution for a life of injustice? It's not like we're even threatening to do it, we're not mental. We just recognize the men who had the mettle to fight back.

SO MASS MURDER IS JUSTIFIED OR NOT?

Neither side is righteous. It's just that one side took matters into its hands to exact what he believed was just retribution. I condemn both while recognizing the one side that had the courage to stand up.

Stop getting your panties in a twist, since what you want is someone to blow up and tell you "YES" so that you can go post this at IT and you can all masturbate about how you are in "the right".

1. Its not courage to shoot people who have no guns.

2. One is quantifiably worse than the other

3. I'm banned from IT for making fun of a hypocritical fat roastie

Is it then more courageous to bully and gang up on a kid who is as defenseless towards it as the kids he shot were against his gun?

Both sides of the issue are abominable, but you don't empathize with Cruz because you have never suffered as we do. Stop trying to bait a response and fuck off.

I was bullied. Tried to kill myself. MURDER IS NOT EQUAL TO BULLYING. I also never said bullying is courage. But you did say mass murder is. I dont empathize with cruz because he killed random people.

I also never said Mass Murder was courage. I said standing up to his abusers was courage - most of us just took it without complaining. That he stood up by showing up to school with a gun is a different thing. He had the guts to say "enough", unfortunately for everyone he went overboard with the enforcing.

I should stop taking this fucking low quality bait but I'm loathe to leave you with the last word.

You said him getting the gun and shooting the school is "standing up for himself" explain.

I literally never said that, you gaslighting normie piece of shit. Back to IncelTears with you.

The only thing he did was to shoot up a school. Literally no other thing. So, what exactly did you say was standing up. What else was courageous? His idea of standing up was killing people. Are you gonna say a rapist is standing up when a girl spits on him and bullies him and he rapes her?

The act of deciding to take action is what is courageous. Again, most of us just took the bullying and never did anything about it. That he decided to do something about it is what's courageous. I am not praising the shooting, it is a tragedy, but he had the will to make the decision to act against his bullies. That the first thing he thought of was to get a gun and turn them into swiss cheese is a shame.

Killing is not standing up for yourself. At all. If you decision when standing up for yourself is an unfair fight in which the loser NEVER RECOVERS, its not standing up its cold blooded revenge .

You're either purposefully missing the point in order to bait me into saying something inflammatory or an absolute brainlet - either way, I'm disengaging from this conversation.

I dont think you intended to say what you did

What's the point of even discussing anything if you're going to purposefully miss the point?

You also had parents to mentor and guide you. Cruz didn't. He literally had nobody. Comparing your decision to not shoot up a school even though you were bullied is irrelevant since you did not have the same life circumstances.

It's about vengeance, and whether or not bullying is worse than murder is irrelevant to the person seeking retribution.

SO BULLYING IS JUSTIFIED OR NOT? I'M IN ALL CAPS SO YOU SEE MY POINT.

BULLYING IS EQUIVALENT TO MURDER?

ARGUE ANY TIME

No, but he shouldn't've been bullied either. Look I'm all for getting assault weapons off the streets (although most gun violence is done by handguns but you know whatever), but not once have I seen anyone talk about the bullying issue. I guarantee she's fine with bullying, hell she even shows no remorse for her actions. Her next point is that "HE WOULDN'T'VE KILLED AS MANY PEOPLE WITH A KNIFE!" okay sure, but it seems like you're mad about the guns, and perfectly fine with bullying.

there is no assault weapons, assault wepaons are fully auto which you need a high level license for. ar-15's are armalite rifles, hunting rifles are more powerful. ar's are hard to conceal. the virgina tech killer had handguns and killed 30 people. AR's don't need to be banned, handguns are the best since they can be concealed.

It's not an either/or situation. If someone punches you in the face, and you respond by pistol-whipping them, you are both justified and guilty of using excessive force, in varying measures.

I do like your use of all caps though. You would rather go for the "gotcha" moment than to try to have a reasonable discussion. Kind of shows where your head is at in this regard.

I dont know when you defend mass shooting because bullying kind of shows where your head is at in this regard. (Comparing them to punching and pistol whipping)

Innocent people should have expected getting brained because someone bullied someone else. (Full story is that he wasn't innocent either before the shooting so.....)

we don't live in a disney world you cuck. I'm tired of people thinking hte world is unicorns and hugs. it's a rough place and actions can have bad consequences. There's been a few mass shootings, so yes to some people it's completely justified. They've been tormented mentally for years. so they felt it was fine to torment them back.

Females will never take responsibility for anything, they will even do intense mental gymnastics just to avoid admitting a fault and even go as far to try and justify it.

You contribute to creating a monster so don't fucking cry when he fights back, i wish i could've done the same back in highschool.

IT quiet in here.

This will probably be deleted just like the 'I want to rape' posts. Why do you identify with a school shooter

Because like us he was rejected, ostracized and hated just for the way he looked. He just had the nuts to take revenge instead of LDARing his life away like us.

So murder is justified then?

I'm not justifying his actions. I'm just saying he had the stones to exact retribution. Is it just? No. But neither was the treatment he received.

You cannot condemn one while giving the other one a free pass just because the poor bastard was ugly.

Nobody gets a free pass, but i think MASS MURDER is not the same kind of abuse.

You are, in fact, partially justifying his actions. But it's not as if any measure of marginal justification is going to allow Cruz to escape life imprisonment without parole and/or the death penalty.

This is purely a rhetorical exercise, and these guys looking to catch you in "gotcha" tactics are doing a fairly terrible job. They want to take both the intellectual AND the moral high grounds, and can't be fucked to choose between the two - so they necessarily make mistakes in the process of solidifying their arguments.

It's inexcuseable but after years of bullying it should be expected.

inexcusable but should be expected.

Does not fucking compute. If its inexcusable than it goes beyond retribution and is not to be expected because its not revenge its evil

If that doesn't compute then you're just not very intelligent, sorry to break it to you man.

Many things are inexcusable but understandable/expectable.

Many things aren't expectable or understandable. Like a random dude walking into a school and shooting it up for no reason except sadistic pleasure. Cruz's situation is at least expectable to an extent. Human beings often seek justice and revenge. Brutally bullying someone can push certain people to a point of no return (suicide or murder spree).

So how is it understandable to kill a teacher because high schoolers bullied you? How is understandable to kill people who didnt bully you. Do you think all of the people dead deserved it for bullying or something? Many of them probably werent even related to it!

It's understandable that he would snap.

I didn't say they deserved it. I said that bullying led him to insanity.

Premeditated murder is insanity. Hope the jury doesnt buy it

You really don't understand the affect bullying can have on some people do you?

That 50's bullying when you used to get beaten up and physically humilated. Weak shit bro.

Those mean words. Fuck those mean words. Lets shoot up a school, kill innocent people, got away from the bullies but im gonna go back later and shoot them all. Remember as long as someone says a mean word to you, virgins on the internet will say it was sort of justified if you kill them all because you were "mentally ill". We should understand these pedophiles too, Soooo long without fulfilling their sexual urges, they didnt ask for them! His Mom used to be a prostitute, Mr, so don't act like you cant expect for your kid to get raped mr. When society doesnt fit to my rules, i understand killing people.

