Numales aren't incels but rather they're not very sexually experienced beyond very few relationships with either landwhales or plain jane types who are closet sluts.
In the military all the failed normies ask to go to Japan and Korea because it's their only chance at getting laid. LOL. I'd even go but at least I don't pretend I'm good with women.
I’m not meaning being gay, I mean being a pathetic coper. God isn’t real and we all know it deep down. If you can’t accept the truth then leave, this isn’t the place for you.
Also if he was real he wouldn’t love 0/10 gentrash like me so why should I give a shit?
If I can decipher what you’re trying to say, yes. Most deformed, poor and starving people will lead horrible lives and die in misery while rich chad will live his entire life with no struggle.
Face it, god is the biggest cope in history. It’s OVER. WE AIN’T GOING TO HEAVEN NOR HELL.
Body builders are not natural, women often comment they don't like them because they look alien.
Straight women however universally prefer stronger men, this is why "lift" is advice that people (including women) give here constantly. Strength is the second most important desirable trait after face. If what you were saying was true, being a nerd wouldn't be associated with being low-social status. Women would be flocking over the four eyed "point-dexter" rather than Chad the football quarter back.
Body builders are not natural, women often comment they don't like them because they look alien.
Straight women however universally prefer stronger men, this is why "lift" is advice that people (including women) give here constantly.
Lol yea just like "normies" always say to shower.
When people say hit the gym it's because all the pictures of "ugly" guys that incels find are Rencel or Stimpycel.
It means be fit, it doesn't mean become a literal body builder.
Strength is the second most important desirable trait after face. If what you were saying was true, being a nerd wouldn't be associated with being low-social status. Women would be flocking over the four eyed "point-dexter" rather than Chad the football quarter back.
Geek chic is a thing in real life. The media is going to hype of athletes though obviously because sports is such an important industry.
If you're talking about an out of shape geek the of course that's an issue.
Incels have this habit of showing the opposite extreme as of it proves something about the other extreme.
Having a six pack isn't average or even fucking normal for humans. Yet a man with a six pack is fucking universally seen as more attractive than the average male body.
A good looking guy that looks strong but isn't is going to have a lot more success than a strong guy that is short/small framed. C'mon man no women cares about how much you can lift, they care about aesthetics. You think women knew how much george clooney could lift when he was the main sex idol? What about young brad pitt?
That's not the claim. It's not that humans "must" it's that they do(clearly). Also humans being the exception is not the default position and I would like an explanation as to why us being moren intelligent than animals would suddenly remove adapation in our brains that were before the brain had devloped this capacity for intelligence instead of just adding unto it.(the way the brain is structured it is clear evolution tends to add new specialized regions over the older,more associated with base inctincts parts of the brain.
I'd refine and say it's not strength itself that is prized, it's the certain traits in a persons look that has been associated with strength that women are subconsciously attracted too.
That's not the claim. It's not that humans "must" it's that they do(clearly). Also humans being the exception is not the default position and I would like an explanation as to why us being more intelligent than animals would suddenly remove adapations in our brains that were before the brain had developed this capacity for intelligence instead of just adding unto it.(the way the brain is structured it is clear evolution tends to add new specialized regions over the older,more associated with base instincts parts of the brain.
Because never have we shared the same mating habits as other animals. If we did we would have never surpassed them.
I'd refine and say it's not strength itself that is prized, it's the certain traits in a persons look that has been associated with strength that women are subconsciously attracted too.
Okay fine, but you still can't say it's just raw strength or size. Cunning and skill are obviously huge factors that humans excel at.
And you can't pretend like there was a time before that is somehow representstive of how we "really" are. That's the same type of deceptive spin as claiming that we used to be in a magical garden, and a snake told our great ancestral grand mother to sin
Look I’m a normal guy. I’ve been with plenty of women and I’ve been friends with a lot more.
Honestly you generalise just as much as the black pill. There are many women who choose the jacked guys, it’s a common thing people find attractive, hell ive dated one whom all of her previous partners were all jacked including one ex partner who was a wrestler (the fake one). You pretending that it’s not a common attractive trait is not helping anyone.
Also the Jesus body? What the hell? Jesus was poor, impoverished and probably emaciated. His body would be extremely unhealthy looking. If your talking about the artistic representations of the crucifix, then the way he looks will look different depending on the time period and their reflective views. Oh and if your talking about his depiction as chest out and stomach in, thats because of the extremely uncomfortable position that crucifixtion puts you in. It’s basically equivalent of sucking in your gut. Except in this case that position actually kills you.
Oh and there was a study that showed that women prefer strength in males. You know an actual scientific study.
Women vary widely in their tastes but you have to be really trying to bullshit people when you say there arnt commonalities. Women do like strong guys and have the looks that reflect that.
Honestly I think you just take the opinion of your wife and think that relates to every single woman on the planet. Your wife is NOT every woman.
Look I’m a normal guy. I’ve been with plenty of women and I’ve been friends with a lot more.
Honestly you generalise just as much as the black pill. There are many women who choose the jacked guys, it’s a common thing people find attractive, hell ive dated one whom all of her previous partners were all jacked including one ex partner who was a wrestler (the fake one). You pretending that it’s not a common attractive trait is not helping anyone.
I never said it was uncommon or did I say it didn't exist. The premise here is always that someone has cracked the code and figured out the true eugenics standards for male attraction that all women agree with. The ones who disagree are lying etc.
Also the Jesus body? What the hell? Jesus was poor, impoverished and probably emaciated. His body would be extremely unhealthy looking. If your talking about the artistic representations of the crucifix, then the way he looks will look different depending on the time period and their reflective views. Oh and if your talking about his depiction as chest out and stomach in, thats because of the extremely uncomfortable position that crucifixtion puts you in. It’s basically equivalent of sucking in your gut. Except in this case that position actually kills you.
You know what I mean. The reason why artists choose that body type is that it's the most aesthetically pleasing.
Ripped guys are only seen in niche art like fantasy and super hero stuff.
Oh and there was a study that showed that women prefer strength in males. You know an actual scientific study.
Women vary widely in their tastes but you have to be really trying to bullshit people when you say there arnt commonalities. There’s a reason it’s called conventional attractiveness...because it’s convention. Women do like strong guys and have the looks that reflect that.
There are conventional standards but that's among media representation. The media pushes different standards that drastically shift. Rarely do they actually match up with the majority of people though. It's similar to how politicians are promoted.
Honestly I think you just take the opinion of your wife and think that relates to every single woman on the planet. Your wife is NOT every woman.
My wife isn't the only woman I've ever known. I'm a normie who's known and know plenty of people and to be frank I'm just the messenger and explaining things I've learned from them paired with insight from my observations as a normie male.
I never said it was uncommon nor did I say it didn’t exist
You literally said that it’s as common as finding guys who are into girls poop....
The premise here is always that someone has cracked the code and figured out the true eugenics standards for male attraction that all women agree with.
So you challenge this by saying the jesus body is the true standard for male attraction that all women agree with...
artists choose that body type is that it’s the most aesthetically pleasing.
Bad example.. Since most art of the crucifix comes from the renaissance im gonna give some other examples of that time period. Michaelangelos david. Adam and god on the roof of the sistine chapel. Vitruvian man. All these came from the same period of time and all depict muscular men who definitely did not have the jesus body. But you know artists wouldnt choose it because its not aesthetically pleasing.. By that token most classical art, from ancient greece show adonis like bodies.. But then again this is at least 500 years ago..
Ripped guys are only seen in niche art like fantasy and super hero stuff.
No.... Get outside once in a while or hell watch a dam movie or a romance boom with fabio on the cover. If its a niche its a pretty dam huge niche.
There are conventional standards but that’s among media representation. The media pushes different standards that drastically shift
Do you have proof thats its media influencing people or is it the media reflecting what society views as conventionally attractive? We cannot say one way or the way or the other. Theres also evolutionary support that conventional beauty traits are associated with increased fertility and chances of reproduction. If we refer back to ancient greece, beauty standards have been around much longer than global media
Rarely do they actually match up with the majority of people though
You made that up
My wife isn’t the only woman I’ve ever known. I’m a normie who’s known and know plenty of people and to be frank I’m just the messenger and explaining things I’ve learned from them paired with insight from my observations as a normie male.
Hard to believe since ypu spend so much time on here. Love how you use the incel language more than they do though. Its just like your one of them. Also you could be a normie bit you are farrrrr from being a normal person.
