I’m an incel but I don’t hate women or men for it.

103  2018-03-21 by junk_n_stuff

I know I’ll never have sex. Because of allot of reasons. But I’m not going to resent or blame anyone for it. Most of my friends are girls and all of them are different. They aren’t looking for “chads” or anything like that. They’re caring and compassionate and have standards and they’ve made me understand that it’s not them who have hurt me but me myself. I’m the one who gets worked up. I’m the one who would make the disgusting jokes that were unrealistic. And I’m the one who hates myself not them. People are complicated and can’t be summarized in the simple idea that “all women are shallow” because that’s not the majority.

If you want to find the one then stop aiming so low, be understanding of they’re feelings beyond just wanting sex and realize that love or sex shouldn’t be treated as a game. It should be treated carefully and with an understanding that everyone’s human.

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I agree with this completely

Go back to r/foreveralone then cuck.

Well I’m a girl so maybe I’m not a cuck. Also I’m trying to send the message that not every incel hates women. I think that if we want to be taken seriously we have to understand that everyone’s human A and B spread the message that we aren’t just thirsty pigs.

Would you consider dating me if i had a better personality? (My pic is In my post history)

Btw I get what you're saying, but many of us have been hurt by women. Personally. It's hard

Well I’m a girl so maybe I’m not a cuck.

well this changes everything. I rescind my accusation that you are a cuck. You are a Chad chaser

/r/ForeverAlone fucking sucks. it's a bunch of depressed 24/7 people. this sub is funny and is able to poke fun at itself as well at others.

Absolute truth. FA is disgustingly cucked and depressed. No one should read it if they want to keep their sanity.

No I don’t think I would considering how easily you were ready to insult someone just because they made a post about not hating women or men.

I said if I had a good personality. Am i too ugly for you?

No why would you think that?

C U C K

Is not like hating women will suddenly fix your problems, or get you laid anyway.

but it makes you a cuck

I don't really know what cuck means but so what? I have way to much work/shitposting to really worry about women.

because you're a cuck

I am just saying you millennials should get a job

Ok then. Go ahead and call me that. Because clearly you haven’t at all gotten the message that I was trying to send.

Yes, your message screams cuck, especially the part about the females being compassionate but not helping in any way. CUCK

I’m a girl so maybe not a cuck. I don’t hate women because I actually want a girlfriend or boyfriend and a serious relationship. A cuck is a douche bag that’s chill with being a douche bag.

No, a cuck is someone that lets someone else walk all over them. So an incel who feels no anger at all when a female says that they are attracted to personality, rejects the gentle incel and then fucks the asshole Chad 10 minutes after meeting him. That incel is a cuck and should fuck off to foreveralone

"No, a cuck is someone that lets someone else walk all over them"

Incels are the most pushed around group on the internet

But I don’t like chads. I much rather prefer nerdy intellectuals then some dumbass who thinks he can just have me because he’s genetically well made.

All females say this but they are lying including you. In your post history it says you were with an abusive Chad and you like BDSM.

So erm no. You are nothing like us and you are like all other females, lying Chad chasers.

This truthpill is really upsetting me. Man, I'm 25 years old and it still hurts my heart when I'm reminded that all women - ALL WOMEN - want nothing more or less than Chad. Nerd girls, Staceys, sporty girls, skanks, shy and quiet homebody girls, they all want a 6'4" handsome broad-shouldered narrow-waisted leader-of-men kind of guy and I will never be that man. It's just not in my genes. It's pouring with rain outside and I would love to be cuddled up in bed with a girl watching a film but that's not going to happen because I'm not Chad. Do you get these feels?

AWALT is one of the most bitter parts of the black pill

I feel it. Fucking brutal truthpill

I think your forgetting the part where I learned my lesson, and decided that I didn’t want those people. And so what if I like bdsm? I think it’s hot.

If you actually liked nerdy guys, why did you pick a Chad first? If you don't like Chads, why did you pick Chad? You liking BDSM probably had a factor in you liking abusive Chads and not kind, quite gentle nerds who would be aghast at BDSM.

I chose a chad first because I was dumb and 15. I didn’t understand the consequences of that behavior and thought I would be cooler. Now I just don’t want that. Also I like bdsm with girls so...

Your first choice was a Chad. So don't lie and say you like nerds and not Chads. It's astounding how many females are like this.

This sub is so damn toxic its actually getting hilarious. Im happy you dont hate ppl and want to grow as a person. Remain beautiful and stay strong. Things will workout for those who preserver.

Dont let this sub consume you either. These dudes have such a phobia of women they will prolly never get laid.

Well once again your missing the point of that. I went with him when I was 15 and inexperienced. He didn’t even want me. I like nerds. And always have cause I am one. I chose him out of fear of not being cool not because I found him to be a good match. I despise him now. And I want something different. People are complicated and I feel like your trying to put me into a box when really I’ve acknowledged that I’ve made mistakes but I’ve also learned from them. Don’t act like you know who I am just because I went out with a chad for 6 months and like bdsm. Because clearly your so delusional that every women is the same that you are holding yourself back from making connections with someone. You could’ve acted mature and treated me like a human being but clearly you can’t and I think that is why you are also an incel. Grow up.

The fact is that you chose Chad first and not a nerd. I am a nerd myself and my whole life I have seen "nerdy girls" pass me over for Chad. I am not going to tolerate this lying. Just admit that you like Chads but since Chads are assess you now want nerds but you prefer Chads who donkey punch during BDSM.