Tons of bullies, tons of being bullied, worse bullies, bullied who crippled people, they didnt go back and shoot up the fucking school.

He is not mentally healthy Mr, its someone elses fault that he raped little Billy, please understand that he even though he wanted to and fully understood his actions, he was bullied in high school, so I mean arent those high schoolers to blame too.

Fuck off. You incels are mentally ill too.

How does it feel to be this evil?

I tried to kill myself multiple times for being bullied, I thought about doing something like that, feeling revenge, but when it came to "Should i take another person's life?" I said no. It's not ever right. Not understandable, not fair, not at all justified, no sympathy for it, if you actually think about a fellow human being you immediately know it cant be done. It's not lapse in Judgement, you aren't expelled for no reason. You dont stop to think about murder after extensively planning it. You gonna tell me i wasnt mentally ill for one part but mentally ill for the other? I understand wanting to make everyone feel as helpless as I did. I don't understand killing people.

How does it feel thinking a murderer deserves any sympathy at all just because Norman made fun of you and Stacey wont fuck you?

Yeah, sure you were. I don't believe you for a moment you were bullied especially after that comment you made at the end there.

What makes you evil is your refusal to acknowledge that bullying can have different affects on people. For a small number it ends up destroying them as a person that they're so broken mentally that they go on to commit horrific atrocities like shooting up a school.

75% of school shootings is because of bullying. That shows just how serious of an issue it is. You don't care though you think everyone should react the same towards bullying as everyone else. Instead of wanting to help the bullying problem and potentially saving lives you choose to remain ignorant.

I asked a girl out and she said she knew I was gay. I asked another girl out and her friend rejected me in her place cuz she was afraid of me. I asked a girl out and she never spoke to me again. I asked a girl out and she never spoke to me again. I asked a girl out and she called me pathetic. I asked a girl out and she said I was a girl myself (Im not). I said hi to girls and they reported me for being creepy. I was called every name. They said I would shoot the school up. They made fun of how I looked, threatened to beat me up, stole my belongings to mock me for them, physically assaulted me in class, jumped me, told me that nobody cared about me.

In response to this I sometimes bullied others. I was not always innocent. I guess its only ok to sympathize and believe someone's pain if they go and murder high schoolers, otherwise they cant prove it or something.

In the end, it was normans bullying me and stacies rejecting me. None of that abuse made it understandable that I take a life. Im fucking sorry that you had a bully, Im really sorry that you believe in redpills. I am sorry that Stacey wont fuck you. No sympathy if you shoot them. None. You arent a fucking robot in a video game temporarily programmed to kill. You are a person who made the decision to kill another person, even when they didnt hurt you. You knew it was not healthy to want to kill.

It repulses me to my core that you think that bullied people have nothing to do with their actions. I guess bullies run on crowd mentality! They didnt realize what they were doing, you can blame them for going along with a few core students! They didnt consciously bully, they were under social influence!

Your argument is piss poor and disgusting. I sincerely hope that if you ever think its ok to take a life over bullying that you get help.

I really don't understand how you be can such a disgusting excuse of a human. How can you possibly deny that school shootings is a possible probability when it comes to bullying? I'll put it in words you can understand. Less bullying=less school shootings. You don't care though it seems likes you just want to continue bullying people and wanting no consequences for your actions.

Nice repeated argument. I dont want bullying. All im saying is that bullying is so not even close to school shooting that they cant be compared.

I wouldn't have to repeat an argument if you got it through your thick skull that if we stopped the bullying problem then school shootings wouldn't be much of an isue as it is now. People who are bullied shouldn't resort to shooting up a school but I am not going ignore or deny that being a possibility.

Why didn't they shoot up schools until the 90s?

What are you talking about there were school shootings before the 90s.

At this scale?

How is that relevant? If the rate of school shootings has increased it doesn't change the fact that bullying is still the underlying reason for most of them.

Really? Then bullying would also have increased then, right? They would correlate.

According to this, yes. https://students.com.miami.edu/netreporting/?page_id=1269

My link says its not so simple.

Statistics on Bullying and School Shooters - School Shooters .info PDFhttps://schoolshooters.info › default › files

He never was bullied seriously. Otherwise he would understand?

He was never bullied. Otherwise he would understand.

True, if he was bullied he would understand the horrible feelings like your drowning when it comes to bullying and how it can utterly break a person.

Does not fucking compute

It computes pretty clearly. If you break and torment someone for years on end, then you can expect there to be a certain likelihood that that someone will do things that society deems inexcusable.

HES NOT FUCKING INSANE! PRE MEDITATED MURDER

Being able to make premedidated decisions does not imply that you don't have a mental disorder.

So are all rapists and pedophiles. Do you understand them? understand isnt the same as sympathize, which is what we are talking about. Do you sympathize with him?

so what of he is insane? blame the people who pushed him to this limit. blame his upbringing. blame the school.

not everybody lives a happy-go-lucky life like yours, you know.

If you believe that discussing a murderer as a human being shaped by his circumstances instead of a comic book villain (who is paradoxically both inherently evil and simultaneously needs to be constantly punished for his evil) to be justifying murder, then yes, murder is justified.

On the other hand, I don't think treating people as people excuses murder. I also think that adoption of attitudes like yours does indeed promote violence and murder, but you are okay with that.

Why do you assume Im on the side of the student? I dont think its excusable, she says that its because he was malicious that they ostracized him, before the shooting. Bullying is not the same as mass murder.

Why do you assume Im on the side of the student?

Because you are, and it's only confirmed by how desperate you are to divorce yourself from that view now that it's moral bankruptcy has been demonstrated.

If he was unstable before the shooting is it bullying that they tried to keep their distance? That's sort of a normal and understandable response , if anything I'd say where they were wrong is not notifying someone in charge that they had a potential psychopath on school grounds. Maybe they did, I honestly haven't been paying a ton of attention to the story, I just know he was expelled so someone saw he was screwed in the head.

You dont expelled for no reason

Yeah that's kind of my point, either someone reported him or he did sometjing really screwed up. Someone tried to do the right thing, just stopped short of notifying the police once or twice

I dont think these victims are all great, i think in this video the girl is self serving, trying to make herself even more a victim, but defending murder? My god. You dont have to defend bullying to see that murder is not even equal.

I'm a little fucked up for saying this, probably very, but I'm so numb to news like this that it doesn't bother me anymore. I think the last time I was even slightly upset by news of a shooting was Sandy Hook and if memory serves there was very little thay hinted that would happen

Dont let the social conditioning get to you. If you feel bad for every tragedy your emotion becomes very thin. But if it comes into your life, and then it doesnt affect you, thats a cause for concern.

You dont have to feel for every tragedy especially when they try to use tragedy to convince you about politics.

My whole thoughts on mass shooters are that they are the new serial killers. Nobody ever fixed that problem, they suggested a lot of things and the reason it cant be fixed is because all I have to do is decide to give my life away. You cant take guns, because of our rights. If you did, the love is so much it wouldn't stop the problem.

Answering this question would be a violation of Reddit's terms of service.

HAHAHAHA

It was understandable. Justified, no. Killing people is despicable, and I would never say that it is good to do so. But it is understandable. Just like you and I, he is a human. He was heavily influenced by his surroundings. And his surroundings of brutal bullying, hatred, rejection, and ostracization heavily led him to his decision. You would have to be blind to not understand why he did what he did.