Did you seriously quote yourself?
And it makes so much sense.
“This fits my own preconcIeved biases and therefore im not going to question it”
I never said it was uncommon nor did I say it didn’t exist
You literally said that it’s as common as finding guys who are into girls poop....
For girls to be into literal body builders. That is a very niche thing.
The premise here is always that someone has cracked the code and figured out the true eugenics standards for male attraction that all women agree with.
So you challenge this by saying the jesus body is the true standard for male attraction that all women agree with...
artists choose that body type is that it’s the most aesthetically pleasing.
Bad example.. Since most art of the crucifix comes from the renaissance im gonna give some other examples of that time period. Michaelangelos david. Adam and god on the roof of the sistine chapel. Vitruvian man. All these came from the same period of time and all depict muscular men who definitely did not have the jesus body. But you know artists wouldnt choose it because its not aesthetically pleasing.. By that token most classical art, from ancient greece show adonis like bodies.. But then again this is at least 500 years ago..
David is the Jesus body. And you know that Michaelangelo was gay right? He glorified the form he was into which is a similar thing to what the lms guys are doing. I. E. Confusing gay men for women.
Ripped guys are only seen in niche art like fantasy and super hero stuff.
No.... Get outside once in a while or hell watch a dam movie or a romance boom with fabio on the cover. If its a niche its a pretty dam huge niche.
Yea like I said. That's the media for you. It shifts according to a lot of factors and guides public opinion. They're pushing yoked out guys due to the military ibfiuence. No lie. That's why after 911 the standards changed so drastically. Even tmnt got all yoked out as did g I joe.
There are conventional standards but that’s among media representation. The media pushes different standards that drastically shift
Do you have proof thats its media influencing people or is it the media reflecting what society views as conventionally attractive? We cannot say one way or the way or the other. Theres also evolutionary support that conventional beauty traits are associated with increased fertility and chances of reproduction. If we refer back to ancient greece, beauty standards have been around much longer than global media
Rarely do they actually match up with the majority of people though
You made that up
Are you kidding me? How do you think it works? You think it's democratic? Take a mass com class and they'll break down how popularity works. It is a myth and it's freely admitted. No publishing house or studio has the patience to figure out what's actually going to be popular. It's already decided on before hand where the promotion dollars are going to go for the next cycle.
People confuse the books at the front of the big chain book store as there because they are popular but it's actually the other way around.
Even things like Neilsen ratings are known to be rigged. They even have a back up stat that deviates from the primary stat that you can choose use.
What people watch when they watch television is aurally just commercial blocks with content spliced in to keep viewers watching.
The 50 cents you pay for a news paper doesn't make your opinion matter anymore. That's simply a prestige charge meant to ensure that the demographic that you are selling to advertisers is one who is willing to pay 50 cents.
My wife isn’t the only woman I’ve ever known. I’m a normie who’s known and know plenty of people and to be frank I’m just the messenger and explaining things I’ve learned from them paired with insight from my observations as a normie male.
Hard to believe since ypu spend so much time on here. Love how you use the incel language more than they do though. Its just like your one of them. Also you could be a normie bit you are farrrrr from being a normal person.
Yea no one is really normal. That's the point. I spend as much time as anyone who uses reddit on a phone would.
Did you seriously quote yourself?
Yes because I was giving you an example of things that I've learned from interviewing lots of women.
And it makes so much sense.
“This fits my own preconcIeved biases and therefore im not going to question it”
For girls to be into literal body builders. That is a very niche thing.
Then maybe you should actually used defined terms that ecetyone understands. You use ripped, body builder and muscular all interchangably. Anyway attraction to body builders in not uncommon, especially when body building has a wide range of body types. So again be specifc.
David is the Jesus body. And you know that Michaelangelo was gay right? He glorified the form he was into which is a similar thing to what the lms guys are doing. I. E. Confusing gay men for women.
What jesus depiction are you using? David lookS nothing like the common depiction of jesus. If your going to use the jesus body as ideal then maybe you should again illudtrate what you mean. Oh ive noticed you havnt answered the hypocrisy where you substituting the “Incels” definition of standard male attractivness with youR own.
Okay im not really going to argue the point if michaelangelo is gay or not.. Its not really the point of this. But a quick glance on some university websites state that theres no clear evidence of homosexuality. the only evidence is some letters to some guy where it may have been construed as homoerotic but evidence points that it was more he wanted him a sort of surrogate son.
Im more interested in the fact that you say david is the Jesus body but then say michaelangelo glorified the form which is what youve been using the jesus body to argue against.. Is your arguement strategy just verbalising anything and everything that comes to your head with no matter to consistancy?
Yea like I said. That’s the media for you. It shifts according to a lot of factors and guides public opinion. They’re pushing yoked out guys due to the military ibfiuence. No lie. That’s why after 911 the standards changed so drastically. Even tmnt got all yoked out as did g I joe.
Youre stating opinion as fact. Do you have sources for what you say? But heres the thing, going back to Ancient greece. Yoked out guys have been ideal standards for years before widespread media. This may point to other factors like biologocial factors because they occured cross culturally and before global media.
Are you kidding me? How do you think it works? You think it’s democratic? Take a mass com class and they’ll break down how popularity works. It is a myth and it’s freely admitted. No publishing house or studio has the patience to figure out what’s actually going to be popular. It’s already decided on before hand where the promoti
Dude i dont think youve ever been to college/unviersity so dont pretend you know what happens in mass com. Normally i wouldnt comment on someones lack of education but if your going to just state opinions as fact then you need to be educated or an expert in the field.
Anyway im not going to argue this paragraph. Yoyre only stating opinion as fact again and honestly you write so messily i cant follow.
My opinion is that media is more reflective of what society wants. Not the other way around. Its easier to pander to what everyone wants then trying to brainwash people.
Yea no one is really normal. That’s the point. I spend as much time as anyone who uses reddit on a phone would.
No im not saying your not normal as in youre unique, im saying youre not normal as in youre just fucking weird. You spend almost all your time debating virgins on the internet. I have reddit on a phone. I spend my time interested in a lot of things reddit has to offer. Watches, ask reddit, earth porn. Alot of different things. Even then i spend less time on reddit as a whole then you spend on braincels alone. Its because i actually have a life outside of my phone.
The weirdest thing about you though is your borderline conspiracy bullshit. Dude i keep thinking that eventually you will post something along the lines of “WASPS put chemicals in vaccines and chemtrails to push low status men into the manosphere for some bullshit reason i cant think of at the moment because seriously this is stupid.” Relax man, theyre just normal people who joined together becaused of shared circumstances. Its not a fucking conspiracy.
Yes because I was giving you an example of things that I’ve learned from interviewing lots of women
BUt the image you used literally proves nothing. We literally have to take it at your word let alone that you even speak to women, which honestly is hard to believe. Also interviewing is a weird fucking word to use. Seriously do you talk about incels outside of reddit to? Fuck youre weird.
For girls to be into literal body builders. That is a very niche thing.
Then maybe you should actually used defined terms that ecetyone understands. You use ripped, body builder and muscular all interchangably. Anyway attraction to body builders in not uncommon, especially when body building has a wide range of body types. So again be specifc.
Naw. Honestly for some reason you just got your feelings hurt and are just trying to be difficult. Everyone knows what a literal body builder looks like.
David is the Jesus body. And you know that Michaelangelo was gay right? He glorified the form he was into which is a similar thing to what the lms guys are doing. I. E. Confusing gay men for women.
What jesus depiction are you using? David lookS nothing like the common depiction of jesus. If your going to use the jesus body as ideal then maybe you should again illudtrate what you mean. Oh ive noticed you havnt answered the hypocrisy where you substituting the “Incels” definition of standard male attractivness with youR own.
Also the term Jesus body is well known.
Okay im not really going to argue the point if michaelangelo is gay or not.. Its not really the point of this. But a quick glance on some university websites state that theres no clear evidence of homosexuality. the only evidence is some letters to some guy where it may have been construed as homoerotic but evidence points that it was more he wanted him a sort of surrogate son.
Im more interested in the fact that you say david is the Jesus body but then say michaelangelo glorified the form which is what youve been using the jesus body to argue against.. Is your arguement strategy just verbalising anything and everything that comes to your head with no matter to consistancy?
David = Jesus body. It just means tone but not big. Healthy average body type that anyone can attain without even needing a gym membership.
