In my Psych course we literally talked about this. Men tend to socially isolate themselves when depressed while women tend to seek support from others.
They seek support because they know they will get it.
Men don't seek it becaus they know they won't get any at best and at worst their life could get more difficult if word gets out that they are having trouble with things. It puts a dent in the "just be confidence bro" facade.
Is it like or care about? When a woman commits suicide, it's devastating to a community. When a man does, it's sad at the funeral, then "remembered fondly."
Yea thats a trait characterized as "toxic masculinity" that I agree with. The manosphere as usual just sets its subjects up for failure by encouraging everyone to be the stereotypical male asshole which is the cause of all the shittiness in the world.
As the pressure is lifted off of men we should be more free to be ourselves 24 7 but then we have the requisite push back that has to happen a generation later. So now we have a bunch of dudes attacking men for NOT living down to the old stereotypes just as they're attacking women for transitioning into a new world as well.
That dude also says men are lonely because they no longer make the effort to be manly and Chad-like. He peddles that "toxic masculinity" stuff himself and is now pretending to be against it.
Edit: Took a look at your post history. You seem to contradict yourself a lot.
This is what you had to say in response to what is considered a "bad personality":
"Someone who is pathetic
Generally women find highly inhibited, meek and passive men unattractive.
The opposite, disinhibition, boldness and drive are the common traits found among all attractive archetypes E g. The hero, the bad boy, the risk taker, and even the asshole.
They are attractive because they telegraph how you are in every avenue of life from your career to the sack."
So you say that traits associated with a depressive man (meek/passive/non-bold/non-driven) can be blamed on toxic masculinity and right-wing male reactionaries, yet on your previous post you openly state that women find depressed/non-masculine men unattractive, going as far as saying that it is an indicator of their life quality.
Being meek, passive and non driven isn't the cause of depression. Even if you are less likely successful there are plenty of guys who don't get depressed.
It's arguably more common for a person to be outgoing, and bold to be depressed. Even among bi polar males they are much more likely to commit suicide during their manic phase.
That's why it's so common for a man to be reported as seemingly happy go lucky before suicide.
I suspect you're just seeing through the very lense of toxic masculinity were talking about. There is nothing pathetic about a man expressing his emotions at all.
To be pathetic has more to do with revellong and stewing in your own misery.
You say that depressed men feel obligated by other men to ignore their feelings here, yet just a few hours ago you openly admitted that men should hide non-stereotypical feelings from women because they (women) don't find it attractive, essentially admitting that women are the bigger problem. I mean, if being traditionally masculine didn't work then those traits would socially die off (It is easy to hide traditional masculinity and "drink the kool-aid". It is not easy to hide passiveness/meekness and thus there will always be betas, even if beta traits are undesirable). Instead, it seems like those who have those traits do the best in the dating game.
I never said that at all. I suspect you are just presuming that I'm a red piller or something.
Being bold driven and uninhibited isn't sad or happy. You can be a brooding bad boy. That's an entire stereotype.
"As pressure is lifted off of men we should be more free to be ourselves......a bunch of dudes attacking men for NOT living down stereotypes as they're attacking women for [the same thing]"
Weird....so do men suffer in silence because women find non-masculine traits unattractive e.g. passiveness, apathy, or is it because a group of men don't like gender role reform? Because you've stated both already. I'm just trying to find out why you can't seem to keep a coherent thought process.
What are you even taking about?
Which is it? Are men the ones ruining things for men or is it the mentally-handicapped femoids? I think I know your answer. It is whichever one you need to temporary fulfill your bullshit narrative. Get the fuck out.
You ignored all of my points and went on a tangent about mania? and pre-suicide behavior? That had fuck all to do with my post. If you're going to ignore what I type, then I won't bother providing a reasonable rebuttal. Sorry to call you out on your bullshit.
Being meek, passive and non driven isn't the cause of depression. Even if you are less likely successful there are plenty of guys who don't get depressed.
He never said it was the cause. He said they were associated, in that the behavior of someone who is meek, passive, and non-driven is similar to that of someone who is depressed. Symptoms of depression include feeling apathetic and loss of interest in activities.
I think the argument is, why are you trying to pin this entirely on the manosphere, when notions of traditional masculinity (such as men being stoic and unemotional) are far older than internet culture? They have existed in human society for centuries and have been supported by both men and women.
Because just as we were shifting away from it, suddenly you have this group who are calling everyone numale cucks for not being stereotypical assholes like they believe is how we should all be.
We were never moving away from it, don't delude yourself. You know why the whole "numale" term has gained so much traction? It's because men noticed that in spite of all the social pushing for men to be open with their feelings and feminine and all that bullshit, at the end of the day women don't respond to it.
Nope. You guys are basically the only ones using that term to dacron anyone who doesn't blindly follow your ideology. It's like the softer form of cuck which is derived from your alt right side.
The only ones who are against it are manosphere types who are trying to destroy masculine individuality in favor of a hive mind that twists masculinity into whatever mold fits its current agenda.
The men who believe that they should hide their emotions are man children who have the depth of a spork. They confuse whiny brattiness for emotional openness and when everyone else tells them to man up they misinterpreted it and convince themselves that men should just all be assholes.
The vast majority of men couldn't care less about manosphere garbage and those who are familiar with it are embarrassed by it
The thing is, women are also responsible for encouraging these traits (in addition to men). Since most men want to attract women, they are encouraged to show traits that women prefer, and as the other reply to your comment pointed out, women prefer "dominant and outgoing" over "meek and submissive" (which you, and most people, agree with).
I respectfully disagree. It's seen that way by some men and some women. Not all men or all women, but a significant portion of both genders.
You think it is only men who push the ideal of being a big macho manly man who doesn't show emotion? There are women who believe that's how real men should be, too. Again, I'm not saying all women, but plenty of them.
Naw the problem is that you're listening to a a group comprised of men who are all struggling trying to claim that you should listen to them and ignore what women want.
And this is one of the big problems which make modern psychology an IMO unviable science - too many taboos and too many false premises. No, men don't "isolate themselves" - men are isolated. But a researcher cannot say that. A researcher can point at the correlation, but if interprets it without putting the responsibility (and perhaps even the fault) for the isolation on men themselves, that research isn't passing review.
When I was at my lowest, I sought support. I sought it for years and found none all the way until I was rich enough to pay a therapist.
Oh, ok, well I used to be a heavy smoker of tobacco but I quit a few months back. It's not my first time quitting though so I'm not keeping track like I did before.