Ok well just because I had a preference at one point doesn’t mean I haven’t changed. I don’t want chads. Why can you not get that through your head? I’m not a lier. I’m just a person looking to get noticed by any guy that’s not like chad. I’m sorry that the girls you’ve had interest in ended up being morons. Does not mean you can project your experience as absolute proof of fact. That’s a biased out look.

If you picked Chad first that always has a bearing and you can't say that you hate Chads.

I don't hate women or resent men either, OP. I'm just an ugly deformed and boring person. I wouldn't go out with myself if I was a woman so I really have nothing to complain about. I try to make friends now and then and always fail but whatever. That's how it goes.

Still, fuck /r/IncelTears. It's a shit sub. lol

I find it kinda funny actually. It’s fun to make fun of the delusional sociopaths that don’t realize that they’re not an incel just a dumbass. The name of the sub Reddit is more misleading than accurate but it makes me more self aware.

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Good post.

No.

traitor

I'm not a traitor. I fully support not hating men or women.

females can't be incel...............................

Well I’ve never been considered attractive, I’ve never gotten close to someone, never had a girlfriend. I consider myself incel. Maybe a term for female incels should be made.

''Personally I’m kinda done with chads. I was in an abusive relationship last year and the dude was a total douche bag.''

You've never been with any one ay?

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1000% agree with you. It's just really frustrating knowing we'll never be in an LTR because of circumstances we largely haven't chosen.

Yea and it is frustrating. I hate the fact that I know no guy or girl will ever like me. But the only hope that I do have is that by changing my attitude on the matter maybe I’ll find someone that’ll love me for me.

That's a really good outlook, tbh I can't stop myself from wallowing In self pity all the time. That's kinda why I visit this sub, as fucked as it is. At least it distracts me from my self-loathing.

You shouldn’t self loath. It’ll only trap you in a mental state that you aren’t worth anything. I mean, I hate myself sometimes too but, I still try to have that out look that I can find love and respect of women if I look hard enough and keep high hopes.

if I want to find the one, then stop aiming so low, got it. Keep my high ass standards, and invalidate these roasties (Y)

Serious relationship that is. That wasn’t a serious relationship. Probably should’ve included that in.

females can't be incel, so don't use that word to describe yourself and insult us like that. you can definitely call yourself a female volcel though.

you still wont date anyone from here or FA, piss off fakecel

I would if they’re attitude was a bit more shaped up about finding love and they were a girl.

I would if they’re attitude was a bit more shaped up about finding love

You clearly haven't been on FA. Fuck off, attention whore.

Look at that. Another brand new account just to make one of these posts. So fucking transparent.

I actually used to use my older brothers account on here a while ago. I just got my own.

If you're looking for lezbo action you'll get it right after graduating from high school. if you're looking for a nerdy weaker type, you'll find plenty of desperate thirsty suitors literally at your fingertips.

You aren't incel, cut the crap and leave.

But I’m not looking for just that. I want to find someone compatible with me. Not just sexy lesbian shit. Not just a nerd. So fat anybody who I wanted a serious relationship has dejected me including nerds and girls. Please don’t act like you know what I want and who I am based off of a preference in people.

My point still stands though. If you have 200+ guys interested in you, chances are there's going to be someone both interested in a long term relationship and compatible with you. If your acceptability rate is really <0.5% then you're a terribly delusional person who needs to acquaint themself with reality.

No one, even hot girls have 200+ men chasing after them constantly like what planet are you on. Unless that's a celebrity women just don't have men after them 24/7. And as for standards Ok but couldn't the same thing he said about you? Let's say instead of 200 people being attracted to you meet meet 200 girls.

those who actually do find you attractive you weed them out.

Then the next process is do you get along with them?

Do they care about the same things you do ect.?

Are they even straight/gay (fitting into what you like)

Etc. depending on your criteria for dating

And they've gotta go through the same process according to their criteria.

So actually why should it be that women should acquaint themselves and lower their standards when you won't do the same?

No one, even hot girls have 200+ men chasing after them constantly like what planet are you on. Unless that's a celebrity women just don't have men after them 24/7.

Thing is youre wrong lmao

1800 matches in 12 hours https://lookism.net/Thread-Black-Pill-Stacylite-Tinder-Experiment-Results-1800-Matches-in-12-hours-Just-be-female

700 in 9 days for a "6/10"* https://lookism.net/Thread-UNREAL-OKCUPID-EXPERIMENT-i-got-700-matches-in-9-days-with-1-pic

And this thread didn't have numbers but the fact someone this unhygenic was getting ANY matches is alarming: https://imgur.com/a/L6q94

Plenty of other examples but I don't collect anything on my laptop and I can't go digging further now.

And they've gotta go through the same process according to their criteria. So actually why should it be that women should acquaint themselves and lower their standards when you won't do the same?

I really think these lines demonstrate that you really don't know anything about the community here. How are you weeding out and narrowing when you don't have ANY options to begin with? When guys say shit about ugly women here, they aren't really showing their true personal standards but attempting to mirror the intense hatred they feel is coming their way from women for their looks. I think I obviously know this place a lot more than you do and I can tell you personally that there are quite a few people here that WILL bend the knee for a 3/10 without question.

How can you as a gender mock the desperation and clinginess of males and then turn around and say that they are just as tough standards-wise as women? A false equivalence alarm bell should be going off in your head.

I really can't grasp how you aren't aware of this because I feel like I see this behavior everywhere.

