dating as a low SMV male. My story.
31 2018-03-23 by Ruggero88
I'm 29 and I'm in online dating since 2004. I'm short and bald since 19 . I've faced the worst kind of rejections. in 14 years my success rate is 0%. Even landwhales want tall chads in this age. Usually girls blocked me on facebook and other social networks, but the brutal part was when in 2009 I've started studyng PUA. I've done at least ten of thousand cold approaches, results? 0% close, 80 number close who were flake and stop. sorry for the bad english.
I'm also a virgin. I'm 5'8 I was brainwashed by PUA. They claim my man boobs was not a problem.
137 comments
1 ItWillBeOverSoonLol 2018-03-23
In other news, water is wet.
1 Mest666 2018-03-23
no, check El Bo on youtube
1 Ruggero88 2018-03-23
he has hair. I have his couse, short guy game.
1 ItWillBeOverSoonLol 2018-03-23
PUA is about 0.00000% real. The girls are $30 actresses.
1 __vs__ 2018-03-23
if I agree with incels on one thing it's that PUA is bullshit
1 militantcel43 2018-03-23
welcome home broski, beers are in the fridge, incelistan is on the horizon
1 rippedrichascended 2018-03-23
[incelistan is here my friend](https://incel.co/r/incels]
1 militantcel43 2018-03-23
you got an exodus game plan?
1 rippedrichascended 2018-03-23
Yes. I have the plan but I'm trying to figure out how to get it to all the incels. I can PM you what I've got so far, but I may just make it into a post on incel.co.
1 militantcel43 2018-03-23
I sent you a pm, but yeah, I'll keep a look out in the homeland
1 rippedrichascended 2018-03-23
Responded.
1 PM_ME_UR_FAV_QUOTE_ 2018-03-23
how the fuck did you get the site to mirror reddit's look? Is it a template from somewhere?
1 rippedrichascended 2018-03-23
Reddit's code is open source.
1 PM_ME_UR_FAV_QUOTE_ 2018-03-23
huh, didn't know that. Neat.
1 Mest666 2018-03-23
You just motivated me to do more approaches, I just did about ~150 with ~5% number rate, so mby it's not totally over, all girls were very pretty too. Ty, bro
1 ItWillBeOverSoonLol 2018-03-23
fucking banderas
1 whackcel 2018-03-23
Gotta lose the weight. Its hard when u b depressed
1 everythingagainstme 2018-03-23
Mogs me
1 IWISHIWASCHAD 2018-03-23
it's over
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-23
It never began.
1 ItWillBeOverSoonLol 2018-03-23
JFL you were fat too? With that level of self awareness/intelligenceit’s honestly over.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-23
Gynocel or fatcel? I'm a gynocel so I can understand the pain of having to live with moobs that you cannot get rid of without getting expensive surgery. It's fucking hell. If you are a fatcel though you need to lose weight.
1 MGTOWAcolyte 2018-03-23
You have a lot of interesting post history. You have undergone a lot of self improvement but still seen no results after thousands of attempts. It’s hard for me to believe you haven’t just been trolling trp and other similar subs. Can we perhaps please see a photo of you and then we can let you know if it’s really over and how you can proceed from there? You can crop out your eyes.
1 CompleteLoser69 2018-03-23
ur probably weird. if u cant fuck a landwhale its def cuz ur weird idc how gross u look anyone can bag a landwhale if there normal and can socialize
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
wrong.
1 CompleteLoser69 2018-03-23
dude anyone can bag a landwhale idc how ugly u are u guys are ridiculous man. and ur incel wtf do u know?
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
I've been rejected by landwhales over 400 lbs despite being fit.
1 CompleteLoser69 2018-03-23
damn u must really be ugly as shit then idk man thats unheard of ur truly an incel
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
thanks
1 CompleteLoser69 2018-03-23
can u post what u look like the forum needs to see this cuz i dont believe it...
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
https://imgur.com/cpOoFmn
1 DABBED0UT 2018-03-23
Try atleast 500lbs
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Dumbass.
1 Subhumanvoice 2018-03-23
Dude you're fine. Far better than me bro
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Im a 26 yo virgin
1 Subhumanvoice 2018-03-23
Mentalcel. Are you autistic?