Very accurate. Femoids have a massive support network everywhere they look. Men and women so quick to support them but oh my its sooooo hard being a femoid. This is why I'm convinced their brains are simply incapable of functioning properly. A well-developed brain would be capable of self-awareness and rational thought - something most femoids are unable to do.
Men isolate themselves in a depressive episode because nobody cares when men are depressed. Most men don't have support networks or anyone who actually cares about them.
Right. If you're a man, much less an ugly one, then you're truely alone in this world when you face hardship. Nobody wants to even be around a man that isn't happy or emotionally void, they won't even make an attempt to check on you. Fuck it
I love when women bring up "toxic masculinity" becasue they never realize that they are the ones perpetuating it due to their ridiculous standards and expectations of men.
I feel like I don’t have a leg to stand on in this sub since I’m a woman, I do want to say though that from my experience and my point of view, I have never viewed anyone who has depression as weak or unattractive or inadequate because of their depression. Male or female. I hope you have better experiences with women as the ones you’ve met have obviously not been up to par.
Women aren't just given 'support networks', women develop networks of friends and relatives by being friends to people. Why don't men do this? Presumably this isn't the only lonely guy in the world, he could seek out and befriend other lonely men. Why doesn't he?
Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks.
Why? You clearly have your mind made up about this. I can only approach the issue with logic and reasoning, and you've given no indication that such an approach will work for you. You seem to be motivated by an irrational hatred of unsuccessful men. As such, trying to reason with you would be a waste of time. My time would be much better spent simply insulting you.
I'm not the one claiming that men are so shallow they won't be friends with other men who don't meet their looks requirements. You are the one who is making this claim without further explanation. Why, why wont you reach out to some ugly man and relieve his loneliness?
Actually, yes, you're the one who's making that claim. My point was completely different, and you're not just misrepresenting it - you're assuming a different point entirely, just because it suits your particular bigoted views.
It's why I think you're a piece of shit and not worth having a real conversation with. I mean, you're just some rando who's lived an easy life, knows nothing of hardship and yet styles himself an expert on others' lives. Would you even talk to you? No, you probably wouldn't because you lack any substance.
No, I suggested that he could seek out and befriend other men to relieve his loneliness ("I haven't spoken to another person in two weeks") your reply was that this was not possible because "Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks."
your reply was that this was not possible because "Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks."
No, that's was not a reply to that particular assertion. Just how dumb must you be to misread something so simply phrased? Even for a member of the IT hivemind your stupidity is kind of special.
You're so dumb lmao. Whoever you contact will message you back immediately. Man up and message any1 first if you want attention, hoe. An incel will message 100s of people and won't get replied to, not even once. Cry me a river over how "nobody texts me first" LOL
What makes you think we're going to take advice from some land-whale loser who failed at being a femoid and couldn't even properly leverage her vagina into having a healthy social life?
You clearly aren't one to give advice. Your own life is shit. Go away.
Because i have principles? It seems like you don't care about anything (not just you but braincels in general). Like you would use anyone to get benefits for yourself.
I actually don't want to leverage my pussy to get anything because I think that's evil. I don't want to use others. I want to make the lives of others better.
You sound like a nice partner. I think relationships should be mutual and pay and do things for each other from time to time. I don't like the idea of someone leaning on me for money or attention.
This is why there are no good female comedians, they can't be depressed. Comedy is mostly about self-deprecation and making light of how shitty your life is.
Ugly guy- makes money, gets literally any woman he wants even if 1/10 Gollum.
Ugly girl- fucked.
Even if super successful and rich she still won't end up with a equally successful guy because they aim for trophy wives.
What? Even an ugly crazy chick with no job can land a boyfriend. If you're the dude in that situation you have to be making like 300k or you're going to have trouble getting a woman who isn't pretty shitty in one way or another.
I agree in that it's easier for an ugly girl to find a boyfriend. But he won't be any good. He won't be good looking. He won't be rich, he won't be powerful and he likely won't be fun or intelligent. Because guys with those traits get better looking women.
Once he becomes any of that he will probably drop her lol
Men marry women they find attractive, women marry men they find can offer them the best future. This is a fact. If you believe women want to marry Chads you're living in a fable, it almost never happens in reality.
Funnily enough male models usually end up with pretty average/above average looking women.
If you think an absurdly ugly man is going to find a wife who is, at the very least, very hot without an extreme amount of wealth/power/fame you're being ridiculous.
You mean ugly women deserve bottom tier men? I agree. You act like that is in imbalance; as if the ugly girl is getting ripped off by getting a bottom tier man. This is a testament to female hypergamy. They are unsatisfied with their looksmatch.
An ugly guy can get any woman he wants (bar celebs) if he has money, status, power. You cannot say that about women. Men are the providers and the ability to provide matters a lot in men, for women.
It's not about women being entitled, it's about all of the woman's worth, in today's society, comes from her looks. This is absolutely not true with men. Men have a lot more fields they can excel in to be attractive as potential partners. I'm talking about long term relationships, marriage, not hookups and ONS btw.
An ugly woman is fucked in the eyes of society. We as a society expect men to provide and women to look pretty. Its as simple as that
Wrong. That argument has two (incorrect) implications. 1) There is a shortage of attractive or normie men that can provide money, status, or power so ugly guys need to fill in the vacuum and 2) ugly men only want superficial relationships based on his money, status, and power.
1) The idea that there is a shortage of good-looking men with money, status, and power is ridiculous. The kind of women that high-status men would want don't need to settle for an ugly man - there is likely at least one average looking high status men also pursuing her. That is because it is a buyer's market, and women are on a shopping spree.
2) We don't want petty relationships here. We want true, genuine affection. We don't want to marry some used up roastie who just wants money and is fucking Chad on the side because we're ugly. The idea that ugly man getting hot chick because of status is stupid because we all know she's unhappy sexually with the ugly guy
Women's worth does not come from her looks. Women's worth comes from her vagina. Just by having one, a women is automatically a 2/10 on the dating market, even if she is physically a 0/10. It doesn't matter, there are men who will fuck her.. There are men who will love her, for her. The idea that an ugly women "is fucked" is naive and certainly not based in reality. If by "is fucked" you mean "not getting top-tier Chad or Chadlites" then fuck yeah she's fucked and rightfully so. But there are plenty of normies who would pork a 1/10. No femoid would do that to a male.
As an ugly man, you are fucked in every way and there is no winning. We as a society expect men to be gods and women need to literally just fucking exist. It is as simple as that.
