Not all. Some find bullying disgusting. Reminder that no study beyond semantics, cover 100% of women. There are also guys who like to bully because it helps them cope with their own issues.
We don't know that because you don't actually have any evidence that declares 100% of women actually agree with this. Sweeping generalizations is just bad. Every person is unique.
if women liked bullies then all the normies here would be swimming in it but they mix it up with too much white knighting which is beta behavior. They want chad bullies only.
"Blah blah blah not all", "blah blah blah every person is unique" are all very convenient rebuttals of sweeping issues out of the rug. Women do partially contribute to toxic-masculinity when they do reward bullies and bad people with sex. Maybe it's not the bullying aspect that these women get off at but rather the power and status that comes with it, no matter how immoral or reprehensible it is.
It's also the truth. Generalizations can be used against any group you are apart of to paint you in a bad light despite you not conforming to said generalizations.
Black pill is a chasity belt invented by men who got one too many wedgies in high school. Sorry but you're looking for statistics that don't exist. I know you want to blame women for all your problems but grow some balls and be a man for once. Take some responsibility.
Take responsibility for....what? Let me guess....not showering enough, being creepy, having a terrible personality, or something equally as stupid as those, right? Very original right there.....
Congratulations, you correctly guessed that we were bullied because of our looks, was that supposed to be an insult or something? It is something that is BLATANTLY obvious and talked about here. You must be very proud to have the ability to repeat something that is mentioned a lot, I know a lot of you helmet wearing window lickers have a hard time structuring a sentence together. Want to attempt to insult me or do whatever you were trying to do more effectively? Use a LITTLE more thought than that.
For being undesirable to the women who have rejected you? All I'm asking for is a bit of self-reflection. In all my time here I've never once heard an incel even acknowledge that accepting responsibility is even possible. I had some guy tell me it was a myth earlier.
That is quite possibly one of the most unattractive things I've seen here. The utter denial, the shoulder-deep head in the sand. Every problem every incel I've encountered attributes it to women. Women denying them, women having it easier than them, women sleeping around with 'Chad'. Never once have I ever seen an incel ever admit that maybe something about them was maybe off-putting.
The blame is always shifted. "It's genetics!", "It's Stacy!" "It's Chad!" "My jawline sucks" "This other depressed, mentally ill incel mogs me."
There's no need to insult anyone here really. It's all been said thousands of times over because for any normal person, all of your issues are beyond obvious. That's why you always hear the same stuff. It's painfully obvious to any reasonably adjusted person why incels fail at establishing meaningful relationships.
But you will all insult each other for us. That's the funniest part. You'll share pictures, be rated extremely low by your peers, have the doomsayers claim it's all over. One guy just might barely escape this hellhole and he'll be chastised by the incels claiming he was a 'normie' or a 'fakecel'.
It's really pathetic. At some point you guys got to grow some balls, man up and look inwards. Take control of your life. That level of self-love, that desire to be better, the confidence to treat yourself better, that is what women really find attractive. Beyond the physical attraction of 'Chad', if your personality is utter trash, if you can't even be bothered to care about yourself, why would you expect anyone else to?
Self-fulfilling prophecy, victim-complex, unable to take responsibility, self-loathing, entitled, naive. I've only met maybe... 5 incels on this subreddit who don't fall into all of these categories.
How do you even accept responsibility for being born with shit genes, lmao? Well, the rope is an option, but somehow you normie idiots don't like when we talk about that either.
Face it, you lot have been shitting on us throughout our lives and when we finally have a space to talk and commiserate with eachother, then you come here, mock us, shit up the place and try to get it banned anyway. Just get the fuck out.
So all of your issues with women and relationships with them are because of genetics? There is absolutely no other reason? That's the most basic incel argument on this entire sub-reddit. "It's not my fault I'm a virgin! I was just born with bad genetics! I swear! It's not my fault! I did nothing wrong!"
Also you're projecting a whole bunch. I don't care if this sub-reddit gets banned. In fact I'd rather it not because this place is really funny at times (sometimes sad, but usually funny).
So all of your issues with women and relationships with them are because of genetics? There is absolutely no other reason?
One of my first memories in life is of kindergarten and girls making fun of me for being weaker than many girls and ugly. Eventually I begged my mother to remove from there. I was 5 or 6 years old.
Throughout school, I was made fun of for liking books and computers, for my height, for my face, for being from a poor family (had to get food aid for school lunch, the list is public on the Internet), for being weaker than other boys, for my voice, told to kill myself and so the fuck on.
I really don't know why I trusted my teachers and parents so much that it would get better in university and didn't kill myself back then. But of course you can't even imagine that life, what with the highest horse you ride in on.
I don't usually do this but... eh. Since you don't seen so bad I'll indulge. My first memory in Kindergarten was drawing a curtain at the end of the day with this kid. I asked him out of the blue if he wanted to be my friend and he told me no. Said he didn't like me. I was pretty shocked, as I was led to believe friends weren't difficult to make.
From the second year of Kindergarten to the 1st grade, I was a bully. I picked on that kid who rejected me. Eventually I met a kid who had it really bad. Parents divorced recently, new to the country didn't speak english and we became friends. Really good friends. We were good for each other. I still fondly recall our time together.
Now I'll be honest, I wasn't made fun of in school, not too much anyways. I think everyone gets a bit at least. I was discriminated because of my skin color a few times but after snapping, the girl proceeded to leave me alone for the rest of our time together.
I wasn't rich growing up either, but I was charming enough. Bit of a class clown but mostly just a nice kid. Positive I'd say. I made friends easily and being quite honest, I cruised through elementary school.
Middle school was a bit messy as I dated someone in the 6th grade and had a messy (as messy as middle schoolers can get) breakup which ended with all of my "friends" save for a few leaving me to hang out with the popular boy who dumped me. They bullied me so much in middle school that my "friends" got disgusted and turned it all around for me.
High school was okay. I wasn't popular but I wasn't bullied either. Standard stuff, no complaints. So sure I might have had it better than you. But I didn't give up, I didn't grow up to hate an entire sex. I was objective, as much as I could be about why I was bullied when I was. "Was it my skin color? Was I an asshole? Did I piss off some popular kid? Was some girl jealous of my boyfriend? Was the bully just a jerk?" I never once just brushed it off as it never being my fault and settled with that.
That's not how you grow. That's how you hide and remain a child.
Isn't this the place where subhuman generalize the female populace to cope with their rejections? I think they also blame all their problems in life on their genetics, thereby absolving them of anger responsibility? Pretty sure I'm just the right place...
Lol yeah the one place you can feel superior since you so ducking far down on the normie totem pole you've browsed Reddit enough to discover this sub. Any normie trolling this sub is bottom of the fucking barrel mogged daily loser trying to convince themselves otherwise by calling virgins virgins on the internet. JFL at your cope
You are either alone in bed coping with your loneliness or laying next to your partner boring her with your phone while she dreams of chad cock or BBC. Lol you don't even know how over it is
Whoa simmer down. You don't use your smartphone before bed? So weird.
So how come incels always got to bring up Chad cock or BBC? You jealous of Stacy of something? Hate Chad so you fell in love? What do you call a male roastie?
Sounds like you've all been incels for so long you're turning into homosexuals. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some incels jealous of Stacy for getting Chad at this point.
What's wrong with being gay? Your normie friends won't like you insulting people by insinuating they're gay on the internet, better run back to cuck tears before word gets out you're a gay hater.
Nothing is wrong with being gay. It's not an insult, it's an observation. I think incels have built up a wall around themselves so high that they're actually becoming gay. They hate women more and more and idolize Chad more and more.
I never said they don't. Sympathy can be passed around, but when the "misogynist" is incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions, unable to even entertain the thought that their actions are their own that they chose to do and have consequences, you'll find that sympathy runs out rather quickly.
Variety of reasons. Some bullies grow out of it and come to regret it later in life. Some girls are into bullies or ignorant of the fact that person bullied.
The bullied do get laid at times too. I was bullied in middle school and I got laid just fine in high school. It's not always black and white. There are a lot of circumstances and situations and personalities involved.
Pfft, fuck off, bullies win throughout life and those that got bullied fail, the world isn't fucking fair, quit the bullshit. You don't even have to like him, by all means, hate him for being an incel, but don't trip with this just-world bullshit.
Your ignorance is amazing. Have you ever met a bully years later? I have. A lot of them grow out of it and even feel bad for what they did.
Their quality of life varies as does the bullied. Passive, extremely beta men, like incels, tend to become hateful, spiteful men who never truly got over their hurt, a petulant teenager with even less emotional maturity.
Other victims get over it, at least enough to be successful both in finances and with their love life.
The trope of a bullied victim being forever alone because muh genetics is just not always true.
I've seen short as hell bullies victimize taller boys before. Bullies don't always seem victims out of height, though it does help. Passive, quiet, weak victims are what they look for most of all. Genetics aren't why you were bullied. The fact that you didn't stand up for yourself is why you were bullied.
You think I should give a fuck if they feel bad? Fuckin lol. If I fuckin killed a dude and felt bad about it later, it doesn't make a difference because the nigga's still fuckin dead! Juts because bullies feel bad after they've gained their life of success from grinding others down, doesn't excuse their actions.
Their quality of---fuckin lol, fuck you. Their quality of life varies? "Beta" men can't get over their hurt feelings? Well excuse the fuck out of me, I apologize that I didn't just get over the severe depression and anxiety I gained from being isolated and bullied for a decent portion of my young life. Man, it's kinda funny how people that dealt with abuse just don't get over it, right. Yeah, they ought to just get over it, fucking fags. Fuck you, man, how the fuck do you expect the same from people that had their self worth grinded into the dirt as you do the ones that gained power from grinding away at them? You're a fucking prick, just like most self-righteous assholes.