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
No.
1 Subhumanvoice 2018-03-23
Then how the fuck are you still a virgin? How many women have you asked out?
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Over 100
1 CompleteLoser69 2018-03-23
look completely normal idk whats up
1 Alamarms2012 2018-03-23
Wow. You’re actually really good looking. I’d say you just need a bit more confidence and to find someone with similar interests. Go to community events where people are and learn to read body language; it’ll be great.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Moron.
1 Alamarms2012 2018-03-23
Nah, you’re objectively good looking. When you self-defeat and say that you’re not going to achieve something, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and makes your prospects worse. Rejection happens; it’s common, actually. It’s a combination of timing, charisma/personality, and a bit of luck. Throwing in the towel just because it’s been harder doesn’t mean that it’s impossible.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Im 26. Idiot. Blocked
1 PeripheryLens 2018-03-23
Too good looking to be an incel unless you are very autistic or have near zero social interaction/skill.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Cope
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
The only cope is not realizing Normans like you are getting laid.
JFL volcel, there are real incels here.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Im 2/10
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
Guess it depends how you define your scale. But I saw a pic of you. If you're 2/10, then 1/10 Normans still get laid and the rest of us here are 0.5/10.
You mog all of us bro.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Every guy who has posted here is a 4. Im a 2. Learn how to evaluate lower 3rds and eye areas.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
Most of us don't post because we're too ugly and don't want to get doxxed. You are way hotter than me, it's not even close. Your photo is ropefuel for the rest of us.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
I didnt say you had to post a pic. But my eye area is in the bottom 1 percent. Jaw in the bottom 20s. Only good thing I have is nose, which is simply average. If you look worse than me, condolences.
1 Fullwit 2018-03-23
No dude, you are genuinely good looking, 6-7/10 minimum. Ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? If you tell yourself you look like an inbred, you're going to act in such a way that people will treat you like you do.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
6/10 according to who? Another man? You dont know what turns on women facially.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
It all comes down to how you define your scale. If you use numbers in cm and we use numbers in inches, the numbers won't line up. The point is you are way more attractive than most incels. More attractive than half the non-virgin Normans!
Your face may have some bad features, no Chad face, but guys without Chad face are still getting laid before age 20. It's cope if you think your looksmatch males aren't getting laid.
If you're 2/10, we're 0.1/10. You don't realize how much uglier truecels are. Look at blackops2cel.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Clearly you are not blackpilled if you think a weak jaw with a weird eye area doesnt mean game over.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
It's relative. You have bad genes, but still much hotter than most truecels. Our genes are even worse.
Guys with your level of looks ARE getting laid. Look around IRL at all the genetic impurities walking around. It's cope if you tell yourself they're all 25 year old virgins like you.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Guys on my level are beta bux if they are lucky
1 methaferus 2018-03-23
You're hot. I'm straight and i'd suck your dick.
1 CptErection23 2018-03-23
In a straight way of course.
1 methaferus 2018-03-23
Yes yes in a straight way sweats
1 Fullwit 2018-03-23
When you say rejected, what do you mean? Like, what are you being rejected- sex, or a chance to date? Or sex after a long time dating?
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Everything
1 PM_ME_TENDIE_STORIES 2018-03-23
Definitely a mentalcel. You look fine. Try Tinder or some app where your good looks will get you farther.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Zero matches in 6 months moron.
1 PM_ME_TENDIE_STORIES 2018-03-23
Ik its a meme, but its actually your personality lol.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
Moron.
1 PM_ME_TENDIE_STORIES 2018-03-23
Enjoy being a personalitycel for life.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
You are dumb as shit
1 Supreme_Salt_Lord 2018-03-23
Dude u look COMPLETELY NORMAL. I would say i might look weirder and i get woman. Your execution must be wrong man. You can get 5 easy from looks alone.
1 PermanentRotter1 2018-03-23
This is avg https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1462/24943660362_5a6cd67da1.jpg
Learn to rate
1 Supreme_Salt_Lord 2018-03-23
That is not avg wtf. You guys standards are fucked. Some serious body dysmorphia going on here. That dude is above avg
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
Why the fuck do you think guys are on this sub?
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
No. You'd be surprised.