Yea like I said. That’s the media for you. It shifts according to a lot of factors and guides public opinion. They’re pushing yoked out guys due to the military ibfiuence. No lie. That’s why after 911 the standards changed so drastically. Even tmnt got all yoked out as did g I joe.
Youre stating opinion as fact. Do you have sources for what you say? But heres the thing, going back to Ancient greece. Yoked out guys have been ideal standards for years before widespread media. This may point to other factors like biologocial factors because they occured cross culturally and before global media.
How old are you? If you lived from before the oughts to after you would have seen the transition first hand. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of propaganda? Just look up DoD and Hollywood for a glimpse. I thought everyone learned of this in high-school even.
In war time the military always begins exerting heavier influence over the media. They even began styling military commercials after video game trailers.
Are you kidding me? How do you think it works? You think it’s democratic? Take a mass com class and they’ll break down how popularity works. It is a myth and it’s freely admitted. No publishing house or studio has the patience to figure out what’s actually going to be popular. It’s already decided on before hand where the promoti
Dude i dont think youve ever been to college/unviersity so dont pretend you know what happens in mass com. Normally i wouldnt comment on someones lack of education but if your going to just state opinions as fact then you need to be educated or an expert in the field.
I just laid it all out. What do you want to know? We even learned about literal sublimal advertising. One of the adds is that famous perfume bottle that looks like an E which was used with a garden of eden eve archetype holding the bottle isn't her fingers crossed to form an x, and the snake formed the S.
None of this stuff is even secret. It's just stuff that the general public doesn't look into and for some reason presumes doesn't exist.
What are you even doubting? That promotion = popularity? Is that really a surprise?
Anyway im not going to argue this paragraph. Yoyre only stating opinion as fact again and honestly you write so messily i cant follow.
My opinion is that media is more reflective of what society wants. Not the other way around. Its easier to pander to what everyone wants then trying to brainwash people.
Aww are you serious? It's rare to even find people as naive anymore. Practically everyone knows that the media manipulates perception.
Yea no one is really normal. That’s the point. I spend as much time as anyone who uses reddit on a phone would.
Meh not really. How much time do you think it takes to hammer out a response? I'm tag teaming dragon quest builders right now next to my wife.
No im not saying your not normal as in youre unique, im saying youre not normal as in youre just fucking weird.
Lol. Someone get his feelings hurt?
You spend almost all your time debating virgins on the internet. I have reddit on a phone. I spend my time interested in a lot of things reddit has to offer. Watches, ask reddit, earth porn. Alot of different things. Even then i spend less time on reddit as a whole then you spend on braincels alone. Its because i actually have a life outside of my phone.
You can just respond on your own schedule. I like planting seeds. There's a lot of stuff that needs to be covered and ideas have an easier time spreading now than ever.
The weirdest thing about you though is your borderline conspiracy bullshit. Dude i keep thinking that eventually you will post something along the lines of “WASPS put chemicals in vaccines and chemtrails to push low status men into the manosphere for some bullshit reason i cant think of at the moment because seriously this is stupid.” Relax man, theyre just normal people who joined together becaused of shared circumstances. Its not a fucking conspiracy.
Literally no one said that. And everything I've ever said is well documented and public record. I suspect you're just a bit jealous that I get plenty of upvotes saying things that you don't think a person should.
Yes because I was giving you an example of things that I’ve learned from interviewing lots of women
BUt the image you used literally proves nothing. We literally have to take it at your word let alone that you even speak to women, which honestly is hard to believe. Also interviewing is a weird fucking word to use. Seriously do you talk about incels outside of reddit to? Fuck youre weird.
The concept that women have diverse tastes and you should take the manosphere seriously isn't all that surprising. But it's useful to cover since it debunks myths that are harmful to everyone.
Naw. Honestly for some reason you just got your feelings hurt and are just trying to be difficult. Everyone knows what a literal body builder looks like.
Nope feelings arnt hurt. Not a body builder.
Also the term Jesus body is well known.
No it’s not
David = Jesus body. It just means tone but not big. Healthy average body type that anyone can attain without even needing a gym membership
Then maybe you should have said that. But anyway David’s body type is not average. Its fairly muscular. And this is from someone whose actually seen the statue in person. Jesus is definitly not muscular. Hes depicted as average build at best. Most depictions are clearly impoveished.
How old are you?
23 whats your point
Just look up DoD and Hollywood for a glimpse. I thought everyone learned of this in high-school even.
n war time the military always begins exerting heavier influence over the media. They even began styling military commercials after video game trailers
I know what propaganda is. But if you think modern media is propaganda then your just paranoid.
Also im Australian. I dont come from a country that spends trillions on its military. You know there are other countries other than the USA right?
I just laid it all out. What do you want to know? We even learned about literal sublimal advertising. One of the adds is that famous perfume bottle that looks like an E which was used with a garden of eden eve archetype holding the bottle isn’t her fingers crossed to form an x, and the snake formed the S.
None of this stuff is even secret. It’s just stuff that the general public doesn’t look into and for some reason presumes doesn’t exist.
What are you even doubting? That promotion = popularity? Is that really a surprise?
You laid out your own opinions. The typical ramblings of a big media conspiracy nut. Anyway it doesnt matter if your right about this. If youre right and women pick up these conventional beauty standards from the media..they still have them. But then you say that the majority of women dont share it.. So media is not a big influencer and you shoved that in there to waste time. Your arguements are clearly inconsistent.
Aww are you serious? It’s rare to even find people as naive anymore. Practically everyone knows that the media manipulates perception.
You going to share a source that isn’t a fucking reddit post? Again you just sound like big media conspiracy nut.
Not to mention that you said there’s conventional beauty standards set by the media, then said that women don’t share that view, then say that media manipulates perception... god you’re inconsistent.
Also not naive... does media manipulate perception. Sure but not as much as you think it does. Clearly by your own admission.
Lol. Someone get his feelings hurt?
Nope. Youre just weird.
Literally no one said that. And everything I’ve ever said is well documented and public record. I suspect you’re just a bit jealous that I get plenty of upvotes saying things that you don’t think a person should
Dude. I dont care about your internet points. That is the most pathetic come back ive heard. Smells of projection to be honest. But if we are playing that game i got gilded on a comment i made on IT so yeah whatever.
The concept that women have diverse tastes and you should take the manosphere seriously isn’t all that surprising.
Have diverse tastes but all love the jesus body apparantly based on the opinion of your wife. And again with refering back to your own work, you clearly never been to university.
Look Im just laying it all out. You clearly have not been around alot of women. Women do have alot of diverse tastes but there are themes, look at most movies. Do you think they make chris hemsworth take his clothes off to cater to men? Girls generally do like the conventionally attractive traits. Broad shoulders, defined muscles, tall, the square shaped face, chiseled jaw line, nice biceps and nice forearms, the 6 pack. Are there girls that dont like that or Have other tastes. Of course but you are clearly deluded if you dont think conventional traits arn’t a large portion of that. Its called convention for a reason. Theres also differences in the importance of attractivness to women in a relationship but most would still say that conventionallY attractive men are still attractive.
I know you are clearly a reactionary debater, you just want to say the opposite of whatever the incels are saying. But ignoring the sometimes harsh realities of the world around us is not helping anyone.
Anyway im done. Ive seen how yoy argue with people. You misdirect, write long essays that go all over the place, when youre not winning the arguement, you then start making assumptions about the person. I bet the next step is that youre going to call me a blackpiller because anyone Who has a differing opinion than you cant be anything but and it protects your precious ego. So predictable.
Have the last word. I know you get off on that shit.
To an extent. You can have an iq of 140 and still get beat up. After (about) 80 iq you get diminishing returns on the benefits of each iq point.
If Bruce Lee and Arnold Schwarzenegger got in a fight from a naive observer perspective one might think that Arnold is superior.
What a childish comparison. Arnold was a bodybuilder whose sole sporting aim is to look big and swole. Bruce Lee was a martial artist/performer. Arnold is 17 cm taller, stronger and heavier so (ironically) it would be a close fight. Not that it matters, it's an awful comparison anyway.
A better example would be a lightweight boxer (high iq) vs heavy weight boxer (low iq). As a boxer myself (a shit one albeit ), iq doesn't come into it. Weight and experience does. Weight is dictated by height, muscle, fat, bone density (genetics). Experience has no correlation with iq past mental retardation level. Side note: boxing is hard cardio- that's why boxers don't have much muscle- endurance is more important. If you doubt the importance of height in boxing- google weight classes and reach stats.