And, I'm not a fucking incel, so I don't resort to genetics as a reason, in fact, I think I'm rather handsome, yet I was bullied and isolated from a young age.
No, genetics weren't why I was bullied. Selfish pricks like you were. That mock kids that are afraid to fight back. That empower bullies by cheering them on, or turning a blind eye, or implicitly giving them support in their on campus endeavors well aware of what they really were. Or even better, you were a bully yourself, you certainly espouse the philosophy of a former asshole trying to rationalize his or her actions. Actually, I'll assume you were a bully, so fuck you. You assholes try to pretend you're so much better than incels, but really, you're just another shade of shit.
Oh good you're surprisingly not blaming genetics. That's really good. Good on you man. Projecting a bit too hard though . I was a bully in like the 1st grade and worked through it by the 2nd.
Glad you're actually realizing that bullying was on your control.
It wasn't exactly in my control, actually. I was bullied from the time I was 4 years old, and my bullies were all kids older than me, I wasn't in control of the situation. Plus, I started school as a sheltered kid with no siblings. My experiences from starting school left the underlying groundwork for the self-loathing that would fuel my depression when I began facing the social isolation I experienced in the 5th grade (which continued until 8th grade, and then was with me from freshman year until now). I don't even know why my life got ruined the way it did, don't know what exactly made me the target, but, I was given the one thing that would allow me to ruin the rest of my life when I was very young. You got to be a bully early, I was a bully too, from 2nd until 4th grade I think. It was a weird situation, my best friends were simultaneously my worst enemies, so we had shifting alliances, constantly fought for dominance. Yeah, even now my fond memories of my childhood friends are mixed with a vengeful desire to settle old scores. I've always hated school. I'm glad my family wasn't fucked up.
That sucks. Schools really don't handle bullies well at all. You basically have to get suspended fighting back to even have a chance of stopping it early. It's really sad.
My bullies were actually different. I've never feared a physical fight, I mean, I didn't until I got mugged three on one...but anyway as a kid I didn't fear fights and I'd fight if pushed, no, my bullies were all mental, and that was something I couldn't take. I don't know why, maybe it was my parents divorce, maybe I was just sensitive, but mental attacks I couldn't fucking handle when I was younger, they destroyed me, and they gave me severe self image issues. It's sort of like how the Emperor planted a bunch of traps in Anakin's mind to make him finally snap one day, my experiences when I was younger gave me the temperament of someone to get severe depression and become suicidal in the face of severe social isolation and, admittedly, severe heartache. My loneliness, disappointment, and constant suicidal depression when I was a teenager eventually broke my spirit by the time I was 19, when I lost most of my suicidal urges and real ability to be disappointed and emerged a broken, cynical 20 year old man whose to dejected and beat down to bother trying much anymore. My depression ain't even being alone anymore, it's realising that I could've changed all this in the past, but now I'm stuck here, hating my past self for being such a fool, and my current self for being so pathetic. Ya know, I think Vader is my favorite character because I can really relate.
There is still hope. You can't change the past but if you learn from it and apply it to your present, you can have a great future. Stay strong man. I believe in you.
Bullies are rewarded with sex. If women made it clear that they despised bullies and wouldn't date them, high school bullying (at least male-on-male high school bullying) would end permanently.
It would also end if bullies recognized their actions were wrong, and stopped doing it. Putting the onus on girls to police boys by managing sexual incentives is fucked up beyond belief.
The people who do the bad thing are the people we should be focused on. Why are you so eager to let bullies off the hook? Are you really that desperate for something to shit on women about?
Yes, of course. But people already know bullies are bad, generally speaking. Hence that’s not a particularly interesting or insightful point. Incentivizing and rewarding criminality is as heinous as criminality itself.
"Girls could police behaviour by witholding sex" isnt exactly interesting or insightful either. It's such a tires trope that there's even an ancient Greek play about it.
Far more likely: you're going out of your way to frame every ill as women's fault, because you don't really care about the issue, just about blaming girls. I.e. the same reason I had argue this morning with someone saying high school girls are to blame for school shootings because there'd be no frustrated boys if they could only fuck on demand. That guy conveniently didn't mention the shooters when he said who "had blood in their hands."
Why would I not care about the issue? Most incels are victims of bullying. We have a culture which refuses to hold women accountable for their decisions. We point that out. The rest of Reddit blames men for everything; we counterract that.
It isn't an oversight to focus on the perpetrators when assigning blame. There's no need to be the other side of that particular coin.
If you were honestly just looking to drill down into the phenomenon of bullying, why aren't you bringing up parents who don't control their children? Teachers and schools who don't effectively enforce anti-bullying policies? Male friends of bullies who laugh and go along with it? How children learn to become bullies in the first place (which has nothing to do with infant girls)?
Your absurdly selective focus on girls gives you away. It's crystal clear that you're just digging around for things to blame on women, because you don't like women. Not because you care about this issue.
It isn't an oversight to focus on the perpetrators when assigning blame
Absolutely it is. When you befriend or have cordial relationships (let alone sexual relationships) with cruel men, you are implicitly aiding them. You are sending them a message that it is okay to be as they are. You are rewarding them for their cruelty.
If you were honestly just looking to drill down into the phenomenon of bullying, why aren't you bringing up parents who don't control their children? Teachers and schools who don't effectively enforce anti-bullying policies? Male friends of bullies who laugh and go along with it? How children learn to become bullies in the first place (which has nothing to do with infant girls)?
Whataboutism.
Your absurdly selective focus on girls gives you away. It's crystal clear that you're just digging around for things to blame on women, because you don't like women. Not because you care about this issue.
It's because this conversation is about women, you idiot. This entire subreddit is, at some level, about sexual dynamics and gender relations. Of course we're going to talk about them.
Not in this case. If you're claiming to be interested in unspoken or overlooked factors, you need an answer for why you're ignoring most of them.
Look, if you want to talk about women's roles in larger issues, go ahead. But that's different than reframing entire problems as problems of women's design, which is what these threads are trying to do. It's underhanded, disingenuous, and has zero credibility.
Or, just shit all over women explicitly, without trying to disguise it as honest inquiry.
young males mostly bully to aquire the alpha spot. they bully weaker kids to assert dominance and it has nothing to do with sex, considering bullying starts before puberty.
Gender segregated schools have more vicious bullying than co-ed schools.
Most teenagers don't actually have sex, they just lie about it.
Children aren't having sex.
Girls bully boys and boys bully girls.
older highschool girls will fawn over younger boys that were bullied. "poor thing, hes so cute, let me take care of you."
Most middle-highschool aged girls could give a shit about the social interactions of same aged boys. They think the older ones are hot and mature amd the younger ones are cute and sweet. They are far more concerend with their own bullies/Bullying/social standing than their male classmates.
again, girls get bullied just as much as boys, thinking otherwise is just sticking your head in the dirt.
Pretty silly comparison. Pretty girls in high school are directly involved in and a part of the in the high school social structure, and their actions and decisions vis-a-vis bullies and their victims has direct consequences. The Russian military isn't (and I don't think international law allows the Russian military to intervene here, for that matter).
Good you agree that they are not obligated. Now address the point that their inaction is not logical evidence that they tacitly approve of bullying. That's a not a reasonable conclusion just as it's not with the many entities that have the ability to help but do not.
It is tacit approval if they are dating the bully. By "approval", they needn't actively support it to urge the boyfriend to do it. It is sufficient to describe their perception of the bullying as constituting "approval" if they continue to view their bully boyfriend in a positive light despite the bullying, which is implicitly obvious in light of the fact that they continue to date him.
what a self centered view of things that doesn't align with reality. The girl's relationship with her bf is entirely independent of your dealings with her bf. Do you think mcdonald's also tacitly approves of bullying because it doesn't refuse to serve the bully?
We can logically assume it is pro bullying by inaction? No. A reasonable person would say mcdonald's doesn't view its dealings with the bully as having anything to do with your dealings with him.
Legally, and yes morally these are two distinct relationships that have nothing to do with each other and therefore one has no implications regarding the other.
The girl's relationship with her bf is entirely independent of your dealings with her bf.
No, it isn't. The girlfriend's relationship with her boyfriend signals to society that she views her boyfriend in a positive and uniquely exceptional light, given that she has selected him as her lover. Her apathy towards the boyfriend's bullying signals that she is either actively condones the bullying herself, or at least tacitly condones by not allowing his egregious actions to affect her perception of him, the bully.
Serving a customer at McDonalds makes no judgement on the character of that customer. Your interaction with the customer ends after he pays; it is his money you are after. Choosing to befriend or fall in love with a particular individual does entail you either explicitly or implicitly making a judgement on the character of that individual.
A better comparison is a normal white guy going out for a beer with a neo-Nazi skinhead. The fact that you've chosen to befriend a neo-Nazi means that you tacitly approve of his views, or at the very least the fact that he holds those views are insufficient to deter you from going out for a beer with him. This is tacit approval and normalization of egregious behaviour. Needless to say, if both the Nazi and his otherwise normal "friend" get beat up by a black man at the bar, I wouldn't be particularly upset.
You must be a contortionist with such tortured logic. The root issue you have is you view the bully as a one dimensional cardboard caricature. All he is to you, is a bully. So you view anyone who has a relationship with that bully, let's not use mcdonalds as an analogy, let's use his mother - as therefore evil and corrupted and unethical. So a girlfriend, a mother, can all be impugned because they have a relationship with that individual?
That's a very childish and black and white way to view the world. The truth is the bully is a person, complicated as people are, and not a cardboard caricature on a 23 minute tv show. That's why girlfriends and mothers can all has a relationship with this person without also being in the wrong, or sharing any culpability for another individual's actions. Your inability to see the bully as a three dimensional person is the root cause of your extremely simplistic view.