Ugly guys don't have money, status and power, and are actively prevented by all around them from accumulating them. Look at any celebrities and rich people - every time someone asks for an ugly celebrity, people point either at Steve Buschemi, or at someone who is simply old.
And even men who do have money and status without being attractive, are only going to get exploited.
None of the richest people in the world is attractive. Show me a single one
Actually, a good portion of them are butt ugly. Unless you mean the only way to get rich is entertainment.
Entertainment isn't even the easiest or fastest way to get rich, lmao.
The smartest ones are the richest, not the best looking ones.
literally every single rich and famous man is at least average
Being average is attractive now?
Elon Musk, Bobby Murphy, Moskovitz, Zuckerberg, Blecharczyk worlds youngest billionaires, many below average, many average, looks didn't change anything in their careers. They would have been equally successful even as elephant men
You're talking about movie stars with 6 mln in their net worth
Fat Ugly girl: can never land Chad regardless of her money/status.
Fat ugly girls have it worse than fat ugly guys. As you move up the attractiveness scale, girls "life easiness" increases at a faster rate than guys until it hits the break-even point at the barely-normie attractive level. From then on for the attractiveness-level, women have easier lives than men.
In the end that's all that matters. Unless you think a woman wants to go into relationship in her 30s with someone with a chiseled jawline over someone who can secure the future for her and her children
Why used up? Marry a 19 y o if you want, or early 20s as long as they are willing to marry.
You guys are from the western societies I assume. Well, women like to have their careers in their 20s and 30s. That often keeps them from marrying early. But if you have money and a good job you can look for a young wife.
Thou if you are only going to settle for a pure, untouched virgin >8 that could prove to be difficult
What about being wanted for looks and not "who you are"? What is the difference?
Explain to me, I'll wait.
Genetic lottery (looks) vs being successful and skilled, and able to provide with financial safety, good sex life, etc.
You're being disingenuous, you've added "good sex life" later and besides what if you haven't had sex or experience in relationships in case of incels? That's kind of their point, no?
Well satisfying sex matters a lot, it's one of the foundations of a relationship, but I knew you will derail the conv which you did if I put that in, so I took that out.
I have no idea how to get good at sex without first having it, maybe spend a $100 on a hooker, do some learning online, read some books. Keep cool head when it starts and try not to cum within the first 10 seconds. Giving over receiving etc., giving as an investment for the future etc. Unsure what you want me to say
I'm still waiting for you to explain how money is different from looks in "who we are".
If you meant experience in relationship as in being with someone I don't understand how that's a relevant point to what I was saying. What is your question?
Let's start from the beginning of the conversation:
You: Ah so we can only be wanted by our money not who we are.
Me: What's the difference between money and looks? Both shallow, materialistic, not "who we are"
You: (not answering my question) "What if you haven't had sex or experience in relationships in case of incels? That's kind of their point, no?"
What the fuck does that even mean? Do you even have a question or not? That sentence doesn't make any sense dude. I already explained to you how to get sex knowledge without having sex before.
Maybe you're lonely because you can't coherently voice your thoughts
First of all, I didn't say "we", in fact I didn't use a voice at all.
Second of all, having someone to be attracted to you because of who you are and not because of the money and stability to provide for children is what most people (and especially people here) want. You suggesting that being a glorified ATM to someone is a good deal is insulting, for incels and non-incels alike.
However, if that's your fetish - you do you, buddy.
I love how your definition of "fucked" is not ending up with an "equally successful guy". An ugly guy faces years of harassment and social isolation, exploitation and/or growing old alone, a lack of career options and higher taxes, but that's not a big deal to you. An ugly girl likely won't marry a super rich hot doctor, and that's "fucked" to you.
Ugly guys come out on top over ugly girls, as time goes on. Ugly girl is fucked for life. Ugly guy is fucked for college years and maybe 20s.
Lol this is complete bullshit. There are more women graduating college than men, and women also have better career opportunities due to feminism becoming more influential and companies being pressured into gender equal quotas.
Ugly guys have it the worst in current modern society. The days where they could get rich and find a loving bride are long gone due to the hypergamous hookup culture and feminism.
You still have yet to make a case for why a woman is "fucked" just because her chances of marrying a rich and handsome man are limited. Access to the best of everything is difficult for anyone, not just women. And I don't think anyone is "fucked" just because they can't be the richest, most successful person in the world dating the most attractive member of the opposite gender.
In hiring guys people rarely look for looks.
Also known as "I'm a woman or a normal looking man and have never had my character and professional ability assessed by my look, so it doesn't happen"
No, I completely disagree with you here. You're either ignorant or dismissive of the way men's appearance plays a part in the hiring process. Most glaringly, in almost every field, it's extremely important for a man to be able to look good in a suit, which means any man who doesn't fit the traditional male body shape is immediately discriminated against. And that's just the beginning. I'm not going to assert that women's appearance doesn't affect their career options as well, but a woman's appearance determines only her appearance, and that's it. As a man, my appearance is treated as an indicator of personality and professional skills.
Are you in idiot, or just a very low-paying field? Come to the NYC financial district sometime and find an investment banker that isn't tall and white. Eventually, you will. Now find me an ugly one. You'll be looking for a while. Now find me an ugly female investment banker It'll probably be the first femoid you find. Then, go look at middle management and upper managemen: all good-looking tall, white men. They might not always have all 3 of those traits, but they are 99% sure to have at least one. White collar offices in major cities are especially superficial and being a tall, white good-looking man statistically improves your career options. Being a good-looking women in this field is less important than being a good-looking man because good-looking women rarely get advanced degrees (why, just marry Dr. Chad?), which means there is a severe shortage of good looking women but there are many companies who still need to fill their diversity quotas. Thus, they hire whatever women they can get. Are you a teenager? Because you seem clueless/idealistic about how the world work.
Why bring race into it? Ofc being white improves your prospects. Ofc being hot improves your prospects if you're working with clients, hot people sell more
Now let's take a look into IT field and tell me how looks are the only way to be successful. Your anecdotal evidence means nothing.
And you answered yourself, it's much more difficult for ugly women to climb the social ladder especially if they were hired to fill the quotas
Because you are talking about career options and the professional community is dominated by a certain race. Pull your head out of your ass for a second and stop pretending race isn't a variable. It's ok, you're on the Internet. You can un-plug.