He didn't just decide one day that he thought it would be fun to kill people (like many psychopathic serial killers). He was gradually pushed to a breaking point over an entire lifetime.

maybe if it was someone you cared about that he did it to you wouldn't say you understand why he did it. Maybe if you werent even apart of the bullying you'd say no? Or else every teacher and rotc kid and everyone else was in on it

nah it's understandable because it's understandable. Understandable means it is capable of understanding why it happened.

It happened because he was bullied to a breaking point. He had a direct "revenge" response to this.

I didn't say I was happy for him or that the dead people deserved it in any way. You're just putting words in my mouth to try to make a point.

If you mean understandable in a way that doesnt mean anything I guess. He killed people who didnt bully him. He didnt pick out people. He also threatened to go BACK AFTER BEING KICKED OUT. NO MORE BULLIES YET HE RETURNED. God damn thats not bullied to insanity its revenge murder

I like how you think someone understanding how the situation unfolded means they condone literally every decision that the murder made and the death of innocent people.

He killed people who didnt bully him. He didnt pick out people.

In his eyes they were probably all the same, in the fact that no one spoke out for him.

He also threatened to go BACK AFTER BEING KICKED OUT. NO MORE BULLIES YET HE RETURNED.

Does a situation have to be happening currently in order for you to be resentful?

God damn thats not bullied to insanity its revenge murder

No shit.

Why is this femoid bald? Did it have breast cancer?

because it’s empowering

attention

She's does it to show that you can be as ugly as you want as a foid and still get validation simply for existing.

SJW feminazi uniform.

she had a britney spears style breakdown

lesbian SJW on steroids

When they bully you they want you to kill yourself. If you call their bluff they get mad like the pieces of shit that they are.

I hope she is bullied to suicide.

I hope not. I don't want this media mouthpiece to be turned into a martyr.

They don’t want to take responsibility for their actions.

typical women

Okay what the fuck, this is a deliberate misinterpretation of what she said. This and especially the comments are why people hate this sub

I haven't seen a full video. How was she taken out of context?

What she says is that her bullying of him is justified because he turned out to be an evil person. Any nuance above that is irrelevant.

What she says is that her bullying of him is justified because he turned out to be an evil person.

Which is shit logic. He became a "shit person" due to the way he was treated. You cannot bully people their entire lives during their adolescence and expect some of them to not lash out.

It's only shit logic if the question being asked is "How do we help misfits fit in?". That's not the question being asked here. The real question is "Misfits are evil and deserve to be abused. How many reasons why can we come up with?"

So it's not shit logic. It's perfect logic for a shit question. It's using a horrible tragedy to push further the acceptance of bullying and ostracism.

The US of SHIT public school system is essentially a factory to create mentally sick rampage killers and yet these retards can think of nothing but to blame an inanimate tool

an inanimate tool that was designed to make killing as efficient as possible..........

Yeah, the bullying etc. Causes these kids to be sick. that definitely needs to be addressed. but the SHOOTINGS - notice how there is "shoot" in the name, meaning fire from a "gun" - do not happen without free access to guns.

No other country in the world has this problem, yet they all have bullies too

a kid with good cardio and a very sharp machete and kill a lot of people too. all you need is one good swipe per person. Wouldn't take long to kill 20 people.

and it doesn't amtter, the fbi had over 40 different chances to get to this kid and ignored all the calls. This is the fault of the fbi

Yep, that's why there's so many mass-machete killings across the globe. Hear about it alllll the time.

Over the last 100 mass shootings, it's always been X Y Z's fault. But what's the one consistant thing in all of them?

The fucking gun.

all of

Your lucky numbers are: [7, 35, 14, 50, 50, 38]

i didn't say there was. I was saying a machete could be extreely deadly too. banning guns won't do shit. drugs are illegal, but why are they so easy to get? Banning guns is the same, they will still be easy to get.

that's what you dorks dont understand about the black market. you can get ANYTHING.

they are still possible to get, yes. I know people in the UK with them, but they are extremely rare.

But they generally sit hiding in someones bedroom 99.9% of the time because if you're caught walking around with one, your life is instantly over.

And in the case of school shootings, we do not have them. Guns arent glorified, people arent posing on fb holding their ARs all the time, they aren't just a casual part of day to day life, so kids dont have the idea to shoot up a school.

And the "losers" who are bullied enough to do something like this could never get their hands on a gun. It's not like walking up to some dodgy guy on the street hoping for some weed/coke.

If someones caught with drugs, they get it taken off them and thats the end of it (maybe they'll get a police caution or something).

If theres a gun, theres a huge investigation, police will divert all resources possible to sourcing the gun. So the kinds of people that sell guns do not walk round the streets offering them to kids for a small payout.

You have to have serious fucking connections to get your hands on one. So its really not the same as drugs. Take it from someone who actually lives in that environment.

it oesn't matter. fuck the uk, they let "asian" gangs rape little girls and don't do anything but arrest people for internet crimes. the uk is a huge joke.

Lol you're the second guy to say that. Funny that Americans still actually trust their news sources lmao, it's an absolute joke.

Literally nothing you're told is true

funny uk people try to deny they let their women get raped.

chang what subject? the fact that in a few years you people will be genocided won't be able to protect yourselves? I'll take guns if it means a few shootings, the % chance of getting killed in a mass shooting is a fraction of a %. Have fun getting genocided some day, you are heading towards it. once the muslims fully take over, your done for.

the women who are raped are silenced. You don't even know what's going on in your own country you coward.

Haha I'm literally laughing my ass off right now. Your country is a laughing stock across the world because of how ignorant you are, and you're probably the pinnacle of that. No wonder you're incel 😂

Now point tryna argue this. Obviously Fox news (the source who also claimed that Birmingham, the city I currently live in, was a no-whites allowed zone lmfao) knows a lot more about the UK than me

Ignore him, he’s an SJW libtard and doesn’t represent the majority of people in the UK. The rape gangs were reported in UK mainstream media and continue to be reported. He’s probably a muzzy himself, that’s why he pretends it never happened.

That’ll be why there’s been several courtcases and one ongoing major investigation into Muslim rape gangs, because literally nothing he said was true right? You nasty cunts who still pretend Rotherham, Rochdale etc never happened make me sick. The rape gangs were reported by all UK media including the BBC you stupid bastard.

Not saying they never existed. I remember reading them in the UK papers years ago.

Difference between a couple of Muslim gangs doing that spaced over several years and "hundreds of rape gangs running round the UK, but the police won't prosecute as it's deemed anti-islamic."

If it was in the BBC about them being arrested, where's this huge coverup you lot are all talking about?

Ok, child rapist

You actually see a lot of blade rampages in SE Asian countries.

"It doesn't happen in burgerland therefore it doesn't happen in real life"

The average amerimutt

That directed at me? The non-american guy hating on the US in this thread?

There's loads of mass-machete killings in places like africa, yes, but thats when entire squads of machete-wielding "soldiers" roll in and take out an entire village.

A single person and a knife/machete? Happened a handful of times before, because it's far harder to do and so much easier to stop than a gun

But what's the one consistant thing in all of them?