OK - just because you can't get dates does in no way mean that women have it easier. I'm got google and you can google gender inequality and how it shows up... but I'll mention a few (wage gap, rates of domestic violence, less than 5% of women being on top of fortunate 500 companies, literally having their bodies legislated against (abortion))

Also attractiveness isn't objective, but let's just move past that for the moment.

I went to an all girls school, I know what a hot girls tinder looks like, and let me tell you even the really hot girls don't have 200 men in their Dms begging to go out with them (more on that later down the post)

And just because you match with 200+ men on tinder for example doesn't actually mean those 200 people would take them for a date.

Men like 46% of profiles and women like an average of 14%. (Numbers from tinder CEO IN 2014). But women are reporting that the number of matches are mostly unfollowed up or low effort. Actually if you see men swipe on tinder most of their answers are yes's and women's no's. This is for a bunch of reasons (women have personal safety to concern themselves with I.e. date rape and assault are huge factors to consider with online dating,)

And all your sources are completely anecdotal but lived experience on those women who mock you I'm sure you've been subject to. But to say that women esp fat women and women who don't fit beauty norms don't get mocked relentlessly either or called desperate, ugly, whores etc. is so misinformed and just shows you who has such a negative experience can't even empathise with women who are in the same boat as you. (Again going off the idea that incels are conventionally unattractive and thus can't get a woman).

Also with tinder matches (or online dating generally) I've met that many men who match with conventionally unattractive women just to then be cruel to them online.

So I guess my question is how does hating conventionally attractive women for not dating you mean that it's ok to be just as cruel to the women who are conventionally unattractive, or the female version of unattractive just as incels complain they are

but I'll mention a few, wage gap

Wage gap has been widely debunked by economists. It doesn't take into account women on average demand more time off, women not willing to work nearly as many hours, or how women aren't nearly as willing to work dangerous or undesirable jobs. It's not the businesses fault women need 6 months of maternity leave.

rates of domestic violence,

Women are usually automatically considered the victim in most domestic instances even despite having evidence to the contrary in some cases. Not saying it isn't a problem, but you can pretend like the general consensus isn't "men can't be domestic violence victims."

less than 5% of women being on top of fortunate 500 companies

Again this goes back to what I stated earlier. That gender studies degree isn't going to get you at the top of a fortunate 500 company.

literally having their bodies legislated against (abortion))

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I am personally 100% in favor of abortion. What I'm not in favor of is women being able to quickly and easily opt out of child responsibility by use of safe havens, abortion, or relinquishing rights to the father. I as a man can't do anything of the sort and my fate is entirely in the mother of my child's hands. If I don't want to pay for a child I didn't want, too fucking bad! I can get my wages garnished or risk prison time when she had every opportunity to opt out since the beginning.

I went to an all girls school, I know what a hot girls tinder looks like, and let me tell you even the really hot girls don't have 200 men in their Dms begging to go out with them (more on that later down the post)

You were just shown evidence of a fairly attractive woman getting over 1800 matches. What are you even talking about

And just because you match with 200+ men on tinder for example doesn't actually mean those 200 people would take them for a date.

Irrelevant, it's the validation that matters. And you know as well as I do that's bullocks. You're trying to tell me that not one of the 200+ matches wouldn't take them out on a date? Ludicrous.

Men like 46% of profiles and women like an average of 14%. (Numbers from tinder CEO IN 2014).

Just fucking lol.

But women are reporting that the number of matches are mostly unfollowed up or low effort.

So what? For a lot of guys 1 match that isn't a bot is better than nothing let alone 200+

Actually if you see men swipe on tinder most of their answers are yes's and women's no's. This is for a bunch of reasons (women have personal safety to concern themselves with I.e. date rape and assault are huge factors to consider with online dating,)

Correlation doesn't equal causation. You have no idea the reasons why, even though all the evidence is pointing to it being attractiveness, not "level of safety they feel" when it comes to matching on tinder.

And all your sources are completely anecdotal but lived experience on those women who mock you I'm sure you've been subject to.

Complains about anecdotal examples - only rebuttal pretty much has been "No! no it's not like that in my opinion!!"

But to say that women esp fat women and women who don't fit beauty norms don't get mocked relentlessly either or called desperate, ugly, whores etc. is so misinformed and just shows you who has such a negative experience can't even empathise with women who are in the same boat as you.

I agree with you that fat or ugly women get plenty of vitriol spewed at them but the difference here is the support system. A fat chick could go on a sub like r/twoxchromosomes complaining about practically anything and it'll be upvoted relentlessly. Women are told they are healthy at any size and deserve "nothing but the best" without being expected to put in work themselves while men are told to "man up" and get the fuck over it.

Also with tinder matches (or online dating generally) I've met that many men who match with conventionally unattractive women just to then be cruel to them online.

"All your sources are completely anecdotal.................."

So I guess my question is how does hating conventionally attractive women for not dating you mean that it's ok to be just as cruel to the women who are conventionally unattractive, or the female version of unattractive just as incels complain they are

I'm not the OP you were talking too so this doesn't really apply to me. I'm also not an Incel even though it really seems otherwise lol. I don't hate anyone for their looks I hate the double standards. But I would agree that Incels partake in a lot of hypocritical behavior.

Ok the wage gap has absolutely been proven, and just because there is discourse where some don't agree the majority actually do and have recognised the wage gap is real. If you deny that that's just denying a fact.

I'm absolutely not pretending men don't face domestic violence, they do, just at a disproportionate level that women do.

1800 matches is again one scenario, in one city with a large population - not a standard or average of match levels.