So you view anyone who has a relationship with that bully, let's not use mcdonalds as an analogy, let's use his mother - as therefore evil and corrupted and unethical. So a girlfriend, a mother, can all be impugned because they have a relationship with that individual?
A mother has no choice in being a mother. She certainly cannot be impugned. Even Hitler had a mother, and I don't think she's guilty of anything: what could she have done?
A girlfriend, on the other hand, certainly has a choice. The boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is not an absolute one, nor is it an unconditional one.
The root issue you have is you view the bully as a one dimensional cardboard caricature.
We generally view serial killers as one-dimensional. And we generally view Nazis as one dimensional.
In spite of this, it is true that strictly speaking, the bully, or the serial killer, or the Nazi might be multi-dimensional. They might be a brilliant football players. Chess prodigies. Wine connoisseurs. Humorous. Witty. Insightful.
But those traits are really beside the point.
Because when someone has an evil, heinous, and anti-social dimension, that is the most important dimension when assessing someone's character.
All of your comments just seem to be a cutesy defence of bullying. We should support bullies. Girls should date them.
People kill themselves over bullying. I nearly killed myself in high school because I was routinely bullied by the popular kids. If you think that bullying the weak is just a fun little game that should be normalized and defended, then I'm afraid we won't be able to have a productive conversation. In that case, you and I would simply be enemies, because you are the sort of person who would defend my torturers.
Then we can't. Because you have a very simplistic and childish view of bullies, probably because you are emotionally scarred from your experience with them, which happened in your childhood.
Many people bullied others for various reasons in their childhood. Some bullies were bullied themselves. In fact, since so many people did it, we can safely say some of them went on to become productive, generally decent and normal adults. So the analogy with nazis doesn't hold, to call them evil sociopaths is just a childish way to think about the issue.
I didn't say it was a game, or that bullying is fine. I said this black and white view of them as evil and therefore everyone who has a relationship with them is evil, is childish. You know what else is objectively unethical? Illegally downloading movies. You can't really defend the people doing that. But many people do that, it doesn't automatically mean they are evil and even more to the point, we don't accuse their girlfriends of supporting evil. And illegal downloads are actually illegal. Most forms of bullying technically are not.
Then we can't. Because you have a very simplistic and childish view of bullies, probably because you are emotionally scarred from your experience with them, which happened in your childhood.
Maybe. But your glib, indifferent attitude towards bullying reveals a lack of real-life experience with what bullying actually constitutes. It's like the rich man lecturing the peasant about the wonders of laissez-faire. It's just hard to take you seriously.
So the analogy with nazis doesn't hold, to call them evil sociopaths is just a childish way to think about the issue.
It does hold. Many people are racist for "reasons" as well. Perhaps they had genuinely terrible experiences with individual Jews, or with individual blacks. Surely we should not be so "simplistic". And indeed, many racists go on to become "successful" people. One is sitting in the Oval Office.
When there's no consequences for bullying and you're excused (and in fact, rewarded) by society for disparaging those beneath you, there is nothing stopping you from succeeding in life despite your bullying. And what makes you think that these bullies typically stop bullying as adults? Of course "some" stop bullying, just like some racists have an epiphany and renounce their racist views But as you said, that's just because "so many people did it". It's a statistical thing. There's always going to be exceptions and deviations to certain rules, but these exceptions don't undermine the core point being made. Some of these former bullies end up on the lower rungs of society, and so they don't have many people beneath them to bully. Others end up in managerial positions, where they're given plentiful opportunities to engage in workplace bullying.
Some bullies were bullied themselves
Serial killers were often abused as children too. Irrelevant point, unless you want to argue that serial killers aren't that bad either, and that society is being too "simplistic" in its condemnation of them.
You know what else is objectively unethical? Illegally downloading movies. But many people do that, it doesn't automatically mean they are evil and even more to the point, we don't accuse their girlfriends of supporting evil.
That depends on your views with regard to economics. As a leftist, I don't find downloading movies illegally immoral, since that the worst thing that happens is a marginal decrease in the profits of some multinational corporation. It's simply not analogous to bullying, wherein you're actively trying to make someone's life a living hell.
And illegal downloads are actually illegal. Most forms of bullying technically are not.
You're conflating two distinct things: the law, and what is right. The law doesn't necessarily reflect what is right. There was a time when the law permitted slavery.
What have I said that is glib and indifferent? Do you know what those words mean? I have only refused to accept your assertion that associating with a bully makes you complicit in their transgressions.
That seems to be a disagreement on principle. What about that is glib?
9/10 times a bully belittles or/and hurts another person to gain power and control someone because they can’t find it within their own life. Not to impress girls, that makes no sense.
I've literally never once seen women cheering on a male bully.
They're even pinning the blame on spree killers on women and claim that women should have just dated them and that would have reprogrammed the evil out of them somehow
These communities tend to draw flesh bot guys who believe that there is no free will so everything is just blamed on their scape goat.
You're spot on. It actually frightens me how many people there are that think violence and murder is an answer to not getting what they want. It makes me wonder what their childhood was like...and if theyre not taking their meds.
But lets be real, even in an alternative midieval universe, women would be property of men and only given to men of value, either as a harem for kings or wives for wealthy, so they would still be fucked...or not fucked.
I don't expect you to remember things that would have gone into the background for you especially if you weren't bullied yourself. On the other hand, being bullied repeatedly sears the experiences into your mind.
the post is not saying that people bully to impress the girls. it's saying that girls could stop bullying by disapproving and rejecting the boys who do it, but they don't because they like it. There's some truth to it.
If you've ever met a bully, then you're already wrong. And if you ever met anyone who laughed along with a bully, they count too.
Women aren't going to admit it openly, most even probably truly believe they aren't attracted to it at all. But on a deep level, many are. It's human nature.
uhhh this should be pretty obvious... of course other boys could influence social policy somewhat... but girls are the gatekeepers of what's popular and cool. Boys are doing everything they can to impress and get the attention of girls. It's how the world works. Anything girls or women don't want, doesn't happen. Because men and boys won't go against what the women want.
Isn't it an easy way to accuse women of stuff men do ? "Oh, yeah, it's no the guys hitting me that are bad, it's the girls who like them. They're evil."
JFL at the amount of rationalization you have to go through to hate women.
t's no the guys hitting me that are bad, it's the girls who like them. They're evil."
Not at all what anyone is saying. Of course the bullies are bad, even worse than anyone standing by and allowing it to happen. You seem to be missing the point completely.
AND I CAN'T FIND THAT STUDY ABOUT MEN WHO SERVED TIME IN PRISON.
There was this study I read on this site a while ago about how men who have spent time in prison have sex more frequently and with more sexual partners, regardless of class or economic variables.
If anyone has that study, please share it. It was interesting and useful.
I think it is great that you are posting academic studies to make a point, rather than using anecdotes. I think some very solid points are being made that seem unacknowledged by most of society. That’s shitty.
However, it seems that there’s a lot of discourse here that are really misinterpreting the studies, or exaggerating their effect to justify some pretty negative views.
TL;DR Of these studies, the results provide evidence for the idea that men tend to reward bullying just as women do, which does not fit the entire narrative presented by posters here. The other study doesn’t seem to directly address bullying, and the last one is just bullshit.
First, correct me if I’m wrong, but posters in this thread with upvotes comments here seem to believe that women are giving power and rewards to male bullies, similar to the ones that picked on a lot of people here. These studies do actually seem to provide evidence that bullies have more sexual partners. However:
According to the VERY study you posted, this effect is among MEN as well. As in, men find women who possess exploitative traits and bully people more attractive just as women do. So, that pretty much blows up the idea that it’s really women rewarding bullying by fucking bullies... well it seems men are the same at the very least.
The other study you posted only shows receptiveness affecting attraction. That study could just as easily be interpreted as women not liking men who are “too eager to please” and the researcher actually provides that as a possible explanation.
Most importantly, it is testing an entirely different personality trait than the original study. There are very specific personality traits that psych studies list, the first and second is different. That means that while you might think that a lack of receptiveness.
Now, could this result mirror a source of frustration for men who just want to be nice to people? I think so. A valid piece of evidence that women get turned on by bullying? Eh. The first study does a much better job.
Also I’ll conclude by saying that the last study you posted is garbage. The “disturbing one”? All they did was call women, ask if they were raped, and ask if they got pregnant. I would have to see the actual table to completely determine what’s going on, but just from first glance that is a bullshit study. There are so many things wrong with calling people on the phone to find out if women get pregnant more easily if raped.
In fact, that’s how you get bullshit stats like 1 in 5 women get raped. Your sample is going to be heavily affected by non respondents or people that lie etc. I mean, if you want to do what this study did, go to random people on the street and ask them if they’ve been raped and if so did they get pregnant. That’s pretty much what the study did. I think you can figure out why that might not give you results that mirror the real world.
Social psychology studies like that are notoriously unreplicable and unreliable. About 60% of studies like that were found to be unreplicable, to give you a number. Google replication crisis if you’d like to learn more.
Upvoted because people here need to see this. Folk around here like to bury comments that invalidate their world view, and this is a pretty solid counter to the OP.
Because bulling is a lot worse in gender segregated schools. Male and female. Because people do object to bullying. When you take away the need to impress the opposite gender, you take away the only incentive most bullies have to show restraint.
my primary school was co-ed and the bullying there was worst than my current all boys school. i think it's down to the fact that there are no girls to try and impress
Ive been to both schools, from year 7-9.5 in a boys school and in a mixed school from 9.5 to 11 which I'm in now.
i would say that its probably worse in mixed schools, because when you get bullied you feel alot worse, you feel pathetic and weak when it happens
Most people who move schools, move places. I didn't, I just got moved in and out of a special school a couple of times in primary school. You'll get bullied more in inner-city Glasgow than you will in Wick.