So genetics to be 'bigger' (taller, wider, stronger) gives you an advantage in quick fights.
Intelligence (beyond mental retardation level) has no effect in fights.
American body building emphasizes size whereas Russian body building emphasizes efficiency.
Completely wrong. Bodybuilding aims to make your muscles as big as possible while minimising fat, water and sodium. Russian bodybuilding places emphasis size and definition- as does american bodybuilding.
You are thinking of strength training and 'strength skill'. This was a state program by the USSR- IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BODYBUILDING.
The reason why Russians developed this style specifically is because as a soldier it is advantageous to be strong while still smaller and more nimble.
You sound like a 10 year old- playing with action man. No they chose strength over size because they cared about olympic titles not mr Olympia.
Strength in competition movements is influenced by a variety of factors: body part sizes, slow twitch fibres, testesterone levels, age ...
But generally the strongest men are tall with wide frames. Like eddie hall at 1.91m and 23 stone.
Even war comes down to the smarter tribe wins.
War isn't a matter of skill points. The more populous tribe wins. A tribe with bigger men would have an advantage in unarmed combat. Technology negates the advantage of size. But our evolutionary instincts remain... Hence why large men are seen as better for safety and therefore procreation.
If all civilization collapsed would people cling to a body builder type or a crocodile hunter type?
Survival isn't a chess game. In the 'stone age' the way to survive was common knowledge. Don't eat that berry, sneak up n that mammoth. Survival (and successful procreation) was mainly down to immunity, luck, signs of high t, height and frame, etc
To conclude:
When scientists say intelligence was a factor in human success they mean comparative intelligence to animals.
All factors being equal, being taller, stronger, and heavier give you an advantage in short bout fighting- the kind of fighting that took place when our base instincts were formed.
All factors being equal, a higher iq has no effect on your ability to fight.
All factors being equal, a higher iq has no effect on your ability to survive.
Youre burying your own point by demonstrating that skill is more important. You're tying to say that a average sized man and a larger man all else being equal is going to favor the larger man.
But in real life all things aren't equal and we have a guessing game. Men don't literally fight over women. What we have is average men put psyching larger men all the time and that's the factor that women are attracted to which is much deeper than looks.
I don't really care to get into the rest of it because it's irrelevant.
Of two men had the same exact training maybe the larger man might be more fit but that's countered by the fact that he's also less nimble which is why the Russian military school promotes fast twitch fibers over slow twitch fibers.
If we were to reign the topic back into what's relevant Bruce Lee would have the advantage over Arnold even at his prime based on what? Looks?
How would anyone knw that the smaller man is a competent fighter? It's not like he's gonna fight every second to prove it. People will still follow their instincts and assume the bigger, taller man is stronger.
It's proven that broad shoulders and high shoulder/hip ratioare one of the primary factors women subconsciously select for when choosing which guys are attractive based on photos. Both of these are largely genetic.
What women would tend to pick when forced to choose based on photos alone is something much different. And whatever the tendency is doesn't really matter since there is so much contradiction anyway.
There will always be those who carry the torch for eugenics who will try to "prove" that there is a perfect Aryan man. What they always rely on is laundering cultural influences through surveys.
If guys could land the same babes on tinder as irl tinder would have an active user base of much more than the 10 million including bots world wide it has.
I also it has nothing to do with race. women like jawlines, hunter yes, broad shoulder, facial harmony, narrow hips, v shape body, low hairline...
All these things makes one attractive.
Not really. Funny thing is the basis of that discovery is men analysing the type of men that are marketed toward men.
Women have much more sporadic tastes. Even things like symmetry aren't necessarily true. In fact among high fashion models symmetry is less of a priority than among lower tier target ad models which are supposed to be healthy average looking men who work as chameleons.
If it was as simple as what men say someone would have managed to figure out to make porn successful among women and male models would be as highly regarded as female models
Nope. Even if you were to say that there was a tendency we are living in our own cultural petri dish.
Again, of someone cracked the code and figured out what kind of men women were really all attracted to with as much uniformity as we have for men, someone would have figured out how to market porn to them and male models wouldn't be so much less highly regarded than their female counter parts.
So according to your theory if a gymcel should get more pussy than a chad who isn't working out, since gymcel is stronger and can beat him up. What the fuck???
Yes it helps but if you were a 0/10 it's not going to get you over the incel tier. If you were ugly enough to be incel but not by much and you are skinny then maybe going to the gym could get you were you need to be.
Basically going to the gym maximizes your genetic potential, your genes determine the ceiling of your looks. If that ceiling is still ugly then there's not a lot you can do.(maybe surgery)
People are attracted to genetic traits, which can be passed on to the next generation. Height. Frame. Facial structure. High testosterone. Full head of hair. Even penis size.
It's not about the strength, it's about the potential for strength. If Chad doesn't have big muscles it's just because he doesn't work out enough. If Gymcel is ugly or short is because his genes are like that and he's forever stuck like that.
Handsome, tall GymChad >>>>>>> Ugly, short Gymcel.
no, strength doesn't= 100% attractive, healthy and strong make someone attractive
big frame+muscle+height= strength (can protect)
symmetrical face+ hair+ Defined bone structure= healthy (makes good children)
so a gymcel may look strong, able to protect. But his face is fked. Meaning he will make unhealthy kids.
while chad looks healthy, also has a naturally wide frame+ good height. So he looks strong too without the muscle.
a young 20 something girl with dyed hair and full on SJW look runs it. same with the futurism page. i don't know how these fuckwits managed to get the top pages instead of some azn noob.. i'm guessing they had help somehow because it's too much of coincedence. these freaks are rare in general society yet everywhere in power on the internet
You... have no idea how evolution and natural selection actually work, do you? Neither does anyone in the comic, for that matter.
Look at fucking birds of paradise. PURE female selection. Males gather in huge leks and females exclusively mate with their favorite performer. No penises, so they can't do forced sex. The only makes who produce offspring are the ones with the most extreme manifestation of the trait - something that might also mean they're less big, less strong, and less likely to survive another year than other males. In some tropical birds, sexual selection is so extreme that females are also affected by aspects of the specialized male phenotype, and all of them suffer. Evolutionary "Fitness" has nothing to do with being bigger or stronger. it has everything to do with babies.
Humans are wildly care-dependent. Our children take more time and effort than anything but cetaceans to raise. There are, therefore, several very sucessful (and, as they haven't been selected out yet, equivalently fit) strategies in humans. One is love-em-and-leave-em. Not very many of these can exist in one population. If they father too many children with the trait, they're actually fucked, because there's nobody left to help out raising kiddos so the kiddos don't get raised. Another is males who assist in raising offspring. These benefit in two ways: first, because they spend much more time in physical proximity to their mate, they're much more likely to be the one to sire her children. Second, their kids do way better. End result: on one side of my family, there is a single offspring of a father who was hot but a sucky mate. On the other side, Mr. Nice Dad had eight kids, who each went on to have about five of their own. Mr. nice Dad wins the genetic lotto and mr. hot dad loses.
The issue with the whole "chad" meme is that the actual traits that cause reproductive success in humans are "beta."
You're assuming being a beta provider is a good thing and your example doesn't include casual sex. While children will have more success with a beta caring father, women still want to breed with Chad. That's why they're attracted to Chad features. If they can't lock down a Chad for breeding, then they will breed with a beta. On the other hand, casual sex has nothing to do with offspring, so women will never choose a beta over an alpha. Humans have sex for the enjoyment of it rather than reproducing more often than not.
My model absolutely mentions casual sex. Casual sex in humans almost never results in offspring. It actually takes a fair amount of effort to conceive, and when nutrition etc. was worse (i.e. when humans were actively evolving) this was an even stronger factor. Genes that get you casual sex but not offspring are not selected for.
This comic took a misunderstanding of biology and then turned it into an analogy about a misunderstanding of human psycology. it's wrong on pretty much every level. I'm trying to describe why the comparison between the two situations doesn't make any sense, not explain casual sex preferences.
Your post didn't debunk anything, you spewed a bunch of bullshit. Women want Chad and if they could they would all choose Chad. That's all that matters.
If by Chad you mean a guy that takes care of himself and is not overweight, sure. However,there's not many "alphas" that I liked. Then again, I knew I didn't care for casual sex. Trust me, if you assume that all women like the same things, then you're doing yourself a disservice. You'd be surprised how different women are, in terms of preferences.