Anecdotal evidence backed up by no actual research is bullshit, but lived experiences should be taken into account here. Considering the intricacies of online/dating in general it's perfectly reasonable for me to say that your evidence is anecdotal but your lived experience is fair game for some arguments.

Correlation doesn't equal causation, but in this case it's a polled sociological fact that women worry more about their safety than men when online (& IRL) dating.

Yeah they do get vitriol and yes there are outspoken groups to support these women, but make no mistake the population that spews hate at them is far far larger than the population that helps them. And absolutely there should be spaces and conversations to be had about how we as humans treat those with physical differences or who aren't considered attractive. But if you feel so strongly about it why not create a group that actually has positivity? I mean it's all well and good to want to complain, but women aren't evil creatures just because they won't sleep with you. Don't get me wrong here people (women) that mock you or call you cruel names aren't kind people.

Notwithstanding - women that don't want to sleep worth you aren't always mocking you or are trying to be cruel. Sometimes you're just not their type. Sorry but it happens. That's dating, it happens. Not every person I'm attracted to likes me back either. Whether that's because of the way i look, act, my politics or how I dress etc. it happens. Oh well.

You can't blame the whole gender for not being attracted to you...attraction is complex and not fully understood, and yeah beauty norms play a huge role in that. I'm not saying that because someone doesn't fit into the standard of beauty they are less deserving of love. That's not at all what's going on here. Those who are outside of beauty Norms ON BOTH SIDES suffer from cruelty.

I'd lastly like to say that because you can't get a date in no way means that women have it easier because "they're more likely to get dates". How people experience the world is not just in dating but in how people treat them.

Ideas about competence, in academics, sport and so on have gender roles attached... meaning that how I, as a woman experience the world is not just the small aspect of my dating life. My life is work and school and friends and family and institutions and news.

Being a woman comes along with how the world interacts with you and how it treats you, or what biases are put against you. What people expect of you and so forth.

Women are not a singular people all the same. Some of us are kind, some of us are dickheads, I'm not claiming superiority here - nor am I saying that you've not faced problems in your dating life. But again - girls for not dating you malicious act. It's not a personal offence in itself.

Claiming that men are oppressed and have it harder than women doesn't look at the whole of how women are treated, nor does it acknowledge that women are people that have historically been put down, and have been disadvantaged from the get go. This isn't a radical thought - it's a sociological fact.

Ok the wage gap has absolutely been proven, and just because there is discourse where some don't agree the majority actually do and have recognised the wage gap is real. If you deny that that's just denying a fact.

There isssssss a gap but the cause isn't because of flippin sexism. It's due to the reasons I highlighted. Get a grip on reality.

I'm absolutely not pretending men don't face domestic violence, they do, just at a disproportionate level that women do.

"Who gets it more" is rather irrelevant. This doesn't excuse favoritism and unequal punishment distribution.

1800 matches is again one scenario, in one city with a large population - not a standard or average of match levels.

Again, irrelevant. We can bring up hundreds of examples.

Anecdotal evidence backed up by no actual research is bullshit, but lived experiences should be taken into account here.

Tell me the difference between an anecdotal account and you telling me about your "lived experience."

Considering the intricacies of online/dating in general it's perfectly reasonable for me to say that your evidence is anecdotal but your lived experience is fair game for some arguments.

Still not understanding the difference.

Anecdote: a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.

Correlation doesn't equal causation, but in this case it's a polled sociological fact that women worry more about their safety than men when online (& IRL) dating.

Then explain some of the examples I can give which shows tinder accounts clearly displaying the person as an abusive douchebag yet they still swipe right. Some women care about their safety, and whole hell of a lot of them are reckless.

Yeah they do get vitriol and yes there are outspoken groups to support these women, but make no mistake the population that spews hate at them is far far larger than the population that helps them.

We can say that about the Incels too, yet you don't give a shit about them.

And absolutely there should be spaces and conversations to be had about how we as humans treat those with physical differences or who aren't considered attractive. But if you feel so strongly about it why not create a group that actually has positivity?

Me personally? It's not my job. I again don't care that strongly about it, I care about the double standards. If you're going to complain about women's issues you have to recognize that a lot of their issues effect men as well, and also that men have less rights than women currently.

I mean it's all well and good to want to complain, but women aren't evil creatures just because they won't sleep with you.

Again not an incel but for a lot of them it's more than just because they won't sleep with them. It's having every attempt, even with uglier chicks, fail due to the entitled attitudes of a lot of women. Men have it too, yes, but many women have it ingrained in them at a young age. But we can get into more of that later.

Don't get me wrong here people (women) that mock you or call you cruel names aren't kind people.

Again not an Incel but just with your argument about fat people, there are more women mocking Incels than the other way around.

Notwithstanding - women that don't want to sleep worth you aren't always mocking you or are trying to be cruel.

Thanks for repeating that line lol.

Sometimes you're just not their type. Sorry but it happens. That's dating, it happens. Not every person I'm attracted to likes me back either. Whether that's because of the way i look, act, my politics or how I dress etc. it happens. Oh well.

Again, not an Incel, so this argument doesn't apply to me. I already agree with you.

You can't blame the whole gender for not being attracted to you...attraction is complex and not fully understood, and yeah beauty norms play a huge role in that. I'm not saying thatI'm because someone doesn't fit into the standard of beauty they are less deserving of love. That's not at all what's going on here. Those who are outside of beauty Norms ON BOTH SIDES suffer from cruelty.