You asked me to prove, conclusively, what I just wrote. That is not "Googling shit". That is a week using MY paid subscriptions to journals, and all the reference texts I can get my grubby hands on, to find all the papers and studies done on the subject. Then I have to read them all. Then I have to index and cross reference them all. Then I have to write up my findings.
You're looking at a week of work minimum. A few years maximum, if there's not enough good data out there on the subject.
Damn straight I expect to be paid. Maybe you should be more careful when you ask for shit.
What's your field and why did you need to pay for journal subscriptions in college? I could get access to nearly anything and everything else I could just go to the library and get for free after a day at most.
Yeah, what I want to know is why students who'd get into the ivy league no problem come over here to face even more difficult entry requirements to get into our institutions.
Every dorm here has that one yank seriously weirded out at how I (And others) got in with B's and C's, while he had to have a 4.0 to even consider applying. Its because your education system is a piece of shit and everybody institution here shares my opinion.
You are making this sound way harder than it really is. He isn't asking you to make a thesis you fucking idiot, he just wants a god damn link to a study.
I went to both a gender segregated school and a coed one. I was bullied much worse in the coed one. Both boys and girls made fun of me for being poor, short, ugly, etc. Girls fake asked me out but I knew it was fake, so I just went "huh" and they went back to their group of friends and started giggling. A lot of bullies will try to impress girls through bullying, not by showing restraint.
I still faced bullying in the gender segregated school but it was nowhere near as bad. No one was trying to impress girls because we weren't around them. Maybe it was only because it was a different school, I don't know. Just know that a lot of people have had different experiences.
I got set on fire once. Now I buy drugs off the guy who set me on fire, I get obscenely good credit and I'm the only customer he has that he trusts to come to the door.
You too? I also had a bully Chad try to set me on fire. The back of my shirt lit up ad I thankfully put it out before it went further. That, getting choked out int he locker room, or being punt kicked in the head was probably the worst that happened to me.
My present favourite story is the time a teacher walked into the tech department to find me pinned to a wall, trying really hard to keep a hacksaw away from my face.
Apparently I attacked him. Still trying to figure out the logic there.
Women have a large amount of men to whiteknight for them and other women friends to defend them, and the rest of society and the media to put them in a good light. Chads don't get picked on, and they still have friends they can depend on if they get into a fight. Normies have friends to defend them or console them when they get bullied.
The women-are-wonderful effect is the phenomenon found in psychological and sociological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with women compared to men. This bias reflects an emotional bias toward women as a general case. The phrase was coined by Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in 1994 after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign positive traits to women, with woman participants showing a far more pronounced bias. Positive traits were assigned to men by participants of both genders, but to a lesser degree.
Missing white woman syndrome
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Damsel in distress
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ahh the great memories of running out of class with your lunch box to avoid being hungry (in india violent bullying is not too common but they hurt you in other ways)
It would also end if bullies recognized their actions were wrong, and stopped doing it. Putting the onus on girls to police boys by managing sexual incentives is fucked up beyond belief.
The people who do the bad thing are the people we should be focused on. Why are you so eager to let bullies off the hook? Are you really that desperate for something to shit on women about?
Gender segregated schools have more vicious bullying than co-ed schools.
Most teenagers don't actually have sex, they just lie about it.
Children aren't having sex.
Girls bully boys and boys bully girls.
older highschool girls will fawn over younger boys that were bullied. "poor thing, hes so cute, let me take care of you."
Most middle-highschool aged girls could give a shit about the social interactions of same aged boys. They think the older ones are hot and mature amd the younger ones are cute and sweet. They are far more concerend with their own bullies/Bullying/social standing than their male classmates.
again, girls get bullied just as much as boys, thinking otherwise is just sticking your head in the dirt.
Whoa simmer down. You don't use your smartphone before bed? So weird.
So how come incels always got to bring up Chad cock or BBC? You jealous of Stacy of something? Hate Chad so you fell in love? What do you call a male roastie?
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1 vvvvvvvvvvv11 2018-03-22
Women love bullies. All the studies prove it. When we post them, normies stay quiet.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Not all. Some find bullying disgusting. Reminder that no study beyond semantics, cover 100% of women. There are also guys who like to bully because it helps them cope with their own issues.
1 vvvvvvvvvvv11 2018-03-22
We all know that isn't true. You can't find me a study that says women hate bullying.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
We don't know that because you don't actually have any evidence that declares 100% of women actually agree with this. Sweeping generalizations is just bad. Every person is unique.
1 anincelforlifelol 2018-03-22
Wow you're right! Some women go after muscular Chads while other women go after pretty boy Chad! Every woman is unique!
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Your years of dating experience are beyond obvious. A. Amazing!
1 TreesnCats 2018-03-22
Your years of argument experience are beyond obvious. B+, try addressing what he said next time!
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
What's to address? He's under the assumption that women only go after 'Chad'. He's already a lost cause.
1 TreesnCats 2018-03-22
And you're a lost cause for believing some women don't go after Chad.
See how stupid and dismissive that sounds?
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
It does but only because you are objectively wrong.
1 trevmon 2018-03-22
if women liked bullies then all the normies here would be swimming in it but they mix it up with too much white knighting which is beta behavior. They want chad bullies only.
1 slothsenpai 2018-03-22
"Blah blah blah not all", "blah blah blah every person is unique" are all very convenient rebuttals of sweeping issues out of the rug. Women do partially contribute to toxic-masculinity when they do reward bullies and bad people with sex. Maybe it's not the bullying aspect that these women get off at but rather the power and status that comes with it, no matter how immoral or reprehensible it is.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
It's also the truth. Generalizations can be used against any group you are apart of to paint you in a bad light despite you not conforming to said generalizations.
1 iQ9k 2018-03-22
I bet if there was a study saying 95% of women liked bullies, your bitch ass would still say that "everyone is unique" lmfao
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Too bad there isn't one. As much as you incels want to paint all women as evil, it's just not objective reality.
1 incelliarmus 2018-03-22
You mean it is the reality that you ignore because it is easier to ignore said reality and not deal with it than accept the blackpill
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Black pill is a chasity belt invented by men who got one too many wedgies in high school. Sorry but you're looking for statistics that don't exist. I know you want to blame women for all your problems but grow some balls and be a man for once. Take some responsibility.
1 incelliarmus 2018-03-22
Take responsibility for....what? Let me guess....not showering enough, being creepy, having a terrible personality, or something equally as stupid as those, right? Very original right there.....
Congratulations, you correctly guessed that we were bullied because of our looks, was that supposed to be an insult or something? It is something that is BLATANTLY obvious and talked about here. You must be very proud to have the ability to repeat something that is mentioned a lot, I know a lot of you helmet wearing window lickers have a hard time structuring a sentence together. Want to attempt to insult me or do whatever you were trying to do more effectively? Use a LITTLE more thought than that.
Fucking retard
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
For being undesirable to the women who have rejected you? All I'm asking for is a bit of self-reflection. In all my time here I've never once heard an incel even acknowledge that accepting responsibility is even possible. I had some guy tell me it was a myth earlier.
That is quite possibly one of the most unattractive things I've seen here. The utter denial, the shoulder-deep head in the sand. Every problem every incel I've encountered attributes it to women. Women denying them, women having it easier than them, women sleeping around with 'Chad'. Never once have I ever seen an incel ever admit that maybe something about them was maybe off-putting.
The blame is always shifted. "It's genetics!", "It's Stacy!" "It's Chad!" "My jawline sucks" "This other depressed, mentally ill incel mogs me."
There's no need to insult anyone here really. It's all been said thousands of times over because for any normal person, all of your issues are beyond obvious. That's why you always hear the same stuff. It's painfully obvious to any reasonably adjusted person why incels fail at establishing meaningful relationships.
But you will all insult each other for us. That's the funniest part. You'll share pictures, be rated extremely low by your peers, have the doomsayers claim it's all over. One guy just might barely escape this hellhole and he'll be chastised by the incels claiming he was a 'normie' or a 'fakecel'.
It's really pathetic. At some point you guys got to grow some balls, man up and look inwards. Take control of your life. That level of self-love, that desire to be better, the confidence to treat yourself better, that is what women really find attractive. Beyond the physical attraction of 'Chad', if your personality is utter trash, if you can't even be bothered to care about yourself, why would you expect anyone else to?
Self-fulfilling prophecy, victim-complex, unable to take responsibility, self-loathing, entitled, naive. I've only met maybe... 5 incels on this subreddit who don't fall into all of these categories.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-22
How do you even accept responsibility for being born with shit genes, lmao? Well, the rope is an option, but somehow you normie idiots don't like when we talk about that either.
Face it, you lot have been shitting on us throughout our lives and when we finally have a space to talk and commiserate with eachother, then you come here, mock us, shit up the place and try to get it banned anyway. Just get the fuck out.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
A classic. "It's genetics!"
So all of your issues with women and relationships with them are because of genetics? There is absolutely no other reason? That's the most basic incel argument on this entire sub-reddit. "It's not my fault I'm a virgin! I was just born with bad genetics! I swear! It's not my fault! I did nothing wrong!"
Also you're projecting a whole bunch. I don't care if this sub-reddit gets banned. In fact I'd rather it not because this place is really funny at times (sometimes sad, but usually funny).
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-22
One of my first memories in life is of kindergarten and girls making fun of me for being weaker than many girls and ugly. Eventually I begged my mother to remove from there. I was 5 or 6 years old.
Throughout school, I was made fun of for liking books and computers, for my height, for my face, for being from a poor family (had to get food aid for school lunch, the list is public on the Internet), for being weaker than other boys, for my voice, told to kill myself and so the fuck on.
I really don't know why I trusted my teachers and parents so much that it would get better in university and didn't kill myself back then. But of course you can't even imagine that life, what with the highest horse you ride in on.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
I don't usually do this but... eh. Since you don't seen so bad I'll indulge. My first memory in Kindergarten was drawing a curtain at the end of the day with this kid. I asked him out of the blue if he wanted to be my friend and he told me no. Said he didn't like me. I was pretty shocked, as I was led to believe friends weren't difficult to make.