No, Chad is the tall and attractive dude. If you think being a healthy weight and taking care of yourself is what makes a Chad attractive, you're delusional. It's about the face and height.
It's only not a debunk if you don't actually know a single fucking thing about evolutionary biology, pal. All you seem to know is incel dogma, so ofc something based on actual rigorously-qualified experimental science's results looks incomprehensible to you.
Your example is poor because it assumes reproductive success = happiness. In modern times reproductive success is actually harmful to the planet and the future of the human species, and certainly does not guarantee happiness. IncelTears will still upvote your comment because it is really long.
Your comment assumes women are attracted to reproductive success. Betas exist as a byproduct or having reproductive success due to your examples, not because women were attracted to those men. In modern times, reproductive success is harmful for planet earth and the future of the human species.
It's a basic tenant of evolutionary genomics that traits that cause a preference for a genetic trait in mates quickly become genetically linked to the trait itself. Sorry, forgot to mention that. A specific male's reproductive success in the moment is irrelevant.
You do know that beta males generally have other, additional things making life great other than the fact they're in a relationship, right? Most people whose lives involve tons of sex are emotionally unstable.
More, it is pleb shit for those who prefer to rely on opinions of old dudes who suck at biology, anthropology, psychology and history, and never proof their words, besides "it's obvious" or "it's science".
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1 Salvador66 2018-03-20
Numales are incels in denial whether they want to or not.
1 slothsenpai 2018-03-20
Numales aren't incels but rather they're not very sexually experienced beyond very few relationships with either landwhales or plain jane types who are closet sluts.
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-20
Hahaha, that "Korean pussy" bit brings it home.
1 HalalApple 2018-03-20
In the military all the failed normies ask to go to Japan and Korea because it's their only chance at getting laid. LOL. I'd even go but at least I don't pretend I'm good with women.
1 TropicalStormJim 2018-03-20
Because non-westernized asian women are willing to fuck even the ugliest white dudes?
1 Face-Hit-By-A-Lorry 2018-03-20
Yeah, it was a rhetorical question.
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
Humans are just clever animals. Our only purpose is to breed and survive in order to breed.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-20
i belive in god. i don't believe in this bullshit evolution.
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
I’m proof god isn’t real.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-20
You won’t be real in 100 years, but God still will be.
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
What is this faggotry? Pathetic coper.
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-20
Christians aren’t the ones supporting faggotry mate.
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
I’m not meaning being gay, I mean being a pathetic coper. God isn’t real and we all know it deep down. If you can’t accept the truth then leave, this isn’t the place for you.
Also if he was real he wouldn’t love 0/10 gentrash like me so why should I give a shit?
1 Idk12344482305 2018-03-20
I’m not going to start preaching. If you don’t believe in God, then that’s fine. No one is forcing you to.
1 trevmon 2018-03-20
would be best if it was banned and I didn't have to see you talking about it online and shit
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-20
so? are you telling me that a these deformed people, poor people, starving people, people who died unfairly will receive nothing?
while the rich chad lives a happy life with no suffering?
am a muslim and i believe that heaven is real.
evolution has a lot of unexplained things? you know. especially the human evolution
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
If I can decipher what you’re trying to say, yes. Most deformed, poor and starving people will lead horrible lives and die in misery while rich chad will live his entire life with no struggle.
Face it, god is the biggest cope in history. It’s OVER. WE AIN’T GOING TO HEAVEN NOR HELL.
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-20
XD well, we will find out when we die.
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
Hopefully I find out soon then.
1 trevmon 2018-03-20
religion is cope
1 Claymore-2000 2018-03-20
nope. cope is hope.
1 trevmon 2018-03-20
and you hope there's a heaven, there's not, live life like it matters. or not, up to you. but don't go hoping for paradise.
1 alfons100 2018-03-20
Well, we gave ourselves more purposes, compared to animals. Watch the edge.
1 birtopia 2018-03-20
Cope
1 Mr-Mercedes- 2018-03-20
IT spouts cuckology, an ideology less credible than most pseudo-sciences
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
The traits that make us strong are not actually brute strength. We're more like apes where it's a matter of how clever we are.
Think of how even in the Jane Goodall research the ape found the empty water drums and began using them to express his power.
That's how it works for humans. We find clever ways to express to others that we are superior.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-20
imagine being so deluded in your own bullshit you're actually saying strength isn't an attractive trait in men
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Normies come in all shapes and sizes and make it work. Meanwhile incels obsess over guys with big muscles.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-20
Body builders are not natural, women often comment they don't like them because they look alien.
Straight women however universally prefer stronger men, this is why "lift" is advice that people (including women) give here constantly. Strength is the second most important desirable trait after face. If what you were saying was true, being a nerd wouldn't be associated with being low-social status. Women would be flocking over the four eyed "point-dexter" rather than Chad the football quarter back.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Lol yea just like "normies" always say to shower.
When people say hit the gym it's because all the pictures of "ugly" guys that incels find are Rencel or Stimpycel.
It means be fit, it doesn't mean become a literal body builder.
Geek chic is a thing in real life. The media is going to hype of athletes though obviously because sports is such an important industry.
If you're talking about an out of shape geek the of course that's an issue.
Incels have this habit of showing the opposite extreme as of it proves something about the other extreme.
A guy who looks like this http://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/images/2012/01/b702/11.jpg
Will be as limited in appeal as an out of shape person. Average is king.
1 FEDORA_GOD 2018-03-20
Having a six pack isn't average or even fucking normal for humans. Yet a man with a six pack is fucking universally seen as more attractive than the average male body.
Are you trolling or what?
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
It's really not. A slight 6 pack is.
Whst actually works way better for women is if you are actually stronger than you look. Women love surprises.
They would much rather someone who looks average but is actually stronger than someone who is bulkier.
1 justthatguy4 2018-03-20
A good looking guy that looks strong but isn't is going to have a lot more success than a strong guy that is short/small framed. C'mon man no women cares about how much you can lift, they care about aesthetics. You think women knew how much george clooney could lift when he was the main sex idol? What about young brad pitt?
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
We're getting off topic. This is only about strength and the claim that is animals prize strength humans must too.
1 justthatguy4 2018-03-20
That's not the claim. It's not that humans "must" it's that they do(clearly). Also humans being the exception is not the default position and I would like an explanation as to why us being moren intelligent than animals would suddenly remove adapation in our brains that were before the brain had devloped this capacity for intelligence instead of just adding unto it.(the way the brain is structured it is clear evolution tends to add new specialized regions over the older,more associated with base inctincts parts of the brain.
I'd refine and say it's not strength itself that is prized, it's the certain traits in a persons look that has been associated with strength that women are subconsciously attracted too.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Because never have we shared the same mating habits as other animals. If we did we would have never surpassed them.
Okay fine, but you still can't say it's just raw strength or size. Cunning and skill are obviously huge factors that humans excel at.
And you can't pretend like there was a time before that is somehow representstive of how we "really" are. That's the same type of deceptive spin as claiming that we used to be in a magical garden, and a snake told our great ancestral grand mother to sin
1 MrFairInHeight_ 2018-03-20
Look I’m a normal guy. I’ve been with plenty of women and I’ve been friends with a lot more.
Honestly you generalise just as much as the black pill. There are many women who choose the jacked guys, it’s a common thing people find attractive, hell ive dated one whom all of her previous partners were all jacked including one ex partner who was a wrestler (the fake one). You pretending that it’s not a common attractive trait is not helping anyone.
Also the Jesus body? What the hell? Jesus was poor, impoverished and probably emaciated. His body would be extremely unhealthy looking. If your talking about the artistic representations of the crucifix, then the way he looks will look different depending on the time period and their reflective views. Oh and if your talking about his depiction as chest out and stomach in, thats because of the extremely uncomfortable position that crucifixtion puts you in. It’s basically equivalent of sucking in your gut. Except in this case that position actually kills you.
Oh and there was a study that showed that women prefer strength in males. You know an actual scientific study.
Women vary widely in their tastes but you have to be really trying to bullshit people when you say there arnt commonalities. Women do like strong guys and have the looks that reflect that.
Honestly I think you just take the opinion of your wife and think that relates to every single woman on the planet. Your wife is NOT every woman.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
I never said it was uncommon or did I say it didn't exist. The premise here is always that someone has cracked the code and figured out the true eugenics standards for male attraction that all women agree with. The ones who disagree are lying etc.
You know what I mean. The reason why artists choose that body type is that it's the most aesthetically pleasing.