Landwhales have gotten very picky because drunk hot guys will swipe them on Tinder when they're desperate to get laid. They'll keep her as a "backup" date if all else fails, or they'll swipe her by accident when they're swiping right on everyone for efficiency. She's low value to them, but they'll still swipe her. And because we live in an age of entitlement and too much self esteem, those matches make the landwhale think she deserves guys that hot, and she starts rejecting all the guys in her league.
Then she gets ghosted or used by those good looking guys when they're desperate, then discarded, and she goes online and complains about fuckbois and body shaming.
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-03-23
PUA is such a stupid cope. I am sorry you were brainwashed into it.
Welcome home brother.
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-23
Same height and same balding at that age... Is your face really messed up? You autistic? Fat? Something is up bro. What do you think your issue is? I could see balding, maybe if you have a weirdly shaped head. But that height isn't that bad. I'm a norman with those same traits. Those two don't mean it's over. If you're fat you're going to hardly get anything.
1 DankIncel 2018-03-23
If you are a sub5, looksmax and then approach women.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
People don't tend to block for no reason. I'd be very interested in seeing what you actually said to them.
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
We don't tolerate victim blaming in this subreddit. Take your bigotry back to IncelTears.
1 Fullwit 2018-03-23
Is this real?
1 Demod_Board_Gaming 2018-03-23
Reality is subjective. Pain is objective. You're a cuck, and your name is probably mangina Jack.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
Lol. If its the way he's talking to him, he is very much to blame and not a victim.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/braincels/comments/86dml4/_/dw4fdvv
👺
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
I am, I just don't see the point in wasting my time on those of you truly committed to being shitty people.
1 Involuntarily 2018-03-23
What have I done besides point out your hypocrisy?
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-23
😂😂😂 Maximum kek
1 opsecincels 2018-03-23
LOOOOOOOOOOL
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
The double standard is real. It's a shame our cucked mods allow you IT trolls to stick around.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
That is a false equivalence I'm not prepared to entertain.
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
It's not at all. The only reason you're "not prepared to entertain" is because you have no argument.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
Because there is no argument. False Equivalence.
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
Lol you coping by saying it's 'false equivalence' because you know you're full of shit. It's not false equivalence in any way
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
I can't fix how your brain processes logic mate.
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
"I have no argument so I'm going attack you directly"
That's called an ad hominem, mate.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
I'm not attacking you.
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
This is a direct attack against me and it is not an argument. Ad hominems are typically used by people who have no basis for their arguments, so they will resort to personal attacks as a form of retaliation. If you make an argument for why something is a false equilavency, then that can be considered a real argument. But what you said it just a nasty personal attack.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-23
Its not an attack. You just seem to have serious issues processing logic correctly, and I'm really not the right person to fix that. Maybe start out learning some basic algebra and then move on to set theory before you bake your noodle trying to figure out where you done fucked up.
1 Ahquilleores 2018-03-23
It's hilarious that you say that I can't process logic correctly when you can't even process how what you did was an ad hominem. And you did it again 😂 This is hilarious.
1 not_good_looking 2018-03-23
Lol shit, you are dumb.
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
Bro, can you even think?
1 NotASIMP 2018-03-23
i bet you are a pua/social interaction genius, but the issues is your exterior "personality" doesnt look good enough for girls.
1 TheMubarak1 2018-03-23
5'8 isn't short wtf are you talking about
1 LeavingHumanityBehin 2018-03-23
it is. under 6 ft = short
1 ScHoolboy_Stu 2018-03-23
I find some incels on here toxic and intolerable, but with most I feel bad for your issues and want to just understand what's going on, so here it goes:
Not saying anything about your face, personality etc, or telling you you're wrong. Not blaming you for anything, just trying to figure this out.
You've been "genuinely" trying to get laid for 14 years, and still have man boobs? Again, I haven't seen your face, some people are very unfortunate in that department. But if you happen to have a 2/10 face, why havent you worked on getting a >2/10 body?
If a girl is fat with an ugly face, shes ugly. If a girl is fit with an ugly face, she still has a good body. Shell still get lots of attention from guys.