From the second year of Kindergarten to the 1st grade, I was a bully. I picked on that kid who rejected me. Eventually I met a kid who had it really bad. Parents divorced recently, new to the country didn't speak english and we became friends. Really good friends. We were good for each other. I still fondly recall our time together.
Now I'll be honest, I wasn't made fun of in school, not too much anyways. I think everyone gets a bit at least. I was discriminated because of my skin color a few times but after snapping, the girl proceeded to leave me alone for the rest of our time together.
I wasn't rich growing up either, but I was charming enough. Bit of a class clown but mostly just a nice kid. Positive I'd say. I made friends easily and being quite honest, I cruised through elementary school.
Middle school was a bit messy as I dated someone in the 6th grade and had a messy (as messy as middle schoolers can get) breakup which ended with all of my "friends" save for a few leaving me to hang out with the popular boy who dumped me. They bullied me so much in middle school that my "friends" got disgusted and turned it all around for me.
High school was okay. I wasn't popular but I wasn't bullied either. Standard stuff, no complaints. So sure I might have had it better than you. But I didn't give up, I didn't grow up to hate an entire sex. I was objective, as much as I could be about why I was bullied when I was. "Was it my skin color? Was I an asshole? Did I piss off some popular kid? Was some girl jealous of my boyfriend? Was the bully just a jerk?" I never once just brushed it off as it never being my fault and settled with that.
That's not how you grow. That's how you hide and remain a child.
1 Lolidom 2018-03-22
Congratulations on your favourable circumstances.
Don't let it get to your head anymore.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
The fact that you can't rise beyond your own fairly basic and simple circumstances just shows how weak you are.
1 Lolidom 2018-03-22
I said don't let it get to your head.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
Keep coping lmao
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
The ignorance is real. Stay single.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
Keep using your opponents presumed status of virginity as an actual rebuttal to the fact you are coping. Lol faggot
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Presumed? I am in r/braincels aren't I?
Isn't this the place where subhuman generalize the female populace to cope with their rejections? I think they also blame all their problems in life on their genetics, thereby absolving them of anger responsibility? Pretty sure I'm just the right place...
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
Lol yeah the one place you can feel superior since you so ducking far down on the normie totem pole you've browsed Reddit enough to discover this sub. Any normie trolling this sub is bottom of the fucking barrel mogged daily loser trying to convince themselves otherwise by calling virgins virgins on the internet. JFL at your cope
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
A friend told me about this place. I was blown away. Didn't know a place like this could exist. Great entertainment before bed.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
You are either alone in bed coping with your loneliness or laying next to your partner boring her with your phone while she dreams of chad cock or BBC. Lol you don't even know how over it is
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Whoa simmer down. You don't use your smartphone before bed? So weird.
So how come incels always got to bring up Chad cock or BBC? You jealous of Stacy of something? Hate Chad so you fell in love? What do you call a male roastie?
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
If you don't know the answers to those questions lurk more bitch
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Sounds like you've all been incels for so long you're turning into homosexuals. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some incels jealous of Stacy for getting Chad at this point.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
What's wrong with being gay? Your normie friends won't like you insulting people by insinuating they're gay on the internet, better run back to cuck tears before word gets out you're a gay hater.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Nothing is wrong with being gay. It's not an insult, it's an observation. I think incels have built up a wall around themselves so high that they're actually becoming gay. They hate women more and more and idolize Chad more and more.
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
So you're saying gayness is borne out of isolation? Lol your normie friends just ducked out from upvoting you
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
It can be learned and used to cope and or dominate. Like in prison.
1 apx24 2018-03-22
Incels are also coping with their issues when they post blatantly misogynistic content. What's your point?
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Can you read bro? My point is not all women find bullying attractive. Last I checked, sex wasn't dictated by a hivemind.
1 apx24 2018-03-22
I was referring to your second point. Not your first.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
I never said they don't. Sympathy can be passed around, but when the "misogynist" is incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions, unable to even entertain the thought that their actions are their own that they chose to do and have consequences, you'll find that sympathy runs out rather quickly.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Conversely, the sympathy for the Chad bully never runs out. He is a poor victim, after all.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Nah he's also a dick.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Yet still gets laid.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Ah right. I forgot. Sex is a holy grail around here. Yes, assholes get laid. That is a thing that occurs.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
But we don't. Why do the bullies get laid, but not the bullied? That is the injustice.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Variety of reasons. Some bullies grow out of it and come to regret it later in life. Some girls are into bullies or ignorant of the fact that person bullied.
The bullied do get laid at times too. I was bullied in middle school and I got laid just fine in high school. It's not always black and white. There are a lot of circumstances and situations and personalities involved.
1 fuckitidunno 2018-03-22
Pfft, fuck off, bullies win throughout life and those that got bullied fail, the world isn't fucking fair, quit the bullshit. You don't even have to like him, by all means, hate him for being an incel, but don't trip with this just-world bullshit.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Your ignorance is amazing. Have you ever met a bully years later? I have. A lot of them grow out of it and even feel bad for what they did.
Their quality of life varies as does the bullied. Passive, extremely beta men, like incels, tend to become hateful, spiteful men who never truly got over their hurt, a petulant teenager with even less emotional maturity.
Other victims get over it, at least enough to be successful both in finances and with their love life.
The trope of a bullied victim being forever alone because muh genetics is just not always true.
I've seen short as hell bullies victimize taller boys before. Bullies don't always seem victims out of height, though it does help. Passive, quiet, weak victims are what they look for most of all. Genetics aren't why you were bullied. The fact that you didn't stand up for yourself is why you were bullied.
1 fuckitidunno 2018-03-22
You think I should give a fuck if they feel bad? Fuckin lol. If I fuckin killed a dude and felt bad about it later, it doesn't make a difference because the nigga's still fuckin dead! Juts because bullies feel bad after they've gained their life of success from grinding others down, doesn't excuse their actions.
Their quality of---fuckin lol, fuck you. Their quality of life varies? "Beta" men can't get over their hurt feelings? Well excuse the fuck out of me, I apologize that I didn't just get over the severe depression and anxiety I gained from being isolated and bullied for a decent portion of my young life. Man, it's kinda funny how people that dealt with abuse just don't get over it, right. Yeah, they ought to just get over it, fucking fags. Fuck you, man, how the fuck do you expect the same from people that had their self worth grinded into the dirt as you do the ones that gained power from grinding away at them? You're a fucking prick, just like most self-righteous assholes. And, I'm not a fucking incel, so I don't resort to genetics as a reason, in fact, I think I'm rather handsome, yet I was bullied and isolated from a young age.
No, genetics weren't why I was bullied. Selfish pricks like you were. That mock kids that are afraid to fight back. That empower bullies by cheering them on, or turning a blind eye, or implicitly giving them support in their on campus endeavors well aware of what they really were. Or even better, you were a bully yourself, you certainly espouse the philosophy of a former asshole trying to rationalize his or her actions. Actually, I'll assume you were a bully, so fuck you. You assholes try to pretend you're so much better than incels, but really, you're just another shade of shit.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Oh good you're surprisingly not blaming genetics. That's really good. Good on you man. Projecting a bit too hard though . I was a bully in like the 1st grade and worked through it by the 2nd.
Glad you're actually realizing that bullying was on your control.
1 fuckitidunno 2018-03-22
It wasn't exactly in my control, actually. I was bullied from the time I was 4 years old, and my bullies were all kids older than me, I wasn't in control of the situation. Plus, I started school as a sheltered kid with no siblings. My experiences from starting school left the underlying groundwork for the self-loathing that would fuel my depression when I began facing the social isolation I experienced in the 5th grade (which continued until 8th grade, and then was with me from freshman year until now). I don't even know why my life got ruined the way it did, don't know what exactly made me the target, but, I was given the one thing that would allow me to ruin the rest of my life when I was very young. You got to be a bully early, I was a bully too, from 2nd until 4th grade I think. It was a weird situation, my best friends were simultaneously my worst enemies, so we had shifting alliances, constantly fought for dominance. Yeah, even now my fond memories of my childhood friends are mixed with a vengeful desire to settle old scores. I've always hated school. I'm glad my family wasn't fucked up.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
That sucks. Schools really don't handle bullies well at all. You basically have to get suspended fighting back to even have a chance of stopping it early. It's really sad.
1 fuckitidunno 2018-03-22
My bullies were actually different. I've never feared a physical fight, I mean, I didn't until I got mugged three on one...but anyway as a kid I didn't fear fights and I'd fight if pushed, no, my bullies were all mental, and that was something I couldn't take. I don't know why, maybe it was my parents divorce, maybe I was just sensitive, but mental attacks I couldn't fucking handle when I was younger, they destroyed me, and they gave me severe self image issues. It's sort of like how the Emperor planted a bunch of traps in Anakin's mind to make him finally snap one day, my experiences when I was younger gave me the temperament of someone to get severe depression and become suicidal in the face of severe social isolation and, admittedly, severe heartache. My loneliness, disappointment, and constant suicidal depression when I was a teenager eventually broke my spirit by the time I was 19, when I lost most of my suicidal urges and real ability to be disappointed and emerged a broken, cynical 20 year old man whose to dejected and beat down to bother trying much anymore. My depression ain't even being alone anymore, it's realising that I could've changed all this in the past, but now I'm stuck here, hating my past self for being such a fool, and my current self for being so pathetic. Ya know, I think Vader is my favorite character because I can really relate.
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
There is still hope. You can't change the past but if you learn from it and apply it to your present, you can have a great future. Stay strong man. I believe in you.
1 VonMagnar 2018-03-22
This.