Americans.

Keep saying it’s the guns. Please keep crying about guns.

Once the guns go, the bombings will start. I’ve always said this. The Austin attacks are just adding to my prediction. The kids in my middle school would make pipe bombs over the summer. It’s not hard. And you know what? The death tolls will probably get even higher

Oh shit I didn't realise YOUVE always said that. I'm sold now.

Take away guns from kids and more people will die. Sound logic.

That's why in Europe with no gun access we have school bombings on a daily basis, I just wish we could have our damn ARs back so we could all be safe. 'Murrica

You and the majority of your country are fucking retarded. Bye 👋

Europe actually takes care of their people. America constantly neglects mental health services. That’s the difference, not guns.

Not that it matters anyway. You’re getting your fair share of bombings aren’t you

Ostracize =/ bullying you morons.

Ostracization is a part of bullying

ostracizing comes after bullying

America doesn't have a gun problem.

It has a bully problem.

School shootings are the manifestations of bullied and ostracized members. You cannot blame a teen for reacting violently when treated like absolute shit for his entire life. For many, the rage consumes them, and they seek revenge. For others, the sadness consumes them, and they commit suicide.

although I pretty much disagree with you, it would be different if he carefully targeted those who had been his specific tormentors. just killing anyone in sight is a whole different level of scumbag.

He likely just wanted to cause as much damage as he could, as a "fuck you" to everyone in the school. Many times, bully victims can have emotional responses. If he was bullied by many people, he could very easily believe that it's just the entire school system out to get him.

Of course he's a "scumbag" lol. He's a mass murderer. He will rot in prison for it. But it seems to me that he was molded into a "scumbag". Not born one.

At some level, I can understand why he chose to shoot indiscriminately (I do not condone it, let me make it clear).

When I was bullied, it wasn't the bullies that bothered me. Bad people exist. I understood that my entire life, and the existence of a handful of bad people wasn't particularly upsetting to me. It was the other kids. What hurt me wasn't the names the bully would call me, but the snickers and laughs of the bystanders. It was the fact that the entire high school social structure rewarded and incentivized the bully's actions. Hence the hatred you feel is generally towards all the other students.

Sounds awful man...that makes a lot of sense, and I probably never really thought of it that way. Sorry you had to go through that. I like to think that a lot of those people are generally good at heart, and they were just scared kids trying to fit in without considering the collateral damage...but it's still inexcusable, bullying as well as being a silent (snickering) bystander. I've been guilty of it myself, I'm sure.

how do you know wheter those 17 people were specific tormentors or not?

because of all the testimonies saying he was shooting indiscriminately

It can be both. Bullying exists in other countries that don't have as many guns, and this kind of thing never happens. Gun control would save lives whatever way you slice it.

Gun control would save lives whatever way you slice it.

"Words on paper will save me from the bad people!"

Not words on paper. Gun control. As in, every sick psycopath doesn't get his hands on a gun to kill an entire school with. Not the same as words on paper.

In the UK, we had one twisted guy come in and shoot up a school. We introduced strict gun control. in the 22 years since, no school shootings.

Wow. Shock. Words on paper protected us from the bad people

The law is only a protection when everyone agrees to be bound by it.

Do you think that would work in the US? How do you propose we go about implementing that?

Even if you ban the manufacturing and sale of certain guns how do you control the guns that are already out there? Gun round up?

Oh boy that would not be a welcomed thing let me tell ya.

Someone who wants to commit a crime will find a way to circumvent certain laws to do it.

But the UK has bigger problems. Shouldnt you be thinking of ways to stop the islamic rape gangs, or would that be too racist?

Nah honestly I think it would be much harder in the US than everywhere else. It would take a lot more than 5 minutes of a foreigner thinking about it then posting on Reddit, but clearly your current laws ain't working for ya.

And looool, Islamic rape gangs? Hear that on Fox News? The same sources that said how Birmingham is a no-whites allowed city? (From a white guy living in Birmingham, in a house of white people, on a street of white people, in an area of predominantly white people)

All news is biased, but fuck me the stuff they spout in America is 100% fabricated bullshit, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so damaging.

islamic rape gangs? there is no such thing as "islamic" rape lol

yea, because that works so well for drugs. they are very illegal, yet i can get them any time i want.

Hmm, small packet 1"x1" in size that fits in your boxers, doesn't set off any kind of detectors, and gets an extremely minimal punishment if caught.

Vs a big metal weapon, very hard to conceal properly for long periods of time, 10+ years in prison if just caught in possession.

I wonder why in every other country in the world, drugs are easy as fuck to buy and guns are extremely fucking rare

extremely rare? No, just no. They are fairly easy to get, more waiting time but still easy to get.

It's called barriers to entry and how they affect demand. Economics 101. Regulations are barriers to entry so they affect demand, a person that wants a gun but cannot get them legally would have to resort to illegal means which discourages them. Obviously it doesn't discourage everyone but most people are discouraged enough to not do it illegally.

Well it categorically has worked in the UK where, in my entire life, we've had one school shooting and enforced stricter regulation.

Unsurprisingly, and despite arguments against regulation that Americans are currently using, those regulations have worked.

SO what are you gonna do when your government turns its military on you?

Civilian firearms aren't going to do you a whole lot of good against a modern military - it'd just be a slaughter, completely asymmetric. Fantasies of brave freedom fighting civilians fighting their authoritarian government are simply that: fantasies.

Meanwhile, while gun toting American patriots are having their pathetic wet dream, kids are being shot in schools and losing their lives. That's a real consequence of an utterly retarded government stance of firearm regulation.

Civilian firearms aren't going to do you a whole lot of good against a modern military

Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq disagrees. And Afghanistan disagrees twice.

Do they disagree? In all of those cases, the insurgents were armed by outside forces, and armed with military grade equipment. In recent times, also, the allies easily managed to subdue the vast majority of insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's just really costly and unpopular, but do you think if the American government turned on its people with an iron fist that would be a drawback? It wouldn't.

American civilians aren't going to fight off tanks, jets, drones, and trained soldiers with their pistols and hunting rifles. They just aren't.

You can’t maintain a police state with jets and drones alone. You need police to do that. And if people are armed, the police will have a much harder time. In WW2, was it the Wehrmacht or the Waffen-SS that kept the Germans in line? Was it done by tanks? No, it was the Gestapo, and only they had guns. No one else.

That's maintaining control - if the state really wanted to size weapons then it wouldn't be sending police with batons, it'd send the military. Once it has control the issue of an armed populace becomes trivial.

Also, importantly, the Germans weren't kept in line by the threat of violence alone. Hitler was widely supported. In modern Russia political opponents to Putin are killed, elections tampered with, and the law unequally enforced to punish dissent. Could an armed populace rise up against that? Maybe - but the issue is that people don't want to in large enough numbers, irrespective of whether or not they have guns. It's now becoming slowly more and more impossible to resist.

Resistance takes place in the realm of democracy. Fail there and the rest doesn't really matter.

Civilian firearms aren't going to do you a whole lot of good against a modern military - it'd just be a slaughter, completely asymmetric. Fantasies of brave freedom fighting civilians fighting their authoritarian government are simply that: fantasies.