..... sigh. Again, not an Incel lol this doesn't apply to me and doesn't address what I was talking about prior.

I'd lastly like to say that because you can't get a date in no way means that women have it easier because "they're more likely to get dates". How people experience the world is not just in dating but in how people treat them.

I had sex last night.

Ideas about competence, in academics, sport and so on have gender roles attached... meaning that how I, as a woman experience the world is not just the small aspect of my dating life. My life is work and school and friends and family and institutions and news.

What are you even talking about anymore.

Being a woman comes along with how the world interacts with you and how it treats you, or what biases are put against you. What people expect of you and so forth.

EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. HAS BIASES. Men are treated like ATM's and expected to be providers, strong, witty but not nerdy, funny not but corny, ect. Stop pretending like women are the only ones effected by biases.

Women are not a singular people all the same. Some of us are kind, some of us are dickheads, I'm not claiming superiority here - nor am I saying that you've not faced problems in your dating life. But again - girls for not dating you malicious act. It's not a personal offence in itself.

Never said or claimed, any of that. Did you read my comment at all?

Claiming that men are oppressed and have it harder than women doesn't look at the whole of how women are treated, nor does it acknowledge that women are people that have historically been put down, and have been disadvantaged from the get go. This isn't a radical thought - it's a sociological fact.

Every culture on the face of this planet has experienced oppression. The Jew's, the Chinese, the Russians, the English, the women, the men, the atheists, the gay's, the blacks, the whites, EVERYONE. YOU. ARE NOT. SPECIAL. IN THIS REGARD. I'm not claiming men have it harder, I'm claiming men have it equally as bad if not a tiny bit worse. Women have more rights than men in this country. (USA) Women are treated better by society. Taken seriously with mental health problems or rapes. Given leniency on crimes while giving harsher punishments to men for the same crime. You have more reproductive rights, you can opt out of child responsibility while men simply can't. There are more battered women and homeless shelters for women than there are men despite men being 80% of the population. There are no rights currently in the western world that you are being denied. Any height a woman wants to reach, she can. We have female doctors, lawyers, judges, congressman, prime ministers, commanders, police officers, the list goes on and fucking on. Why not fight for women's rights where it fucking matters, like third world countries or Saudi Arabia. You realize they just got the right the drive only a few years ago?

Check your privilege.

You are trying to deny reality.

Give me the picture any woman and I will get more that 200 matches in a day. Put me in the body of any woman for a few days and I will be able to have more sex than any man on will have in a lifetime and I'd still get into long-term relationship no issues. The fact is that women cannot be incel.

Reading this makes my blood boil. Your life experience is so completely different from mine that you can't even see where you have it easier in life compared to other people.

In fact, I have to ask why you're even here If all your going to do is spout dumb platitudes.

dejected me including nerds

You're disgusting.

may as well have just called them subhumans tbh

200+ people though don’t want me. I’m undesirable. I’m deaf, I’m as flat as a plank, most guys even the nerds don’t like me for that.

Oh dear, seriously? You're feeling victimized because "most" guys don't want you?

Clearly it's over for her.

I’m deaf

There's nothing unattractive about being deaf, whether you mean slightly hearing impaired or >tfw no audio at all.

I’m as flat as a plank

That's qt3.14 and most guys find it very attractive

Two lies

I would date her right now

Do you wanna go out with me? I'm interested in you.

I didn’t mean to come off as victimizing myself. Im just saying that I’m generally in the same boat. Half the people on here feel undesirable too for they’re looks and for the fact that they’ve been dejected multiple times as well. The one dude who I practically begged to date me ended up being an asshole and I essentially told myself “never again”. I don’t think anybody wants me.

You're having a meltdown because Chad ended up being a scam. Not equivalent at all.

Maybe you don't have 200+ suitors now, but when you get out of high school, all you'll need to do is open up a Tinder or OKCupid and let the results come flying in. Hell, you can even ask for applicants here if you so wanted to. Wherever you are, you'll have options just from being a functional non-geriatric female.

Don't believe me? Here are two examples of what I'm talking about: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163480421 https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168948903

Surely you aren't worse looking than the second one. You're just like every other histrionic kid that comes here, male and female, who will literally have it figured out by freshman year of college if not sooner.

And yea I kinda already knew I was disgusting. As told by many of the students at my school and by my parents.

Not really sure where you got the meltdown part from. I don’t think that’s really happening. All I’m saying is that I’m genetically undesirable. I’ve tried tinder. No body wanted me. I’ve tried to look beautiful but nobody wanted me. I’m 100% sure that I’m a Virgin for life. I felt like this place was relatable in a sense that everyone else also feels outta place in society and in search of somebody to love. This post was to say is that I get it but I won’t resent anybody but myself. Sorry that I offended you by being a chick who gets the struggle of being someone who nobody wants.

I'll date you. I don't care what you look like. We're both incel so we know what the hell is up, right? I'm no Chad, nor am I a Tyrone but I'll go out with you and validate your appearance even if it's literally 1/10.

We're incel, right? We're aiming for the bottom because nobody else wants us, right?

How many people did you ask out on tinder before you gave up?

You speak much truth.

I laugh at people who completely simplify humankind into Chad, Stacey, and the persecuted martyrs.

I was incel until 32 and didn't hate women either. But you're not just "not hating" women - you're idolizing them.