1 Lolidom 2018-03-22
muh just world fallacy
1 GeneticCleansing 2018-03-22
truth. bullies exist because girls love bullies.
1 AnnoyingSeaAnt 2018-03-22
Wait. Are you THE Eggman?
1 Bronzehawkattack 2018-03-22
this tbh. There's a reason the bullies are getting laid and you're treated with disgust by women.
1 KhalilYousuf3 2018-03-22
PERSONALITY
1 TallBench 2018-03-22
Looks like tyler in the ifhy video
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
Bullying starts when boys still think girls are icky.
1 Subhumanvoice 2018-03-22
... And It continues all the way through high school. What's your point?
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
That "bullying exists because of girls" is a stupid thing to say.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Bullies are rewarded with sex. If women made it clear that they despised bullies and wouldn't date them, high school bullying (at least male-on-male high school bullying) would end permanently.
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
It would also end if bullies recognized their actions were wrong, and stopped doing it. Putting the onus on girls to police boys by managing sexual incentives is fucked up beyond belief.
The people who do the bad thing are the people we should be focused on. Why are you so eager to let bullies off the hook? Are you really that desperate for something to shit on women about?
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Yes, of course. But people already know bullies are bad, generally speaking. Hence that’s not a particularly interesting or insightful point. Incentivizing and rewarding criminality is as heinous as criminality itself.
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
"Girls could police behaviour by witholding sex" isnt exactly interesting or insightful either. It's such a tires trope that there's even an ancient Greek play about it.
Far more likely: you're going out of your way to frame every ill as women's fault, because you don't really care about the issue, just about blaming girls. I.e. the same reason I had argue this morning with someone saying high school girls are to blame for school shootings because there'd be no frustrated boys if they could only fuck on demand. That guy conveniently didn't mention the shooters when he said who "had blood in their hands."
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Why would I not care about the issue? Most incels are victims of bullying. We have a culture which refuses to hold women accountable for their decisions. We point that out. The rest of Reddit blames men for everything; we counterract that.
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
It isn't an oversight to focus on the perpetrators when assigning blame. There's no need to be the other side of that particular coin.
If you were honestly just looking to drill down into the phenomenon of bullying, why aren't you bringing up parents who don't control their children? Teachers and schools who don't effectively enforce anti-bullying policies? Male friends of bullies who laugh and go along with it? How children learn to become bullies in the first place (which has nothing to do with infant girls)?
Your absurdly selective focus on girls gives you away. It's crystal clear that you're just digging around for things to blame on women, because you don't like women. Not because you care about this issue.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Absolutely it is. When you befriend or have cordial relationships (let alone sexual relationships) with cruel men, you are implicitly aiding them. You are sending them a message that it is okay to be as they are. You are rewarding them for their cruelty.
Whataboutism.
It's because this conversation is about women, you idiot. This entire subreddit is, at some level, about sexual dynamics and gender relations. Of course we're going to talk about them.
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
Complete cop out.
Not in this case. If you're claiming to be interested in unspoken or overlooked factors, you need an answer for why you're ignoring most of them.
Look, if you want to talk about women's roles in larger issues, go ahead. But that's different than reframing entire problems as problems of women's design, which is what these threads are trying to do. It's underhanded, disingenuous, and has zero credibility.
Or, just shit all over women explicitly, without trying to disguise it as honest inquiry.
1 ilikeyourhair 2018-03-22
young males mostly bully to aquire the alpha spot. they bully weaker kids to assert dominance and it has nothing to do with sex, considering bullying starts before puberty.
1 ilikeyourhair 2018-03-22
Children that believe in cooties bully eachother.
Females get bullied as intensely as males.
Gender segregated schools have more vicious bullying than co-ed schools.
Most teenagers don't actually have sex, they just lie about it.
Children aren't having sex.
Girls bully boys and boys bully girls.
older highschool girls will fawn over younger boys that were bullied. "poor thing, hes so cute, let me take care of you."
Most middle-highschool aged girls could give a shit about the social interactions of same aged boys. They think the older ones are hot and mature amd the younger ones are cute and sweet. They are far more concerend with their own bullies/Bullying/social standing than their male classmates.
again, girls get bullied just as much as boys, thinking otherwise is just sticking your head in the dirt.
1 r2401 2018-03-22
Technically you're correct. They could do something to stop bullying. But technically so could the Russian military.
But nobody would then claim the Russian military has some obligation to stop it and their refusal to act indicates tacit approval.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Pretty silly comparison. Pretty girls in high school are directly involved in and a part of the in the high school social structure, and their actions and decisions vis-a-vis bullies and their victims has direct consequences. The Russian military isn't (and I don't think international law allows the Russian military to intervene here, for that matter).
1 r2401 2018-03-22
Good you agree that they are not obligated. Now address the point that their inaction is not logical evidence that they tacitly approve of bullying. That's a not a reasonable conclusion just as it's not with the many entities that have the ability to help but do not.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
It is tacit approval if they are dating the bully. By "approval", they needn't actively support it to urge the boyfriend to do it. It is sufficient to describe their perception of the bullying as constituting "approval" if they continue to view their bully boyfriend in a positive light despite the bullying, which is implicitly obvious in light of the fact that they continue to date him.
1 r2401 2018-03-22
what a self centered view of things that doesn't align with reality. The girl's relationship with her bf is entirely independent of your dealings with her bf. Do you think mcdonald's also tacitly approves of bullying because it doesn't refuse to serve the bully?
We can logically assume it is pro bullying by inaction? No. A reasonable person would say mcdonald's doesn't view its dealings with the bully as having anything to do with your dealings with him.
Legally, and yes morally these are two distinct relationships that have nothing to do with each other and therefore one has no implications regarding the other.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
No, it isn't. The girlfriend's relationship with her boyfriend signals to society that she views her boyfriend in a positive and uniquely exceptional light, given that she has selected him as her lover. Her apathy towards the boyfriend's bullying signals that she is either actively condones the bullying herself, or at least tacitly condones by not allowing his egregious actions to affect her perception of him, the bully.
Serving a customer at McDonalds makes no judgement on the character of that customer. Your interaction with the customer ends after he pays; it is his money you are after. Choosing to befriend or fall in love with a particular individual does entail you either explicitly or implicitly making a judgement on the character of that individual.
A better comparison is a normal white guy going out for a beer with a neo-Nazi skinhead. The fact that you've chosen to befriend a neo-Nazi means that you tacitly approve of his views, or at the very least the fact that he holds those views are insufficient to deter you from going out for a beer with him. This is tacit approval and normalization of egregious behaviour. Needless to say, if both the Nazi and his otherwise normal "friend" get beat up by a black man at the bar, I wouldn't be particularly upset.
1 r2401 2018-03-22
You must be a contortionist with such tortured logic. The root issue you have is you view the bully as a one dimensional cardboard caricature. All he is to you, is a bully. So you view anyone who has a relationship with that bully, let's not use mcdonalds as an analogy, let's use his mother - as therefore evil and corrupted and unethical. So a girlfriend, a mother, can all be impugned because they have a relationship with that individual?
That's a very childish and black and white way to view the world. The truth is the bully is a person, complicated as people are, and not a cardboard caricature on a 23 minute tv show. That's why girlfriends and mothers can all has a relationship with this person without also being in the wrong, or sharing any culpability for another individual's actions. Your inability to see the bully as a three dimensional person is the root cause of your extremely simplistic view.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
A mother has no choice in being a mother. She certainly cannot be impugned. Even Hitler had a mother, and I don't think she's guilty of anything: what could she have done?
A girlfriend, on the other hand, certainly has a choice. The boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is not an absolute one, nor is it an unconditional one.
We generally view serial killers as one-dimensional. And we generally view Nazis as one dimensional.
In spite of this, it is true that strictly speaking, the bully, or the serial killer, or the Nazi might be multi-dimensional. They might be a brilliant football players. Chess prodigies. Wine connoisseurs. Humorous. Witty. Insightful.
But those traits are really beside the point.
Because when someone has an evil, heinous, and anti-social dimension, that is the most important dimension when assessing someone's character.
All of your comments just seem to be a cutesy defence of bullying. We should support bullies. Girls should date them.
People kill themselves over bullying. I nearly killed myself in high school because I was routinely bullied by the popular kids. If you think that bullying the weak is just a fun little game that should be normalized and defended, then I'm afraid we won't be able to have a productive conversation. In that case, you and I would simply be enemies, because you are the sort of person who would defend my torturers.
1 r2401 2018-03-22
Then we can't. Because you have a very simplistic and childish view of bullies, probably because you are emotionally scarred from your experience with them, which happened in your childhood.
Many people bullied others for various reasons in their childhood. Some bullies were bullied themselves. In fact, since so many people did it, we can safely say some of them went on to become productive, generally decent and normal adults. So the analogy with nazis doesn't hold, to call them evil sociopaths is just a childish way to think about the issue.
I didn't say it was a game, or that bullying is fine. I said this black and white view of them as evil and therefore everyone who has a relationship with them is evil, is childish. You know what else is objectively unethical? Illegally downloading movies. You can't really defend the people doing that. But many people do that, it doesn't automatically mean they are evil and even more to the point, we don't accuse their girlfriends of supporting evil. And illegal downloads are actually illegal. Most forms of bullying technically are not.
1 Detoxification- 2018-03-22
Maybe. But your glib, indifferent attitude towards bullying reveals a lack of real-life experience with what bullying actually constitutes. It's like the rich man lecturing the peasant about the wonders of laissez-faire. It's just hard to take you seriously.
It does hold. Many people are racist for "reasons" as well. Perhaps they had genuinely terrible experiences with individual Jews, or with individual blacks. Surely we should not be so "simplistic". And indeed, many racists go on to become "successful" people. One is sitting in the Oval Office.