So you'd rather live down on your knees, under a Tyrannical government you perceive to be unstoppable. Good on you. Some of us would rather die fighting to maintain freedom than live oppressed.

And as far as it being an unequal fight why dont you study the Vietnam war. Ask the Viet cong how they felt about being outmatched and out gunned.

Instead, you have car ram attacks and knife attacks. So much better.

Actually, yeah it is so much better. Knife attacks especially are far less deadly, and we still have fewer violent attacks than the US does. Car ram attacks are also preventable with the proper use of barriers and checkpoints - many of which have already been installed in public places around the UK. There are some near me.

Not only do we have less violence but, thanks to restricted access to lethal weaponry, the violence we have is more limited and fewer people die. How is that possibly a bad thing by any metric?

The thing you're fighting against here is the simple fact that the US has a problem that we do not. You can try to rationalise it in all sorts of ways, but until you drop this retarded hardon for guns you're gonna have people dying that didn't need to.

Number of people who died in terrorist attacks in 2017 in the UK: 41 Number of people who died in school shootings in 2017 in the US: 15

How is that thing with less people dying?

I mean, that's a completely disingenuous comparison. School shootings compared to terrorist attacks? What about all other mass shootings in the US?

535 people died, and many more were injured, in mass shootings in the US in 2017. Overall homicide is higher, gun crime is higher, violent crime is higher, on average in the US compared to the UK. It's not even comparable.

There are 138 times more killings with guns per million people in the US, compared to the UK. 138 times higher. That's absolutely ridiculous. 4 times more homicides in general.

Comparing gun deaths in the US and the UK is also disingenious, since guns are banned in the UK. If you want to see a larger picture, compare the murder rate. That’s about 4.6 in the US, and about 0.9 in the UK. That is also an abstraction, since the composition of the population is very different in those 2 countries. Still, the US is a more dangerous place than the UK if you look at that statistic.

So let’s say that the difference is caused by gun laws. But there is another country that has a very high gun ownership rate, Switzerland. Even semi-automatics are not banned there, and it has a lower murder rate than the UK. Why is that?

Just to clarify, I’m not from the US, I’m from a country where you have zero chance of getting a gun to defend yourself, because of strict post-communist laws.

people act like guns is the way only to kill. it's easy to rig home made bombs, use a machete and give everyone one quick slash, you could kill 20 people fast if you work on your cardio for a month beforehand.

and it doesn't matter, drugs are illegal, how hard is it to obtain drugs? Tons of people that have guns have them illegally already. That cruz kid could've got a gun illegally regardless. Plus the fbi is at fault, they had ovr 40 calls about this kid and they did NOTHING. they could've stopped this, and to top it off, the coward police did NOTHING and just sat at outsides ARMED like cowards.

The other day, and of fucking course it wasn't on mainstream media, this happens more than people think. An armed school officer stopped a shooter before he could shoot anyone.

did you hear about that? Nope, it doesn't fit the agena, they WANT to take our guns. They want us defenceless. Theey have a sick agenda, people act like there is no way this can happen. but its happened already a few times in the past 150 years and it can happen again.

the chance of dying in a school shooting is so smalll, ihink you have a much better chance of getting struck by lightning.

The fact is s that other countries rarely if ever have mass shootings, but they're at least an annual occurrence in the US. Other countries have lower crime and gun violence rates and strictly regulate guns because, despite your arguments, it works in the real world.

Having easy access to guns is not as safe as restricting access. The occasion where a 'good guy with a gun' prevents a massacre is rare enough that it doesn't ofset the increased risk that comes with civilian access to firearms.

In the UK most police aren't even armed FFS. They don't have to be. And we still manage to have less violent crime than the US.

this doesn't fit with the las vegas shooter situation though. he wasn't bullied or incel, in fact, he had a girlfriend and was wealthy and retired.

School shootings are the manifestations of bullied and ostracized members. You cannot blame a teen for reacting violently when treated like absolute shit for his entire life.

Yes you can. I was bullied relentlessly and never wanted to kill anyone. Tons of people are abused in absolutely horrible ways and never murder anyone. I'm not saying bullying isn't a big problem but it doesn't mean you can shoot people blame free.

damn, nothing like a 18 second sound bite taken out of context. Her next works could have been. "we tried but he didn't' want help". But, I'm to lazy to got check.

How is this taken out of context? Nothing she could have said before or after would have denied that fact that she admitted to bullying him and "ostracizing him." Fucking IT man

behold the example I gave

"he didn't want help so we kept bullying him and OH HE SHOT UP THE SCHOOL HOW COULD HAVE ANYONE KNOWN." Fuck off

its more like "he didn't want help so we told the administration"

ostracize [os-truh-sahyz]

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See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com verb (used with object), ostracized, ostracizing. 1. to exclude, by general consent, from society, friendship, conversation, privileges, etc.: His friends ostracized him after his father's arrest. 2. to banish (a person) from his or her native country; expatriate. 3. (in ancient Greece) to banish (a citizen) temporarily by popular vote.

so they bullied him and then went to administration to get him suspended. seems like very nice people :)

Maybe he was a piece of shit and nobody wanting to associate with him was perfectly natural

"Gold recalled seeing Cruz as a kid attempt to join other kids riding their bicycles in the neighborhood, but the kids brushed him off and called him names." "He would come home from school angry or depressed. “He would come over after school and was visibly upset about being teased, but he pretended that he really didn’t care,” Gold said."Alvarez, 17, said he remembers Cruz being teased in 10th grade

"Other kids at the school would mock Cruz for being a loner."

“Someone could have approached a faculty member, a guidance counselor, a teacher and said, ‘This kid gets bullied a lot, someone should do something,’ ” said student Manolo Alvarez, 17, who had history class with Cruz. “I regret definitely not saying anything.” http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html#storylink=cpy

so they bullied him and then went to administration to get him suspended. seems like very nice people

Behold, the twisting of words.

If a kid doesn't want to part of "society, friendship conversation, privileges" then you don't really have a choice but to ostracize him.

And, if you look at more than 18 seconds of the speech, you'll see that they reported him because he was mentally disturbed, and beyond their capacity to help.

Ostracizing is kind of what leads to this kind of thing. If just one person reached out to him it could have been prevented. Plus her trying to justify bullying makes her a disgusting monster. Not nearly as much as the shooter but still.

no...he rejected people tyring to reach out to him. We were just over this.

I'm going to call bullshit how do you know he rejected people reaching out to him?

It was said about 5/10 seconds after the end of this clip

No it wasnt lol she just said there were people saying they shouldnt have ostracized him

From what I remember there was something about "trying to reach out" or "trying to help" but he didnt want it.

She could be chatting shit to make it look better idk.

Bullying is fucked, shootings are 10x more fucked. Just glad I dont live in that country

“Someone could have approached a faculty member, a guidance counselor, a teacher and said, ‘This kid gets bullied a lot, someone should do something,’ ” said student Manolo Alvarez, 17, who had history class with Cruz. “I regret definitely not saying anything.”