What does being in IT or a business owner have to do with anything? We are talking about hiring, so we can get rid of being a business owner. Anyone can do that and you don't get hired. So being in IT lmfao a pretty girl will get hired literally anywhere if she's qualified. An ugly girl will get hired literally anywhere if she's qualified as well. IT has low levels of diversity (no femoids) so they will pretty much hire any qualified or slightly under-qualified femoids and may even fast-track them for promotion to middle management or something. Top management is reserved for white men. That holds me back as much as it does femoids but that's reality.
I didn't answer anything myself. If anything, someone hired for quotas would probably be fast-tracked for promotion because if the low-levels lack diversity the middle levels probably do as well. They want to cover all their bases.
I would consider myself moderately attractive and still I've only been asked out maybe twice in my entire life. I'm curious to know what you guys do in order to try to secure a relationship or sex with women. If an incel ever wanted to date me/sleep with me, I literally would have never known it.
Except according to you all I would still be getting asked out all the time, just by ugly guys. You literally just contradicted this post. Keep your delusions straight.
Just go on Tinder, you stupid ugly cow. You'll get dates there. None of them will truly care about you as a person, but let's be honest. You were never going to find that, anyway.
Maybe homely girls don't get pursued by Chad, but men in general? You have to be really goddamn ugly. As in, you hardly even resemble a human being. If you don't get anything on Tinder, I'd recommend getting a gig at the circus and dating one of the other freaks.
It's because you're fucking ugly lmao trust me, average look girls + get hit on all the time. You either live in a really small town with little interactions or you're just not attractive. Also, nobody here believes Chad is chasing the uglies in person. When we say fatties/uglies still get Chad, we're referencing online dating. Which, yes, you could prob find Chad on Tinder so it's not over for you.
Ugly guy- makes money, gets literally any woman he wants even if 1/10 Gollum.
Ugly girl- fucked.
Even if super successful and rich she still won't end up with a equally successful guy because they aim for trophy wives.
Because just as we were shifting away from it, suddenly you have this group who are calling everyone numale cucks for not being stereotypical assholes like they believe is how we should all be.
Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks.
You're being disingenuous, you've added "good sex life" later and besides what if you haven't had sex or experience in relationships in case of incels? That's kind of their point, no?
If you meant experience in relationship as in being with someone I don't understand how that's a relevant point to what I was saying. What is your question?
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1 Michael_Perth_50 2018-03-21
In my Psych course we literally talked about this. Men tend to socially isolate themselves when depressed while women tend to seek support from others.
1 fathrowaway2527 2018-03-21
They seek support because they know they will get it.
Men don't seek it becaus they know they won't get any at best and at worst their life could get more difficult if word gets out that they are having trouble with things. It puts a dent in the "just be confidence bro" facade.
1 dontcomplain1 2018-03-21
Depressed men are getting more shut down if they say they are depressed.
"Just man up you pussy"
1 Idalah 2018-03-21
Not everyone feels that way towards males though, you can vent to me anytime if you need.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Yeah, mostly people just ignore them.
1 Idalah 2018-03-21
Yeah I'm aware, and that's shitty. I'm just saying I'll listen
1 AQuestionForAnyone 2018-03-21
do you know where women usually get support?
1 fathrowaway2527 2018-03-21
Friends, orbiters, Chad bf, online sympathizers, college programs for women's well-being feminists, etc.
1 LoverMonkey 2018-03-21
Basically the whole world.
1 IncelSlayerZero 2018-03-21
Nodoby wants to hear a man's problems. Best thing to do is just keep your mouth shut lol.
1 8xXxnoxxshroudexXx8 2018-03-21
Sometimes men are alone because no one likes them.
1 seamus_smurf 2018-03-21
Is it like or care about? When a woman commits suicide, it's devastating to a community. When a man does, it's sad at the funeral, then "remembered fondly."
1 8xXxnoxxshroudexXx8 2018-03-21
Sometimes the men are remembered in a way that wasn’t the truth. Yes all who die are remembered best but men get a fucking false memory.
1 trevmon 2018-03-21
they lied about cause and reason for this. men get depressed due to being isolated, which is due to being ugly.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Yea thats a trait characterized as "toxic masculinity" that I agree with. The manosphere as usual just sets its subjects up for failure by encouraging everyone to be the stereotypical male asshole which is the cause of all the shittiness in the world.
As the pressure is lifted off of men we should be more free to be ourselves 24 7 but then we have the requisite push back that has to happen a generation later. So now we have a bunch of dudes attacking men for NOT living down to the old stereotypes just as they're attacking women for transitioning into a new world as well.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
Do you actually believe this?
1 fathrowaway2527 2018-03-21
That dude also says men are lonely because they no longer make the effort to be manly and Chad-like. He peddles that "toxic masculinity" stuff himself and is now pretending to be against it.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Nope. As I've pointed out so many times, the issue with incels is that they've been taken in by so many layers of charlatan bullshit.
You're presuming being masculine means red pill bullshit
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Being meek, passive and non driven isn't the cause of depression. Even if you are less likely successful there are plenty of guys who don't get depressed.
It's arguably more common for a person to be outgoing, and bold to be depressed. Even among bi polar males they are much more likely to commit suicide during their manic phase.
That's why it's so common for a man to be reported as seemingly happy go lucky before suicide.
I suspect you're just seeing through the very lense of toxic masculinity were talking about. There is nothing pathetic about a man expressing his emotions at all.
To be pathetic has more to do with revellong and stewing in your own misery.
I never said that at all. I suspect you are just presuming that I'm a red piller or something.
Being bold driven and uninhibited isn't sad or happy. You can be a brooding bad boy. That's an entire stereotype.
What are you even taking about?
You're seriously just arguing with yourself.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
weak
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Lol. Okay buddy. You confused yourself into screaming at your own shadow.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
You ignored all of my points and went on a tangent about mania? and pre-suicide behavior? That had fuck all to do with my post. If you're going to ignore what I type, then I won't bother providing a reasonable rebuttal. Sorry to call you out on your bullshit.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Your arguments were all straw men claims about how being emotionally honest = being a pathetic schmuck.
1 kta2 2018-03-21
He never said it was the cause. He said they were associated, in that the behavior of someone who is meek, passive, and non-driven is similar to that of someone who is depressed. Symptoms of depression include feeling apathetic and loss of interest in activities.
I think the argument is, why are you trying to pin this entirely on the manosphere, when notions of traditional masculinity (such as men being stoic and unemotional) are far older than internet culture? They have existed in human society for centuries and have been supported by both men and women.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Because just as we were shifting away from it, suddenly you have this group who are calling everyone numale cucks for not being stereotypical assholes like they believe is how we should all be.