When there's no consequences for bullying and you're excused (and in fact, rewarded) by society for disparaging those beneath you, there is nothing stopping you from succeeding in life despite your bullying. And what makes you think that these bullies typically stop bullying as adults? Of course "some" stop bullying, just like some racists have an epiphany and renounce their racist views But as you said, that's just because "so many people did it". It's a statistical thing. There's always going to be exceptions and deviations to certain rules, but these exceptions don't undermine the core point being made. Some of these former bullies end up on the lower rungs of society, and so they don't have many people beneath them to bully. Others end up in managerial positions, where they're given plentiful opportunities to engage in workplace bullying.
Serial killers were often abused as children too. Irrelevant point, unless you want to argue that serial killers aren't that bad either, and that society is being too "simplistic" in its condemnation of them.
That depends on your views with regard to economics. As a leftist, I don't find downloading movies illegally immoral, since that the worst thing that happens is a marginal decrease in the profits of some multinational corporation. It's simply not analogous to bullying, wherein you're actively trying to make someone's life a living hell.
You're conflating two distinct things: the law, and what is right. The law doesn't necessarily reflect what is right. There was a time when the law permitted slavery.
1 r2401 2018-03-22
What have I said that is glib and indifferent? Do you know what those words mean? I have only refused to accept your assertion that associating with a bully makes you complicit in their transgressions.
That seems to be a disagreement on principle. What about that is glib?
1 random1234lol 2018-03-22
Bullying is encouraged and rewarded by society
1 WolvesKeepYouWarm 2018-03-22
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.
9/10 times a bully belittles or/and hurts another person to gain power and control someone because they can’t find it within their own life. Not to impress girls, that makes no sense.
1 neomancr 2018-03-22
I've literally never once seen women cheering on a male bully.
They're even pinning the blame on spree killers on women and claim that women should have just dated them and that would have reprogrammed the evil out of them somehow
These communities tend to draw flesh bot guys who believe that there is no free will so everything is just blamed on their scape goat.
It might as well be the dark age around here.
1 ilikeyourhair 2018-03-22
right?
women shouls withold sex from violent males
unless the violent male is ugly, she should fuck them so they dont blow up a school.
what? this entire sub is ridiculous. one of my favorite things to do is have a glass of wine and share this shit with my friends.
1 neomancr 2018-03-22
I suspect it's actually meant to be a veiled threat which is really really dark.
1 ilikeyourhair 2018-03-22
You're spot on. It actually frightens me how many people there are that think violence and murder is an answer to not getting what they want. It makes me wonder what their childhood was like...and if theyre not taking their meds.
1 neomancr 2018-03-22
It's funny. It's like they want to drag us back to a medieval fantasy world where we sacrifice virgin maidens to the beasts.
1 ilikeyourhair 2018-03-22
didnt know that about dragons, neato!
But lets be real, even in an alternative midieval universe, women would be property of men and only given to men of value, either as a harem for kings or wives for wealthy, so they would still be fucked...or not fucked.
1 autistcel123 2018-03-22
Literally never seen it so that means it never happens
1 neomancr 2018-03-22
Ahh I see. I just be seeing it so constantly that it's just become background noise of the eyes.
1 autistcel123 2018-03-22
Are you still in middle school or high school?
I don't expect you to remember things that would have gone into the background for you especially if you weren't bullied yourself. On the other hand, being bullied repeatedly sears the experiences into your mind.
1 N0Taqua 2018-03-22
the post is not saying that people bully to impress the girls. it's saying that girls could stop bullying by disapproving and rejecting the boys who do it, but they don't because they like it. There's some truth to it.
1 WolvesKeepYouWarm 2018-03-22
I’ve never met a single person, girl or boy, who was attracted to that kind of behaviour
1 N0Taqua 2018-03-22
If you've ever met a bully, then you're already wrong. And if you ever met anyone who laughed along with a bully, they count too.
Women aren't going to admit it openly, most even probably truly believe they aren't attracted to it at all. But on a deep level, many are. It's human nature.
1 SignorSolitudine 2018-03-22
I can name you two: Melania Trump and Lady Bird Johnson
1 Nadare3 2018-03-22
And why couldn't other boys do it too ?
1 N0Taqua 2018-03-22
uhhh this should be pretty obvious... of course other boys could influence social policy somewhat... but girls are the gatekeepers of what's popular and cool. Boys are doing everything they can to impress and get the attention of girls. It's how the world works. Anything girls or women don't want, doesn't happen. Because men and boys won't go against what the women want.
1 Nadare3 2018-03-22
Isn't it an easy way to accuse women of stuff men do ? "Oh, yeah, it's no the guys hitting me that are bad, it's the girls who like them. They're evil."
JFL at the amount of rationalization you have to go through to hate women.
1 N0Taqua 2018-03-22
Not at all what anyone is saying. Of course the bullies are bad, even worse than anyone standing by and allowing it to happen. You seem to be missing the point completely.
1 mindmonkey00 2018-03-22
That obviously explains why feminism is so popular among both women AND men.
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-03-22
I'm going to provide evidence for this, as IncelTears and such will say it's "bullshit" when, terribly sadly, it's not.
Study 1
Study 2
Study 3
Study 4
Kind of relevant study here
Terribly disturbing study here
AND I CAN'T FIND THAT STUDY ABOUT MEN WHO SERVED TIME IN PRISON.
There was this study I read on this site a while ago about how men who have spent time in prison have sex more frequently and with more sexual partners, regardless of class or economic variables.
If anyone has that study, please share it. It was interesting and useful.
1 FloridaTulpamancer 2018-03-22
Cannot unlearn.
1 alec7491 2018-03-22
"First, sexual selection might be at work. This would mean that women are responding to signals of “male quality” when it comes to reproduction."
Just fucking lol
1 cookin_breakfast 2018-03-22
Normies won't respond to this
1 InnerHuckleberry 2018-03-22
Ok l’ll respond.
1 InnerHuckleberry 2018-03-22
I think it is great that you are posting academic studies to make a point, rather than using anecdotes. I think some very solid points are being made that seem unacknowledged by most of society. That’s shitty.
However, it seems that there’s a lot of discourse here that are really misinterpreting the studies, or exaggerating their effect to justify some pretty negative views.
TL;DR Of these studies, the results provide evidence for the idea that men tend to reward bullying just as women do, which does not fit the entire narrative presented by posters here. The other study doesn’t seem to directly address bullying, and the last one is just bullshit.
First, correct me if I’m wrong, but posters in this thread with upvotes comments here seem to believe that women are giving power and rewards to male bullies, similar to the ones that picked on a lot of people here. These studies do actually seem to provide evidence that bullies have more sexual partners. However:
According to the VERY study you posted, this effect is among MEN as well. As in, men find women who possess exploitative traits and bully people more attractive just as women do. So, that pretty much blows up the idea that it’s really women rewarding bullying by fucking bullies... well it seems men are the same at the very least.
The other study you posted only shows receptiveness affecting attraction. That study could just as easily be interpreted as women not liking men who are “too eager to please” and the researcher actually provides that as a possible explanation.
Most importantly, it is testing an entirely different personality trait than the original study. There are very specific personality traits that psych studies list, the first and second is different. That means that while you might think that a lack of receptiveness.
Now, could this result mirror a source of frustration for men who just want to be nice to people? I think so. A valid piece of evidence that women get turned on by bullying? Eh. The first study does a much better job.
Also I’ll conclude by saying that the last study you posted is garbage. The “disturbing one”? All they did was call women, ask if they were raped, and ask if they got pregnant. I would have to see the actual table to completely determine what’s going on, but just from first glance that is a bullshit study. There are so many things wrong with calling people on the phone to find out if women get pregnant more easily if raped.
In fact, that’s how you get bullshit stats like 1 in 5 women get raped. Your sample is going to be heavily affected by non respondents or people that lie etc. I mean, if you want to do what this study did, go to random people on the street and ask them if they’ve been raped and if so did they get pregnant. That’s pretty much what the study did. I think you can figure out why that might not give you results that mirror the real world.
Social psychology studies like that are notoriously unreplicable and unreliable. About 60% of studies like that were found to be unreplicable, to give you a number. Google replication crisis if you’d like to learn more.
1 BannnjoGrundy 2018-03-22
Bullying at all boy schools is pretty intense. Sooooo?
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Upvoted because people here need to see this. Folk around here like to bury comments that invalidate their world view, and this is a pretty solid counter to the OP.
Because bulling is a lot worse in gender segregated schools. Male and female. Because people do object to bullying. When you take away the need to impress the opposite gender, you take away the only incentive most bullies have to show restraint.
1 bcat124 2018-03-22
I couldn't find any academic studies on it, but most people in forums who went to both single-sex and mixed schools disagree with you.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1261644
i would say that its probably worse in mixed schools, because when you get bullied you feel alot worse, you feel pathetic and weak when it happens
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
I went to both. I disagree with them.
Most people who move schools, move places. I didn't, I just got moved in and out of a special school a couple of times in primary school. You'll get bullied more in inner-city Glasgow than you will in Wick.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
This is interesting and I'd like to see some evidence to back up your claim.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
You know where google is. If you want research work done, be prepared to pay for it. I charge by the hour.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Lmao just as I thought. You have no evidence to back up your claim.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Nah, I just expect to be paid when I work.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Work? What work are you doing?
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Research. A paying job I expect to be paid for doing.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Oh lol when you said you wanted to get paid for research I though you meant actual research, not just googling shit 😂 Lmao you're hilarious
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
You're the one who said "googling" shit.
You asked me to prove, conclusively, what I just wrote. That is not "Googling shit". That is a week using MY paid subscriptions to journals, and all the reference texts I can get my grubby hands on, to find all the papers and studies done on the subject. Then I have to read them all. Then I have to index and cross reference them all. Then I have to write up my findings.