Ripped guys are only seen in niche art like fantasy and super hero stuff.
There are conventional standards but that's among media representation. The media pushes different standards that drastically shift. Rarely do they actually match up with the majority of people though. It's similar to how politicians are promoted.
My wife isn't the only woman I've ever known. I'm a normie who's known and know plenty of people and to be frank I'm just the messenger and explaining things I've learned from them paired with insight from my observations as a normie male.
1 MrFairInHeight_ 2018-03-20
You literally said that it’s as common as finding guys who are into girls poop....
So you challenge this by saying the jesus body is the true standard for male attraction that all women agree with...
Bad example.. Since most art of the crucifix comes from the renaissance im gonna give some other examples of that time period. Michaelangelos david. Adam and god on the roof of the sistine chapel. Vitruvian man. All these came from the same period of time and all depict muscular men who definitely did not have the jesus body. But you know artists wouldnt choose it because its not aesthetically pleasing.. By that token most classical art, from ancient greece show adonis like bodies.. But then again this is at least 500 years ago..
No.... Get outside once in a while or hell watch a dam movie or a romance boom with fabio on the cover. If its a niche its a pretty dam huge niche.
Do you have proof thats its media influencing people or is it the media reflecting what society views as conventionally attractive? We cannot say one way or the way or the other. Theres also evolutionary support that conventional beauty traits are associated with increased fertility and chances of reproduction. If we refer back to ancient greece, beauty standards have been around much longer than global media
You made that up
Hard to believe since ypu spend so much time on here. Love how you use the incel language more than they do though. Its just like your one of them. Also you could be a normie bit you are farrrrr from being a normal person.
Did you seriously quote yourself?
“This fits my own preconcIeved biases and therefore im not going to question it”
FTFY
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
For girls to be into literal body builders. That is a very niche thing.
David is the Jesus body. And you know that Michaelangelo was gay right? He glorified the form he was into which is a similar thing to what the lms guys are doing. I. E. Confusing gay men for women.
Yea like I said. That's the media for you. It shifts according to a lot of factors and guides public opinion. They're pushing yoked out guys due to the military ibfiuence. No lie. That's why after 911 the standards changed so drastically. Even tmnt got all yoked out as did g I joe.
Are you kidding me? How do you think it works? You think it's democratic? Take a mass com class and they'll break down how popularity works. It is a myth and it's freely admitted. No publishing house or studio has the patience to figure out what's actually going to be popular. It's already decided on before hand where the promotion dollars are going to go for the next cycle.
People confuse the books at the front of the big chain book store as there because they are popular but it's actually the other way around.
Even things like Neilsen ratings are known to be rigged. They even have a back up stat that deviates from the primary stat that you can choose use.
What people watch when they watch television is aurally just commercial blocks with content spliced in to keep viewers watching.
The 50 cents you pay for a news paper doesn't make your opinion matter anymore. That's simply a prestige charge meant to ensure that the demographic that you are selling to advertisers is one who is willing to pay 50 cents.
Yea no one is really normal. That's the point. I spend as much time as anyone who uses reddit on a phone would.
Yes because I was giving you an example of things that I've learned from interviewing lots of women.
Okay buddy.
1 MrFairInHeight_ 2018-03-20
Then maybe you should actually used defined terms that ecetyone understands. You use ripped, body builder and muscular all interchangably. Anyway attraction to body builders in not uncommon, especially when body building has a wide range of body types. So again be specifc.
What jesus depiction are you using? David lookS nothing like the common depiction of jesus. If your going to use the jesus body as ideal then maybe you should again illudtrate what you mean. Oh ive noticed you havnt answered the hypocrisy where you substituting the “Incels” definition of standard male attractivness with youR own.
Okay im not really going to argue the point if michaelangelo is gay or not.. Its not really the point of this. But a quick glance on some university websites state that theres no clear evidence of homosexuality. the only evidence is some letters to some guy where it may have been construed as homoerotic but evidence points that it was more he wanted him a sort of surrogate son.
Im more interested in the fact that you say david is the Jesus body but then say michaelangelo glorified the form which is what youve been using the jesus body to argue against.. Is your arguement strategy just verbalising anything and everything that comes to your head with no matter to consistancy?
Youre stating opinion as fact. Do you have sources for what you say? But heres the thing, going back to Ancient greece. Yoked out guys have been ideal standards for years before widespread media. This may point to other factors like biologocial factors because they occured cross culturally and before global media.
Dude i dont think youve ever been to college/unviersity so dont pretend you know what happens in mass com. Normally i wouldnt comment on someones lack of education but if your going to just state opinions as fact then you need to be educated or an expert in the field.
Anyway im not going to argue this paragraph. Yoyre only stating opinion as fact again and honestly you write so messily i cant follow.
My opinion is that media is more reflective of what society wants. Not the other way around. Its easier to pander to what everyone wants then trying to brainwash people.
No im not saying your not normal as in youre unique, im saying youre not normal as in youre just fucking weird. You spend almost all your time debating virgins on the internet. I have reddit on a phone. I spend my time interested in a lot of things reddit has to offer. Watches, ask reddit, earth porn. Alot of different things. Even then i spend less time on reddit as a whole then you spend on braincels alone. Its because i actually have a life outside of my phone.
The weirdest thing about you though is your borderline conspiracy bullshit. Dude i keep thinking that eventually you will post something along the lines of “WASPS put chemicals in vaccines and chemtrails to push low status men into the manosphere for some bullshit reason i cant think of at the moment because seriously this is stupid.” Relax man, theyre just normal people who joined together becaused of shared circumstances. Its not a fucking conspiracy.
BUt the image you used literally proves nothing. We literally have to take it at your word let alone that you even speak to women, which honestly is hard to believe. Also interviewing is a weird fucking word to use. Seriously do you talk about incels outside of reddit to? Fuck youre weird.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Naw. Honestly for some reason you just got your feelings hurt and are just trying to be difficult. Everyone knows what a literal body builder looks like.
Also the term Jesus body is well known.
David = Jesus body. It just means tone but not big. Healthy average body type that anyone can attain without even needing a gym membership.
How old are you? If you lived from before the oughts to after you would have seen the transition first hand. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of propaganda? Just look up DoD and Hollywood for a glimpse. I thought everyone learned of this in high-school even.
In war time the military always begins exerting heavier influence over the media. They even began styling military commercials after video game trailers.
I just laid it all out. What do you want to know? We even learned about literal sublimal advertising. One of the adds is that famous perfume bottle that looks like an E which was used with a garden of eden eve archetype holding the bottle isn't her fingers crossed to form an x, and the snake formed the S.
None of this stuff is even secret. It's just stuff that the general public doesn't look into and for some reason presumes doesn't exist.
What are you even doubting? That promotion = popularity? Is that really a surprise?
Aww are you serious? It's rare to even find people as naive anymore. Practically everyone knows that the media manipulates perception.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/7wldi9/in_case_you_didnt_know_that_chad_is_artificial
It's been happening for a hundred years.
Meh not really. How much time do you think it takes to hammer out a response? I'm tag teaming dragon quest builders right now next to my wife.
Lol. Someone get his feelings hurt?
Reddit is a passive activity.
https://imgur.com/xLrOKR5
You can just respond on your own schedule. I like planting seeds. There's a lot of stuff that needs to be covered and ideas have an easier time spreading now than ever.
Literally no one said that. And everything I've ever said is well documented and public record. I suspect you're just a bit jealous that I get plenty of upvotes saying things that you don't think a person should.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/81klxr/ok_cupid_studies_proving_how_women_have_much_more/dv3yfp1
This is cross posted from it and it covers how easy it is to spin something stupid that would otherwise just represent what we all already know
1 MrFairInHeight_ 2018-03-20
Nope feelings arnt hurt. Not a body builder.
No it’s not
Then maybe you should have said that. But anyway David’s body type is not average. Its fairly muscular. And this is from someone whose actually seen the statue in person. Jesus is definitly not muscular. Hes depicted as average build at best. Most depictions are clearly impoveished.
23 whats your point
I know what propaganda is. But if you think modern media is propaganda then your just paranoid.
Also im Australian. I dont come from a country that spends trillions on its military. You know there are other countries other than the USA right?
You laid out your own opinions. The typical ramblings of a big media conspiracy nut. Anyway it doesnt matter if your right about this. If youre right and women pick up these conventional beauty standards from the media..they still have them. But then you say that the majority of women dont share it.. So media is not a big influencer and you shoved that in there to waste time. Your arguements are clearly inconsistent.