They’re caring and compassionate

Some are. Some aren't. For many, the caring and compassion is conditional on the other person being attractive.

they’ve made me understand that it’s not them who have hurt me but me myself

No, I'm pretty sure that when women would randomly insult my appearance and lack of masculinity it was them hurting me, not myself. And it's predominantly women who do it to me. Or when a club or bar doesn't allow me to enter because of my appearance, that's also not me hurting myself - that's me being hurt by unrealistically high standards set by women. And so on. If you've really never been hurt by a woman or something women do, then good for you, but that's no reason to idolize them so much. It's possible to recognize the problems with women's behavior without it devolving into a generalized hatred of the whole gender.

And I’m the one who hates myself not them.

Are you sure? Because plenty of women do hate me, on first sight even. As I went from hating myself to accepting myself, that didn't change. When I hated myself, I would run into women who hated me. When now I accept myself, I still run into such women.

Wow I am so sorry that they would do that to you. That’s disgusting of them and they’re awful people. And thank you for saying that in some circumstances it can be them hurting you or myself. But I’m talking about the generalized idea that all of them are evil (which they aren’t) . Sorry if I sent the message that they don’t have some blame too.

Um, what? Did you forget to log into your alt?

I agree but women can't be incels unless there 1/10. Btw you should leave chad chasing whore.

I don’t want chad though. I don’t want that why would you think that I would want some troglodyte moron who walks over people whenever he feels like it.

Chad is just a 10/10 male he doesn't have to be a jock douche he could be the quite shy kid or the kewl skateboard kid all that matters is that he has a good face frame and height.

Because had is intellignet

Get tf off this subreddit you dumb roastie cunt. Crying about how Chad doesn't want you and "only nerds" do. This is why we shouldn't allow stupid bitches on this subreddit; they are simply incapable of practical self-awareness.

Stop crying

That is the entire purpose of this sub existing tho

No it isn't

You're not even a virgin, dumb slut. Women can't be incel. Your post is why I hate all women.

Fuck if you're incel and you want to get rid of it with an equally emotionally damaged person I'm right here.

To all femoid incels: I will be available until one of you actually acts like an incel and takes the first thing that throws itself at you.

Unless she's fat.

There's a big difference between fat and obese, my man. As long as she can get along with ease, I'm game.

Wouldn't be an incel if I weren't.

Fuck off. Dumb roastie cunt.

I want to thank you for posting this...often times this subreddit devolves into a hate-orgy. Generalizing all women is cope. I'm also a wizard and painting all women as the enemy is the wrong move. I will never get laid. Why? Looks. I will never doubt that. I disagree with the sentiment "stop aiming so low" Aiming low isn't stopping me from being a normal person....It's my fucking jawline. I will never be able to be treated or act like a normal human being because of how I look. I don't resent the world, but I also don't expect humans to treat me any differently; but this doesn't allow me; carte-blanche to be an asshole.

Beta orbiter found.

Beta orbiter found.

Fucking die

WRONG SUB ATTENTION WHORE

ITT: Incels getting their panties in a bunch

Whats good with these 'female incels'? Are they LARPing or actually mad they cant fuck chad?

You actually sound like a decent person, not sure why you should classify yourself as an 'incel', these people are toxic enough. This is no place to be.

Sometimes reality has to drag you. You can't run from reality forever, and eventually, you have to accept the truth. Truth and reality are peace to the mind. This is why IT cucks are so obsessed with us; they refuse to accept the truth.

Personally I’m kinda done with chads. I was in an abusive relationship last year and the dude was a total douche bag. I prefer nerdy intellectuals and don’t care much for a guy who’s over the top about looks.

I want nerd Chad TEE HEEE

LEAVE.

What a shit fucking post

You my friend, are a fucking pig. Who loves fucking other pigs.

Pigs mog me facially

LOL

Top level satire

You could have sex with any incel here if you asked, this post is nonsense.

speak for yourself

Both of you are objectively retarded. This is decision is final and is not to be reconsidered.

You hate yourself.

Great post man, you’ve a lot more chance simply because of that decency. I’d certainly vouch for ya

Good little cucky, blame yourself while they fuck Chad for being born good looking.

If it makes you fell better I'm a Chad who was born an ugly nerd. I grew into chadhood after high school.

I doubt you were ever ugly, probably just unkept.

Does it make a difference? I was out of shape, unkept and had disproportionate features. I had friends with all the "bad bone structure" I see talked about here who were more attractive than me because they got rid of their acne through constant care and had a healthy diet and exercise so they were ripped.

It does make a difference. You can easily fix being unkept. The only way to fix bone structure is through surgery.

Or you highlight good features and even if you don't have any downplay bad features. Bone structure doesn't matter to girls who like big muscles or someone funny. Like I said, this friend of mine had bad bone structure but was ripped and funny so it didn't matter.

He had bad bone structure? So his jaw is narrow and non-defined, his chin is small and recessed, his cheekbones are non-defined and his face is droopy from bad bone support?

Not incel, just bluepilled simp. If that's the way you wanna live then that's your choice man.

Funny post.

L M A O

This is what your average """""""""""""""incel""""""""""""""" femoid is like.

I don't blame femoids too, but they are kinda pathetic, liars, overgrown children with no ability to laugh at themselves.

Dude the fuck is wrong with you, that is the most pathetic statement I've ever heard, how can you possibly think that every"femoid" has the same personallity, is it because you are to much of a asshole to get near anyone let alone a girl?

you think assholes have trouble getting near girloids? In terms of sex matters they are probably all the same.

Well you're an asshole and you have trouble getting near women right?

i'm only average looking asshle

I jerk off to my fat history teacher. One can say she has nice looking tits. I just wish she was my stepmother so I could suck on them while she was asleep.