You're looking at a week of work minimum. A few years maximum, if there's not enough good data out there on the subject.
Damn straight I expect to be paid. Maybe you should be more careful when you ask for shit.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Lololol
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Nah, I had them while I was in college. I keep them because I like to be up to date in my field.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
What's your field and why did you need to pay for journal subscriptions in college? I could get access to nearly anything and everything else I could just go to the library and get for free after a day at most.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Let me guess: You think I'm american.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Most people on this website are so it's typically a safe assumption. I'm guessing now that you're not.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Obviously.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Good. Now I definitely don't have to take your opinion seriously because you obviously have a shitty 'university' education 😂
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
The university I went to is older than your country mate.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Yeah so is Egypt but looks what's happening there 😂
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Yeah, what I want to know is why students who'd get into the ivy league no problem come over here to face even more difficult entry requirements to get into our institutions.
Every dorm here has that one yank seriously weirded out at how I (And others) got in with B's and C's, while he had to have a 4.0 to even consider applying. Its because your education system is a piece of shit and everybody institution here shares my opinion.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Lmao message me back when any UK school breaks into the top 20 engineering schools internationally.
1 PM_ME_UR_FAV_QUOTE_ 2018-03-22
You are making this sound way harder than it really is. He isn't asking you to make a thesis you fucking idiot, he just wants a god damn link to a study.
vhttp://www.ncgs.org/Pdfs/Resources/US%20research%20gender%20nonconforming.pdf
took me 1 minute, probably less time than it took you type up that stupid shit.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Congratulations, you found one study. You have accomplished nothing.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-22
Nope. You make a claim, you have to prove it.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Nope, this is a reddit thread, not a parliament-style debate.
1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-22
How convenient
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Its almost like I wanted a casual conversation and not a competition.
1 bopoll 2018-03-22
It's almost like you're completely wrong and can't handle being called out for it lol
1 autistcel123 2018-03-22
I went to both a gender segregated school and a coed one. I was bullied much worse in the coed one. Both boys and girls made fun of me for being poor, short, ugly, etc. Girls fake asked me out but I knew it was fake, so I just went "huh" and they went back to their group of friends and started giggling. A lot of bullies will try to impress girls through bullying, not by showing restraint.
I still faced bullying in the gender segregated school but it was nowhere near as bad. No one was trying to impress girls because we weren't around them. Maybe it was only because it was a different school, I don't know. Just know that a lot of people have had different experiences.
1 Malice10 2018-03-22
No, chad bullies incels to impress stacies. It happens in non-segregated schools as well.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Wow. I've had it bad in my time, and a damnsight worse than that, but he's just a bairn. Who the fuck lays into somebody that young to that degree?
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-22
Bully Chad.
Thankfully I never got it that bad from my bully Chads.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
I got set on fire once. Now I buy drugs off the guy who set me on fire, I get obscenely good credit and I'm the only customer he has that he trusts to come to the door.
Life is strange.
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-22
You too? I also had a bully Chad try to set me on fire. The back of my shirt lit up ad I thankfully put it out before it went further. That, getting choked out int he locker room, or being punt kicked in the head was probably the worst that happened to me.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
My present favourite story is the time a teacher walked into the tech department to find me pinned to a wall, trying really hard to keep a hacksaw away from my face.
Apparently I attacked him. Still trying to figure out the logic there.
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-22
Damn, I got only my hair set on fire.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Yeah, that one was pretty common. Better than a bucky bottle to the head tho.
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-22
Imagine if that were done to a Stacey
All hell would break loose
But since it's an incel, nobody gives a fuck
1 anonymousvirgin88 2018-03-22
It would be national news and it would be acknowledge by the higher ups of every branch of government.
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-22
Ronald Reagan would come back from the dead to make a statement
1 autistcel123 2018-03-22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Women_are_wonderful%22_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome This is about white women specifically but the groups that get less attention include men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damsel_in_distress
Women have a large amount of men to whiteknight for them and other women friends to defend them, and the rest of society and the media to put them in a good light. Chads don't get picked on, and they still have friends they can depend on if they get into a fight. Normies have friends to defend them or console them when they get bullied.
Incels have no one.
1 WikiTextBot 2018-03-22
"Women are wonderful" effect
The women-are-wonderful effect is the phenomenon found in psychological and sociological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with women compared to men. This bias reflects an emotional bias toward women as a general case. The phrase was coined by Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in 1994 after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign positive traits to women, with woman participants showing a far more pronounced bias. Positive traits were assigned to men by participants of both genders, but to a lesser degree.
Missing white woman syndrome
Missing white woman syndrome is a phenomenon noted by social scientists and media commentators of the extensive media coverage, especially in television, of missing person cases involving young, white, upper middle class women or girls. Instances have been cited in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and South Africa. The phenomenon is defined as the media's undue focus on upper-middle-class white women who disappear, with the disproportionate degree of coverage they receive being compared to cases of missing men, or women of color and of lower social classes. Although the term was coined to describe disproportionate coverage of missing person cases, it is sometimes used to describe the disparity in news coverage of other violent crimes.
Damsel in distress
The damsel-in-distress, persecuted maiden, or princess in jeopardy is a classic theme in world literature, art, film and video games. This trope usually involves a beautiful or innocent young woman, placed in a dire predicament by a villain, monster or alien, and who requires a male hero to achieve her rescue. After rescuing her, the hero often obtains her hand in marriage. She has become a stock character of fiction, particularly of melodrama.
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1 PeppyHydra 2018-03-22
Bullies are often Chads. I like the ugly "bad boy" bullies because they're not Chads but they bully everyone
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-22
Excellent blackpills
There is no positive effect associated with incels
1 Godhelpus1990 2018-03-22
Is that an incel?
1 Prettyfly_whiteguy 2018-03-22
are you sure he didn't try grabbing her ass?
1 GuyFromDaStore 2018-03-22
These days you just call the cops and watch chad get taken away and spend 4 years in prison for assault and battery.
1 SmokeWine 2018-03-22
Except when it’s a Stacy, then she probably sucks the cops dick and comes back to school the next day to terrorize Jane more.
1 undeadcel 2018-03-22
chad gets away while incel is bullied even more
1 prophetpepe 2018-03-22
show example. refuse to believe this
1 prophetpepe 2018-03-22
ahh the great memories of running out of class with your lunch box to avoid being hungry (in india violent bullying is not too common but they hurt you in other ways)
1 womenshouldnotvote 2018-03-22
teehee you're so mean chad
1 armenianbirdcel 2018-03-22
women are bullies biggest supporters and fans
1 CHAD_PRIVILEGE 2018-03-22
This is why the bullied go ER.
1 gufestus2 2018-03-22
I got spit on and kicked in my guts by my bullies. Super fun time. Totally helped me become a complete man.
1 AreYouFrickingDeaf 2018-03-22
You're from India right? Do people actuallyll get bullied here? I'm Indian too and have neither experienced nor observed it.
1 gufestus2 2018-03-22
Not in the same way but it does happen.
1 satendrakumar_tm15 2018-03-22
In india really?
1 gufestus2 2018-03-22
So you were never made fun of or mocked?
1 satendrakumar_tm15 2018-03-22
For what?
1 Jameson_Stoneheart 2018-03-22
There's this thing called "the police". Go there in that state and see what happens
1 geneticSubhumanTrash 2018-03-22
If the bully is from a rich family, you will be prosecuted for assault and battery.
1 xtsv 2018-03-22
Yup, everything males do is for female approval.
1 IronMeltsinmyHands 2018-03-22
I remember a girl cheering on the faggot that would beat me up.
Guys may hate you, but women have the power to either put out the fire, or pour on more gasoline.
And women might not agree with what I've just said. But guess what? Now you bitches have the power in this particular situation. And you've abused it.
Congrats, you fucked yourself.
1 Subhumanvoice 2018-03-22
... And It continues all the way through high school. What's your point?
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Your years of dating experience are beyond obvious. A. Amazing!
1 KingOfCorinth 2018-03-22
It would also end if bullies recognized their actions were wrong, and stopped doing it. Putting the onus on girls to police boys by managing sexual incentives is fucked up beyond belief.
The people who do the bad thing are the people we should be focused on. Why are you so eager to let bullies off the hook? Are you really that desperate for something to shit on women about?
1 ilikeyourhair 2018-03-22
Children that believe in cooties bully eachother.
Females get bullied as intensely as males.
Gender segregated schools have more vicious bullying than co-ed schools.
Most teenagers don't actually have sex, they just lie about it.
Children aren't having sex.
Girls bully boys and boys bully girls.
older highschool girls will fawn over younger boys that were bullied. "poor thing, hes so cute, let me take care of you."
Most middle-highschool aged girls could give a shit about the social interactions of same aged boys. They think the older ones are hot and mature amd the younger ones are cute and sweet. They are far more concerend with their own bullies/Bullying/social standing than their male classmates.
again, girls get bullied just as much as boys, thinking otherwise is just sticking your head in the dirt.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
You know where google is. If you want research work done, be prepared to pay for it. I charge by the hour.
1 r2401 2018-03-22
Technically you're correct. They could do something to stop bullying. But technically so could the Russian military.
But nobody would then claim the Russian military has some obligation to stop it and their refusal to act indicates tacit approval.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Its almost like I wanted a casual conversation and not a competition.
1 WaylanderTS 2018-03-22
Obviously.
1 ArchangelleCheesy 2018-03-22
Good. Now I definitely don't have to take your opinion seriously because you obviously have a shitty 'university' education 😂
1 Rubissrox 2018-03-22
Whoa simmer down. You don't use your smartphone before bed? So weird.
So how come incels always got to bring up Chad cock or BBC? You jealous of Stacy of something? Hate Chad so you fell in love? What do you call a male roastie?
1 bopoll 2018-03-22
It's almost like you're completely wrong and can't handle being called out for it lol