"Gold recalled seeing Cruz as a kid attempt to join other kids riding their bicycles in the neighborhood, but the kids brushed him off and called him names." He would come home from school angry or depressed. “He would come over after school and was visibly upset about being teased, but he pretended that he really didn’t care,” Gold said. Alvarez, 17, said he remembers Cruz being teased in 10th grade

"Other kids at the school would mock Cruz for being a loner."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html#storylink=cpy

outside of what this girl is talking about. If we're criticizing her, then according to her speech cruz rejected help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxD3o-9H1lY&t=486s (5:40)

where did she say he rejected help? All i hear is justification for the fact that they bullied him

Don't bother. We're the enemy to them. Theyll justify anything.

you don't really have a choice but to ostracize him

"Look what you made me do!"

Unbelievable. They literally hate us and want us dead.

nah, to be fair this bitch is out of control

they love their little bit of fame. you see that picture of the four laughing and smiling as their getting their picture taken. They weren't even in the same building as these guys. They don't give give a shit about the ones who died, they probably barely knew them. THey are using their classmates death to get a bit of fame. They are disgusting ugly animals.I can't belive a gross head shaved dyke is bullying people.

Is your flair a placebo reference?

placebo? How?

To be fair, he literally hated them and killed them?

way to stick up for bullys. you do realize every person has his breakng point. Add to that big pharma pushes anti depressants on everyone possible. They had me on it for 6 months and i slit my wirsts pretty deep and went to sleep. not deep enough, i was still alive when i woke up. I promptly got off them.

those things are dangerous

Reminder: Advocating for, defending, or glorifying mass shootings are strictly forbidden on this sub.

nobody is advocating anything. pointing out that there are reasons things happen is different from advocating anything.

People are glorifying and defending, which are the two things I listed other than advocating.

Where? I honestly came into this thread expecting a trainwreck on the incel side, but people are mostly being pretty decent about it.

I deleted them.

It has been mostly civil, but I just wanted to stop any violent content before it got out of hand.

If you actually cared you’d take it down

Stfu retard

Piss off

It's not against the rules and it is a perfectly valid thing to discuss, so I have no idea why you think I should take it down.

he did a good job tho

“He wanted a girlfriend so bad,” Kimberly Snead said, “and I said, ‘Girls are trouble, stay away from them. It’s not worth it right now. You focus on getting yourself doing something in life.’ ”

source: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-nikolas-cruz-life-20180220-story.html

So much wrong there:

One day before her 49th birthday, Lynda Cruz’s adopted son was born, on Sept. 24, 1998.

1. Freaking 49. She was 49 years old and her gigantic ego decided that she wanted a baby. The husband was 61, effectively making the baby an early orphan.

He was “a momma’s boy,” said the family friend. “She was his best friend.”

Ugh.

A few months later, she told deputies he had thrown her against the wall because she took away his Xbox gaming system. A year later, she told deputies Nikolas, then 15, had punched the wall after she took away his Xbox.

Don´t take his damn Xbox.

It didn’t work out for Cruz to remain at Westglades Middle School in Coral Springs. Records show he left during eighth grade for Cross Creek School in Pompano Beach, which offers a program for emotionally and behaviorally disabled children.

And he wanted to go back to the "normie" school. Right. Dude was deluded to heaven.

“Nikolas benefits from verbal praise and positive reinforcements.”

One or two girlfriends and this guy would not had shoot anybody.

First, he was suspended for fighting. Then, just before his 18th birthday in September, a peer counselor told Deputy Peterson that Cruz might have tried to kill himself by ingesting gasoline, and said he wanted to buy a gun. Five days later, Cruz was reported to the state for cutting his arms on Snapchat, the mobile app.

“Mr. Cruz has fresh cuts on both his arms. Mr. Cruz stated he plans to go out and buy a gun. It is unknown what he is buying the gun for,” the DCF report reads

Oh Murica. Shooting people Murica, that´s what guns are for.

he bought the AR-15

Oh no.

He already had eight guns, she said, kept at a friend’s house. And he had a “plate carrier” — a bulletproof vest — she said.

Bye bye world.

being born to a 49 year old woman = autism guaranteed.

brutal Kimberly pill

Damn son, thought the gun debate was over. States with the most guns have the moat gun deaths. Same stats for countries aswell.

Was the kid bullied, probably so. Did the kid have a mental issue, absolutely. All the more reason he shouldnt have a gun. No gun no shooting to happen.

Bullying in school is a problem but cant be helped. Kids are pure genetic instinct and that instinct tells us to ostracize those who aren’t in our tribe. Only after society teaches kids different so kids act accordingly as they become adults. Bullying happens, the only way to stop toxic tribalism is either personal inspection on those doing the bullying or more toxic tribalism (beat their ass). Personally when i was young i found a savage ass whooping to be the most effective with longer lasting results.

the fbi had dozens of chances to get this kid help and failed. it seems you haven't researched this subject enough. This was purely the fbi's fault. I think they had over 40 calls on this kid and they did NOTHING.

Look it all would have been avoided if we had a mental check for a rifle or gun in general. What was the fbi suppose to do about an edgy teenager who likes guns in Florida. Thats like every teenager in the south. I dont expect the fbi to sit down and talk to every call with that description. Background checks and mental health exams are the way to go and simpliest way to prevent these things.

they wanted the shooting to happen to fuck with gun laws.

i agree. david hogg is fucking liar. he wasn't even there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37zoQLgqEy0

Im dissapoined this has so many downvotes. Why do people value their gun nut hobby over common sense smh.

Bro its like they think the government is gonna take away their life. They wont even support suspected isis members from getting assault rifles with ease. Like WHAT!? The one right isis members share with law abiding americans is the right to own a gun. Lol its funny how the same ppl dont want muslims in the country but for fake sake if could be a member of isis give them a gun.

I agree, everyone over here in the UK thinks american guns laws are completely stupid. America is a laughing stock when it comes to guns. (ok school shootings are getting more abundant, how should we deal with this?... I KNOW lets give the teachers guns!! because more guns solve everything!!!)

Same stats for countries aswell.

Actually a lie. The US is an outlier.

When you are an outlier you are wither doing something very well or very wrong. The US is an outlier cause we have the most ammount of guns owned and the most gun deaths in the world. We are off the charts literally countries with civil wars have a hard time beating us. Which makes what i said true.

No you fucking idiot, that's not what outlier means. Go read a book.

In very simple terms, there is very little correlation between homicides and firearm ownership. The US is an exception wildly different from others, but countries with more guns do not tend to have more homicides than countries with fewer guns.

Of course if you cherry-pick your data points you can have the statistics show whatever you want, but that goes both ways.

Yes man an outlier is an extreme data point in a series of points. Thats paraphrased but you go read the definition and post it if im wrong. Remember we are talking about statistics.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/charts-foreign-gun-companies-laws-nra/

The only country that comes close is one riddled with cartels. No cherry picking at all just stats.

There is no correlation, that's why the US is an outlier. If it is an outlier then by definition it doesn't follow the general trend, that's what it means. Look at the goddamn chart in the article you posted. One country has few guns and the most murders, another has the most guns and not as many murders, and all others have few murders and varying amounts of guns.

The only country that comes close is one riddled with cartels.

It doesn't come close, it far surpasses the US. And has the second smallest amount of guns in the data set.

Brazil has the smallest guns, good glad u now know what an outlier is. Brazil is an outlier due to the amount of drug cartels and violence, civil unrest etc. now when it come to stabilized countries america has more guns and more gun deaths by far. But there is no correlation? Please explain to me how this forrest could be best scene without the trees.