1 El_Tigrex 2018-03-21
We were never moving away from it, don't delude yourself. You know why the whole "numale" term has gained so much traction? It's because men noticed that in spite of all the social pushing for men to be open with their feelings and feminine and all that bullshit, at the end of the day women don't respond to it.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Nope. You guys are basically the only ones using that term to dacron anyone who doesn't blindly follow your ideology. It's like the softer form of cuck which is derived from your alt right side.
The only ones who are against it are manosphere types who are trying to destroy masculine individuality in favor of a hive mind that twists masculinity into whatever mold fits its current agenda.
The men who believe that they should hide their emotions are man children who have the depth of a spork. They confuse whiny brattiness for emotional openness and when everyone else tells them to man up they misinterpreted it and convince themselves that men should just all be assholes.
The vast majority of men couldn't care less about manosphere garbage and those who are familiar with it are embarrassed by it
1 kta2 2018-03-21
The thing is, women are also responsible for encouraging these traits (in addition to men). Since most men want to attract women, they are encouraged to show traits that women prefer, and as the other reply to your comment pointed out, women prefer "dominant and outgoing" over "meek and submissive" (which you, and most people, agree with).
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Are you implying that only meek and submissive guys are ever sad or lonely?
1 kta2 2018-03-21
No, but expressing sadness and loneliness and seeking support for it is seen as being meek and submissive.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Only by men. Like anything else it's not the what but the how.
The entire goth genre is based on depressed people expressing their emotions in a positive way.
1 kta2 2018-03-21
I respectfully disagree. It's seen that way by some men and some women. Not all men or all women, but a significant portion of both genders.
You think it is only men who push the ideal of being a big macho manly man who doesn't show emotion? There are women who believe that's how real men should be, too. Again, I'm not saying all women, but plenty of them.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
The entire numale insult is an attack on me who are rebelling against the old stereotypes. The manosphere glorifies it.
1 Lolidom 2018-03-21
And w*men.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Naw the problem is that you're listening to a a group comprised of men who are all struggling trying to claim that you should listen to them and ignore what women want.
1 Dusty715 2018-03-21
Who the fuck can I get support from when I have no friends and my family hates me because of my mental illness?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
And this is one of the big problems which make modern psychology an IMO unviable science - too many taboos and too many false premises. No, men don't "isolate themselves" - men are isolated. But a researcher cannot say that. A researcher can point at the correlation, but if interprets it without putting the responsibility (and perhaps even the fault) for the isolation on men themselves, that research isn't passing review.
When I was at my lowest, I sought support. I sought it for years and found none all the way until I was rich enough to pay a therapist.
1 boredyeah 2018-03-21
I remember this one lol
1 RippedRichAndGod 2018-03-21
2 Weeks without human contact? Look at mister Alpha Jock over here only going a fortnight without seeing other people.
1 dirty_dan1824 2018-03-21
Ah, drinking, my favorite cope.
It is a cope, right?
1 Currycell92 2018-03-21
There are better ways to cope without ruining your liver.
1 dirty_dan1824 2018-03-21
You can always get a new one.
1 lncites 2018-03-21
You can always sexually assault a monkey. Without a condom.
1 dirty_dan1824 2018-03-21
Isn't that how aids started?
1 terminaltevarin 2018-03-21
glhf, people who fuck up their livers with alcohol are on the bottom of the list for donors because they're likely to just ruin their donor tissue.
1 TsarHarkinian 2018-03-21
i smoke tobaccope
1 dirty_dan1824 2018-03-21
Weeeeeeds
1 TsarHarkinian 2018-03-21
no i don't like weed
1 dirty_dan1824 2018-03-21
Oh, ok, well I used to be a heavy smoker of tobacco but I quit a few months back. It's not my first time quitting though so I'm not keeping track like I did before.
1 TsarHarkinian 2018-03-21
stick to weed if it's your thing but for me it gives me anxiety just like this stupid website
1 GoodbyeYall333 2018-03-21
I also smoke. It really has no downsides for an incel.
1 TsarHarkinian 2018-03-21
exactly, recommended tobaccope for incels are ones with allot of nicotine like Marlboro Red or Camel
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
Very accurate. Femoids have a massive support network everywhere they look. Men and women so quick to support them but oh my its sooooo hard being a femoid. This is why I'm convinced their brains are simply incapable of functioning properly. A well-developed brain would be capable of self-awareness and rational thought - something most femoids are unable to do.
Men isolate themselves in a depressive episode because nobody cares when men are depressed. Most men don't have support networks or anyone who actually cares about them.
1 suicidal-pothead 2018-03-21
Right. If you're a man, much less an ugly one, then you're truely alone in this world when you face hardship. Nobody wants to even be around a man that isn't happy or emotionally void, they won't even make an attempt to check on you. Fuck it
1 BF8211 2018-03-21
I love when women bring up "toxic masculinity" becasue they never realize that they are the ones perpetuating it due to their ridiculous standards and expectations of men.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
Women love masculinity. They just don't like ugly guys being masculine.
1 BF8211 2018-03-21
It's only toxic when ugly subhuman men try to assert their masculinity.
1 DalinarsDaughter 2018-03-21
I feel like I don’t have a leg to stand on in this sub since I’m a woman, I do want to say though that from my experience and my point of view, I have never viewed anyone who has depression as weak or unattractive or inadequate because of their depression. Male or female. I hope you have better experiences with women as the ones you’ve met have obviously not been up to par.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Women aren't just given 'support networks', women develop networks of friends and relatives by being friends to people. Why don't men do this? Presumably this isn't the only lonely guy in the world, he could seek out and befriend other lonely men. Why doesn't he?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Men can't be friends with other men because other men fail to meet their high standards of appearance and behaviour?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Yes.
You literally have no idea how a lack of sex appeal leads to literal social isolation for a man? How clueless can you be?
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Then men should stop being so shallow and befriend other men.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
You literally don't know how social isolation works, and yet here you are discussing it and having strong opinions about it.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
So, explain to me why men can't befriend other men and help alleviate each others loneliness?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Why? You clearly have your mind made up about this. I can only approach the issue with logic and reasoning, and you've given no indication that such an approach will work for you. You seem to be motivated by an irrational hatred of unsuccessful men. As such, trying to reason with you would be a waste of time. My time would be much better spent simply insulting you.
So, go get cancer and die.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
I'm not the one claiming that men are so shallow they won't be friends with other men who don't meet their looks requirements. You are the one who is making this claim without further explanation. Why, why wont you reach out to some ugly man and relieve his loneliness?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Actually, yes, you're the one who's making that claim. My point was completely different, and you're not just misrepresenting it - you're assuming a different point entirely, just because it suits your particular bigoted views.