You going to share a source that isn’t a fucking reddit post? Again you just sound like big media conspiracy nut.
Not to mention that you said there’s conventional beauty standards set by the media, then said that women don’t share that view, then say that media manipulates perception... god you’re inconsistent.
Also not naive... does media manipulate perception. Sure but not as much as you think it does. Clearly by your own admission.
Nope. Youre just weird.
Dude. I dont care about your internet points. That is the most pathetic come back ive heard. Smells of projection to be honest. But if we are playing that game i got gilded on a comment i made on IT so yeah whatever.
Have diverse tastes but all love the jesus body apparantly based on the opinion of your wife. And again with refering back to your own work, you clearly never been to university.
Look Im just laying it all out. You clearly have not been around alot of women. Women do have alot of diverse tastes but there are themes, look at most movies. Do you think they make chris hemsworth take his clothes off to cater to men? Girls generally do like the conventionally attractive traits. Broad shoulders, defined muscles, tall, the square shaped face, chiseled jaw line, nice biceps and nice forearms, the 6 pack. Are there girls that dont like that or Have other tastes. Of course but you are clearly deluded if you dont think conventional traits arn’t a large portion of that. Its called convention for a reason. Theres also differences in the importance of attractivness to women in a relationship but most would still say that conventionallY attractive men are still attractive.
I know you are clearly a reactionary debater, you just want to say the opposite of whatever the incels are saying. But ignoring the sometimes harsh realities of the world around us is not helping anyone.
Anyway im done. Ive seen how yoy argue with people. You misdirect, write long essays that go all over the place, when youre not winning the arguement, you then start making assumptions about the person. I bet the next step is that youre going to call me a blackpiller because anyone Who has a differing opinion than you cant be anything but and it protects your precious ego. So predictable.
Have the last word. I know you get off on that shit.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Word
1 ClintonShockTrooper 2018-03-20
Cope, it's all about the face.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Adam driver
1 BarryGoldwater3 2018-03-20
To an extent. You can have an iq of 140 and still get beat up. After (about) 80 iq you get diminishing returns on the benefits of each iq point.
What a childish comparison. Arnold was a bodybuilder whose sole sporting aim is to look big and swole. Bruce Lee was a martial artist/performer. Arnold is 17 cm taller, stronger and heavier so (ironically) it would be a close fight. Not that it matters, it's an awful comparison anyway.
A better example would be a lightweight boxer (high iq) vs heavy weight boxer (low iq). As a boxer myself (a shit one albeit ), iq doesn't come into it. Weight and experience does. Weight is dictated by height, muscle, fat, bone density (genetics). Experience has no correlation with iq past mental retardation level. Side note: boxing is hard cardio- that's why boxers don't have much muscle- endurance is more important. If you doubt the importance of height in boxing- google weight classes and reach stats.
So genetics to be 'bigger' (taller, wider, stronger) gives you an advantage in quick fights.
Intelligence (beyond mental retardation level) has no effect in fights.
Completely wrong. Bodybuilding aims to make your muscles as big as possible while minimising fat, water and sodium. Russian bodybuilding places emphasis size and definition- as does american bodybuilding.
You are thinking of strength training and 'strength skill'. This was a state program by the USSR- IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BODYBUILDING.
You sound like a 10 year old- playing with action man. No they chose strength over size because they cared about olympic titles not mr Olympia.
Strength in competition movements is influenced by a variety of factors: body part sizes, slow twitch fibres, testesterone levels, age ...
But generally the strongest men are tall with wide frames. Like eddie hall at 1.91m and 23 stone.
War isn't a matter of skill points. The more populous tribe wins. A tribe with bigger men would have an advantage in unarmed combat. Technology negates the advantage of size. But our evolutionary instincts remain... Hence why large men are seen as better for safety and therefore procreation.
Survival isn't a chess game. In the 'stone age' the way to survive was common knowledge. Don't eat that berry, sneak up n that mammoth. Survival (and successful procreation) was mainly down to immunity, luck, signs of high t, height and frame, etc
To conclude:
When scientists say intelligence was a factor in human success they mean comparative intelligence to animals.
All factors being equal, being taller, stronger, and heavier give you an advantage in short bout fighting- the kind of fighting that took place when our base instincts were formed.
All factors being equal, a higher iq has no effect on your ability to fight.
All factors being equal, a higher iq has no effect on your ability to survive.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Youre burying your own point by demonstrating that skill is more important. You're tying to say that a average sized man and a larger man all else being equal is going to favor the larger man.
But in real life all things aren't equal and we have a guessing game. Men don't literally fight over women. What we have is average men put psyching larger men all the time and that's the factor that women are attracted to which is much deeper than looks.
I don't really care to get into the rest of it because it's irrelevant.
Of two men had the same exact training maybe the larger man might be more fit but that's countered by the fact that he's also less nimble which is why the Russian military school promotes fast twitch fibers over slow twitch fibers.
If we were to reign the topic back into what's relevant Bruce Lee would have the advantage over Arnold even at his prime based on what? Looks?
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-20
How would anyone knw that the smaller man is a competent fighter? It's not like he's gonna fight every second to prove it. People will still follow their instincts and assume the bigger, taller man is stronger.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Maybe men do which is when are marketed a different representation of masculinity than women are.
https://imgur.com/ENxG2oD
The way that women would judge them is what people call swagger.
1 justthatguy4 2018-03-20
It's proven that broad shoulders and high shoulder/hip ratioare one of the primary factors women subconsciously select for when choosing which guys are attractive based on photos. Both of these are largely genetic.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
What women would tend to pick when forced to choose based on photos alone is something much different. And whatever the tendency is doesn't really matter since there is so much contradiction anyway.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/81kltc/ok_cupid_studies_proving_how_women_have_much_more
There will always be those who carry the torch for eugenics who will try to "prove" that there is a perfect Aryan man. What they always rely on is laundering cultural influences through surveys.
1 justthatguy4 2018-03-20
Prove it.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
If guys could land the same babes on tinder as irl tinder would have an active user base of much more than the 10 million including bots world wide it has.
1 justthatguy4 2018-03-20
I also it has nothing to do with race. women like jawlines, hunter yes, broad shoulder, facial harmony, narrow hips, v shape body, low hairline... All these things makes one attractive.
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Not really. Funny thing is the basis of that discovery is men analysing the type of men that are marketed toward men.
Women have much more sporadic tastes. Even things like symmetry aren't necessarily true. In fact among high fashion models symmetry is less of a priority than among lower tier target ad models which are supposed to be healthy average looking men who work as chameleons.
Women's tastes scatter all over the map.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/81kltc/ok_cupid_studies_proving_how_women_have_much_more
If it was as simple as what men say someone would have managed to figure out to make porn successful among women and male models would be as highly regarded as female models
1 not_good_looking 2018-03-20
So who wins? Bruce or Arnold?
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Are you serious? I'd put a bazillion on Bruce. I think anyone would. That guy was a living weapon
1 Eggman9 2018-03-20
Cope. A larger frame is universally more attractive than a smaller one.
(https://i.redd.it/0sockun1jfj01.jpg)
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Nope. Even if you were to say that there was a tendency we are living in our own cultural petri dish.
Again, of someone cracked the code and figured out what kind of men women were really all attracted to with as much uniformity as we have for men, someone would have figured out how to market porn to them and male models wouldn't be so much less highly regarded than their female counter parts.
1 ufo_abductee 2018-03-20
Bodybuilding is about building muscle in every country. I think you're talking about Olympic weightlifting when you say "Russian bodybuilding."
1 neomancr 2018-03-20
Let's stop splitting hairs. The point there is that even strength is something that is more than just how bulky you look.
1 ufo_abductee 2018-03-20
It's not splitting hairs, they're completely different things. But yeah, that's true.
1 6gpdgeu58 2018-03-20
This is not how this work at all.
1 D_Gandy 2018-03-20
Copey cope copeydy cope
1 6gpdgeu58 2018-03-20
Yeah, if that is the case then gymrats probaly slay, but they dont
1 Short_Incel_Throw 2018-03-20
Short unattractive gymrats don't slay.
Tall, attractive, naturally broad-shouldered men do.
1 DEPRESSION_IS_COOL 2018-03-20
This meme is brilliant! Incels are brilliant!
Long live the incels!