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See, this is what I don´t get about you guys. It´s obvious that you don´t like women, yet you obsess about sex. I guess you´re (theoretically) heterosexual, so why don´t you just go to a prostitute? Just don´t let the misogynist hang out too much, you´ll probably get hurt more than you anticipate...

Fuck off IT cuck.

This is full of normies

This 'incel' is under 18 and practices BDSM. Not the most incel of activities dude lmao

Gud incel

I was with Chad but he turned out to be abusive :( but that was the past, I realize I like nerds now :)) see there are female incels too!!

lmao

I am officially done with this sub, cucked beyond belief, stuff like this gets upvoted, a female mod that posts on IT, reasonable comments get downvoted to oblivion. Elliot Rodger and St.BlackOps would be disgusted.

Like why is this person even posting here, OP is an under 18 year old girl who has dated chads

This is the most cucked load of blue-pilled horseshit I've seen in a good long while, and it's upvoted through the roof. It's over.

Yeah, this I'd absolute bullshit.

They aren’t looking for “chads” or anything like that.

Girls don't talk about looking for chads with their beta orbiters in the room.

If you want to find the one then stop aiming so low, be understanding of they’re feelings beyond just wanting sex and realize that love or sex shouldn’t be treated as a game.

Love or sex don't care that you don't think they should be treated as a game.

If you choose the right actions, you might get the outcome you want.

If you DO NOT PLAN your romantic life, I positively, absolutely guarantee you that you will have a bad time if you DO manage to land a woman. If you just "go with the flow" you'll wind up divorced with ugly child support and alimony payments.

Your career is a game. Finance is a game. Business is a game.

Why wouldn't strategy and planning be part of love and romance?

Do you honestly think that girls and women aren't playing games with men?

Have you not noticed some women with a game plan of "have lots of great sex with hot guys" until age 27 and then "marry a guy who is financially stable and also sexy enough to be okay with" after 27?

I'm with you about not hating, though. Getting mad at men and women who play the game is like getting mad at the rain for pouring.

Nice satire

removed for generalising this sub

Wow, it took you guys 16 hours to do anything about this?

i am the only mod who does this

i have been distracted from posting/ modding because windows 10 disabled my headphones and uninstalled all my programs and drivers so that's what i've been handling

You're the only mod who enforces the no generalizing rule?

only one who enforces it stringently

Lol

Is not like hating women will suddenly fix your problems, or get you laid anyway.

Ok then. Go ahead and call me that. Because clearly you haven’t at all gotten the message that I was trying to send.

I’m a girl so maybe not a cuck. I don’t hate women because I actually want a girlfriend or boyfriend and a serious relationship. A cuck is a douche bag that’s chill with being a douche bag.

But I don’t like chads. I much rather prefer nerdy intellectuals then some dumbass who thinks he can just have me because he’s genetically well made.

All females say this but they are lying including you. In your post history it says you were with an abusive Chad and you like BDSM.

So erm no. You are nothing like us and you are like all other females, lying Chad chasers.

I think your forgetting the part where I learned my lesson, and decided that I didn’t want those people. And so what if I like bdsm? I think it’s hot.

I chose a chad first because I was dumb and 15. I didn’t understand the consequences of that behavior and thought I would be cooler. Now I just don’t want that. Also I like bdsm with girls so...

If you're looking for lezbo action you'll get it right after graduating from high school. if you're looking for a nerdy weaker type, you'll find plenty of desperate thirsty suitors literally at your fingertips.

You aren't incel, cut the crap and leave.

Well once again your missing the point of that. I went with him when I was 15 and inexperienced. He didn’t even want me. I like nerds. And always have cause I am one. I chose him out of fear of not being cool not because I found him to be a good match. I despise him now. And I want something different. People are complicated and I feel like your trying to put me into a box when really I’ve acknowledged that I’ve made mistakes but I’ve also learned from them. Don’t act like you know who I am just because I went out with a chad for 6 months and like bdsm. Because clearly your so delusional that every women is the same that you are holding yourself back from making connections with someone. You could’ve acted mature and treated me like a human being but clearly you can’t and I think that is why you are also an incel. Grow up.

Ok well just because I had a preference at one point doesn’t mean I haven’t changed. I don’t want chads. Why can you not get that through your head? I’m not a lier. I’m just a person looking to get noticed by any guy that’s not like chad. I’m sorry that the girls you’ve had interest in ended up being morons. Does not mean you can project your experience as absolute proof of fact. That’s a biased out look.

If it makes you fell better I'm a Chad who was born an ugly nerd. I grew into chadhood after high school.

Dude the fuck is wrong with you, that is the most pathetic statement I've ever heard, how can you possibly think that every"femoid" has the same personallity, is it because you are to much of a asshole to get near anyone let alone a girl?

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Does it make a difference? I was out of shape, unkept and had disproportionate features. I had friends with all the "bad bone structure" I see talked about here who were more attractive than me because they got rid of their acne through constant care and had a healthy diet and exercise so they were ripped.

Well you're an asshole and you have trouble getting near women right?

I would if they’re attitude was a bit more shaped up about finding love

You clearly haven't been on FA. Fuck off, attention whore.

See, this is what I don´t get about you guys. It´s obvious that you don´t like women, yet you obsess about sex. I guess you´re (theoretically) heterosexual, so why don´t you just go to a prostitute? Just don´t let the misogynist hang out too much, you´ll probably get hurt more than you anticipate...