It's why I think you're a piece of shit and not worth having a real conversation with. I mean, you're just some rando who's lived an easy life, knows nothing of hardship and yet styles himself an expert on others' lives. Would you even talk to you? No, you probably wouldn't because you lack any substance.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
No, I suggested that he could seek out and befriend other men to relieve his loneliness ("I haven't spoken to another person in two weeks") your reply was that this was not possible because "Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks."
Also, you know nothing about my life.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
No, that's was not a reply to that particular assertion. Just how dumb must you be to misread something so simply phrased? Even for a member of the IT hivemind your stupidity is kind of special.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Perhaps you should reread the thread.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Nope, you should.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-21
Why doesn't he?
maybe he has social anxiety?
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Then he'd clearly appreciate some other man making an effort in his direction.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-21
which doesn't happen, only to women.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Yes, it doesn't happen because men don't do it. Maybe some of them should try it.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-21
no, men do it for women. men don't do it for men, neither do women.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Of course women are friends with other women and support them emotionally. A lot more than men do IME.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-21
can you even read? i told you that men don't approach lonely men, nor do women. but men approach lonely women.
1 OfSpock 2018-03-21
Men should approach lonely men. Be nice to your fellow man instead of attempting to hit on women.
Women approach lonely women after all.
1 throwaway192200 2018-03-21
Damn i gotta save this brutal black pill.
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-03-21
Bullshit as usual. There are women who go months without talking to anybody. Happened to me on several occasions over the years.
1 solarii 2018-03-21
Well that's just you. Most femoids I know have a really good emotional support structure, while us incels are left with a good rope noose.
1 TestosteroneFilled 2018-03-21
You're so dumb lmao. Whoever you contact will message you back immediately. Man up and message any1 first if you want attention, hoe. An incel will message 100s of people and won't get replied to, not even once. Cry me a river over how "nobody texts me first" LOL
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-03-21
I bet you lots of incels get texted by their moms and pals.
1 IWISHIWASCHAD 2018-03-21
I haven't gotten a text in 5 years that wasn't my phone provider reminding me to pay my bill.
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-03-21
Well same. But now i have reddit friends.
1 IWISHIWASCHAD 2018-03-21
And you're married to a beta bux now or are you "incel"?
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-03-21
Neither. Never intended to accept money from a man.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
What makes you think we're going to take advice from some land-whale loser who failed at being a femoid and couldn't even properly leverage her vagina into having a healthy social life? You clearly aren't one to give advice. Your own life is shit. Go away.
1 pinkgoldrose 2018-03-21
Because i have principles? It seems like you don't care about anything (not just you but braincels in general). Like you would use anyone to get benefits for yourself.
I actually don't want to leverage my pussy to get anything because I think that's evil. I don't want to use others. I want to make the lives of others better.
1 runmeupmate 2018-03-21
You sound like a nice partner. I think relationships should be mutual and pay and do things for each other from time to time. I don't like the idea of someone leaning on me for money or attention.
1 boredyeah 2018-03-21
We hate you
1 throwaway4546474850 2018-03-21
femoid "depression" is a joke. They wouldn't last a week on a subhuman shoes.
1 IWISHIWASCHAD 2018-03-21
This is why there are no good female comedians, they can't be depressed. Comedy is mostly about self-deprecation and making light of how shitty your life is.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
this is kind of a shit thing to say considering there are still many girls who kill themselves. Depression is not a joke
1 Hopecel 2018-03-21
Yea, that’s why 90% of suicides are done by males. Just fucking lol.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Cite sources
1 boredyeah 2018-03-21
Deletimg instagram is not actual suicide
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Honest, do people on this sub really believe it's better in our world to be an ugly guy than an ugly girl?
Are you guys mostly in your teens?
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Ugly guy- makes money, gets literally any woman he wants even if 1/10 Gollum.
Ugly girl- fucked.
Even if super successful and rich she still won't end up with a equally successful guy because they aim for trophy wives.
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-03-21
What? Even an ugly crazy chick with no job can land a boyfriend. If you're the dude in that situation you have to be making like 300k or you're going to have trouble getting a woman who isn't pretty shitty in one way or another.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
I agree in that it's easier for an ugly girl to find a boyfriend. But he won't be any good. He won't be good looking. He won't be rich, he won't be powerful and he likely won't be fun or intelligent. Because guys with those traits get better looking women.
Once he becomes any of that he will probably drop her lol
Men marry women they find attractive, women marry men they find can offer them the best future. This is a fact. If you believe women want to marry Chads you're living in a fable, it almost never happens in reality.
Funnily enough male models usually end up with pretty average/above average looking women.
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-03-21
If you think an absurdly ugly man is going to find a wife who is, at the very least, very hot without an extreme amount of wealth/power/fame you're being ridiculous.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Not extreme amounts. Just big amounts or satisfying amounts
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-03-21
Yeah man if you're a 9 you can find someone with money and decent looks. You could probably be pretty awful and still do it.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
You mean ugly women deserve bottom tier men? I agree. You act like that is in imbalance; as if the ugly girl is getting ripped off by getting a bottom tier man. This is a testament to female hypergamy. They are unsatisfied with their looksmatch.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
An ugly guy can get any woman he wants (bar celebs) if he has money, status, power. You cannot say that about women. Men are the providers and the ability to provide matters a lot in men, for women.
It's not about women being entitled, it's about all of the woman's worth, in today's society, comes from her looks. This is absolutely not true with men. Men have a lot more fields they can excel in to be attractive as potential partners. I'm talking about long term relationships, marriage, not hookups and ONS btw.
An ugly woman is fucked in the eyes of society. We as a society expect men to provide and women to look pretty. Its as simple as that
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
Wrong. That argument has two (incorrect) implications. 1) There is a shortage of attractive or normie men that can provide money, status, or power so ugly guys need to fill in the vacuum and 2) ugly men only want superficial relationships based on his money, status, and power.
1) The idea that there is a shortage of good-looking men with money, status, and power is ridiculous. The kind of women that high-status men would want don't need to settle for an ugly man - there is likely at least one average looking high status men also pursuing her. That is because it is a buyer's market, and women are on a shopping spree.