But there is no correlation?

No, there is no correlation in the data set. Go read about what correlation is.

Please explain to me how this forrest could be best scene without the trees.

There is no forest. There is one tree. The US is the only data point that supports your claim, and there is at least one other data point that does not. You chose to ignore it because... it has violence, but with that kind of cherry-picking I could also exclude the US because guns don't affect the homicide rate in any other country.

So america having the most guns and the most gun deaths in stabalized countries has nothing to do with each other.

Again brazil has a reason for high gun deaths....cartel violence. Its not cherry picking its reason. Cartel literally run government and they fight each other. Cartels literally give people jobs to kill.

That makes them an outlier for that reason.

No other 1st world country has the problems we have or near the ammount of gun violence or gun deaths suicide included. No correlation with gun ownership?

How can the US be considered a "stabilized" country if there is so much violence than in other first world countries?

No correlation with gun ownership?

No, no correlation, that's not how statistics work. You don't know what correlation means in this context if you can't understand that. For your own good go read a book. This isn't advanced stuff. When a country's education system allows people like you to reach adulthood without understanding the most basic concepts in statistics, it is a strong argument to not call it a developed country.

If you include all developed countries in your data set, the correlation is very small, because despite the US having this correlation in one way, all other countries don't.

The US is a stabilized country because we have laws and order. We dont have mini civil wars and cartels running towns and cities. We have a unified ruling governent in short.

Second i majored in math. I have taken several 3k lvl stats class. I have even done my own research on gun violence from state to state. Its the exact same relationship. Gun violence compared to gun ownership for countries there is a stark correlation.

Correlation: relation existing between phenomena or things or between mathematical or statistical variables which tend to vary, be associated, or occur together in a way not expected on the basis of chance alone

If you look at the chart, more gun ownership more violence. Its simple the bars are colored and easy to read.

https://qz.com/437015/mapped-the-us-states-with-the-most-gun-owners-and-most-gun-deaths/

Not my study but i had similar results. States with high ownership had high deaths. Thats a correlation. If you read that and say there isn’t one then you are being willfully ignorant.

Next you gonna tell me obesity and heart attacks don’t correlate. You need to read less and use your brain. Numbers arent hard and very easy to check.

The US is a stabilized country because we have laws and order.

Many people in safer countries would probably not consider the US to have decent law and order by both its general violence and its police brutality.

There are no "mini civil wars" in Brazil.

Second i majored in math.

That's university-level education, yes? Fuck, it really is an undeveloped country.

I have even done my own research on gun violence from state to state. Its the exact same relationship.

No it's not. The relationship is "no relationship for most countries, only for one". Unless you mean that there is one state with lots of guns and homicides, and other states have no correlation between guns and violence.

Countries with no Americans can have more guns, but that doesn't seem to cause an increase in homicides. Only the country with most Americans has more homicides than other "stabilized" countries. It also happens to be the country with most guns, but while the amount of guns does not seem to influence homicides in other countries, the amount of Americans does. A linear function of amount of Americans is a better predictor for homicide rate than gun ownership.

Gun violence compared to gun ownership for countries there is a stark correlation.

There literally is not. Unless you Americans use "correlation" in an entirely different way, but you're the first person I talk to who seems to be. So let's forget the word "correlation".

THE US IS THE ONLY COUNTRY FOR WHICH YOU CAN PICK A SMALL DATA SET AND FIND THAT A HIGHER AMOUNT OF GUNS TENDS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGHER AMOUNT OF HOMICIDES.

IF YOU ACTUALLY COMPARE HOMICIDE RATE AND GUN OWNERSHIP FOR ALL "STABILIZED" COUNTRIES, YOU WILL FIND THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THEIR AMOUNTS. WHILE THE US IS ONE COUNTRY, YOU WILL HAVE 10 TO 30 COUNTRIES DEPENDING ON WHAT "STABILIZED" COUNTRIES YOU CHOOSE, WHERE THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP. WHEN CONSIDERING THE DATA SET AS A WHOLE, THERE WILL BE NO RELATIONSHIP.

To summarize you argument and my point that you made. “THE US IS THE ONLY COUNTRY FOR WHICH YOU CAN PICK A SMALL DATA SET AND FIND THAT A HIGHER AMOUNT OF GUNS TENDS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGHER AMOUNT OF HOMICIDES.

Because at the very start of all this i said, we have no background checks. We should have background checks. When you have a country like the US that lets crazy people, and even suspected and actual terrorists have guns(gun ownership) then they will do crazy things, suicide, homicide (gun violence in general). Which is why AGAIN there is a correlation.

TLDR; when you let everyone including crazy and violent people have a gun, some of them will do crazy shit. I dont know how this is debatable. Background checks.....

Despite police brutality and some other problems we are stablized. #1 economy in the world and everyone trades in the US dollar so no question. Dont see oil being traded in Rios.

Ah, so rules are different for the US, despite being much worse than the proper developed world, because it has a lot of money. Whatever is necessary to make your point.

What the fuck is a Rios?

Because at the very start of all this i said, we have no background checks.

No, shut the fuck up. Make up any theories you like, don't go claiming they are backed by statistics.

Which is why AGAIN there is a correlation.

AGAIN, you're not using that word in the way people use it. The correlation only exists in a cherry-picked data set, with the US and one or two or three countries. Add more countries, by whatever subjective criterion, and the correlation goes away, there simply aren't many data points to cherry-pick, because this only holds true for the US.

To say that there is a correlation between gun ownership and homicide rate when comparing countries is a lie, even if you limit it to "stablized" countries.

TLDR; when you let everyone including crazy and violent people have a gun, some of them will do crazy shit. I dont know how this is debatable. Background checks.....

What I am "debating" is your lie that statistics of country-level gun ownership support this. They do not, unless you close your eyes, not look at the statistics, and spout your conclusion anyway.

Let me wrap this up. https://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check/

More facts there and they say it outloud in #2. Im done, you are being willfully ignorant at this point.

• A recent study looking at 30 years of homicide data found that for every one percent increase in a state’s gun ownership rate, there is a nearly one percent increase in its firearm homicide rate.

• Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as safe-storage requirements or assault-weapons bans.

You literally refuse to distinguish between a thing that is true (between US states) and one that is false (between countries). I don't care if you're being willfully ignorant or if you're just a product of American education, any literate person that sees this discussion will understand why you are wrong and that's enough for me.

Its the same trend for countries to. Go look it up and prove me wrong. Been linking facts u have linked nothing. Please let it be credible.

You linked a total of zero (0) facts that show the same trends for countries. Indeed you linked one that showed the opposite trend, even after removing one country you don't like.

I think its all america too, at least in Australia - im the weird type of kid, and have been in roughly 5 schools my whole life (parents work) but have never been so far as bullied. Bullying just seems like such an alien thing for me, as I've never actually seen anyone being verbally or physically bullied in my life, or been bullied myself despite being a really stereotypically weird person. Could I ask for input from other countries in europe etc. to their experiences in this situation? Or would this be a more American concentrated problem?

Bullying happens in Australia. Quite a lot from my experience. But if you're the quiet kind of weird they don't tend to go after you so much.