If a guys ugly with an ugly body, hes ugly and pretty hopeless. If a guys ugly with a good body (no man boobs, visible muscles etc-dont need a rippling 6-pack), hell be able to get some attention from girls (despite what most guys on here say) - just obviously nowhere near as much as someone with a 10/10 face.
1 __vs__ 2018-03-23
Prime example is my fellas at uni; most of them don't have the best looking faces in the world but still get some pussy/dick because they aren't packaged in ugly bodies
1 Jcart105 2018-03-23
This is going under the presumption that women and men judge the opposite sex equally as far as suitable partners, that's just not true. Hypergamy is why even an ugly and/or fat bitch will still find a man, but why 60 percent of men will end up dying without reproducing.
1 ScHoolboy_Stu 2018-03-23
A) hypergamy isn't a rule. Lots of women marry up, some marry equally, some marry down. But when your entire mindset about women comes from this sub, rather than actually experiencing them in the real world, then it's easy to brainwash yourself into thinking that. Yeah it's easier for an ugly girl to get laid cos so many guys just want to get their dick wet, but I see guys do it then talk shit about her and how ugly she was the next day. Never seen girls do that with a guy
B) height is part of it. Muscles are part of it. Face is part of it. Bf is part of it. You can control 2/4 of those things. Short, ugly face, no muscle, man boobs = incel. Short, ugly face, muscles, no moobs = someone who can get laid sometimes. Just like my fuck ugly, 5'5 rugby player mate who I've never known to be single for more than a few months, since he's hench as fuck and low bf.
1 inoewrnwern3423 2018-03-23
exactly.. Tired of these loser incels who have fully given up before even attempting to try, and crying/complaining here, bringing everyone else down.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-23
Homeboy, I feel you. But at the end of the day, we are men.
Change your diet.
Change your lifestyle.
Do it for you. Not for the bitches.
Because we are men.
We are conquerors. Why are you happy being conquered by mediocrity and the opinions of women?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-23
Best advice ever. The game is rigged. Don’t play it.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-23
I didn’t say don’t play.
I said conquer!!
Be despotic. Tyrannical.
I’ve been callin this girl a bitch and flipping her off. She loves it. Then again, you can see my jawline.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-23
i said conquer!
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-23
Conquering means knowing which battle you can win, and which you can’t.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-23
It also means you get up off your ass, stop bitching and worrying about shit you can’t change, and work to do what you CAN!
I swear I feel like I’m an in-house drill sergeant.
1 __vs__ 2018-03-23
If the game is unfair, do not try to play fair
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-23
You can’t play unfairly. That’s the privilege of the most attractive people.
1 Jcart105 2018-03-23
So is rape okay?
1 __vs__ 2018-03-23
How on earth did you come to that conclusion
1 finnanut27 2018-03-23
You are essentially telling him to disregard the only thing that would give him masculinity other than possessing a phallus
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-23
I am telling him to disregard his current situation.
And I am telling him to aim to take his masculinity with his own hands. I am telling him to work for it.
Some are born men. Others are made. Carve your image out of the slab of marble in front of you. And take what is yours.
We don’t wait for women, government, or anybody else.
This is the sickness of our age. We didn’t have fathers or men to look up to, so we created spaces like this sub, to cope and lick our wounds.
Believe me, I know what you’re feeling. But I can’t stand this...cooking in our own misery!
1 finnanut27 2018-03-23
I'm not an incel or even close read this if you want my opinion on the matter https://imgur.com/a/Beota
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-23
That is self limiting. I’m not a new age dweeb. But there is more to life than the 5 senses and their pleasures.
1 finnanut27 2018-03-23
Like I said in the post in order for a man to think this he must be unloved by Mother Nature judging by your previous comments that is the case
1 inoewrnwern3423 2018-03-23
True masculinity right here.
1 IncelistanWillRise 2018-03-23
This dude has tried literally everything and yet you still see normies giving their shitty advice in this thread. JFL at normoids
1 __vs__ 2018-03-23
Dating in general only works for people who are satisfied with themselves. I won't give advice on how to be satisfied with yourself because that topic is extremely complex and provides too many statements that will likely be taken out of context.
Now please downvote me
1 Jcart105 2018-03-23
PUA works under the assumption that you can get past the prerequisite requirements of having the minimum amount of SMV/LMS needed. Of course, if your SMV is high enough, you really don't need game.