2) We don't want petty relationships here. We want true, genuine affection. We don't want to marry some used up roastie who just wants money and is fucking Chad on the side because we're ugly. The idea that ugly man getting hot chick because of status is stupid because we all know she's unhappy sexually with the ugly guy
Women's worth does not come from her looks. Women's worth comes from her vagina. Just by having one, a women is automatically a 2/10 on the dating market, even if she is physically a 0/10. It doesn't matter, there are men who will fuck her.. There are men who will love her, for her. The idea that an ugly women "is fucked" is naive and certainly not based in reality. If by "is fucked" you mean "not getting top-tier Chad or Chadlites" then fuck yeah she's fucked and rightfully so. But there are plenty of normies who would pork a 1/10. No femoid would do that to a male.
As an ugly man, you are fucked in every way and there is no winning. We as a society expect men to be gods and women need to literally just fucking exist. It is as simple as that.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Ugly guys don't have money, status and power, and are actively prevented by all around them from accumulating them. Look at any celebrities and rich people - every time someone asks for an ugly celebrity, people point either at Steve Buschemi, or at someone who is simply old.
And even men who do have money and status without being attractive, are only going to get exploited.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
None of the richest people in the world is attractive. Show me a single one
Actually, a good portion of them are butt ugly. Unless you mean the only way to get rich is entertainment.
Entertainment isn't even the easiest or fastest way to get rich, lmao.
The smartest ones are the richest, not the best looking ones.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Literally every single rich and famous man is at least average, except for the old ones - those are just old.
Sure, but to even get a chance of walking that path, you must meet an attractiveness threshold.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Being average is attractive now?
Elon Musk, Bobby Murphy, Moskovitz, Zuckerberg, Blecharczyk worlds youngest billionaires, many below average, many average, looks didn't change anything in their careers. They would have been equally successful even as elephant men
You're talking about movie stars with 6 mln in their net worth
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Nope, they're not.
1 ClintonShockTrooper 2018-03-21
Fat Ugly guy: can land stacy with money/status
Fat Ugly girl: can never land Chad regardless of her money/status.
Fat ugly girls have it worse than fat ugly guys. As you move up the attractiveness scale, girls "life easiness" increases at a faster rate than guys until it hits the break-even point at the barely-normie attractive level. From then on for the attractiveness-level, women have easier lives than men.
1 nattypnutbuterpolice 2018-03-21
You're a goddamned idiot if you think male gold diggers don't exist.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
I know a woman who is literally so fat she has trouble fitting through doors and she dates exclusively handsome men.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
Beta bucks, you mean?
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
In the end that's all that matters. Unless you think a woman wants to go into relationship in her 30s with someone with a chiseled jawline over someone who can secure the future for her and her children
1 GoodbyeYall333 2018-03-21
So just marry a used up cunt who's had her fun with chiseled jaw chads? No thx. Ugly women can at least get laid.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Why used up? Marry a 19 y o if you want, or early 20s as long as they are willing to marry.
You guys are from the western societies I assume. Well, women like to have their careers in their 20s and 30s. That often keeps them from marrying early. But if you have money and a good job you can look for a young wife.
Thou if you are only going to settle for a pure, untouched virgin >8 that could prove to be difficult
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
Sure, people should just accept the fact that they are not wanted for who they are but for their money.
I believe incels call it "cope".
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
What about being wanted for looks and not "who you are"? What is the difference?
Explain to me, I'll wait.
Genetic lottery (looks) vs being successful and skilled, and able to provide with financial safety, good sex life, etc.
Which one is more "who you are"?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
You're being disingenuous, you've added "good sex life" later and besides what if you haven't had sex or experience in relationships in case of incels? That's kind of their point, no?
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Well satisfying sex matters a lot, it's one of the foundations of a relationship, but I knew you will derail the conv which you did if I put that in, so I took that out.
I have no idea how to get good at sex without first having it, maybe spend a $100 on a hooker, do some learning online, read some books. Keep cool head when it starts and try not to cum within the first 10 seconds. Giving over receiving etc., giving as an investment for the future etc. Unsure what you want me to say
I'm still waiting for you to explain how money is different from looks in "who we are".
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
Talk about derailment. You skipped the point in my response just to talk over me.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
If you meant experience in relationship as in being with someone I don't understand how that's a relevant point to what I was saying. What is your question?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
Re-parse my messages and try again.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
You don't know yourself eh?
Let's start from the beginning of the conversation:
You: Ah so we can only be wanted by our money not who we are. Me: What's the difference between money and looks? Both shallow, materialistic, not "who we are"
You: (not answering my question) "What if you haven't had sex or experience in relationships in case of incels? That's kind of their point, no?"
What the fuck does that even mean? Do you even have a question or not? That sentence doesn't make any sense dude. I already explained to you how to get sex knowledge without having sex before.
Maybe you're lonely because you can't coherently voice your thoughts
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
First of all, I didn't say "we", in fact I didn't use a voice at all.
Second of all, having someone to be attracted to you because of who you are and not because of the money and stability to provide for children is what most people (and especially people here) want. You suggesting that being a glorified ATM to someone is a good deal is insulting, for incels and non-incels alike.
However, if that's your fetish - you do you, buddy.
Coherent enough?
1 ufo_abductee 2018-03-21
Is it really productive to argue about which gender has it worse when it comes to being ugly?
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
tell that to OP
1 ufo_abductee 2018-03-21
Ok.
/u/dontcomplain1 is it really productive to argue about who has it worse when it comes to being ugly?
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
I love how your definition of "fucked" is not ending up with an "equally successful guy". An ugly guy faces years of harassment and social isolation, exploitation and/or growing old alone, a lack of career options and higher taxes, but that's not a big deal to you. An ugly girl likely won't marry a super rich hot doctor, and that's "fucked" to you.
What a disgusting sexist you are.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Ugly guys come out on top over ugly girls. Ugly girl is fucked for life. Ugly guy is fucked for college years and maybe 20s.
1 throwaway192200 2018-03-21
Lol this is complete bullshit. There are more women graduating college than men, and women also have better career opportunities due to feminism becoming more influential and companies being pressured into gender equal quotas.
Ugly guys have it the worst in current modern society. The days where they could get rich and find a loving bride are long gone due to the hypergamous hookup culture and feminism.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
This is the true bullshit. You are one of the people who don't go out and believe now women have it easier than men because feminism and SJW.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
You still have yet to make a case for why a woman is "fucked" just because her chances of marrying a rich and handsome man are limited. Access to the best of everything is difficult for anyone, not just women. And I don't think anyone is "fucked" just because they can't be the richest, most successful person in the world dating the most attractive member of the opposite gender.