Hmm lucky me then, It still just feels so alien that people do things like that to eachother and never have the empathy to understand how the other party would feel. Maybe I've simply been lucky having classmates always being good lads :/. Thanks for your input

Yeah, I don't get why people like to bully. The worst I've seen were college girls picking on primary kids on the bus. They're all just cowards really. Hence why they only do it in groups.

You live a happy life as a good looking person and are oblivious to it.

I live in Chadstralia and I have been bullied by Normans and foids, I hate the latter particularly.

I've noticed a pattern in america that a lot of the kids that get heavily bullied in grade school were identified as having adhd or autism as very young kids and then heavily medicated which affected their mood. With their personality stifled, they had less success making friends and were natural targets for bullies due to their inability to handle the bullying.

The few times that people tried to call me names I aggressively and sarcastically shot it down. The aggressiveness shows that you're not an easy target but the sarcastic component shows that you're in control of the situation. My friend, on the other hand, who had been on behavioral medication his whole life reacted to the name calling by completely ignoring it which made the bullies 'smell blood' metaphorically. Then when they finally pushed him too far he would snap which the bullies likely viewed as a prize. Then they'd all get sent to the principal's office which would trigger a new doctor's appointment by the victim's parents since the medication clearly wasn't working.

I'm curious what the child behavioral medication situation is like in australia to see if that really is the cause. Sometimes the best medicine is letting a kid be himself even if he's not perfect and could be made better by big pharma.

Saw a lot of bullying in northern Germany. Got bullied so hard that I had to defend myself. Then I became a bully and THEN the girls were suddenly interested in me.

u don't have guns

Mostly a Murican thing. The US is obsessed with status, their high schools are created around sports, the rich kids, etc. They have rotating classrooms for each student, so you don´t develop close relationships with a specific VARIED group of people like in... all the other countries (one classroom, ONE group for three or five years).

Result: grouping according to status.

but have never been so far as bullied

I've been to two schools in Sydney, Australia and have been bullied relentlessly at both of them to the point of attempted suicide. Either you got really lucky or i got unlucky.

jesus.

psycho fame-seeking shaved head feminist on the mic. now thats a tragedy.

i seriously don't blame this guy for shooting up the school. same as elliot rodger.

their life experiences and mental state shaped them to be those types of people.

most people judge the killer based on his action, but disregard what made them do these actions in the first place. which is wrong, and meaningless. they won't solve problems in the future.

Anybody is a killer, all you gotta do is push them to their limits.

Reminder: Advocating for, defending, or glorifying mass shootings are strictly forbidden on this sub.

i seriously don't blame this guy for shooting up the school. - defending

no. am just using common sense. don't expect someone who grew up in a fucked up life to be normal.

and since when did i defend violence? i said people need to mention these facts, so there could be some kind of a solution for these kind of problems.

insted of blaming the person. look at his history, and try to figure out the coloration...so kids don't have to go through these kinds of things.

i care about people, you know.

strictly forbidden

STRICTLY

damn sensitive people. can't even deal with reality.

its gun nuts who are the sensitive ones. As soon as a negative comment is made about guns they rage.

Who mentioned guns other than you? Whos the sensitive nut here?

The fucking kneejerk reactions from these clowns are unreal.

He could have done literally anything else.

like?

Simple things:

Go to a good spot, relax and think about it all a while longer.

Just not go to school. It's an option. If it's that bad, just don't go. Nobody is going to drag you there, and even if they do, you can just leave when they're gone.

More complex:

Take out a load of credit cards, in your name in other people's, whatever. Use cards to buy passport and plane tickets to Thailand. Use money from cards to buy all the debauchery your mind could ever desire. You're gonna die at the end of the original plan, what's the consequences from this one compared to that?

Make something of your life. Triple down on the effort to get out. Succeed more than the idiots that make your life hell. And when you're out? None of that shit will ever matter again.

Not recommended, But still better:

Physically assault your tormentors. Nobody's stronger than you when you've smashed their leg with a crowbar when they're not expecting it. Don't kill them, hurt them like they've hurt you. Don't cripple them either that's not what they've done to you, they've just hurt you a lot. Legal consequences? Well you'll be dead anyway in the other plan. This is definitely not recommended, and following this plan will have legal consequences.

I've used the reference you here but it's only because it was easier to write, I'm not implying you're going to shoot up a school so if it reads like that my apologies.

Very good points.

I'm sure they'll mostly fall on deaf ears, though. A lot of the people here have a deep victim complex, as well as a persecution complex.

You don't understand. This kid lost his biological AND adoptive parents. His entire situation in life was entirely out of his control and he had no choice but to partake in the system he was forced into. There was no adult to guide him, no adult to be a role model, that he can look up to to help him navigate through these troubled waters.

The system purposely bullied and ostracized him. In HIS PERSPECTIVE, it's as if his entire existence was made so that he can be stepped on and mocked for the amusement of others. Now tell me, if you had lived the life that he did, would you not want to take revenge on the system? A system that you rightfully owe nothing to? You can advocate for these other methods as much as you want but you are only able to do so because you had the mentorship in your life that allows you to think rationally. Cruz had nothing. And men with nothing to lose are the most dangerous of all.

ok, but you see, people are different. his state of mind is not normal. just like saying to someone who commited suicide should've tried different options.

maybe, in his earlier life before he was pushed to this limit, he could've listened to reason.

that's why most of the mass shootings are caused by people who had a shitty childhood, and no support.

and am sure, if the school and his classmates were better than what they were, then that shooting might not have happend.

is this guy serious? cant believe this dude would act like he was in the right for bullying

its a girl tho :^ )

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I hate it when they make a show out of tragedy

A see a bunch of fakecels and normies wanting to disarm us.

"muh guns"

There is something wrong with the food and the water in the United States. Better to be Forever Alone in a country of babes (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc etc etc) where people don´t breed with their sisters or cousins.

It's an understatement that you have an extremely limited view of the united states.

She's right, we don't know the guy so we can't really say anything.

Friendly reminder this bald headed feminist who bullies mentally ill children (good personality!) can easily get laid by any chad she wants

It's like she purposefully tries to make herself look as ugly as possible and somehow still has a much higher chance to find someone.

she probably fucks stacy

Uhhh no bro

That is wrong. Shes fugly

he missed one

I’ve lost all faith in humanity because her type of thinking is what led to all the wars and violence in society. Nobody deserves to be ostracized.

1. Its not courage to shoot people who have no guns.

2. One is quantifiably worse than the other

3. I'm banned from IT for making fun of a hypocritical fat roastie

What she says is that her bullying of him is justified because he turned out to be an evil person.

Which is shit logic. He became a "shit person" due to the way he was treated. You cannot bully people their entire lives during their adolescence and expect some of them to not lash out.

How is this taken out of context? Nothing she could have said before or after would have denied that fact that she admitted to bullying him and "ostracizing him." Fucking IT man

It's done a lot, actually, relative to primitive cultures wherein murder over perceived grievances was considered acceptable.

Is your flair a placebo reference?

Yep, that's why there's so many mass-machete killings across the globe. Hear about it alllll the time.

Over the last 100 mass shootings, it's always been X Y Z's fault. But what's the one consistant thing in all of them?

The fucking gun.