You're the only mod who enforces the no generalizing rule?

Ok the wage gap has absolutely been proven, and just because there is discourse where some don't agree the majority actually do and have recognised the wage gap is real. If you deny that that's just denying a fact.

There isssssss a gap but the cause isn't because of flippin sexism. It's due to the reasons I highlighted. Get a grip on reality.

I'm absolutely not pretending men don't face domestic violence, they do, just at a disproportionate level that women do.

"Who gets it more" is rather irrelevant. This doesn't excuse favoritism and unequal punishment distribution.

1800 matches is again one scenario, in one city with a large population - not a standard or average of match levels.

Again, irrelevant. We can bring up hundreds of examples.

Anecdotal evidence backed up by no actual research is bullshit, but lived experiences should be taken into account here.

Tell me the difference between an anecdotal account and you telling me about your "lived experience."

Considering the intricacies of online/dating in general it's perfectly reasonable for me to say that your evidence is anecdotal but your lived experience is fair game for some arguments.

Still not understanding the difference.

Anecdote: a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.

Correlation doesn't equal causation, but in this case it's a polled sociological fact that women worry more about their safety than men when online (& IRL) dating.

Then explain some of the examples I can give which shows tinder accounts clearly displaying the person as an abusive douchebag yet they still swipe right. Some women care about their safety, and whole hell of a lot of them are reckless.

Yeah they do get vitriol and yes there are outspoken groups to support these women, but make no mistake the population that spews hate at them is far far larger than the population that helps them.

We can say that about the Incels too, yet you don't give a shit about them.

And absolutely there should be spaces and conversations to be had about how we as humans treat those with physical differences or who aren't considered attractive. But if you feel so strongly about it why not create a group that actually has positivity?

Me personally? It's not my job. I again don't care that strongly about it, I care about the double standards. If you're going to complain about women's issues you have to recognize that a lot of their issues effect men as well, and also that men have less rights than women currently.

I mean it's all well and good to want to complain, but women aren't evil creatures just because they won't sleep with you.

Again not an incel but for a lot of them it's more than just because they won't sleep with them. It's having every attempt, even with uglier chicks, fail due to the entitled attitudes of a lot of women. Men have it too, yes, but many women have it ingrained in them at a young age. But we can get into more of that later.

Don't get me wrong here people (women) that mock you or call you cruel names aren't kind people.

Again not an Incel but just with your argument about fat people, there are more women mocking Incels than the other way around.

Notwithstanding - women that don't want to sleep worth you aren't always mocking you or are trying to be cruel.

Thanks for repeating that line lol.

Sometimes you're just not their type. Sorry but it happens. That's dating, it happens. Not every person I'm attracted to likes me back either. Whether that's because of the way i look, act, my politics or how I dress etc. it happens. Oh well.

Again, not an Incel, so this argument doesn't apply to me. I already agree with you.

You can't blame the whole gender for not being attracted to you...attraction is complex and not fully understood, and yeah beauty norms play a huge role in that. I'm not saying thatI'm because someone doesn't fit into the standard of beauty they are less deserving of love. That's not at all what's going on here. Those who are outside of beauty Norms ON BOTH SIDES suffer from cruelty.

..... sigh. Again, not an Incel lol this doesn't apply to me and doesn't address what I was talking about prior.

I'd lastly like to say that because you can't get a date in no way means that women have it easier because "they're more likely to get dates". How people experience the world is not just in dating but in how people treat them.

I had sex last night.

Ideas about competence, in academics, sport and so on have gender roles attached... meaning that how I, as a woman experience the world is not just the small aspect of my dating life. My life is work and school and friends and family and institutions and news.

What are you even talking about anymore.

Being a woman comes along with how the world interacts with you and how it treats you, or what biases are put against you. What people expect of you and so forth.

EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. HAS BIASES. Men are treated like ATM's and expected to be providers, strong, witty but not nerdy, funny not but corny, ect. Stop pretending like women are the only ones effected by biases.

Women are not a singular people all the same. Some of us are kind, some of us are dickheads, I'm not claiming superiority here - nor am I saying that you've not faced problems in your dating life. But again - girls for not dating you malicious act. It's not a personal offence in itself.

Never said or claimed, any of that. Did you read my comment at all?

Claiming that men are oppressed and have it harder than women doesn't look at the whole of how women are treated, nor does it acknowledge that women are people that have historically been put down, and have been disadvantaged from the get go. This isn't a radical thought - it's a sociological fact.

Every culture on the face of this planet has experienced oppression. The Jew's, the Chinese, the Russians, the English, the women, the men, the atheists, the gay's, the blacks, the whites, EVERYONE. YOU. ARE NOT. SPECIAL. IN THIS REGARD. I'm not claiming men have it harder, I'm claiming men have it equally as bad if not a tiny bit worse. Women have more rights than men in this country. (USA) Women are treated better by society. Taken seriously with mental health problems or rapes. Given leniency on crimes while giving harsher punishments to men for the same crime. You have more reproductive rights, you can opt out of child responsibility while men simply can't. There are more battered women and homeless shelters for women than there are men despite men being 80% of the population. There are no rights currently in the western world that you are being denied. Any height a woman wants to reach, she can. We have female doctors, lawyers, judges, congressman, prime ministers, commanders, police officers, the list goes on and fucking on. Why not fight for women's rights where it fucking matters, like third world countries or Saudi Arabia. You realize they just got the right the drive only a few years ago?

Check your privilege.