Also known as "I'm a woman or a normal looking man and have never had my character and professional ability assessed by my look, so it doesn't happen"
No, I completely disagree with you here. You're either ignorant or dismissive of the way men's appearance plays a part in the hiring process. Most glaringly, in almost every field, it's extremely important for a man to be able to look good in a suit, which means any man who doesn't fit the traditional male body shape is immediately discriminated against. And that's just the beginning. I'm not going to assert that women's appearance doesn't affect their career options as well, but a woman's appearance determines only her appearance, and that's it. As a man, my appearance is treated as an indicator of personality and professional skills.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
Are you in idiot, or just a very low-paying field? Come to the NYC financial district sometime and find an investment banker that isn't tall and white. Eventually, you will. Now find me an ugly one. You'll be looking for a while. Now find me an ugly female investment banker It'll probably be the first femoid you find. Then, go look at middle management and upper managemen: all good-looking tall, white men. They might not always have all 3 of those traits, but they are 99% sure to have at least one. White collar offices in major cities are especially superficial and being a tall, white good-looking man statistically improves your career options. Being a good-looking women in this field is less important than being a good-looking man because good-looking women rarely get advanced degrees (why, just marry Dr. Chad?), which means there is a severe shortage of good looking women but there are many companies who still need to fill their diversity quotas. Thus, they hire whatever women they can get. Are you a teenager? Because you seem clueless/idealistic about how the world work.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Why bring race into it? Ofc being white improves your prospects. Ofc being hot improves your prospects if you're working with clients, hot people sell more Now let's take a look into IT field and tell me how looks are the only way to be successful. Your anecdotal evidence means nothing.
And you answered yourself, it's much more difficult for ugly women to climb the social ladder especially if they were hired to fill the quotas
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
Because you are talking about career options and the professional community is dominated by a certain race. Pull your head out of your ass for a second and stop pretending race isn't a variable. It's ok, you're on the Internet. You can un-plug.
What does being in IT or a business owner have to do with anything? We are talking about hiring, so we can get rid of being a business owner. Anyone can do that and you don't get hired. So being in IT lmfao a pretty girl will get hired literally anywhere if she's qualified. An ugly girl will get hired literally anywhere if she's qualified as well. IT has low levels of diversity (no femoids) so they will pretty much hire any qualified or slightly under-qualified femoids and may even fast-track them for promotion to middle management or something. Top management is reserved for white men. That holds me back as much as it does femoids but that's reality. I didn't answer anything myself. If anything, someone hired for quotas would probably be fast-tracked for promotion because if the low-levels lack diversity the middle levels probably do as well. They want to cover all their bases.
1 Zangano1 2018-03-21
This is posted every week. Also >2 weeks
Fakecel
1 InadaquateThought 2018-03-21
I'm planning on going a few months again after I quit this job.
1 randomaabetaplayer 2018-03-21
No worries. Males are disposable, so it's no biggie.
1 Dylan663 2018-03-21
r/cringepics
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-21
this tbh young women saying they are lonely is cringe
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-21
wtf. i posted this a weak ago.
1 dontcomplain1 2018-03-21
Chad repost always wins
1 kysacademy 2018-03-21
Oldie bit goodie
1 Mest666 2018-03-21
I'm angry I didn't tell every slut with "depression" to shut the fuck up.
1 mu_mikami 2018-03-21
this
1 genetic_scrap 2018-03-21
This will fly over the heads of normies and femoids, but the message is pretty clear, otherwise.
Fuck you, if you think differently.
1 Nobody-Likes-Change 2018-03-21
I would consider myself moderately attractive and still I've only been asked out maybe twice in my entire life. I'm curious to know what you guys do in order to try to secure a relationship or sex with women. If an incel ever wanted to date me/sleep with me, I literally would have never known it.
1 ScionOfTheLion 2018-03-21
it's because you're ugly.
1 Nobody-Likes-Change 2018-03-21
Except according to you all I would still be getting asked out all the time, just by ugly guys. You literally just contradicted this post. Keep your delusions straight.
1 ScionOfTheLion 2018-03-21
Or maybe (gasp) incels aren't a hivemind.
Just go on Tinder, you stupid ugly cow. You'll get dates there. None of them will truly care about you as a person, but let's be honest. You were never going to find that, anyway.
1 Nobody-Likes-Change 2018-03-21
Oh good. So you disagree with this post then? You don't think it's representative of reality and that ugly girls don't get pursued by guys?
1 ScionOfTheLion 2018-03-21
Maybe homely girls don't get pursued by Chad, but men in general? You have to be really goddamn ugly. As in, you hardly even resemble a human being. If you don't get anything on Tinder, I'd recommend getting a gig at the circus and dating one of the other freaks.
1 Nobody-Likes-Change 2018-03-21
Incels are now arguing that ugly girls don't get pursued by guys lol. All is right with the world.
1 DiscombobulatedLake 2018-03-21
It's because you're fucking ugly lmao trust me, average look girls + get hit on all the time. You either live in a really small town with little interactions or you're just not attractive. Also, nobody here believes Chad is chasing the uglies in person. When we say fatties/uglies still get Chad, we're referencing online dating. Which, yes, you could prob find Chad on Tinder so it's not over for you.
1 reallyuglyasianguy 2018-03-21
you're a normie, get outta here
1 hiddenpants110 2018-03-21
you are also a normie lol
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Ugly guy- makes money, gets literally any woman he wants even if 1/10 Gollum.
Ugly girl- fucked.
Even if super successful and rich she still won't end up with a equally successful guy because they aim for trophy wives.
1 lncites 2018-03-21
You can always sexually assault a monkey. Without a condom.
1 neomancr 2018-03-21
Because just as we were shifting away from it, suddenly you have this group who are calling everyone numale cucks for not being stereotypical assholes like they believe is how we should all be.
1 terminaltevarin 2018-03-21
glhf, people who fuck up their livers with alcohol are on the bottom of the list for donors because they're likely to just ruin their donor tissue.
1 Carkudo 2018-03-21
Because they are held to much higher standards of both appearance and behavior, and men who fail to meet those standards are prevent from building up support networks.
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
Ugly guys come out on top over ugly girls. Ugly girl is fucked for life. Ugly guy is fucked for college years and maybe 20s.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-03-21
You're being disingenuous, you've added "good sex life" later and besides what if you haven't had sex or experience in relationships in case of incels? That's kind of their point, no?
1 insanefrominsulin 2018-03-21
If you meant experience in relationship as in being with someone I don't understand how that's a relevant point to what I was saying. What is your question?
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-21
Why doesn't he?
maybe he has social anxiety?