1 uninterestingkilljoy 2018-03-20
The guy is wrong because he's drawn ugly
1 Noxava 2018-03-20
So according to your theory if a gymcel should get more pussy than a chad who isn't working out, since gymcel is stronger and can beat him up. What the fuck???
1 Eggman9 2018-03-20
Nope. The gym does give you a larger frame or greater height.
1 Dinosaur_Chef 2018-03-20
It does make you objectively healthier and thus more desirable. That's also evo-psych at work.
1 justthatguy4 2018-03-20
Yes it helps but if you were a 0/10 it's not going to get you over the incel tier. If you were ugly enough to be incel but not by much and you are skinny then maybe going to the gym could get you were you need to be.
Basically going to the gym maximizes your genetic potential, your genes determine the ceiling of your looks. If that ceiling is still ugly then there's not a lot you can do.(maybe surgery)
1 EvilBananaManRD 2018-03-20
People are attracted to genetic traits, which can be passed on to the next generation. Height. Frame. Facial structure. High testosterone. Full head of hair. Even penis size.
It's not about the strength, it's about the potential for strength. If Chad doesn't have big muscles it's just because he doesn't work out enough. If Gymcel is ugly or short is because his genes are like that and he's forever stuck like that.
Handsome, tall GymChad >>>>>>> Ugly, short Gymcel.
1 Vulcanoz12 2018-03-20
no, strength doesn't= 100% attractive, healthy and strong make someone attractive
big frame+muscle+height= strength (can protect) symmetrical face+ hair+ Defined bone structure= healthy (makes good children)
so a gymcel may look strong, able to protect. But his face is fked. Meaning he will make unhealthy kids. while chad looks healthy, also has a naturally wide frame+ good height. So he looks strong too without the muscle.
1 not_good_looking 2018-03-20
That Facebook group is one of the most cucked and politically motivated groups I have ever seen in my life
1 Toolman890 2018-03-20
a young 20 something girl with dyed hair and full on SJW look runs it. same with the futurism page. i don't know how these fuckwits managed to get the top pages instead of some azn noob.. i'm guessing they had help somehow because it's too much of coincedence. these freaks are rare in general society yet everywhere in power on the internet
1 Mest666 2018-03-20
Frame is most important thing in life
1 GoodbyeYall333 2018-03-20
Nope, not even close. Height and face.
1 Mest666 2018-03-20
pic of unattractive guy with big frame?
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1 Mest666 2018-03-20
dont know if big frame or only steroids
1 Benevolentwanderer 2018-03-20
You... have no idea how evolution and natural selection actually work, do you? Neither does anyone in the comic, for that matter.
Look at fucking birds of paradise. PURE female selection. Males gather in huge leks and females exclusively mate with their favorite performer. No penises, so they can't do forced sex. The only makes who produce offspring are the ones with the most extreme manifestation of the trait - something that might also mean they're less big, less strong, and less likely to survive another year than other males. In some tropical birds, sexual selection is so extreme that females are also affected by aspects of the specialized male phenotype, and all of them suffer. Evolutionary "Fitness" has nothing to do with being bigger or stronger. it has everything to do with babies.
Humans are wildly care-dependent. Our children take more time and effort than anything but cetaceans to raise. There are, therefore, several very sucessful (and, as they haven't been selected out yet, equivalently fit) strategies in humans. One is love-em-and-leave-em. Not very many of these can exist in one population. If they father too many children with the trait, they're actually fucked, because there's nobody left to help out raising kiddos so the kiddos don't get raised. Another is males who assist in raising offspring. These benefit in two ways: first, because they spend much more time in physical proximity to their mate, they're much more likely to be the one to sire her children. Second, their kids do way better. End result: on one side of my family, there is a single offspring of a father who was hot but a sucky mate. On the other side, Mr. Nice Dad had eight kids, who each went on to have about five of their own. Mr. nice Dad wins the genetic lotto and mr. hot dad loses.
The issue with the whole "chad" meme is that the actual traits that cause reproductive success in humans are "beta."
1 GoodbyeYall333 2018-03-20
You're assuming being a beta provider is a good thing and your example doesn't include casual sex. While children will have more success with a beta caring father, women still want to breed with Chad. That's why they're attracted to Chad features. If they can't lock down a Chad for breeding, then they will breed with a beta. On the other hand, casual sex has nothing to do with offspring, so women will never choose a beta over an alpha. Humans have sex for the enjoyment of it rather than reproducing more often than not.
1 Benevolentwanderer 2018-03-20
My model absolutely mentions casual sex. Casual sex in humans almost never results in offspring. It actually takes a fair amount of effort to conceive, and when nutrition etc. was worse (i.e. when humans were actively evolving) this was an even stronger factor. Genes that get you casual sex but not offspring are not selected for.
This comic took a misunderstanding of biology and then turned it into an analogy about a misunderstanding of human psycology. it's wrong on pretty much every level. I'm trying to describe why the comparison between the two situations doesn't make any sense, not explain casual sex preferences.
1 GoodbyeYall333 2018-03-20
Your post didn't debunk anything, you spewed a bunch of bullshit. Women want Chad and if they could they would all choose Chad. That's all that matters.
1 The_Doom_Doctor 2018-03-20
If by Chad you mean a guy that takes care of himself and is not overweight, sure. However,there's not many "alphas" that I liked. Then again, I knew I didn't care for casual sex. Trust me, if you assume that all women like the same things, then you're doing yourself a disservice. You'd be surprised how different women are, in terms of preferences.
1 GoodbyeYall333 2018-03-20
No, Chad is the tall and attractive dude. If you think being a healthy weight and taking care of yourself is what makes a Chad attractive, you're delusional. It's about the face and height.
1 Benevolentwanderer 2018-03-20
It's only not a debunk if you don't actually know a single fucking thing about evolutionary biology, pal. All you seem to know is incel dogma, so ofc something based on actual rigorously-qualified experimental science's results looks incomprehensible to you.
1 rileymils 2018-03-20
Having a shit life for 30 years and then having kids = happiness?
1 rileymils 2018-03-20
Your example is poor because it assumes reproductive success = happiness. In modern times reproductive success is actually harmful to the planet and the future of the human species, and certainly does not guarantee happiness. IncelTears will still upvote your comment because it is really long.
1 rileymils 2018-03-20
Your comment assumes women are attracted to reproductive success. Betas exist as a byproduct or having reproductive success due to your examples, not because women were attracted to those men. In modern times, reproductive success is harmful for planet earth and the future of the human species.
1 Benevolentwanderer 2018-03-20
It's a basic tenant of evolutionary genomics that traits that cause a preference for a genetic trait in mates quickly become genetically linked to the trait itself. Sorry, forgot to mention that. A specific male's reproductive success in the moment is irrelevant.
You do know that beta males generally have other, additional things making life great other than the fact they're in a relationship, right? Most people whose lives involve tons of sex are emotionally unstable.
1 not_good_looking 2018-03-20
Let me translate it for the low IQ IT normies here: women are attracted to looks. Looks is evolutionary biology.
1 derivur 2018-03-20
The cartoon guy in glasses mogs me. Hell the Incel cartoon guy mogs me.
1 Somik321 2018-03-20
Because "human ethology", or "evo-psych" is not science.
1 Somik321 2018-03-20
More, it is pleb shit for those who prefer to rely on opinions of old dudes who suck at biology, anthropology, psychology and history, and never proof their words, besides "it's obvious" or "it's science".
1 sipuliina 2018-03-20
Could it be because we have bigger brains and don't rely completely on our instincts like animals?
1 xtsv 2018-03-20
We are animals and we do rely on our instincts though.
1 JackhusChanhus 2018-03-20
To a lesser extent
1 howcanyousleepatnite 2018-03-20
The little elk is a loser and he doesn't get to participate in Elk Society. Shut the fuk up losers.
1 JackhusChanhus 2018-03-20
Kinda forgetting the free will that we have and they don’t
1 Bumbling-failure 2018-03-20
FTFY
1 JackhusChanhus 2018-03-20
Same idea Except we can mentally choose to reject all that
A doe can’t
1 maghaweer 2018-03-20
implying you can control attraction
1 JackhusChanhus 2018-03-20
You can control how much weight you give attraction
1 DukeInterior 2018-03-20
Its almost as if what people find attractive is entirely subjective rather than defined by objective rules applicable to lesser evolved animals.
1 finnanut27 2018-03-20
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is the biggest fallacy ugly people tell themselves in the hopes that they too can be beautiful.