1 __vs__ 2018-03-23
What is an LMS; also then try to increase your "SMV"
1 happy_escortcel 2018-03-23
It can take while to come to the conclusion that women simply aren't interested in you sexually or romantically. But once you get over it, everything becomes much smoother. I no longer question my own personality, "confidence" (???), or how appealing I will be to females. I no longer lose time talking with girls hoping to start something that never starts in the end. I am more in peace with myself that way. Escorts provide me with the sex that I need and they give me no headaches and confusion unlike other women.
By the time you're 20, if you've had little to no success with women, be sure that the only women you'll get later on will be women who want to get a chunk of your monthly earnings and whose SMV has deteriorated to the point where they can't get chad's blesses cock.
It's hard to shallow, but it's the truth
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-03-23
I wish i could go back and slap the shit out of 16 year old blue pill in denial me and tell him that. I'd be further ahead in life and have saved myself a mental breakdown at 23 if i had accepted that then. I was 28 by the time i finally did.
1 commander_zoidberg 2018-03-23
You're a little younger than me. Our lives are similar, only difference is i'm 6'0. I went through all sorts of phases. I was much more red pilled when i was 14 because i couldn't escape women's true nature. You just see it multiple times a day in highschool. I was a complete outcast by the time i finished year 11. I'm surprised i left highschool without a criminal record.
Then i left highschool. Became more bluepilled and went into denial. Failed miserably with women for another 2+ years. Got on the PUA bandwagon at 18. Tried PUA for years. Did loads of approaches, went out trying to pull women at bars and stuff. Spent what money i had on nice clothes. Pursued women PUA failed on with more bluepill methods. Met my oneitis and spent years in the friendzone. Gave up on PUA. Had a mental breakdown and then became red pilled. Made a foray into online dating for the 3rd time and sent out thousands of messages from multiple accounts on each site using different methodology. No dates. A few half ass replies and a girl who ghosted after a week. The closest I've been is watching pizza and Netflix with my 4/10 oneitis. She wouldn't even let me put my arm around her. Then she totally rejected me. I flew to another country to meet a girl off the internet too. That was total rejection within an hour or two of meeting. Then i started becoming black pilled after several more failures where women exploited me for stuff but then refused my romantic advances. Finally told my oneitis she was a whore because she used to complain about her BF non stop. Been totally black pill for 18 months now.
I don't even particularly feel emotions anymore unless its anger, rage and hatred.
PUA is arse cancer.
My end result? Nothing. The game is a waste. Youngcels don't bother playing. Its over.
1 wearedrowning 2018-03-23
Women are too entitled and are incredibly shallow as a group. It's like men are shoes to them today, if they don't feel you can help them show up their friends then they can't want you.
1 wearedrowning 2018-03-23
Something I want to know, I'm genuinely curious: you went bald early. I've been hearing that too much masturbation causes or speeds up male pattern baldness. Did you masturbate a lot in your teens?
1 Ruggero88 2018-03-23
yes but a normal level I guess
1 wearedrowning 2018-03-23
Normal like a cpl times a week? Or normal as in almost every day?
1 Sadguy213 2018-03-23
WhAt counts as a lot?
1 wearedrowning 2018-03-23
Idk that's a good question lol. I guess more than 2 times a week?
1 Sadguy213 2018-03-23
Crappie.
1 Sadguy213 2018-03-23
Crap
1 rippedrichascended 2018-03-23
[incelistan is here my friend](https://incel.co/r/incels]
1 rippedrichascended 2018-03-23
Reddit's code is open source.
1 finnanut27 2018-03-23
I'm not an incel or even close read this if you want my opinion on the matter https://imgur.com/a/Beota
1 finnanut27 2018-03-23
Like I said in the post in order for a man to think this he must be unloved by Mother Nature judging by your previous comments that is the case
1 PhucCheet 2018-03-23
It's relative. You have bad genes, but still much hotter than most truecels. Our genes are even worse.
Guys with your level of looks ARE getting laid. Look around IRL at all the genetic impurities walking around. It's cope if you tell yourself they're all 25 year old virgins like you.
1 inoewrnwern3423 2018-03-23
True masculinity right here.